outlaw

[vivid vessel]

oh well

sim embel bro

whatdeheck

[frail veldt]

I was just curious if long term the value of the wep embels outweigh the 4ilvl

[vivid vessel]

arent the non weapon embel better anywya ?

the ones that stack stat or whatever

i think they are kinda good

[craggy barn]

arcanoweave lining is busted

[gaunt phoenix]

Is it?

[vivid vessel]

idk i think so lol

[snow stratus]

!fuu

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[frail veldt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q1gWUsMppG6RZ7X2zvPcaj

@vivid vessel

did I fuck something up or is myth mainhand trash

[vivid vessel]

you can do these sims with top gear

please do it with top gear

[frail veldt]

I dont have the gear though

[vivid vessel]

i hate gear compare

[frail veldt]

I had to create it

[vivid vessel]

ye you add it

at the top

[frail veldt]

whats the difference

fine

[vivid vessel]

idk

gear compare has had times were it was legit bugged

and i never understood why

• your top sim have 3 embels

so

thats kinda cheating no

[frail veldt]

weird

[vivid vessel]

wdym weird thats how you set it up

[frail veldt]

I thought i tunred it off for that one

[vivid vessel]

ah well maybe you did idk

i cant see

[frail veldt]

im redoing in top gear

[vivid vessel]

you wrote acanoweave so

[frail veldt]

must be a bug

this is how I set itup

so it combined them wrong

[vivid vessel]

what

im confused

or you are confused

[frail veldt]

cuz each gearset is its own group right?

[vivid vessel]

on how to use gear compare

[frail veldt]

yeah I thought it would sim each gearset

[vivid vessel]

this is what you should have been doing ?

im confused at what you are trying to do

[frail veldt]

ooooooh yeah im just dumb

fried

[vivid vessel]

ye thats why youi use top gear anyway

cant do therse mistakes it wont allow you

[frail veldt]

my top gear fucked up too im just bad

website cant save me

[vivid vessel]

bro

i could have done it 10 times

[frail veldt]

I left the "require crests" checked so it just deleted the belt

lol

[vivid vessel]

by the time you wrote that

[frail veldt]

probably

[vivid vessel]

but im watching a tv show rn

and its 7am for me

so you do it

[frail veldt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6BCYwNLbPyt9mvTVzkWvdn

aite I guess I should take wep then

[vivid vessel]

i mean

you are upping your belt

from 246

to 285

this is also kinda unfair

:D

no ye mb

sim here

pretty good !

[frail veldt]

ye

[vivid vessel]

wonder how much of that is arcanoweave being good tho

also

if i may

[frail veldt]

well thats what I was curious

[vivid vessel]

your gear is absolutely terrible

[frail veldt]

im aware

[vivid vessel]

io woudlnt craft a belt

[frail veldt]

I have not been playing

[vivid vessel]

also if i may

another time

if you only have 100 guilded rn

i would upgrade your mythic chest

instead of spending the crests in a crafted belt

[frail veldt]

lol

[vivid vessel]

but if you also have more i would craft a head prolly

[vivid vessel]

ok i mean how far from the cap are you

is the question

not how much you have rn

[frail veldt]

very

[vivid vessel]

ok i mean

if i were you i would prolly upgrade mythic chest and craft leg or head mythic

head is bad stats i think

so head

[frail veldt]

yeah head makes sense

I just did belt in the sim

[vivid vessel]

not belt anywya

ye

[frail veldt]

to try to do apples to apples

namean

[gaunt phoenix]

tier head is low vers + high mastery

[vivid vessel]

• belt have socket

socket this tier

are worth

legit

20 ivll

this is not a cap btw

[frail veldt]

ye crafted helm is decent option right?

[gaunt phoenix]

it is

[vivid vessel]

especially for you

it is

[frail veldt]

yeye

[vivid vessel]

cause your gear is complete dogshit lil bro !

bet solo have better gear than you

that vermillia guy

vermilius

veramius

vermalia

vernimia

varinamus

[gaunt phoenix]

my gear is good

i was also not playing

but you get infinite gear pretty fast

[vivid vessel]

verlimia?

veranus

[frail veldt]

okay other thing though

@vivid vessel

is this beans?

[vivid vessel]

no clue

but what are you comparing it to

just sim against a crafted head

!fuu

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[vivid vessel]

oh wait thats

i thought that was crafted trinket

tf is that trinket

never seen in my life

[gaunt phoenix]

iuts from seat

it's not good

[vivid vessel]

looking at fuu sims it might lose against your other trinket

in hc

if you upgrade that one to hc

[frail veldt]

ty

[vivid vessel]

np

[frail veldt]

yw

[frail veldt]

so for whatever reason something changed with the default cps cuz they fill instantly now

its great

they have no animation now

[vivid vessel]

how do you even know that

default cp bozo?

not using the wangbar?

weird ..

[frail veldt]

ye

I like the circlews

little spheres

not sure whtas making them instant though

could be an addon that updated

[vivid vessel]

could make that with weak auras ..

[frail veldt]

yeah it mattered when it had an animation

honeslty I was about to do it

but now that the animations gone

look how fast this is

[vivid vessel]

wow so fast !

[frail veldt]

shits op

[vivid vessel]

now imagine if ss procced cps didnt have a delay now !

would go crazy

[frail veldt]

tru

[hot olive]

is this good?

[rare rapids]

!fuu

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[gleaming reef]

Anyone wanna test my Blade Flurry weakaura? Does target counting and created highlighted overlay over your Blade Flurry icon. (got to adjust the overlay location yourself)

M33kAura not Weakaura 😛

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah it's fine

[tall sundial]

how much of a damage loss would this build be?

or could this work?

[vivid vessel]

why audacity

audacity without hidden opp is litteraly a talent making you lose dps

if you want to play ambush talents you need to pick ho

or it doesnt work

[tall sundial]

i would like to have Find an Oppening but i just cant get enough points for heavy hitter

[vivid vessel]

it is significantly behind tho

why do you care about heavy hitter

[tall sundial]

'cos it is a 2 pointer and i have no idea where to take that extra point from

at least in AOE content

[vivid vessel]

oh you mean like that

i mean as i said

audacity is a talent that makes you lose dps

i think you can cancel aura it

if you really want your 10% opp chance

[gaunt phoenix]

Its a 2% loss here https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x8MWv8JbKRVEtr99D7VS9w

[vivid vessel]

ye you will have to cancel aura audacity tho

so have to make a macro for it

iirc it works to just have it inside a ss macro tho

like /cancelaura auda / cast ss

pretty sure that worked last i tested

[gaunt phoenix]

It does

[tall sundial]

i see

[gaunt phoenix]

But it's still not good

[vivid vessel]

and ye since you wont be pressing ambush dont play the ambush talent in the class tree

keep tight spender

[gaunt phoenix]

Oh ye i didnt see improved ambush

The sim assumes you take audacity but still dont press ambush

[frail veldt]

Oh that might bring it a good amount closer

[vivid vessel]

no

solo didnt sim with it

[frail veldt]

Aaah

[vivid vessel]

its just 2% behind

i mean in the end its a dead talent

even tho you kinda gain what you would think is a very good talent

[frail veldt]

Yeah the 2 point heavy hitter is v troll

In our tree

[vivid vessel]

idk how good even is that 10% opp chacne

it indeed is

[frail veldt]

Prob depends on target count

St big id imagine

[tall sundial]

i miss TWW HO outlaw so much man

[frail veldt]

Wait can he remove move speed

Or am I forgetting how many points the gating is

Wait nvm yeah im trolling

[vivid vessel]

you are

big troll man

[wintry solar]

SC/HO was fun

[vivid vessel]

no

[wintry solar]

ye

with S2 tier

amazing

[frail veldt]

Oh in SL

?

I didn't mind ambush in SL

HO sc s2 was goofy

[wintry solar]

nope

[frail veldt]

Wasn't that the roll on CD build

Until you 5 roll

[wintry solar]

S2 TWW is the best iteration of that version of outlaw

Solos all of DF

[frail veldt]

That was the goofiest gameplay lol

[wintry solar]

yes

[vivid vessel]

it was also not ho

but sure

[wintry solar]

spam rtb is peak

was peak until this RtB came

[wintry solar]

for your kind maybe

[vivid vessel]

ho is and was

always has been

for low iq individuals

im happy the build was there for them tho

!

like bm hunter is a spec in wow !

[frail veldt]

Man this Zac guy is the worst

[vivid vessel]

Man this Zac guy is the worst

[wintry solar]

people listen to him too

[tall sundial]

tbh i liked being low iq HO player who didnt have to spend 45 energy just to do aoe

[vivid vessel]

idk what you mean

bf wasnt 45 energy lol

[tall sundial]

i mean

[vivid vessel]

that got added in midnight for wahtever reason

[tall sundial]

now

[frail veldt]

Maybe they mean now

[tall sundial]

it eats man

[vivid vessel]

ye

its shit

[frail veldt]

Bladeflurry

In two target cleave

[vivid vessel]

blizzard think outlaw should have assa gameplay

[frail veldt]

Is CRIMINALLY awful

[vivid vessel]

no dev played that version of outlaw

you wont convince me of that

[tall sundial]

this talent tree is so bad man,
2 pointer with no real benefit which eats all our point and no energy

and now we get aoe nerfs

[wintry solar]

people wanted PC gone so

they got it lol

[frail veldt]

It wouldn't help

The issue is energy cost

In low target cleave

[cinder relic]

Itd make the spec playable on paladins

rather than the entire class being unplayable on paladins

[frail veldt]

It would make it do more damage yeah but the rotation would still feel shitty

I liked PC personally

[wintry solar]

itd feel shitty regardless

[frail veldt]

I hate the new energy cost on deft

0/10

[gaunt phoenix]

it should be like +2 energy per target hit

if they really wanted this theme

[frail veldt]

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

i mean

i also dont think bf is intended to be refreshed that often

[tall sundial]

or just make tea be on restless

[frail veldt]

You mean it's not meant to have 100% uptime?

[vivid vessel]

its clearly too tighjt of a timer

no

[frail veldt]

In two target

[vivid vessel]

i mean it should be longer duration

[frail veldt]

Oh sure

Yeah hard agree

[vivid vessel]

i play gcd perfect and if i get unlucky with 2 gcd i can drop bf

[frail veldt]

Yep

[vivid vessel]

or have to refresh bf at bad moments

[frail veldt]

[vivid vessel]

certainly cant be intended

bf should be way longer duration

and it should be energy positive at low target

you wanna make it eat energy at 5 target cause whatever the fuck you think outlaw as too mcuh energy at 5 target

ok sure

why is that a concern anyway

we are acting like we want the game easier for noobs

and then we do these kind of changes

where if you arent god gamer on adheral pressing every gcd perfect

you run out of eneryg

in 30s

makes you think !

[fluid meadow]

what about bf with drain energy system, to not put u into zero when press, like 45 energy at full duration is really nothing while draining like 3-5/sec, but 45 when press is fcktard

[grizzled heron]

Bf should reduce your energy regen by 30% I think that'd be awesome

[vivid vessel]

Ye it would be

Outlaw on cuck chair please

I will lick your feets clean blizzard

Under the toe nails

Tongue action

[slim hare]

hi zac

i'm blizzard

[outer meteor]

im actually so terrible at aa first pull

cant keep my uptime

[haughty wigeon]

zac

[sturdy crow]

smooth rotation for smooth brain, give it back pls

[haughty wigeon]

do you know what talent we sac for double aces?

[gaunt phoenix]

you mean for ptr or vanguard?

[tiny onyx]

For BtE do you want to be hitting the SAME target with it while cleaving to do the most dmg? Or is using BtE on any target fine for the buff?

[gaunt phoenix]

target doesnt matter

[tiny onyx]

also is there a way to guarentee a jackpot? For example if you had triple threat and adrenaline rushed for loaded dice and then rolled?

[gaunt phoenix]

nope, loaded dice is still a new random roll, it is just bumped by +1 from whatever it was going to be

[tiny onyx]

kk ty

Last question regarding rolls for the SoT talent it says has a 20% chance increased chance of granting more powerful results

does this mean like 1.2x of getting stage 2/3/4?

or does it mean the buffs are stronger

[gaunt phoenix]

1.2x chance

[harsh forge]

bro they should just put thistle tea on restless blades

thank you blizzard!

just rework energy system completely its the worst resource in the game

[serene urchin]

add bf uptime on spenders but like not crazy amount so its not 100% seem like such an easy fix

half second extend on spenders would be godly QoL already

[craggy barn]

solo

[gaunt phoenix]

?!

[craggy barn]

if target dies to our attack that attack isnt flurried right

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[craggy barn]

kk good

target swap before death ez

[haughty wigeon]

ptr

i saw a build in pins tho

[craggy barn]

wait theres a reason to get double ace before ptr on vanguards?

[gaunt phoenix]

the 3 people playing outlaw on mythic vanguard

[craggy barn]

oh

[gaunt phoenix]

dancing steel vs 2 ace is a fair question

[craggy barn]

interesting

whats the comparison in sims?

[gaunt phoenix]

within 0.5%

[craggy barn]

hrrmg

idky im even asking the chances i take my rog to vanguards prob not real

alt raid does not bolster confidence

nothing new for mplus rn tho right?

same old stuff there ye?

[tame flower]

quick question, are we stacking haste until we hit 23% without any buffs then buffing crit?

[craggy barn]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[late hill]

Can somebody advise what stat influence proc of opportunity? it feels like something influences when we press sinister strike to proc opportunity

[river wing]

nothing does

it's just a chance, but talents and RtB improve it

no stat does

[arctic hollow]

I just saw that in Salhaddar Myth there is a boost parse in our top 100

[unique fulcrum]

i heard the Vorasius Number 1 Log is a cool rogue guy

[arctic hollow]

Their transmog looks so cool too, what a champ

[reef forge]

i just had a 17 bte chain

and it didn't look impressive on the meters

[remote tangle]

bte went in the gutter it feels like

same with the whole spec

[balmy topaz]

What as in they’re boosting someone?

They better turn off small orbs for logs

Cus it’s bullshit

[remote tangle]

do we have anything to track rolls or cds now that weakauras are gone?

[balmy topaz]

The roll rules are very easy now

You don’t need wa’s

You have cdm manager to track the buff itself

[remote tangle]

i found it, thats actually convenient

[carmine seal]

quick question why is prep being used in m+ talent builds now

and i have been using it but dont know when is a good time to use it

[balmy topaz]

It’s good just to get prep on cd

If you’re doing pigs only and you’re struggling to use prep

Over a dungeon sim

Prep is = to another point in SD

[carmine seal]

so why go prep when you can just get a point in SD?

[wintry solar]

how do you see the tier pieces?

the button moved

[reef forge]

gods gift so outlaw can mimic a fraction of other classes damage
https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/muHVPxQHuEV39BtPC?invite=cr-MSw4UEIsMjQ4NzQyMjMz&v=38

[jagged plover]

jumping like a firemage in combust

[reef forge]

no adr = jump

[jagged plover]

gotta maintain APM

[wintry solar]

That's what the strafe spam is for

[timid portal]

adadadadadadadadadadadadad

[silver venture]

Since i entered 15s bracket i saw ppl use thingy like "star is my focus" wchich addon does that

[grim spear]

I feel prep should reset kir as well
and maybe kir should upgrade your current rtb buff by one, or prep should guarantee a jackpot

That would actually make it feel like it makes sense

[arctic hollow]

Yeah a 207 ilevel 2k dps is logged on myth Salhaddar at 93th place

[unique fulcrum]

i feel so insanely squishy in 18s its crazy man, what can one do, i already have 10% avoidance aswell

[glass shard]

https://tenor.com/bGpoM.gif

literally this

bm hunter pressing nothing for 10 trillion dps:

https://tenor.com/pt0VZLXBg2m.gif

[junior folio]

I don't know about add-ons but you can do macros like "focusing {rt6}" and just make a macro to kick and mark your own focus target

[glass shard]

i just hit 3.3k io

and i havent been kicked once for being outlaw

W EU pug community

[daring venture]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[twilit spruce]

Do you guys use any addon with TTS for dungeon alerts? I legit feel so lost

[long barn]

What resources bar is that? It looks like Zac’s from TWW

[gray summit]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[long barn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[long barn]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[random stirrup]

it is zac's

[long barn]

I thought it was dead. Abandoned. Glad to see it’s back.

[random stirrup]

is back with wa #outlaw message

[gray summit]

guys

our source of bis

its bloodmallet, wowhead or fuu excel ?

[reef forge]

it is zacs

[thorn parrot]

Going to be real with you G, most people are just going to say SIM. I found Bloomallet to be pretty acurate though. The only thing I think it kind of does wrong is on use damage trinkets. No matter what I cant get them to work in a real world scenario. YMMV as always

[sturdy crow]

Does 4set/AR/BTE stacks interact with trinket damage?

Should I be holding insignia for when the stars align

[mystic berry]

Solo

I do whatever solo says

hes my guru

[gaunt granite]

Hey, i'm used to play with Wowanalyser to target my weekness on logs etc, but Outlaw is not supported this season season sadly, do you know any other website who can help analyse logs ?

[glass mortar]

Nope

U can post logs here and someone might help u but outlaw logs are a pita to review so it's a bit sad at the moment

[glass mortar]

Idk about 4set but ar and bte do not

I would assume it doesn't as they have generally moved away from effects doing that

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[blissful quiver]

Okay, so im using SS at 1 combo point while having one stack of opportunity. If i get another stack that puts me at 6 combo points and 2 stacks of opportunity. Am I supposed to PS to get to 7 combo points or am i supposed to just use a finisher?

[jagged plover]

faq answers all

[glass mortar]

U would be using a finisher at 3 CP if u just cast one

We never do that

You press ps

[blissful quiver]

Uh maybe im explainging wrong

Cause FAQ doesnt explain this scenario

[thorn parrot]

[glass mortar]

Oh you mean ss procced

[blissful quiver]

Yeah

[glass mortar]

That puts you at 6 cp

[blissful quiver]

Correct

[glass mortar]

That is a finisher threshold

You finish

[blissful quiver]

Okay just making sure cause FAQ basically says to always PS if at mac stacks

[glass mortar]

5+ for dispatch, 6+ for bte

[blissful quiver]

max*

[glass mortar]

Well yes over ss

[blissful quiver]

Got ya okay

just making sure

[glass mortar]

Finishers and builders don't compete since they do separate things

[blissful quiver]

So its just PS>SS to make sure we dont over stack

[glass mortar]

Their priorities are vs other finishers or other builders

Yup exactly

[blissful quiver]

o7

[kind otter]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[thorn parrot]

Doing a couple keys as trickster just to see what its all about and my god is it sad to see Killing spree behind instant poison

[patent mirage]

idk why they went on and nerfed ks like that

you cant use it without trickster and even with that it does low dmg

[broken tangle]

think they thought it would be too good with current bte giving dmg%

i think lowering the cooldown without changing the damage is a better approach, like the old ks with 1.5min cd

[livid pewter]

anyone got "colored nameplates" with plater? or any script/mod for that

[blazing wraith]

@vivid vessel Hey could you take a look what can cause this? ive downloaded your Profile and here at Ayije CDM / Essential / Max icons per row was at 5 but everytime i try to put on 6 on the next reload just snap back to 5.

[grim spear]

holy f

[next frigate]

Did someone say improved between the eyes is bugged?

[jovial sedge]

!fuu

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[frail veldt]

In pvp it does nothing yeah

Can drop the talent entirely

[inland meteor]

does the game feel a bit more laggy the last 2 days or am i losin it

[vivid vessel]

Weak aura > rogue > ayjee CDM thingy

[keen belfry]

Zac have u looked at dmg profiles

Cause atleast with The Gappening starting we still have a decent dmg profile

Compared to last

And good ST

Idk what feral dmg profile is, and their ST is butt

But arms with funnel is crazy boss dam and prio

[cinder relic]

I think that's the exact reason. They didn't wasn't ks to be used in both builds. Only for trickster

[keen belfry]

i wonder the difference of a trickster build with no ks vs with

that button is so bad even in trickster

its a signficant dps gain to sit on KS for all of AR

crazy design

[thorn parrot]

I literally just did this and it felt TERRIBLE without KS. Idk but i was waaaay more energy starved than I was with it.

Im doing more test runs today in only PoS to try and get a true feeling for it but right now KS in trickster feels almost mandatory, not for the damage but the synergy that the ability brings to it.

I kind of want to find a way to take prep too but I have no idea what talent to remove lmao

[sterile obsidian]

do we play with instant poison or wound posieo?

[cinder relic]

instant

[thorn parrot]

instant wound is for PvP

[keen belfry]

it is mandatory, i was just curious the difference of the 2. KS is a terrible button but i guess one of its benefit is u get to afk for 3 seconds reganining energy

[sterile obsidian]

I am seeing so many talent builds running improved wound poison, why is that?

[keen belfry]

because certain dungeons its very good and its not a contested point

[sterile obsidian]

I rather take shiv, its usefull sometimes

[keen belfry]

and sometimes its way less useful than woundpoison!

dungeon dependent

[sterile obsidian]

whichs dungeons or good for wound?

[keen belfry]

but id say -60kHPS on berserkers in maisara caverns is giga

[cinder relic]

Nexus point bridge heals with those giant circles

[keen belfry]

big void mob in magisters, xenas has healing, uhhhh i think thats it

but id say wound poison in first area of maisara is mandatory

its legit +60k dps

[grave rose]

If you need any of the alchemy or Enchanting decor shit, just put in an order to me. I can make all of em from vanilla forward

[cinder relic]

God damn

[jolly geyser]

Its the damn decor master over here

[tame flower]

I do not knpw how many mroe runs of pit skyreach and seat i can do to get my items 😂

[buoyant cosmos]

Regeneratin' is always active?

[vivid vessel]

ye its a buff they have on them

2% health per sec

or per 5s idk

[buoyant cosmos]

Got it

Ty

[vivid vessel]

might be per 5s

can just hover the buff

but it is a lot of healing

[buoyant cosmos]

Yeah, tons

[vivid vessel]

its on most of the troll mobs

• obviously it should scale harder and harder with key level

[buoyant cosmos]

I'll be sure to switch, I was getting in the habit of doing it in magisters

[vivid vessel]

first pack

and i had wound

thats kinda crazy actually

[thorn parrot]

thats wild

[vivid vessel]

ye they had 100% uptime on wound idk

would mean they are legit healing for 180k /s almost

in 20

[buoyant cosmos]

Rogue utility is so back

[keen belfry]

hmmm

banger?

[thorn parrot]

Automatic, sitll is

[vivid vessel]

trash

delete

[keen belfry]

hes banging

[buoyant cosmos]

joke mog for joke class

[eternal hound]

Ahem

Fuck mages

10 terrace I am so bad

[copper radish]

F them mages with their all target AoE shatter bs thingy they got going on

[eternal hound]

To be fair

only reason I beat them was cuz they died like 4 times

And I didn't die once

[slim hare]

offensive dispell is better for those

[fading schooner]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[viral ruin]

guys, wish me luck, Im coming for rank 33 on drakes

[jolly geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1019406154503303220/1079823823643349043/beyondthepointofnoreturn.gif?ex=69dd2dcd&is=69dbdc4d&hm=11eac951012d5517a7381d4fc1ce21a9843ed4e1787b9942aa4c2da05ceb5ae2&

[eternal hound]

Guys

I know this is an odd topic

But I honestly don't feel like this is right for a 10 caverns

are aug hooks really that fucked?

[vivid vessel]

there is no aug hooks bro

not in blizzard details

hooks are in logs

blizzard doesnt care

[slim hare]

another topic to comment on the latest wowhead post

anything thats regarding addon or ui this expac is broken

if you think something is wrong

it probably is rn

wowhead say look at logs but even that is broken for some classes

[nova blaze]

when i roll 2, i sometimes just get the cp generation of the 1 roll. is that a bug or is my ui broken?

[frail veldt]

1 roll doesnt give cp gen

it gives proc chance right?

[nova blaze]

ye you know what i mean. when i roll 2 or above i often dont get double cps

[frail veldt]

its not double cps

its only on sinister strike

they changed it from tww

[nova blaze]

ye and i dont get that on ss. ps always gives 4 i know that or 1 without op

[frail veldt]

first time ive heard of it, if you see the bug again could you record it?

[nova blaze]

will do

[livid pewter]

do we trust this nexus ring set? its legit 0.5% overall its basically nothing ... and we dont like mastery tbf no?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/itTsBsthQRbPqw1V6rPhbg

[cinder relic]

If it sims higher it's good

[lucid sparrow]

why cant they make poisons esq shit more unique for rogues

like instead of instant poison for outlaw

imagine it had a blackpowder enchantment that made pistol shot bullets explode

with like a 5% chance or smth

[vivid vessel]

why would we care tho

[livid pewter]

was just farming pit ring, now i have it but sim says NOPE for Dslice
in dummy sims the set bonus isnt worth

[vivid vessel]

its just different in details

[cinder relic]

Spec uniqueness was a thing they focused on in legion

And then went back to more "class crossover" stuff in dragonflight

A big complaint people had was specs felt almost too unique. Where a sub rogue and an assassination rogue had basically nothing in common

So in dragonflight they reinstated a lot of random stuff. Like poisons, like rupture, like slice and dice

But an actual downside of something specific like you said, it'd probably make going wound poison a lot worse

[indigo token]

....

How's that bad?

makes it harder to learn specs?

[faint pendant]

mortal wounds effect is BiS in magister's terrace

rogue utility

[eternal hound]

I genuinely don't know aside from making specs harder to learn

Like

I have never heard that complaint in my life

also

blizz should give us gunpowder posion

[inland meteor]

give us nuke poison

[eternal hound]

yes

Let me put a nuke on my dagger

[faint pendant]

survival hunter is hated for that reason to this day

[eternal hound]

I stg

I haven't seen actual survival hate in years

[cinder relic]

For a majority of wows life, you were a class, and then a spec

In legion people felt like you were a spec first and a class barely at all.

It has nothing to do with being easy or hard to learn

[cinder relic]

It wasn't like a large scale complaint but by around shadowlands it was a fairly common criticism of overall spec focused design

U can think it's a good or bad thing but it was for sure a talking point among a lot of the community

[near rock]

@fathom bramble bro what happened on your crown kill

[vivid vessel]

you expecting outalw to do daamge on that boss ?

im confused

[sullen wyvern]

Our tier set bonuses are absolute dogshit arent they

[vivid vessel]

no its alright

especially in aoe

its more than alright

[near rock]

i was doin decent damage on our pulls

[lucid sparrow]

damn really

interesting

[sullen wyvern]

I find bladerush such a boring spell

[vivid vessel]

idk unless you are just padding on p1 globs i dont see in which phase outlaw is supposed to do damage

[sullen wyvern]

I wish it was more around BTE resets

[lucid sparrow]

i just thought cuz assa has its unique enhanced poisons, maybe outlaw could have something unique to enhancing guns

[near rock]

felt fine to me

[vivid vessel]

tindral felt fine for you

[fathom bramble]

bad things

[zinc briar]

Buffing devourer and MM in 12.5

but not outlaw

lets gooooooo

[near rock]

look I'm just saying he must have giga low rolled

[fathom bramble]

you get doomed from the melee obelisk targetting

and just do 0 damage in p2

[near rock]

oh yeah one time I got 3x obelisk in p2

[fathom bramble]

I also giga sandbag p1 since we have more than enough for that

[near rock]

and wanted to die

ahhh I see

[fathom bramble]

like run ST and ensure AR and such is up for p2

which tends to result in bottom damage P1

[near rock]

I have been sending everything on rip on p1 and usually adr is up in time for p2

and been running aoe

I'm curious how my p3 dmg is gonna look

I feel like if you don't lowroll it should be okkkk

[fathom bramble]

I low rolled so idk

or I felt like I did

[nova blaze]

senseis was bugged and showed cp wrong. thought blizzard kneecapped us with a suprise feature xD

[fathom bramble]

I had pulls where my boss dam was quite good and the kill pull just went really south really fast

[vivid vessel]

you run aoe ?

for what

[cinder relic]

Maybe next set!

[cinder relic]

Yeah. I don't necessarily agree with that complaint but I can understand where people are coming from. Especially when for years it was one way and then swapped another. Whether it's rational or not a lot of people seemed to prefer that idea

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel maybe this can help monksea

thoughts on this gather?

[stuck patrol]

I didn't mind all specs being different, but I definitely missed having poisons on all the specs, that was my only complaint

I'm alsona SnD enjoyed, even if it's passive

I like seeing my character attack super fast, it gives the dopamine

[paper pumice]

Revert oulaw changes pls

[stuck patrol]

Which ones lmao

[paper pumice]

All of them xD I dont enjoy it as much in midnight as I did in previous expansions

[vivid vessel]

gg br o

[keen belfry]

its good tech for pulling of rmunksea

[elder sonnet]

bullied in pugs

didn't even give me a chance

[gaunt phoenix]

Wtf..

[worldly shale]

ok

meme worthy

gif worthy

[gaunt phoenix]

the world is heartless and cruel

[elder sonnet]

we're just hated for playing law idk

OUTLAW!!!!!!!

[tender wedge]

That meme has such strong staying power it’s crazy

[vivid vessel]

NOOB !

gifed

ez

[elder sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-20432740

[keen belfry]

what this mean

[ashen void]

William Cream

[vivid vessel]

he owns you

lil bud

[light kernel]

does arms outdps hard us?

[gray summit]

incredible

I think we deserve a buff

again$

[vivid vessel]

yes

a lot

[last hedge]

Zac what do you use to play the sound on combo point reset for Ace and Ancient Arts?

[vivid vessel]

default cdm allows you to hook sounds to it

but i use ayjee cdm

https://mega.nz/file/erwSBYqR#frsEF5Xz1JNuYvx9U4RyvX71f8xsNiM1imoGyknq8N8 this is the sound if you want it

ace sound

[last hedge]

ty, ayjee cdm allows you to use custom sounds?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[light kernel]

yh i can see

but just arms

[keen belfry]

Billy Cream

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1493009002479751168/image_1.gif

why am i getting only spanish ads on twitch now

im not spanish

[fluid iron]

i got french adds earlier and believe it or not but im not french either

[vivid vessel]

whatdehelly

they must have broke something !

[novel isle]

oof

[snow hill]

It's worse, he's French 🥖

[slim hare]

french is better

[snow hill]

Anything is better than Italian (I say this as someone extremely close with Italians)

[undone notch]

Does the prismatic focusing iris embellishment proc blade flurry?

[clever wasp]

no it procs damage

[undone notch]

Okay so I mean like-

Will the damage from Iris turn into BF damage

[buoyant cosmos]

brave is really broken in france lol

[eternal hound]

No

Items generally have zero interactions with class mechanics

Also it's not an ability

[undone notch]

A lot of interactions feel weird because like, I never thought of auto attacks as an ability but that works so idk

[daring yoke]

the ascendant voidcore that upgrades wep/trinks to 298, are we expected to be able to use this on day 1 of 12.0.5?

[eternal hound]

A general rule of thumb in modern wow is to assume nothing in your class interacts with gear in a damage sense

So like if a trinket deals damage and can crit

don't expect like Jackpot to buff it nessisarily

[frail veldt]

why are you getting ads at all

[vivid vessel]

still havent figured out how to have ad blockers that works on twtich

so i get cancer

[frail veldt]

tamper monkey

and some scripts

[vivid vessel]

and i dont watch twitch

i just dont use twitch

[frail veldt]

if you want I can send you

[vivid vessel]

they won

[frail veldt]

kk

[desert tendon]

i dont watch twitch

i watch only zac

[daring yoke]

i swear the worst thing about outlaw atm is when you get stage 1 rtb and/or no energy 😭

[desert tendon]

[frail veldt]

I havent seen an ad on twitch ever lol

[vivid vessel]

i would prolly watch twitch if there was less ads

[frail veldt]

I'll never give up

[vivid vessel]

but since there is so manyt

[desert tendon]

for 20€ zac

[vivid vessel]

i gave up

[desert tendon]

i teach you how to adblock twitch

ywyw

[frail veldt]

theres also scripts to watch sub walled vods

its great

[vivid vessel]

ok send script mewo

[desert tendon]

cheater

[vivid vessel]

its legal

and very ethical

because twitch went too far

[frail veldt]

they really did

during RWF

it was

SO BAD

I tried watching on mobile

and just gave up

[craggy barn]

yuh

[brisk meadow]

Firefox

[vivid vessel]

dont firefox me

[brisk meadow]

I only watch Preroll and after that im chilling

[vivid vessel]

preroll is the worse part of twitch

[frail veldt]

ngl im about to drop chrome the ram usage in combination with how much fucking ram midnight is using has my PC not having a good time

[brisk meadow]

Just open all 3 rogue streams after another to skip them all

[frail veldt]

shits ridiculous

midnight is using like 16gigs

[brisk meadow]

Chrome is shit now

[cinder relic]

has been for years*

[brisk meadow]

Shit is spoonfeeding me ads after ads

[frail veldt]

I dont have any ads

but its slow

[pearl topaz]

dont use chrome anyway, have some respect for yourself and use Firefox

[glass mortar]

i swapped to firefox after they broke ublock origins for the 10th time like half a year ago

u can always pick up a new update for it and get adblock working again but its the principle of a browser at war with adblocks

noty

youtube and twitch are doing enough work themselves i dont need my browser actively helping them break adblocks

[next shuttle]

What is the general concensus on Darkmoon deck trinkets?

^ Question is mostly mythic+ focused

[echo tapir]

@keen belfry i see you 😛

[fossil lintel]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[dull ginkgo]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[gray summit]

i See otsdarvaa playing it on vanguard

its a strong trinket ?

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt even win against a hc trinket

so idk

cooked

[gray summit]

@near rock some feelings ? U get trapped or it’s strong ?

[glass mortar]

i thot there was discussion earlier in the season about it being misimplemented in simc

[gray summit]

Zac i was sad when i saw uou played sub on the crown

[glass mortar]

no idea if anything ever came of it tho

[vivid vessel]

how would you know before crafting it tho

[near rock]

its strong with matching embellishment

its not in simc tho

so gl

[glass mortar]

i dont think he did

just vibes gamer

[near rock]

craft at your own risk

[vivid vessel]

so what

just gamble ?

how do you know

[gray summit]

Like mh void

[glass mortar]

gambled it and logs looked like it was better then sims

[vivid vessel]

without crafting it first

[glass mortar]

or something like that

but again idk if it ever went past that

[gray summit]

Thanks for your feedback and gg for vanguard

[vivid vessel]

why would you gamble a mythic crafted trinket

[glass mortar]

who is suggesting its a good idea

they went with the vibes

werent they running vibe talents on prog too

vibe raider

[near rock]

we love vibes

[vivid vessel]

he plays with aoe talent on crown so

still need to hear a justification about that one

why do you think its not implemented also

im looking at a sim with your profile

uptime is similar

the stacks you get is also somwehat similar idk

you highrolled it a bit on the kill pull but other pulls are somwehat whatr im seeing on sims

on kill pull you actually had multiple instances of 3 and even a 4

ohter ones tho not really

and uptime is same as in sims so idk

[quick ridge]

I think blade flurry gives the damage buff from the tier set if it hits a target

or I'm so tired that I'm trippin

[vivid vessel]

maybe

who knows

hopefully not the big boss blizzard

[peak dock]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[rare rapids]

maybe asked but is anyone having crazy weird issues with sound in the raid?

during boss fights I feel like some sounds are clipped or muted and other times they're not and it's driving me insane

[vivid vessel]

yes

i think thats just normla tho

wow has this thing were

you cant play too many sounds at a time

ro smth

idk

[rare rapids]

Yeah I've tried maxing hte channels out but this is the first time I've noticed it

[vivid vessel]

wow sound always been broken

[rare rapids]

Ugh - Was just wondering if that was what was wrecking my performance in raid

the second a boss is pulled my FPS just goes totally to shit now

[vivid vessel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1sib2x6/turning_off_the_sound_in_game_will_gain_you_50_fps/

well there was this post

few days ago

[grim spear]

wtf

[rare rapids]

no shot lol

[cinder relic]

Genuinely a lot of games are like this

I know PoE 1 and 2 are the same way

[vivid vessel]

i dont know a lot of games that runs as bad as wow tbf

i could run cyberpunk with max everything on my computer

prolly at 144hz in 4k

but wow you get in raid and automatically have 20fps

banger tbh

[cinder relic]

I still dont understand how that happens

[rare rapids]

Maybe it's not just me then

Jesus

[cinder relic]

My framerate all expac, even in 40 man raiding has been totally fine

Like, 140+

[vivid vessel]

idk

[grim spear]

wow’s basically 20 years of pile of shit code

[vivid vessel]

you watch race people and its the same for them

[grim spear]

and they still let this much user code run in it

[vivid vessel]

and i would expect they litteraly have people working with them to not have these issues

did you watch lura even

they spent hours trying to fix fps issues

idk im used to it by now

dont care anymore

i have accepted wow in raid will be 0 fps till end of times

[grim spear]

They let user code run, give it basically unlimited time slices, and let it do all kinds of crazy shit

[vivid vessel]

ye im sure its addons

[grim spear]

this is exactly what you get.

[vivid vessel]

and not wow

[cinder relic]

Im still playing basically no addon mode havin no issues

thats the only exp I can speak to

[grim spear]

And we’re back to the same question again: should WoW even be a competitive game?

[cinder relic]

It wasnt blizzard who made RWF

PPl compete in speedruns for video games literally 20+ years old to this day

If ppl wanna compete they will

[vivid vessel]

both "competitive" gamemodes arent really

real competitive games

pvp sure

but m+ is kinda accidental in a way

its also player made

its just speedrun after all

there is no direct competition between players other than the one players made themselves

keep in mind there wasnt even in game rio

till idk

was it df

[grim spear]

When I say “competitive,” I’m mostly talking about combat intensity.

[wintry solar]

Ye

[cinder relic]

what does that even mean

[grim spear]

Basically just difficulty

The gap between skill floor and ceiling, how much coordination it needs, how precise your execution has to be, and how much information you have to handle at once.

[cinder relic]

The game has multiple difficulties for a reason

[wintry solar]

And faucets

[cinder relic]

If u want mega hard content, play mythic

if u want easy content, play heroic

or even normal

LFR

Just be a roleplayer

[grim spear]

Yeah, but after 20 years of just letting it run wild, addons have basically become part of that difficulty level too.

[cinder relic]

Which is part of why they wanted to delete addons

[grim spear]

And that’s the real problem.

[cinder relic]

whats the problem?

[grim spear]

Letting user code become part of the game’s difficulty, then constantly messing with it and ending up making the game run like crap.

[cinder relic]

Its the argument against removing addons like weakaura

Which I think was a good idea but bad execution

[vivid vessel]

ye the game is way better now that there is no addons

[cinder relic]

Thats not what I asid

[vivid vessel]

no i said it

[wintry solar]

For

Not against

[cinder relic]

Yeah for

[undone notch]

Weakauras, as someone who got into the game 13 months ago, were almost enough to singlehandedly make me wanna put down the game

The game auto-completing mechanics for you is just absolutely absurd

[cinder relic]

Most of the time it wasn't reallllyy doing that, but yeah, it did bother me how many fights it made u have to think way less

[undone notch]

People having a competitive advantage because of outside resources is utter BS

[vivid vessel]

nothing really changed tho

[cinder relic]

it for sure has

[thorn parrot]

Well what about people with better computers and MS?

[vivid vessel]

90% of the weak aura people had were just better bars or whatever

you still have that

you just cant do assignement weak aura anymore

and yet

[undone notch]

I still dont like that kinda stuff lol

[vivid vessel]

you have the lura weak aura

and the dispells assignement weka aura on paladin

[cinder relic]

For 99% of the player base, weakauras dont exist anymore

Now, for us 1%, they still do

Which I wish they didn't

But they do

[vivid vessel]

ok i mean

these people didnt need weak aura back then either

not sure anything changed

[cinder relic]

Whether they needed them or not is very different than what the social expectation was/is

[vivid vessel]

idk

i think its extremely lame to just

an example is that

back in teh days

if i would be doing a fight like dragon boss

when i would have had the circle mechanic on me

i could display it better than an icon, like i would prolly have had a circle around me to show the timer

now i see it next to 2 other debuffs

that i have permanently on for some reason

is it harder?

idk not really

its the same info still here

its just

not as nice

instead of having something nice to look at or whatever i have to look at 4 different icons all looking the same

didnt really make the game more fun to me

[outer meteor]

insta kicked btw

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1493009002479751168/image_1.gif

[thorn parrot]

Honestly seeing how were the second to last represented spec in M+, I'm here for it.

[outer meteor]

cant get this last key for resil

[old gull]

Where can you see that?

[mystic berry]

its getting to the level where people invite me because they got no clue

they look at a yellow name and think its a shiny pokemon or shit like that

little do they know]

@vivid vessel why I cant see tomelvis in murlok?

[vivid vessel]

too high io

[mystic berry]

based

[vivid vessel]

isnt that a pvp thing tho

i dont think i ever used murlok

[mystic berry]

It has all content

idk if it was different at some point

[vivid vessel]

idk guess im blacklisted

or their site sucks and they dont know cause i logged off as sub

which is more likely

but then its a pretty big skill issue on their part if you ask me

[mystic berry]

I checked, you arent in sub aswell, might genuinely have been cut off by some score ceiling

[vivid vessel]

well no but

what if

they do it like that right

check every sub character