outlaw

[vivid vessel]

well it doesnt need to be a button

bf doesnt do damage to main target

it just create ressources

[keen belfry]

u guys i know im just using button as example cuz usually speciifc buttons can be traced to specific specs

[vivid vessel]

assa also is similar for example it create ressources

wiht energy

by spreading bleeds

[keen belfry]

so is arcane barrage funnel or prio

my definiton its both

[fossil lintel]

Didn't they lose that?

[vivid vessel]

bro awang

arcane is funnel because they gain prio

with more targets

stop actinge dumb !

[fossil lintel]

I thought assa was energy starved in aoe as well now?

[keen belfry]

it is

[fair ice]

No

[frail veldt]

yeah I think venemous wounds doenst scale with units anymore

it gets almost the same value as ST

is what ive been told

[fair ice]

It does its just not linear

[keen belfry]

they get more dmg to main target only from more ruptures being out = more agility

[fair ice]

Theres 2 energy passives tho

[keen belfry]

i think thats it now

[fair ice]

Theres venomous and uh

[frail veldt]

thats just more damage to all targets

which is just scaling not even prio or funnel

[fossil lintel]

But it's also funnel yeah

[frail veldt]

hmmm

[keen belfry]

i ahte this debate

[frail veldt]

I think thats where its a grey area

[frail veldt]

cuz its just more damage period

but yeah maybe you could call it funnel

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[frail veldt]

but its weak af funnel

[keen belfry]

we got some real master debaters in here

[vivid vessel]

its funnel also

:D

[frail veldt]

like bladeflurry is funnel

[fossil lintel]

It depends if they are doing more damage to the target than doing pure ST in this case

[frail veldt]

cuz it gives cps

[keen belfry]

they r

[frail veldt]

funnel lite

diet funnel

[vivid vessel]

guys

[unkempt dew]

@vivid vessel is it possible to have your details profile without using other addons?

[vivid vessel]

you are all cooked

yes

[vivid vessel]

https://wago.io/CSNR9cFbK

[unkempt dew]

Hmm it’s not working for me

[frail veldt]

zacs giving his details profile out?

[vivid vessel]

well you need sharedmedia

for the texture

[frail veldt]

my details keeps deleting its profile for some reason

very annoying

[keen belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/friggin-freakin-packet-yo-scatterune-gif-10534835726389245048

[frail veldt]

like every month it just resets

[frozen quest]

For some reason my details is fucked and only shows overall every login unless I switch to current dps

[keen belfry]

friggin packet yo

[unkempt dew]

Aaah I don’t have sharedmedia

[frail veldt]

looooooooooool

do you really play with all 4 windows all the time?

[thick coyote]

My brains kinda smooth, what talents are we shifting on reset to get Prep + KS and are we planning to get 2/2 Ace?

[latent oak]

the preferred term is aerodynamic

[karmic gust]

@frail veldt need some tweaking but it's working

[frail veldt]

so is it an addon youre using?

[karmic gust]

ye just made it

[frail veldt]

what apis is it calling to get the icon i nfo

[karmic gust]

it's using this info for the icons and it just checks the player's aura to see if the buff is present and it also checks whether kir is on cooldown or not

[frail veldt]

yeah im curious how it determins which rtb buff it is

does it only work after you mouseover the buff haha

[karmic gust]

no i have nothing to do, i press rtb, if rtb stage is 3 or 4 and kir not on cd the text shows

goes away once i press kir

it checks whether i have an aura called Triple Threat or Jackpot active

[frozen quest]

Is there no kir addon out so far?

[karmic gust]

need to do some more testing to ensure it works all the time but seems to be working so far

[frail veldt]

yeah id need to take a look at the addon code im curious how its obtaining which buff it is

or maybe @vivid vessel has an idea from the screenshot

[vivid vessel]

It shouldn't work in keys

These things should be secret

[frail veldt]

oh yeah duh

[karmic gust]

i got into the secret problem and it seems to be fixed now

will have to try it in a key

[vivid vessel]

idk you are not really supposed to be able to do that so

if it works great but

all these cdm things should be secret i think

[karmic gust]

i'll try to get into a low key rq and check if it works

[frail veldt]

can just go into any dungeon and drop a target dummy too

[vivid vessel]

ye i think m0 combat works

[karmic gust]

training dummy into m0 it is then

my dummy toy ain't working in a dungeon gotta get in a key

[craggy quiver]

[vivid vessel]

go in a key that is outside

pit

[karmic gust]

mc doesn't count ?

[vivid vessel]

its inside

cant put dummies inside

[karmic gust]

make it make sense

[vivid vessel]

need an outside dungeon

[karmic gust]

alr

[vivid vessel]

well you cant put dummies indoor

cuh

can go academy, pit

[karmic gust]

mc looks like outside to me

[vivid vessel]

caverns

oh

mc

well ok

maybe you have bad dummies noob

or maybe its considered inside

[karmic gust]

wouldnt be surprised

[vivid vessel]

cause its actually inside btw

you are in a cave

idk if you noticed

[karmic gust]

idk it looked like there was a sky

[vivid vessel]

ye not really

you are in a cave the whole way

there is holes in the ceiling a bit

[karmic gust]

hope pit works i cba to do a key just for debug purposes

[craggy barn]

its called maisara caverns

inside

smh

[vivid vessel]

zomb ..

fuck you !

[craggy barn]

fuck you!

i cant wait til they turn outlaw into tank spec and u are forced to be a sin player

[rugged nova]

So my dps feels very low in m+. Doing 9-10s. Averaging around 65k overall. I’m 266 overall. Not very enchanted yet.

Any big things that would lead to that? Or is that not too bad?

Feels bad from what I can tell but don’t know many other outlaw rogues out there.

[gaunt phoenix]

Log your keys and see how often you have stage 1

If you do well as outlaw and maintain good momentum with pulls then you should hardly ever go to stage 1

Every now and then you have to natty roll and risk it but not too often

[jolly geyser]

avoid dying

[rugged nova]

Fair. Dying is some of it for sure. So I shouldn’t be rolling a 1?

I roll a 1 semi often haha

[brave lagoon]

Ideally you always end up extending stg2+ rolls as much as possible with loaded dice/kir

[gaunt phoenix]

You should have enough uptime on loaded dice, KIR, and Prep to avoid having to go to 1

Most of the time

[rugged nova]

Got ya.

Interesting.

[gaunt phoenix]

Though in some very low keys things die too fast and there's too much walking between packs

To keep hitting things for CDR

[brave lagoon]

Are you sending ADrush before the key for the extra loaded dice on key start?

[karmic gust]

need to test more but appears to be working inside m0

[rugged nova]

Hmmm nope.

[brave lagoon]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[brave lagoon]

Adr resets when you put the key in but you keep the extra loaded dice buff so you get 1 for free

[icy hare]

Man next week will be scary we are already pumping M+

[gaunt phoenix]

Meh

[rugged nova]

I think I’m fatebound. Is that part of my issue?

[gaunt phoenix]

Ret and arms will always beat outlaw rn

[brave lagoon]

No no fate is correct this week

[gaunt phoenix]

No fatebound is meta

Trickster next week

[brave lagoon]

In any case you should track loaded dice in your cdm if you dont already and make sure you reroll as few times as possible without the buff up

[rugged nova]

Got ya kk.

Will work on that

Is there a good add on for it or just built in cdm good enough? I’m a semi casual player. Usually get around 3k and just like pushing a bit higher than average.

[blazing wraith]

https://github.com/Darga-git/DynamicMacros

[karmic gust]

@vivid vessel I'm inside pit of saron m0 and it works

[frosty minnow]

Got a question about outlaw. I levelled mine up to 90 and they feel very fragile compared to other specs like ww and fury warrior for lets say soloing rarespawns. Will this get better with proper gear?

[karmic gust]

auras applied to targets are secrets not your own auras

[inner yacht]

No we have kinda shit def since we dont build prio vers anymore

For outdoor content evaision should be pog tho

[vivid vessel]

they are tho

so idk

you get them from the cdm or

[river wing]

no
Rogue is like
the most fragile melee DPS when it's not about AoE attacks

and even AoE attacks require pressing a button rather than just you being passively tanky

[karmic gust]

mhh i checked and the commands i'm using are asking to the api itself it's not getting the data from the cdm, apparently auras and cooldowns are considered public if the data i'm trying to fetch is me and not someone else

if they're secrets guess the addon just works lol

[vivid vessel]

both my warriuor and me tank the aoe expel from miniboss in 20 academy rn

i get to 1 % hp

[river wing]

damn

[vivid vessel]

"rogue tanky against aoe"

ok bud

[river wing]

survivable more like

I think WW is more fragile against AoE when it's not physical

[vivid vessel]

spell reflect is like 25s cd

and its 20% dr

then he passivaly has prolly like 20% dr

def stance is 15%

anywya

[tough salmon]

The new reworked defensive stance is so disgusting

[frank finch]

i cant wait for outlaw stonks on reset

[vivid vessel]

rogue cuck spec

[river wing]

but WW against physical aoe is kinda funny because you get -90% every 30 seconds ramp up (i.e. -10% every 3 secs up to 90)

[tough salmon]

Skill issue

[vivid vessel]

ye prolly

my bad

apparently feint is the most op defensive in the game porsea

but this is the most feintable ability in the game

and my warrior can tank it in 30 academy

i die in 21

now dont look at outlaw against non aoe damage

[river wing]

dedge
instantly

either you can CloS it or you ded

[vivid vessel]

me when im trying to tank skyreach 2nd boss beams under feint vial evasion and i die in 1 nanosecond

@tough salmon login we play blud

[river wing]

but what about peeveepee, surely if they were to buff rogue survivability, peeveepee would fall apart!!!11

[vivid vessel]

delete pvp

ruining pve since 1985

pvp is the only reason rogue has 0 utility in keys change my mind

[river wing]

can't and won't even try
I think the same

[magic shuttle]

Rogue is pretty insane in pvp atm

[river wing]

well, no, the second reason is nobody gives a fuck about Rogue being legitimately good

[karmic gust]

it do be working

[vivid vessel]

you arent in combat tho

so its not secret yet

wdym

[karmic gust]

let me sacrifice myself then

[vivid vessel]

you need to get the buff after getting in combat

[river wing]

is it? or is it just a good control bot that has some ability to threaten a kill on top?
like I think people have always thought Rogue is at least strong in PvP regardless of how the class actually was, simply because it has a lot of single-target CC and stealth

[magic shuttle]

Outlaw and sub are very good, assa is okay

Outlaw cranks damage like it's no ones business

[karmic gust]

does sub have similar opening to sin ?

1.3m opener on sin

[vivid vessel]

ye its similar

next week tho

sub will gain a lot of burst

[magic shuttle]

Outlaw burst next week!

[vivid vessel]

20s uptime

every 36s

not burst guys !

reminder but you cant say you are bursting if you are bursting 60% of the time

[worldly zephyr]

Man I feel like whenever I roll stage 3 or 4 it get several of them in a roll. And if I roll stage 2 or Heaven forbid stage 1, I get several of them in a row. It’s either feast or famine for us outlaws eh. I mean I rarely roll stage 1 unless I mess up loaded die or KIR but ya

[eternal hound]

So dumb question

I'm stuck between crafting a main hand and ending the vault gamba or crafting shoulders for better ilvl

Main hand sims better with +9 ilvls (obviously)

[somber fractal]

real talk, you wait till u used your bonus rolls next week

and vault

[eternal hound]

...actually

that's a good point with bonus rolls next week

[vivid vessel]

ye i thought about that

i think you are kinda supposed to hold crests no

you wanna upgrade main hand next week

with the thingy

idk how much it cost

idk how many upgrades we can get also

[somber fractal]

would be cool if it didnt cost crests

[eternal hound]

It sounds like it didn't cost crests

[somber fractal]

seems like a system where it wouldnt cost crests

[random stirrup]

ye it didnt seem like it would cost crests

[eternal hound]

Because blizz didn't mention a track upgrade

Unless the upgrade cores themselves cost crests?

[fair ice]

You need a maxed out wep to use the upgrade thing

[near rock]

there is nothing crest related in 12.0.5

[fair ice]

So 6/6 mythic

[near rock]

the item just needs to be max ilvl

it does not use crests

[fair ice]

Well you're gonna wanna save crests for ur mythic weapons/trinkets

So u can max them and then upgrade

[random stirrup]

if you have those they should already be maxed

[craggy quiver]

Does crafted weapons goes to 298 ?

[near rock]

you'll be at a cap of like 600 myth crests or something if u havent spent any so u dont really need to save unless for some reason you have not spent them on your weps/trinkets

[near rock]

no it goes to 295

[boreal linden]

is there any point to have a dagger in your offhand?

other than playing multiple specs

[fair ice]

I dont have myth wep or trinkets so

[near rock]

if u have a crafted wep u just send on that

[fair ice]

Uh maybe

Depends on if we can upgrade infinitely or not

[craggy quiver]

Feels bad tho miss three ilvl

[near rock]

idk what u mean exactly by that but u cannot use a voidcore on an already upgraded item

[craggy quiver]

Maybe don't matter

[fair ice]

I mean if we have unlimited void cores

So if I get a mythic wep I can do that too

[vivid vessel]

how many voidcores do we get next week

1 or 2

[fair ice]

Your embellishment would go up

[vivid vessel]

im a bit worried about

[fair ice]

We dont know i dont think

[vivid vessel]

how tf do you do when you multispec

if you only get 1

[fair ice]

[near rock]

u get 2 nebulous voidcores and I assume 1 ascendant voidcore per week

[vivid vessel]

i mean im kinda commiting on outlaw on lura i think

[random stirrup]

well you simply dont play a class where one spec doesnt share a mainhand with others

[vivid vessel]

so fuck it

idk

[fair ice]

We dont actually know if its 1 tho

[vivid vessel]

but idk

[near rock]

I doubt you are gonna be able to get more than 1 ascendant voidcore a week

[vivid vessel]

its kidna shit for that

[jagged plover]

doesn't dh get glaives that are int agi now, how are we so fucked on multi spec still

[fair ice]

It might just be uncapped and they just drop from doing stuff

[vivid vessel]

like what

[fair ice]

You can only upgrade trinket/wep anyways

[vivid vessel]

like you have to commit

[fair ice]

And ur limited by crests

[vivid vessel]

so hard

to a spec

its legit so troll idk

and in theory even if you had 2

sending on off hand

is so massively trolling

[jagged plover]

every rogue spec having different stat prio

all good man

[vivid vessel]

this is legit 9/11 of outlaw

[random stirrup]

they did at least fix that

[vivid vessel]

its all crit haste bro

[fair ice]

Assa is atleast close to both the other specs

[jagged plover]

oh did sub change too

[fair ice]

But sub and outlaw arent close really?

[vivid vessel]

they are

[jagged plover]

good job blizzard

[vivid vessel]

crit and mastery is the same in st

you can play crit haste

[fair ice]

Doesn't sub want all the mastery

[vivid vessel]

especially next week

[jagged plover]

now let us use daggers or something

[vivid vessel]

crit will be better

[vivid vessel]

ok and thats not true

[fair ice]

Oh

[vivid vessel]

crit is the same as mastery in st

legit

[light kernel]

When outlaw dagger MH?

[vivid vessel]

no diff

[fair ice]

Yea but there's more than just st

[vivid vessel]

not in raid there isnt

[fair ice]

M+ smh

[jagged plover]

you're talking to the top m+ outlaw world

[fair ice]

Im talking about sub

[jagged plover]

m+ you can just do whatever if you're not giga pushing anyway

[random stirrup]

ye but m+ is a while from being top keys levels

[vivid vessel]

i think swapping stats is easy anyway

[random stirrup]

raid stuff is important rn

[vivid vessel]

you legit just need diff rings

and who tf is using mythic rings

[fair ice]

Hey man

[vivid vessel]

everyone uses hc jewels

[fair ice]

I have mythic void 2 set ring

[random stirrup]

real

[vivid vessel]

and thats enough to change all your stats in one go

[fair ice]

[vivid vessel]

skill issue

if you take rings from vault

you are a cuck

[fair ice]

The rings are good anyways lul

[vivid vessel]

cuck !

[fair ice]

[jagged plover]

is it your favourite insult zac

[vivid vessel]

ye its a good one

[fickle stream]

bt

btw

we will do more dmg then sub next week?

keys i mean

[vivid vessel]

maybe

[jagged plover]

sub gets some level of it too right

[vivid vessel]

ye

less tho

[fickle stream]

u kjnow the answer szac

[fair ice]

These are my stats so I should mostly be good to play whatever spec

[jagged plover]

we just abuse more because of restless?

[fickle stream]

tell me the true

[vivid vessel]

well the answer is

that i will

idk if a sub player would

but me

yes

[random stirrup]

you think its that much better or close enough that u can play law?

[vivid vessel]

i was already thinking of law on lura

because in theory rn

im almost convinced

it does the same st

[fickle stream]

buff is like 15 % for outlaw on dgs right?

[vivid vessel]

ye smth like that

idk exact number

[fickle stream]

ok time to reroll assa to outlaw so

[thorn parrot]

We’re taking in to effect the ace changes as well?

[gaunt phoenix]

Still lose to arms

[random stirrup]

i could still run it myself but idk the voidcore thing is scary

[vivid vessel]

yeee

i dont like it

or i mean

i like it

i just

man

[random stirrup]

i prob have to do dagger so we can kill beloren next week

[fickle stream]

u are full biss zac?

[vivid vessel]

outlaw just need to be able to use dagger bro

[fickle stream]

i will see ur build

lol

[random stirrup]

ye long overdue

[vivid vessel]

i mean thats troll imo

you would use voidcore for last boss

not beloren

if you think outlaw is way better for last

[random stirrup]

i dont think its way better

[fair ice]

Btw this kinda worries me

[fair ice]

Was it able to be tested

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes it's on ptr

[fair ice]

So the dmg for sure ok

[vivid vessel]

idk after buffs?

[thorn parrot]

Holy fuck that Albert

[fair ice]

The dr shouldn't work based on wording but who knows

[thorn parrot]

Alnseer

[random stirrup]

i would also need to myth crest upgrade my outlaw weapon

its a bit cooked

[gaunt phoenix]

It's bc the damage taken is a modifier on fazed itself

[vivid vessel]

ye well thats skill issue

[random stirrup]

but no i dont think its far ahead after buffs

ig i dont know what st outlaw is really doing

[fickle stream]

ok, time to reroll

but for now i will go as sub for fun

[random stirrup]

but sub's looks strong already

[fickle stream]

25% on burst window is insane

[fair ice]

So its not actually damage taken but damage dealt?

[vivid vessel]

i have been first rogue boss damage 2 weeks in a row on saladar

[fickle stream]

still thinking about

[vivid vessel]

i havent recleared this week

but

[fair ice]

Damage dealt by mob*

[vivid vessel]

idk any other boss

[random stirrup]

all the sub players are padding pigs though

[vivid vessel]

ok liuke outlaw players arent ?

some are playing aoe talents on it bro

idc about that i just look at boss damage

it gives me a good indication

both on voracius and saladar

outlaw is high

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[vivid vessel]

on saladar i have been consistent r1 boss damage

[random stirrup]

you arent doing it is what i mean

[vivid vessel]

yes

[fickle stream]

for sure they are

lol

[vivid vessel]

but sub r1 boss damage doers also arent

on hc crown there is also a few laws on top

and i havent killed the boss in hc

so idk

like im better than these guys

i would be r1

and then next week you get 15% more st ?

omegalul no ?

sub get 5%

6% if you wanna be nice

lets make it 7% for fun

[random stirrup]

you make a good argument

[fickle stream]

when stream?

let me sub u bro

xd

[vivid vessel]

so what outlaw gets at the very least 6% more damage than sub

if we take lowest outlaw numebrs and highest sub numbers

thats still a very big number

also i have a 289 outlaw main hand

and a crafted sub main hand

[fickle stream]

and have some problem about ur craft on offhand?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yep

[random stirrup]

i was trying to say i dont recognize any of the names doing boss damage so none of the sub gamers are doing it at least publically

[gaunt phoenix]

Modify Damage Done% to Caster

[random stirrup]

but i will look into the law

maybe its the angle

i consult my sources

[vivid vessel]

all sub players are bad also

good argument

[fickle stream]

we do so

time to win

[fair ice]

Oh ok, yea makes sense

[rugged nova]

Anyone have a good add on for loaded dice or just pay attention more?

[fickle stream]

67 gameplay

20 + 20 + 20 +7

[rugged nova]

Helpful

[native tinsel]

lura does not need burst anywhere?

[vivid vessel]

not really

add spawns sub can help

with a dance

but thats about the extent of it

[native tinsel]

did you try to run law in beloren as well?

that fight seems a little odd for it

[cinder relic]

Not really

Biggest downside of outlaw on lura would be the rp

[native tinsel]

rp?

[cinder relic]

Roleplay

The fight stuns u and afks a bit

[native tinsel]

oh

more like denathrius intermission?

[cinder relic]

Yeah

[native tinsel]

i see isee

[magic shuttle]

perfect opportunity for deadly pursuit to shine

[glass mortar]

yea

shine

me when i get 10s of additional cdr every 3 minutes

[gaunt phoenix]

When we have 1s of downtime we should just instantly refresh AR and RTB

[glass mortar]

preach!!!

[vapid hamlet]

all this outlaw talk and i feel like making a return

[craggy barn]

outlaw should be immune to downtime

[native tinsel]

do we have a WA already or addon to remember us to use RTB?

[craggy barn]

when downtime happens, outlaw should just be able to move aorund and damage the boss while everyone else has their thumbs up their ass

[native tinsel]

i keep forgetting it

hahaha

[eternal hound]

Wait

We're going trick?

[glass mortar]

next week ye

[craggy barn]

imagine if we had the old KS during this raid

[eternal hound]

And prep....man thats gonna feel worse

Oh

[glass mortar]

i mean we r playing prep on live too

[eternal hound]

I have to bind both prep and js

[glass mortar]

im sure theres alternatives to prep that r slightly behind for trickster as well

[eternal hound]

Im not raiding

[glass mortar]

just like live

we are playing prep in keys

prep is gr8 in keys

[eternal hound]

Well yay more keybinds

[magic shuttle]

you can put prep wherever you binded ghostly strike before

[eternal hound]

I redid my bars entirely for midnight and only played it in remix before

So tf if I remeber where that was

[keen belfry]

Am I gonna be thanos on Tuesday guys?

[cinder relic]

Yes

[shy meteor]

where can I find the "OUTLAW" pic?

[summer swan]

what are our bis embelishments for m+ ?

[eternal hound]

Check wowhead

But should be prismatic and arcanoweave

[craggy barn]

which thanos tho guy

[keen belfry]

Thank god

I need to feel like I did in s1

On enhance

[snow vessel]

I was thinking of running it next week

[waxen scarab]

how bad are we at cosmos?

dimensius bad?

[glass mortar]

i dont think it can be as bad as dimi because it doesnt have any damage amp phases

so bit less then that

still pretty bad from the looks of it tho

[snow vessel]

There's a lot of downtime

[waxen scarab]

back to back bench on last boss

fuck blizzard

[snow vessel]

Well Lura is real last boss

And I think outlaw will be pretty good at that tbh

or at least playable without too much talking

starting next week especially

[outer meteor]

so is shroud just useless now on seat

after the hotfix

[formal thunder]

is it a quirk of raidbots that multiple sockets can only get filled with same color gems?

[cinder relic]

Probably

[formal thunder]

hmm, aight, gonna try some stuff to force it then

[umbral verge]

you gonna teach me to outlaw

[snow vessel]

We'll do some private tutoring

[formal thunder]

though, doubt the 0.15% crit effect gonna be enough to cover that 0.1% gap

[vivid vessel]

eh

its not as bad

as other downtime bosses

we had in the past

[snow vessel]

I haven't really tried outlaw on it too much I just assumed it would be kinda annoying with the downtime onit

but fair

[vivid vessel]

there is 3 small downtime right

[snow vessel]

you'd know better

[vivid vessel]

well

there is downtime

and there is downtime

think dimmy downtime

where you spend legit 30s

flyuing

people getting cds back

[snow vessel]

Ye it's a lot better than Dimmy

[vivid vessel]

you just here afk

this boss is like

7s stun

or smth

its not that bad

[snow vessel]

tbh I don't think there's really any bosses this tier I think outlaw is bad on

[vivid vessel]

crown

[snow vessel]

I meant Alleria

Lura I don't think the stun will be anything enough for outlaw to suffer

and I think if it's a lot better on ST itmight have a fair shot of being better

[keen belfry]

Kinda crazy we have an outlaw last boss again

[vivid vessel]

wdym again

when was the last time

[cinder relic]

Post buff outlaw will probably just be better

[waxen scarab]

on cosmos than sub?

[cinder relic]

Lura idk about cosmos

[vivid vessel]

on lura

[cinder relic]

Rogue still unplayable on last 2

[vivid vessel]

no it wont be better on crown xd

[cinder relic]

Of voidspire

[keen belfry]

True it’s never been the play since I’ve played law

[snow vessel]

I don't think it's ever actually been meta on a last boss

[waxen scarab]

my guild chose the sub rogue because of "logs"

[cinder relic]

Denathrius

[snow vessel]

Rogue in CN

kappapenis

[cinder relic]

Yes but it was still outlaw

[snow vessel]

(you are right though)

ye

[cinder relic]

Very kappapenis

[keen belfry]

wtf is kappapenis

[cinder relic]

Imagine rogue on paladins

thats kappapenis

[snow vessel]

exactly

[keen belfry]

I’ve heard kappachungus

[cinder relic]

kappapenis is just kappachnugus

[fair ice]

kappachungusdeluxe

[keen belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/gunga-ginga-gunga-ginga-gangu-gongu-gif-14816269

[fiery pendant]

Kappachunguspenisballsack

[novel isle]

Im kinda proud that iv gotten a lot better at this spec 🙂 still further to go but im learning all time

[cinder relic]

[fresh acorn]

I didn’t find sub too bad on Alleria

[pastel cloud]

so we gonna have to play trickster now? sob

[jagged plover]

unless you wanna do 10% less damage

[edgy owl]

at least we got permanent tricks

[jagged plover]

fazed tankiness pretty killer too

[keen belfry]

We will be tanky again I think

I wonder if it’s worth tracking fazed stacks now just for tankiness

[craggy barn]

anyone know what the effective cd of alleria trinket is

[keen belfry]

I don’t

If that helps

[craggy barn]

thanks bud

[outer meteor]

guys i made the executive decision to raid again

now maybe i can get a gaze

[craggy barn]

maybe

[keen belfry]

Jsut spam roll on mythic chimmy

Bis belt chest trinket

[outer meteor]

fr

[craggy barn]

fr

[outer meteor]

but i fucked up already

since i wasnt sure i was gonna raid

i took myth wep in vault

over tier

[craggy barn]

myth weapon op why would that be bad

now u raiding now u get myth tier

[outer meteor]

worse stats than saladbar one

[craggy barn]

did u craft a weapon?

if not then idk seems fine

[outer meteor]

uh

week 1

ye

it was still a higher upgrade than tier

but if i know id raid i would ve prob taken something else

[craggy barn]

oh well

u made the best decision u had given the information u had

[wicked kestrel]

How’s the law looking for next week?

[cinder relic]

A lot stronger

[wicked kestrel]

Is my frame of thinking right that cloud cover will be up more because of how outlaw works?

[cinder relic]

A lot more

[wicked kestrel]

That’s actually insane

I’m hard swapping right now lol

[real shoal]

Will we go trickster instead of fatebound now?

[wicked kestrel]

Pins say trickster

[ashen oracle]

how do you play around this ? Do you macro it to every builder/finisher and forget about it ?

[frail veldt]

Yeah can prob just macro it

[cinder relic]

Macro it to everything yeah

[finite zodiac]

is it true that outlaw become a 10-15% buff on 21 reset?

[worldly zephyr]

Ya check pins

[finite zodiac]

oh i see thanks

[zealous abyss]

i dont see any link for this tuning ?

[cinder relic]

12.0.5 patchnotes

[indigo token]

monkeys paw tuning

[zealous plinth]

Just KS still sucks xD cause I guess we don’t wanna send during AR

[light crest]

could som1 give me a TLDR on Roll the Bones

when to roll / extend

Ngl I relied heavily on Weak Aura's to tell me when to roll...

Not sure if there's an addon now

[craggy barn]

reroll if stage 1 or loaded dice

kir if stage 2 or more

is the basics

[light crest]

damn

i dont even know what to look for

is it not the same

like

Spam as much BtE's and get stealth back up

[craggy barn]

no

stealth isnt a thing for us anymore

bte priority on cd

[light crest]

ah but it doesnt reset like mad anymore

that was half the fun

[craggy barn]

yea its not bte spam as much as tww

sometimes u get it rollin

[light crest]

hmmmm

i 100% will need weakaura's to manage RtB...Gna look to see if there are any addons

otherwise without having a manual prompt to roll or re-roll/extend

gna be uselesso on this

[near osprey]

can i have like stage 2 and loaded?

[light crest]

Ah ok

@craggy barn how can i have this but without the stuff in the middle?

[wicked kestrel]

is there a macro for on use trinket and pre pot for outlaw?

[craggy barn]

if u have kir available (or soon to be), loaded dice up, and are currently on stage 2, you can reroll stage 2 to try and get a stage3+ to kir

but u always reroll off stage 1 when u can

[near osprey]

o ok fs cuz i was confused for a sec thinking u can gurantee a 3

[craggy barn]

yea nah u cant

just luck

[near osprey]

would lowk be busted

ye

[craggy barn]

solo are u around

or guy

major min max question i got

[timid idol]

was opening murlok io to check embelishments

and i see 2 goats here

[formal thunder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dKKSg57oLLo3cKVgtqQeJJ

so, champ lura ring and hero pit ring sims about the same

[proven ocean]

Man i love osrs

17 hrs no break

Good gaming day

!

[near osprey]

so r u not supposed to killing spree during ar? for trickster

[craggy barn]

right now no

[gaunt phoenix]

I dont know

[inner meadow]

think outlaw/sub is gonna pass assa with buffs or no

[novel isle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-yo-momma-ya-mama-your-mother-gif-8950508997893541739

[narrow pasture]

probably

except paladins mby

[keen belfry]

Why don’t you know

TWW solo would know by now….

Washed?

I think KS after AR creates a good loop of your time outside of AR turns into KS channel, generate coup, COUP, nearly have AR again

[wide flare]

feeling dumb, what does this mean?

Between the Eyes has a 3%/6% chance (was 5%) per combo point spent

what influences the 3% or 6%?

[outer meteor]

its a 2 point talent node

[wide flare]

thanks

[outer meteor]

u can either allocate 1 point for 3% and 2 for 6%

[cinder relic]

Assa = larp

[inner meadow]

which one you think is going to be stronger between outlaw and sub?

[cinder relic]

Probably sub, but like

Outlaw is getting a very large buff

Sub is getting a big buff, and a lot of it is concentraded in burst

[snow vessel]

Sub will probably be significantly better on one boss and one boss only

[dark ermine]

anyone have found that the wangbar doesn't show neither combopoints nor energy? tried reinstalling and its my only addon right now

[sour root]

and assa compared to sub outlaw is dead right ?

[snow vessel]

and other bosses I owuld say outlaw and sub will be very close and personal preference

I think dead is an overstatement but I wouldn't be surprised if the meta moves to sub hard because it's easy and will be quite strong with the buff

[sour root]

What about m+, which will be "meta" or more welcome. please dont say sub

[snow vessel]

hard to say all the specs will likely be playable

[west ridge]

prob outlaw

well it will be comp dependant

[snow vessel]

Zac is already rank 1 in the world as outlaw and a lot would say assa is meta

so

[lucid sparrow]

r u still able to do that delete and recover trick

[snow vessel]

idk doubt it matters

tbh

[lucid sparrow]

for max upgrading ur 2nd slot

on ring or wep etc

is that still a thing

[snow vessel]

wasn't that like

recrafting with different stats

to make the game think you had 2 items

I haven't heard anyone talk about it this tier

[sour root]

wondering if should i stick to outlaw when my healer is pres or just go assa. honestly i would love to try this trickster, im pretty new to outlaw

[novel isle]

its giga fun but damn hard

[sour root]

so far ive seen it will be the play since wednesday so might just start learning it already then ^^, was asking cuz shammy buff i guess is important to outlaw

[urban oyster]

outlaw fun

[vivid vessel]

assa is way better than outlaw rn

but idk

there is no rogue players

casual plays dk

or whatever the fuck

[snow vessel]

Ye

What I just meant was

[vivid vessel]

tho with trickster thing

outlaw will be better than assa

[snow vessel]

Rogue isn’t played much rn

[vivid vessel]

for sure

[snow vessel]

Asking what is best/meta rogue spec

It’s like idk does it matter

[vivid vessel]

i mean i dont think its bad in keys tho

rogue

all 3 specs

its bad in raid but

[inner meadow]

sub feels kinda rough

in keys

[vivid vessel]

def decent in keys

[snow vessel]

I just think if r1 is playing “off meta” it probably doesn’t matter for most who ask

[snow vessel]

Idk it’s super chill for clearing my weeklies

[vivid vessel]

true i guess

[snow vessel]

[vivid vessel]

but i mean

i could be playing the worse spec in the game

it prolly wouldnt matter

i did it in s3 tww

i would argue outlaw was one if not the worse spec in the game in keys

in s3 tww

but the guys i play with are goated so

we can still do good keys

[snow vessel]

Ye

I think I just have pretty stark look at it

Having people to play with matters more than spec and if you’re asking cuz you’re trying to pug like 15s/16s I just generally think playing what you are good at will be better because you’re gonna have a shit time pugging those keys no matter what

Maybe is cope

Prob matters more when a spec is legit op but I don’t think even with the buffs outlaw will hit that level

It will just be good

[near osprey]

why does killing spree have to be played w new trickster though

[hollow temple]

Because it’s trickster

[snow vessel]

It interacts with flawless form

It’s the proc thing for it

[hollow temple]

KS and trickster go hand in hand

[sour root]

Do you change stat prio for trickster for m+ or will it still be crit haste ?

[snow vessel]

It will still be crit haste

Crit might be even a bit better because of the builder crit thing but that doesn’t really change anything

[frail veldt]

its mostly the UB stacks

I think flawless form is like 100% uptime now

cuz it just caps at 5

also KS aoe spreads fazed

which is 8% damage to all targets

yuge

[cinder relic]

24 with cloud cover

[frail veldt]

yeah with cloud cover I think everything applies it aoe

for some reason

[vivid vessel]

yes

attacks

its in the tooltip tbf

im surprised bf counts tho

but oh well

cant complain

[keen belfry]

wow is a weird game cuz u can really optimize shit specs with both good play and non rotation stuff like route/comps and be rank 1 adjacent

which zacs group proves every tier

[fathom bramble]

kind of have to be careful looking specifically at high ranks in general since you are seeking out and finding an outlier on purpose

and outliers can often not realistically apply to general cases

[keen lantern]

besties do we think blizz knows how big the buff is? will they nerf us?

[nova sinew]

we get at least one week

[indigo token]

hot take

id rather have no buff than have to do worse gameplay for a better buff

[nova sinew]

i dont think its that bad

[indigo token]

maybe

but its not that good either

[nova sinew]

i like coup de grace even if ks isnt fun

big cdr is nice, and the ace changes are quite good too

just wish we could have disorienting strikes on br instead of ks

[eternal hound]

Fatebound is how outlaw should be played

Bite me

I play the gamba spec

I want the gamba hero tree

[near osprey]

yall think trickster will be able to be played at all without ks

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

wang

thoughts

is phys comp better ?

[near osprey]

serious question tho

[vivid vessel]

no

[near osprey]

what was overall on caverns?

[fickle stream]

lol

[fathom bramble]

yeah I don't think cloud will get us nerfed

still below the warr after cloud

[vivid vessel]

i mena

im bottom dps in every key now basically

[hollow temple]

One node being that strong is abnormal though no?

[vivid vessel]

as i said would happen 3 weeks ago

[vivid vessel]

ye

but outlaw getting a 15% buff

isnt really

[fathom bramble]

yes but it's in the hero talents

[vivid vessel]

that insane

for the spec

[hollow temple]

And hero trees being that unbalanced

[fathom bramble]

it's a fake node

it's just the hero talent itself being too strong

[fickle stream]

100%

[keen belfry]

im biased but ye i think it is

[vivid vessel]

we have r1 timer on magister also i think

[fathom bramble]

I'm sure other specs have super strong nodes like that, but since we compare trees as a whole no one would notice or care

[vivid vessel]

we are the only team that did +2 on 19 magister

so idk

i think its just arms

being so strong

and people are sleeping hard on it

[keen belfry]

arms does help

[brave lagoon]

if we get hit with the adjusted patchnote 3 hours before 0.5 goes live that guts that buff I'mma be angery

[vivid vessel]

i mean

the buff is huge right

but we also wouldnt even be a meta spec

with that buff

so like

idk

[vivid vessel]

its fine i guess

its just super random

[keen belfry]

u are more than 15% behind ur war in that key

[vivid vessel]

yes i know

im 20% behind

in every key

basically

[fathom bramble]

and if we include battleshout in the arr value

[keen belfry]

mhm

[fathom bramble]

it's a lot

[glass mortar]

dread it

run from it

fartlaw approaches

gunna blast

[keen belfry]

im excited for next week

i legit dont wanna play this week

[vivid vessel]

only issue is raid tho

[frank finch]

fartlaw

[vivid vessel]

outlaw will be topp

[frank finch]

i like it

[vivid vessel]

on raid thingy

[keen belfry]

yeah we will blast raid

[vivid vessel]

overall all damage

i think

[keen belfry]

im unsure cuz we are far enough into xpac

adds just die

[frank finch]

u saying we gona be op in raid?

[glass mortar]

and all it cost is all our fun rules

[fickle stream]

all outlaws dont raid so

[glass mortar]

[fickle stream]

make a contract

lol

[vivid vessel]

no

we still will be terrible on crown and bird

and paladin

but like

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel this our saving grace

[vivid vessel]

outlaw will be topping overall damage

prolly

idk

[frank finch]

so we will be top cuz padding

got it

[keen belfry]

i dont thikn we can pad

adds just die now

everyone geared

its almost like heroic, ur ilvl goes up dmg goes down

cuz adds die

mythic is approaching that

[fickle stream]

chineses will farm logs

if the outlaw become so strong

dont worrie

[outer meteor]

anyone have a build ready for tuesday ? i kinda wanna try the rotation with trickster

[keen belfry]

the bottom of the pin do

[outer meteor]

oh does it

im stoopid

[keen belfry]

this is why i dont invitre u

[outer meteor]

what the helly

im actually stuck in queue hell btw

missing one 18 for resil and cant get into any 19s

[keen belfry]

why do u think i list my keys

[outer meteor]

i tried doing that

19 bricked into 17

[keen belfry]

thats how it works cuh

[outer meteor]

yeah i wanted to get resil first

[keen belfry]

i only get into the key if i know the people

[outer meteor]

maybe ur right

[keen belfry]

fizz this is the tier of awang right

[outer meteor]

this shit looks so wide with ks

[daring venture]

hi guys

[keen belfry]

not using wangbar?

[daring venture]

what do u guys think about the outlaw update ?

[outer meteor]

i disabled it for some reason

i was checking what was causing frames drops

and forgot to enable again

[outer meteor]

for sure cuh

[keen belfry]

ty

i agree

[frail veldt]

At least you were playing

And not afk in silvermoon

[urban oyster]

any talent tweak suggestions for M+ i might have missed in pins / guide ?

doing mostly low teen keys like 12-15

[outer meteor]

i like running prep

[urban oyster]

what do you drop for it? grand melee?

[outer meteor]

1 point off summarliy dispatch

[urban oyster]

woprd i might try that

swapping from sub so this shit calculus fr

[junior folio]

It definitely ain't 2 buttons

[brave lagoon]

lmao

[eternal hound]

Prep feels goofy

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel if my calculations ar eright, phys comp will have S+ tank, S+(????) healer, S+ warrior dps, S(???) rogue, and druid buff

legit sounds like best comp in game

[vivid vessel]

you know it cuh

[keen belfry]

i think rsham might become best healer too

8% is quite a lot!

feral is going to be getting gapped tho i think

[vivid vessel]

oh i forgot about that

bro

our comp is about to be insane no

[keen belfry]

no i legit think its going to be the best comp

[junior folio]

Mistweave is cool but the nerf hits hard

[keen belfry]

like legit

best comp

maybe u replace feral in a true best best comp

but druid buff makes up for their dmg

anbd their dmg isnt even taht bad

[vivid vessel]

feral is relaly good cuh

turbo outdamage me some keys

[keen belfry]

it blasts in MT

[vivid vessel]

and honestly he could do better damage

[keen belfry]

what key do it gap u in

i beat the ferals i play with now

but MT i lose i think

[vivid vessel]

acadmey

magister

cavern i lost also

[keen belfry]

oh yeah academy for sure

[timber zephyr]

zac

[keen belfry]

zac i dont understand ur feral hits to 1.6mil

[vivid vessel]

pit sometimes i lose also