Beats me by 90k!
#outlaw
vivid vessel
will do cuh !
summer nimbus
u can prob ghetto track fart cloud with ADR timer in the meantime
novel isle
im legit looking at your POS +21 XD didnt know it was yours
vivid vessel
good one that one
novel isle
a cool 208k dps yea id say so
novel isle
oh wait the warrior did 244k
vivid vessel
yeee
novel isle
damn, guess your dogshit
novel isle
madness, gg though, I could never
im trying to find what the hell im losing DPS from still XD
im getting 90k overall DPS pretty consistantly
should be like 120 im 271lvl
novel isle
yea, im consistant with my DPS, its always about the same, its just lower than most DPS do at this lv so I know im missing something
could be lots of small mistakes but idk
coach me dad XD
true jackal
summer nimbus
zac is just gonna say idk press buttons
novel isle
haha what else to expect from a rouge main
vivid vessel
i just had a crazy idea to fix splits in wow
what if you cant do voracius mythic if you killed voracius hc
holy shmoly
owned
cant even do hc anymore you have to go straight mythic like a man
vivid vessel
Yooo
That's a crazy good idea
Vanguard on your px
Pc
And you can't enter hc twice in a week
Or PC explode
vivid vessel
Goated
fathom bramble
full personal loot with bonus rolls(week 2) and a vendor(week 4)
vivid vessel
ye maybe the solution is just actual personal loot
but it feels terrible to waste loot
fervent gate
What if they just stop making raids
I think they should introduce pirate raids
fathom bramble
personal loot should only drop items you don't havee as well
fervent gate
It's outlaw only gamemode where we raid other player's ships
vivid vessel
yee but
fathom bramble
and then just start dropping bonus rolls if you have all items for that boss
vivid vessel
its not neccesseraly something you need tho
i could drop a bad stated belt and never equip it
or bad ring
fathom bramble
yeah it is what it is
vivid vessel
or bad trinket
fathom bramble
loot amount can be adjusted up or down to keep it fair and fun
vivid vessel
but you are right
maybe it would be cool to have full poersonal loot
no trading ?
ever ?
fathom bramble
this could also exist alongside another idea I've had for a while that would help with the dead loot problem
all rings now drop with 1 stat
other stat is added by using a jewelcrafting item on it
no trading ever
maybe trading when the hall of fame opens or something for gearing alts idk
but vendor if designed correctly could also cover that
vivid vessel
well ye but
you would split m+
unless there is also no trading in keys either
like imagine week 1
instead of doing raid splits
they do m+ splits
1 guy getting traded all loot
thats what the chinese were doing in sl
i remmeber
degenerate lol
fathom bramble
no like full full personal loot
craggy barn
what if they just let u idk convert like half of a secondary stat on a piece of gear to another stat?
fathom bramble
make keys drop more items if it feels right
gaunt phoenix
Invisible RTB bug
There is a bug where your RTB buff will periodically disappear from the CDM even though the buff is still active. It's fairly rare, maybe once per key if at all. The exact reason is not known. It can happen with default CDM or with CDM addons and it is perhaps easier to miss than you think. I didn't notice it happening for several weeks
There is not a known fix per se but there is a workaround to show a placeholder RTB icon when it happens:
- Install m33kauras (extract to wow/retail/interface/addons)
- Type /wa, import zac aura and move it behind your RTB icon in CDM
It will just show a gear icon when RTB is "supposed" to be active and it accounts for KIR. It cannot know what the RTB stage actually is, so you would have to glance at your real buff bar to know the stage. That's the best we got 
To make the icon disappear when rtb is not active: go to conditions, click add condition, if "trigger 1 > active > false" then "alpha > 0%"
craggy barn
can i use meek auras as my cdm
gaunt phoenix
for cooldowns yes. for buffs it;s complicated
vivid vessel
# <:rtb:1103278788541948025> Invisible RTB bug
There is a bug where your <:rtb:1...
wtf
frail veldt
aint nobody got pins as good as us
vivid vessel
our pins are straight goated
frail veldt
our pins would wipe the FLOOR with other discords pins
random stirrup
trim harbor
How does outlaw feel in pugs do you feel cucked by the tank like in tww or is it more pug friendly now
quiet ore
How does outlaw feel in pugs do you feel cucked by the tank like in tww or is it...
It'll be better on Tuesday when we get our big pull agency back with AoE blind - frantically tabbing mobs to try to blind/kidney them to help sucks
Still blows my mind that they could acknowledge the issue one week into the season, two weeks after they hotfix it out, but then delay the fix until the .5 patch. Like... Why. Do they only update talent text localizations in major and semimajor patches, so they didn't wanna drop a "talent text will be updated in the future" in the notes and forget to update the text, then come back and remove it again because they think it's a bug or something?
past falcon
How does outlaw feel in pugs do you feel cucked by the tank like in tww or is it...
if i die its joeover, if i dont it feels fine usually
eternal hound
What if they just stop making raids
Then wow isn't an mmo
and we fully embrace being an diablo-like
frail veldt
Still blows my mind that they could acknowledge the issue one week into the seas...
They nerf on a hotfix cadence but they buff on a bi seasonal cadence lol
eternal hound
does ff14 have gear even ?
14's gearing is literally atrocious
craggy barn
theres gear
eternal hound
And yes no trash
craggy barn
but its super simple process
eternal hound
And also time gated to fuck
vivid vessel
and do bosses drop gear?
eternal hound
to buy the same gear from vendors (also time gated)
did wow have anything non-tier that was tokens before?
vivid vessel
wtf i thought about something crazy
waht if
hear me out
what if it was all tokens bro
you kill a boss, you unlock its loot
craggy barn
its old valor stone gearing
vivid vessel
and you drop a token
fair ice
why are u guys getting 15% buff
craggy barn
like wrath valor stone
craggy barn
u farm currency to buy gear
vivid vessel
you just need to do raid once a week
and unlock bosses
whatdehelly
wow is saved !
eternal hound
See the problem there zac
tulip gate
if its current you get one token per boss per week
eternal hound
Is blizzard fucking hates deterministic gearing
Like so much
It's not even funny
vivid vessel
why are u guys getting 15% buff
bro sin got a buff while being the bnest rogue spec basically every season
keep it down
vivid vessel
Is blizzard **fucking hates** deterministic gearing
1 token = 1 rng loot !
fair ice
for dungeons like 3%
vivid vessel
gege easy !
fair ice
vivid vessel
wait .. you would then
split it
bu having 20 chars
and you take the one that rolled best ..
gege ..
vivid vessel
for dungeons like 3%
ye and outlaw managed to get bf nerfed buddy
while being worse than sin
so pipe down noob !
assa players are all noobs, ugly and bad !
fair ice
vivid vessel
proved and confirmed by science !
frail veldt
why are u guys getting 15% buff
Get used to it buddy. We're gonna be in every group. FLOODING the meta. We're gonna be the most popular spec overnight just you wait
frail veldt
15% there's no way we're not op
There's literally no other weakness outlaw could have
That might keep it down still
We were exactly 14% away from being S tier so essentially we're gonna be S+ tier
fair ice
its over
sullen walrus
if i have 27% haste, can i replace my crucible trinket 263 for Solarflare Prism 276?
quiet ore
15% there's no way we're not op
Big DPS boost. Return of AoE cc. More durability. Higher ace highrolls more often. Good changes - while there's always more, it's a lot of what we want
foggy needle
the cloud cover change is resulting in that big of an outlaw buff?
foggy needle
i was just thinking a few days ago i'd revisit outlaw since coming back to rogue after not playing it all of TWW
maybe its fate
quiet ore
wont get nerfed
look we get to complain about that after it happens, no preemptive complaining - that's boomkin shit
frail veldt
I'm excited to have perma tricks
frail veldt
Like actually
frail veldt
I love perma tricks
quiet ore
that is essentially 10% dps
We kept a bug that gave us infinite cdr from coup for two weeks in tww s1, I think either way blizz moves slow for us
vivid vessel
that lasted 2 days wdym
or you mean double coup
which do you mean
too many bugs
i cant keep up
vivid vessel
ok but that one lasted 2 days
frail veldt
Double coup was a little while
frail veldt
Prob cuz fixing it required them to do actual developing
vivid vessel
and it was a capstone
frail veldt
And aura nerf us
frail veldt
So they won't nerf us
vivid vessel
awang
keen belfry
awang
quiet ore
I mean, even rn we have like a +2-4% aoe DPS bug that we're all quietly abusing that's gone unfixed all season because like... Zero gameplay impact, just tuning 🤷
vivid vessel
no one needs to know levy
also thats part of the tuning of the spec
because it has been there forever
so thats different
vivid vessel
i know right
keen belfry
blast?
frail veldt
I mean, even rn we have like a +2-4% aoe DPS bug that we're *all* quietly abusin...
Wait what
frail veldt
BRO
frail veldt
Oh as in I'm using it
vivid vessel
mewo
frail veldt
And I don't know?
vivid vessel
they get fixed
frail veldt
Oh okay cool
frail veldt
I'm curious though
vivid vessel
no you arent
frail veldt
But I guess I'll wait til it's fixed
keen belfry
lets just say mewo
vivid vessel
curiousity is bad mewo
keen belfry
look at ur buffs
vivid vessel
no dont look at your buffs mewo
vivid vessel
stfu wang
gaunt phoenix
the feedback part of the ambassador program has suggested that they dont worry a whole lot about "x skill dealing more damage" bugs, aka bugs that are offset by tuning
vivid vessel
i will ban you
vivid vessel
190k in a WS
nice
vivid vessel
i inted my last windreunner
keen belfry
i ended first pull at like 610
vivid vessel
remember the clips i sent
keen belfry
thoughts?
keen belfry
wanna see a sick clip
vivid vessel
ye show me
desert tendon
No
quiet ore
on last boss
Last boss would be a cakewalk if we still had shadowstep
vivid vessel
oh ye
i heard that happens
like he can melee after bladestorm
but also idk wtf happeend
with that bladestorm here
keen belfry
i also got stunned mid air
keen belfry
wanna know whats super sick
vivid vessel
skyreach has boss 2 triangles that are bugged orientation, the fact you can wiggle soak the beams, boss 3 bird one shotting you
vivid vessel
windrunner has that melee thing, and the last boss stunning you
keen belfry
i love grapple hoko
vivid vessel
cavern bird frontal !
frail veldt
skyreach has boss 2 triangles that are bugged orientation, the fact you can wigg...
also getting back to first bird boss too fast and he melees you
and you die
vivid vessel
double hitting you
frail veldt
very annoying
keen belfry
frail veldt
for yall using wa's do you just turn off the cdm so its hidden?
or does that break the tracking
keen belfry
why are you going so far
i let my boys get the close ones
vivid vessel
cant track buffs withot cdm anywya
quiet ore
also getting back to first bird boss too fast and he melees you
I always try to cloak the feathers for uptime and then evasion as his cast finishes to avoid the inevitable melee
quiet ore
Makes me miss evasion cdr
frail veldt
rip
vivid vessel
and then i have a few weak aura supporting all of it
sub to my patreon to learn more
elder sonnet
zac you blast so hard, if you were a pokemon you would be blastoise
vivid vessel
thanks i appreciate this
keen belfry
thgouhts?
vivid vessel
same
wintry solar
No ty
frail veldt
unsure what even causes that
keen belfry
bet displkacement into knockup can be weird
keen belfry
yo lil bro
quaint mauve
i don’t have it? i’ve updated it so idk
it’s just annoying when doing my pre pull shit
keen belfry
works on my end
quaint mauve
also bro we r chuds bro, 97 parse 100k dps below
quaint mauve
xd
quiet ore
I still think the blizzard UI of showing supercharger as cp overlays is lazy reused UI code that doesn't make much sense
keen belfry
works on my end
@quaint mauve
quaint mauve
i don’t like outlaw on that fight
quiet ore
I should swap my old WA into an addon...
keen belfry
wangbar so goated
quaint mauve
wangbar so goated
there’s another bug that i’ve been having with sub
when you shadow dance at full cps it doesn’t show the supercharge
but that’s whatever
vivid vessel
show me the ui you are using in your keys rn wang
real quick
wanna check something
quaint mauve
perfect: ❌
goated: âś…
keen belfry
u wanna see??
vivid vessel
ye
trim harbor
watch it be some cursed bs just to spite you
keen belfry
itll be a screenshot of vod
vivid vessel
ye i just wanna confirm something
quaint mauve
SHOW ME YOUR BAR
buy him dinner first
keen belfry
bar'
text keeps moving
from ayijecdm
just know zac ur castbar stays sometimes
not sure if im on latest
low glade
!wangbar
vivid vessel
not for me
low glade
vivid vessel
which cast bar
keen belfry
have u updated
vivid vessel
player or not player
keen belfry
ur WA castbar
vivid vessel
ye maybe
keen belfry
target
keen belfry
its channels i think
keen belfry
the rogue pack i use ur ayijecdm thing
vivid vessel
but do you use the general weak aura pack thingy
keen belfry
oh ur general interface? yes i use like 70% of them
the wa pack
with like shadowborder, gcd, melee range etc
vivid vessel
are you still on uuf
keen belfry
suf
vivid vessel
ye
keen belfry
yes
keen belfry
are cast bars in there
vivid vessel
ye
keen belfry
ok id elete old casts bars
vivid vessel
btw
awang
would you be interested in a custom weak aura for buff tracking
like i had before
keen belfry
which buffs
vivid vessel
i know i can do it, its not even hard and i have been thinking about it
just all buffs/debuff things
you know
so you can skin them
cause with suf
you cant really skin them
keen belfry
id check itout, i lowkey really like where ui has ended up
oh you mean
player debuffs/buffs?
and target
vivid vessel
ye me neither
i started checking out how hard it would be to do
its not
so maybe i do it
or
keen belfry
yes
keen belfry
do u think WAs come bcak this xpac
vivid vessel
i wanted to change suf buffs
add options
directly in suf
but idk
i hate how buffs are done in suf
or just anchoring in general
in code
its genuily
keen belfry
the anchoring makes no sense
keen belfry
do they also go over your cdm
cause i wante dto change that like
2 weeks ago
but ayije has no strata setting
keen belfry
banger
vivid vessel
and it has no strata option either
thats why i added one
it was driving me crazy
also awang
i made a banger weak aur
you wanna see
look
keen belfry
hmm the focus cast bar not working
vivid vessel
anchor prolly
keen belfry
no i checked not sure
craggy barn
i have to resort to queue as sin to get into keys now sadge
keen belfry
oh thats good
vivid vessel
i wanted to make it a circle display thing but its not possible
so its a lil bar
or could be a icon
whichever is prefered
also i was lazy and didnt finish so it never hides
but its whatever
vivid vessel
oh thats good
its honestly possible to do that for most bosses with a debuff that isnt private
that you would want to track
with a little trickery
keen belfry
im unsure why ur focus isnt working
i even change dit to target
removed anything taht i think would hide it
vivid vessel
oh
vivid vessel
it doesnt work for my anymore
keen belfry
yes?
vivid vessel
oh right
keen belfry
vivid vessel
ye
keen belfry
i was testing it on myself
vivid vessel
no ye
i actually did that and forgot
cause it tilts me when i focus an ally in raid
to like step on him
and i see his cast bar
keen belfry
yes that makes sense
vivid vessel
perma
haughty sandal
WA works again?
haughty sandal
Long as it does WA things, Im good with it
haughty sandal
Lul
tiny onyx
my cortisol levels spiked reading the pinned and seeing we might be playing KS again
keen belfry
hey u can play trickster without KS for only 1.9% dps loss
vivid vessel
like the addon
keen belfry
and havent touche dit since
keen belfry
sure
vivid vessel
install wowup
keen belfry
i dont wanna delete it man why
vivid vessel
im not doing it myself cause i have it checkout with github and shit it would be annoying
vivid vessel
i dont wanna delete it man why
you will reinstall its fine lil bud
keen belfry
wowup cant even find my wow exec
what u want to m etest ill see if its worth the effort of deleting
vivid vessel
what u want to m etest ill see if its worth the effort of deleting
this works right
keen belfry
i doubt that wowup can take github packages
vivid vessel
bro it can
just try
thats what you do with liquid addon shit or smth
idk
just do it tell me it works
im almost certain it does i just need you to do it
if even an idiot like you can do it !
then anyone can
keen belfry
keen belfry
now i gotta download this shit again gg
keen belfry
nuh uh
outer meteor
bro why does my rtb buffs keep disappearing
have to legit look top right the whole key
vivid vessel
bro still not using zac's ui 
fathom bramble
thoughts? @vivid vessel
fathom bramble
bird unfortunately
fathom bramble
holding damage for 200 years only to fuck up on last egg phase
well I was prepping sin as backup already so I just went with that
vivid vessel
gege
fathom bramble
even though sub is prob/maybe better
potent walrus
what do we think best spec for high keys is gonna be after tuesday
vivid vessel
outlaw prolly
foggy cove
vivid vessel
it has changed
potent walrus
will my wrist still hurt after a key
keen belfry
n o
vivid vessel
maybe if you are old
keen belfry
unless u have wrist problems
fathom bramble
if you have bad posture and button mash too hard it will still have similar amounts of wrist damage
or have bad wrists for other reasons ig
potent walrus
lol
fathom bramble
like it's still very low gcd and gcd capped
we just lost some offgcd stuff so the apm is technically lower
silk stirrup
It feels super slow for me since midnight
fathom bramble
if it feels super slow it is likely a haste issue
potent walrus
just looked at pinned messages, has outlaw ever not had bugs to it LOL
every season i swear theres some huge bug with the spec
ig now its the buffs
fathom bramble
there was a time long ago
potent walrus
not bein tracked which isnt rlly the spec
vivid vessel
its just the cdm
potent walrus
but still sounds aids
potent walrus
yea the envenom stacks ive noticed
vivid vessel
with a bugged cdm
vivid vessel
yes
potent walrus
yea thats aids too
silk stirrup
if it feels super slow it is likely a haste issue
Well I have around 24% haste but sims telling me no more haste
potent walrus
yep
silk stirrup
Is there a video or something showing the radius of the new smokebomb?
fathom bramble
Well I have around 24% haste but sims telling me no more haste
well idk what to tell you. the spec is as a matter of fact quite fast paced
silk stirrup
well idk what to tell you. the spec is as a matter of fact quite fast paced
I meant mostly compared to TWW
vivid vessel
^
fathom bramble
if you are just use to being 100% AR uptime then it could feel slow in comparison, but we have high AR uptime still and are generally gcd capped
silk stirrup
Trying to prep my tank mentally yo not move out of it too much
potent walrus
ive always hated blade rush
trim harbor
what are pros and cons of prep for m+ i see its ran in high keys
potent walrus
goddam this spec has changed a lot since dreaming season
no dance or subterfuge
how the helly do i bte
alright where the outlaw guide at
are there any outlaw rogue streamers that do high keys
wintry solar
It's great right? Screw subt
potent walrus
im confused how tf i even do dmg
this class isnt between the eyes spam anymore?
spec*
quaint wharf
im confused how tf i even do dmg
#outlaw-faq has everything u need
gaunt phoenix
You are just building and spending
Bte is the priority finisher and it resets a lot
But there is no crackshot window. You are just... doing the same rotation all the time
If you are doing everything right then you maintain stage 2+ roll the bones almost all the time
Which is needed to deal damage
Stage 1 is garbo
dull ginkgo
Have we figured out our talents for the up coming 12.0.5? W/ KS and 2/2 Acev
gaunt phoenix
Yea in the 2nd pinned msg
dull ginkgo
@gaunt phoenix sorry I’m on my phone currently, I can’t see the 2nd pin(?)
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> sorry I’m on my phone currently, I can’t see the 2nd pin(?...
It's the Trickster and 12.0.5 message
Press it
There are wowhead build links at the end
frail veldt
what are pros and cons of prep for m+ i see its ran in high keys
Pros: vibes
Cons: a gcd
But in reality it gives you a bit of a cooldown
So first pull of dungeon you can kinda do some stuff
Or damage amps/ other important pulls etc
It's almost no loss to take it over 1 pt in SD
But it does require more effort/brain power so
gaunt phoenix
Prep in keys is part of your momentum to maintain stage 2
Especially in some keys where to run around between mobs a bit
Next patch it's kind of required with the cloud cover shit
cinder relic
dull ginkgo
There are wowhead build links at the end
Goated. appreciate the work
nova sinew
any idea what our cloud cover uptime is
reef forge
pin mentions around 60%
swift moon
So we can not AR while gathering a pull anymore in keys as we have to stay on position?
I guess the cloud just stays there where you pressed AR
vague cape
So we can not AR while gathering a pull anymore in keys as we have to stay on po...
You can dip in and out of it
But you’d not want it away from where the mobs are grouped ye
swift moon
Kinda annoying tbh, love being a running AR crackhead in MT or WS
real glade
why is AR effectively taking me out of stealth? is there a new mechanic to it i dont know about? just came back from a break recently
reef forge
fatebound throws a coin
hallow hemlock
!tricks
ornate heathBOT
unique fulcrum
that takes me out of stealth?
if u target an enemy ye
reef forge
does the COEE trinket sim correctly?
next thunder
crown... we out here... (got aotc tho haha)
karmic gust
i see people doing high keys that have an addon with a voice that tell them to interrupt important casts, do you know the name of it ?
crimson spade
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
static crescent
!tricks
ornate heathBOT
icy hare
Looks like fartcloud will actually go live
Think it's intentional and why we probably only got a 4% buff
jagged plover
if only it wasn't tied to trickster 
hazy temple
I tried making an addon that plays a different sound for a jackpot, has anyone had luck with creating this type of addon? I used chatgpt and i am not strong in coding.
Although i did get it to work, out of combat, but in combat it seems imposible for the addon to check what tier we got from our roll
does anyone have any sugestions / ideas?
gaunt phoenix
it's not possible for an addon to see your rtb stage in combat
hazy temple
daring yoke
does anyone have any sugestions / ideas?
i use arcui to track rtb aura. so it tells me what stage i have. no sounds for different stages though
(left of my CP bar in gif)
hazy temple
just wanted the dopamine from a jackpot to play a zelda opening the chest sound
hazy temple
i use arcui to track rtb aura. so it tells me what stage i have. no sounds for d...
i dont want a "helper" i simply want a different sound for a jackpot
mighty pivot
technically detecting jackpot was/is possible until 12.0.5 coming next reset
but only jackpot, and only by checking your crit % and guessing it's jackpot when it goes up 10%
(or 15 if talented)
hazy temple
technically detecting jackpot was/is possible until 12.0.5 coming next reset
thats a cool work around ill check that out
hazy temple
technically detecting jackpot was/is possible until 12.0.5 coming next reset
why would that not work in 12.0.5?
mighty pivot
stat api will return secret values then
exactly because people abused it to detect PI and such
but also I dunno why you would spend time on something that is going away in 3 days 
near rock
ive never had this rtb cdm bug and I play a lot 🤔 weird I wonder what activates it
hazy temple
but also I dunno why you would spend time on something that is going away in 3 d...
don't question my sanity, im playing outlaw in this miserable state :^)
gaunt phoenix
Yes
fluid meadow
ive never had this rtb cdm bug and I play a lot 🤔 weird I wonder what activates...
there are more bugs with action bar too, i have castsequence macro for adr, but sometimes it doesnt reset in action bar just after the full cd expires
can press the button after the timer expires but the icon doesnt show correctly
near rock
thats wild I've literally never had any of those
but I believe it
maybe full base UI is protecting me
fluid meadow
my action bar is simple, and just a simple macro, idk if prep gives this bug or other thing, happened only like 3-4 times since weeks
kind otter
!UP
ornate heathBOT
torn jackal
Hey guys, can someone do me a quick review of the current state of outlaw rn in M+, wanted to switch from assa . Pretty new to the spec but it seems soo fun. I saw aswell that upcoming would be a 10% increase but downgrade on gaemplay . Are you realy tank dependant or do you have enough tools to shine in every situations ?
junior folio
I don't think outlaw is tank dependent more than any DPS is, if anything sin is worse. Spec is top tier if you look at zac's score, but it feels ok in general, I don't feel held back by it
torn jackal
Thanks for ur answer , i'll give it a try
junior folio
Take it with a grain of salt, highest key I've done was 16 magister, Zac is pushing 20s
We don't have millions of dmg opener in algethar but damage is strong on the targets that matter
torn jackal
kk thanks , also i read the pins about upcoming changes
i did see that outlaw will have a gameplay downgrade but i can't project myself since i have 0 knowledge on the spec
junior folio
That's very subjective, downgrade or not will remain to be seen, people doom really fast on wow
torn jackal
ok i see , if it's 10% dmg increase it's huge tho
junior folio
Although it's true that the trickster suffers from resources economy, it doesn't mean when it drops it feels good to play or that blizz doesn't make it better
quaint sable
Its not just resource economy its mainly that KS interupts the flow of the spec as channeling for soo long during AR just feels wrong. Even if it is the right play.
rocky stratus
is still viable to cut the KS when full combo points or i have to channel it all the way
junior folio
I don't want to go down that road again, I love pressing killing spree but I know most don't
What really interrupts the flow of the spec is rolling stage 1
That's the worse feeling playing outlaw for me
quaint sable
If u play correctly that like barely happens and ur tea charges mostly make up for it. Unless u get hella unlucky.
junior folio
I don't use kir on stage 2s so when adrenaline still has 1min cd I have to natty roll and it happens
quaint sable
Tho stage 1 also feels worse on trickster cause u lose the extra cp u get on ss from the fb tree
junior folio
Yeah stage 1 should be removed from the game if it was me, being punished for a spec having roll play integrated into the kit is so dog
Reminds me when diabolist locks used to have rng in which demon they popped first and even that they made a known order
I don't mind having random on stage 2 and beyond because the spec still functions, but stage 1 I legit get annoyed and want to abandon dungeon
quiet ore
I tried making an addon that plays a different sound for a jackpot, has anyone h...
Use the base UI CDM aura added audio alerts and send the sound to the text to speech sound where it says the aura name
Unfortunately it just says the aura name, so if you want added and removed sounds it's going to get confusing if you use the TTS alert for both
blissful owl
Where can I post for log review?
near rock
@gaunt phoenix plugged in the variation into the current list for fun
junior folio
<@921608341048930304> plugged in the variation into the current list for fun
what is a deviation percentage?
near rock
the average amount of variance that can occur in your dps essentially
blissful owl
!log
blazing wraith
I wanted to share a project I’ve been working on that solves one of the most annoying "manual" tasks in the game. I took the open-source Dynamic Macro addon and gave it a significant functional overhaul.
How it works:
The original addon automatically replaces player names in your macros based on their roles (Healer, Tank, or DPS). For example, if you use a utility spell like:
/cast [@playername] Tricks of the Trade
The addon detects who the current player in that role is and swaps their name into the macro automatically.
The Upgrade:
Originally, this was only available for Arenas. I’ve modified the code so it now works seamlessly across all group content:
Dungeons (5-man)
Parties (Open world)
Raids (All sizes)
How to Install:
Download the base addon from CurseForge: [DynamicMacros - PvP](https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/dynamicmacros-pvp)
Navigate to your WoW AddOns folder: C:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft\_retail_\Interface\AddOns\DynamicMacros
Replace the files: Copy my modified files and overwrite the existing ones in that folder.
**Enjoy the automation! ** Note: To make it work, ensure your macro string contains [@dynamicmacros] instead of player name!
near rock
I wanted to share a project I’ve been working on that solves one of the most ann...
aint the place bro
junior folio
the average amount of variance that can occur in your dps essentially
so the higher the number the more unpredictable the damage is?
near rock
yes
blazing wraith
aint the place bro
mb where to post then?
hollow temple
mb where to post then?
generally just posting things out of the blue is kinda seen as 'self promo'
oh you're not just posting your own addon
its actual code
idek then
karmic gust
it's not possible for an addon to see your rtb stage in combat
I made an addon that does just that using kimi ai. Just provided it the /fstack of every icon and their name. When I have stage 4 or 5 the icon glows and I know I can use kir
silk stirrup
That's the worse feeling playing outlaw for me
Yes. And then pressing 4 SS in a row and each generate 1 CP and no procs
And u're out of energy
junior folio
And u're out of energy
brooo stop making me relieve my nightmares 
mystic berry
What will be the trickster builder prio again? We lose extra cp from fb, so its 3 cp on 2+ and 3 on PS?
we PS on 1 cp then ss? No longer fish for opp procs with SS on 3 charges of opp?
remote pecan
mb where to post then?
also fork the repo and commit so people can actually check it out rather than copying files
thorny mural
sorry if its been mentioned already but how do we feel about the tweak on tuesday
i dont understand what it means by 3%/6% instead of 5% on ace up your sleeve, but at least we always get 4cp from it and better up time on crimson vial
mystic berry
Like solo said in the pins, its a numerical buff, but it plays a lot worse
frail veldt
I made an addon that does just that using kimi ai. Just provided it the /fstack ...
Can you show a vid of this working
Rtb doesn't have a stage 5 though
karmic gust
i meant the jackpot one
i still think about the old one
I'd have to remake the addon I wasn't using it enough and just removed it but it'd be fun to make it again
silk stirrup
i dont understand what it means by 3%/6% instead of 5% on ace up your sleeve, bu...
Instead of 5% chance per combo point, now the chance is 3% at 1 talent point, and 6% chance at 2 talent points, and now it's always 4 CP refunded
blazing wraith
also fork the repo and commit so people can actually check it out rather than co...
sure ill make a github quick
silk stirrup
Basically now it will be stronger but you are pretty much forced to put 2 points into it, because what we care was the reset chance, not the CP generated
keen belfry
the ace change good in a vacuum cuz its just more ace resets, but the issue of building at 5 and being a heavily contested point still exist
gaunt phoenix
we PS on 1 cp then ss? No longer fish for opp procs with SS on 3 charges of opp?
You technically should PS at 1 but you can continue to do the same rule
For trickster PS at 1 or SS at 1 is identical in the end
indigo token
the average amount of variance that can occur in your dps essentially
fun
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> plugged in the variation into the current list for fun
We gamba
nocturne shuttle
keen belfry
why is the variance higher as trickster
remote pecan
Worse energy so lower lows with one of a kind rolls?
keen belfry
my guess is just builders
fossil lintel
Probably due to energy issues?
keen belfry
which lead to energy is bad yeahj
fossil lintel
Yeah
cinder relic
Probably also the same reason subs variance goes up. The crit talent is a lot of damage
keen belfry
i wonder how many more builders trickster presses than fatebound
fossil lintel
Oh yeah, not criting those ps
fossil lintel
Oh man I really wish we still had gsw for this, it might have been actually playable again
keen belfry
trickster so funny for sub vs outlaw
they get crit chance ontheir storm
we get it on ps
so our ps legit has like, 70% crit chance baseline now if ur around 40
or 60*
i wonder if trickster wants more crit than fatebound
keen belfry
oh yeah so ps will have your crit + 25% chance to crit as trciskter
cinder relic
i wonder if trickster wants more crit than fatebound
Probably. It again juices it a lot for sub
But crit is already our best stat so
Goes from best to best
fossil lintel
It overflows into dogshit
keen belfry
and we dont run the +10% crit talent anymore which made trickster want less previously, and fb had the +3% crit (kinda nothing)
serene urchin
whats it lookin like for .5 are we going trickster?
cinder relic
Yes
keen belfry
we are sacrificing gameplay and variance and energy and fun for +13% dmg
fossil lintel
Fartlaw will be huge
keen belfry
take that how u will
wanna know wahts funny tho
was talking to zac about this
with our 13% buff im still not going to beat my arms warriors in a real key
keen belfry
m+ tuning is just, weird
serene urchin
how different is trickster rotation btw
keen belfry
how different is trickster rotation btw
its easier
fossil lintel
Yeah arms need someone to carry bosses
cinder relic
Even if keys are mostly aoe damage, dealing 13% more st is a lot. Even in a key
serene urchin
its easier
oh wow alright then
frail veldt
will we beat demo
tough salmon
Eh you give Arms funnel and they top boss damage too
keen belfry
yeah in pure st no amp probably best st in game
frail veldt
with full melee buffs
keen belfry
Eh you give Arms funnel and they top boss damage too
stuff likethis is why m+ tuning is weird
cinder relic
For keys probs in raid u still have competition with shit like Aug, udk
keen belfry
with full melee buffs
you will do nearly 90k without full buffs now
keen belfry
demo dont always do 90k
fossil lintel
And then a week later we're getting aura nerfed, will be stuck on trickster with the same damage as now
keen belfry
they are op tho
tough salmon
If Arms gets nerfed before Aug I might just show up at blizzard HQ with a machete though
keen belfry
And then a week later we're getting aura nerfed, will be stuck on trickster with...
i do think we are goiung to be giga in raid
keen belfry
If Arms gets nerfed before Aug I might just show up at blizzard HQ with a machet...
im guessing youve seen top logs of augs in keys
its actually absurd
cinder relic
They generally don't balance around m+ and I feel the actual God comp with Aug udk is more competitive
keen belfry
they do infintie dmg
serene urchin
whats dps loss on not hitting ks
tough salmon
Theres apparently a sketchy exploit
cinder relic
Even if melee comp is really good this szn again
keen belfry
whats dps loss on not hitting ks
1.9% if you dont talent it
serene urchin
1.9% if you dont talent it
deal
keen belfry
i tried a no ks build, its actually too boring for me
frail veldt
the early season melee comp always tends to overperform
fossil lintel
Crazy that disabling half the shit in trickster is 1.9% loss
keen belfry
its like fatebound with worse finisher rules
static crescent
how using pistol shot with that actually go
keen belfry
coups just feel good so i will eat the vibes loss of pressing KS for more coups
frail veldt
Crazy that disabling half the shit in trickster is 1.9% loss
KS is that bad of a button/talent
is why
fossil lintel
Yeah
serene urchin
its fatebound but at 1cp 2rtb u just ps and finisher right
near rock
Even if keys are mostly aoe damage, dealing 13% more st is a lot. Even in a key
its even better because the majority of that 13% overall buff is concentrated into burst, so higher burst on top of 13% overall dps
vivid vessel
But arms also doesn't deal st
They funnel so it's kinda fake
keen belfry
if youre at 1cp, 1 op proc, you can press whatever build uw ant
serene urchin
oh wait we drop the 5cp dispatch rule or smth
static crescent
think you always build at 5cp with trickster right
keen belfry
its either ss ps or ps ss
vivid vessel
its even better because the majority of that 13% overall buff is concentrated in...
It's not burst tho
20s uptime every 36 s
fossil lintel
its even better because the majority of that 13% overall buff is concentrated in...
Our uptime on it will be huge though
cinder relic
They funnel so it's kinda fake
Can't funnel every boss but yeah
Outlaw is also funnel 
fossil lintel
Are we considered funnel?
frozen quest
Does assa and outlaw have same stat prio ?
cinder relic
Does assa and outlaw have same stat prio ?
All 3 specs are crit haste rn
keen belfry
Are we considered funnel?
beikng able to press bf as builder is quite a lot of funnel gained
it depends on how u describe funnel vs prio tho xd
i consider it prio not funnel
vivid vessel
Can't funnel every boss but yeah
Eeh
keen belfry
but thats smememeamentaics
cinder relic
Is arms also not prio then
silk stirrup
So the new build is basically just the same but we change sleight of hand to 2 Ace?
keen belfry
idk how arms prio works funnel works
its like 3 targets and their demolish is extended
or something
fossil lintel
Second boss of MT?
vivid vessel
Arms double their st with 2 more target
cinder relic
Afaik it's similar to how deft works where it's like, your aoe button causes your st damage to go up
vivid vessel
Outlaw gains a lil bit
silk stirrup
Second boss of MT?
In theory you can go out while RP and pull stuff
vivid vessel
Both spec can be considered as funneling
fossil lintel
I remember when sub trully funneled
vivid vessel
But it's not really much for outlaw so
fossil lintel
Just storm into 2x damage evis
keen belfry
when i think of funnel i think of assa, their dmg is legit copied onto their marked target etc. but this is all semantics
where as we are prio
static crescent
thats deathstalker tho
keen belfry
just st an add down in aoe
keen belfry
thats deathstalker tho
well yes tahts not the point
vivid vessel
That's not what funnel means awang tho
Funnel is just doing more st with more target
Funneling damage to one target
Whatever the way
keen belfry
isnt that wahat assa is
fossil lintel
Yeah funnel is whenever you deal more ST damage if there's more mobs around
vivid vessel
ok but outlaw deft is also funnel?
fossil lintel
Assa had funnel in tww
keen belfry
im so glad mewo isnt here for this semantics debate
keen belfry
maybe prio and funnel are the exact same thing
keen belfry
is arcane funnel or prio
fossil lintel
No, fire mages for example with the ignite build did prio but not funnel
frail veldt
prio is just doing more damage to the main target
frail veldt
^
cinder relic
Were you dragging or rushing
frail veldt
lolol
vivid vessel
gaining prio damage with more targets is called funnel
frail veldt
see wang im not even being pedantic here
keen belfry
oh so like:
a button that does more dmg to main target but less to off tgarget is prio
a button that does more dmg to main based on targets is funnel
jolly geyser
a fennel is a vegetable
frail veldt
this is just the reality
keen belfry
is that the rule?
frail veldt
oh so like:
a button that does more dmg to main target but less to off tgarget ...
its not about the button more about the spec/profile but yeah
keen belfry
oh so like:
a button that does more dmg to main target but less to off tgarget ...
is this right chat
fair ice
Assa does gain some damage from multiple mobs being around
Quite a good amount actually
fossil lintel
Doesn't have to be a single button but yeah
fair ice
Not even talking about deathstalker