outlaw

[flint pivot]

at least it has a sick slurping animation

[errant terrace]

is heart of the wind simbait? it's simming higher than the crucible but I don't see a lot of people bringing it to raid
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eU1krhk9wNetEc433WhggB

oh wait it simmed a crit flask, gimme a sec

nvm, found the issue lol

[tiny onyx]

If I have 24.75% haste am i still getting the adrenaline rush GCD cooldown?

or do i really need to push for that 25%

[glass shard]

i sim for like 70k x d

[gaunt phoenix]

yes ur fine

[tiny onyx]

when would I not be fine? If I fall below 23% etc? Right now im using a R2 haste flask to hit 24.75

[cinder relic]

Anywhere from 21-23 is good

[gaunt phoenix]

in the end raidbots knows

[glass shard]

i can tell raidbots has sucked the life and joy out of u

xdx

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[vivid vessel]

solo !

fuck you !

[gaunt phoenix]

i think simc is a pretty cool feat of engineering

[vivid vessel]

nerd !

[glass shard]

noob !

[vivid vessel]

ye you tell him

[quick ridge]

Solo 💛

[merry harness]

Yeah not many games have external software that can simulate a 100000 intances of the game in like 10 sec

[cinder relic]

path of exile

[vivid vessel]

noob game

[glass shard]

path of exile is the greatest game ever made unfortunately

[gaunt phoenix]

i believe path of building is a formulation tool as opposed to simulation

[vivid vessel]

ye tell him

get owned !

[glass shard]

it calcs too

noob !

spacebar exclamation point

[vivid vessel]

ye

its the french one cuh

hits harder

no ?

[glass shard]

i do it as well

but im not fr*nch

[gaunt phoenix]

yea but i think it's assuming an average like an excel sheet

it's not taking actions and executing them like the game

[fathom bramble]

Yeah it’s just a bunch of math that you could do by hand if you wanted

[glass shard]

i think this is a stretch

but ur not reeeeeeeeeally wrong

[fathom bramble]

I mean it’s like multiplying 15 things at most

Strongest part of pob is summing all the tiny %increases

[glass shard]

like what?

[gaunt phoenix]

the only two games with a true monte carlo simulator to my knowledge are wow and genshin impact (lol)

[errant terrace]

if I'm at 23% haste in sims, does it make sense for Haste/crit gems to sim worse than Crit/haste gems?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[errant terrace]

good good

[glass shard]

u edited 5 to 15

unxdd

[fathom bramble]

Well i just figure if we count each gem as a new thing instead of 1 thing called gems then it pads it past 5

[glass shard]

are u talking about 6 linked skill

[fathom bramble]

I’m just talking about the number of distinct more multipliers present in my average build

[cinder relic]

Its a calculator

☝️

[fathom bramble]

It’s all just multiplying the base damage/speed of a skill and there isn’t really that many

[gaunt phoenix]

it is

[glass shard]

[serene urchin]

pob might be more fun than poe lowkey

[glass shard]

since they added sirus to valods

ur not wrong

my leagues used to last 3-4 weeks

now i logout after 2

debuff of being fullbuild day 6 of the league

unxdd

[brave lagoon]

there's no saving this dogshit fight

[merry harness]

60% of outlaws saved it

[wintry solar]

why does it say youre not locked in?

[brave lagoon]

nah fam I'm cutting my losses and pretending this fight doesn't exist

[merry harness]

Honestly kinda real for that

I respect keeping outlaw alive in raid

[brave lagoon]

and both devo DH in my group are eating up all the add padding anyway, there's literally no saving myself

[merry harness]

I feel like every tier we rogues need to be able to play all 3 specs to not be kinda shit in raid

[vivid vessel]

or just 2

just 2 is fine

hell

just 1

[merry harness]

True shit

[vivid vessel]

if you are a sub one trick

you are getting off easy

[brave lagoon]

just 1

[vivid vessel]

you have maybe one fight a tier you are playing slightly suboptimal spec

if even

[merry harness]

Yeah this tier you kinda need both sub an assa tho imo

[vivid vessel]

do you

sub is basically better on every boss but vanguard

and beloren is arguable

world first rogues were sub

most people killed it as sub

[merry harness]

I mean is it tho boss dmg is a thing

[vivid vessel]

i do think assa is better but

[pearl topaz]

all 3 should be viable - coz stat priority

[vivid vessel]

im enjoying the fact all 3 specs are crit haste tho

[pearl topaz]

if they want to keep doing the 1 spec is viable thing then change it so our mastery isnt shit

[vivid vessel]

very cool

[merry harness]

Crit haste and lust still does jack shit

[pearl topaz]

everything does fuckall

[merry harness]

Blizzard really cooked on the haste changes

[wintry solar]

Outlaw should be super buffed and never nerfed tbh, its equally outlandish as the current tuning

[merry harness]

Kinda crazy we all asked for lust to do smth for us and they give us capped haste

[pearl topaz]

its not like heaps of people will play the spec lol, Outlaw has the same PR company as leprosy

[brave lagoon]

bear tank in my m+ group has prio on PI over me

[pearl topaz]

if it gets super buffed itll be after expansions and expansions of middling annoyance

remember when we had to rely on bugs to do damage to keep up

and when it was discovered that blade flurry was hitting dead targets

[merry harness]

The bugs did a bit more then keep up with other specs tho

Or maybe we are not thinking about the same bugs

[pearl topaz]

im not talking about the tricks bs

or the gimmicky ones

[merry harness]

I am talking about the spam bte at 1 cp and do crazy dmg bug

With coup on some small critter

[brave lagoon]

oh the "exploit"

[merry harness]

Was crazy fun watching everyone in here giga abuse it

[pearl topaz]

the coup bug etc, which became the set bonus

[brave lagoon]

that did competitive dmg in keys instead of mid dmg

[pearl topaz]

like we were relying on lots of little bugs to get basically mid

[merry harness]

I mean it was more than competitive dmg

it was BIG

[pearl topaz]

but it was for a short period of time

[merry harness]

Yeah was giga short

And the top group got rolled back

[cinder relic]

If u build sub properly sub is better

[merry harness]

This was the breakdown during the bug

[cinder relic]

The thing about sub vs other specs is that when sub is worse, its like, kind of a lot worse

Like mugzee if u played sub u were literally just trolling cuz ur bored

[vivid vessel]

on bird boss?

idk man

[cinder relic]

yes

U have to play box and stuff

U have to do some tinkering

But its mega better

[vivid vessel]

ok but in the end its a 2min fight and assa get a cd in exec

we agree only egg damage matters right

or do you have a different view on the fight

[pearl topaz]

playing outlaw has felt like trolling for a long time, other classes just couldnt hack it like us

I feel like a buddhist monk

impermeable

[cinder relic]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

ok let me gather some data

[cinder relic]

Maybe with this much gear sins better

Theres no sub logs

and we private log

But I can just tell u

and u have to trust me

Sub is very good on egg damage

[vivid vessel]

there is more sub logs rn

[cinder relic]

Like compared to sin

[vivid vessel]

idk i dont see it

[cinder relic]

U just have to configure ur sub setup

[vivid vessel]

have you killed it

give me your biggest number

[brave lagoon]

see if I sort by 'best rank' I'm closer to #1 than I'll ever be 😎

657 sample size, I'm dying

[cinder relic]

All these subs are larping

not playing box

Im looking at these logs lOL

[silent flint]

Hey guys, do we know if the numbing poison stacks with a warlock's curse of tongues for more spell cast speed increase?

[vivid vessel]

ye i do think its troll not playing box but

if ytou have killed it

or if you have a low % pull

give me biggest number you have

[cinder relic]

Were on lura rn we killed it last week

[vivid vessel]

ok give me big number

[cinder relic]

Shindig did like 218 on eggs

both phases

[vivid vessel]

biggest you did or biggest you could have done

[cinder relic]

Idk about random other pulls just kill pull

[vivid vessel]

218 is good, there is 2 sin logs above tho

232 and 220

[cinder relic]

218 and 220 is legit variance

But with this much gear execute probs farms

[random stirrup]

ive seen consistent 230 range for sub

big tech gamers

[vivid vessel]

they arent in logs tho

where are they

[random stirrup]

hidden

[cinder relic]

OH yeah if u play DS its probs more now lol

[random stirrup]

top secret

[vivid vessel]

ds get parried

so

[cinder relic]

cuz he was just trtickster

LOL tru

[random stirrup]

ye absolutely

[vivid vessel]

ye but no one wanna play ds

its fake

[random stirrup]

and trick with cloud cover gonna go hard on .5 too

[vivid vessel]

ok we arent in .5

lets stay focused here

[random stirrup]

no!

[wintry solar]

frames have been awfully bad today

this wasnt happening last week

[cinder relic]

I agree

[vivid vessel]

idk at first i was thinking of sub because you can farm things before phase and triple dance

sub is quite good at farming stuffs before stop dps

which i think not enough people do

for some reason

but from logs that i have seen

[cinder relic]

literlaly every sub parse is with guidon too

They are legit just dumb

[vivid vessel]

sin still is ahead so idk

i think guidon lets you get one more sec tech tho but i might be mistaken

[errant terrace]

how come some people using flickering strike on Vaelgor and Ezzorak?

over thief's

[vivid vessel]

2 target

energy

[gaunt phoenix]

bc a lot of it is 2 target

and you use deft

[errant terrace]

mm I see

[vivid vessel]

i pull up the haste gear set on dragon and vanguard

[errant terrace]

so similar idea to paladins

[vivid vessel]

and on paladin i take flickering for even more !

crazy no cap

[errant terrace]

second point in ace or heavy hitter?

or sleight

[merry harness]

I think the egg phase is just a bit too long for sub to be really crazy

We need a smolderon type dmg phase

[cinder relic]

Yeah but like

Pbox is genuinely close to guidon right

[vivid vessel]

ye

[cinder relic]

the only reason pbox is bad is because its a 2 minute on a 1:30

[vivid vessel]

i mean for me it sims higher so

[cinder relic]

but that fight is played like a 2min

so U need to itemize around using pbox and not guidon

[vivid vessel]

or nvm it sims the same for me but ye

its whatever

[cinder relic]

Either way with damage atp sin is probably more consistently better

But for sub to work u need to just not play ur ST patchwork build and brain off LOL

lura also might be a sin fight

P sure u get a DM lust execute

[vivid vessel]

i mean is there a special build, there isnt so wdym

[vivid vessel]

i wanna play outlaw

[cinder relic]

Outlaw probably good too

[vivid vessel]

i think its not bad

[cinder relic]

Special build is play deathstalker, and or actually using pbox

[vivid vessel]

i have been doing reclears as outalw and im doing very good boss damage, i got r1 boss 2 weeks in a row on saladar

so idk

im thinking its good st

[cinder relic]

It is

[vivid vessel]

yes but deathstalker isnt real

people would play it if you didnt have a risk of getting paried into gg go next fight

or whatever its not even parry

its just bug

idk maybe i try to do a sim tomorrow

for 30s burst

profile

shouyldnt even be that hard

just need to give sub all the buffs prepull

also trickster is prolly better for burst liek that

because you actually can farm coup pre burst

on bird

while ds is whatever its a cycle that is way shorter

most of coup comes from cds

ds doesnt

[cinder relic]

ds = larp

[vivid vessel]

ds is for noobs

[old gull]

I got a 99 today and was 10th in my raid

[cinder relic]

dont let comparison be the thief of joy

[pearl topaz]

You are doing as good as you can do, thats good

[vivid vessel]

@cinder relic

i did sims

for my char at least sub does quite a bit better

with everything prepulled

[cinder relic]

Why would I lie

[vivid vessel]

so max sht, coup ready, and 2 supercharger

even accounting for a cd in damage amp

[cinder relic]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEypHeNWEAAK76S.webp

[vivid vessel]

lust assa

no lust during exec

and sub

so im going back sub im convinced

i had to modify slightly sub apl tho cause it wouldnt send triple dance

[cinder relic]

Lura I think is a sin boss

[vivid vessel]

outlaw

[cinder relic]

Unless u need shard damage (which u mind

[vivid vessel]

i legitimally wanna try outlaw on it

i just need to see what happens with exec and lust timings

but there is 0 logs for now so

[random stirrup]

the lads were saying you can get 4 or 6 SC pretty often

don’t really need the dance damage

Dance into strike spam

[vivid vessel]

from holding in p1 ?

ye i guess

kinda mega cringe but you are stopping dps so

tho with the health nerf

idk what it changes

1min stop dps

ye i guess

lets just get 7 sc

imma try some cringe shit cuh

@cinder relic also

in special sim 30s all the apl things etc

[cinder relic]

Ur telling me the 2 minute trinket is more burst??? what!!!

[vivid vessel]

even tho guidon sims 0.3% ahead for me in normal scenario

[vivid vessel]

imma beat boss up

[cinder relic]

these ppl on logs are legit noobs

Dont fall for deathstalker btw

It plays like legit ass

[vivid vessel]

im not

i also dont think its better

[cinder relic]

U go dance for both DN OR sectec

Its like so weird

[vivid vessel]

becasue you can have coup ready

and as i said earlier

trickster has more value in cds

cause your coup comes from sec tech

so if i press 2 sec tech im winning + having it pre stacked

trickster better on that boss for sure

[near rock]

be the first

easy 100

[vivid vessel]

i wont be the first i havent killed bird even

guild noob this tier

we be trolling it up

[wintry solar]

There's always next tier, dw.

[vivid vessel]

@random stirrup thought on playing first dance and never dancing till damage amp

https://giphy.com/gifs/cinema-absolute-absolutecinema-9EvnXdZaUZbCqScn67

fuck.. i found more damage

@cinder relic do you full dps second phase or is it still a dps stop going into 2nd intermission

cause people odnt have cds in p2 right

[craggy barn]

bruh

calling out lura memory game as outlaw is pain

[vivid vessel]

EZ

[cinder relic]

i legit dont know LOL

[vivid vessel]

EASY

[random stirrup]

[craggy barn]

wtf

bro

??

[random stirrup]

seems worse than 6 SC

[vivid vessel]

EASY NOOBS

[craggy barn]

haxing?

[random stirrup]

also fk u

[vivid vessel]

im joking

[craggy barn]

this fucker is haxing

[vivid vessel]

i found new talents tho

ryldd

+2.6% dps

on my 30s gigamaxer sim

@random stirrup

thoughts on secret tech

raidbot gave it to me

the robot man

[random stirrup]

ye its good

[true jackal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hm-7x749-ayanokoji-qC7SX5zwTUJFZLmd3a

[fathom bramble]

you stop unless you can push hard enough to beat the final soak

[true jackal]

place for this meme is here

so there u go guys

[fathom bramble]

people are stopping to not have him phase while the birds are up

but you might be able to just skip it with more gear than we had last week

[vivid vessel]

i see

wondering how much i will be able to cringe max hold everything as sub

in p2

tho sub would still be better based on my super hard maths calculations

this gaze vault

fixed my entire gear

im no longer low ilvl noob

[buoyant cosmos]

We all yearn for the gaze

[mystic berry]

my vault was socket tier

lame af

[vivid vessel]

socket

imagine not being full mythic yet

noob !

[mystic berry]

just because you ditched your champion

🙁

[vivid vessel]

haha

owned !

nooba

[buoyant cosmos]

nooba is crazy work

[vivid vessel]

ye

goes hard no

[mystic berry]

I'm 42% crit with flask, is this shit on diminishing territory?

[gaunt phoenix]

a bit

[mystic berry]

damn

[gaunt phoenix]

but still just sim

[vivid vessel]

fuck it annoys me i have to play a fucking normal trinket still as outlaw

[buoyant cosmos]

Just get fed

namnam

hello?

[near rock]

champion track gear

[vivid vessel]

ok i can fix it

just for the fake ilvl

[fathom bramble]

thoughts?

[vivid vessel]

we dropped that trinket

i said no

cause idk

its not really good on the other 2 specs at this point

i owuldnt play it really

but if outlaw on last boss

[fathom bramble]

double vault for me

[vivid vessel]

maybe i should ahve thought about it idk

huge

they wanted to give me the trinket ye

but

no !

[buoyant cosmos]

team player zac

[vivid vessel]

ye

would have been only good if i played outlaw on lura

and im unsure still

i could play either 3 spec on lura

[buoyant cosmos]

Be the drutile you know you can be

[vivid vessel]

would be troll to burn that tirnket for fun

[gaunt phoenix]

who else even likes it, tanks?

[vivid vessel]

honestly i didnt ask

maybe i trolled

and i should ahve taken it

[buoyant cosmos]

Is outlaw the only one stacking crit rn?

[vivid vessel]

sin abnd sub also

:D

thats why its so cool this season

[craggy barn]

all rog love crit

[vivid vessel]

can play all 3 specs witrh crit haste

i barely change any gear

for my 3 sets

[buoyant cosmos]

stinky dagger in mh

ew

[craggy barn]

sub only has some weird intricacies if u use guidon i guess

[buoyant cosmos]

You just hold for like a second or two

afaik

[craggy barn]

in terms of haste value

[vivid vessel]

idk

my sub is weird af

i have 800 haste

but it doenst want to drop any really

[craggy barn]

i think without guidon its fine

[vivid vessel]

maybe its cause i cant get low enough to get under the other breakpoint

[craggy barn]

bc guidon is a haste trinket, u want a specific breakpoint

im just stuck using cringe box

[buoyant cosmos]

yeah

stand and cast for 2 seconds in melee pls

[craggy barn]

not too bad with sub since u dont do a lot of buildup

strike box blast

sin is annoying since u gotta do ur setup

garrote build rupture build envenom box mark bane

[buoyant cosmos]

Is sin still bugged?

I haven't looked at it at all

[craggy barn]

which bug

[buoyant cosmos]

yeah

[craggy barn]

all the shit whispyr pinned?

last i heard thats still a thing

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't look @ that channel much

[craggy barn]

oh cool a big solo pin

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7aJThRv8CvzEbA9p3v2Gan @fathom bramble gear check

i fixed mine

[livid smelt]

What is the best 2 crafted embelmishments for outlaw right now?

[fathom bramble]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ojw5Fm6TgtePhCBEP4Bcqo

[vivid vessel]

wtf ..

[fathom bramble]

I have 70 myth crests in my bags still

[vivid vessel]

op trinket

oh wait i can upgrade trinket instead of useless slot my bad

one sec

op trinket tho !

tf !

[craggy barn]

do u just macro that shit to rush

[gaunt phoenix]

arcanoweave lining or darkmoon hunt/void is the same shit

[fathom bramble]

you definitely could macro it to whatever if yhou want, but realistically you often want to hold it for 2 targets and damage amps often

[craggy barn]

gotcha

[vivid vessel]

3 min cd isnt it

macroing it would be absolute giga troll no

[fathom bramble]

if you were to macro it you probably put it on SS or something

just to send on cd

[buoyant cosmos]

crits reduce it

[livid smelt]

what trinket?

[light kernel]

do u guys prefer 1st or 2nd soak in dreamrift?

[vivid vessel]

ok still

[buoyant cosmos]

if you are talking about the general thing

[vivid vessel]

how much is the cd

[gaunt phoenix]

1st for prep

[light kernel]

u save prep for adds?

[fathom bramble]

like 2 mins

[livid smelt]

i have the general thingy aswell i put it on BTE so i dont use it well adds are not grouped

[fathom bramble]

or somewthing

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[light kernel]

or send it on pull

++

[vivid vessel]

ok so still big

macroing i stroll

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

any trinket macroer in chat

if you read this you are bad at wow !

got you ryldd

[buoyant cosmos]

box is on 7 where it belongs

[livid smelt]

#showtooltip Between the eyes
/use 13
/cast Ghostly Strike
/cast Between the eyes
here u go

[vivid vessel]

ghostly strike ..

bro got the noob macro ..

[livid smelt]

lol its historical

[buoyant cosmos]

take me back

to the worst outlaw button

[cinder relic]

It used to be good

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/36gEsWChrTFdMpAeRx1aG6 ok upping trinket instead didnt change much

[cinder relic]

then it got taken off the GCD

[vivid vessel]

im mad

!

[livid smelt]

it was good when it was yeah off gcd

[craggy barn]

L zac

nooba trinket

[vivid vessel]

you gap me ! !

nooba trinket ..

[livid smelt]

your 282? jesus

[buoyant cosmos]

It just ate energy didn't it?

[vivid vessel]

after i send this reset crests

ye

[livid smelt]

daaamn

[vivid vessel]

but this is me this week

well last week

getting gaze in vault unlock everything for me

• i was waiting this week to do my hc craft

[proven surge]

We see the drip Zac

[vivid vessel]

ty

[craggy barn]

is that unflasked haste

[vivid vessel]

yes

im on that haste shit bro

im hasting it up

im very quick

[craggy barn]

holy

[vivid vessel]

i told you i have 800 haste as sub

im not making it up

[craggy barn]

bruh u dont even have speed smh

[vivid vessel]

oh makes me think

i wanted to check what happened if i played haste flask on sub

for beloren

just going up

to 900 haste

• 1

gg

prolly good

secret 1k haste build

[craggy barn]

not a secrete

1k haste for ds sub pepw

[vivid vessel]

haste pot maybe

thoughts

[sullen wyvern]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[vivid vessel]

juste haste it up

lets see

[craggy barn]

what if use that for outlaw

infinite energy ye?

[vivid vessel]

ye

dw about it

[craggy barn]

ye

[livid smelt]

am i crazy but even at 23% haste i run out of energy sometimes and it feels horrible XD

[vivid vessel]

nvm no secret haste build

gg

im sad

[craggy barn]

not crazy

[livid smelt]

I wanted to get max haste and remove the left side of the rogue tree but i dont think its possible

[craggy barn]

u need an absurd amount of haste to not starve

like 40%

[vivid vessel]

why would you want to do that

[rain estuary]

Guys how enjoyable is the spec to play rn? I haven't played a single second of midnight

[vivid vessel]

right side doesnt do anything

we doint use vanish for dps

[livid smelt]

I just wanted to see if its possible really XD

[vivid vessel]

ye its not

outlaw energy is pretty garbage this tier

[livid smelt]

cold blooded killter with the middle maybe

but its not worth it

[craggy barn]

even when we were at 40-50% haste during prepatch

we took energy talents

baseline energy is fucked

[livid smelt]

yeah it feels rough

im at 23% and i still elixir haste so it feels leess bad but probably a mistake

[lucid sparrow]

well guys

[gaunt phoenix]

its worth on dragon boss and vanguard

[lucid sparrow]

vault proposed

[gaunt phoenix]

the rest of the game prolly not

[lucid sparrow]

i said yes

#engaged

[craggy barn]

my vault was bleh

sadge

[mental beacon]

second socket of the season

[proven surge]

Idk how you didnt uninstall already deadass bro

I had to take socket aswell and i'm crashin out

[mental beacon]

i'm used to this darkness

...

[vivid vessel]

sockets are insane this season

if that helps

they are worth legit 20 ilvl

[mental beacon]

only rocking 2 myth track items atm so they would be welcome but atleast we got crafting items

[keen belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048716096217284653/1493835653794889889/Medal_oPtEjAKvnH.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048716096217284653/1493835840768442488/Medal_sPSqDesiVP.gif

[vivid vessel]

nice ui lil bro

[keen belfry]

do u see that guy

tpinjg thur floor

[gaunt phoenix]

where he go

[keen belfry]

he didnt want to eat my eye beam

[quiet ore]

So has anyone thought about what dungeons/raids are probably best for us to spend nullcores in next week? Obviously individually strong items are something we want to work at, but it feels like dungeons like pit where half the loot table is good are compelling, too.

[long barn]

Are you being serious

[vivid vessel]

yes

sockets very good

[vivid vessel]

true

i forgot about that thing

im prolly gonna send on pit ngl

dont need anything from raid

maybe try to snipe aleera tirnket or smth idk

its like 3 items on that boss

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

actually

beloren in outlaw loot

is 3 items

with bis trinket

so prolly that first

ye

[quiet ore]

I was gonna be a pit gamer for sure until this week's vault only had a good myth pit item in it - now the dungeon has feelsbad potential and I'm not so sure

[vivid vessel]

haha

well

these things are gonna be super rng so

it is what it is

[quiet ore]

M beloren? You actually running that?

[vivid vessel]

ye the trinket is good

or wdym

we will kill it this reset

[quiet ore]

There's still just very few groups clearing m beloren, let alone with an ol on the team, good on ya

[fathom bramble]

we probably get it this week too

maybe

looks reasonably likely at least

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

outlaw ..

ye ..

im outlaw on the boss fr fr ..

[fathom bramble]

outlaw on the boss that has a conveniently places 2min damage phase

seems fine

[vivid vessel]

you doing outlaw on it lok ?

or is it too muhc int this time

[fathom bramble]

I was

idk

[vivid vessel]

you got some logs ?

i wanna see egg damage

show me your best egg pulls

[quiet ore]

I liked it for h, but egg dps may be too low for m

[fathom bramble]

our best pull looks like this

idk what happened there

[vivid vessel]

thats pretty good !

[fathom bramble]

but I doubt it looks like that on every pull https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f7nxcWXTgFH2dbtN?fight=32&type=damage-done&phase=2

[quiet ore]

Jackpot plus a lot of ace on egg probably

[vivid vessel]

you blasted that one cuh

[fathom bramble]

more gear + vantus and we can probably do like 180k reliably ?

not sure

on first egg

2nd egg is no prep so seems sus

alternatively you prep on pull and then prep 2nd egg

but extra prep on pull is basically worthless since you hold

[vivid vessel]

my sub is simming at 220

on that time window

[fathom bramble]

sounds about right

[vivid vessel]

with the pre pull things

[fathom bramble]

since we hold dps in p1 you can do a lot of weird things

[vivid vessel]

like building up supercharger, sht, coup etc

ye

[fathom bramble]

like getting 20 zero in stacks

[vivid vessel]

now im not saying i will reach my sim

but idk

even just getting close to it is infinite more damage than law so

actually let me check

law sim

same timer

you cant really

do anything special

right lok

i guess you do have a good trinket

for that fight

my outlaw is a bit of a non fair fight

since i dont have any on use

[fathom bramble]

outlaw probably does better in practice than the 30 second sim does

since you can go into the phase with some ramping done

[vivid vessel]

well like what

snd up gg

thats about it no

[fathom bramble]

zero in, bullets, lucky coin

it's not a lot but it is something

[vivid vessel]

eh

ok

i meanm im doing the sim for sub

giving it all the buffs

so

i can do it for outalw

wdym by lucky coin

[fathom bramble]

also next week trickster will be better for birds

[shell fossil]

i did a pit with an outlaw and bdk who only did 8 targets

[fathom bramble]

mark my words

[vivid vessel]

trickster is so cringe bro

i do not wanna play it

[shell fossil]

200k every fight happening

[vivid vessel]

im having fun in keys wiht fatebound

[fathom bramble]

this is every 7th coin

[vivid vessel]

cause it has cool builder and finisher rules

[fathom bramble]

no reason to proc it if you are at 6 and currently holding dps

[vivid vessel]

trikcster doesnt have any of that

its legit over

[fathom bramble]

instantly get 4% agi and big coin RNG as soon as the phase starts

[vivid vessel]

thats very cringe

[fathom bramble]

yes

that is correct

[quiet ore]

I just see 3 ace procs with good gd 1 btte stack dupe rng (8 btte stacks) and Aug support - maybe you just had good crit rng, too

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

[spring rapids]

yo guys do you think crafting head is the play for me this week ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3ytatCAZP4xiNV9dZxwA49

[vivid vessel]

vs sub

[vivid vessel]

im prestacking lucky coin, full zero in and full palmed bullet

[quiet ore]

I would never craft a catalyzable tier slot, personally

Blocks off too many good upgrades

[vivid vessel]

palmed bullet doesnt work in sims what

[quiet ore]

We probably track the stacks as a different buff

[vivid vessel]

ye

i need to give it graveddiger buff also

ok

[arctic hollow]

Today is socket for my belt day isnt it ?

[vivid vessel]

actual huge increase gg !

@fathom bramble you know if you wanted to be a degenerate you could prolly get away with prepulling a loaded dice dont you think

so you have 3

nvm actually

it doesnt last long enough

to farm an adr

without pressing rtb

!cooked

[quiet ore]

But what if you also increase ace proc rate by 1% and have 2 ace to simulate next week

Since ace seems to matter a lot for egg dps

[vivid vessel]

xdd

[fathom bramble]

bte stacks are just such a massive swing

you could probably hit 250k egg dps randomly

or more

[quiet ore]

I did this once on h and it's the only thing that kept me in the raid

[fathom bramble]

just that easy

[quiet ore]

Got 8 ace procs and jackpot on egg, haven't managed it again since

[vivid vessel]

ok idk how to do the coin stacks

its not working

so there is that missing

idk how big that would be

[fathom bramble]

you know we might not do egg damage

but check out the baby bird/baby egg damage for the entire night

[vivid vessel]

eh

[fathom bramble]

don't eh me

let me have this

[vivid vessel]

other 2 specs prolly do more bro

[fathom bramble]

5th place instead of dead last is really high for us

[quiet ore]

It's a decent cleave fight when you consider the not egg bits

[craggy barn]

its happening again!

[quiet ore]

Good enough that you can top the in game meter sometimes

[fathom bramble]

lust is useless

delete lust

[quiet ore]

Give second option for lust that's crit instead of haste

[craggy barn]

nah

miss me with that group external damage amp shit

[fathom bramble]

I would just most prefer if lust didn't work in dungeons

like how it use to(still doesn't ?) not work in arenas

[craggy barn]

either remove lust

or make drums = lust

drums < lust is kinda fucked

like whats the point of drums

[quiet ore]

I'd be down if, in the same way some skills are configurable at the class trainer like blink, you could configure your preferred secondary for lust, so lust can be a burst of whatever stat is actually a good burst stat for you; but it's iconically haste so they probably won't do it

[craggy barn]

what if

everyone only had personal lust

like in fellowship

[fathom bramble]

that's just your damage pot

[craggy barn]

exactly

🙂

[vivid vessel]

thats called a cooldown

well no

"lust" in fellowship is just a big cd

cause it also does something different

per char

[craggy barn]

its lust + char specific thing

[quiet ore]

Or if it was non-personal, but stacking, raidwide, and just 5% damage, like in ffxiv

[craggy barn]

or

bring back lego ring

pepw

wod ring

[quiet ore]

Lust compatibility is probably not one of our major problems rn, though, just a long-standing one

[quiet ore]

Trickster cloud cover might be good on egg come next week

[craggy barn]

oh god

[fathom bramble]

yeah that's what I was thinking

[craggy barn]

good to nuke everyone's frames

pepw

wtf is cloud cover supposed to do now

i havent read the notes for it in a hot minute

[quiet ore]

It's extra deterministic damage amp, so

[quiet ore]

Stacks fazed to 3 during adr

So triple the fazed damage amp

[craggy barn]

ah

[quiet ore]

During your "burst"

[vivid vessel]

hopefully its not good enough

to be played

on top of being a cringe thing on the ground

its trickster

its ks

its not fun builder rules

[craggy barn]

would u ranger talisman or crit prism in keys

[vivid vessel]

no fun finisher rules

[craggy barn]

ranger insig

[vivid vessel]

no fun

gg

fucking asstser

[keen belfry]

im getitng flamed rn zac

[quiet ore]

It'll be better on us than on sub, likely, since our adr CD is a lot shorter than their cd

[keen belfry]

can somoene back me up

[vivid vessel]

Ye wang

What's up

[keen belfry]

this aussie tank missed an orb on first boss magisters then got angy

he told me he has achieved "1000x than me on 10x my ms"

kinda goated no/

[eternal hound]

Pull the rogue classic

[quiet ore]

Man, I watched a tank miss 3 consecutive orbs on Magister yesterday, some people are just sleepy

[eternal hound]

and use literally evrey insult in the book

[keen belfry]

i just told him hes probably lagging on his outback steakhouse wifi

thats the only australian restaurant i know

[eternal hound]

na

Gotta go deeper

[keen belfry]

crikey

[quiet ore]

I thought the rogue classic was swapping to your opposing faction rogue and camping them or killing their flight master

[eternal hound]

na

it's sharing evrey slur you know (mods plz no ban)

[keen belfry]

he was kinda cooking

i sent him some league gifs then he blocked me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048716096217284653/1443097335570628718/Medal_YPSd4prUaq.gif

this is the last one he saw

[eternal hound]

YUP

THERE YA GO

[blissful idol]

gg

[keen belfry]

u dont deserve that

but grats

[blissful idol]

i assume u didn't get one

[keen belfry]

mhm

[blissful idol]

[vivid vessel]

haha

noob vault

imagine you get a gaze but its a bad one

look

[blissful idol]

wtf??

how

[vivid vessel]

owned nooba

[keen belfry]

i hatge zac bro

[vivid vessel]

[keen belfry]

ofc he gets gaze

[blissful idol]

cheating

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/36gEsWChrTFdMpAeRx1aG6

fixed my gear @keen belfry

my gear pre reset is so bad

[blissful idol]

hello why is yours 282?

[keen belfry]

thats my gear after reset

[vivid vessel]

cause i killed crown

[blissful idol]

ah

nice gg

[keen belfry]

havent sent any crests yet

but i dont have any gear yet

[blissful idol]

low durability bro

[vivid vessel]

ye this is sending this week crests

but i mean

then i kinda finished

nothing really to get anymore

[still smelt]

Hey team, I crafted a maindhand slow weapon, so I should open vault as another spec to get a chance at a dagger right ?

[frail veldt]

Except for crafts

Is there a reason to not send hero crests?

[heavy shadow]

should I be depressed

I wish that trinket didn't have the downside

[eternal hound]

Yes cuz wrong omission

[heavy shadow]

yea when I first saw it I got excited

the belt catalysts to haste vers at least

[eternal hound]

Its okay my rogues vaults have been turbo ass too

[jolly geyser]

Told ya

[arctic hollow]

Not if you reroll Sin. I'm sorry for your loss

[heavy shadow]

Was debting giving it a go tbh. Obs I lack a lot of mastery

and well Beloran egg zerg attempts leave a lot to be desired with outlaw

[balmy topaz]

[desert tendon]

Good job yuby my favorite outlaw

[foggy needle]

is outlaw chill this xpac? last time i played it was in DF

[uncut stratus]

which raid bosses would you guys seriously recommend taking other than the ST build?

[livid pewter]

worst case just pick the ring and farm the other one for set
its simming higher than any other rings (for me actually)

[quiet ore]

Just take st + deft on every boss

And funnel when you can

[unkempt dew]

I dont know what kind of embelmishments i should pick. I want to craft a ring this week. So far i got a crafted MH, Off and boots

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[river wing]

breh
only good piece in vault was a myth cloak and that was like +500 dps

[weak crag]

Any of these necks is worth taking or do i just go the chest

[river wing]

sim
but p sure all M+ necks but PoS neck are kinda garbo

[arctic hollow]

Aching grief is alright if you are capped in crit

[arctic hollow]

Dude your chests are out of this world

[balmy topaz]

First season

I ever get good vaults

and I'm not even playing my rogue

on paladins

[timid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/insanity-gif-3417458096069640294

[arctic hollow]

Is there a reason to save these ? I didnt quite get how turbo boost will work this season

[grim spear]

[cinder relic]

I don't really know either

But turbo boost only happens for myth track right

So unless Ur converting crests up it doesn't do much

[river wing]

naw it's also for champ and hero, apparently

(269 crucible gonna go hard???)

[jolly geyser]

Dont think you can do stuff with crucible

[mighty pivot]

voidcores are only for hero/myth items

and since it's only weapon/trinkets you won't need many

[leaden sonnet]

I don't think you need crests to upgrade with the voidcores

[fluid meadow]

i can't believe this is a "melee" spec with 99% parse

[mighty pivot]

you can buy them with crests but also gold or marl actually the upgrade consumable is just a drop from content

[waxen scarab]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tropic zephyr]

$

outlaw superiority ⁉️

[karmic gust]

we eating good for no reason

[tropic zephyr]

[twilit topaz]

The vault gods have abandoned me

[karmic gust]

they never visited me

i'm still waiting for a real item

wouldn't even be surprised if next week's vault has plate gear in it atp

[unkempt dew]

Turbo boost is a event right?

[summer nimbus]

If bladerush and ar are both up is it better to ar and then bladerush or bladerush first assumibg u dont need the loaded dice

[karmic gust]

bladerush first if you have 4p and missing energy for the dmg boost maybe ?

[quiet root]

do you mean blade flurry?

[summer nimbus]

No bladerush

[quiet root]

well you'd just press them at the same time no?

[karmic gust]

the 5% dmg boost from the 4p might be better than casting AR first idk

[summer nimbus]

I assume we bladerush first cuz it gets no benefit from the ar dmg bonus?

[timid portal]

adr is off gcd so you can just press both of them

[quiet root]

i must be missing something here

[summer nimbus]

U can press both of then but u are basically replacing blade rush with another gcd

Which could be a finisher/builder buffed by ar

[timid portal]

but if you dont press br when its up and go for another finisher you lose cdr on it

[summer nimbus]

Well u can ar and then blade rush

[timid portal]

so just go ar -> br -> finisher

[summer nimbus]

Yea but is it better to just bladerush before ar?

[timid portal]

but AR doesnt take gcd so you can just AR into BR

[quiet root]

i think the point is that if you do that, the BR takes one of the gcds you have inside of AR

[summer nimbus]

yes

[quiet root]

i guess you'd BR first

[summer nimbus]

br gets no buff from menacing rush so i assume br first is optimal?

[quiet root]

seems like the tiniest minmax ever but i'm here for it

[summer nimbus]

idk it comes up alot for me tbh

I wish i was a sim wizard so i could do the maths

[quiet root]

i don't think there's any advantage to AR first though is there?

[summer nimbus]

Thats what im thinking idk

[quiet root]

i at least can't think of any

[summer nimbus]

U lose 1 gcds worth of time for AR’s passive cd countdown lol

[quiet root]

yeah i think potentially fitting 1 more finisher in should outweigh that pretty easily

though i'd be surprised if this made a noticeable difference when simmed, let alone in practice

i'll definitely be more aware of when it comes up now though

[summer nimbus]

Prob wont make a huge difference but it was just a thought that bugged me

[karmic gust]

Am I not supposed to be over 20% of haste with this gear ?

[mighty pivot]

not if your haste stat shows under 20%

[quiet root]

yeah that is surprising, i feel like that's basically my gear and i'm at 24%

[karmic gust]

ofc but being almost full bis I thought I'd be over that threshold

[quiet root]

are all the crafts crit/haste?

[karmic gust]

yes

[summer nimbus]

Just use haste flask

[mighty pivot]

gems will give you over 1% extra

[quiet root]

oh right, you have empty sockets

[mighty pivot]

and you get about 1% from oils too

[karmic gust]

oh okay, I thought it was a waste to socket hero items I was waiting for myth drops

[quiet root]

isn't mark of the worldsoul more than all the gems combined?

[ashen stump]

Currently have Spellbreaker's blade with Void on it. Just rolled mythic Crit/mast MH in vault. Should i be crafting dagger with Void or Hunt on it? or dagger with no embelishment and the ring with Prismatic Focusing Iris. (as crafted sword is going to be worse than dagger)

already have crafted boots with arcanoweave

[karmic gust]

craft dagger and take bis cape ?

[ashen stump]

i guess im asking if the 289 weapon is worth it over already crafted 285. sim wasnt really conclusive. all within margin of error

[strong cargo]

Do you not have the singularity reputation trinket ?

[karmic gust]

better to have a fast weapon than a slow one no ?

[ashen stump]

in offhand. but mainhand is all same

[lethal relic]

I'm simming my character and the gear that gives me the most DPS doesn't take me to 25% haste. Is this something I'll just need to figure out on my own?

[strong cargo]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[karmic gust]

i don't have it, but the renown gear is low ilvl no ?

[lethal relic]

It's champion track but sims quite high compared to other trinkets, even hero track ones

[karmic gust]

I'll try to find its name and sim it then thanks

[strong cargo]

The 263 trinket is equivalent to the best dungeon heroic trinkets

[haughty moat]

someone likes us!

[jagged plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1420460439908913223/image.gif

[lethal relic]

Oh

LMAO

[jagged plover]

when they say rogue they never mean us guys

[lethal relic]

It says rogue, but it really means sub rogue 🙁

[karmic gust]

outlaw racism is real

[quiet root]

i think they forget outlaw exists

[jagged plover]

blizzard with the "we're okay with classes having at least 1 good spec at a time" but somehow it's never outlaws turn

[quiet root]

nope, have some more blade flurry nerfs

[karmic gust]

even though the highest keys with rogues are outlaws

[quiet root]

outlaw*, singular

[karmic gust]

assa 1M+ openeer seems kinda insane tho ngl

[unique fulcrum]

a group build around full phys

and buffing outlaw dps

zac is getting us nerfed..

we need to ban him from outlaw

for like a month

[jagged plover]

if outlaw was actually good people would fotm reroll to it

[quiet root]

people are downright scared of this spec

[karmic gust]

buff this year just trust