#outlaw

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worldly zephyr
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oh ive been playing it all expansion, its definitely harder than assa and sub but thats the whole reason im playing it lol

fossil lintel
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Next week we should get bonus rerolls and there's a juicy haste crit dagger on PoS we can reroll for at myth track

storm hemlock
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What's being adjusted?

fossil lintel
storm hemlock
cinder relic
fossil lintel
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called fart cloud, ftfy

keen belfry
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this is the first tier where i dont feel completely useless on that pull, only semi

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we have goo ddmg profile on that pull and actuall do like 10% uncapped dmg

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nbd

storm hemlock
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Trickster thing?

fossil lintel
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Yeah

fathom bramble
mystic berry
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Yeah first AA pull will be rough

keen belfry
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it used to be worse

fathom bramble
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so we don't really fit the bill of doing half damage on that pull anymore

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as we are much less capped than previous versions of law

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as much as people still complain about BF

keen belfry
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depends on specs, but yeah not half anymore

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can be half tho

mystic berry
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how big is the fart?

fathom bramble
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not comparing to any spec

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just comparing how soft at 8 and hard at 8 work

keen belfry
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oh i see

cinder relic
storm hemlock
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So trickster is jumping ahead then? I like how cruise control fb is

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Except I get teased for pooping out coins

river wing
timid idol
mystic berry
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Tbfh my only issue with trickster is building at 5

fathom bramble
mystic berry
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Ks is tolerable

river wing
storm hemlock
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Is the cloud visible to others though?

timid idol
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in that case theres barely gonna be any dipping in and out with how big ts is

cinder relic
fathom bramble
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given the amount of uncapped burst the game has seen since 2020 it doesn't seem to apply anymore though

mystic berry
cinder relic
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They don't

timid idol
storm hemlock
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Kinda cool

keen belfry
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yeah building at 5 is ass, but coups interaction with ruthelessness helps u often times be able to build once and spend at 6+, and we are getting more ace resets

timid idol
mystic berry
fossil lintel
cinder relic
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They did!

timid idol
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thats so good then

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perfect

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gonna be changed very fast

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lets fucking go

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imma grief the shit out of keys

mystic berry
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Now I can blind my group

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from puddles

timid idol
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intentionally hooking on my healer just to ar then hooking back

cinder relic
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Here's me testing on my paladin with eleem

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storm hemlock
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So its 10-20 seconds of uptime basically

timid idol
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HOLY GRIEF OPTIMISATION

fathom bramble
cinder relic
fossil lintel
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Bro I'm gonna kill so many people with the solar elemental before the last boss of SR

fathom bramble
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I'm like 40% sure instances have different rules for spell hiding

mystic berry
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Oh my god this is hilarious

cinder relic
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Oh maybe

fossil lintel
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You can already barely see it when it's on the glass floor

fathom bramble
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and pvp unhides some stuff that is hidden in dungeons too

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so it's all very specific

keen belfry
fossil lintel
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I'm gonna fart all over it

mystic berry
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My friends will curse me for griefing lmao

storm hemlock
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Bring back Boon so I can be a fart tornado

keen belfry
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i want to to be an essential spell everyone sees

cinder relic
keen belfry
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holy moly everyone gonna see it

fathom bramble
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also if you turn particle density to low the cloud is way less obstructive

mystic berry
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I cant see shit in there

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Lmao

fossil lintel
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This is going to be great

mystic berry
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this will be funny

storm hemlock
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Do you think this'll put prep ahead too?

fossil lintel
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Ok I'm on board with going trickster now suskaygeagreegebusiness

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Until they fix the visual on this

gaunt phoenix
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Yes, you will use prep

timid idol
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fartlaw

mystic berry
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Atleast we will get 1 hour tricks bros

remote pecan
fossil lintel
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I can't wait for people asking wtf is that next week, I'll make so many fart jokes

timid idol
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shartlaw

fossil lintel
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I need to bind a soundboard fart to my AR keybind

mystic berry
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let the smoke kill my party atleast once

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it will be so worth it

storm hemlock
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Skyreach wind circles come to mind

fossil lintel
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We can bring the old KS experience to the entire group now

mystic berry
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lmao

fossil lintel
worldly zephyr
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ah yes , whenever im top dps on the first AA pull i know a wipe and key abandonment is imminent lmfao

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beat the ret pal...

mystic berry
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the dawn of the fartlaw

fossil lintel
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mog for next week

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strong cargo
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I just depleted a key because these flags won't let me hook if they end up in front of my mouse thx blizz 🙂 Watch out friends

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vivid vessel
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ye

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many such things !

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i still dont get why they have actual objects/walls/ceillings

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that can impact camera

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its been an issue forever

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i dont really get it

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like when your camera get stuck on random things on the ceiling

balmy topaz
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It’s thematic!!!!!

vivid vessel
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or you send a ground targeted spell on the ceilling

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what even is the point

balmy topaz
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Zac are you ready

vivid vessel
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you never see these things ?

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unless you look up bro

balmy topaz
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To press killing spree

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Again

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Because killing spree in MC

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Is going to actually be awful

vivid vessel
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no ..

dull ginkgo
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Killing spree is coming back?! Ohh no..

proven ocean
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Mommy spree is coming back?! Ohh no..

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Killing spree is coming back?! Ohh no..*

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auto correct

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Mb

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Saw the conversation few days ago but was in a raid forgor to respond

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I played 250-300ms on ptr perfect outlaw

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Its just alot harder

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300 ms is where u start making mistakes but

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250-270 is playable and u can parse 100s i think

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Its just so hard u have to already have mastered ur class to a rly high level that u already know what ur gonna click next and if it has a chance to be a different outcome Zerossthinking

swift moon
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
jolly geyser
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!ui

ornate heathBOT
placid ocean
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Is aoe blind even going to be that good?

peak dock
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Does anyone know if gear obtained with reroll void tokens is instantly soulbound? For 12.0.5

placid ocean
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Would be weird if it wasnt

proven ocean
shy sandal
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when i downlaod M33kauras is therea way to delete everything i had at once?

cinder relic
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It's a good aoe stop

river wing
cinder relic
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Very low cd

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Doesn't Dr with anything

river wing
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it's gonna go back to 1 min, Guy

proven ocean
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Also

river wing
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which is rather average

placid ocean
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The main use I can see is as a channel intereupt

proven ocean
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I dont expect an average top player to play perfectly on his class at 250 ms

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Its insanely hard to pull it off

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Let alone outlaw having lower gcd

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You just need to understand what high ms does to your gameplay

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And not just say oh i have some delay

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And 110 ms is like 0 delay

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Especially when u go down to 90-100ms u can basically do anything

fossil lintel
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I play with 150ish, it's rough sometimes

proven ocean
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Only issue with 200-250 ms is like u wont be able to kick properly and use defensives fast enough in some situations

fossil lintel
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especially double casting if your spellqueue is big

proven ocean
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300 is probably just unplayable ngl

proven ocean
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Its not ideal but u shouldn’t have any mistakes with that ping

fossil lintel
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it's not bad

proven ocean
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Its just human error

fossil lintel
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if i connect to OCE i get 220-250, it's significantly worse

leaden sonnet
cinder relic
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Isnt there double talents for outlaw that lower it more

proven ocean
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Aoe blind?

cinder relic
proven ocean
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Would be cool if it did but

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Ye thats st blind tho

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Isnt it

gentle lotus
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quick qn on upcoming class hanges w regards to m+ runs....does it mean its way harder to sustain dps if tank chain pulls since we cannot dip back into pool?

fossil lintel
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separate talent

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you can get both

cinder relic
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were getting aoe blind again

proven ocean
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U can now?

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Get both?

tired wolf
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is it all downhill from here

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proven ocean
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Thats good

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Used to be choose either

tired wolf
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from a 14 spire

cinder relic
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but the uptime is very high overall

proven ocean
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I mean idk if 45 sec aoe stop is decent

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I guess its good

fossil lintel
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hook back to your fart right before it expires, then hook back in

proven ocean
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Ye 45 sec is great

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1 min isnt

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45 sec probably means u get 2 uses in a pack

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Not sure how fast packs die in m+ rn

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But 45 sec sounds great

mystic berry
ashen void
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... ???? you don't do that already?

fossil lintel
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We ARE rogues, that is kind of expected

cinder relic
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Is this just going to become a weird fart fetish channel now

mystic berry
fossil lintel
ashen void
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Shadow Dust was the beginning

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Fart Cloud Cover... the apotheosis

proven ocean
fossil lintel
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i mean, people always complain that rogue doesn't have a good fantasy, maybe this is finally it?

ashen void
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ross have you watched any good tv shows since leaving wow

fossil lintel
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you can be a ret and kill things with holy-power infused strikes, or you can be a rogue and kill shit with fart power

proven ocean
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Been grinding osrs hard

timid portal
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any good updates on osrs?

proven ocean
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Its so god damn slow

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Waiting for new major update we get ranged upgrade+seeker arrows

fresh acorn
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Does Valeera get fart cloud too?

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Asking for a friend of course

cinder relic
placid ocean
rancid silo
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she already has smoke bomb

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😭

proven ocean
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Already over 100 hmt kc no scythe kit

outer meteor
dull geyser
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what are these whisperings of outlaw buffs ppl are speaking of?

fossil lintel
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just farts in the wind

placid ocean
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Damage buffs, gameplay nerfs

cinder relic
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New hero talent is very strong

placid ocean
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Guy, do you know what talents we're taking with trickster?

cinder relic
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Just the one in the pins as of now

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Random minor talent might get swapped out

outer meteor
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we also playing trickster in raid or is it just an aoe thing

cinder relic
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Trickster is better on all target counts

outer meteor
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sadge

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i liked fatebound in raid

twilit topaz
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Please let our AOE be OP for alteast one week!

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vivid vessel
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thats last week

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2 weeks ago even idk

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you living under a rock lil bro

twilit topaz
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I scrolled down too far on the 17th patch notes 🤦‍♂️

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Like miles

cinder relic
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bro on internet explorer

carmine mountain
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Netscape Navigator

plain portal
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anyone got a link to the patch notes thats making everyone get on the outlaw hype train lmao

narrow pasture
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12.0.5 patch notes on wowhead

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check pins for tldr

placid ocean
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There's a hype train?

plain portal
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seems more like a fart train from reading the last 2 hours of this channel

dull ginkgo
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Ace Up Your Sleeve has been updated – Between the Eyes has a 3%/6% chance (was 5%) per combo point spent to grant 4 combo points (was 2/4) and reset its own cooldown

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So do we take 2/2 for ace??

fossil lintel
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that ain't it

frail veldt
dull ginkgo
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Which talent is best to sub out for 2/2 ace?

fossil lintel
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Why is our trickster change under assassination in the notes? 😂

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idk if the wowhead guys fix this or keep it as blizzard posted, but probably a good fix 😂

lime lake
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Patchnotegpt has done that a few times

placid ocean
fossil lintel
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Yeah they can't get even whoever is working on rogue to go over the notes

dusty magnet
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does outlaw stat weighting change at all in m+, like does mastery gain a lil more value or vice versa/etc

jagged elbow
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idk if it has changed since previous expansions but mastery has usually been a little stronger in aoe

carmine mountain
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mastery... ewwww

jagged elbow
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/spit

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on mastery

carmine mountain
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hahah

weary goblet
placid ocean
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How is mastery stronger in aoe? Do our aa's cleave with bf?

river wing
frail veldt
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for trickster you drop 1 pt in sum disp for KS

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and then you can drop a 2nd point in sum disp for prep

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but then you can drop acro to pick up sleight again

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so

river wing
frail veldt
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I think the final build will be no acro

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yeah

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no acro no sum disp

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and you get prep sleight ks and 2pt ace

river wing
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400 dps isn't worth the worse rtb

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yah

mystic berry
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like, so painful

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losing sleight, summ and acro in a single patch

frail veldt
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not losing sleight

mystic berry
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True true

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I misread

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Does dropping acro diminishes the value of fast OH?

narrow pasture
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in the ST build

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what if we drop acro sleight

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for fao

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or is that overcooking

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life is hard without fao

stuck patrol
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What is fao? My brain no worky

narrow pasture
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find an opening

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kinda smooths out energy in extended fights

frail veldt
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Value of fast offhand is from zero in

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Which we still take

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Acro is just flat auto attack damage

stuck patrol
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And fast oh is just better anyway bc of more poison procs

timid idol
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the balance team is like

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3 guys

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and they play

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mage pal dk

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thats it

stuck patrol
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They read rogue discord and be like

timid idol
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cope

stuck patrol
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Man, that Kretes guy is acting up again

timid idol
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insane cope that they even know of this discord's existance

stuck patrol
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Time to nerf rogue more

fossil lintel
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You realize realz is literally here right?

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They know about this discord

frail veldt
timid idol
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clue who

frail veldt
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Its almost always warlock

stuck patrol
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Rogue dev

timid idol
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i mean cool but

plain portal
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yo guys how is outlaw looking numbers wise next week post buffs?

timid idol
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every single ptr, especially before new xpac hits, genuine feedback is given nicely on that forum post and nothing changes with this class

plain portal
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im split between making a dagger for sin or a sword for outlaw

stuck patrol
plain portal
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specifically for m+ btw

frail veldt
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Susssss

stuck patrol
cinder relic
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I'll say it until I quit this game, you guys should really play other classes

frail veldt
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Who says we don't

cinder relic
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And realize many of your complaints exist on literally every spec in the game

frail veldt
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Nah

timid idol
frail veldt
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Some specs have it a lot better lol

fossil lintel
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I do play

plain portal
fossil lintel
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I have a monk and a priest

timid idol
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and by this logic, ret pallies were x30 more toxic when they were shit in tww s3

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and they got their buffs

stuck patrol
quiet root
cinder relic
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What are u even on about

fossil lintel
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monk is kind of in the same boat, priest gets a bit more

frail veldt
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I play other classes which is why I know rogue is exceptionally ignored

timid idol
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same lol

frail veldt
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I think I've played more priest this patch

fossil lintel
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never forget zac hates everything

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timid idol
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they shut down ret discord when the spec was average

cinder relic
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U think priest gets more positive attention than rogue?

timid idol
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AVERAGE

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nowhere near close to outlaw level rn

frail veldt
cinder relic
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So that wasn't my question

frail veldt
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My answer is yes

timid idol
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wasnt disc insanely op in s2 or s3 tww

frail veldt
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I do think that

cinder relic
fossil lintel
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Yes

cinder relic
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Have u guys lost the fucking plot

frail veldt
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What's the plot

fossil lintel
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shadow got a lot more attention than outlaw this expansion alone for sure

timid idol
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my point is that the entire rogue class is bricked, while priest still has options

cinder relic
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Rogue is bad for 1 patch

stuck patrol
cinder relic
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It's been the worst rogue has been in like, 6 years

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And it's just average

frail veldt
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I think my issue isn't tuning it's attention to gameplay issues

fossil lintel
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rogue is bad? I mean we average

frail veldt
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I feel like rogue "problems" take a long time to be fixed

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Deathstalkers mark

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Outlaw bugs

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Assa talent bugs

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KS rework

stuck patrol
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I don't think he's talking about numbers, he's talking about reworks/bug fixes

frail veldt
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Just general complaints and pain points take a long long time to get addressed

fossil lintel
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The problem is the design is often bad and we get no iterative process, it's just 1 or 2 changes every now and then and silence

frail veldt
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The class moves slow and when we do get changes they seem very misguided

stuck patrol
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Balance druid needs 2nd rework of the patch actually

timid idol
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even then, the issues are that we bring nothing, even when better tuned, to a group compared to other classes, by the logic of the game's current balance, all 3 rogue specs should be top 3 dps, because we have 0, zero, complete nada, utility

frail veldt
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Blind aoe removal?

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Adr haste tax?

timid idol
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in no way shape or form should ever under any circumstance dk do more dmg than a rogue

frail veldt
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KS hitting random targets

fossil lintel
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the most exciting thing that has happened to rogue in the past 3 tiers is a damn fart cloud

frail veldt
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Deadly pursuit????

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What are these changes

cinder relic
frail veldt
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Slop

cinder relic
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Do u just forget how broken the spec was in mfo

fossil lintel
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What did we get new in the past 3 tiers that you're excited about design wise?

frail veldt
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We're talking about gameplay I think you're overly focused on tuning guy

cinder relic
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Then how is cloud cover exciting gameplay

frail veldt
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It's not

stuck patrol
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It's not lol

frail veldt
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The example was it's a low bar

fossil lintel
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I get to fuck my teammates by hiding AoEs from them

stuck patrol
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It's just SOMETHING different, that's basically it

frail veldt
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It was an example that that's the quality of changes outlaw receives to it's gameplay

fossil lintel
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and that is the most exciting thing we got, to see how low we are 😂

cinder relic
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If Ur talking about gameplay then all 3 specs got a redesign this patch. You can think they suck, but I like all of them

timid idol
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gameplay is here and there, underhanded was fun and it was suddenly taken away to make the spec "simpler" (it still has insane rules to follow while other classes are x30 easier) and all that resulted was more boring gameplay and more flaws in the spec

frail veldt
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Rofl

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Every spec got a rework in midnight

fossil lintel
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outlaw is okay now, but wasn't really an upgrade over the previous iteration

timid idol
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this is a whole different can of worms though

frail veldt
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New outlaw has the same old issues and now more new ones lol

stuck patrol
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I miss crackshot tho

timid idol
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these reworks should have never happened, addons should have never left, blizzard should not have listened to people that can barely do lfr say that one armed bandit is impossible without addons

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again, different can of worms

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but yea

cinder relic
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Classes in tww were overdesigned and dumb

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We needed a pruning patch

timid idol
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thats completely fine, there have been prunes before

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but with this whole addon bullshit they went on a crusade to make everything "simpler"

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which is just lame

elder sonnet
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idk guys, sure the new trickster stuff is a buff, but the gameplay is just uninspiring

stuck patrol
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The pruning was good, but I feel like for some specs it went overboard

cinder relic
fossil lintel
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yeah, trickster is shit overall

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especially KS

stuck patrol
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KS is fine, especially since trickster will have less energy overall

frail veldt
cinder relic
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We played ks for two different seasons and there was just not this much belly aching

elder sonnet
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no but from the looks of it, having to go in and out the cloud, playing ks etc.

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just seems uninspiring but i could be wrong

frail veldt
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It was so awful

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And everyone said so

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In tww beta

cinder relic
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Ks used to literally kill you for pressing it and there wasn't this much complaining

frail veldt
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That ks was problematic

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Took a whole xpac

fossil lintel
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i literally quit rogue on S3, the new KS was just super boring

frail veldt
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To just make it a different type of shitty

fossil lintel
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yeah, at least we felt something (fear) when pressing old KS

frail veldt
cinder relic
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Idk how we're comparing a fists of fury to a suicide button being "different types of shitty"

frail veldt
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We complained even before we had to play it

cinder relic
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Like can we be real plz

frail veldt
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Bro we were writing multiple macros to play fatebound s3 lol

zenith sequoia
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!addons

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xD

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whats the thing

stuck patrol
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I do miss using KS at the top of neurotic wake right when I get targeted with the send down mechanic, which made me get pulled through the floor and dropped into the abyss

frail veldt
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!ui

ornate heathBOT
fluid meadow
# frail veldt That ks was problematic

funny thing is that, dh fel rush was reworked to not rush through mobs and die, and we get the jumping ks with 3 sec timer... we are just a test spec for others and we get shit things from them after

fossil lintel
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old ks was bad, doesn't mean new ks was good

zenith sequoia
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ty

stuck patrol
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That was REAL gameplay goddammit

indigo token
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most of the complaining about new KS was from zac

frail veldt
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Can we talk about how blade rush kills you

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Fucking charge mechanic

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In our rotation

obtuse brook
frail veldt
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They fixed this for every other class

near rock
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New ks isn’t good but it’s not this horrific button everyone here is making it out to be

fossil lintel
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oh god yeah it has killed me a few times 😂

cinder relic
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If you die to blade rush you are legit a noob

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Just straight up

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Like u are just bad

frail veldt
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It's still not fun to play around

elder sonnet
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damnnnnnn

frail veldt
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Don't have to ego

lime lake
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did they fix it for every other class

obtuse brook
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I love killing spree

frail veldt
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To white knight blizzards bad design

lime lake
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doesnt survival still have their charge

devout garden
frail veldt
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They fixed it for so many other specs

elder sonnet
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chill boys

frail veldt
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Coup

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Ww

timid idol
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my final take is, im still waiting for solid arguments as too why classes like dk (amz, grip, ranged spells) or ret (aura, brez,bop,lay, blinding light) or even fkin hunter with hero, should deal more damage than rogue (we have blind, thing a million other dpses have, once in a blue moon you press shroud, and 3% dr in raid that barely anyone wants)

frail veldt
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They have a precedent here

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They just forgot

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Cuz it's rogue

fossil lintel
cinder relic
fossil lintel
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WW has basically new KS as their main ability

cinder relic
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Nobody in here thinks rogue balance rn is ideal

fossil lintel
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and it's fine if you want to play that

timid idol
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so all 3 rogue specs should be top 3 dps

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in the entire game

stuck patrol
frail veldt
cinder relic
frail veldt
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Fof is aoe

timid idol
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either that or give rogue some genuine utility

cinder relic
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Wrong reply

frail veldt
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New KS is not

fossil lintel
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gameplay wise i mean

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it's just you build cp, press, wait a channel

frail veldt
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Oh a channel yeah

fossil lintel
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a very long channel

cinder relic
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It's eye beam it's fof

frail veldt
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Has it always had that

fossil lintel
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(they are actually making fof shorter this patch)

cinder relic
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It's even bladestorm lol

frail veldt
#

Did ww have channeled fof since day one?

lime lake
#

yes

fossil lintel
#

yes

cinder relic
#

Yes

lime lake
#

it used to root you too

timid idol
#

yea

lime lake
timid idol
#

fof was like that since mop

fossil lintel
#

but it wasn't necessarily always this important in their rotation

#

right now their entire thing is how many fofs can you channel

lime lake
#

also ww still has wdp that animation locks you

#

although idk if they play it atm

timid idol
#

they do

fossil lintel
#

they do yeah

timid idol
#

ww is fun

random stirrup
#

its gonna be sick

timid idol
#

but it has decent issues too

vivid vessel
#

tbf i only died once

#

in like

#

100 keys this season

timid idol
#

i dont know how it's like nowdays but

vivid vessel
#

but i play safe with it

#

and its always in the back of my mind

timid idol
#

ww used to be good in 1st patch of an xpac only cuz it had shit scalings

vivid vessel
#

and i have scared myself more than once

timid idol
#

so past that everyone would ramp like crazy

vivid vessel
#

i think there is a reason they remove these type of things on every other spec :D

fossil lintel
#

ww now has really good scaling

timid idol
stuck patrol
#

I still think they should have made new KS act like havoc blade dance

cinder relic
#

Doesnt DH still have felblade that dashes them in?

stuck patrol
#

Give us an animation where was go sicko mode, do aoe damage, and yet we can still use other abilities

plain portal
stuck patrol
lime lake
#

felblade and hunt

cinder relic
#

Okay so they didn't "remove these for every other spec"

fossil lintel
cinder relic
#

Thats just larp

lime lake
#

survival has its charge on its cd

cinder relic
#

Just verifying

lime lake
#

ww still has animation lock on wdp and slicing winds forced movement

timid idol
cinder relic
#

So theres 2 DH specs

timid idol
#

oh we're talking about the dash part specifically being bad like bf

#

mb now i get the context

#

ye idk how it works for havoc

#

and if its as bad

#

but its a dead button on devourer, eradicate is always better in any content atm

devout garden
#

Felblade is filler button like br was in sl

#

Even more filler

cinder relic
#

Devourer has a lot of time to form into different buidls as well

#

Werent people TCing like, a more "melee focused" type build

#

Would felblade not have value in a setup like that

#

Idrk how devourer works

#

Ik right now it doesnt use it ofc

lime lake
#

if they ran hungering slash they'd have to press felblade more

cinder relic
#

Gotcha

frail veldt
cinder relic
#

So it could in the future use it

#

felblade is a dash the same way BR is a dash

#

Its a DPS button

frail veldt
#

I thought they just dash straight

#

Do they go to the taret

lime lake
#

felblade takes you to your target

cinder relic
#

They go to the target

lime lake
#

its exactly like br

cinder relic
#

felblade is literally BR

frail veldt
#

That sucks

#

Awful

#

Remove that shit

vivid vessel
#

they removed it from ww after they complained about it

cinder relic
#

I need you guys to play more classes in this game

stuck patrol
vivid vessel
#

and it wasnt the only occasion this happeend

frail veldt
lime lake
frail veldt
#

I need you to play more outlaw

fossil lintel
#

i feel the problem with BR is that it's inconsistent dashing. If it always dashed, it would be fine you would adapt, the problem is sometimes you're 1 yd further and haven't noticed and wasn't expecting the dash.

stuck patrol
timid idol
lime lake
cinder relic
#

Not, a stand alone spell like BR/Felblade

frail veldt
#

If you die to sky reach it's a skill issue

desert latch
#

hey peeps got a question, currently i have 33% crit and 25% haste, i could upgrade my chest to tier set piece to get +104 crit but i'd lose 93 haste so down to about 23%. should i upgrade my chest piece, as i already have the 4 tier set pieces (sadly head piece and shoulders are myth pieces, rest is hero track)?

cinder relic
#

I mean also yes, but its very different having SS dash you to the target, and an individual button doing it

frail veldt
#

Rofl

timid idol
cinder relic
#

Whats funny

frail veldt
#

What's br effective cd

stuck patrol
cinder relic
#

like 20 or so seconds probs

#

15-20

desert latch
frail veldt
#

I don't see a reason it needs to dash still

next wedge
#

hi everyone

frail veldt
#

If it's rotational

next wedge
#

i want to doom

#

rogue is so over

cinder relic
#

I want you to get another hobby

frail veldt
#

Same

next wedge
#

okay

#

i want to cope

#

rogue is so back

cinder relic
#

Thank you

frail veldt
#

We get fart cloud

#

15% buff

fossil lintel
#

we are just dooming out of habit here, we're actually getting a >10% buff

frail veldt
#

Outlaw tier!

fossil lintel
#

it's just the gameplay is so bad it'll put us on suicide watch

frail veldt
#

We can't get a DPS buff without getting a gameplay nerf haha

magic shuttle
#

More visuals + bigger damage. Huge success

frail veldt
#

That's the outlaw life

#

Gotta learn to live with it

#

Only the strong survive

stuck patrol
#

I still like outlaw a lot. But it's just so tiring to have to deal with bugs are quirks of it, just to have other specs fill the same niches and just do better damage because outlaw losing downtime

frail veldt
#

While everyone else is fotming

#

The real outlaw mains remain

next wedge
#

lets start a wow private server where we just cook on outlaw for 3 years until we get cease and desisted

frail veldt
#

Weathering the storm

cinder relic
#

I just play the spec that has fun gameplay

#

I don't think about all this stupid shit about whos better or worse or whatever

stuck patrol
#

I thought adr getting damage buff talent and getting that bad cdr talent would help it feel better, but it still doesn't feel better lol

#

And prep is annoying as

cinder relic
#

new outlaw is fun, I will be playing it on farm

stuck patrol
#

Fucm

frail veldt
#

Even in keys

cinder relic
#

So I do this thing called; Raid in a top 10 world guild

#

So I have to play specs I dont want to play sometimes

#

So I'm going to play keys, on the spec I'm going to raid at, to build comfort with the spec

#

Rather than 4funning

fluid meadow
cinder relic
#

Because thats not how the game works at this level

next wedge
#

foreverguy is a fotm reroller Sadge

frail veldt
#

Zac seems to do fine

cinder relic
#

thats great for him

#

Why should I give a fuck what zac does?

frail veldt
#

Should let him know

#

It's not how the game works

glass mortar
#

As if a guy of guys caliber needs to practice sub to play it at a top end level

#

We all know how sub is

cinder relic
#

He can play the game however he wants

next wedge
#

zac is french makes him irrelevant

frail veldt
#

He needs every rep he can get bro

glass mortar
#

(This is a joke plz don't burn me)

frail veldt
#

You don't know how it is at that level

vivid vessel
#

ok acting like you need to do weeklies as sub

#

to not suck in raid

cinder relic
#

Why wouldnt I?

stuck patrol
#

Outlaw sucks in world content anyways lmao

vivid vessel
#

washed up lil bro

narrow pasture
#

rank 1 delve spec

wide coral
#

early preys as outlaw was a pain

next wedge
#

i prefer outlaw to sub in world content or delves

#

100%

wide coral
#

but delves you have sustain so it's super easy

stuck patrol
#

How? Sub kills things so fast, outlaw it feels like you're attacking things with pool noodles

next wedge
#

cooldown

magic shuttle
#

Valeera always got your back with the heals

fossil lintel
stuck patrol
#

Only feels decent in raids and m+ when you're actively getting cdr from constant fighting

#

You get shadow dance and sectech every 20 seconds

#

And then things just fucking die

placid ocean
indigo token
craggy barn
#

guy wants to vibe and not think about spec swap brain fuckery

elder sonnet
#

fart cloud meta boys

#

rip coin toss

keen belfry
#

@outer meteor

image.png
#

i didnt wanna type agian sorry guys

elder sonnet
#

you are forgiven

outer meteor
#

just dropped a question and dipped

#

classic

fossil lintel
#

is awang streaming?

keen belfry
#

so you werent watching and supporting

outer meteor
#

i was!

#

for solid 10 min

keen belfry
outer meteor
#

and then i got into a key

#

and got gapped by arms war

cinder relic
#

When I play a spec I want it to be configured properly with like, crafts n shit

#

My crafts are all mastery haste rn

#

I'd rather just play sub until I can recraft with no issues

craggy barn
#

yuh

robust berry
#

Mastery on Outlaw? Am I missing smh?

craggy barn
#

no

cinder relic
#

No its why I dont play outlaw in keys, during prog

zenith sequoia
#

!ui

ornate heathBOT
narrow pasture
#

sub moving to crit now

cinder relic
#

it kinda always was

narrow pasture
#

mastery weighed heavier in all sims

#

with guidon at least

#

idk about box

#

but yeah having to recraft on the daily is demonic

#

glad im not the only one who needs the right stats to play the spec

true light
#

do we keep rolling the bones till we get three or better?

lean flax
#

I think you only roll the bones if you are already on two if you have KIR up

novel isle
#

Brothers, can someone link me the changes that happened this last reset? I cant find any class changes online...

#

was there even any

fossil lintel
#

there wasn't anything this last reset iirc

gaunt phoenix
novel isle
next thunder
#

is the upcoming outlaw change regarding sleeve something good or a nothing burger

#

I can't tell

#

was hoping we'd get more than one change haha

fossil lintel
#

check pin

#

we got a huge change

next thunder
#

oh damn ttrickester meta... ugh

stuck patrol
frail veldt
#

yeah we will move a few talents around

novel isle
dull ginkgo
#

guys .5 what talent we subbing? for 2/2 ace

novel isle
#

iv looked and honestly I didnt see one we could

dull ginkgo
#

cause some folks said KS is comming back as well

#

we taking out DP 0/2 and Acro

#

for 2/2 Ace and 1 on KS

novel isle
#

if you swap to trickster yea

dull ginkgo
#

is trickster angle or is = to fate on .5

novel isle
#

pinned

worldly zephyr
dull ginkgo
#

dam going back to trickster

novel isle
frail veldt
novel isle
#

iv never played trickster, fatebound is AFK you dont have to think about its mechanic, whats trickster like?

frail veldt
#

and you drop 1 point in SD for KS

#

and another point in SD for prep if you want prep

#

you can interchange acro and sleight based on vibes

dull ginkgo
#

Trickster = KS

frail veldt
#

sleight lowers variance

#

but is a 0.3% dps loss

#

over acro

frail veldt
novel isle
#

so, its not making outlaw more complicated? KS seems like a "turn off your brain while this casts" spell lol

dull ginkgo
#

jsut another extra botton from your current abilities

novel isle
#

thank christ, its already hard enough XD

next thunder
#

KS is our shitty whirlwind haha

novel isle
#

sounds like its about to not be so shitty

dull ginkgo
#

more like bladstorm cast

next thunder
#

**yeah bladestorm

dull ginkgo
#

its just the cast mechanic

next thunder
frail veldt
dull ginkgo
#

we need the outlaw gods to make talent before .5 comes out

frail veldt
#

so should make outlaw easier

#

rotationally

#

buuuuut

#

the new cloud cover talent

#

is going to add some difficulty

#

in order to maximize its value

dull ginkgo
#

@frail veldt so what is our combo mark for BE for trickster?

#

fate is 6+ combo

#

from [Delivered Doom] fate hero talent

frail veldt
#

fate is 5 with dispatch or 6 with bte

#

trickster is 6 all the time

#

and it doesnt have the nuanced rule of ss at 1cp with under max opp stacks over PS

karmic gust
dull ginkgo
#

feels so off dropping Acro

frail veldt
#

It's just a passive

#

Move speed loss sucks

#

Outlaw slow

vivid vessel
#

we dont drop acro tho?

dull ginkgo
#

i would assume less auto attack less BF

karmic gust
#

everytime i see something about trickster it just gets more and more miserable

keen belfry
frail veldt
keen belfry
#

for sleight

frail veldt
#

If you want less variance

vivid vessel
#

idk my sim had acro ahead

frail veldt
#

It is

#

0.3

keen belfry
#

how close was urs zac

frail veldt
#

But it has more variance

dull ginkgo
#

is drop DS and Sleight

vivid vessel
#

idk wang

keen belfry
#

ok man

#

wow

#

thats frickin fucked

vivid vessel
#

i simmed all the talents

keen belfry
#

every talent ever?

vivid vessel
#

and acro was in the top telnt p[age

#

noob

keen belfry
#

.3% for vibes and rng

#

and when i talented into sleight as trickser my first 2 rolls were jackpot

#

so ive been swayed

vivid vessel
#

acro prolly good energy talent tho so

keen belfry
#

isnt it just AA dmg

#

not speed

vivid vessel
#

really

keen belfry
#

so stfu?

vivid vessel
#

ok !

keen belfry
#

its mvoement speed and dmg i think

#

i do like the ms tho no cap

#

10% ms at max stacks

#

dropping KS is only -1.9% what if we we drop ks as trickster for vibes

#

2% is a lot tho........

karmic gust
#

still ahead of fatebound tho

keen belfry
#

well yes

karmic gust
#

just less miserable

#

for a bit less dmg

dense bolt
quaint mauve
#

@keen belfry how do i change wangbar to display my

#

supercharged

#

when i have no cps

keen belfry
#

DOES THE BORDER WORK

jovial beacon
#

Hey o/ I have a quick question since I started playing preparation in keys, should I care about the 5% damage buff after blade rush from tier set or do I not care and just press blade rush asap after preparation ?

gaunt phoenix
#

just br

#

again

jovial beacon
#

Ok ty :)

strong wraith
#

Does the change make outlaw significant to be added to a raid roster?

vivid vessel
#

its prolly gonna be good

#

i think sub might still be better

shadow trellis
#

Im opening my vault as the Pirate next reset

strong wraith
vivid vessel
#

i think outlaw might be the play for lura tho

#

but like

#

bosses like crown

#

or bird

#

sub will still be miles better

clear tulip
#

nah for crown

#

bench spec

vivid vessel
#

i wanted to try outlaw on lura anywya

clear tulip
#

st spec does giga boss dam so its probably the move

eternal hound
#

mAN

#

Outlaw makes the bird secion SO EASY

wintry solar
#

We haven't been buffed yet

eternal hound
#

tf is this

#

12 reach and the ret did that

#

I mean I did trash too

narrow pasture
#

did you pull 1 pack at a time

eternal hound
#

No I was just kinda badge

#

It was a normal route, idk wtf is the ret was doing thou

#

Evreytime I thought they were blasting it was the tank

#

Like I don't normally play with ret

#

But there is NO WAY they're that downbad

daring yoke
#

Which dungeon is the best outlaw overall dmg this season? Is it pit? I think my highest overall is always in that dungeon lol

outer meteor
#

either mt or pit prob

vivid vessel
#

@keen belfry

image.png
#

i hit new highscore today

#

bro i wish i had an on use trinket

#

last boss alleria trinket

#

would have hit 1 milli by now no cap !

slim iris
#

Is this aa?

vivid vessel
#

skyreach first pack

slim iris
#

Nice

celest hearth
#

did outlaw get buffed?

cinder relic
#

not yet, on reset though

wintry solar
#

On reset

celest hearth
#

oo

#

how come it's doing good dmg now tho

vivid vessel
#

wdym

celest hearth
#

i thought outlaw sucked? like a week ago or so

vivid vessel
#

ye

celest hearth
#

was it sleeper okay? i thought it was terrible

vivid vessel
#

its

#

alright

celest hearth
#

XD

vivid vessel
#

worse rogue spec in all content tho !

celest hearth
#

i really dislike the changes no more BTE spam

#

or as much as before

elder sonnet
#

watching woxtoxic blast as assassination

#

sin looks dope in keys

vivid vessel
#

sin is quite op yes

#

thats why it got buffed

elder sonnet
#

it'll still probably be a better choice even after the trickster buffs right?

cinder relic
eternal hound
#

Guys I have a question

#

how bad is rng for us

elder sonnet
glass mortar
#

fatebound similar to last expansion

#

trickster bit more

#

so decently high

#

we are in the top 5 variance specs

#

probably top 3 with tricks

elder sonnet
#

is 12 considered high?

eternal hound
#

high is like

cinder relic
#

my exp with sin in keys is that if u play with real DPS everything dies before ur bleeds tick

eternal hound
#

18s

#

19s

glass mortar
#

not in an elitist way either keys r super undertuned this season

#

we were doing chesting 12s with 260 ilvl

#

12s r probably similar to 9s or 10s last season ngl

craggy barn
#

im playing sin in udk aug keys

#

🙂

summer nimbus
#

bro is outlaw just cooked on saprish. Needing to constantly spend energy feinting on a 3 target cleave fight is so ass

harsh forge
#

why do our defensives cost energy anymore

cinder relic
#

because feint is generally way stronger than most defensives in the game

fossil lintel
#

good pull lol

image.png
harsh forge
summer nimbus
#

Yo when are they releasing alchemist healer rogue

river maple
#

so trickster op ?

fossil lintel
#

next week

cinder relic
#

Itll be good to go on reset yep

fossil lintel
#

fartcloud too strong

summer nimbus
#

Why does blizzard hate qol

cinder relic
#

It just does

#

Same reason turtle and block stop u from dealing damage

#

they just od

vivid vessel
#

all movements abilities, cd defs, and stops should be off gcd

frail veldt
#

agreed

glass mortar
#

prep

vivid vessel
#

game would be way more fun

glass mortar
#

why

#

the hella

frail veldt
#

theyve been moving in that direction a biiiit

glass mortar
#

prep on the gcd

frail veldt
#

but lots of things are still on gcd

#

like priest feather

#

why

summer nimbus
#

I mean most are i feel

frail veldt
#

most are on gcd?

vivid vessel
#

sopts arent

#

stops arnet

summer nimbus
#

Ye stops arnt

vivid vessel
#

i dont understand why stops are on the gcd

#

it feels very bad

#

because you have to hold a gcd

#

to do a proper stop

#

so you stand there afk

frail veldt
#

I mean kicks arent

vivid vessel
#

and then someone kicks

#

so you have to go back doing dps

#

and you just stood there afk for 2 s

#

to do that stop

#

that you didnt need to do in the end

#

very good very fun

#

i love stops being on gcd

summer nimbus
#

Idk maybe it affects something in pvp

vivid vessel
#

ye pvp ruins the game

#

since the start of everything

wintry solar
lime lake
#

i blame pvp anyway

glass mortar
#

i dont think it would really change all that much in pvp honestly

#

its just a design choice

#

its always been that way

#

i cant think of almost any ccs in the game that have been ogcd

vivid vessel
#

ye and everyone knows it sucks

#

and i dont really get

#

why wow

#

has this sort of like

#

hard cap

#

on fun

#

like you cant have too much

vivid vessel
glass mortar
#

uh

#

its on its own special snowflake gcd i think

#

but also i wasnt counting that as a cc

#

its kinda unique

wintry solar
#

It's speshul ye

vivid vessel
#

i think blind is a special gcd also

#

like a short one or whatever

#

idk

glass mortar
#

i think they did put it on the gcd for like an expac and it was so toxic they took it back off

shadow trellis
#

I wish pre emptive cc was a thing

glass mortar
#

i mean idd

#

pve would be more fun with them ogcd

gaunt phoenix
#

@vivid vessel you are right

#

my rtb is disappearing

#

explain exactly how you fix this

#

now !

vivid vessel
#

solo

glass mortar
#

he made a wa

vivid vessel
#

last time i was wrong ?

glass mortar
#

but solo...

#

u know what that means right...

#

its been happening to u all expac... and u never noticed....

#

i felt so trolled when i realized week 2.....

vivid vessel
#

ye lol

gaunt phoenix
#

Stop yapping

glass mortar
#

its so subtle like... its so random

vivid vessel
#

i also took some time to realise it

gaunt phoenix
#

how do you fix it?

vivid vessel
#

you cant fix it solo but

#

you can use this weak aura

glass mortar
#

zacaura

vivid vessel
#

you hjave to put the thing under your icon from cdm basically

gaunt phoenix
#

i see

vivid vessel
#

so it will show an icon with timer when rtb is supposed to be here

#

but cdm icon goes away

#

can also hide the placeholder icon when rtb isnt up if you want

#

i liked it that way

#

but not needed

gaunt phoenix
#

ty

keen belfry