outlaw

[vivid vessel]

why does that matter

[frail veldt]

we do 16% less damage to that target for 10s

lol

[vivid vessel]

i gain 13% st in m+ build

why do i only gain 4% prio

[frail veldt]

wouldnt you gain 0%?

[vivid vessel]

what

[frail veldt]

cuz your aoe also went u p

im confused

[keen belfry]

mewo fried rn

[vivid vessel]

im talking raw numbers

[frail veldt]

oh sure

[random stirrup]

prio damage has nothing to do with the amount of aoe u do

[glass mortar]

hes measuring prio as ST hes doing in aoe build

[fossil lintel]

No, he's comparing the raw number

[frail veldt]

then yeah

[quiet ore]

Presumably split KS damage

[vivid vessel]

wtf are you guys talking about

[frail veldt]

I mean prio as in the ratio of your st to your aoe

[glass mortar]

not as additional damage compared to overall aoe

[vivid vessel]

no

[frail veldt]

ofc we gain prio in absolute value

cuz we got buffed

[vivid vessel]

thats a useless number why would i look at that

[frail veldt]

duh

[keen belfry]

ks do no dmg

[glass mortar]

hes asking why

his prio only went up 4%

not 10% or something

[mystic berry]

btw, will we insta cancel ks?

[glass mortar]

when we got a 13% buff

[vivid vessel]

but im saying we only go up by4 while we gain 13% st

[clever river]

1 target more dps.....by default prio is up

[fossil lintel]

He's comparing the raw number he does to the main target on an aoe sim

[cinder relic]

But.... How.... Ks.... Bad prio.....

[frail veldt]

oh weird

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-orangutan-gif-22008155

[frail veldt]

is that cuz trickster

[glass mortar]

KS is probably part of it

but thats alot of value

[frail veldt]

just does less prio

[thick copper]

u mean tomorrow? 13% on st?

[vivid vessel]

but ks is low damage now

its 7% of your st

[fossil lintel]

We know KS is shit prio but 9%?

[frail veldt]

I mean youre comparing fategbound right?

to trickster

[vivid vessel]

and you dont just lose all of it in aoe

[frail veldt]

I mean

[glass mortar]

zac shuldnt u be comparing the prio of trickster to the prio of trickster before the change

[quiet ore]

Main gauche procs gets spread around more targets, KS gets split, you have to spend more energy on BF which is even damage and not prio

[vivid vessel]

no

[keen belfry]

i mean it literally makes no sense that our ST went up that much and prio didnt, like logically makes no sense

[glass mortar]

y

[keen belfry]

maybe sim thing?

[fossil lintel]

ST of trickster is 13% ahead of st of fatebound right now

[frail veldt]

in 8 targets KS does 1/8 damage to your prio

so you literally lose 7/8 of 7%

[gaunt phoenix]

too much yap

[vivid vessel]

bro it doesnt it also cleaves on main target and shit

[frail veldt]

true

[vivid vessel]

you dont just lose 7% st in aoe

[frail veldt]

you lose a lot

[keen belfry]

fix it

[vivid vessel]

you dont lose all ks damage

[quiet ore]

Yeah, but at bf %

[vivid vessel]

in aoe

bro

[frail veldt]

so 7/8 of the time it hits 35% damage

[keen belfry]

!mute mewo

[vivid vessel]

ok guys look

[frail veldt]

or whatever our BF is

[vivid vessel]

you are all talking nonsense

[frail veldt]

are you asking or telling zac. You say our prio went down and were just throwing out reasons

what do you want from us

if you know the answer share it with the class

[random stirrup]

@vivid vessel do you think bf isn't even a prio gain anymore maybe

because surprising strikes crits

[vivid vessel]

im asking for a logical reason

[random stirrup]

from builders

like you're casting less ps and ss

[keen belfry]

https://klipy.com/gifs/doo-doo-fortnite

[random stirrup]

on the main guy

[fossil lintel]

Can you link the sims?

[keen belfry]

i dont think there is one

[vivid vessel]

look ryldd gave one of the first maybe valid reason

and he doesnt even play outlaw

arent you guys ashamed

[random stirrup]

[keen belfry]

wait ryldd is genuinely goated

[jolly geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cat-cat-vro-cat-gif-17161343143756375842

[keen belfry]

we cast less ps and ps fucks

[frail veldt]

true

great answer ryldd

[keen belfry]

how does rylld have any clue?

[quiet ore]

Less ps, more bf

bf even cleave, ps prio

[keen belfry]

and ps fucks in trickster

[frail veldt]

dont make me choose

yeah ps fucks

[keen belfry]

legit wil be #2 in st

[frail veldt]

legit

[waxen scarab]

we back

[frail veldt]

SO BACK

[random stirrup]

you are noob idk

[jovial dome]

Never left guys

[fair ice]

I hope that number changes to -13%

[junior glacier]

Rogues aren’t allowed to have fun we’ll see a nerf next week

[keen belfry]

u mean it?

[mild vigil]

Yeag

[random stirrup]

no..

[keen belfry]

ty

ryldd i found a brewamster tank

who plays rogue

no is his name or soemthing

[random stirrup]

is it poah

[quiet ore]

GUYS you're all forgetting the thing way more important than the damage number tuning: WE HAVE AOE BLIND BACK

[frail veldt]

eh

[lucid sparrow]

@gaunt phoenix @vivid vessel if u get snd in bubble, how do u open on the pack, just slam adr into bte without bf? or do u overcap cp with bf first

[frail veldt]

meters

all that matters

[jolly geyser]

Ryldd is shepard, so you never know what he is saying

[keen belfry]

aoe blind back is massive

[frail veldt]

bf in bubble

[gaunt phoenix]

just bf

[keen belfry]

i no longer have to tab target or jump kidney the leech mobs

[random stirrup]

its becauseI betray my spec perma to go reroll

gg

[inner sky]

What you guys planning to send Rolls on, any thoughts?

[glass mortar]

unpopular because ur reminding us that they had the audacity to remove it to begin with

[quiet ore]

And, being trickster, we can even take lower blind CD? Beautiful

[glass mortar]

whatever dev that was i hope their coffee spilled on their shirt and stained it that day

[indigo token]

even though outlaw got buffed

[frail veldt]

I refuse to applaud blizzard for giving back what they never should have taken

[indigo token]

i dont wanna play it

[cinder haven]

What’s this buff that’s supposed to give us 13%?

[indigo token]

i dont wanna play fartlaw

[jolly geyser]

[frail veldt]

cloud cover

[keen belfry]

dont that compete with tricks...

[indigo token]

i dont enjoy cloud cover's type of gameplay

[inner sky]

Good chat, bye?

[quiet ore]

Yep

[glass mortar]

fartlaw rogue is here, its too late to avoid

[frail veldt]

check pins @cinder haven

[indigo token]

FARTLAW!!!!!

[glass mortar]

well not too late u can just stop playing the game that works

[fossil lintel]

Remove on a hotfix then announce 2 days later they are re-adding it on the patch 5 weeks later

[frail veldt]

we are fartlaw now

[vivid vessel]

@random stirrup wrong noob

or well

i guess it can still be correct

[glass mortar]

????

[vivid vessel]

or

[glass mortar]

6k dif

[vivid vessel]

no your number would go up

right

[glass mortar]

thats a few %

[vivid vessel]

if not pressing it on cd

[random stirrup]

how much is 6k diff

[glass mortar]

its probably multiple factors adding together

[vivid vessel]

your prio number would go up

[keen belfry]

ryldd wrong

LETS GO

WOOOOOOOOOOO

[quiet ore]

No because lower cp gain is lower cdr is lower adr is lower all target damage

[glass mortar]

6k is like 5% ish

lil less

im not doing real math here

its not real math hours

[keen belfry]

thank god ryldd was wrong

[desert tendon]

this dont bf on cd guys is so bad, you sim higher than him!

[keen belfry]

LETS GO!

[fossil lintel]

No no, that is comparing to the 9% lower prio already

[vivid vessel]

eh idk

[random stirrup]

i am noob now..

[frail veldt]

ryldd wrong

[vivid vessel]

whatever

[frail veldt]

hes a noob

like us

[fossil lintel]

So it's even worse prio

[vivid vessel]

prio didnt go up for whatever reason

idk

[desert tendon]

hey

[vivid vessel]

who tf knows

[desert tendon]

i m no noob mewo

[vivid vessel]

outlaw

good spec

[desert tendon]

i cant let you say that

[frail veldt]

whats BF percent as trickster

[lucid sparrow]

genuinely feels hoirrible to use bf at max cp

[glass mortar]

well i dont think ryldd is wrong tho or

[quiet ore]

I mean, it's probably right, but "bf less" ain't the way to do more prio damage in a cleave situation - it's just leaving efficiency on the table

[frail veldt]

if you BF less prio damage should go up though right

[gaunt phoenix]

oh well

[frail veldt]

or maybe not

[glass mortar]

obviously BFing on cd is going to not capture all of the buffs gain on ST because its spreading some of it to aoe

[desert tendon]

Weran going against everyone else 🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[inland meteor]

are u hyped for tomorrow 🙂

[gaunt phoenix]

you have to

[frail veldt]

nah I think youre right weran

[glass mortar]

its still a ST loss to not BF tho because BF is giving u higher everything

[frail veldt]

I dont think zacs sim proves ryldd wrong

[glass mortar]

higher uptime on AR

[vivid vessel]

im hyped to do damage

[glass mortar]

better buffs from better rolling

w/e

its part of ur engine

[quiet ore]

Proportionally to your overall maybe, but your overall will go down, so comparing across is bad

[timid idol]

did they actually buff devourer btw

[glass mortar]

not if the entire spec gets weaker for not bfing

less CP gen means less buff uptime and cdr

[cinder relic]

yes

[glass mortar]

it can be doing both at once

[timid idol]

lol how

[random stirrup]

if the comparison was just doing normal rotation in aoe, and not bfing at all in aoe, you would expect prio to go up if I was right though, no?

[fossil lintel]

They buffed devourer and udk

[frail veldt]

is this just a case of new spec has to be best spec?

[fossil lintel]

Blizz is literally insane

[keen belfry]

im pressing BF KS before AR in aoe i think

sorry solo

[snow rapids]

Will there be a new talent build?

[random stirrup]

if it goes down that means bf is helping prio damage to some degree

[indigo token]

why

[olive bramble]

Yes

[keen belfry]

same reason as before, bf is giga generator in aoe

[autumn blaze]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[indigo token]

actually

nvm

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel can u not just do a ST sim of the aoe builds to see what is changing in the damage breakdown or how different it is from ur priority damage sims

[indigo token]

asking why is pointless

[glass mortar]

isnt literally the only difference casting BF

[random stirrup]

ye which means im wrong

[glass mortar]

between those two sim types

[inland meteor]

@gaunt phoenixmaybe stupid question but is KS used in single target?

[keen belfry]

but ur logic was sound cuz ps literally fucks cock on reset

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[random stirrup]

maybe its deeper than that

[inland meteor]

ok ty

[clever river]

got this from a officer after my guild barely could take down aversian and kept wiping to the add going off and no one focussing it. for refference still was #4 in dps in the group.

[random stirrup]

bf is a prio loss during smoke cloud

[cinder relic]

They clearly needed it

[random stirrup]

and a prio gain outside of it

[placid ocean]

Does KS give combo points even if you don't hit anything?

[keen belfry]

im so exicted to read this

[quiet ore]

Weird that triple fazed is like rng wickers

[topaz fox]

!prepull

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[glass mortar]

yes

u cant start the cast without a target though unfortunatly

[frail veldt]

yes you can

I just tested this bro

[glass mortar]

after its started ur free to go wherever and blast ur gun off randomy into the air

[frail veldt]

you can just cast it whenver you want

[keen belfry]

i could see this being the case

[frail veldt]

you dont need a target to start it

[glass mortar]

really last time i did that i got a no target error

[quiet ore]

Haste doesn't affect energy class GCDs (outside adr), this was written by AI, dollars to donuts

[frail veldt]

I did it the same night you mentioned it haha

[glass mortar]

hmm

i dont believe you

[frail veldt]

just standing in the capital

Ill record it next time

[glass mortar]

because if that was true, you would have come in here and corrected me instantly

[frail veldt]

I wasnt even targeting myself

[glass mortar]

its so easy to tell when ur lying mewo

[frail veldt]

I DID

[glass mortar]

anyway 💅

[frail veldt]

I literally responded

right away

you didnt read it

[random stirrup]

can you do not bfing while the prio target has 3 fazed stacks and bfing if it doesnt

[glass mortar]

i dont even remember that night so i probably wasnt on discord at all anymore if u did

[vivid vessel]

you can really see a breakdown for prio damage in an aoe sim

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

no fuck you

[jolly geyser]

Long maintenance on US?

[random stirrup]

wtf!

[steel briar]

good read 🔥 i love guilds like this lol

[fossil lintel]

Y u no pad? Bad rouge - your gm

[glass mortar]

i mean do an aoe sim and do a ST sim with the same setup and see the difference in output or

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix the new apl is crazy bro wtf

i dont even wanna say the numbers

i get

i simmed all of these with old apl

just redid them

[steel briar]

ye blizzard is human with these buffs

[vivid vessel]

ok lil buddy

first time outlaw is gonna be good in one millenia

[gaunt phoenix]

hm it should be like 1.5% or idk

[vivid vessel]

nah bro

[steel briar]

not even just the outlaw buffs

[vivid vessel]

i gained

[steel briar]

8% to devourer 10% to unholy

[vivid vessel]

ok i guess i gained 1.5%

[fossil lintel]

We were okay in S2 tww no?

[steel briar]

13% to outlaw is nuts tho ngl

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

idk my aoe gain on reset is 19% solo

like

[quiet ore]

I have to include a bunch of trickster variations on olmallet now, I cry for my poor burning compute machine

[vivid vessel]

dont tell people these numbers ye

[jolly geyser]

Tveh prolly forgot an 1 before the 8 for dev

[dull ivy]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail veldt]

imagine doubting solo

[cursive gyro]

you were 2nd boss dmg btw. Only behind the Unholy DK.

[frail veldt]

zac didnt trust the 1.5

[vivid vessel]

bro

19%

?

[plain portal]

Yo guys quick question, does the fazed damage reduction apply to dots put on you by the target or only things like a bolt/stomp etc

So like with the new cloud cover would the extra damage reduction apply to a bleed or wtv

[glass mortar]

if the damage of the dot is sourced from the boss it will be reduced like atrophic would

[fossil lintel]

Should apply unless the dot snapshots for some reason

[plain portal]

Oh dope I thought dots worked differently tbh

[steel briar]

ok but real question to the outlaw gamers : do we think the buff is gonna stay or is it a mistake. debating crafting outlaw wep for this week.

[frail veldt]

it should stay

they might fix the fazed crit damage increase

but who knows

[fossil lintel]

We have no idea, we hope it stays

[carmine seal]

So guys I just took a week break from wow after hitting 2800 and seeing if i want to push for 3400 hows outlaw rogue in the new patch?

[frail veldt]

13% more dps

[formal thunder]

it's crazy how little was said by your officer with that many words

[frail veldt]

pins have more info

[steel briar]

i feel like the buff was aimed at sub & they just didnt check the numbers for outlaw lowkey

[cinder relic]

OPUTLAW IS WORSE

WHY WOULD THEY NTO WANT TO BUFF OUTLAW

XPLAIN

[light harbor]

is outlaw the best spec after buffs?

[steel briar]

no ik

[glass mortar]

i think its a mistake but it should certainly stay

[cinder relic]

Im going to EXPLODE

[fossil lintel]

But they did nerf bf to compensate a 4% st buff like 2 weeks ago so it doesn't seem like they think we need vuffs

[cinder relic]

DEVOURER DH GOT BUFFED

[steel briar]

bc they share the trickster talent

[glass mortar]

as in i dont think they expected 13% from it but outlaw absolutely wont be broken with 13% so

[frail veldt]

its okay bro

[steel briar]

and outlaw gets giga value from it bc of restless blades

[frail veldt]

just play outlaw

and relax

[steel briar]

no i am

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/cavif-cavifax-gif-3330778137757269524

[outer meteor]

daily guy crashout

W

[frail veldt]

scarcity mindset guy

we got a buff

[steel briar]

im chillin lol idc what rogue spec is good

[frail veldt]

be happy

[finite frigate]

Bro wtf is that outlaw buff

[rapid spoke]

killing spree back?

[frail veldt]

I feel like its opposite day whats happening

[steel briar]

i play whatever is good

[frail veldt]

discord is pogging over buff

[glass mortar]

we have no clue what they r gunna do is the real answer

[frail veldt]

guy is dooming about devourer

[fossil lintel]

I hope the udk and devourer buffs are not intentional tbh, otherwise blizz is straight insane

[steel briar]

im just asking if u guys think it was intended to be 13%

[finite frigate]

Hotfix incoming?

[plain portal]

I’ve seen enough make unseen blade aoe fully uncapped for outlaw

[random stirrup]

no but its probably ok

[glass mortar]

every single meager drop of tuning we've gotten has come with a straight nerf to compensate for aoe which makes it seem like they thought we were tuned fine

[outer meteor]

all the fotm rogues coming

[frail veldt]

nah

[glass mortar]

then they randomly drop a 13% st/aoe buff on us

🤷

it should stay

but who knows

[cinder relic]

I'm not dooming over devourer I'm just losing my mind at people saying "Guys we can't possibly deserve a buff" as fucking devourer DH and Unholy DK are slapping their bellies, being the best DPS in the game getting buffed every week

REMEMBER WHEN UDK GOT A HOTFIX 25% BUFF

[frail veldt]

who said we dont deserve a buff what

[cinder relic]

[radiant wyvern]

people dont play rogue even when its good

[frail veldt]

ban them

if someone said that

[glass mortar]

its weird to read people saying that as we dont deserve a buff

[plain portal]

Yea devourer getting buffed when it’s already busted is wild

[frail veldt]

people are just surprised we got a buff

[glass mortar]

more like, if we needed a 13% buff and they agree, why was every single tuning we got perfectly compensated with BF nerfs/buffs before this patch

[frail veldt]

thtas very different

[finite frigate]

Like 15% buff is insane - imagine 6 RtB luck now

[frail veldt]

were used to being ignored haha

[steel briar]

who is saying outlaw doesnt deserve a buff O_o

[frail veldt]

no one is saying we didnt deserve one rofl

people are just scared to be happy

weve been hurt before

[plain portal]

Nah outlaw needs another buff

[frail veldt]

they dont want to get too excited

[finite frigate]

Outlaw definitely deserves one but its just gonna be the best spec by far no?

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-cash-i-hurt-myself-today-gif-11701571

[fossil lintel]

And there lies the problem: if they make a hotfix next week to jerk react to that wowhead post based on the numbers there, udk devourer and us are getting hit hard

[frail veldt]

whats our total buff since start of the season at this point

[edgy phoenix]

no its still rogue

[frail veldt]

like 25%?

[cinder relic]

Outlaw has inherent weaknesses tied to the way it does damage, where it genuinely needs to be, on paper higher than the other specs to actually serve a purpose

[frail veldt]

crazy how behind we were to start with haha

[cinder relic]

It's also, still a rogue, rogue is ass when u compare to devourer, unholy DK in raid RIGHT NOW

[frail veldt]

yeah what guy said

[cinder relic]

and both thos especs JUST GOT BUFFED

[finite frigate]

Thats why outlaw pushes the highest keys?

[frail veldt]

outlaw is a weird spec thats value IS its overall

[marsh raft]

hey they DESERVED those buffs

dont judge!

[frail veldt]

it doesnt

[cinder relic]

W rage bait

[frail veldt]

zac does

[steel briar]

yea blizzard is genuinely cooked

[finite frigate]

huh? raider.io?

[frail veldt]

look at the stats theres like 3 outlaws pushing

[frail veldt]

yes

you wana do this?

[steel briar]

im convinced they fired people from their balance team before midnight

[bright crane]

AI

[glass mortar]

just because theres 2-3 lunatics that push the highest io with outlaw every season

[edgy phoenix]

pink names man

[glass mortar]

doesnt mean its good data for the raw tuning of specs

[edgy phoenix]

[finite frigate]

it still means the upper percentile of outlaw is gonna be completely broken

[frail veldt]

tell me again

[glass mortar]

outlaw showed as good m+ push spec last season when zac was doing r1 io keys while his two other dps were gapping him by 20-30% raw overall

just saying

[frail veldt]

oh good players are going to be good still? thats wild

[summer nimbus]

Tbf popularity and strength isnt always a direct correlation

[finite frigate]

well yes there are outlaw rogues lol

[cinder relic]

W rage bait

Its working

[random stirrup]

dk logging in for its 4th season being hard meta in a row

[frail veldt]

bro theres more assa rogues

[random stirrup]

just another day on the job

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-gif-17870535188958174605

[frail veldt]

jokes on him I love arguing

[red zinc]

rage baiting so hard he summoned me from the grave

[finite frigate]

but assa does not get a freaking 15% buff

[frail veldt]

it didnt need one

[edgy phoenix]

has to be bait lol

[steel briar]

some of u outlaw 1 tricks are very emotional lool

[placid ocean]

The one outlaw rogue pushing high keys is an outlier and shouldn't be considered.

[carmine seal]

Quick question what was the buff?

[craggy barn]

dw guys, udk is getting a 25% bugged buff that will get them hotfix nerfed into a hotfix buff a day later

[slow pagoda]

Outlaw should do what the ret discord did

[frail veldt]

15+

[random stirrup]

pins i think

[finite frigate]

its gonna be hotfixxed 100%, if you dont think that you're coping real time

[plain portal]

Doesn’t sin still beat outlaw in high keys post buffs purely off damage profile lol

[magic steppe]

Does buff make rotation easier or higher cpm ???

[vivid vessel]

except you ask any good rogue player which spec is the best on live in keys

[edgy phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-or-low-iq-call-it-rage-bait-ragebait-low-iq-call-it-gif-11418983585207187263

[vivid vessel]

and they will tell you sin

ask casual

rn

[mystic berry]

yeah but will it be an emergency hotfix?

[cinder relic]

Yeah but this guy figured it out

[abstract frost]

Best rogue spec is farover

[finite frigate]

Probably 1 week of fun

[cinder relic]

theres like 2 ppl playing the spec

So it can never get a buffed?

[coarse kraken]

Where can I get the updated APL for the trickster changes?

[glass mortar]

if unholy dks can get an emergency hotfix for being too far behind surely outlaw can get it for being turned into a real dps spec

[red zinc]

they will nerf my goat zac like they nerfed my goat lebron by putting westbrook on his team

[frail veldt]

outlaw is actually just that behind

devourer got an 8% buff as one of the top specs in the game

and you dont think outlaw can get a 13% buff being one of the least represented specs on the ladder?

[edgy phoenix]

most of ppl will fotm outlaw after hearing 15% buff then tank spec performance so no hotfix

[cinder relic]

Devourer and UDK get an 8% buff
Assassination players; Yeah idk, they gotta hotfix rogue I thinks

[coarse kraken]

this is actually insane but we still keep paying our subs so why should it change

[cinder relic]

me thinks... rogue nerf

[finite frigate]

You don't realize how insane 15% is

[glass mortar]

its just funny because this same argument using raider io could be used last season when outlaw was getting gapped by most specs by 10-20% but the same 3 people were still pushing as it anyway

[steel briar]

this chat is cinema rn ngl

[frail veldt]

I dont think you do

[glass mortar]

and doing 22s

[random stirrup]

yeah guy

[frail veldt]

because its not insane lol

[steel briar]

u guys got me kicking my feet rn

[abstract frost]

Is there more adjustment tuning coming?

[random stirrup]

you are just clueless guy

[abstract frost]

Or are we done till .7

[finite frigate]

Arms warrior was complete garbage before its buffs - it received a 3.5% buff overall

[red zinc]

this guy typin like he in the cuck chair in the corner

[cinder relic]

ARMS WARRIOR GARBAGE

[finite frigate]

Assa got a 4.5% buff

[frail veldt]

"spec with no burst or prio gets buff that still wont put it at the top of overall"
Yeah this shits 100% getting nerfed /s

[glass mortar]

a 3.5% buff is not why it went from garbage to strong

[coarse kraken]

HUH

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[glass mortar]

and if u believe that it explains ur whole argument rn ig

[indigo token]

we already got nerfed remember

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[edgy phoenix]

dont take the baitttttt

[frail veldt]

wait

wait

wait

[static crescent]

feel like my UI is slowly becoming the opposite of clean

[frail veldt]

is this

mafic?

is mafic in the discord

[red zinc]

mafic johnson

[spare dome]

i havent played wow in a long time but i still come here to read messages, never change outlaw channel

[trim vigil]

Nice ragebait

[unique fulcrum]

get zac UI

[steel briar]

ok but objectively speaking, any class getting a 13% increase in st and aoe is just terrible tuning. unless they are actually terrible dogshit tier, which outlaw was not. outlaw did need a buff tho, just not 13%

[edgy phoenix]

cursed borders

[slow pagoda]

Why is your kick icon so huge

[finite frigate]

I don't even understand why you are so angry about that - its clear as hell its gonna get hotfixed lmao

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[frail veldt]

CORRECT

[abstract frost]

Guys guys. Do I open my rogue vault as outlaw or Assa

[glass mortar]

yes tuning has been dog this tier

[cinder relic]

OPutlaw is terrible dogshit

[glass mortar]

i dont think any of us owuld disagree

[frail veldt]

bro outlaw has gotten like 12% before

[magic steppe]

We are not getting buff because outlaw player are all one trick poney and are actually fire at their spec

[frail veldt]

leading up to this

outlaw was like 30+% behidn

[steel briar]

brotherrr lol

[radiant wyvern]

assassination should be removed from the game

[frail veldt]

at the start of the season

[vivid vessel]

arms also got 8% st buff btw

[magic steppe]

And blizz dont understand that

[cinder relic]

Literally all 3 rogue specs could get a 10% on this reset and still all 3 would be bad

[gaunt phoenix]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/engine/class_modules/apl/rogue/outlaw.simc

[red zinc]

solo hope you're having a good day and shit

[vivid vessel]

guys

objectively

[random stirrup]

nah but this guy is getting u good

[vivid vessel]

right

i think outlaw is gonna be s tier on reset

[gaunt phoenix]

I'm not

[vivid vessel]

s tier specs exist tho

so

thats fine

[magic steppe]

Our blue parser are 95 of other specs

[cinder relic]

Bro I'm already primed from reddit

[vivid vessel]

no

[cinder relic]

I'm getting told on the compwow subreddit that "devourer isnt that good"

[trim vigil]

I agree

[abstract frost]

Yah outlaw is gonna be brought to keys over devourer

[clear tulip]

i have a feeling we might get a buff does not refresh dipping in and out of the fart cloud hotfix

[indigo token]

has our tuning ever been this bad across the board

[random stirrup]

oh god i havent looked

[abstract frost]

You heard it here first

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[indigo token]

or is this historically bad performance for rogues

[vivid vessel]

mortiz listen

if it was me

[frail veldt]

bro you went on reddit?

rookie mistake

[vivid vessel]

meta comp is arms outlaw udk brew sham

thats meta comp

[spare dome]

When's the patch dropping?

[vivid vessel]

objectively meta comp

[fossil lintel]

Glad to see we're not the only ones who enjoy rage baiting you

[craggy barn]

it wont ever be meta zac

[bright crane]

Meta comp is whatever group Zac is in

[frail veldt]

for it to be meta comp there would need to be more than 10 competent outlaw players

[craggy barn]

bc u cant unga bunga phys comp

[glass mortar]

thats because ddh has a skill ceiling

its up higher then ud think to

[vivid vessel]

casual can play outlaw

[frail veldt]

thats 1

[abstract frost]

Yah idk ret exists atm

[glass mortar]

believe it not "always be casting" is a hard concept for 90% of the people in this game

and any voidform type design

[vivid vessel]

ret instead of udk ?

[frail veldt]

name 9 more

[glass mortar]

heavily punishes making small mistakes with that

[vivid vessel]

im not replacing arms or outlaw lol

[thorny zinc]

yoda swaps back to outlaw cuz its so meta surely

[abstract frost]

Ret instead of outlaw. But yah if it was you. Prob udk outlaw

[frail veldt]

true

[craggy barn]

yoda is vibing as ret rn

[frail veldt]

ret is yuge

[vivid vessel]

i mean no way lol

[craggy barn]

let the man vibe

[spare dome]

llmitch comes back from the dead

[placid ocean]

Voidform type design is punishing if you're bad, so I think that explains the reddit arguments

[frail veldt]

what does outlaw add to that group

[magic steppe]

ZAC cat meta in this comp ?

[frail veldt]

that ret doesnt

[abstract frost]

Idk dude sac is actually kind of busted

[glass mortar]

ye sure

[vivid vessel]

but it does less damage

who cares

[cinder relic]

Outlaw is gonna do big fuckin damn in keys tho fs

[frail veldt]

it is yeah

[radiant wyvern]

.6% more dr

[ruby marten]

i guess we playing outlaw this half season hell yeah

[random stirrup]

how much is the cloud cover dr buff gonna help zac

[magic steppe]

Or just the cat in ur comp ur friend

[random stirrup]

do u ever have to hold ar for damage events

[abstract frost]

Ret does ridiculous amount of damage. Maybe that’s just yodah

[indigo token]

we

[cinder relic]

Utility is larp when u deal so much more damage

[indigo token]

we

fuck

im missing my keys

we've always been at least passable in keys

[cinder relic]

Outlaw is doing 15% more aoe from what its doing RN

[indigo token]

the problem has always been raid

[cinder relic]

More than 15% probably

[frail veldt]

how far behind were we in aoe

[thorny zinc]

gun to my tanks head telling him hes not allowed to move

[frail veldt]

from other specs

lol

[vivid vessel]

ok but thats not true

[frail veldt]

I think outlaws main value is its ST

[vivid vessel]

i would have gapped yoda

and im getting a buff

that is

immense

lol

[frail veldt]

our boss damage is gona be quite strong

[glass mortar]

but ur boss damage is only getting buffed by like 4% remember zac checked the prio

[frail veldt]

lol

[craggy barn]

maybe i can take outlaw to aug keys now

[abstract frost]

DAMNNN

[frail veldt]

no our ST is also getting buffed 10+%

[glass mortar]

its so over

[abstract frost]

DONT TALK ABOUT MY RET LIKE THAT

[frail veldt]

yuge

[main bone]

Im curious if blizzard just forgot typing trickster to outlaw or am i on outdated patchnotes? When im looking here, it states the change with the fartsmokes under assa and under sub but not under outlaw: https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24271855/12-0-5-content-update-notes

[abstract frost]

HES MY BUBBLE SAC

[vivid vessel]

mostrly about you cuh ..

[glass mortar]

well the thing is

assassination cannot play trickster

[cinder relic]

just a typo

[main bone]

ah lol i see , ty ❤️

[fossil lintel]

Except when you pull funnel to the boss, then our prio falls

[glass mortar]

so when u realize that u just need to remember that blizzard has unpaid interns make the patch notes

[indigo token]

thats why ive switched to sin

[glass mortar]

they could have chat gpt do it and be about as accurate

its about the cruelty at this point tho

dont u dare pay those interns

😠

[cinder relic]

Are you genuinely dumb

[glass mortar]

no i was making a joke in 2 parts

[indigo token]

its an outlaw player

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/orb-spheal-pondering-my-orb-pokemon-pondering-gif-24206579

[abstract frost]

im gonna ascend today on outlaw watch

[vivid vessel]

i believe

[abstract frost]

ima get hero trinkets and mythic wep from vault

[vivid vessel]

i think mortiz

[abstract frost]

and its joeover

[vivid vessel]

what you dont see in my keys

on overall on live

[junior heart]

Outlaw
Ace Up Your Sleeve has been updated – Between the Eyes has a 3%/6% chance (was 5%) per combo point spent to grant 4 combo points (was 2/4) and reset its own cooldown. - how does this net a 13% buff?

[vivid vessel]

is that i cancel bf for funnel

so my overalls can look lower

than they actually are

[glass mortar]

read pins

[steel briar]

i think outlaw was already op and didnt need any buffs.

[vivid vessel]

outlaw is already very good on live

[steel briar]

sits back and waits

[abstract frost]

jokes on you i dont press blade flurry at all

[astral jay]

yea I'm gonna need an updated rotation priority list because wtf is going on with smokebomb + prep + KS lmao

[thorny zinc]

the cloud coverage buff is the big buff

[vivid vessel]

i do not believe one second that ret

[abstract frost]

i forget

[vivid vessel]

can handle

[main bone]

its the fart clouds on trickster, as they just said they added it on assa

[abstract frost]

[vivid vessel]

what outlaw will be

on reset

[placid ocean]

Your rage fuels me

[vivid vessel]

after buffs

[glass mortar]

prio didnt really change tho

[vivid vessel]

not one single second

[fossil lintel]

You cancel bf for funnel to leave it to the warrior?

[vivid vessel]

yes

of course

why would i bf for fun

[glass mortar]

poopfartcloud is activated by AR

[astral jay]

👀

[glass mortar]

ks is under BtE i guess thats a change from last expac

[keen belfry]

certain keys you wont beat good rets, tbf

[vivid vessel]

first boss academy im under tank for example

[fossil lintel]

You're an outlaw, stop being so ethical

[vivid vessel]

am i really under tank ?

no im not

im topping boss damage

[amber dirge]

mortiz saves trueshot for the smallies..

[ruby marten]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[amber dirge]

duality of man..

[fossil lintel]

Bro cancels bf on funnel and then complains arms is 20% ahead

[vivid vessel]

mortiz is r1 padder bro

[abstract frost]

[vivid vessel]

i seen him

[keen belfry]

but i think we beat ret in dmg mostly now

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[radiant wyvern]

ret is gapping on funnel

[vivid vessel]

doesnt matter

i mean look

[steel briar]

deserved

[vivid vessel]

ret can be third spec ok

i give you that one

[abstract frost]

"Ads gotta die bro"

[indigo token]

Can we get this image but with FARTLAW!!!!!!! and a really obnoxious green gradient over it

[vivid vessel]

arms and outlaw are locked in tho

[keen belfry]

on one mob, yes but a lot of pullshave multiple prio mobs

[vivid vessel]

third can be udk or ret idk

[glass mortar]

we need some fartlaw emotes

[vivid vessel]

whatever the fuck you want

[glass mortar]

but we have no content creators....

[vivid vessel]

even feral is prolly decent

[indigo token]

This spec needs a hero!

[amber dirge]

bad news it's aug

[vivid vessel]

aug ..

[cinder relic]

I think we need less fart comments

[glass mortar]

aug is fine......

[vivid vessel]

if i see one outlaw player

[frail veldt]

but aug dog

[vivid vessel]

playing with an aug bro

[glass mortar]

aug is fine with outlaw....

[keen belfry]

i wonder when yoda will commit to phys comp

[frail veldt]

aug devourer

[radiant wyvern]

farteverguy

[frail veldt]

demo

[glass mortar]

i talked to the wizard zac.... its ok now...

[keen belfry]

i think yoda is scared of the power of NA phys comp

[ruby marten]

aug is mids lets be real

[fossil lintel]

This is literally the spec entire fantasy now

[frail veldt]

wang no ones scared of NA

[keen belfry]

thats what ive heard atleast

[amber dirge]

no one in NA can play outlaw rogue since i moved to the tank role

[vivid vessel]

NA

[amber dirge]

🙂

[frail veldt]

no one could before either

[vivid vessel]

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel is this true?

[frail veldt]

gottem

[astral jay]

-# outlaw good? just in time to get nerfed for the next season and its RWF so we don't see another rogue in the top guilds again.
-# I just wanna root for one yellow boi in echo/liquid/method/etc

[plain portal]

Bring back jpc for NA

[vivid vessel]

its true i concur

not a single outlaw player in na

[keen belfry]

u dont believe that its ok lil bro

[cinder relic]

Pre complaining for next season tuning already?

[vivid vessel]

not a single outlaw player iun eu either tho

[glass mortar]

wtf zac.... isnt awang na....

[vivid vessel]

casual can play outlaw

[vivid vessel]

wang is wahsed up

[keen belfry]

wang has entered his prime this tier

[vivid vessel]

i miss zeross

we would have done triple outlaw keys again

[tiny onyx]

Ots is NA, no?

[vivid vessel]

would have been fun

[near rock]

all the good NA outlaws are raid only sorry

[vivid vessel]

raid

mickey mouse content

[random stirrup]

no way the awang of EU is saying this

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[astral jay]

triple outlaw... imagine if restless crew made it to live the way it used to be designed in DF beta(?)

[indigo token]

i dont agree with darkspear

i just like the gif

[keen belfry]

he doesnt know bro

and yoda thinks the same...

[astral jay]

it is a great gif
-# and I'm mostly memeing

[abstract frost]

what do you guys think of a 14s killing spree today?

worth?

[upper hawk]

good to see these struggling specs also getting buffs

[abstract frost]

Much needed buffs

[static crescent]

trying out zac UI, is there any other way to determine what rtb u rolled here except looking at the small icon textures

im too old apparently

[abstract frost]

@vivid vessel How long do you give before this is nuked

[cinder haven]

Surely this buff is because I didn’t buy midnight yet

I take full credit

[placid ocean]

Thank you for your service

[waxen grotto]

My kings, will the bonus roll priority for the Outlaw be MH > trinkets? As a rogue assassin who wants to play Outlaw, should I craft a sword and use the forge on it, or is it better to use it on something else?

[tight kernel]

Where aug buff at

[keen belfry]

kev

stopit

[vivid vessel]

it wont

[fair ice]

Guys

[abstract frost]

https://tenor.com/view/sticker-yung-joc-crying-meme-man-crying-meme-thebeyonderrrr-gif-828328460466032722

Zac right now

[fair ice]

If we giga boost hero items, we get to save mythcrests on mythic items

[ruby marten]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

dropping devourer for outlaw, inspired

[vivid vessel]

ok be honest rn

when the lsat time outlaw was good

lil buddy

[ruby marten]

i feel like s1 tww lol

[jagged plover]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been-bad-from-the-beginning-shea-brennan-sam-elliott-1883-bad-from-the-start-gif-24361684

[vivid vessel]

was terrible in s1 tww

nice try tho

[glass mortar]

s2 was the best season outlaw had

[tiny onyx]

guys you cant celebrate too hard or blizz will nerf us

[glass mortar]

and i wouldnt call it strong either. it was alright

[frail veldt]

according to you it was s2 tww

[vivid vessel]

it was s2 tww when it accidentaly was good after they fixed bf bug

and then before that it was s3 df

[frail veldt]

in DF it was good S3

[vivid vessel]

and then all of these seasons it was only in keys that it was good

[inner fog]

isnt there outlaw rogue on doing 20-21 atm?

[vivid vessel]

and even then it was "good"

[rancid silo]

when you say good do you mean S tier or good as in it was playable

[vivid vessel]

wasnt meta

[glass mortar]

its always playable

[vivid vessel]

it was good as in i played it

[jagged plover]

that is the guy talking

[vivid vessel]

and i wasnt mad about it

[glass mortar]

everything in this game is always playable that metric is too low

[cinder relic]

Yes there is one player rn pushing keys on outlaw

[vivid vessel]

i was happy about it

[frail veldt]

playable is true but the experience is worse if you arent in the "meta"

so the meta matters at all ratings effectively

[red zinc]

you might not believe it but it really is this guy

[glass mortar]

obviously yes, thats why the playable metric is silly

i can remember only a couple times in the games history a spec was left so bad it was truly unplayable

[rancid silo]

from a not outlaw main im pretty happy about the class it feels fun. Not as fun as old Tww law but i dont hate it

[glass mortar]

like ud be purposefully trolling ur groups to try to play it

[frail veldt]

in theory the viability at r1 keys should be irrelevant at everything below top 0.01% but in reality people follow that meta even down to weekly keys so it does matter

cuz grouping and sentiment affects all players

[plain portal]

I think we outlaw players have been punished enough since bfa and they should uncap blade flurry and buff us by another 15%

[minor thorn]

Sub in BFA after getting gutted for its sins on Zul

[plain portal]

Give me triple outlaw keys again

[vivid vessel]

being honest with you guys outlaw is fine in keys rn and i would have been ok with not getting buffs this season, i have had seasons where i did tank damage every pack

at least it wasnt one of these this season

but i mean we arent like

good either

[glass mortar]

mid

[vivid vessel]

no one is playing the spec

we are just not bad

so

[craggy barn]

its hard to pug as law at higher keys

esp in NA

[jagged plover]

it would be nice to be the premier rogue spec once in a while

[craggy barn]

NA is prime meta slop

[inner fog]

this, its not just people inviting only "meta"
its also players only playing meta

[minor thorn]

It's hard to pug as rogue in higher keys

[keen belfry]

its too ez here

[craggy barn]

i have to apply as sin to get in

[frail veldt]

do you think people will actually play it now

[vivid vessel]

maybe

[jagged plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1420460439908913223/image.gif

[vivid vessel]

casual will play it

[frail veldt]

sure

[vivid vessel]

and i will play it

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1493009002479751168/image_1.gif

[frail veldt]

you always do lol

[vivid vessel]

and we will be doing r1 keys

[inner fog]

100% some people cope about that 13%

[frail veldt]

I think some people will reroll

[vivid vessel]

im allready doing r1 keys without buff

[frail veldt]

and realize they still dont pump

[vivid vessel]

so idk

[unkempt dew]

Kekw

[frail veldt]

and then roll back to uhdk

[vivid vessel]

i think you will see more r1 keyus with outlaw now that casual is playing it

2x as many !

[frail veldt]

sure

[vivid vessel]

outlaw player base doubled

kinda insane no

[frail veldt]

I think I will be able to get into groups

[jagged plover]

bro is worried about outlaw when dev and uhdk exists

[frail veldt]

cuz people see 13% buff

[jagged plover]

this is a crab fighting a crab

[vivid vessel]

so it will trickle down

[inner fog]

tbf this tuning is as shit as it can get

[keen belfry]

i think u guys r gonna see a new na phys comp just saying

nbd

[cinder relic]

I gotta push for title too I need the mount

[craggy barn]

holy

guy gonna mplus

[cinder relic]

Depends how bored I am

[craggy barn]

gap zac

[plain portal]

With what classes tho?

[radiant wyvern]

still terrible low target cleave tho yeah?

[jagged plover]

hes gonna push on arms dont be baited

[frail veldt]

the 1% will be free I think

[keen belfry]

there is one real phys comp

[shadow trellis]

Ye

[cinder relic]

Yeah that's all I care about

[frail veldt]

yeah you can get that just doing like 2 keys a week

[vivid vessel]

ours right

[light kernel]

is it possible to add potion timer with tracked buffs in blizz options?

[vivid vessel]

or

[unkempt dew]

I really like the new m+ mounts

[vivid vessel]

or is it wox one

[craggy barn]

wox isnt pure phys

[vivid vessel]

wox has a ranged dps so idk

its kinda

[random stirrup]

do you think itll be stronger .5 than it was in tww2

[rustic nimbus]

can’t wait til we get pirates grip which lets us use two two handed agi polearms

[keen belfry]

yours yes

[vivid vessel]

filfthy

[keen belfry]

i found a group of gamers

we just need a gamer warrior

[vivid vessel]

yes

[keen belfry]

then we blast no cap

[vivid vessel]

or uh

idk

mayeb

[glass mortar]

i think so

[vivid vessel]

maybe not

[frail veldt]

how do I find a warrior with a brain

[vivid vessel]

s2 tww was kinda good

[glass mortar]

depends how bad cloud is to play around

[frail veldt]

I think cloud wont be bad

due to how the buff works

[craggy barn]

bro

[keen belfry]

apparrentlylyl warr is hard cuz the gap i see is wild

[glass mortar]

on some of these 20s gather the mob pulls

[frail veldt]

you need to touch it twice

very easy

[craggy barn]

pre key farting

[keen belfry]

i beat some arms warriors rn

[frail veldt]

fr fr

[craggy barn]

is gonna be goated

[keen belfry]

so NA is definittely going to think outlaw is OP on reset

[glass mortar]

ok but what about when ur tank starts his pull 60 yards away from where he finishes it mewo

that happens all the time to me in the groups with my friends idk

[keen belfry]

and thats just cuz ppl dont know how to do dmg

[glass mortar]

u just gunna afk in ar for 15 seconds?

[jagged plover]

bomb his house

[granite slate]

is that 13% number above what we were playing prior or just above what trickster was prior?

[craggy barn]

ALSO DONT FORGET TO GAS UP YOUR VAULT BY PRE FARTING

[frail veldt]

I mean thats just on the rogue

to know

where the packs gona go

[glass mortar]

i guess

[frail veldt]

thatll be figured out

[glass mortar]

assuming it always goes same place

[gaunt phoenix]

13% ahead of current fatebound

[frail veldt]

once you play with a group for a while

its not even an issue

[vivid vessel]

i think your opener

will go as in

ss ss ks

and you sit in ks

till tank gathered

then you can adr

[granite slate]

oh, that is bigly.

[vivid vessel]

at final pack destination

you will have to sit in adr to not int

[frail veldt]

but what about later in the key

when KS isnt as lined up

def gona have to pay attention to that

I think a lot of rogues wont see the 13% buff

in reality

cuz they wont be maximizing the cloud

and will do things like clearing the fazed

[vivid vessel]

idk then

[gaunt palm]

Hook to where you think your tank is gonna gather to, pop ADR, hook back

[silver venture]

Zac do you post keys run on youtube or something, would love to learn from ye

[jagged plover]

even our tuning is conditional

[vivid vessel]

yes i do

when i think about it

click my head

[jagged plover]

they also show on r.io

for the top runs at least

[vivid vessel]

1

[craggy barn]

1

[waxen path]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[silver venture]

Oh awesome

Ty

[tall sundial]

What will be CD on blind with all the rediction we can get next week?

[deep sequoia]

Ok quick question where the fuck is wowhead pulling this 13% buff to outlaw from? Is it the trickster changes?

[jagged plover]

yes

it is accurate

[deep sequoia]

So we play trickster again?

Fuck

[jagged plover]

yep

[deep sequoia]

God I fucking hate killing spree

[jagged plover]

check pins trickster has additional cringe even beyond ks

[deep sequoia]

What else is there besides having to track the dumbass flawless form stacks etc

[frail veldt]

you dont have to

[frail veldt]

thats not a thing anymore

[sudden veldt]

is the 13% buff speculation or somebody tested the spec in ptr?

[frail veldt]

its a sim number

[jagged plover]

it's simmed

[vivid vessel]

we do sims

[jagged plover]

[sudden veldt]

ah ok

[deep sequoia]

Ok so in theory

[keen belfry]

mmm this sounds like 13% buff lets go with 13

[deep sequoia]

It’s a 13% buff

[inner sky]

Someone asked Claude and it was like Yup 13%

[still matrix]

Is us servers live or nah?

[inner sky]

good enough for 2026

[harsh bramble]

Guys if you’re gonna play trickster just come sub

[near rock]

nah

[still matrix]

Shiettt

I need to see gameplay!

[jagged plover]

maintaining the buff shouldn't be that hard especially on bosses

[inner sky]

I cant, the survival hunter took all the damn daggers

[deep sequoia]

“It depends” - wowhead 2026

[near rock]

I'll stream raid tn

[jagged plover]

you only need to dip in at the end of the smokebomb to get max uptime

so you can bomb, leave it until the last second, then dip back in before it expires and be fine

[still matrix]

Can you link stream? Here so I can save it for later xD