They won’t let you outlaw let’s be real
#outlaw
random stirrup
i told them i was playing it for dragons and they just said they trust me so idk
valid tartan
Then they gave it to the hunter?
vivid vessel
yes
valid tartan
Jebaited
vivid vessel
that is true
but hunter got it in hc
that means i will get the one on mythic when it drops when we kill tomorrow
ez?
valid tartan
So true
vivid vessel
idk im juiced up bro
cinder relic
I'm 280
vivid vessel
im 282
cinder relic
Only gear is from vault + scraps
vivid vessel
you are washed up
belt is also mythic
i just odnt have enough crests to upgrade anything
random stirrup
they giving u loot you can't upgrade 
shadow trellis
Would you drop mastery if you could or are you fine
vivid vessel
ye i can totally drop mastery if i remove tier set
vivid vessel
play 0 p
cinder relic
i have god trinkets but like
Literally picking pennies between the couch cushions over here
shadow trellis
owww
ocean wind
foreverguy about to make me swap from sub to outlaw for raid 🙁
shadow trellis
your off piece is on head
cinder relic
foreverguy about to make me swap from sub to outlaw for raid 🙁
I think u should only play outlaw if u can actually play outlaw
And are on lura
random stirrup
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qSiDaMQXhshEC2Q2PW8B5a
u lead me by 2k now
cinder relic
beloren is still a sub/sin boss
vivid vessel
and i have been progging as sub for hard bosses for now
will see what to do for lura
weary goblet
Literally picking pennies between the couch cushions over here
at least you won't throw/pick up coins on reset
-# trickster 
cinder relic
even when I do swap outlaw I need to get so much gear 
vivid vessel
kinda nutty
vivid vessel
no you dont
random stirrup
dont u play guidon
vivid vessel
mythic guidon prolly better than the trinket i have yes
cinder relic
U want alleria trinket
random stirrup
guidon is good tho
vivid vessel
there is not a huge diff
shadow trellis
Myth guidon fine for Law??
craggy barn
skyreach trinket?
craggy barn
oof
fathom bramble
just bonus roll it
vivid vessel
i want alleria trinket for keys
fathom bramble
100% chance to get it
random stirrup
its legitimately over
fathom bramble
if you believe hard enough
jolly geyser
How much agi does mythic gaze give?
keen belfry
i will bonos roll it on teusdya
random stirrup
its not gonna happen
frail veldt
so the whole reroll thing is kinda shit for people who dont clear mythic every week
last season it was nice cuz you just had to kill it once
slim hare
yep
random stirrup
ppl will have to buy sales 4 times now ye
vivid vessel
you will roll 5 times on a boss and not get your item
vivid vessel
yes
slim hare
you are right
frail veldt
the rerolls on dungeons can only roll hero right?
slim hare
and not really
random stirrup
the rerolls on dungeons can only roll hero right?
no is 1/6 myth
vivid vessel
myuthic in keys
glass mortar
no they roll myth track in dungeons
frail veldt
oh that parts nice ig
glass mortar
its worse for targeting select gear
frail veldt
thats probably the only good part
slim hare
you can get 2 myth piece / week while doing 10
craggy barn
mplus is vault reward reroll
random stirrup
its very big for gearing fotm reroll alt
glass mortar
but better for just overall getting gear
random stirrup
since the tokens stack
glass mortar
substantially better
random stirrup
you buy like 10 myth pieces
frail veldt
its worse for targeting select gear
isnt that the whole point of these systems though
glass mortar
meaning u'll have gotten around 2 dinars worth of items
glass mortar
over a much longer period of time prob
cinder relic
bro my vault is just so fried
No alleria
No beloren
Whats the point of even opening the vault atp
craggy barn
+20 ilvl
glass mortar
they moved away from directly picking ur bis piece and more towards raw gearing strength
frank finch
you get to choose the bonus roll thing on reset
glass mortar
experiment ig
slim hare
yeah
frail veldt
they moved away from directly picking ur bis piece and more towards raw gearing ...
yeah I dont like that ig
glass mortar
i prefer dinar system for sure
slim hare
might not be that bad
cinder relic
vendors are lame
frail veldt
I like guaranteed things once you play enough
glass mortar
but this system kinda kicks ass for alts if u keep them up with it
just get like 2+ extra myth track items a week guarenteed
frail veldt
theres gona be so many posts
of people using it
and not getting the item til the very last piece on the table
lol
slim hare
ofc
frail veldt
def a feelsbad system
cinder relic
wait ur telling me blizzrad is going to do a thing, and people are going to complain?
That cant be right
slim hare
i bet im one of those
frail veldt
yeah I guess complain more than they did about the previous system
classic blizz
take a system
and make it worse
for no reason
slim hare
its not worse
jolly geyser
I just got mostly gold on old bonus rolls
vivid vessel
vendors arent lame
slim hare
it different and try to do a different thing
frail veldt
and guy gives us shit for complaining about actual issues
cinder relic
Do you just pretend to be dumb as a fulltime gig or what
frail veldt
its called a joke
cinder relic
bad joke
frail veldt
cuz you were the butt
echo tapir
but m+ is devaluing heroic raid!
vivid vessel
!ban @cinder relic stop insulting people
frail veldt
rofl
glass mortar
have they said how many of these we are even gunna get btw
for all we know we r gunna get like 40
and ur gunna gewt to full clear 4 bosses loot tables if u really wanna
slim hare
40 is huge
glass mortar
by the end of the season
frail veldt
and ur gunna gewt to full clear 4 bosses loot tables if u really wanna
yeah I think maybe they didnt like that the old system didnt force people to reclear
gotta up that playtime
wintry solar
Need less vendors, less gear, and more grind
jolly geyser
Need a vendor to get a vendor to spawn in,behind rep grind
slim hare
"vendors are lame", HAVE YOU LOOK AT DELVES ?
frail veldt
have you looked at pvp
keen belfry
my issue witht he system is for bad guilds who probably wont kill crown 4-5 times
how do i get my piece!~
slim hare
yep
frail veldt
my issue witht he system is for bad guilds who probably wont kill crown 4-5 time...
imagine having to reclear a boss while youre trying to prog just cuz one person in your guild needs to spend their token lol
cinder relic
"vendors are lame", HAVE YOU LOOK AT DELVES ?
The devs have talked about how they wait to avoid using vendors for PvE gear because it just doesn't feel the same to "do content, get a currency, and then just spend it on gear" vs the item just dropping
keen belfry
yuh
i mean im pretty sure my guild is gonna have to kill the dragons boss like 5 times
cinder relic
While yes, it "feels bad" to not get loot, it sort of kills the whole like, "hype" of actually getting loot to drop
frail veldt
I think at a point in the season the hype is kinda worn off
and its mostly just frustration
slim hare
yeah
cinder relic
Bro we aren't even like
Hof isn't even full
we have so much time before the season is over gear wise
frail veldt
im not saying now would have it worn off
im saying the tokens usually come in when its worn off
like past .7 patch
where most of the stuff is done
cinder relic
But it isn't this time
frail veldt
and youre just trying to get bis so you dont have to feel like youre missing 2% dps anymore
vivid vessel
idc im already full gear anyway
random stirrup
i do wish .5 was maybe week 1 later
slim hare
it is
vivid vessel
easy enough
cinder relic
Its happening sooner
random stirrup
its a bit early
cinder relic
thats why its weaker
slim hare
its not really sooner
wintry solar
i do wish .5 was maybe week 1 later
I think I share this sentiment
frail veldt
Yeah I get that but happening sooner doesnt outweigh its weakness to me
cuz it requires more work to get that gear still
slim hare
content just took longer to release
cinder relic
Its too early in the season to just give people all the loot they want from a vendor lol
frail veldt
this system is a LOT better for people in mythic guilds doing clears every week
this system is a lot worse for puggers who usually scrape together a group to get some mythic prog in their spare time
cinder relic
how so?
shadow trellis
crests
frail veldt
because you have to kill the boss each time you want to spend a token
instead of just killing it once
and knowing youll eventually get the resources to just buy it
without having to reform
random stirrup
i think we did the math a while back and its only slightly better for mythic guilds
and you can lowroll to it being worse
shadow trellis
Also if you are able to spend a token on Alleria thats +40crests likely
random stirrup
(obv highroll too)
random stirrup
ye the dungeon loot stuff is sick
frail veldt
yeah the mythic dungeon loot is nice
cinder relic
It's even better for dungeon loot because u get 2 pulls from dungeons
vs 1 from raid
slim hare
a lot more item dropping too
random stirrup
bis dungeon rings will no longer be unobtainable gamba
frail veldt
is it a guaranteed piece from dungeon
cinder relic
Sounds like a lot of upside for a system u intially said "Take a system people like and make it worse"
frail veldt
or do we not know yet how it works
wintry solar
There's going to be a point where gear doesn't exist and we're given points to put into the stats we want...
frail veldt
Sounds like a lot of upside for a system u intially said "Take a system people l...
well they could have just expanded tokens to dungeons
cinder relic
Bonus rolls are guaretneed loot
craggy barn
is it a guaranteed piece from dungeon
1 token for guaranteed vault piece from dungeon
cinder relic
It will always roll items you haven't gotten
frail veldt
wait didnt they do that
cinder relic
Until uve gotten everything from the pool
cinder relic
Not dungeon gear
frail veldt
ah yeah just trinkets
cinder relic
Not the rings, the trinkets, the off pieces
keen belfry
i mean this system is objectively worse for mains, right? atleast in my case i dont even see an argument how its not worse for my rogue
vivid vessel
It will always roll items you haven't gotten
except thats not entirely true
keen belfry
but its giga for alts
frail veldt
so they could have just made the token system apply to more stuff
wintry solar
There were bonus rolls in bfa wasn't there?
vivid vessel
if i got traded items or i looted natty items from the boss
cinder relic
i mean this system is objectively worse for mains, right? atleast in my case i d...
This system is objectively worse from a power perspective from a vendor, but it comes sooner in the patch cycle, and comes with upside like featuring the entire dungeon loot pool, and overall being WAY better for M+ only players
craggy barn
we still dont know if it counts items u currently have right?
slim hare
It will always roll items you haven't gotten
so if i have one the nexus ring i can not get it again even if didnt roll to get it ??
vivid vessel
the token can give me these items
cinder relic
except thats not entirely true
Havent gotten FROM the bonus rolls
random stirrup
i mean this system is objectively worse for mains, right? atleast in my case i d...
so you get 1 token a week, if you highroll into getting the item you want from your first or second token
you get it sooner than you would with dinars
craggy barn
the wording on the post was like
either u have it already so its off the table
OR
it only knocks off the table if u got it from the reroll
frail veldt
it only counts the rolls itself
keen belfry
so you get 1 token a week, if you highroll into getting the item you want from y...
it can high roll to be giga yes
vivid vessel
Havent gotten FROM the bonus rolls
ye so it will feel very bad :D
frail veldt
so expected tokens needed to get an item you want is 1/2 the total loot table size for that boss
slim hare
Havent gotten FROM the bonus rolls
so it will feel really bad if i get the same item
random stirrup
it can high roll to be giga yes
on a boss with 4 items like chimaerus or 3 like beloren, it is better on average
keen belfry
but there are more people my scenario of i doubt we reclear crown 5 times, theres a good chance i never get a mythic crown trinket
etc
frail veldt
but there are more people my scenario of i doubt we reclear crown 5 times, there...
yeah thats kinda my big issue with it
random stirrup
if you roll sub loot spec it has 4, so on average you get it sooner than you would with dinar tho
keen belfry
same
frail veldt
I think this is more a way of them trying to encourage people to do more clears
keen belfry
if you roll sub loot spec it has 4, so on average you get it sooner than you wou...
yes if i kill it 4 times
frail veldt
that had to be a big contributor
keen belfry
what if i dont
vivid vessel
im getting alleria trinket in vault next reset btw guys
cinder relic
we still dont know if it counts items u currently have right?
It counts items that you have collected FROM the bonus roll
vivid vessel
called it here
random stirrup
then its bricked yes
vivid vessel
@jolly geyser you can note it
slim hare
if you do
vivid vessel
in your notebook
random stirrup
if you only kill mythic bosses a couple times it is just worse, quite sad for alts that you got into one rat alt run a tier for a quick 6/9M for example
now they have to run it many times to get their pieces
jolly geyser
<@120550597500993537> you can note it
cinder relic
From the perspective of "Just killing a boss once" and buying an item from the vendor its worse
random stirrup
but they also get infinite myth pieces from m+ so..
jolly geyser
Alleria trinket for zac on wed
cinder relic
U can also use vault currency for the bonus rolls
jolly geyser
random stirrup
depends on dungeon
craggy barn
spend rerolls on pit for all the good loot we want
random stirrup
for algethar it is strictly better, you spend 2.5 weeks of tokens at most to get puzzle for example
craggy barn
ring neck dagger
random stirrup
and you get 4 other myth pieces in the process
craggy barn
belt?
craggy barn
wrists
frail veldt
I really hope they give us a lot of these
keen belfry
that you often wont need
frail veldt
are we thinking like 1 per week?
keen belfry
like yes you get more loot
slim hare
2 per week
frail veldt
I think they really should have made it so that it considers all loot youve received before
slim hare
at least
frail veldt
why would they let it give you a piece you already have
I dont see the purpose there
keen belfry
its literally crazy style geraing for alts
random stirrup
pit is the same btw. you use 3 weeks of tokens and get every item in the loot pool, old system you'd use 3 weeks of tokens to get one item
slim hare
why would they let it give you a piece you already have
it might be like that
keen belfry
like actual crazy works
keen belfry
its very good for alts and dungeons
the raid thing is cooked
to me, in my scenario
if ur in a giga reclear WR guild u will reclear
keen belfry
yes u can rng goat bang cock it
random stirrup
i think with how good dungeon thing is it could prob just also be 2 items a week from raid
craggy barn
vault coins value goes up hard
keen belfry
but u can also not bang cock it
frail veldt
its very good for alts and dungeons
well you need to clear bosses on both characters
each week
to use them right
keen belfry
no clue
keen belfry
but like your alt can just log in with 10 tokens, do 10 dungeons and get 10 myth pieces
which is wild
frail veldt
but like your alt can just log in with 10 tokens, do 10 dungeons and get 10 myth...
for the dungeons yeah I was mostly talking about for use in raid
frail veldt
when boss dies
you can click a button
it will generate a piece of loot
from that bosses loot table
dim parrot
At end of a dungeon
frail veldt
replace boss with dungeon
dim parrot
Like run a skyresch 10
frail veldt
then chest at the end
dim parrot
and just get a myth 1/6 piece from the pool
frail veldt
click button
keen belfry
i will say it does feel wild i could just go to pit on ym rogue and run it twice and get myth neck and ring
frail veldt
yes
shadow trellis
if you saved up on tokens, can you dump them all after a single kill?
frail veldt
if you saved up on tokens, can you dump them all after a single kill?
thats what im wondering yeah
that would make it nice
keen belfry
i hope u can
shadow trellis
yee
dim parrot
Hmm
dim parrot
But they also doing 298 gear
craggy barn
old rerolls wasnt like that
dim parrot
Idk too much gearing stuff
shadow trellis
I wanna hold mine till we take down Alleria but kinda troll if i canbonus roll her only once a week
keen belfry
if they do something about how it works in raid i think this will be giga system
but maybe it dont need anything
and i just high roll my items
and fuck ass
vivid vessel
im already full gear 
keen belfry
sybau ok?
cinder relic
I don’t understand how it works tbh
cinder relic
You get 2 bonus rolls a week, You can spend 2 bonus rolls for raid loot, or 1 for dungeon loot. A bonus roll guarentees loot
You cant roll items you've already rolled from bonus rolls.
So you can bottom out an entire bosses loot table if you want
frail veldt
so sounds like you cant do it more than once per kill
vivid vessel
u have nooba trinket tho
its in my vault next week
keen belfry
dim parrot
Wow tf
vivid vessel
nooba
vivid vessel
but by now most people that raid already have mythic on most slots
getting more of those isnt that value
dim parrot
Kill mythic chim and guaranteee gaze
dim parrot
Yeah trinks really all that matters
cinder relic
3 myth pieces a week if u do dungeon pool
Yes but the dungeon loot is 1/6
not like, 3/6 or 4/6
If u bonus roll beloren loot its 4/6 for example
dim parrot
I don’t raid anyways
They uncap crests soon anyways
Blizz just trying to scheme how to get people play late into the season as possible
keen belfry
mhm
shadow trellis
what suggests its going to ber soon 🐱
weary goblet
I'm so rusty on outlaw, will spam it a bit more on reset to get back into it, have had aleria HC trinket in my bags for like a month
dim parrot
what suggests its going to ber soon 🐱
Nothing
I thought alleria trinket was dumpster for keys
frail veldt
If u bonus roll beloren loot its 4/6 for example
at that point in the season I figure youd have a lot of extra mythic crests
unless its an alt that you havent been playing ig
vivid vessel
nah lol
you legit need 2 more months to upgrade all your gear idk 
the amount of crests needed this season
is a lot
you get legit 1 upgrade and a half per week
i would finish upgrading my gear in like
4 weeks i think
if lucky i guess idk
cinder relic
at that point in the season I figure youd have a lot of extra mythic crests
Bro wdym "that point of the seasoN'
ITS THIS RESET
cinder relic
Didnt u see a few days ago u were like 270 or something
vivid vessel
less if you get high ilvl nmythic to drop
verbal pulsar
is there a cap on bonus rolls or can i just sit on 20 on my alts until i want to reroll
cinder relic
Idk if theres a cap but they do increase the cap every week
frail veldt
Bro wdym "that point of the seasoN'
Oh I don't figure I'll be spending them for a while
Have to pug mythic raid
frail veldt
Well rip
vivid vessel
bro its 2nd last boss of the tier
ok but it gets significantly easier with gear, nerfs and raid buff
and its a one boss raid for pugs
so anyone can try it
without fear of lock out
cinder relic
ok but it gets significantly easier with gear, nerfs and raid buff
Unless they nerf beloren mechanically its never going to be puggable
that boss is way too demanding mechanically to just ook through as a pug
vivid vessel
i guess idk
cinder relic
I mean they can try all they want, its not gonna risk their lockout
Bro ppl cant even kill chimerus consistently in pugs
frail veldt
I mean people pug ce
cinder relic
I watched pikaboo all last week, every night for multiple hours, try and kill chimerus
frail veldt
It's not that unrealistic by the end
cinder relic
Theres no world u can get a pug to kill beloren
tender breach
So after patch we go trickster ??? Or it’s nothing final yet??
wintry solar
?????
wintry solar
!!!!
vivid vessel
wintry solar
outlaw !!!
jolly geyser
embed fail
wintry solar
Not me
jolly geyser
oh,its failed for me
wintry solar
Must be you Ramlu
jolly geyser
im the fail
vivid vessel
jolly geyser
unlucky
wintry solar
Truly
tender breach
So this smoking thing as I understood it goes like : u press AR a smokin area appears and u have to be in the smoke until 3 stacks are build??
kind vapor
People still play outlaw? I thought we were a dead spec
glass mortar
u get a buff that makes bf apply stacks
u dont pay attention to stacks
u want to be in the cloud before it expires to maximize its uptime
it lingers for 10s after leaving
nova sinew
So this smoking thing as I understood it goes like : u press AR a smokin area ap...
Just make sure you aren’t in the smoking area if you have respiratory issues
tender breach
@nova sinew lol
glass mortar
u can sit in the cloud for the whole duration but basically all that matters is u get back in it right before it ends
u can even leave it right away if u need to
tender breach
So if u have a fking kiting tank that chain pulls the dungeon u are losing every
Pool
frail veldt
So after patch we go trickster ??? Or it’s nothing final yet??
Very much yes
nova sinew
Yeah you can chain back in but
frail veldt
Pins have more data on it
nova sinew
For sure will be a little bit annoying sometimes
glass mortar
yes its toxic in m+ if ur long chaining
u hold ar or more realistically just eat the l
pray u know where ur tank is going and grapple ahead and drop fart
enagaging gameplay
nova sinew
Hey you got perma tricks back so
frail veldt
Perma tricks is yuge
nova sinew
Just pull everything ahead of time
tender breach
And mass blind
nova sinew
And the tank has nothing else to chain!
nova sinew
Bro these lfg tanks
When they let a pack walk into you
Without getting Aggro it’s actually gg
frail veldt
Idk why it doesn't just give a 20 s buff lol
For tricks?
glass mortar
the fart
frail veldt
Ngl it might be kinda useful
To fart away from the pack a bit
So you don't int your visibility
tender breach
Has anyone calculated what is better, fatebound as it is? Or trickster with little time stayin in the smoke area ??
glass mortar
almost certainly tricks
its like 13% ahead
even at 50% uptime of fart cloud
itd be solidly ahead prob
gaunt phoenix
we are wavy now
wintry solar
cinder relic
we are wavy now
tender breach
For me the bigger downgrade of trickster is the not finishing on 5 CP’s . Makes the rotation feel slow and not smooth
Looks like blizz wants to ruin the fan. It’s smooth and easy. Don’t improve that. Make people to play a more laggy version to earn the extra mile
gaunt phoenix
you can dispatch at 5, but it's 0.5% loss or smth
fossil lintel
Damn I lived to see outlaw not be as flat as a pancake
tender breach
@gaunt phoenix so if I keep the rotation like fatebound I lose only 0,5? Then I might try it
gaunt phoenix
Yeah
tender breach
I only play to 3k rio each season so fatebound still is an option for me
cinder relic
OUtlaw is gonna be 13% better
fossil lintel
Solo, with 2x ace do we ps at 5cp with 3 or just 6?
gaunt phoenix
just 6
gaunt phoenix
ye
keen belfry
poress whatever
tender breach
For trickster the Rtb rule is the same?? Keep stage 2 and higher ??
gaunt phoenix
ye
heavy willow
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tender breach
And one more question. Blizz ui tracks the duration of the cloud?? To place a sound warning 3 secs before ending would be helpful
frail veldt
And one more question. Blizz ui tracks the duration of the cloud?? To place a so...
I don't think you can do complicated triggers like "3s before" with default UI
slim hare
wa
frail veldt
More complex weak aura stuff can kinda make it work with some scripts
cinder relic
You can use AR as a negative edge
Like when adrenline rush as 5 seocnds left, the cloud will end
frail veldt
I dont think you can check aura duration
tender breach
Yeap I get it
frail veldt
theres no way to monitor that
you have to start a timer
when you cast adr essentially
but buff duration is made secret in dungeons so you cant be like "check aura duration"
thats all been removed afaik
tender breach
With Arcui u can track AR duration
frail veldt
you can visualize the buff
tender breach
Yes
frail veldt
but not check its duration
default UI you can visualize the buff too
arcui just customizes the layout/visual of it
it doesnt have access to the duration info
fossil lintel
You could turn it into a bar and put a tick where the cloud disappears
tender breach
That’s my thought
frail veldt
at the point in the icon spiral
fossil lintel
I think doing that with the icon spiral is a lot harder to read
frail veldt
sure yeah
tender breach
And I think the last patch of Arcui let’s u put a sound
tender breach
I read it last night
fossil lintel
Make a sound that lasts 8 seconds, with the first 7 seconds being silence
frail veldt
haha yeah
you can also just use WA to start a timer and trigger off that timer
thats probably the most robust way
tender breach
Wa still working ??
frail veldt
not in the same way
but yes theres a fork
called m33kauras
but its functionality is limited
and have to do a lot of workarounds
vagrant kettle
@buff
frail veldt
cuz blizz changed the APIs so much
tender breach
Is it better than Arcui ??
frail veldt
in what way
tender breach
From monitoring buffs cooldowns aspect
frail veldt
iot doesnt do buffs well
cds it does decently
but its a lot of work
the visual customization is very good but if youre just trying to setup general cdm/buffs its not worth it
its best for little niche things that arent possible with other cdm addons
hasty warren
Hi pirates
craggy barn
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Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
vivid vessel
No
craggy barn
damn
vivid vessel
Are you
vivid vessel
Ye kinda
vivid vessel
Do !ui in my stream
vivid vessel
Get what you need
craggy barn
maybe u arent so bad afterall
keen belfry
fartcloud so funny to me
frail veldt
fartlaw
?
vivid vessel
come to aa 18 please <:owwo:1261266519787044964> ?
I wouldn't take wang in any key if I were you
keen belfry
im going to be so desired on tuesday zac
keen belfry
yoda gonna be dming me
tender rapids
I wouldn't take wang in any key if I were you
we need outlaw
keen belfry
outlaw bis
vivid vessel
yoda gonna be dming me
Ye no shit there is litteraly 3 people running keys in na
vivid vessel
Let me think
keen belfry
so awkward!
keen belfry
it might be a naked RTB SS to build KS angle
keen belfry
naw
vivid vessel
Yes
frail veldt
doesnt trickster not take sc
keen belfry
i was doing some cringe shit like rtb ss to 6+ ks dispatch then AR shit
as my opener
but feels bad
vivid vessel
Farm snd on mobs before boss idk
proven ocean
i wonder if thatll change
no !
frail veldt
trickster takes lethality doesnt it?
keen belfry
maybe
proven ocean
Sc worst talent cuz zac said its good confirmed?
tender breach
The rotation differences between fatebound and trickster is the ending cp’s right ?? All the rest is the same
frail veldt
does bte for adr even matter with 1pt SC?
proven ocean
vivid vessel
thats piss isnt it
You play 2 sc
In midnight
Stop looking at faq
It's outdated
We are
.5 now
frail veldt
ah
vivid vessel
Stop being noob mewo
frail veldt
okay
craggy barn
thank god i can use m33k auras for combo points and energy now
holy
fuck these resource bar addons
frail veldt
default cps bis
frail veldt
rip
cinder relic
Solo content still exists 
vivid vessel
so this talent like does nothing right?
If the duration is infinite maybe you play it in keys still
frail veldt
than it was while leveling
frail veldt
I mean its just class tree
vivid vessel
All other talents are useless
limpid isle
so this talent like does nothing right?
so its basically just deadly momentum. but different.
cinder relic
P2 lines are literally 30 seconds apart perfect
U get full crimson vial value that entire phase
0% overheal
frail veldt
damn that leech
cinder relic
Yeah
clever wasp
@vivid vessel any io injection today?
cinder relic
damn that leech
Rogue actually has so much leech bruh
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> any io injection today?
We played 2 nights this week
Now I'm waiting for next week
So we can play our next 2 nights
!
vivid vessel
At this pace by the end of the season we maybe will have done 20 keys !
vivid vessel
I'm gonna prog lura as law
clever wasp
how far in on bird are u
nova sinew
P2 lines are literally 30 seconds apart perfect
You can often clip 2 of the Kyveza stars in intermission with || deathstalker || cloak
clever wasp
we did aswell
vivid vessel
did you put sound on bte reset
I mean idk there is a sound in game
clever wasp
let the best man win 🤝
vivid vessel
I use that
heavy willow
Zac with .5 patch what do you think the key cap will be 23s or 24s or 25s ?
vivid vessel
On live rn I think people can time 22 pit and cavern type keys
Maybe even 23
You get voidcore weapons in .5 which is kinda op
But idk if it's one key level
I think 23 is near the cap already
For stuffs like caverns etc
clever wasp
i think the limit will be tanks flopping, timer is fine just survivability will be the issue
vivid vessel
Maybe I'm wrong tho we still have some Ivl to go
I mean
Timer isn't really fine tho
Some keys are already close
clever wasp
yeah but with the added ilvl/missing will gain tons of dmg
vivid vessel
Sure
stark condor
any tutorial for trickster?😭😭
vivid vessel
i think the limit will be tanks flopping, timer is fine just survivability will ...
When tanks starts to die on cd
You bring out numbing
clever wasp
You bring out numbing
wildcard
hasty warren
any tutorial for trickster?😭😭
don't play it
long barn
I just woke up from a nightmare. I was using KS again…
In keys
Oh wait…
It’s reality fuck
hasty warren
I just woke up from a nightmare. I was using KS again…
old one ?
crystal finch
Hey folks, just getting back to playing outlaw after a while and a quick question would be: do we not use offensive vanish anymore? or like stealth/ambush in general? read the faq, watched a few videos but the faq only says stealth does not matter, do not use ambush
hardy wigeon
you can vanish some mechanics like circles on the first trash in seat or vanish the gargoyle grip in pit or drop agro for some reason but apart from that not much
cinder relic
Hey folks, just getting back to playing outlaw after a while and a quick questio...
vanish is no longer an offensive cooldown
crystal finch
vanish is no longer an offensive cooldown
oh wow okay cheers mate
static crescent
Early on decided I wont bother with raid trinkets, maybe they arent that big of an upgrade
looking at em now, it does seem having the 2x bis myth trinkets vs. m+ trinkets will be quite a difference this tier too Q_Q
river wing
yeah they're very potent
to the point hero alnseer/plume are just better than myth M+
static crescent
When I get home il still check what the difference is, got the heroic Alnseeker from the weekly box earlier week and its outsimming everything
yeah...
Not sure if I really appreciate that its always like this with trinkets but it is what it is
river wing
and it's basically entirely due to the passive
if it was crit or vers instead of mastery, it'd be even better for us
static crescent
Maybe after wednesday outlaw will go pewpew in raids and il easily catch myself some pug Chimera invites
foggy cove
do u only go powerful eversong diamond after hitting 40% crit
cinder relic
U go it when u have hella sockets
foggy cove
think im only missing wrist sockets
unkempt dew
I did the dreamrift boss on normal and heroic but it only counts as one boss for the vault 
river wing
U go it when u have hella sockets
five should be enough, right? diamond + 1 of every color
cinder relic
ya
unkempt dew
What if i do another boss on normal from the other raids. Do i get a heroic piece in my vault then or a normal piece?
remote pecan
What if i do another boss on normal from the other raids. Do i get a heroic piec...
for each slot in vault you have to do the full count of bosses on the same difficulty for the drop or it will revert to the lower difficulty.
in your example you'll get normal, you need 2x HC bosses.
unkempt dew
Damn, so if i do 1x heroic and 2x normal it counts as normal for the vault?
grim spear
outlaw tier💯
hardy wigeon
Spec is so dead I am top 100
foggy cove
same lol
dusty magnet
what dps increase is wf for outlaw rn
next week im playin outlaw prob so ill help our numbies
dusty magnet
outlaw tier💯
comp next week will go brr
real mauve
is that aces buff going to do much?
static crescent
wasnt it like 2%
river wing
aces is neutral due to extra point required, no?
static crescent
I assume thats the fatebound gain it got
wintry solar
They just wanted us to not play 1 ace
river wing
yeah
real flicker
is that aces buff going to do much?
new trickster talent
river wing
they didn't actually fix anything about ace
static crescent
Yeah but with trickster i guess it doesnt matter as much anyways
as u build at 5cp
was fatebound qol people wanted i guess
static crescent
Does it matter as trickster?
wintry solar
I mean
if they actually fixed Ace to be 5 CP
it would be fine
I don't think they actually want us spamming finishers for the foreseeable future and gravedigger was just fan service.
river wing
Does it matter as trickster?
it would make ace proc 6
and trickster is fine with finishing at 6
static crescent
Ah ye i.meant ending on 5
river wing
I don't think they actually want us spamming finishers for the foreseeable futur...
I don't think they have a cohesive vision in mind for any Rogue spec and any good flow we get is accidental, not planned
rustic lotus
Yo is that voidstorm trinket actually cracked? @keen belfry I saw a pic of you using it early in the channel.
karmic gust
does someone here do vod review or stuff like that, I CANNOT push past 120k in every run I do I'm starting to get pissed off about it
grim holly
Does it make sense to start learning outlaw rotation a bit right now, or just wait until patch?😄
rustic lotus
Just learn now homie
river wing
90% of it is gonna stay the same
static crescent
Im still confused how the ps cp rules will go
I mean, after finisher if you have opportunity you just send it
Do you also send it at likd 4 cps?
wintry solar
Does it make sense to start learning outlaw rotation a bit right now, or just wa...
If you only play when it's good/decent, you'll never take full advantage of it.
That's why you gotta keep playing it when it's bad so when it actually is good, you can go even further.
static crescent
Also think the wowhead trickser guide said to send at 5cps as trickster
for dispatch
grim holly
If you only play when it's good/decent, you'll never take full advantage of it.
Nono I want be "okay" on each rogue spec. The one hand weapon for outlaw made me to never touch it until now. But I will craft a one hand on reset. Depending on how much fun it is to me I while spend more time playing it
static crescent
ps rules look to be the same outside of the 1% gain rules
grim holly
What would you say is the hardest part about the spec? As Im reading the Wowhead Guide it seems like to be its going to be hard for me to be aware of all cooldowns all the time with the reduction and reacting to all the procs
static crescent
For me the hardest is at higher keys to keep up with whats happening around me and following cps and RTB n shit like that
when feint timings and stuff start mattering
static crescent
If i go into this frenzy mode where I have to run around kidney shotting shit etc. I just often notice that RTB dropped or some shit like that, OTP outlaws have it in their backbones so they do a lot better
karmic gust
Is it because enemies take longer to kill or sth ?
karmic gust
If i go into this frenzy mode where I have to run around kidney shotting shit et...
You can always use sound alerts where the buff ends to press it again
static crescent
Yeah, should set that up
is there a addon directly to do that or tinkering with like Arcui?
karmic gust
You can do it in the native cooldown manager
static crescent
Depends what you mean by higher key Hautzii
static crescent
Damage definately goes up when going from like 10s into 12-14 range as shit isnt exploding
yeah
Visa versa when going higher imo when people start optimizing their cds for bigger pulls that live full cd duration
karmic gust
Tank pulls more mobs that might come from that as well
Did almost same damage as ele shaman
static crescent
eles dont seem to be pumping even that much this season despite the hype
karmic gust
Seems like it
Did a run this morning, I had jackpot and used SS 5 times without getting a single PS proc
Didn’t know it was possible
To be that unlucky
inner yacht
What would you say is the hardest part about the spec? As Im reading the Wowhead...
hardest thing is pressing the buttons fast enough
grim holly
Outlaws dmg profile is just consistent damage right?
inner yacht
you always gotta press some shit
but the rotation isnt complext or something
after the pruning
haughty sandal
Its just 1 button really 
grim holly
hardest thing is pressing the buttons fast enough
Yeah thats hard for me to learn, meanwhile reacting to mechanics, Cooldowns and stuff
static crescent
assa and sub its really easy to avoid shit, keep up feints and talk over coms
with outlaw not so much at this early on for me
maybe im just getting old
still more enjoyable then anything in game rn tbh
and next patch ur fingers can rest during killing spree :]
maybe even take a zip of coffee
karmic gust
while you wait for a brez bc the spell killed you 
static crescent
I dont think its like that anymore
I guess you can press sprint before it aswell before pulls like AA
karmic gust
what even is feint
karmic gust
the real feint is letting the healer think you're gonna use defensives
wintry solar
what even is feint
20% dr
light ivy
karmic gust
r/woosh
wintry solar
Schrodinger's woosh
wintry solar
Outlaws dmg profile is just consistent damage right?
It's actually slightly wavy come reset
wintry solar
Also think the wowhead trickser guide said to send at 5cps as trickster
That's only for Fatebound because of coins, unless it's a typo
still matrix
Not getting invited to a single 16
sacred panther
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
- WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
- Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
edgy owl
Hi, I installed zac's ui addons, was setting everything up, and idk how or why but like 3/4 of my ui disappeared for no reason, has it ever happened to anyone?
Like there's only defcd and trinkets visible idk why
vivid vessel
Cdm not enabled prolly
edgy owl
vivid vessel
Blizzard CDm
wintry solar
Np
real valley
can someone explain to me how do u track which stage of rtb u're in?
eli5
is it based on which bonus i have active?
so i need to memorize which is which?
river wing
you get a single buff saying
One of a Kind
Double Trouble
Triple Threat
Jackpot
you can track it in the CDM
it's respectively 1, 2, 3, or 4 stage
wintry solar
so i need to memorize which is which?
The brighter the color the better