it is worth tho, the ilvl is so low
#outlaw
karmic gust
keen belfry
bundler
karmic gust
had it for two weeks before i could get myth crests
vivid vessel
bundler
i mean sure but you need to test your changes locally when you work on an addon
you cant build your addon everytime you wanna test something
harsh quartz
I'm struggling to keep up with people of a similiar ilvl.. I know our class is under powered but I just feel like something is off and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong lol
mighty pivot
as long as they are on gitignore it makes little difference whether the libs are physically there or symlinked tbh
karmic gust
I'm struggling to keep up with people of a similiar ilvl.. I know our class is u...
i feel like AR / BF / RTB uptime is the biggest point
karmic gust
I'm struggling to keep up with people of a similiar ilvl.. I know our class is u...
i can out dps other classes at same ilvl now
vivid vessel
there is a gitignore in the weak aura repo tho so its fine
but other addons dont neccesseraly have one
so idk
harsh quartz
i feel like AR / BF / RTB uptime is the biggest point
like how do you improve those uptimes other than hitting them on cooldown lol
karmic gust
like how do you improve those uptimes other than hitting them on cooldown lol
if you have a proper rotation they come back off cd faster other than that idk lmao
keen belfry
i found it really annoying keeping an addon with your changes local while maintaining it on a repo and posting to curseforge
i symlinked too
mighty pivot
bigwigs also has libs in gitignore. I think that's the common way to do it but at the end of the day you do whatever works best for you 
vivid vessel
ok i see
no i mean
thats how i would do it
but one of the addon i wanted
didnt have a gitignore
so idk i wondered
mighty pivot
flame them
vivid vessel
ye maybe i should
mighty pivot
was it wangbar
karmic gust
remove gitignore and push --force all commits 
keen belfry
--no-verify
mighty pivot
use svn like in the ancient times
vivid vessel
Is wangbar on GitHub wang
vivid vessel
use svn like in the ancient times
I'm still mad I learned all these things with SVN instead of github
vivid vessel
When I went to dev school they had a local svn
keen belfry
still works tho!
vivid vessel
Tho idk the reason was that everything was internal so it was super fast
mighty pivot
svn is still used in some companies because it's hard to switch if they have tooling built for svn. So it's not 100% useless (if you get unlucky)
keen belfry
what is svn
vivid vessel
Idk if you can have local git or whatever if that's possible
vivid vessel
what is svn
Idk
keen belfry
ty
karmic gust
never heard of it lmao
vivid vessel
It's like git but old and annoying
karmic gust
git but old
mighty pivot
what is svn
software control software like git
karmic gust
ts was here during pyramids
vivid vessel
Idk if I was bad at using it cause it was our first time using tools like these
Or if SVN is just bad
karmic gust
git gained that much popularity because alternatives were horrendous to use
mighty pivot
I don't like svn but tbh if you are working solo on something then it probably makes little difference what you use
vivid vessel
We used SVN for group project aswell
Idk it was bad but maybe it's cause we were bad
Prolly
normal quail
@gaunt phoenix so best way is likely just use on cd
gaunt phoenix
ye
wooden pilot
We used SVN for group project aswell
svn has some pros but mostly git just better in every way, and jj better than git
frail veldt
We used SVN for group project aswell
Looool yeah I used this in my first job after under grad
So awful
It was the government so not surprised
Prob did it for security reasons or something
sullen walrus
Chimaerus st or aoe build?
clear tulip
aoe
grim spear
I actually feel like st might be slightly better for prog
grim spear
Those minions adds basically don’t have any kill pressure at all.
vivid vessel
cause kicks
vivid vessel
but then it means aoe is better
if there was only one kick add sure
but you need to kill 2 kick adds + one big add
or i mean i guess you can ignore big add but you still need to kill 2 kick adds before next set
grim spear
no big difference
vivid vessel
but also outlaw only loses 5% st
going aoe build
so idk
@gaunt phoenix
have you noticed
bf has the same scaling as split damage trinkets now
30% per target
kinda pog oer
we are a split trinket spec
gaunt phoenix
frail veldt
Hahaha
vivid vessel
thats why we dont do damage guys
thorny zinc
all they gotta do is let us attach to other specs and we are yuumi
vivid vessel
these splits trinkets are always garbage no cap !
jolly geyser
got hc alleria trinket from weekly quest, neat
cinder relic
Winner
indigo token
Im already dreading the launch of TLT
sullen walrus
help boys! first boss in voidspire, can we use aoe build?
heavy shadow
Generally, do we go cleave for any boss with adds? ie. Chaimaerus I assume a definite yes?
Thinking of the bosses this raid tier, I guess there are only a few really ST fights
Was interested too if there are slight variations depending if it's a pure cleave (Vanguard) or one with intermitant adds (Chimaerus)
heavy shadow
help boys! first boss in voidspire, can we use aoe build?
Quite similar to my question, I would say yes with the adds that spawn makes it worthwhile, but interested if any of the pros bite
keen belfry
help boys! first boss in voidspire, can we use aoe build?
always check wclogs
heavy shadow
You know I tried this recently but honestly I couldn't work out how to see it
heavy shadow
Is there a way to see the talents spread out visually in the tree and not the list?
clear tulip
Is there a way to see the talents spread out visually in the tree and not the li...
click show more
or the little arrow beside the rogue's name
tiny maple
I wonder if trickster will get some buffs this coming week. I think blizz said hero talents were next for tuning
keen belfry
please no
tiny maple
Why not
vivid vessel
please no
primal wadi
hi quick question, why are we using a dagger in the offhand instead of a sword/axe/fist/mace?
keen belfry
Why not
u play trickster, u generate less combo points, u have less energy, u have to play killing spree, u have less prioo
fading igloo
Is there much of a reason why Archon says people go for GM/Dancing Steel on Salhadaar?
Felt like pretty much a ST fight with some tiny cleave on the orbs every now and then?
keen belfry
pressing killing spree during AR is a decent loss, you are better off holding killing spree for all of AR
tiny maple
u play trickster, u generate less combo points, u have less energy, u have to pl...
But why is there a problem of Trickster getting buffed. You can still play fatebound
Unless you think blizz would nerf fatebound
eternal hound
Bro
keen belfry
buffing a shit hero tree (gameplay wise) is nono in my head
eternal hound
Hero track belt with socket
tiny maple
buffing a shit hero tree (gameplay wise) is nono in my head
They can buff both tbh.
Not hurting anyone.
tiny maple
Fair
gaunt phoenix
they are buffing trickster in 12.0.5
keen belfry
ive been hurt
zenith egret
What are the reason that make Chimareus trinket not a bis ?
keen belfry
trickster would gain so much W if it was just interacting with BR instead
gaunt phoenix
tuning
eternal hound
What are the reason that make Chimareus trinket not a bis ?
It was nerfed
primal wadi
out of curiosity what makes fatebound a better hero talent? for me it seems as bland as trickster
gaunt phoenix
oh gaze is bis again
primal wadi
gameplaywise
gaunt phoenix
they kept fucking with it
jagged plover
well it doesn't make your gameplay worse so it's better 
primal wadi
fair enough
zenith egret
tuning
What should I think of sim that tell me it's above same ilvl trinket like the Alleria trinket ? Is it a combination problem ?
keen belfry
out of curiosity what makes fatebound a better hero talent? for me it seems as b...
more energy, more combo points, more prio damage, u dont lose a talent point for KS
gaunt phoenix
fatebound more procs, energy, cps
keen belfry
trickster just bad rn
gaunt phoenix
What should I think of sim that tell me it's above same ilvl trinket like the Al...
it is better
zenith egret
Oh so it's just that difference between that trio is not that big and we're fine with any duo of them ?
gaunt phoenix
ye
keen belfry
gaze is back to turbo bis?
zenith egret
Ok thank you solo !
gaunt phoenix
not turbo
tiny maple
they are buffing trickster in 12.0.5
Maybe I am misunderstanding what Blizz wrote. It doesn't really answer if it's this coming Tuesday or at 12.0.5.
agile orchid
Maybe I am misunderstanding what Blizz wrote. It doesn't really answer if it's t...
I will just assume the worst (12.0.5)
gaunt phoenix
Maybe I am misunderstanding what Blizz wrote. It doesn't really answer if it's t...
they already have 12.0.5 notes
mighty raptor
Im an assassination main eyeballing the outlaw rotations and whatnot. Would need to craft a sword but otherwise looking to try it for fun. Is there some sort of systemic issue besides tuning that is causing it to be generally less played in both keys and raid?
tiny maple
they already have 12.0.5 notes
Yeah but that's ongoing. They've already been reverting some stuff recently on 12.0.5. I'm wondering Hero Talents are next week is all from their post haha
obsidian light
hmm quick question guys, does latency play a big factor? im running at 80ms and idk if that affects outlaw that bad
agile orchid
Im an assassination main eyeballing the outlaw rotations and whatnot. Would need...
tuning and energy starvation
keen belfry
hmm quick question guys, does latency play a big factor? im running at 80ms and ...
nope
clear tulip
Im an assassination main eyeballing the outlaw rotations and whatnot. Would need...
if you have a crippling gambling addiction and need that itch scratched with roll the bones youre in the right place
gaunt phoenix
right now it's mostly tuning
but outlaw has always had an uphill battle in mythic prog
because it is a sustain spec with no st burst or aoe burst
on some fights this doesnt matter so its just tuning
cinder relic
and even when it is better, its barely better, so ppl dont botyher
buoyant cosmos
Drutile dropped out, is Loktark the new torch bearer?
clear tulip
I played it for prog since BFA but we're not some giga high ranked guild. It was a feelsbad in early prog but now with better gear for reclear and other bosses i might go back
clear tulip
Drutile dropped out, is Loktark the new torch bearer?
lok, ots, and zac are the usual law parses i'd look at
thorny wedge
What would be a good way to tell your relative performance to other rogues in mythic dungeons? I’m not sure if i’m performing well or if the other dps I play with are mediocre
vivid vessel
i dont play outlaw on prog
buoyant cosmos
lok, ots, and zac are the usual law parses i'd look at
Drutile and Lok never change
clear tulip
i dont play outlaw on prog
reclear tho
buoyant cosmos
What would be a good way to tell your relative performance to other rogues in my...
solo mentioned checking how many 1 buff rolls you have as something to look at
His "good parse" example only had 1
gaunt phoenix
but ye some keys you can go the entire key with only loaded dice rolls
you kinda do have to be doing everything right to achieve it
keen belfry
your tank can sometimes take a small break inbetween pulls too
thorny wedge
solo mentioned checking how many 1 buff rolls you have as something to look at
is there a way to track that?
keen belfry
i do
buoyant cosmos
is there a way to track that?
Warcraft logs
gaunt phoenix
you log your key
thorny wedge
ty ty
keen belfry
im the ping guy zac
buoyant cosmos
Could old details do that?
keen belfry
so many ppl think pinging is toxic
but ill ping for like lust or raid buff
or stack
and then get a ???
buoyant cosmos
and then get a ???
people looking at your ping like blues clues
what does all of this meaann
keen belfry
my self ping macro is bound
swear its op
but with the remoival of raid buff combat WA things people need to realize pings are the universal sign to pres your raid buff
buoyant cosmos
I was doing a pug raid and their healers kept saying they don't know who to dispel because it's not on their unit frames
Please just look at the game or DBM telling you who is getting the debuffs
keen belfry
i mean debuffs not on unit frames is cooked for a healer
buoyant cosmos
Stuff like the huge blue circle on chimerus is pretty obvious though
mystic berry
so many ppl think pinging is toxic
its only toxic when someone is pinging 10 times a second on an absolutely normal pull
like, nothing going on
but the guy keeps pinging
fiery viper
hello fellers, will be playing from EU soon for a little while. Do you guys think outlaw is manageable on ~140 ms? Would love to hear experiences on similar ping, maybe euros during beta or something
fiery viper
cool cool, thanks zac 🥖
frail veldt
its only toxic when someone is pinging 10 times a second on an absolutely normal...
What's funny is if you spam ping it blocks you
hard frost
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRq3Nn1ZvFwaXf1wQTr1RalpWbJTIhQp5xGwEyDTVWyuBWLP9_2rqqsxJSPQJLJAkIiKHy49pVfqEWu/pubhtml
there is a reason outlaw doesn't appear in dunjon slice catgory ?^_^
keen belfry
does skyfury affect energy in any noticeable way
surely it affects fatal flourish, but in any meaninful amount?
eternal hound
surely it affects fatal flourish, but in any meaninful amount?
No it does not
gaunt phoenix
its like 100 energy over 5 min
eternal hound
Also
keen belfry
its like 100 energy over 5 min
essentially nada
keen belfry
outlaw is cursed in pug seats
eternal hound
Yeah
It's actually terrible I might just go sub for it when I get home
But last key was also a brick cuz I fucking ass pulled and trolled the key
keen belfry
trio boss and on, the tank usually goes something like:
3 target, into 4 target, into 2 target, into 3 target, into normal 6 target, into 3 target into 2
in pugs
eternal hound
Bro
We're not even getting there
I just had back to back bricks in the first area
keen belfry
vanish and cloak the chain
eternal hound
...Vanish works?
keen belfry
mhm
eternal hound
Okay now I feel stupid
shadow trellis
keen belfry
you kinda cant run cheat death in keys
fossil mountain
Is outlaw good in m+ again yet I’m out of touch
keen belfry
its solid in a phys comp
vivid vessel
then u can live the subjugators if u vanish cloaak feint evasion
funny thing is you cant vanish or cloak in high keys these things
keen belfry
ah
vivid vessel
you die
vivid vessel
who even puts on the heal absorb
same mobs i think
keen belfry
ah so u save for this?
lucid sparrow
brother, i was getting cancer but still beat fmage and dlock
keen belfry
havent tried 19
fossil lintel
cant live it otherwise
Is that only removed with healing? Or is it dispellable?
keen belfry
@analog fog
vivid vessel
Is that only removed with healing? Or is it dispellable?
my healer isnt dispelling me so
i dont think it is dispellable
i think its some sort of channel anywya
long barn
in 19 i died with dbl feint evasion and vial
Wow. Thats gonna suck
eternal hound
Seat is just such a rough key
eternal hound
I think it's one of the hardest this season
long barn
People hate it when it was originally released too
vivid vessel
he melds
keen belfry
fyi marvin zac doesnt know anything this tier
he didnt know u can cloak the debuff on the 2nd boss magisters
fossil lintel
You can cloak that debuff?
keen belfry
guess its noob hour
vivid vessel
on the adds aswell
i mean look
its a fcuking glaive
how tf should i know its not some sort of physical debuff
fossil lintel
I assume you can cloak everything until proven wrong
proven ocean
fyi marvin zac doesnt know anything this tier
i mean zac is like that everytier tho hes a sim guy
keen belfry
didnt u do vault keys early in the season
keen belfry
dont u just test press cloak
keen belfry
i mpretty sure u can evasion the cat dot in windrunner too
but its hard cuz he jumps and u have meet him eye to eye
vivid vessel
sounds fake af
fossil lintel
Awang the pussy evader
keen belfry
i try to evade it
but it keeps coming for me
not my fault
aug meta is my least fav meta by far
takes up one dps spot and limits comps to cd specs
vivid vessel
aug is bad for the game because
it makes the good spec betters
so meta is even more relevant
this can never be fixed for keys
keen belfry
ye
vivid vessel
so we should have aug always be bad for keys
thats my take
if you disagree you are wrong and 0 iq
keen belfry
aug meta is really really bad for keys and lfg
vivid vessel
if you read this you are wrong
vivid vessel
yes
thorn plinth
is there log review for outlaw as there is for sub? I'm unbelievably bad on outlaw
thorn plinth
!log
eternal hound
i will observe
That is a concerning choice of words
fossil lintel
Yeah, it's not dispellable, but the healer seems to be able to get it off the evoker in about 4 seconds on that 20
First one was faster because he popped a health pot
vivid vessel
i mean it prolly depedns on healer and such idk
my healer is resto sham
and i died on this multiple times
he cannot heal it
fossil lintel
Yeah it's a 600k heal absorb
vivid vessel
he went to 400k hps to heal that
idk what this is here
but he prolly pressed a big cd
and that guy pressed health pot aswell
also he is under scales
and idk what this is
keen belfry
renwing blaze very good vs sometihng like that
i mean he basically cloaked it or vanished it
rogue equivalent
vivid vessel
while healer was doing 200k hps on him alone
keen belfry
how much does the subjugation do
fossil lintel
The circle?
keen belfry
cuz stack ye
vivid vessel
like with 4 melees comp for example
fossil lintel
Yeah
onyx crane
how much crit yall running? comparing logs and see many people crit 50% of their dispatch while mine crit 30% of the times
eternal hound
if you overlap
Do you just run out of melee and say fuck it if you have no cloak or vanish (or even meld)
stiff idol
is outlaw back on the menue ?
eternal hound
is outlaw back on the menue ?
No, but we play it anyways
oak bloom
i got a question guys the 40% crit cap it's flat (without trinket) or with trinket ?
vivid vessel
there is no crit cap
eternal hound
there is no crit cap
The crit cap is 100% technically
oak bloom
ok it's just to kwon for this "Crit will fall off as you approach 40%."
vivid vessel
i have no clue but why do this matter
thats why we have sims
cause even if you knew
why would that influentiate any of your decisions
novel isle
googles influentiate
eternal hound
Isn't 40% the rating diminishing return point?
Im p sure its 40 but
Sims win always
fossil lintel
Yeah
Just do whatever the sim says
Even without the artificial diminishing return, there's already diminishing returns due to basic math on stacking the same secondary, sim will be much better at figuring it out
oak bloom
why would that influentiate any of your decisions
got 37 crit flat and 21 haste flat just to change ench crit in haste
shy sandal
guys help please
shy sandal
that trinket not bis anymore right?
eternal hound
that trinket not bis anymore right?
Whats ur weap
shy sandal
crafted myth MH and a hero oh
shy sandal
yea ig that too
thanks
off maybe i shouldnt have taken an item before doing the emissary fk
sullen walrus
boys, 276 ilvl Solarflare trinket is worse than 263 crucible?
keen belfry
ye
u really only replacing that trinket with 276 plume and gaze
then myth trinks ofc
undone notch
What exactly was the fatebound tails buff yesterday?
muted crest
i feel like my damage in raid better
keen belfry
it should!
undone notch
Oh I found it
WTF lmao
Why exactly did Trickster get a nerf if Fatebound was better and got a buff anyways
keen belfry
cuz trickster cant see the sun
craggy barn
preemptive nerfing to keep bf tuning similar across hero specs in case trickster ever became the play for some reason in future seasons
barren plover
How is Omission for Outlaw? Have Mythic one in Vault.
craggy barn
depends on ur current gear
its probably not better than the full haste double socket ring from midnight
but rings and such are all dependent on ur current gear and stats anyways
fathom bramble
omission will likely always be bad for ST thanks to the mastery on it
maybe it could be good in aoe, but I kind of doubt it
barren plover
yea, i have crafted myth ring and purloined wedding ring which is haste/crit but only Champion ilvl. I will pick mythic set legs. Should be much safer choice.
craggy barn
ull get more mileage out of a myth main piece for sure
undone notch
What setup for the crucible of erratic energies are we using?
twilit topaz
What are people simming at?
river wing
What setup for the crucible of erratic energies are we using?
all three nodes closest to start
the rest is unimportant for damage
kind otter
!up
ornate heathBOT
fossil lintel
That sheet is actually wrong on the delve part
worldly shale
fossil lintel
Prot warrior
undone notch
How valuable is Cruc anyways?
I have Hero solar prism and Alnseer, idk how vulnerable it is
thorn parrot
Cruicible is friggen bonkers good at 263 and still beats out quite a bit hero trinkets
fossil lintel
It's basically a crit flask with 80% uptime
vivid vessel
are you playing with rtb as a buff that is always shown on the cdm
greyed out or whatever when not up
balmy topaz
Wdym
balmy topaz
vivid vessel
like with a placeholder buff
balmy topaz
Ye
vivid vessel
ye stop that
vivid vessel
:D
i know
not an addon bug also apparently it does that with default ui asewll
you can be sure they are never fixing that one
weak aura died for that
heavy shadow
are we able to do 100k dps to get into the Beloran groups?
how do PuGs base this, overall dps for fight or just the egg
heavy shadow
I did 50k dps fight and was kicked, and that was saving CDs for egg...
heavy shadow
100k is low?
vivid vessel
i do 90k keys st idk
100k seems fine on that time window with prep
but moresso
most specs under cds
are prolly double that so
buoyant ridge
question for the hivemind
are the wowhead builds still our "go to" or we using the ptr builds in the pinned ?
long barn
are we able to do 100k dps to get into the Beloran groups?
If you’re talking the cheese groups, it’s all about the burn phase while in egg mode. None of the other dps matters. You can literally take 5 min to get him to egg. Once in egg you need to blow it all. Kill him or wipe.
junior coral
so is there a new "M+ dungeon WA pack" where it calls out frontals and defensives and all that jazz like before or is that dead
next shuttle
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vivid vessel
so is there a new "M+ dungeon WA pack" where it calls out frontals and defensive...
not possible
buoyant cosmos
so is there a new "M+ dungeon WA pack" where it calls out frontals and defensive...
called eyes
buoyant ridge
**Rogue Spreadsheet - [Light Version](<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/...
ok, so the same, thanks
and single target and aoe are the same build too?
junior coral
i figured but i was watching some ones stream earlier randomly and it was doing a count down for tank busters like 3 2 1
so figured maybe there was some thing
i think i like it better this way tbh, thou sound ques are nice at times lol
to just shut off and vibe
heavy shadow
If you’re talking the cheese groups, it’s all about the burn phase while in egg ...
Yeah but they are all LF 100k+ dps, but how are they measuring it...
It's not possible to measure only egg part is it
oblique vortex
Yeah but they are all LF 100k+ dps, but how are they measuring it...
u can look at logs the timestamp
long barn
It's not possible to measure only egg part is it
It’s absolutely possible
And that’s how they are doing it
vivid vessel
long barn
Warcraftlogs should do it easy
oblique vortex
ye like that
craggy barn
yea 100k seems low lol
heavy shadow
Or should I say it's not easy for me to check using blizzard dmg meter if I'm doing it
vivid vessel
i mean idk
if you ahve adr ready and prep
its prolly very hard to do under 100k dps
in that time window
long barn
I fished RtB 3+, held KiR, Prep, ADR, DPS pot, and kept the GS buff like almost entire time with the prep reset.
I was doing like no dps prior to that. lol
long barn
lol
craggy barn
i fumbled my heroic egg this week and hit 119k
long barn
If anyone can you can Zac
oblique vortex
wasnt able to play today due to work 😄 so thats why i askd u
craggy barn
i can feel it
oblique vortex
obv na 😄
long barn
Hehe
long barn
I’ve been waiting for this to happen
craggy barn
also my logs are starting to be taken over my sin logs
long barn
Is it 18+?
craggy barn
its over guys
no i havent pushed htat high yet since im doing 2 separate raids and tanking one of them
red zinc
lezomb
formal thunder
is Warbanner simbait?
next wedge
I just think it’s so silly to have not let the buff be aoe too
It’s not like outlaw is doing crazy aoe
craggy barn
they have a sticky note for outlaw rogue that for whenever they do any damage buff to outlaw, they have to nerf bf to compensate
jagged plover
entering the danger zone of making a change that could actually shift viability
stay clear
glass mortar
the problem is if they buffed outlaws aoe also outlaw might actually start to have "strong" aoe, like aoe so strong it might even appear as good as the meta specs and impress people in keys
what you are looking for is something designers call a "strength" of a spec
outlaw isnt allowed to have any strengths
glass mortar
wouldnt surprise me if for someone at blizzard that checks a box for them
certainly doesnt check any boxes for me
craggy barn
meanwhile frost mage gets to claim that while also doing actual damage
glass mortar
yea kinda cool when u try out all the CD specs that devs have given 2 charges of their major cd so they can time them more flexibly
cant imagine tbh
jagged plover
and I guess they kinda got decoupled from uptime reliant with icy veins gone I assume
glass mortar
seems op outlaw would probably be broken if we ever got that
jagged plover
idk that for a fact tho
glass mortar
if ur looking for "extra" uptime reliance ur generally looking for passive cdr from doing the rotation or active maintenance of a buff by doing the rotation
stuff like extending IV yea
jagged plover
yea
glass mortar
if they dont have either of those things they r just a normal spec in terms of uptime
gleaming garnet
is there any outlaw key povs i can watch? seem to not find any
jolly geyser
zac streams them
jolly geyser
gleaming garnet
tyty
next wedge
Woxtox used to upload in tww idk about midnight tho
gleaming garnet
yea i rmbr him when i was watching banshers
im new to outlaw just picking it up as a side class to play
buoyant cosmos
Woxtox used to upload in tww idk about midnight tho
He's playing sub now iirc
glass mortar
personally i liked it better when he was zac__________________
craggy barn
zac is an outlaw purist so u never go wrong with zac
glass mortar
oh i cant even do the meme because of discord commands....
craggy barn
hes sin rn i think
jagged plover
craggy barn
zac is the only outlaw purist atm
jagged plover
my goat
buoyant cosmos
Loktark for raid at least
jagged plover
if zac stops playing outlaw blizzard can just delete the class
guarantee there's no one else left
gleaming garnet
outlaw is so cool idk why this class doesnt get more love
jagged plover
people still larp about combat being better
craggy barn
its so funny
jagged plover
and before that they larped about stealth not being part of the spec fantasy
on a fucking rogue spec
alright
jagged plover
regrettably
glass mortar
me when i lose access to half my cc, all of my healing and my 20s cd feign death for cheesing mechanics
craggy barn
BUT MY WORLD CONTENT
glass mortar
at least i have my spec fantasy now
craggy barn
CANT VANISH IN WORLD CONTENT
jagged plover
then there's also the people that hated rtb because it's gambling and complicated
glass mortar
the fantasy of the pirate cowboy man
craggy barn
rtb outside of the container buff was completely insanely easy last expac
glass mortar
u know i said it was funny that they even did the RtB rework
i dont mind it but it felt kinda wasted, like who is this for
all the people who always complained about RtB just hate its guts
no version of a spell with that name will ever be ok for them
quaint sable
If they remove cto isnt it the exact same?
jagged plover
pretty much
glass mortar
same forum posts as ever
jagged plover
even counting 1-4 is too much
gleaming garnet
which rogue spec is "hard" in midnight as of rn
craggy barn
literally if they just renamed it and it wasnt dice based but was still some random variable shit theyd love it
outlaw is the hardest spec still
fathom bramble
i dont mind it but it felt kinda wasted, like who is this for
I will simply never understand people that go on this long about a spec they don't even play and will never play
people be suggesting things to basically turn outlaw into a completely different spec
glass mortar
yea
fathom bramble
like just go play the spec you enjoy
jagged plover
outlaw always has a bunch of random minor optimisations that can make it quite a bit harder I feel like
fathom bramble
instead of trying to turn mine into yours
jagged plover
apl fiends in here
ashen void
naw sometimes they prio raging blow and other times they prio blood thirst it is completely different
glass mortar
nah we should go back to combat
ashen void
craggy barn
anytime its like
"this spec should be just like this spec from a completely different class" takes is kinda funny
glass mortar
that way this spec can be the same apm as sin is (the spec they all find too boring to play instead)
but at least itll have bandits guile or something 🥰
fathom bramble
I am convinced people literally don't miss combat rogue
they just miss having a big burst single use cooldown
no one ever has anything positive to say about combat
except "red buff KS so damage"
craggy barn
combat for a long time had so many awful anti-qol
jagged plover
they miss being a neet playing wow in their parents house without paying rent
glass mortar
yea rogue mostly
but it was certainly noticable as combat
i mean combat was just a more generic outlaw greatly simplified
like massively so
fathom bramble
like literally every part of combat rogue is something people would complain about massively on any rogue spec RN
fathom bramble
imagine revealing strike on any current rogue spec
glass mortar
xd
fathom bramble
I can't imagine that actually being fun to engage with
craggy barn
god
fathom bramble
cata or mists versions doesn't matter
glass mortar
^
fathom bramble
well yeah I had fun playing combat for years
craggy barn
modern wow combat is just BLEH
glass mortar
its just funny because it would just be such a massive leap back for everything outlaw is
fathom bramble
and the moment legion hit it was clear that outlaw is just better
craggy barn
i remember the hate for RTB back then
snd builds
kinda goated actually, just fuck this new button u gave us
glass mortar
original RtB i understand the hate
not that i thought it was the worst thing ever
but it was definitly far more gambly and hit or miss for players
but RtB changed
craggy barn
its just funny they made a talent to just say nah to the new shit
glass mortar
so much over the years
and these people never played it since legion
or they wouldnt have these complaints
vivid vessel
highlithing this addon on wowhead is kinda crazy considering it only uses workarounds
blizzard is forced to fix it now prolly
craggy barn
maybe theyll add it into base tool tips 🙂
vivid vessel
im effraid they break some of the things we use to color plates also
hope not !
cause this use a combination of things like mana, mob classes etc to guess which mob is which
craggy barn
god i feel like nameplate stacking has been getting worse and worse
vivid vessel
they changed it for midnight
and idk
its just straight up worse now
was supposed to improve plates
blizzard doing ui work
just dont do anything and its better maybe ?
glass mortar
i dont think ive kicked an important kick this expac ngl
im just using my pad kick macro
and default frames
default frames so worthless u cant tell any casts or anything past like 4 targets
so clearly blizzard doesnt intended for me to stop these casts
they even removed my aoe stop?
seems like its not my job
vivid vessel
i can assure you plater frames arent better
even with some mob coloring we have
half the mobs in every pull is red
so i have no clue which mob is which
i never read a mob name before midnight cause i was relying on colors
and i just realized
im still not able
to read the names
leaden sonnet
Its just so cursed that everytime somebody comes up with a way to circumvent blizzards shit it just get axed
vivid vessel
now i just kinda guess and learn by hearth exactlyt which mob is were and in what pack and etc
leaden sonnet
So they have no incentive to share it with anybody, which just makes the thing blizzard wanted to avoid more true than it was before
vivid vessel
i cannot read the names
do you guys actually read the names
i dont even know if my names fit in my plates actually
let me check
i miss colored plates ..
m+ is so bad now
also auras
on mobs
without filter its either you display nothing
or you display everythjing
leaden sonnet
Healer frames not being able to see whos targeted by mechanics
leaden sonnet
Is certainly a choice
vivid vessel
Is certainly a choice
luckely with new dungeon design
casts dont matter
idk if you did high keys eleem or not
leaden sonnet
I mean things like the suc beam in skyreach
vivid vessel
but you just die to mobs insta cast spells that they added everywhere now
leaden sonnet
Surely that does big dam
vivid vessel
like a lot of mobs have invisible abilities
no timer
not cast bar
no nothing
jumps on you or whatever
you die to these things constantly now
its very fun
leaden sonnet
Neat
vivid vessel
at least before you could track timers of these and idk stun the overlaps or smth
now you just stun randomly guessing
and die
weak aura died for this
glass mortar
i mean they always do mechanics like that tho
they just forgot to playtest
(chose not to)
glass mortar
no?
glass mortar
random jumps on u and does damage?
leaden sonnet
glass mortar
that was like half the mechanics in the new dungeon in s3?
vivid vessel
no but even then
glass mortar
the zoo place???
vivid vessel
yes in s3
glass mortar
it just did piss damage
glass mortar
because the guy who developed it wasnt an idiot
vivid vessel
we talked abouit it even
like we had that conversation in s3
i said i was worried about this new design direction
glass mortar
yea being able to track them and everything was good
vivid vessel
because it wasnt good for high keys
and that at the time it was fixed by being able to track cds
but now obviously we cant anymore
but yes this is the new design
that came with the no addon thing
they talked about it
they said it was better to reduce plate cluter and shit
mobs not having cast bars
because before s3 tww
all these things would be mobs with cast bars
glass mortar
i dont really agree
vivid vessel
or would be rare like the jumpers spiders in arakara
there is nothing to agree its litteraly true bro
glass mortar
i do agree theyve done more guys with this recently then ever before
theyve always had random piss mobs with only instant cast "attacks" that hit random players tho
glass mortar
someone just knew these abilities should do piss damage and barely scale with key level
or be like the defining boss mob in a pack
vivid vessel
they litteraly talked about this in interview with the addon thing
glass mortar
and its a dedicated mechanic u track
vivid vessel
about it being a new direction they were going for
so that you didnt have plates be so cluttered
with every mob casting
glass mortar
i agree it was almost never an issue
it still wouldnt be if they had tuned the abilities the way they usually do
thats all im saying
vivid vessel
and we saw that new vision with s3 tww
vivid vessel
it still wouldnt be if they had tuned the abilities the way they usually do
but thats not possible when its now so many abilities that it has to be relevant damage otherwise nothing ever happen in keys
and obviously they cant tune it for high keys
its just not possible
eternal hound
there is nothing to agree its litteraly true bro
Remeber second room of dark flame in tww s2
Absoutle caster aids
burnt grail
What % of combo points are people generally seeing as wasted?
I assume the sinister strike that produces the most combo points is the proc? (There are 2 listed in logs)
tough trellis
is there a general rule to prep about cooldowns remaining and slamming prep?
i saw in the faq that you try not to slam prep when AR is coming up soon but for things like BtE do i care at all or just slam it
heavy shadow
the belador trinket can switch into each other?
heavy shadow
does it show correctly on logs as the one used
as most I see using radiant
but would expect umbral
heavy shadow
yea was looking at top parses but weirdly seems to show the radiant one as trinket used
granite quarry
!ui
spring rapids
did anyone figure a build for the egg zerg strat on beloren?
vivid vessel
he wasnt there
vivid vessel
no we do one pull
craggy barn
ah
craggy barn
real
vivid vessel
in world of warcraft
quaint mauve
no warrior tho
what lvl r u doing rn zac
vivid vessel
ye
quaint mauve
im such a chud
glass mortar
zac is like 283 ilvl now
quaint mauve
just got resil 14s
glass mortar
disgusting how strong gear has become
vivid vessel
zac is like 283 ilvl now
276 rn noob
glass mortar
seems like u need a turbo boost to keep u engaged
vivid vessel
pre reset tho
glass mortar
vivid vessel
also gear is turbo useless rn
im pretty sure there is some levels of upgrade that doesnt even give stats
glass mortar
wtf....
vivid vessel
thats how bad ilvl is
glass mortar
dont say that zac... we scale now....
gear is so good.....
god i want more gear..
i crafted a ring and the ring enchant cost more then the craft...
what a world
quiet ore
276 rn noob
274 and lamenting that I'm downgrading myth crests to hero because I have no more use for myth this week. Totally ready to craft a 285 waist next week tho
glass mortar
LOL
vivid vessel
stop trolling levy
glass mortar
ok that is a 10/10 ragebait im posting that to guild disc
quiet ore
dont do this
I don't have a m raider guild. I can literally only get one m track piece a week
glass mortar
u can get 2 with the dinar system...
quiet ore
u can get 2 with the dinar system...
That's still two weeks out
vivid vessel
if you wanna fix it
get a 2nd char
and do that on 2nd char
to get the achievement
gl farming 1k crests tho
vivid vessel
i mean if you wanna do that
do it on an alt you dont care about
then you get the achievement
and upgrades cost less
dont int your mythic crests bro
you are gonna need them till next tier
quiet ore
I'll have "done with hc crests" like next week anyway
quiet ore
stop trolling
I'm rate limited by gear drop rate tho!
What am I gonna do, bank them until turbo boost starts and the cap is removed anyway?
vivid vessel
@glass mortar
vivid vessel
What am I gonna do, bank them until turbo boost starts and the cap is removed an...
craft things bro idk
vivid vessel
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i think it can be even less stats upgrade
but i dont have lower ilvl pieces
fathom bramble
idk why they squish so small on some of this stuff
glass mortar
i'll take all the gear since u dont want it....
fathom bramble
secondary stats could have been 100 or even 200 per % for crit
and then just have more on the item
quiet ore
craft things bro idk
I am, trust
glass mortar
only stat that matters for outlaw is stamina....
i just wanna stop getting autod to death by things..
fathom bramble
vivid vessel
ye i was trying to find that one
anyway
a socket is 23 secondary
on some pieces its legit 20 ilvl
to get that amount of stats
its silly
quiet ore
have u seen our stat weights.
quiet ore
its silly
True! Since I got a m hat this week, next week might be a socket take if nothing else excellent/catalyzable shows up
vivid vessel
i got one better noob
