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#outlaw
keen belfry
gleaming reef
I’ll be so sad if blizzard nerfs us
keen belfry
incoming beta comment
they are gonna nerf cloud cover by taking AR off restless blades
thoughts/
keen belfry
ashen void
don't speak this evil into being
keen belfry
i have spoken
rugged nova
So for m+ are we stealthing between pulls or just boss stuff?
gleaming reef
They better make AR a major big cooldown if they do that
copper radish
they are gonna nerf cloud cover by taking AR off restless blades
If AR gets deleted off restless are we even outlaws at that point
gaunt phoenix
stealth doesnt matter
cinder relic
So for m+ are we stealthing between pulls or just boss stuff?
what
rugged nova
Cloud cover- I’m guessing that is from stealth?
gleaming reef
No
ashen void
naur
gaunt phoenix
No it activates from adrenaline rush
copper radish
Cloud cover- I’m guessing that is from stealth?
Nope
rugged nova
Got ya.
gleaming reef
You press AR and you fart
gaunt phoenix
big stinky
ashen void
rugged nova
Haha ok that’s crazy
gleaming reef
A very strong fart cloud
ashen void
huffing my gas gives me an adrenaline rush
grave rose
lusty sparrow
how many pogs out of 5 are the .5 changes looking
unique fulcrum
6-7
light ivy
is it worth waiting for loaded dice if u have no buff and lets say 30 sec cd on AR
river wing
chances are you're gonna get more CDR off having even 1 buff to justify pressing rtb at that point
like you'll press AR in 3-4 finishers and another finisher will bring RtB back anyway
so you'll be able to reroll
gaunt phoenix
well also if you natty roll at least 2 then you are ahead of the curve
river wing
ye
rapid spoke
what is this fart cloud I keep reading about, which skill is it xD
gaunt phoenix
cloud cover talent in 12.0.5 trickster tree
fossil lintel
well also if you natty roll at least 2 then you are ahead of the curve
This is impossible though, natty roll is always one roll
gaunt phoenix
true..
fossil lintel
And rerolling without LD when you already have a 1 roll always results in another 1 roll for some reason
near rock
just get lucky
frail veldt
And rerolling without LD when you already have a 1 roll always results in anothe...
only if youre in combat and pack has a lot of health left
final pagoda
Can we all agree to keep complaining? Let's keep this lowkey, realz can still be spying on us
frail veldt
if the pack has <5% left and theres rp after it then you roll jackpot natty every time
frail veldt
Can we all agree to keep complaining? Let's keep this lowkey, realz can still be...
we never stopped bby
final pagoda
I just tried the spec on beta, it is still trash guys 🙁
fossil lintel
True, natty rolls at end of third boss on seat are always jackpots
frail veldt
who doesnt
midnight granite
I kinda fuck with Zac low-key frfr
fossil lintel
I just tried the spec on beta, it is still trash guys 🙁
Is beta still up?
final pagoda
No I have a special access
And I tried the outlaw buffs and we are terrible
Bottom dps
Nothing to see
final pagoda
It seems so
gaunt phoenix
Yes
fossil lintel
Oh that's sad
full hollow
Hello
unkempt dew
He did not like it?
fossil lintel
He did give us crackshot uhuh which was probably one of the most fun gameplay loops in the game
frail veldt
fr fr
unkempt dew
Why did he stop?
frail veldt
the rumor is promoted
river maple
are pistol shot rules the same with trickster?
frail veldt
is it just PS > SS at low cps and SS > PS(unless 6 stacks) when at 5cps?
gaunt phoenix
Yes
frail veldt
playing trickster in delves I feel like I hit 5cp SO fucking often
its miserable
did you already mess around with SS prio over PS at low cps with UB stacks? or does it just not matter
gaunt phoenix
PS consumes UB
keen belfry
i dont wannawaste any UBs
grim spear
unseen bullet
reef forge
at 5 cps and max stacks ps would you just send the ps
frail veldt
how long til they fix the crit dam buff
keen belfry
does leave sub in a weird place where u dont want premed
cinder relic
how long til they fix the crit dam buff
If they see it as a bug probably in a 12.0.7 or a 12.1
spring rapids
Hello , with the trickster changes did our top trinkets change aswell ?
gaunt phoenix
i doubt it's a bug
agile orchid
if it's a positive bug, it's fixed instantly
cinder relic
When they bug fix classes with beneficial bugs they will compensate buff them
gaunt phoenix
it's the exact same spell data as the damage taken debuff
cinder relic
They did for shadow, and devourer
But also are odds are its just not a bug
and its just strong
agile orchid
When they bug fix classes with beneficial bugs they will compensate buff them
remember when outlaw had the double coup bug and they fixed it with no compensation? 
cinder relic
I'll keep repeating myself but why the fuck is this discord obsessed with self flagellation asking for nerfs
agile orchid
because I have very low expectations of blizzard
near rock
I'll keep repeating myself but why the fuck is this discord obsessed with self f...
because its the only way to continue dooming
keen belfry
i mean surely u can see this is a weird way to buff outlaw
near rock
and they have to be in a permanent state of dooming
keen belfry
it really gives off accident
agile orchid
if we complain enough, we will get buffed
cinder relic
Its weird that a new talent is a buff?
low violet
for rogue, yes
mystic berry
yeah
slim hare
can we collectively doom
slim hare
that we have to use ks
grim spear
its weird that one new talent is this strong
slim hare
and it feels bad
near rock
ks is not that bad man
mystic berry
that we have to use ks
we already doomed about that on thursday dooming session
random stirrup
outlaw channel taking back the power and perma ragebaiting guy instead of the other way around
slim hare
its not that good man
random stirrup
good times
frail veldt
Its weird that a new talent is a buff?
I def dont think its weird that its a buff
cuz it also came with very funky gameplay issues
keen belfry
Its weird that a new talent is a buff?
i said its weird way to buff us
frail veldt
its very in line with rogue changes
agile orchid
I find it weird it's a 10% buff
fluid meadow
what if they just give a banner or something with a range instead of a cloud to cover everything 
cinder relic
I find it weird it's a 10% buff
Do you not find it weirder that some of the best DPS In the raid right now, and M+ are getting a buff?
Why the fuck are we concerned about dogshit rogue getting a larger buff
agile orchid
Do you not find it weirder that some of the best DPS In the raid right now, and ...
no, it's blizzard after all
cinder relic
DEVOURER DH IS GETTING A BUFF ON RESET AND SO IS UDK
agile orchid
the rich get richer
slim hare
self enabling prophecy
keen belfry
two things can be wird
mystic berry
Do you not find it weirder that some of the best DPS In the raid right now, and ...
I find both weird tbh
keen belfry
even 3 thigns can be weird!
frail veldt
Do you not find it weirder that some of the best DPS In the raid right now, and ...
not really no
agile orchid
outlaw however, it must be carefully balanced
frail veldt
its the new spec
crude flower
DEVOURER DH IS GETTING A BUFF ON RESET AND SO IS UDK
cinder relic
Yeah brand new DPS spec unholy DK
slim hare
yeah udk new
cinder relic
No
frail veldt
its their turn
slim hare
when is it our turn ?
frail veldt
turn allocation is based on player count
frozen quest
for what do people need m33kauras ? and where do i get it?
mystic berry
They gave us, like 2% net buff in tuning, then they cranked up the handle and gave us 13% for free, no downsides, in a trickster change that wasnt even under outlaw
frail veldt
our turn will be last season TLT
mystic berry
yeah its sus af
cinder relic
yeah its sus af
JUST TAKE THE BUFF MAN
frail veldt
jk were actually gona be quite strong in the meta I think tomorrow
keen belfry
jk were actually gona be quite strong in the meta I think tomorrow
we are strong tomorrow
like
frozen quest
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keen belfry
confidently said
slim hare
we will still be shit compared to oother dps
slim hare
just meta compared to rogue
gaunt phoenix
m33kaura just lets you do some old weakaura things if you prefer weakauras
near rock
nobody is ever happy man
near rock
yeah be better than them
slim hare
you have to keep complaining
keen belfry
i mean adding 14% to the dmg i was doing in keys yesterday, we will be pretty good lol
cinder relic
The sub channel doesn't whine and bitch all day about buffs man
agile orchid
bro the sub channel is the most chill place in ravenholdt
keen belfry
yes which is good
slim hare
The sub channel doesn't whine and bitch all day about buffs man
no they whine they are weak all the time
tired rune
I’ll take a 14% buff wtf no questions
slim hare
thats what we have to do
frail veldt
even if its strong
tired rune
No one is going to switch already geared
frail veldt
its pretty high effort for the reward relative to other fotm
keen belfry
I think outlaw wont be popular
agred but i see randoms playing rogue rn
for tomorrow
river maple
does this make outlaw better than sub
frail veldt
but maybe trickster is easy enough idk
frail veldt
does this make outlaw better than sub
probably yeah in m+
in raid idk
depends on fight
slim hare
does this make outlaw better than sub
not on every boss but m+ for suree
frozen quest
!m33kauras
gaunt phoenix
type m33kauras in google and its the first result brotherman
agile orchid
if I use m33kauras, can I properly track implacable or the first dance?
tired rune
https://github.com/m33shoq/M33kAuras/releases
Just stole all of my cs2 skins
Clicking that
mystic berry
does this make outlaw better than sub
Some poor fool invited me to an egg rush raid, probably thought I was sub
slim hare
if I use m33kauras, can I properly track implacable or the first dance?
there is wa for implacable
dont know about first dance
balmy topaz
@gaunt phoenix do we build after ace refund with 2 points in it?
frozen quest
where do i look for wa`s on wago still?
slim hare
keep dooming we are weak and forced to play ks
slim hare
where do i look for wa`s on wago still?
yeah
agile orchid
just think of KS as a break to regen energy
slim hare
just think of KS as a break to regen energy
kill the rithms
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> do we build after ace refund with 2 points in it?
if you land at 5
you sometimes land at 6 tho
slim hare
you sometimes land at 6 tho
feels nice when it happens
mystic berry
The sub channel doesn't whine and bitch all day about buffs man
what would they even whine about? That their lobster is too buttery?
slim hare
what would they even whine about? That their lobster is too buttery?
im telling you
they whine sub is weak
have no niche
noo burst
nothing
keen belfry
agreed
frail veldt
nah
slim hare
i beg
keen belfry
but ithappens enoughwhere its good
mystic berry
If anything the chillest channel is assassin because they had reason to complain, unlike sub, yet are vibing
slim hare
but ithappens enoughwhere its good
yeah its good enough i love it but still would prefer that to be always so i dont have to think about it; make it easier for casual thats a good argument for blizzard no ?
keen belfry
i do fully agree ace resets should lead to ace as ur next gcd
cinder relic
what would they even whine about? That their lobster is too buttery?
Well considering rogue is still ass rn
Probably a decent amount?
mystic berry
true
gaunt phoenix
thats all you do, then in game you can /wa again
next shuttle
The outlaw changes are not implemented yet right? The pin makes it sound like they are out
cinder relic
On reset they will be
next shuttle
Ok, just making sure
frail veldt
The outlaw changes are not implemented yet right? The pin makes it sound like th...
the pin directly mentions 12.0.5 in the title
gaunt phoenix
its ok to ask questions
next shuttle
Yeah, but it says "Overall Outlaw is about ~13% stronger than it was yesterday."
frail veldt
oh
gaunt phoenix
i posted it early
next shuttle
I didn't know if the changes to classes were maybe implemented earlier than full patch release
frail veldt
ahead of the game
tranquil valley
Don't see any info suggesting otherwise, but do we know if top trinkets dramatically change at all with the swap to Trickster?
gaunt phoenix
no
merry elk
Just stole all of my cs2 skins
Titan holo, Titan Holo, titan holo, titan holo xd :))
upper hawk
ar rtb ans snd just before pull is like while countdown is still going?
hardy garden
Does anyone have any videos they'd recommend? Also what exactly is the 2 ace buff? The pin says new talent: "Cloud Cover" but we already have that no?
frozen quest
WTF M33kauras always snapshot rollback always my old weakauras
upper hawk
will the cloud of smoke aggro teh boss?
gaunt phoenix
ace is now 3%/6% for 4cp refund
cloud cover is reworked
buoyant cosmos
Has anyone else had their default combo point tracker just go missing mid pull?
gaunt phoenix
yeah another prep bte is too strong
Ace reset chance is really high now
ks is completely secondary, we can almost afford to remove ks
frail veldt
thats awesome
hardy garden
Oh thank god lol I was trying out the distract cloud cover and I was like damn this feels like shit
frail veldt
Has anyone else had their default combo point tracker just go missing mid pull?
yes
mine sometimes just freezes entirely
and stops updating
and I need to /reload
very annoying
gaunt phoenix
wangbar?
frail veldt
im literally using default
gaunt phoenix
nice..
buoyant cosmos
Default
frail veldt
blizz ui
frozen quest
how do i delete all my old weakauras?
buoyant cosmos
Super stupid
gaunt phoenix
you type /wa and they are there
right click > delete in there
frozen quest
im asking because everytime i logout or reload all gets snapped back
i cant delete them
upper hawk
so the trickster opener on wowhead is just way out of date right? wiht dispatch as first finisher and Kspree before BTE
random stirrup
this happened to me when i didnt replace the files properly
cinder relic
U have to delete them in ur actual addons folder
cinder relic
so the trickster opener on wowhead is just way out of date right? wiht dispatch ...
correct
Updating the entire guide after raid tn
frozen quest
oh damn where are they exactly ? in saved variables
gaunt phoenix
hm my old weakauras deleted properly
cinder relic
Its not way out of date, it's just, the patch isnt out yet
gaunt phoenix
update now !
copper radish
Wonder who writes it 🤔
short briar
why does icy veins say dispatch at 6 oor more cp and wowhead says 5 or more
gaunt phoenix
fatebound dispatches at 5, trickster does not
hardy garden
why does icy veins say dispatch at 6 oor more cp and wowhead says 5 or more
trickster vs fatebound
copper radish
Trickster rogues INC
upper hawk
if i'm not going to hit my 2nd AR until ~20 seconds in when the first cloud ends, should i just prep KSpree as well anyway? 5 more seconds probalby not going to cost a use?
short briar
fatebound dispatches at 5, trickster does not
says 5 or more even with trickster selected
frail veldt
HUGE
copper radish
Enjoy our one week of fun before nerfs
frail veldt
naaah
buoyant cosmos
Enjoy our one week of fun before nerfs
2 days
frail veldt
I dont think we'll get hit with nerfs cuz we still wont be crazy in raid
frail veldt
so were not gona be topping any fights I dont think
copper radish
I dont think we'll get hit with nerfs cuz we still wont be crazy in raid
PvP def 😭
frail veldt
and in m+ they really dont tend to care
frail veldt
PvP def 😭
yeah probably
though tbh its gona suck cuz trickster mobility in pvp is kinda piss
gaunt phoenix
if i'm not going to hit my 2nd AR until ~20 seconds in when the first cloud ends...
you should have already used prep in the first AR for another bte
so idkwym
short briar
and why does ks have higher prio in opener when bte has more prio in regular rotation
buoyant cosmos
@frail veldt have you tried an addon for your combo points yet?
upper hawk
or is immediately hitting prep for another bte and just keeping KS On cooldown still better since the cloud gives us the fazed we wanted KS for?
frail veldt
<@151872253229924352> have you tried an addon for your combo points yet?
no I like the default look
buoyant cosmos
I keep forgetting about the problem until surprise
upper hawk
i mean, like press ks in open after BTE stops resetting and then prep
gaunt phoenix
no you prep before ks
buoyant cosmos
I used nug forever
buoyant cosmos
Yeah me too, maybe once a week
gaunt phoenix
you bte > ...bte spam > prep bte
desert tendon
whenever i see mewo i bug, it's not that rare tbh
gaunt phoenix
ks still not used
desert tendon
cinder relic
and why does ks have higher prio in opener when bte has more prio in regular rot...
Because sometimes opener prio and rotational prio are different
But trickster was also underdeveloped TC wise up until like, right now because its just been worse
Everything will be updated tonight for reset
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix btw if you only tested st, in aoe cloud cover uptime is more important
Because the stacks don't even go away on secondary targets right
frail veldt
<@921608341048930304> btw if you only tested st, in aoe cloud cover uptime is mo...
yeah think we delay our second adr
vivid vessel
So you keep them even longer
frail veldt
cuz total 3 stack fazed duration is what like 20s?
frail veldt
will KS clear the 3 stack?
vivid vessel
for aoe i think
upper hawk
so if you have prep, do you not press ks for 40 seconds?
frail veldt
so if you have prep, do you not press ks for 40 seconds?
you could maybe press it in between
cuz youre gona adr and get to 3 again right after
vivid vessel
no well you press ks in adr
gaunt phoenix
you press KS during AR after bte is exhausted and then cancel it
frail veldt
wait whats the total fazed 3 stack duration?
its 20s total of cloud cover buff then 10s after that for debuff?
gaunt phoenix
20s + until natural refresh
vivid vessel
ye if you dont override it
which is why im syaing
in aoe
it last longer on secondary targets
frail veldt
so the cloud cover ability says "the effect lingers for 10s after touching the cloud"
but fazed also lasts 10s
or does the buff end when the cloud disappears
warm pelican
The effect of stacking 3x lasts 10s after cloud
vivid vessel
warm pelican
then fazed lasts 10s more
desert tendon
vivid vessel
frail veldt
yeah so 30s total of 3 stack if you dont clear it
gaunt phoenix
the effect is 'you reapplying fazed and it stacks to 3'
so after you leave the cloud you will still continually refresh fazed
vivid vessel
yeah so 30s total of 3 stack if you dont clear it
yes
so in aoe basiclaly
secondary targets last 30s
vivid vessel
nah but
frail veldt
and def dont press KS during the 10s period after the cloud cover buff
vivid vessel
you would wait 20s for the first one i think
but then after that second adr
no way you press ks
if its gonna clear
vivid vessel
yes
frail veldt
cloud lasts 10s, buff lasts 10s from the last time you touched the cloud, fazed lasts another 10s
but adr is 15
so you can ks after adr
during those 5s
that you still have the buff
keen belfry
so what u wanna KS during the 10s after cloud ends probs?
keen belfry
if u press it before AR odds are it comes up when u still have good debuffs out
frail veldt
do we want to delay adr for 15s to maximize 3 stack fazed on first pull of dungeon?
2nd adr
random stirrup
i was gonna ask that but it seems mega troll no
waxen scarab
what the
random stirrup
thats a lot of ar cdr
keen belfry
you only delay it a few seconds
keen belfry
but ur in adr so
vivid vessel
you basically didnt prep it then
frail veldt
hmm
gaunt phoenix
hold on chefs
vivid vessel
i think its prolly fine to delay 5s in aoe
frail veldt
chefs pause
vivid vessel
for the first one
random stirrup
and even if you hold 5s then you're just maxxing uptime on the main guy
keen belfry
yes just delay it a few seconds in aoe
vivid vessel
and then after 2nd adr dont ks
random stirrup
is it that important
vivid vessel
in aoe again
keen belfry
use that downtime to press KS
outer meteor
is there any tech for 1st boss on npx
ashen void
outer meteor
to make the lines not spawn during the detonation
keen belfry
and then after 2nd adr dont ks
yup
bright lodge
I'm honestly thinking about upgrading this to myth. Any downsides?
keen belfry
no cap if ks removes the good fazed stacks in aoe if used after cloud it sounds like even worse in aoe hehe
frail veldt
no cap if ks removes the good fazed stacks in aoe if used after cloud it sounds ...
p sure it does
any reapplication will reset it to 1
keen belfry
it do im on peter rn
gaunt phoenix
do you think bonus roll guide should be
- pit of saron
- mythic top 3 trinkets
- the rest
or do you think mythic trinkets are worth the 2 rolls
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix i think beloren is very value roll
keen belfry
do you think bonus roll guide should be
1. pit of saron
2. mythic top 3 trinket...
chimmy has bis belt chest trinket
gaunt phoenix
ah
vivid vessel
rest of the bosses its kinda a bit more questionable
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix also in raid ilvl is higher so
keen belfry
yes i have the belt
crown is a pretty good roll too
crit haste sword, legs for tier, meh boots, triket and neck
gaunt phoenix
i mean pit of saron has wrist, belt, dagger, ring, neck, and cloak
river maple
Is bonus loot chim only if u can do mythic ?
gaunt phoenix
no
vivid vessel
i mean pit of saron has wrist, belt, dagger, ring, neck, and cloak
its lower ilvl tho
gaunt phoenix
it is
cinder relic
But you do get 2 of them
cinder relic
Yeah but theres like sub 200 ppl who have killed mythic beloren
vivid vessel
crown is also very good
cinder relic
You think the ppl who have killed beloren mythic are checking a wowhead guide to see what to bonus roll
keen belfry
i mean its hard to give advice on what to roll
cinder relic
I agree
gaunt phoenix
it is
cinder relic
Theres no right answer
keen belfry
the post should just be a general thing to maybe do kinda sometimes if u wanna maybe
cuz like for most ppl chimmy is giga boss to roll
for zac its not
grave rose
Its obviously very dependent on what you are clearing.
keen belfry
and what gear u have
gaunt phoenix
i agree the crests are important cuz u need infinite crests this tier
keen belfry
mhm
like i only plan on pit of saron farming once im literally jsut about done with gearing i think
cuz ring and neck
unique fulcrum
can u upgrade hc trinkets to mythic?
gaunt phoenix
no
frail veldt
yeah def very much depends on how much mythic raid someone is doing
grave rose
i think the biggest difference is whether or not someone is mythic raiding.
ashen void
it sounds like the bonus roll voidcore will be available tomorrow. but will the wep/trink ilvl boost voidcore even be available tomorrow or does it have addtl time gate?
frail veldt
like for people who arent mythic raiding, dungeons are def bis value
even if you can pug some lower bosses
gaunt phoenix
you have to do the 3 voidcore quest again
frail veldt
not sure what exactly is puggable
gaunt phoenix
then you upgrade
keen belfry
it sounds like the bonus roll voidcore will be available tomorrow. but will the ...
yeah i think so too, i dont think we are upgrading tomorrow
gaunt phoenix
so yes you can roll and upgrade tomorrow
ashen void
gaunt phoenix
as far as im aware
grave rose
like for people who arent mythic raiding, dungeons are def bis value
I think the heroic raid trinks beat out the mythic dungeon ones
unique fulcrum
so if i get hc bird trinket next ID , i could upgrade it to mythic?
gaunt phoenix
no you should upgrade your weapon to 298
grave rose
so if i get hc bird trinket next ID , i could upgrade it to mythic?
No, but you should be able to spend a spark to do so. imo
wishful thinking
gaunt phoenix
am i wrong?
grave rose
i wonder how much better a myth weapon is than crafted
sub 1% im sure
gaunt phoenix
crafted weapon can also go to 298 afaik
green gull
Was there any data on how common the upgrade items are? Like is it similar to catalyst charges?
cinder relic
I think writing all the explinations like this seems good
upper hawk
crafted go to 295
random stirrup
Was there any data on how common the upgrade items are? Like is it similar to ca...
pretty much all they said was this "Upon completing this warband-wide journey, players may begin acquiring Ascendant Voidcores from Midnight Season 1 endgame content including raids, Mythic+ dungeons, Bountiful Delves, and Nightmare difficulty Prey Hunts."
and it was not on ptr
they are vagueposting
cinder relic
Probably similar to catalyst charges?
gaunt phoenix
NA will beta test it
random stirrup
the language is very similar to catalyst charges
"Acquiring a class set 4-piece bonus now unlocks a character-specific Feat of Strength that will enable Catalyst charges to drop from raid bosses, Mythic+, Bountiful Delves, and Rated PvP on that character for the remainder of the season."
green gull
crafted weapon can also go to 298 afaik
Pretty sure they are still are 1 upgrade lower
gaunt phoenix
i see
random stirrup
but who really knows
gaunt palm
Couldn't droptimizer just include an expected gain from rerolling based on the DPS gain from an item pool, and the chance of you getting an item you can use? (based on previous rerolls, etc)
random stirrup
i think we know that you need to collect 5 little shards to upgrade to a big shard
grave rose
I think writing all the explinations like this seems good
i dont know that bonus rolling for those trinkets is a waste. at mythic level i think the dungeon trinkets are worse than heroic raid?
random stirrup
that u use to upgrade
cinder relic
Couldn't droptimizer just include an expected gain from rerolling based on the D...
You are getting into like
like the answer is like, MAYBE????
but like
Theres way too many like
You need to actually understand the game a bit
near rock
Pretty sure they are still are 1 upgrade lower
I believe crafted is 295, 6/6 myth is 298, 1ilvl closer than now
cinder relic
And not just outsource literally all gamesense questions to the bot
These bonus rolls legit need you to make value judgements imo
gaunt phoenix
just like the good ole days
random stirrup
And not just outsource literally all gamesense questions to the bot
guy i strongly think loot decisions are like only loosely related to simming
cinder relic
I think old bonus rolls were easier to just like
"use on the boss that drops cantrip items/trinkets"
random stirrup
i barely use raidbots this tier
cinder relic
The fact that dungeons have 2 bonus rolls and raids get 1 make it so much more complicated
Idt the bot can just "math this value judgement" out
random stirrup
any vault decision or rcloot decision is just way more dependent on potential alternatives and where you can get stuff
the same for bonus rolls
cinder relic
i dont know that bonus rolling for those trinkets is a waste. at mythic level i...
Worse case scenario you are spending 8 bonus rolls to get 1 trinket
and then 3 piece of shit loot
unique fulcrum
just flip a coin before every decision like a true outlaw player and go with it
keen belfry
ill probbaly roll until mythic gaze, then just spam crown of cosmos if we reclear it
cinder relic
vs you could have literally bottomed out the entierty of pit of saron full mythic
gaunt phoenix
yea mythic pit should be ahead of heroic raid
keen belfry
yes non mythic raiders should spam pit probs
random stirrup
pit only has 6 items for outlaw loot spec too
hearty edge
only
cinder relic
Dagger is bis
gaunt phoenix
and literally all 6 are good
random stirrup
ye the dagger is bis if you need it
cinder relic
Literally the entire loot table is good 
random stirrup
you can full clean out the dungeon vs still have nothing to show from rolling on chimaerus for 3 weeks
if u miss on gaze
gaunt palm
Idt the bot can just "math this value judgement" out
Ofc you can math out the expected DPS gain, but value judgements are different because they depend on what you need the loot for. Hitting a DPS check next raid, or trying to maximize your chances of getting bis gear.
frozen quest
@vivid vessel head good for outlaw? 😄
unique fulcrum
i really hope i get mythic gaze in my vault so i dont have to thjink too much abut the bonus rolls
keen belfry
i really hope i get mythic gaze in my vault so i dont have to thjink too much ab...
same
upper hawk
and that bonus roll, it only knows what you've gotten from previous bonus rolls? Like if i have some heroic other shit from dreamrift already in my inventory, it doesn't take that into account and i could get it again?
unique fulcrum
i thjink hc rolling is such a biat
cuz anyone can clear 10s for sure
and get a mythic item
grave rose
i thjink hc rolling is such a biat
if the dungeon trinkets didnt suck
comparatively speaking
grave rose
a heroic gaze outsims a mythic solarflare
unique fulcrum
but imma have to sim again when trickster
upper hawk
i don't think i'd do it on this character but on my mage, raid trinkets on champion are better than dungeon trinkets on mythic, much less raid trinkets on heroic
grave rose
the dungeon trinkets are pretty shit
upper hawk
or maybe i'll just mythic raid. is dreamrift puggable?
unique fulcrum
yesa it is
grave rose
or maybe i'll just mythic raid. is dreamrift puggable?
it is, sorta.
unique fulcrum
and its getting MUCH easier each week
cinder relic
This seems good
unique fulcrum
i pugged it before i even killed it with my guild
unique fulcrum
This seems good
i think the part with later mythic bosses won't apply to 99% of people tbh
cedar kernel
i saw we have a new talent about reset all CDs, i want to know the rules how do we use it
cinder relic
i think the part with later mythic bosses won't apply to 99% of people tbh
Thats why I write that asterisk
teal agate
I think rolling in M+ in general is just better because 3 slots in vault across every M+ item is shit compared to being able to go to the dungeon you want 2-3 times a week for a myth track item you want
cinder relic
I think rolling in M+ in general is just better because 3 slots in vault across ...
But again, crest saves
Idk abt u guys, but getting 2 pieces of 1/6 loot does nothing for me
Vs getting 20+ crest save potentially
fluid meadow
imagine farming seat head slot with bonus rolls, just 11 loot in the dungeon, how can they do that
unique fulcrum
well yeah u clear mythic every week, so its abit diff for you
keen belfry
ppl need to know from dragons and onward, you save A LOT of crests looting from them
i mean guys imagine u loot a 289 neck from mythic cosmos
thats what, 100 crests saved?
cinder relic
well yeah u clear mythic every week, so its abit diff for you
Yeah thats what I mean it super depends
keen belfry
literally a week ahead
teal agate
Like if my guild was killing cosmo or balerion mythic I would probably save, but they arent
unique fulcrum
i think my plan is chimmy until gaze, then spam crown
imagine getting the other trinket 🙂
upper hawk
i do race to world last. and not 9/9 last. like 5/9 last
gaunt palm
I guess even if you roll an item you dont need, but its on a later mythic boss, atleast you get the crest save from it
keen belfry
imagine getting the other trinket 🙂
gonna be me today
keen belfry
ye same
unique fulcrum
i know for sure gaze is gonna be my last item from rolls
keen belfry
im GM of my guild so i cant get gaze if it drops cuz rigged
keen belfry
iill just yoink it i think
unique fulcrum
thats the only way
random stirrup
Vs getting 20+ crest save potentially
are you not floating crests? actually curious if you have gotten a lot of loot as rogue
ember fractal
guys when 12.0.5 release ?
cinder relic
are you not floating crests? actually curious if you have gotten a lot of loot a...
I mean uve seen my loot
All the gear I get is like 2/6 lol
So thats where all my crests go
random stirrup
crafted items so expensive
vivid vessel
are you not floating crests? actually curious if you have gotten a lot of loot a...
im 282 rn, with one mythic crafted
cinder relic
I only have 2 crafted
random stirrup
sandbagging so op
vivid vessel
spent it all
vivid vessel
low simma
cinder relic
I've literally had to upgrade everything from dirt
Both trinkets 2/6
weapon craft + upgrade the other from 2/6
helmet 2/6
random stirrup
ye the real save was not upping crafted items
fathom bramble
crafted legs instead of a boe definitely doesn't help
random stirrup
im 280 but i have 259 weapon still and 263 trinket
i craft 272 on reset and if i get trinket from vault
we go super sky ilvl
inner sky
Anyone have any gameplay clips with the new build by chance? Specifically in M+ would be beauty
unique fulcrum
tomorrow u gonna have a bunch of em
random stirrup
too poor for boe...
unique fulcrum
but don't we want set legs?
inner sky
tomorrow u gonna have a bunch of em
Oh for sure, just figured maybe a streamer played some PTR
unique fulcrum
Oh for sure, just figured maybe a streamer played some PTR
ive not seen anything yet so i doubt it
cinder relic
crafted legs instead of a boe definitely doesn't help
I crafted before boes were open trade bruc
fathom bramble
unlucky
cinder relic
It was biggest upgrade for the week
inner sky
Shin diggle take his spot?
cinder relic
No
inner sky
I was jokin
cinder relic
I see his chat. Some ppl be posting crazy things in there sometimes
random stirrup
maybe i request gaze from rcloot this reset
now that we are on the bosses rogue is actually gonna do damage on
(ignore we've only dropped like 1 total)
actually beloren plume surely goes to me
merry elk
https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-traitor-star-wars-gif-16767158544211392703
I low key liked the star wars 7-8-9 didnt think it was as bad as ppl said. Then again i'm a huge stor wors fan xd
gaunt palm
If the fartcloud buff is ~10% gain, and we have ~50% adr uptime, would it be correct to say that our dmg is ~20% higher during adr?
keen belfry
u guys ready to sit on KS for even longer cuz u have good fazeddebuffs out but not in fartcloud?
banger gameplay incoming!
random stirrup
blessed gameplay because you aren't casting KS
keen belfry
i wodner if we will drop it in aoe
random stirrup
it give cdr via coup for more clouds though
random stirrup
ye u just dont use it then duh
restive zenith
Us main rogues (like +24k hours played rogues) and combat/outlaw, have such a turbulent relationship.
I don't know what the concensus is, but Roll the Bones feels worse than it ever has. I'd prefer Legion RtB over this.
Do I KiR on 2 pair? Is that the play?
keen belfry
kinda
keen belfry
hold for the river
inner sky
I see his chat. Some ppl be posting crazy things in there sometimes
Oh sry dude, ya wasnt throwing any shade at all
buoyant stratus
I see his chat. Some ppl be posting crazy things in there sometimes
Why no rogue who is foreverguy? Tyrant officer????
placid ocean
What
restive zenith
Do I see Outlaw in 20 keys because they are doing 8+ target count pulls? I was trying to explain how target capped and aoe damage cap are not the same to someone, but they were convinced Outlaw damage was bad no matter what.
cinder relic
Oh sry dude, ya wasnt throwing any shade at all
LOL none taken dw
still matrix
what are you guys sending bonus rolls on?
inner sky
Do I see Outlaw in 20 keys because they are doing 8+ target count pulls? I was t...
Helps that zacs a legend?
still matrix
I want a myth dagger...
fair topaz
just read the new opener - why don't we build to bte again after prep and build to ks instead?
placid ocean
Do I see Outlaw in 20 keys because they are doing 8+ target count pulls? I was t...
The tank in my key group seems to think outlaw is the best rogue spec because one outlaw rogue has the highest key done out of all rogue specs.
upper hawk
how come my fatebound sim right now goes down by almost 5% if I turn on ptr=1? the ace change that big or is the talent not registering since it changed?
vivid vessel
you need to take 2 points into ace
gaunt phoenix
just read the new opener - why don't we build to bte again after prep and build ...
oop
restive zenith
The tank in my key group seems to think outlaw is the best rogue spec because on...
Boy are they going to be dissapointed. But yea, I have seen a lot more outlaw running around since it made an appearance in high keys. And I am sure they are all learning a hard lesson.
gaunt phoenix
i forgor
keen belfry
Boy are they going to be dissapointed. But yea, I have seen a lot more outlaw ru...
so wanna know something weird
we are better at high target pulls than low target pulls
do with that what u will
restive zenith
do with that what u will
WAIT WUT?
gaunt phoenix
it's true, we are good at 8
we are not good at 2-3 or way more than 8
still matrix
Do you ever roll a bonus roll in a dung at all even? i feel like the chance to get something dogshit is so high especially in seat/pit that drops bis pieces the loot poool is massive in seat, maybe pit for ring/dagger/neck/cape isnt bad
formal thunder
we're kinda good as soon as we can get full cps from one BF, right?
devout garden
The tank in my key group seems to think outlaw is the best rogue spec because on...
Thats cuz we have dedicated players that do phys comps
Stats kinda inflated
gaunt phoenix
Do you ever roll a bonus roll in a dung at all even? i feel like the chance to g...
for outlaw, the entire pit of saron loot pool is good
restive zenith
we are better at high target pulls than low target pulls
Back to my original hypothesis that they are doing high target pulls where outlaw crushes it. And then on a ST boss we kinda just, suck our thumbs.
formal thunder
and then get fucked by hard cap when we go over 8 again
keen belfry
it's true, we are good at 8
we are not good at 2-3 or way more than 8
i wonder when we starting being bad at high count, what number. cuz i think we are pretty good at like 12 mobs
placid ocean
Thats cuz we have dedicated players that do phys comps
My group is missing the warrior and shaman for the phys comp. It hurts
devout garden
My group is missing the warrior and shaman for the phys comp. It hurts
Same
keen belfry
Back to my original hypothesis that they are doing high target pulls where outla...
we dont crush high target pulls, i guess it depends on what u consider high target pulls. like algethar isnt good for us
gaunt phoenix
how come my fatebound sim right now goes down by almost 5% if I turn on ptr=1? t...
some of the old spec aura tuning is not exactly transfered to ptr servers yet
keen belfry
Back to my original hypothesis that they are doing high target pulls where outla...
and we blast ST bosses
sorry business u may have gone 0/2
restive zenith
we dont crush high target pulls, i guess it depends on what u consider high targ...
Every pull being exactly 8 targets.
still matrix
for outlaw, the entire pit of saron loot pool is good
yer but wrists/belt/legs are so easy to get that 3 pieces are like instantly not great
keen belfry
Every pull being exactly 8 targets.
this isnt how u pull a dungeon tbh
placid ocean
and we blast ST bosses
We do?
restive zenith
this isnt how u pull a dungeon tbh
Oh I know
still matrix
legs is a boe, wrists drop of like first 3 bosses, neck off saladhar,
placid ocean
Hmm
restive zenith
TOMORROW
placid ocean
we will be doing 100k dps st tomorrow in keys
Oh you mean with trickster after patch, not now?
keen belfry
Oh you mean with trickster after patch, not now?
i blast bosses right now
we are going to be giga st on reset
restive zenith
i blast bosses right now
logs
placid ocean
i blast bosses right now
Ok but you're good at the game
placid ocean
I am not a very accomplished pianist and my old man hands hurt
gaunt phoenix
yer but wrists/belt/legs are so easy to get that 3 pieces are like instantly not...
it should be mythic chimaerus/beloren/crown > mythic pit > heroic raid
balmy topaz
if you land at 5
tyty
upper hawk
some of the old spec aura tuning is not exactly transfered to ptr servers yet
does that mean the ptr sim for trickster is also low?
gaunt phoenix
the old spec tuning didnt change fatebound vs trickster
so the difference between them doesnt change
keen belfry
my point is outlaw st in keys is really high, and its getting higher on tuesday
gaunt phoenix
it's still a control to see how the cloud cover changes it
upper hawk
what i'm saying is, if the ptr flag is makeing my fatebound sim like 3% low because it's missing aura, doesn't that mean the much bigger trickster number is also 3% low?
gaunt phoenix
ye, they are both lower by the same amount
still matrix
it should be mythic chimaerus/beloren/crown > mythic pit > heroic raid
I wont be getting to mythic beloren or crown for a while so guess im sending pit.. as sub..
reef forge
my point is outlaw st in keys is really high, and its getting higher on tuesday
oof my ST is ass
cinder relic
Do you ever roll a bonus roll in a dung at all even? i feel like the chance to g...
Most dungeons probably not but pit is insane for loot
restive zenith
Most dungeons probably not but pit is insane for loot
I like dat thic neck.
still matrix
ring, neck, dagger all big for me yer
river wing
Do you ever roll a bonus roll in a dung at all even? i feel like the chance to g...
pit is good
if you get legs, cata them
ring, neck, dagger, wrists all good
peak dock
Most dungeons probably not but pit is insane for loot
What if i already have 3 out of 6 possible pit loot? 
keen belfry
oof my ST is ass
raid buffs + good play and u will blast
river wing
meanwhile something like AA is trash lootwise for law
keen belfry
atleast play with a sham and monk
gaunt phoenix
yes
peak dock
Best dungeon to spend voidcores? Pit right?
I think pit>npx>skyreach
gaunt phoenix
mythic chimaerus/beloren/crown > mythic pit > heroic raid
coral wyvern
I think pit>npx>skyreach
Nexus point? I guess cause rings?
nova blaze
if im on 25% haste and 40% crit should i lean more into mastery or vers ?
coral wyvern
Sky reach seems sad cause only the trinket is usable
gaunt phoenix
vers, but raidbots would still know
cinder relic
What if i already have 3 out of 6 possible pit loot? <:feelsyarrman:491988550024...
On myth track?
peak dock
Nexus point? I guess cause rings?
Bis mace, 1 ring, chest and gloves
keen belfry
i do relaly wish tricskter could talent into find an openeing
peak dock
On myth track?
Yeah 😑
cinder relic
LOL
nova blaze
vers, but raidbots would still know
dont got the item yet dont wanna grab all the items from raidnight 😄
cinder relic
Those bonus rolls r gonna give duplicates
gaunt phoenix
fair
peak dock
I mean i have myth pants myth belt pit and Nexus ring+crafted ring so that fucks up with half pit's loot table
buoyant stratus
i wonder when we starting being bad at high count, what number. cuz i think we a...
Worst outlaw key and why is it probably magisters terrace? go
keen belfry
its seat for sure
if ur tank has the +20 kira devdh aug route giga timer rio +20 kira warrior route
u are going to do 0 dmg
peak dock
if ur tank has the +20 kira devdh aug route giga timer rio +20 kira warrior rout...
Ty god my tank is stupid
eternal hound
Worst outlaw key and why is it probably magisters terrace? go
I find terrace fine for law
*aside from how awful those spellbreakers are&
static crescent
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upper hawk
how am I ever going to make room in my keybinds for killing spree
i guess i could move cooking
dull geyser
no more slight of hand sucks ://
prisma lantern
no more slight of hand sucks ://
You get so tricky though.
Prepare for all the pug invites from tanks running their own keys.
Tanks love that shit.
dull geyser
true BUT killing spree 
quartz magnet
!log
placid ocean
my point is outlaw st in keys is really high, and its getting higher on tuesday
What kind of dmg do you do on bosses generally?
buoyant stratus
if ur tank has the +20 kira devdh aug route giga timer rio +20 kira warrior rout...
Are people just not doing the china route
Its like 8 targets max at all times
buoyant stratus
Xd so bad routing
keen belfry
people are just scared of the big guys after trio boss
short briar
are we gonna be pplaying prep with changes
keen belfry
are we gonna be pplaying prep with changes
we arlready are, but now we are for sure for sure
short briar
wat are u changing for it
buoyant stratus
charr canu get me a key
Busy rn bruv sry
past falcon
awang washed confiremd
keen belfry
awang washed confiremd
this was really uncalled for
buoyant stratus
Hehe xd
past falcon
sorry lil cuh
buoyant stratus
Bro i still need magjster 19 xd
keen belfry
im so done rn i literally cant even rn
buoyant stratus
Missing pit 21 by 1 minute and timing skyreach nexus 20 before magister 19
XdDDfFDD
keen belfry
Bro i still need magjster 19 xd
i need pit of sadam, azerbaijan academy,. i already got my spires of iraq done
quaint mauve
19 last 3 19s
come do my aa 20
quaint mauve
sike
keen belfry
im alsoso excited
for aoe stop to be back
do you know how annoying it is to have to ST stop these leech adds
outer meteor
i actually cannot time 19s
just bricked to the most dumb shit ever
and back to resil 18 jail
haha!
keen belfry
19s are hard
first key level where u cant just game, but u kinda can
u gotta game game
still smelt
Fps so low in raid on my high end computer and every settings set to the minimum
I dont understand why and its affecting a lot my gameplay with drops at 15/20 fps
Andy suggestions ?
outer meteor
19s are hard
its mainly just lfg boss
i have only tried like 4 19s
and all were my keys
ashen void
u gotta game game
gangang
placid ocean
My group has been only doing 10's and now they're complaining about keys being too easy
frail veldt
My group has been only doing 10's and now they're complaining about keys being t...
do they know you can go past 10?
placid ocean
They're learning
keen belfry
forrest never invites me
placid ocean
I think we're going to finally start pushing past 10 this week
cinder relic
Fps so low in raid on my high end computer and every settings set to the minimum...
What's Ur processor?
How many addons r u running
still smelt
What's Ur processor?
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core
still smelt
How many addons r u running
zac ui + windtool
midnight ridge
this snd action after ar is for every pull or just prekey?
frail veldt
Fps so low in raid on my high end computer and every settings set to the minimum...
I ran into an issue recently where to shut down my pc I always do "shut down" but by default windows has fast boot on which means the commit memory doesnt get cleared and is written to a file an reallocated when the machine comes back up. Which means if anything has a memory leak it will compoudn over time
cinder relic
U should reinstall the game
frail veldt
and for weeks my game has been running awful
but then I just did a "restart" which actually clears commited memory
and boom
game runs amazing again
might not be your issue but worth checking
tender breach
preperation is used on cooldown when AR is on cooldown?
cinder relic
Is this some win11 shit
frail veldt
if you go to task manager and under the performance tab click on memory and check how much of your memory is commited
frail veldt
Is this some win11 shit
nope windows 10
cinder relic
Weird
still smelt
Worth trying both
frozen quest
anyone knows do i need to have these 2 enabled? standard was off?
for what is that?
frail veldt
so I think midnight might have some memory leaks that were compounding
keen belfry
but then I just did a "restart" which actually clears commited memory
wym a restart
keen belfry
did u nver turn off pc?
frail veldt
to resume upon startup
keen belfry
oh i see
frail veldt
I did shut down
still smelt
if you go to task manager and under the performance tab click on memory and chec...
37% as of right now out of game
gaunt phoenix
preperation is used on cooldown when AR is on cooldown?
Mostly yes
still smelt
11.8/31.7
gaunt phoenix
sometimes you wanna hold prep for the next pull or boss
frail veldt
yeah then might not be your issue
worth checking though
mine was like almost entirely committed so game was running super poorly
if you get an addon like ellesui it has a button that will go through and set a bunch of video settings for you for "optimal" fps
still smelt
anything special to do before a clean instal of the game ?
tender breach
@gaunt phoenix Im the 52 year old player that wants things simple so mostly is fine for me. Thnxz solo
gaunt phoenix
cinder relic
There's some files u wanna save like the wtf folder or smthing right
I always forget the ones u wanna keep
keen belfry
itsn ot a percent
how u check
keen belfry
thoughts?
cinder relic
anything special to do before a clean instal of the game ?
Back wtf and interface
frail veldt
youre chillin prob then
mine was like 112/127.1gb
if you want to check how much ram is committed to wow itself you can go to details page and right clikc the top and add a column for "commit size"
which will then show how much total ram is commited to the wow exe itself
in case youre worried something is using up a lot in game
my symptoms were like input delay of keyboard inputs and stuff when in silvermoon
was awful
still smelt
having this in raid and in large pulls in keys tho
frail veldt
some other stuff you could try is updating your graphics drivers
still smelt
gonna check everything after a fresh install and a reboot
I've the latest from the 16th
still smelt
Like 3 weeks ago, iirc remaining outlaw and first did raid with it was like garbage fps
long barn
Crazy you guys are talking about this. I did a fresh install and it literally fixed all my problems. Slow degradation of fps in keys, twitchy frames, memory leak shit, and I use like 3 addons which I disabled and it didn’t fix it before.
tender breach
is there any simpler alternative leavin out Killing Spree to lighten the rotation? (one less button) with a 2-3% loss perhaps
cinder relic
U can just untalent ks for a 2% loss if you want
tender breach
and replace it with what?
prisma lantern
Whatever you like. You're taking the loss regardless
tender breach
sleight of hand perhaps to hlp KIR
dim parrot
keen belfry
imagine if they just buffed energy holy moly
tender breach
yeah and SD is a dps gain
frail veldt
yep
tender breach
I'll have to sim
frail veldt
so kinda just preference
tbh our talents are pretty flexible rn
compared to the past
fervent garden
<@921608341048930304> Im the 52 year old player that wants things simple so most...
Ha. Another 52 year old. I thought I was the only geezer that hangs around here.
tender breach
nah i play since vanilla and outlaw only
fervent garden
same here. combat rogue forever.
tender breach
raidbots is updated to run the sims?
gaunt phoenix
Not yet
tender breach
@gaunt phoenix and as I read KIR ing on+2 stage like fatebound is<1% loss right?
long barn
Solo, does it makes sense to try and move around with BF in 12.0.5 to apply the fazed debuffs with cloud to try and spread the fazed prior to BR?
vivid vessel
@random stirrup most damage i did on egg for now was when i failed everything and had to blades > box