do u have new route for seat zac
#outlaw
vivid vessel
same as you bro
vivid vessel
we have good routes cuh
keen belfry
i think literally the biggest gap i see is eu warriors man
i beat every warrior i play with
but i see ur stream and farover farts down ur throat
vivid vessel
look whwat we did last time
i seriously think our comp is underated
this is pit
only +2 
vivid vessel
:D
this was the 20 but he died on duo boss for a long time
this was the 19 +2
its kidna crazy the amount of damage he does
imo nerf warior
peak dock
!stats
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.
- You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
- Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
- You have to use
Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.
keen belfry
doesnt he do 0 boss dam
vivid vessel
no because we bring funnel cuh
he doesnt know
first boss
its the same shit as assa bro
"guys look at me my st is so low"
"guys assa is so bad you cant do st"
ye mf
bring 3 mobs on boss and he does 100k st
calm down buddy
vivid vessel
idk
apparently at 3 target they have maximum funnel
so its not even like assa where you needed a bunch to get infinite value
but we bring that guy on boss
you nkow
keen belfry
mhm
vivid vessel
the mobs that never die
we cc the big dude
and we just have immortal mobs
the whole boss
:D
frank finch
vivid vessel
we do the same in caverns
with the mobs that revive
over and over
you just never kick
:D
keen belfry
we do the same in caverns
wkat bos is that
mystic berry
what the hell
vivid vessel
that revive
keen belfry
oh is that MC
vivid vessel
ye caverns
peak dock
zac can i ask you something?
keen belfry
yes
vivid vessel
zac can i ask you something?
no !
mystic berry
im unsubbing
what they mean is:
"OUTLAW!"
gaunt phoenix
freedom
mystic berry
I am sorry bro
keen belfry
this is such flame
indigo token
the game seemed to be going downhill anyway
indigo token
this is such flame
motherfucker said to look at the wowhead guides
ive never been so fucking insulted
keen belfry
why? do you like icyveins more?
vivid vessel
icyveins in 2026 ..
keen belfry
that was banger tho no?
mystic berry
I mean
mystic berry
the guy didn't need to be so condescending lol
like, just say "sorry man, you didnt make the cut"
indigo token
he didnt even lead with that
mystic berry
he went the extra mile to tell you to eat shit
vivid vessel
he gave him the reason?
indigo token
he gave me the reason after I said
"Did you kick me from the server"
"At least tell me what I did wrong"
snow stratus
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
indigo token
stealth gkick
im not comin back unless they give me back something
ruined all the classes I enjoy
i doubt it tbh
glass mortar
whats his damage breakdown in the log to boss couldnt u see what the funnel is
indigo token
I can see the whole dev team flaming out
glass mortar
its probably the slayer thingy tho
indigo token
its tragic
vivid vessel
indigo token
this whole worldsoul saga is a mistake, faster expansions really arent the move
glass mortar
k i have no fuckin clue because none of that looks like funnel abilities
they musta got something new
eternal hound
Actually massive RIP
eternal hound
this whole worldsoul saga is a mistake, faster expansions really arent the move
Dude I totally agree
Blizzard is moving so fast on massive fucking changes
that need MORE TIME
indigo token
Dude
I would gladly take season 4's
if they have more time
the whole addon changes needed so much more time in the oven
hell
every change did
eternal hound
Evrey class I play is kinda omega fucked rn
DK I just can't stand
Rogue is just a meme at this point
indigo token
Arms is fucked
indigo token
Frost mage is INSANELY fucked
glass mortar
i just wanna do keys
eternal hound
Arms is I genuinely do not understand
vivid vessel
im turning into zac
im also a raid enjoyer cuh
eternal hound
how the hell they went from the most promising arms changes
vivid vessel
reminder i raided in 7 days guilds
eternal hound
to literally making me wonna die
vivid vessel
and im only on 3 days this tier cause our guild legit boomed cause midnight
eternal hound
reminder i raided in 7 days guilds
I would actually crash out
if I had to raid 7 days
vivid vessel
will be 7 days again next tier prolly
fervent gate
No buffs this week 👉🏻👈🏻🥺?
gaunt phoenix
nyo 
lucid sparrow
mystic berry
atleast nobody got anything this week
final pagoda
@vivid vessel I looked at your 19 magister key and you ran pretty different talents then the standard builds. can you explain the rationale behind some of the changes? (ex: gauge, prep + dancing steel, etc)
gaunt phoenix
gouge is normal after blind nerf
prep + dancing is very normal...?
dancing is required
and i explain prep
final pagoda
yep I saw that. why this change is better in more coordinated keys only?
gaunt phoenix
cuz its the same overall in theory
but prep is prep
it's an AR when you need it
to help kill certain packs and shit
fathom bramble
prep is very nice if you conditionally hold it for scary bosses
and it's really nice on the first big pull in most keys
final pagoda
makes sense
fathom bramble
moreso in higher keys than lower ones
final pagoda
also I noticed he rarely KiR on 2buff, even if he didnt have LD
not sure if intentional or what
mystic berry
I like to hold prep for dry times since I pug tanks
but I have been trying to use it more offensively
gaunt phoenix
you dont have to kir on 2, but it is gamba
if you skip it
zac doesnt like kir on 2 but i doubt he skips it all the time
eternal hound
we can just save KIR for 3 and not loose much?
gaunt phoenix
or you risk going to 1 buff too much
yes, you can kir on 3 and its a similar average, but it is more gamba
final pagoda
I see thanks
vivid vessel
zac doesnt like kir on 2 but i doubt he skips it all the time
im trying stuffs rn
basically
if i think i can farm adr in time
or prep will be here
i wont kir
a 2
which means i very rarely end up kiring a 2 especially in aoe
and since im not ending up on 1 most of the times doing that
unless i miscalculated
or bad rng streak
or whatever
its prolly better
fathom bramble
yeah that's what I ahve been doing
very good feeling especially on first pull
when you entire with LD and are getting 2 more LDs soon
like 83% chance of getting 3/4 on the first pull at some point if you do that
gaunt phoenix
i thought i pretty much established that you should try not to kir at 2 if you think you will get loaded dice back
vivid vessel
im actually talking about the other times
fathom bramble
yeah but it's like the same idea
just more concrete on first pull
and more vibes later
vivid vessel
well ye i guess
but i think its quite different when adr is 1min 30 away
and you have to eye ball it
know what i mean
vivid vessel
in st i rarely risk
in aoe tho its quite easy to legit never press ss anyway so
im in the opinion tho that if your 3 free ld rolls of the first pull of the dungeon
are 2 buffs
you should ff the key
gaunt phoenix
fathom bramble
true
vivid vessel
legit wnana kill myself when that happens
fathom bramble
being just short of killing the 1st pack fast enough because your rogue lost a 50/50 3 times in a row is certainly something
vivid vessel
:D
clear tulip
rip im not in melee soak on paladins. muh uptime
vivid vessel
ask for a bench
clear tulip
^
gaunt phoenix
oh i need to post some shit about paladins and deft
gaunt phoenix
it's just deft is worth at 3+ now instead of 4+, because numbers
vivid vessel
i mean deft is worht at any target count
you mean deft is worth pressing on cd
at 3
gaunt phoenix
ye
vivid vessel
im wondering about prio tho
thats something i have been thinking alot in keys
if i should be using bf as a builder on like 2 or 3 target under certain circumstances
purely for prio
like last tier we had the rule were capping cps with bf was good
next shuttle
Should I be avoiding groups with aug evokers in keys?
fervent gate
KIR on 2 feels bad asf, on m+ I feel being greedy is better since you get more resets
vivid vessel
Should I be avoiding groups with aug evokers in keys?
i dont think it matters as much now
next shuttle
Ok, thanks Zac
glass mortar
aug is fine
i asked the aug simmerman sael
as long as u scale fine with primary its good for u
which is like every1 so
fathom bramble
well because of how primary works everyone scales the same with primary
glass mortar
ye
fathom bramble
except void DH because they have slightly more primary than a normal spec
so they in a sense scale less with additional primary
glass mortar
i mean u could have a fake spec like outlaw with 25-30% of its dps coming from direct damage effects some seasons in the past
thats a spec that would have noticably weaker primary stat
fathom bramble
yeah true
runic gulch
KIR on 2 feels bad asf, on m+ I feel being greedy is better since you get more r...
Yeah I’m extremely greedy with it, perhaps too greedy, I’ll actually often go for the LD reroll on a double trouble early without KiR even being ready as a buffer
bright lodge
Is it common to run out of energy with 2rolls on m+ bosses? I don’t understand why is it happening, feels 50/50 on st, and 80/20 on 2-3 targets
runic gulch
Is it common to run out of energy with 2rolls on m+ bosses? I don’t understand ...
What’s your haste?
gaunt phoenix
it is cuz deft
fathom bramble
you can often go into M+ bosses without any teas
any kind of bad luck or poor play on ST with no teas to fallback on can brick your energy
gaunt phoenix
sometimes you can try not to have tea proc at the end of pack before boss
fathom bramble
it gets less serious with higher haste though
luckily up here at 25% it feels a lot better most of the time
vivid vessel
idk
bosses are long in high m+
i dont think i did a 2 target boss
where i dont end up at some point
legit dropping bf
fathom bramble
oh yeah 2 target bosses are a completely different story
keen belfry
Zac I found a tank that may cater to my 2-4 target ban for pulls
I told him I’m getting by ass fucked if we do 3 target pulls
He didn’t want that to happen to me
vivid vessel
no ass fucking !
oh i need to make the rtb weak uara
so i never reroll a good buff again
fathom bramble
also I had the bug happen to a non-kir RTB buff last night
idk if you've ever seen that before
but it was always on kired ones for me until that one time
keen belfry
My palmed bullets went away today
And it wasn’t the bug
But I still had the buff in top right
keen belfry
Tf
vivid vessel
weak aura fixing blizzard ui since 1980
craggy barn
bug18!!!
craggy barn
bug18!!
indigo token
<@177964030474977281>
BUG 18 🗣️ 🔥 🔥
keen belfry
mental lantern
just spent last 2 weeks learning outlaw... crafted a shit dagger today and first timed sin with no understanding and did more damage in the key than do on outlaw... Sadge
long barn
@vivid vessel you around
long barn
You using Bf on CD in keys minus ST
When I do I’m like stupid starved on energy. Is there a sweet spot?
vivid vessel
i dont use it on cd unless im at 4/5 target really
like on 2 target bosses
im certainly not using it on cd
im just maintaining it
long barn
Like if you get a one, are you trying to not use BF as much to get CPs out
vivid vessel
so i dont need to
long barn
lol
vivid vessel
i honestly have no clue what is the builder rules with 1 roll
but i just dont get 1 rolls
long barn
You get my drift tho? Like
long barn
In all seriousness that’s not possible right?
vivid vessel
what is
long barn
To only roll when you have the loaded buff
vivid vessel
kinda is
long barn
Which in theory would always give you 2
For real?
I guess I mean
You would RtB downtime no?
vivid vessel
here are the keys i did today
i died in this one so doesnt count
i died twice in this one so also fake
long barn
Hmmm
vivid vessel
idk
just works out when you play well really
you get more uptime on adr
more cdr
and you are able to kinda chain rtbs perma
long barn
What’s your haste buffed
vivid vessel
cause i have 2% more haste than you?
no why would i
our cds arent reduced by haste
our gcd isnt reduce by haste and only during adr it is
and 2% more haste in adr is nothing
maybe i get one more gcd per adr !
holy shmokerino
long barn
Ok I mean, more energy > spells > CPs > finishers > more ADRs
vivid vessel
well 2% is irrelevant
long barn
Yeah yea
long barn
Ok well then what’s your RtB uptime? Are you keeping it 100%?
vivid vessel
ye of course
sometimes i will prefer losing rtb for 2 quick finishers over rolling without loaded tho
but thats like whatever
long barn
Are you rolling without loaded?
long barn
I think I’m using too much energy on Bfs
So I’m losing ability to build finishers and get more ADRs
vivid vessel
Well bf is by far your best builder at 5 target, energy and cp economy wise
You do play deft in keys right
long barn
Yea I’m talking like 3ish
Yea
Oh are you popping prep like to get it back on cd and chain ADR
vivid vessel
Don't be at 3 target
long barn
Or using it to like help adr help RtB?
vivid vessel
Oh are you popping prep like to get it back on cd and chain ADR
Yes
Just chain adr
Put every on cd
Click button
long barn
Thanks
Do you think there is any tech holding KiR if you roll a 2, and your ADR would be up before the 2 RtB is expiring?
Does that make sense
long barn
I’ve been trying to feel that out but I’m wondering if it’s been causing me to get more 1 rolls
hardy token
Do you think there is any tech holding KiR if you roll a 2, and your ADR would b...
FAQ mentions that, under optimizations 
rare halo
Good morning guys, i have one question for Outlaw, normally other people said haste need to be about 25%, but simc said now 28% for me, what is the true?
somber fractal
clanker knows best
frail veldt
Good morning guys, i have one question for Outlaw, normally other people said ha...
28% seems unlikely, can you link your sim
fluid meadow
talent issue maybe
frail veldt
yeah are you playing trickster?
gaunt phoenix
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nfiBYKThjRahphWDs7zNjz
this is 23% haste
rare halo
ah i missed simc shows i should which flask thanks i solved it
austere hawk
i think i just had 7 reloads in a row
weary goblet
they flagged you for tempering with the Dice and blacklisted you
hardy wigeon
harsh forge
This means rogue is truly over, reroll to unholy
we have to reroll boomkin
i give it like two patches and they’ll give boomkin tricks
light kernel
would this be insane trinket for us if it was agility also
river wing
yea p sure it's bis for str guys, so it could be very good for us
river wing
but that's how it turned out to be yep
reef forge
do we want 25%-ish haste just from gear/flasks alone?
zinc briar
junior folio
noo it should have been an answer to the 7 jackpots in a row 🤣
Men of culture
daring oxide
tropic zephyr
why is there nobody playing umbral plume?
isn't is supposed to be bis?
cba simming just noticed that nobody has it on murlok.io and archon
sonic pawn
you gotta get the trinket first 😄
blissful idol
can gilded stashes exceed mythic cap?
sonic pawn
no
blissful idol
gg
inland acorn
do we want 25%-ish haste just from gear/flasks alone?
!stats
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.
- You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
- Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
- You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.
still matrix
why is there nobody playing umbral plume?
I have it on hc now
Does what it's supposed to
vapid salmon
is a 0.3% increase in sim realiable or is it irrelevant anyway? :\
gaunt granite
Hey, do an aug is a good idea with an outlaw ?
(I'm a new outlaw please don't trash me if it's a really dumb question)
signal anvil
Hey when BTE lights up do you send it right away for %dmg proc or do you go like 5 cps minimum before sending it ?
river wing
BtE at 6+
bright lodge
i died twice in this one so also fake
Why are you rerolling 3 and 4?
gaunt phoenix
He's not
tiny maple
why is there nobody playing umbral plume?
I got it. It's a cool design. Having the crit bonus at the start of pulls is nice.
old gull
aight so i need a 13 seat, 13 nexus and a 12 maisara to finish 3k... those are all resonabl yea?
or do 13 nxus and 12 mai?
old gull
ty for input my boy, im kinda checked out this season so wanna get this done
daring venture
hi boys, what do u guys think about the preparation talent ? I feel like it's omega broken but only few rogues are playing it and seems to take full advantage of it
novel isle
I dont like maisara so I would do nexus
Dont know anyone who like maisara
Bosses suck, trash sucks, long dung, open so theres tons of random routes
blissful idol
i assume this stays perma on crit for outlaw?
pure folio
Dont know anyone who like maisara
It’s my favorite dungeon
novel isle
How 🤣
pure folio
Fun routes! Very easy dungeon too. Doesn’t feel unfair, hardly any unavoidable rot damage
near rock
i assume this stays perma on crit for outlaw?
yep
carmine mountain
i assume this stays perma on crit for outlaw?
Why would you ever want Radiant Plume with its disgusting mastery 😛
tame flower
Oh i see so we want to stop stacking haste till 23% im using a haste flask and hitting 25% so i guess ill start using crit flask soon interesti g
elder sonnet
why does gaze sim significantly higher than umbral for me
jolly geyser
trinket good
formal thunder
hi boys, what do u guys think about the preparation talent ? I feel like it's om...
it feels like a bad button to press due to being on gcd, not doing anything else but reset your cooldowns and cds often aligning weird that it feels like you're wasting half of its effect. But, I think it's still worth it, since it helps with keeping all the plates spinning
sullen walrus
keen belfry
Sim
river wing
sim but I expect gaze to win out
jolly geyser
eternal hound
https://www.wowhead.com/news/void-tier-2-armor-appearances-are-randomized-vendor...
Yeah I think blizz is obviously high for this
indigo token
Yeah I think blizz is obviously high for this
at a certain point
cant they just get it right the first time
I know thats kind of an unreasonable ask
but I feel like this same scenario has happened like 5 times before
eternal hound
Na dude this isn't an unreasonable ask
I mean
In terms of "blizz make bad system. People say it's a bad system. Blizzard listen and change it" yes
Yes it has
river wing
istfg
it's like they have this one designer who butts in with the stupidest ideas possible, but somehow never gets told "no, fuck off"
fading schooner
!stealthbugs
ornate heathBOT
- Breaking
Vanish with a trinket will not grant 
Subterfuge. Recasting(fixed as of 11.1)
Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you 
UHUH or 
Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires.- Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
- After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr
tiny maple
https://www.wowhead.com/news/void-tier-2-armor-appearances-are-randomized-vendor...
What stupid intern thought of that
arctic hollow
What stupid intern thought of that
Intern ? Those have "corporate executive wouldnt let us out of the meeting until we gave him a randomised time sink mechanic"
Mobile game like bullshit is always pushed by the upper management, not by the devs
patent totem
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
tiny maple
Intern ? Those have "corporate executive wouldnt let us out of the meeting until...
Fair
vivid vessel
@mighty pivot you there cuh ..
mighty pivot
what is it buddy 
hybrid mesa
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use
Adrenaline Rush to activate 
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it. - Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
vivid vessel
what is it buddy <:Smilers:692484356652007434>
wait maybe i find solution myself let me search ..
stop trying to spoil me everything ..
vivid vessel
fuck you!
how illegal is it to create frames and not have names on them
im in a bit of a pickle ninja guy
timeline reminder is not an open source addon
so unless i go back to modifying the code everytime i update the addon its a bit annoying to do modifications
but the guy create frames without naming them so i cant look into them to change stuffs
idk what to do !
river wing
LMAO
got an Alnseer from weekly
vivid vessel
wtf is an alnseer
river wing
Chimaerus trink
craggy barn
gaze
river wing
would probably have preferred feather but honestly I can get one from guild, I'm way below in GP than most people
mighty pivot
how illegal is it to create frames and not have names on them
it's pretty common tbh. If you don't need a name which is most cases, you just skip it
vivid vessel
i see
i dont like that
also then you cant see what the frame is in fstack
so idk
mighty pivot
so unless i go back to modifying the code everytime i update the addon its a bit...
that's why I don't update addons I tweak unless something is really broken 
even creating a diff file to git apply every time isn't foolproof
vivid vessel
seems like bad practice to me
mighty pivot
they do it to keep nosy outlaw rogues away
vivid vessel
that's why I don't update addons I tweak unless something is really broken <:Oka...
ye well timleine reminder is an addon you need to update regularly since it needs to be kept up to date for encounters etc
so
mighty pivot
just kill everything with no addons. That was ion's goal!
vivid vessel
it was better when it was all weak aura
now its all the same
except you cant customize anything
cause its bunch of random addons
mighty pivot
now it's worse because every week they break something new
mighty pivot
bozo auras if it's anything like cdm or their damage meter
vivid vessel
Maybe eventually we get BA (Blizz Auras) <:COPIUM:848757417156149248>
omegalul
they cant even have a cdm that isnt dogshit
and it took them 1 year to do that
and its actual turbo dog
random addon devs do better in one night
idk
shameless
weary goblet
and it took them 1 year to do that
to be fair, i am not convinced they've put more resources than addon devs do
vivid vessel
@mighty pivot how does updating addon works btw, if i add a file in the folder would it get deleted
vivid vessel
to be fair, i am not convinced they've put more resources than addon devs do
addon devs dont get paid so
:D
weary goblet
resource means time too
vivid vessel
ok and im telling you an addon dev can do the cdm but better in one night
not an exageration also
im sure they worked more than one night on their cdm
hasty warren
Hi pirates
mighty pivot
<@205708819458818049> how does updating addon works btw, if i add a file in the ...
that depends on your updater? Like if you just manually update and extract the file it will obviously not delete something. Maybe some updaters clear the folders before installing a new version since you can get issues in some cases otherwise
but who knows if the updater is careful enough to only remove old addon files only
vivid vessel
ye i guess i will ahvae to try
mighty pivot
just backup your file and test tbh
vivid vessel
im thinking maybe i just add a file to the addon folder so i can externalize whatever i want
then worse thing i need to readd it to the toc everytime
its not that bad
gaunt palm
Anybody know if u can hook over platforms on crown p3 or is sprint jump enough?
vivid vessel
hook
gaunt palm
rlly its leap-able?
vivid vessel
y
gaunt palm
outlaw fight gg
tight kernel
im doing a key with <@148748632580030464> and hes playing aug
Wasnt that fun
keen belfry
im almost out of aug keys for the season
desert tendon
Awaug
ember fractal
guys can i use more than 2 crafted items ?
hardy thicket
Yes. You cant use more than two embellished crafted items though.
But other than that knock yourself out. You can have full crafted gear by end of season
ember fractal
i mean ihave now 2 embellished and want to craft another one without emb
ok thanks
hardy thicket
Ye u can
restive mango
subtle dome
Is he trying to say Outlaw dps is op?
eternal hound
proven ocean
@gaunt phoenix this you?
oh why is it a video
hope it doesnt say anyhting bad got sounds off
halcyon garden
https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-meow-meowstars-C7grnU4M3o5on6ALso
meow
gleaming reef
I managed to make a blade flurry m33kaura that does nameplate / range count so it tells you when to press blade flurry if it's not up or viable to recast at 4 targets or more.
oh well at least i managed to make visual and audio cue for roll the bones X seconds before it falls so I remember to roll
I think it works if anyone else is help me to test it out
cinder relic
Ret is one of the 2-3 good melee dps
craggy barn
dont ret have like omega funnel execute
quaint mauve
cuck chair vibes
cheerleader maxxing
glass mortar
ur just there to provide ur utility 🥰
neither of those specs can dump their whole resource bar to stun a guy for 9s 
they wish they were as useful as u
cinder relic
dont ret have like omega funnel execute
They do have funnel rn
Idk if it's omega execute funnel tho
dawn rampart
guys if i want to play sub and outlaw, which weapon should i craft?
patent mirage
cinder relic
Wait until you see how much better they get in 12.0.5 
craggy barn
i thought their execution sentence was like their funnel
ah i mis understood that spell lol
hollow temple
guys if i want to play sub and outlaw, which weapon should i craft?
Kinda have to pick what spec you want to craft a main hand for
Offhand is a really small upgrade
cinder relic
i thought their execution sentence was like their funnel
It js
harsh quartz
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/orsyn
If anyone wants to help me figure out how I can improve then awesome.. If you just want to be a butthole then also have fun lol I probabky deserve it
dawn rampart
Is killing spree that bad? why dont we use it?
cinder relic
It doesn't do a lot of damage
The main reason to go it is to trigger trickster passives
And because we don't go trickster we don't use it
vivid vessel
@keen belfry people learned to play i just get gapped every dungeon now
im glad they nerfed bf to keep outlaw in check
keen belfry
It’s starting
vivid vessel
:D
all good tho
all good
bf had to get nerfed
spec too good
im glad they buffed assa tho
spec that does infinite more damage than outlaw
deserved a buff
would like to understand how the tuning works
in this game
cause i dont get it
keen belfry
<@177964030474977281> people learned to play i just get gapped every dungeon now
Was this mt
vivid vessel
yes
keen belfry
glass mortar
zac have u considered
keen belfry
Same key 19
glass mortar
that the feral and the warrior in ur party are also just adding like 10% raw damage to the group
keen belfry
I can’t keep up
glass mortar
in addition to dogging u on the meters
vivid vessel
that the feral and the warrior in ur party are also just adding like 10% raw dam...
ye i have
glass mortar
🥰
vivid vessel
:D
glass mortar
best i can do is nerf Bf another 10%
vivid vessel
- they bring more utility
glass mortar
maybe lil ST bump?
vivid vessel
idk
glass mortar
🙂
glass mortar
and 9s kidney!
west ridge
we have gouge
glass mortar
feral cant do that
i think we r being a little unreasonable anyway
clearly the rogue dev just does math better then all the other devs
we are perfectly tuned and all those other bozos r op
which is why when they were as bad or close to as bad as us they got buffed by far more
their guys just dont know how to do math
🥰
west ridge
their guys just dont know how to do math
MATH
desert tendon
There are Just random chatgpt written code lines
west ridge
hard capped spec btw
glass mortar
see how bad the math is on all those specs above us??
our dev needs to share their calculator
desert tendon
They would weran
glass mortar
dw we'll get another 5% buff to all damage (8% nerf to BF cleave)
desert tendon
If there were devs in first place
glass mortar
cant let outlaw be unreasonable
glass mortar
if outlaws aoe had gotten buffed by any of this tuning the game would simply be broken
just saying
desert tendon
Outlaw is perfect
glass mortar
awang and zac r just silly
desert tendon
Others are just overtuned
In my wow back in the day yiu either did cc or dps. Which is still part of rogue
Frfr
river wing
outlaw is what content is actually tuned around, all those classes up there are just overpowered and poorly designed, but since Blizz is very busy, they won't be doing anything about it
desert tendon
It s like real life
You need super poor people to make super rich people
Outlaw is Just that super poor
Everything is balanced, as everything should be
indigo token
We're the abuse goblin
burnt grail
Do we just switch to sub and press 2 buttons instead?
magic shuttle
Go play pvp where the spec is top tier this season
formal thunder
I tried sub, but without any mastery on my gear, I did fuck all damage 
hollow temple
Go play pvp where the spec is top tier this season
Ahem
Surely you mean outlaw right
magic shuttle
Ye
hollow temple
magic shuttle
It's good on ladder but outlaw turned out to be the sleeper spec in awc
Although this feels like it's not the first time this happens
magic shuttle
Fair enough, doesn't stop ppl complaining about sub anyway
hollow temple
Tru
dark niche
hi guys, brand new player to wow and first time buying an expansion pack. Playing midnight and trying out rogue outlaw, any guides or assistance that would help?
cinder relic
Wowhead
junior folio
Check you the guides on wowhead to get your hands filthy
cinder relic
The faq within the discord
junior folio
This green names fella is responsible for teaching fellow pirates
somber plank
I feel like synergy matters way more this season than the last one. If you can't get the right combo, you're basically trash
cinder relic
What do you mean
cinder relic
It felt p big last seasons no?
quaint mauve
yeah they’ve always mattered imo
i didn’t like playing without monk warr last season
glass mortar
its always made a big difference idk if its bigger this expac then last
daring yoke
No class tuning in the coming reset?
vivid vessel
outlaw aint getting buffed cuh
its only the worse rogue spec
its not the worse spec in the game
so it wont get buffed
maybe they buff assa a bit more tho
cinder relic
It'll get buffed
nova sinew
final pagoda
👀
nova sinew
d*ath knight mogged to oblivion by the law
final pagoda
How many filters you had to use to get that order
vivid vessel
none lol
vivid vessel
the first 4 bosses are just pad
and you onlyt have data for the first 4 bosses
so
nova sinew
its ok outlaw is just unplayable on 2/3 hardest bosses
vivid vessel
i mean this happens every season
was the same in s3 tww
outlaw was the highest spec on wcl earlty mythic prog
because of course outlaw just can pad for free on the early bosses
nova sinew
at least sub was fun for manaforge prog
vivid vessel
and then its not played on the hard bosses
so the data isnt brought down
happens every tier its quite funny
nova sinew
i dont think outlaw is a non option on lura
vivid vessel
i dont think outlaw is a non option on lura
ok but its the worse of the 3 spec
and last phase is damage amp
hidden phase
nova sinew
is it amp?
vivid vessel
ye
nova sinew
i thought he just took damage by himself
vivid vessel
yes but also damage ampo
nova sinew
but its for the whole phase right
vivid vessel
and i heard sub was good cause of cd timings on last pohase
nova sinew
like 1 minute or so
nova sinew
i mean no rogue spec can do anything with a damage amp
but yes for sure nice for sub
and sin could be good if the execute lines up with lust of course
vivid vessel
it doesnt
final pagoda
Outlaw should be the hardest spec in the game, but also if played perfectly should be one the highest DPS. If played poorly should be <50th percentile among specs. It should excel in 3-8 target cleave. That's it
nova sinew
it doesnt
im talking about guilds progging later
when they overgear
and stack raid buff
nova sinew
🙈
vivid vessel
they were quite ahead indeed !
prolly more than 280 real ilvl also
they didnt have enough crests
but they basically had every good slots max ilvl
nova sinew
you know what i mean though, maybe hp nerfed and whatever raid buff thing they do
when kill timers get short im saying
then that extra sub cd isnt really a factor anymore
nova sinew
im just saying lura is much better to outlaw than alleria or belo, like not trolling level of bad
also outlaw gets 3rd prep for the amp
vivid vessel
im just saying lura is much better to outlaw than alleria or belo, like not trol...
sure
or is it
sub helps a lot on add pops in p1
then you still have some downtime wiht stun
but i mean it doesnt last as long so its not as bad
vivid vessel
no you get stunned
nova sinew
oh the intermission
vivid vessel
and go up in the air
nova sinew
thought you meant cc adds yeah
vivid vessel
between each intermission
no ye the adds dont imune the boss
i think they do in hc ?
idk weird no
nova sinew
yeah theres that, but not at all comparable to alleria
vivid vessel
sure
i do wonder waht makes assa better on boss damage in hc
i havent done the boss yet
but
idk
merry harness
Is it just me or should the droprate on the cata charges be increased by quite alot?
vivid vessel
i guess outlaw and assa should kinda do the same st rn
vivid vessel
Is it just me or should the droprate on the cata charges be increased by quite a...
really?
idk i feel like maybe they decreased the chance actually
the first week i dropped a shit ton
west ridge
how much you cataing?
vivid vessel
now i havent dropped in a while now that i think about it
but i have a ton in bag so
actually maybe im not dropping cause im capped
let me check
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble you done lura hc or ?
vivid vessel
no
its not worth for guilds like us
to do it
hc splits were last week
lura doesnt give anything
so you just dont do it
i will prolly never do it lol idk
first kill will be mythic
fathom bramble
<@101843879791177728> you done lura hc or ?
Yeah
We do heroic on an ‘optional’ offnight
So it never takes away from the 2 mythic days
vivid vessel
i see
fathom bramble
No matter what we choose to do on that day
merry harness
Lura is also just a very hard HC boss
vivid vessel
ye so you can clear everyting
merry harness
compared to other seasons
west ridge
ahhh the "optional" off night
vivid vessel
make no sense for a guild like us to do it
no actually ithink we did beloren hc
i dont remember
fathom bramble
I mean belo trinket is quite good
merry harness
No but beloren you can just insta pug clear if you want
fathom bramble
surely it's worth to just walk in and kill it rq
vivid vessel
ye we might have done it for trinket
i think we just one banged it so fast i dont rmemeber
anyway
lura lok
thoughts on outlaw
vivid vessel
in theory im kinda thinking outlaw has the best st of the 3 specs rn but idk
logs show assa doing a bit more
west ridge
well
fathom bramble
well assa is probably easier to hit your numbers on
fathom bramble
quite significantly so
vivid vessel
for outlaw
tea
or whatever how long that fight is
and idk about the damage amp phase
in mythic
west ridge
i mean assa in execute is quite good is it not?
vivid vessel
i havent looked at how it line up with cds yet
vivid vessel
i mean assa in execute is quite good is it not?
execute doesnt matter on lura
west ridge
im asusming the logs are getting 2 mins in the execute
fathom bramble
I just can't check the damage amp %
I mean it's kind of a hype thing during the race or whatever
vivid vessel
yeey
fathom bramble
but it holds no value beyond that
vivid vessel
should update the thing after
fathom bramble
and should at least get put in the journal on first death
vivid vessel
prolly
west ridge
should just release after the race is over
vivid vessel
but idk if the amount of the damage amp is so important
its mostly
how the cd lines up during it
do you get 1 cd or 2
do you have to hold cds in p3 to get in p4
thats what matters
the ammount of the amp is kinda irrelevant we can just assume its good
then its just a matter of, does sub get 2 uses of cd in p4 while not holding in p3
and maybe assa on the contrary only get 1 use
which makes sub better or smt h
and then would outlaw compete against sub 2 cds
but also is damage in p4 relevant
or should you just look at first phase of fight damage
since thats the real dps check
!who knows
fathom bramble
you need to do some dps in the last phase for the boss to die
fathom bramble
the crystals do most of it, but you still need to do some x amount of damage
vivid vessel
we will have more gear and prolly nerfs once world 4th guild get to it
fathom bramble
yeah it might not matter much especially with more gear
west ridge
secret phase only lasts about a min
vivid vessel
nvm chineses got world 4th first
west ridge
well should only last about a min
vivid vessel
is the fight 24min lol
fathom bramble
no
west ridge
nah
fathom bramble
it's like 9
vivid vessel
nvm lot of yap
west ridge
thats just max yapping
fathom bramble
well timing would be different depending on how fast you are in the other phases
fathom bramble
but yeah 100 energy she kills you in p5
vivid vessel
she start casting that at 100 so
i assume its this
so ye
9:54 would be their hard enrage here
and it starts at 8:43
also fuck there is a lot of downtime before it
8s stun
and boss is imune since 8:25
20s downtime
ok i guess its not that that bad
seen worse
vivid vessel
- you can hit until the 8s stun
fathom bramble
assuming similar timing
fathom bramble
logs show assa doing a bit more
I think a law build and playstyle actually focused on ST would just win out
outlaw is 100% more likely to leave for adds and tank their boss dps
while a sin rogue just sits there hitting the bos
fathom bramble
so all the log data is skewed in that direction
I meant in general
on lura idk
10% of all outlaw logs are at or near 0 dps from people buying a carry or something
I think when you look at like the top 25 all rogues instead of the aggregate it shows outlaw can be as good or better if played/geared properly
vivid vessel
tye i mean outlaw is here
its not
terrible i guess
but idk
im a bit warry of outlaw logs this season
i feel like you can so easely just high roll
feels weird
fathom bramble
and it's even more volatile from the low pop so
I mean outlaw really should be able to compete on a fight like this
if played well
cinder relic
also the sampling bias thing I mention a lot yk
dawn rampart
hello guys how can i be bette rthan tomaselvs?
vivid vessel
gaunt phoenix
you become tompelvis
pearl topaz
well you must avoid any gerard depardieu movies
craggy barn
tompelvis is goated
normal violet
Is outlaw easier than last expac
vivid vessel
yes
gaunt phoenix
considerably
normal violet
Ok so there's hope for me
Ty
frail veldt
is there a lot of value to taking myth wep from vault if ive already got 2x crafted weps
frail veldt
but thats without simming a second embel
vivid vessel
must be piss stats right
frail veldt
cuz im lazy