outlaw

[haughty wigeon]

I just miss my xeph ui

[hollow temple]

i think the only way to download it is likely directly from its github

it doesn't even seem worth mucking around with for 99% of people

[hollow temple]

if that was a weakaura HUD/class suite aura, those aren't a thing anymore

i think the most you can do with WA rn is maybe resource bars, buff icons/timers for certain things like pot/lust?

but everything as far as abilities and personal buffs etc has to run through the CDM i think

[haughty wigeon]

Ah

Nvm then

That sucks

[pastel pendant]

I see ppl use prep in mplus now

So what’s the best way to use it

[grim spear]

on cd

[pastel pendant]

Do u adr first pull then just hit prep immediately after

ADR bte first an blade rush

[grim spear]

not immediately after but close

[pastel pendant]

Then prep

[grim spear]

sort of

[pastel pendant]

I never even seen outlaw in any keys I’ve done must be shit

[patent mirage]

oh no

its happening again

[carmine seal]

Let's be really here how cooked is outlaw rogue?

Are we talking bottom 25% cooked

[waxen scarab]

Nah

Its decent

[patent mirage]

mcdonalds cooked

[jagged plover]

mcdonalds fucks

[wintry solar]

Mmmmm

[static crescent]

I swapped to assa to try it out and blasting so fucking hard compared, igl, outlaw feels turboweak even before wednesdays buffs to assa

[daring oxide]

Is outlaw dead or alive

[novel isle]

Both?

[sinful dagger]

I tryed assa, god damn is it boring.

[long barn]

Good thing we nerfed outlaw BF today

It was way to powerful

[zinc briar]

@proven ocean Didn't u like Gingi dying the pull that was 1%? losing the 1st world for his team

[jagged plover]

i mean he died because someone else griefed

gingi made plenty of fuck ups but that pull wasnt his

[red zinc]

they didnt have a 1% pull before liquid killed it lmao

rwf discourse is always so uniquely braindead i love to see it

[azure snow]

What’s everyone been crafting ?

[jagged plover]

oh yeah it was 10 mins after anyway lol

[proven ocean]

They did noob

[proven ocean]

W comment after a clueless comment

Perfectly describes you backfired karma 2.0

[proven ocean]

That could’ve been a kill ya idk

[jagged plover]

#outlaw message

this was the 1% pull

after

[proven ocean]

Their best attempt was a higher % i think, ppl just didnt move with lazers at the last moment

[proven ocean]

Timmy just acts like that every now and then

[jagged plover]

no im referring to you

or plastik

[proven ocean]

I saw it already

[jagged plover]

the 1% pull was not before liquids kill

[proven ocean]

It was

Bozo

[jagged plover]

?

[ripe epoch]

!addons

[jagged plover]

literally look in the chat

you are reacting to the 1%

after we all typed about liquid winning

[stiff idol]

What do you think about Outlaw class tuning tomorrow?

[jagged plover]

there's a pin

[stiff idol]

Yeah I can also read blue post.. but what is your feelings about it?

[proven ocean]

The later pull was sub 1% or something

[halcyon night]

We dont have feelings here

[proven ocean]

@jagged plover

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems like blizzard has metrics that disagree with the perception of outlaw here

[stiff idol]

Do we have Sims already?

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven ocean]

Didnt buy it yet

Oh u mean simulation

[gaunt phoenix]

of the tuning? i put them in the pin

[proven ocean]

Thought u meant sims 4

@red zinc my gaslighting didnt work or what

Why no mad

[jagged plover]

that's the only 1% pull i see

[proven ocean]

1.89%…

[proven ocean]

Echo #1..

[zinc briar]

Dont know if was 1, 2 or 3 % but gingi died on last phase and was close to 1st world

And another was because someone didnt move in last stars

Lasers

[jagged plover]

oh they just killed it lol

[wet hill]

Hello, I'm new to outlaw rogue and wow in general and I'm hoping to improve. Could someone take a look at my logs and give me tips? Thanks :)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormscale/smarket

[thick vigil]

[coral wyvern]

Is our best otimization in Raid using two daggers and swapping to assa?

The tuning is kinda sad rn

[verbal stag]

@gaunt phoenix sorry for the ping but u helped me learn outlaw with my logs so wondered if u might help my friend too if u have a little time <3

[frail veldt]

Maybe blizz knows some build we don't lol

Secret blizzard aoe build

[fervent garden]

Is anyone actually removing Prep for SumDisp in ST? Or are we just all working it into the rotation?

[unique fulcrum]

tell me blizz adjusted the buff for tomorrow

[pearl topaz]

ST gain is nice

would be good if it was doubled though yeah

[patent mirage]

#outlaw!

[unique fulcrum]

i just want my cleave backkkk

and not starve for energy..

[gaunt phoenix]

just open a !log, but i dont make a guarantee to engage with it

[gaunt phoenix]

no, its based on player performance

they just honestly believe our 5-8 target is fine

[vivid vessel]

i mean tbf

[gaunt phoenix]

and our 1-4 target needs the smallest buff possible

[vivid vessel]

arent we usually higher on these

m+ logs

data

tier lists

thingies

[hot island]

early lists sub was a tier outlaw/assa was C, this has changed to all being in B if i'm not mistaken

[noble moon]

i saw sub in a and the other 2 in b in the last one i saw

[balmy topaz]

Tierr lists

[agile orchid]

we got spoiled by having 100% bladeflurry in low target counts

[noble moon]

dont think that was a tierlast though it was just score aggregate

[hot island]

i expect that was before BP got nerfed by 12% and mastery scaling for BP went from 30% to 20% (talent)

[fickle relic]

1 or 2 for us?

[novel isle]

1

+40% agi is pretty fun

[vivid vessel]

well there was also a time bf didnt cost half our energy every 10s

so

[agile orchid]

yeah that change is criminal

[fickle relic]

i saw some guy saying that the 2nd one is better, but after i tried it it felt pretty bad

[agile orchid]

is it a big loss to just play without it?

[vivid vessel]

deft ye

its kinda an insane talent in keys

[balmy topaz]

Deft is goated

[gaunt phoenix]

deft is required

[agile orchid]

deft was goated when it didn't cost energy

[balmy topaz]

I wish we had PC without the tuning issues of PC

[agile orchid]

can't they just make deft cost more energy based on how many targets you hit or something

if they insist on punishing you for pressing it

[mystic berry]

What if

mafic is the rogue dev

[balmy topaz]

who is dat

[mystic berry]

That would explain a lot

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont believe mafic is employed

[devout garden]

🏄 🏄‍♀️

[agile orchid]

unlucky, we'll have to wait until 12.1 for the spec to get fixed

[inland meteor]

13.1 actually

[verbal stag]

No worries no pressure either way u were just very helpful with me is all :D

[mystic berry]

this but for real

[verbal stag]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LRdvyH8fnqkrg924?fight=12&type=damage-done&source=18

[frail veldt]

They could be like a security guard who is mostly just sitting around

I could see it

[torpid fiber]

Surfing instructor

[inner yacht]

the st buff feels good

[vivid vessel]

0 * 1.04 = 0

[unique fulcrum]

what if ramfam is the outlaw def 🤔

[gleaming reef]

I have a question.... my unbuffed haste is 21% but raidbots say I should be using Crit flask in both AOE and ST situations, isn't it supposed to be 25%?

Surely raidbots is not wrong right?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's correct, 25% was an overestimation based on bis gear

[gleaming reef]

Oh ok

[gaunt phoenix]

21-23% is enough

haste continues to be "good" until 25%, but it competes with crit

[gleaming reef]

I'm still getting 0.8s GCDs?

[gaunt phoenix]

no, you aren't exactly

[gleaming reef]

ah ok

[gaunt phoenix]

but you are not in adrenaline rush enough to make it better than crit

[gleaming reef]

Well... I guess more time to think and react anyway.

[tropic zephyr]

i have 25 no flask rn

[lavish siren]

random execute is always nice

[frail veldt]

Now we have the tuning issues of no PC

[vivid vessel]

mabye they should have tuned pc back then

rmemeber

when they nerfed bf

was start of tww s3

all good tho

[coral wyvern]

No outlaw in wowanalyzer

Hmge

[long barn]

I just have PTSD of the Killing spree change

[light kernel]

Old ks was dope but also tilting

[long barn]

It was like riding the roller coaster with no harness

[quiet ore]

You could go 100% crit and not be that bad off with most builds this season, looks like

trickster ST benefits from vers in AoE, but that's about the only thing I've found where the optimal stats aren't a haste/crit split, favoring crit

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255110288081162311/1374365469884289034/KillingSpreeDawnbreaker.gif

[vivid vessel]

"benefit from vers"

more like

other stats are trash ye

[glass mortar]

^

[jagged plover]

i saw a thread asking about a spec that has flat damage because they didnt like cooldown specs

top comment didnt even mention outlaw

insane niche we have

no one even remembers us for that

[hybrid crown]

There was also a lot of complaining there about how most classes feel really bad outside CD windows

I feel like keys are really centered around big pull > pop all your shit now moreso than before

[tropic zephyr]

bring back old combat!!! with og KS!!! ‼️

[hybrid crown]

Which makes the outlier flat profile specs worse

[wide coral]

when every other spec is 2 buttons and a big cd that makes sense

[quiet root]

people in general don't know anything about outlaw

[vivid vessel]

9 target @cinder relic

[quiet root]

see also, people saying how broken blade flurry is because it's way at the top of our dps breakdown in keys

[vivid vessel]

10 target

its never a gain past 7

5 actually

[wide coral]

past would be just raw blade rush damage right?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

except br does no damage so

[wide coral]

exactly lmao

[vivid vessel]

i will say it again but

first pack academy

br is not even 15% of my damage

so

here this is 20 targets just in case

[wide coral]

sadge

[vivid vessel]

i think most of the damage we gain after 8 target

is from main gauche bfing

not from br

[quiet root]

time to stack mastery guys

[potent ore]

congrats bois, we meta tomorrow

[quiet ore]

can that chain?

[gaunt phoenix]

80 targets

[wide coral]

[vivid vessel]

br proc main gauche on any target hti

main gauche cleave bf

bf doesnt proc main gauche

[wide coral]

I thought main gauche was only on the main target

[gaunt phoenix]

mostly, but BF (cast damage) and BR can proc main gauche on multiple targets

each individual target hit has a chance to get gauched

[wide coral]

good to know

[unique fulcrum]

so we go full mastery

got it

[vivid vessel]

damage of br goes down

after 20

thoughts

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[vivid vessel]

ye but

it shouldnt be true

:D

[wide coral]

yea makes no sense

[vivid vessel]

the mega hard cap soft cap thing should still not decrease the damage

[wide coral]

why would it

[vivid vessel]

idk

[quiet ore]

alright, can any of yall find me a worse build than this that still on it's face "seems like a full and complete build"? That one's like 25% behind on ST.

[gaunt phoenix]

do this

[quiet ore]

ah, yeah, that'll probably hurt it

[keen belfry]

im puking

all overmysefl

[quiet ore]

no guns, no tea

[vivid vessel]

seems to go up again after some point

[keen belfry]

killing spree no tea fatebound buiild

[vivid vessel]

i see an increase from 22 target to 30

oh well

[near rock]

main gooch build

[gaunt phoenix]

can swap this one

[vivid vessel]

just dont press adr

[gaunt phoenix]

or just go trickster

[quiet ore]

We're not looking for how to misplay, that's easy - you get zero dps by doing nothing or negative dps by trolling your team - just what is objectively "the worst build even if you execute it well"

[vivid vessel]

misplaying start at talent selection

[wide coral]

misplaying starts at playing outlaw

[near rock]

Starts at playing rogue

[quiet ore]

mostly just to know how big the gap between the abolute shittiest talent choices you can make and a good build is

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

[quiet ore]

trickster makes the KS capstone pick real so you'd have to move that, too, but going trickster without KS is actually a troll, like not picking br with current tier, so doesn't seem reasonable

[gaunt phoenix]

our spec aura went from 39-12 (27%) to 56-19 (37%)

???

that's a 7.8% buff

[quiet ore]

wat

[gaunt phoenix]

huge ?!

[tropic zephyr]

Imagine if BF procced MG

[vivid vessel]

no

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[vivid vessel]

they apply both pvp and pve buff

on the same

[tropic zephyr]

We would have different stats for st and dungeons

[vivid vessel]

and then there is a new aura

that remove some

or smth

i dont remember

right

like pvp got 12% or whatever

i dont remmeber

its something weird

[gaunt phoenix]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/e199ebab3c058c79ecc6da6ca01748e022fb1a09

[vivid vessel]

ok looking

you force my hand

[keen belfry]

i hope zac is wrong

if our buff is doubled

its an outlaw season

[midnight granite]

[tropic zephyr]

[keen belfry]

fuck you @vivid vessel

[midnight granite]

[vivid vessel]

i cba doing the math

[glass mortar]

outlaw buff in pvp was 8%

[vivid vessel]

\

[midnight granite]

Quick someone do the math

[vivid vessel]

its not a double buff

solo is just baiting cause noob

[midnight granite]

Noob

[jagged plover]

triple buff??

[vivid vessel]

oh

is solo right

look man

im on

[quiet ore]

sure looks like it

[vivid vessel]

i havent slept since

uh

yesterday

the day before

idk how long that is

[novel isle]

we had -19% damage?

[wide coral]

surely its not a mistake on their end

[keen belfry]

i trust you

[static crescent]

What is going on

[novel isle]

thats some crazy way to balance XD

[quiet ore]

and not solo?

trust solo, not me

[keen belfry]

solo sometimes just types

levy seems like a fact checker

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm not right

[glass mortar]

solo would never just type...

[vivid vessel]

nah solo is baiting

he looked at wrong number

cause there is 10 diff number

[keen belfry]

aight solo

[vivid vessel]

we actually even got the low number

instead of the high number

wouldnt want to overbuff outlaw

could have been 3.9% buff but no

has to be 3.1

[patent mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/vae-gif-15357506855217945854

[quiet ore]

The AA damage buff is definitely 5%, the others tho... they look bigger?

[vivid vessel]

tuning devs are mentally challenged

its ok

its 3.1% for me

and im on 24h no sleep

im sure you guys can figure it out

i took the numbers that looked the worse

cause thats the numbers we will get

[patent mirage]

we are all here challenged

" hey guys rogue sux but anyway we buff devourer "

[vivid vessel]

wait

isnt the pvp buff real

and the pve buff less

im so confused

like

they managed to do 4+8% for pvp

and then for pve its 3.1

or im crazy

xd

@gaunt phoenix am i wrong bro

[wide coral]

waytoodank bro

[vivid vessel]

how did they manage to get the pve aura buff to be 4% in pvp but 3.1% in pve

we trolling or what

[patent mirage]

im afraid they use the logic of " outlaw sux but go play sub "

[vivid vessel]

eh idk what the numbers means actually i cba

but we get 3.1% buff

not even 3.9

so we get fucked

[quiet ore]

well, echoing reprimand, unseen blade, and tails coin look like a net +4% in pve, while everything else is net +10% ...? (which, those being additive, will be less as an overall multiplier), idk

these numbers are very confusing compared to the patch notes, i'll tell ya what

[glass mortar]

zac... tell me what to feel...

r we crashing out today zac.....

[vivid vessel]

no idk why there is 10 different numbers

but

we get the bad one

[gaunt phoenix]

it looks like 39-12 became 56-19 but it's really 1.39 * 0.88 became 1.56 * .81

[vivid vessel]

idk what this guy jhust said

ignore him

[keen belfry]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lil-yachty-drake-3

[vivid vessel]

we get the bad number

[glass mortar]

solo spittin

learn zac

[vivid vessel]

i said that 10 min ago bud

tf you mean zac learn

[quiet ore]

then there's also the seperate number for ub, tails, and er

[eternal hound]

Myth track shoulders are the only real option lol

[quiet ore]

and another for AAs

[keen belfry]

what should i take chat

gotta be the ring no?

[eternal hound]

what's ur ring

[random stirrup]

holy ring

[keen belfry]

champ version fo that ring

[eternal hound]

Oh

Yeah probally

Or Guidon maybe

[keen belfry]

i aint taking a sub trinket

[wide coral]

is occlusion that the haste crit one

[eternal hound]

yep

[random stirrup]

you take guidon for alleria when u have to play sub

[keen belfry]

ill just yoink one from the raid when i need one

[eternal hound]

I umm

[tropic zephyr]

this is the socket belt?

[keen belfry]

ill kil it as outlaw

[eternal hound]

I got the ring too but it'd be an upgrade from a hero track

[vivid vessel]

solo you didnt run the sims with the - auras

[random stirrup]

also how did you log in awangawangawang

[vivid vessel]

woudlnt that fuck everything up

[eternal hound]

And shoulders are +20 ilvls

[keen belfry]

toook awhile

[random stirrup]

area52 still exploding for me

[gaunt phoenix]

yesterday vs today

[vivid vessel]

are the - aura even doing anything in sims

theyu are new and shit

is it automatic

[keen belfry]

spoeed ring too banger

[gaunt phoenix]

i think so

[random stirrup]

my character is not found

[eternal hound]

Oooo very nice

[quiet ore]

looks like 5% to me

[keen belfry]

you have never been found

[eternal hound]

Try it again

Mine said that and it let me in next one, but it's slow af

[random stirrup]

ive been trying for 18 minutes now

[gaunt phoenix]

our spec aura was 39%, then the negative aura was -12%, it looks like sim resolves this as 1.39 * 0.88 so 22.32% actual aura

you feel me

[keen belfry]

22% buff

holy!

[tough ridge]

yeah me too even relogging

its just bricked

[quiet ore]

the pvp changes being a negative non-pvp-only aura feels silly

[patent mirage]

wat

[vivid vessel]

they added thatr last patch

to confuse us

idk

[patent mirage]

are we getting bamboozled

[static crescent]

So how much did we get

Wut

[noble moon]

when you see patch notes you think the translation to in game would be simple

[patent mirage]

someone bring in the best AI quantum computer

run the maths

[noble moon]

outlaw damage buffed by 4%
oh so we'll do 4% more damage?
incredibly loud incorrect buzzer

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix how come when i sim i still dont have the hotfixes in

its lying to me no

like i did the new overrides myself

but

this lies no

[main shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/livasmol-loading-cat-smol-gif-6810651202878211592

[vivid vessel]

i simmed nightly but i dont think that matters

[quiet ore]

march 31st

[vivid vessel]

even weekly should be updated

[quiet ore]

text

[gaunt phoenix]

nightly not updated

[vivid vessel]

what about weekyl

it should no

[gaunt phoenix]

latest should have it

[vivid vessel]

march 31 are april 7 hotfixes tho no

isnt it just last week stuffs

[vivid vessel]

ok

how is it a bigger buff tho

[quiet ore]

AA damage was defo buffed by 5% and not 4%

[gaunt phoenix]

no its not

[vivid vessel]

you are right

aa was buffed by bigger number

[patent mirage]

are we living in a simulation

[vivid vessel]

than what you simmed last week yes it is

[eternal hound]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jybyXvmRSyUgWy43LZFkdW WOW

The stats are that bad

[gaunt phoenix]

its a percentage

315 -> 332 is 4.15 -> 4.32 multiplier

[eternal hound]

At that point I'm just taking occlusion

[gaunt phoenix]

whichi s 4.09%

[vivid vessel]

waht is this guy saying

someone translate

[patent mirage]

solo is an AI

[jagged plover]

gamer defeated by math

[quiet ore]

more than 4%!

[gaunt phoenix]

true..

[patent mirage]

huge

[vivid vessel]

but this was your sim last week solo

this week

why is my number lower also

someone tell me

did you change talents in your sims you turbo nerd solo

[zinc briar]

¡Mira este clip! ¡echo_esports está streameando World of Warcraft! https://www.twitch.tv/echo_esports/clip/SpineyGrossLasagnaBCWarrior-wqzMD06h068r3_kR

[vivid vessel]

you did thats crazy

[gaunt phoenix]

i cant respond to you right now

[vivid vessel]

i would have simmed everything with m+ talents !

[vivid vessel]

donowalled

[gaunt phoenix]

actual tuning

most abilities buffed by 3.3%
auto attack buffed by 4.09%
fatebound tails buffed by 11.47% (idk)

[vivid vessel]

nice

lets nerf trickster a bit more also

just in case

[keen belfry]

ayo another uncapped aoe source buffed let sgo

lets uh go!

[vivid vessel]

do coins even aoe

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

they bf

[vivid vessel]

ok so its capped

awang

why ytou capping rn

[keen belfry]

i thought

they just did big aoe on ur target

not related to bf

idk

i just press my buttons

ok?

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess your thing is just talents zac

[vivid vessel]

yes

[keen belfry]

are our tails gonna fuck again

like tww s3

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[keen belfry]

i dont even mrember what they looked like in st bosses this tier

[vivid vessel]

tails fucked in tww s3?

[keen belfry]

yeah didnt coins fuck in tww 3

[gaunt phoenix]

tails is like 8% of your damage, now its 10%

insane ..

[icy hare]

S2 Undermine tier set

[keen belfry]

no

s3

@vivid vessel

yeah not bad buffing coins by 11% no cap

this i vorasisus

[vivid vessel]

why is github compare thing on navigator legit unusable

its 2026

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

they made it worse somehow'

[vivid vessel]

my internet browser can run cyberpunk

but i cant load 10 lines of text

[jovial beacon]

Hey o/ Been reading this channel a bit but I wanted to ask to make sure, if BtE is off cooldown and I'm at 5 CP, should I always go to 6+ regardless of overcap or should I just send it at 5 ?

[vivid vessel]

what are we doing

[gaunt phoenix]

you never bte at 5

always 6-7

but you dispatch at 5

[jovial beacon]

Ok so since I assume holding bte and sending a dispatch is worse, I just overcap ?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[jovial beacon]

Alright ty :)

[vivid vessel]

i wanna wake up tomorrow

and open vault

[jovial beacon]

Oh also I just remembered I've been wondering, are there scenarios where "greeding" KIR and holding it until the next AR to try and get a better dice roll (3 or 4) is good ? Mainly asking about M+ since I assume answer for raid would be don't lose usage like most other classes

[zinc briar]

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[bright lodge]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[mystic berry]

Oh shit

coins are nuking now

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have stage 2 only, and you know your next roll will have loaded dice, then you do hold kir and greed the next roll

like the opener with preparation

[vivid vessel]

yo yo yo bro

tf you doing

unpin this

?

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

no one needs to know im fr rn

[twilit spruce]

Guys where's this from? Did I miss smth?

[gaunt phoenix]

fine

[vivid vessel]

just tell people we were upped by 4%

[tropic zephyr]

Do we have sims of no tuning vs actual tuning?

[jovial beacon]

Got it thanks for the answers :)

[quiet ore]

unseen blade and echoing reprimand (?) also were in the weirdly-bigly-buffed set, no?

[vivid vessel]

its litteraly in the notes

gg

[mystic berry]

We pumping now boys

also fuck trickster

even more

[twilit spruce]

Can you guys link the post?

[gaunt phoenix]

UB yes, echoing reprimand is unusuable

[vivid vessel]

they just buffing random things

20 year old game btw

[keen belfry]

solo and zac can u guyus hear me for one second?

[vivid vessel]

cant aura tune

[quiet ore]

is it not the right ER for the triggered one?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's the same post as the last pin. they just adjust the data weirdly

[keen belfry]

are these changes the same as what we said last week

[vivid vessel]

we dont play that tho

[keen belfry]

good at low target

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[twilit spruce]

Ah ty solo

[keen belfry]

small loss at high target

[vivid vessel]

that thing is prolly 50% behind no cap

[vivid vessel]

neutral now

so

[keen belfry]

nice

[vivid vessel]

neutral loss

[keen belfry]

so just gain at low target

[vivid vessel]

its blue

the number is blue

margin of error

[keen belfry]

i love that song by billie elish

[vivid vessel]

.2%

bro i need

i need to wtch new sabrina carpenter music video

you made me think about that

brb

[midnight granite]

Uh

[gaunt phoenix]

blueuuueuueuuueu

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

that was the album of 2024

[midnight granite]

What happened in here

Did we get more or less

[vivid vessel]

im r1 sabrina carpenter fan

expresso and shit

[gaunt phoenix]

we got a bit more

[vivid vessel]

thats my thing bro

we almost got a bit less

so im still mad

[vivid vessel]

gg cuh

im still mad at the fact we almost got fucked but we didnt

easy enough

[keen belfry]

they really teased us

im more mad at solo

[vivid vessel]

massive edging

[keen belfry]

i waslike uh oh 8% buff

we are going to get gutted if 8% buff

and be tww s3

[vivid vessel]

solo wasnt there for the last aura buff

[midnight granite]

Sabrina Carpenter

[vivid vessel]

when they added that fucking pvp thign

i think

no aware

who thought about that tho

let me add a negative non pvp aura

like tf

[gaunt phoenix]

i still dont think i understand its purpose

[vivid vessel]

its so

you know

and then

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[vivid vessel]

you dont like ?

[keen belfry]

i gained a lot of respet for zac yesterday

[tropic zephyr]

The rule is, if you don't have LD for your next roll then just press KiR if you're at 2+
You can choose to gamba and try to get 3+ natty but... If you lose it's omega cursed

[vivid vessel]

wang he doesnt like sabrina

[keen belfry]

a noob came in asking about tuning for today, and zac just told the guy "your dmg aint going up anyway lil bro"

like he wasnt wrong tho

[vivid vessel]

i mena ye

the guy was like

am i gonna blast my keys now ?

[keen belfry]

was just a banger reply

[vivid vessel]

lil bud your damage is going up by 1%

aint no one blasting any keys

[tropic zephyr]

[eternal hound]

See you can

if you don't have le skill issue

[gaunt phoenix]

just for peace of mind

[inland meteor]

fuk thats literally the main thing i have

[quiet ore]

something to put in my "there are no bad choices" build

[copper radish]

ER gaming in 2026?? 👀

[keen belfry]

i dont understand game design cuz like why does that er talent even exist?

[gaunt phoenix]

i could rerun my sim a bunch and it might be 69420

[eternal hound]

also wow

tanks and heals don't exist

[quiet ore]

so, what are the odds some of these undocumented buffs get dropped when the .5 patch is sent out

[keen belfry]

just buff our energy

PLEASE

levy

i feel like u know this

how can i make a macro to apply oil to weapon

[quiet ore]

only works on mainhand weapon, historic macro limitation

don't bother

[keen belfry]

gg

[zinc briar]

Blablabla

We are the worst dps in raid

Time to see Assa shine in m+

[quiet ore]

explain this

[vivid vessel]

its funny cause outlaw is prolly the worse spec in the game on beloren

[gaunt phoenix]

i also did very well on bird for some reason

gamer ?!

[outer meteor]

its for sure a prism angle right

[quiet ore]

constant low target cleave and prep for the amp phase probably

[vivid vessel]

no haha

you guys want an explanation ?

[gaunt phoenix]

sad..

[vivid vessel]

everyone hold cd for the intermission

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

cause thats the only damage that matters to kill boss

[gaunt phoenix]

oh

ye

[vivid vessel]

but also this is hc

[quiet ore]

there's no ol mythic so

[vivid vessel]

in mythic outlaw will prolly get astro turbo gapped

[quiet ore]

best we got

[vivid vessel]

in intermission specs will do about 4 times your damage

[zinc briar]

A random kill in hc with pet collectors?

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

[tropic zephyr]

kek the rogue is probably the only one to not hold CDs at all

[vivid vessel]

i dont think you need to be a mathematican to know tho

[tropic zephyr]

but that guy blasted

[vivid vessel]

outlaw is for sure the worse spec in the game on beloren

i heard fury was also turbo bad tho

but ye

[tropic zephyr]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

you want big burst cds

[tropic zephyr]

fury does 0

[vivid vessel]

for intermission on beloren

at least there is no downtime phase before the intermission

could have been worse !

[tropic zephyr]

I did a one phase HC this week and I almost got kickd cause I could not go over 140k dps

[quiet ore]

theey're still mid-pack for dps during the lust, surprisingly. Not great, but not the bottom, either

[tropic zephyr]

yeah this guy absolutely blasted

but I'm saying that a "real" 100 parse from any other class would put that perf to rest

it's just ppl hold for egg and get shit parse/dmg

[quiet ore]

...does wcl still not allocate ebon-might buffed bf damage back to the evoker?

[vivid vessel]

!aug

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[vivid vessel]

gg

[gaunt phoenix]

https://gist.github.com/ljosberinn/a2f08a53cfe8632a18350eea44e9da3e#rogue

[quiet ore]

none of those look like ol issues, seems fine

[vivid vessel]

dont think this has been updated much for midnight

[gaunt phoenix]

i saw Jan 09 2026 and thought that's midnight

[tropic zephyr]

watching my GD stacks fly aways waiting for egg to spawn

2026 gaming

[gaunt phoenix]

what is gd

[tropic zephyr]

gravedigger

[random stirrup]

geometry dash

[zinc briar]

Then how much dps we lost in cleave 3-5 targets?

[severe grove]

Hey guys

How's the outlawing

[gaunt phoenix]

none

small gain

[inland meteor]

wait so where is 11% coin dmg coming from

[vivid vessel]

air

[inland meteor]

big fan of air ill take it

[quiet ore]

another vuln phase fight where ol has blasted - didn't even save prep for vuln, just prep on pull, save nothing. We sure there's no aug log bugs - all these OL blasters have aug support

[inland meteor]

so how exactly do u use prep? like in a vuln phase do u AR and then immediately prep? or AR -> normal shit -> Prep after AR has fallen off?

[vivid vessel]

there isnt really a damage amp on this boss

its 20%

cds dont line up well

outlaw is quite good

also he is just padding

ore well he isnt but it can be a paddy fight

[quiet ore]

damage to boss is just as good

[vivid vessel]

but outlaw is good on that boss

outlaw is good on saladar

dare i say its the best spec prolly on it

the damage amps are only 20%

and theyu dont line up that well

• lkill time sucks for sub now

im taling about mythic i have no clue about hc

[quiet ore]

they're what, 1 min 45s into the fight? i thought 1.5min classes would love that

[random stirrup]

1m45s is first then its every 2mins

[quiet ore]

oh, awkward for longer fights

[vivid vessel]

and on mythic rn you kill right before last damage amp

[arctic hollow]

I assumed that Outlaw is great on Saladar because of the constant orb respawn but i saw you fought it with ST spec Zac, what's up with that ?

[vivid vessel]

boss dies when boss hp gets to 0

our ranges kill the adds before they get to melee

no point playing aoe

[arctic hollow]

Makes sense

Thanks

[eternal hound]

But Zac st damage dosent matter in a cleave tier cuz adds ends fights quicker (i have literally seen this take and its cringe lmao)

[lavish shoal]

Yeah I mean you still hold for amp tho

I mean I think sub and law are fine this fight

Sin is not great but also boss is easy af so don’t matter

[cinder relic]

Deft gains a fuck load of value from the small orb spawns

[quiet ore]

deft in the ST build - weirdly OK

[arctic hollow]

Óh right, so no Grand Melee or Dancing Steel but still Deft, makes sense, funnel add CP into the ST damage

[glass mortar]

its not like its competing with anything

competing with 15% MS

[frail veldt]

Yeaaaah our top of tree is a lil funky

[river wing]

*our treeS are a lil funky

[indigo token]

I really dislike COTX

*COTC

[keen belfry]

any build ever, even st, where u wanna press bf a few times deft wins

stuff like vorasisus

[brave fossil]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tropic zephyr]

Actual king I did the same damage with prep rofl

Tho I missed so much GCD with fps loss

[ornate loom]

When are these buffs going to be released?

[gaunt phoenix]

they are already out

for NA

[ornate loom]

And EU?

[gaunt phoenix]

with reset tomorrow

[ornate loom]

Ait

[calm osprey]

Can someone help me understand why our pinned message about trinkets says Gaze is not BiS, but bloodmallet and my personal sims still show it significantly ahead of all other trinkets?

I really want it to not be bis, but everything else seems to contradict solo's pinned message about it

[tropic zephyr]

solo>>>>>>

[calm osprey]

I do trust

[gaunt phoenix]

it's behavior kept updating in sim, it does look like it's still bis

[calm osprey]

shucks

thank you

[gaunt phoenix]

though for me the ranger thing is still slightly ahead

in the end those 3 trinkets can prolly flip flop for different profiles

[soft musk]

is there a time frame on when we get aoe blind back?

[gaunt phoenix]

in 12.0.5

[quiet ore]

same week the voidforge opens, right

[soft musk]

noice.

[jagged plover]

reading the outlaw faq intro is actually so doomerpilling

[soft musk]

the voidforge you need Myth track gear to get use the voidforge tokens on it too right? or else itll just be H whatever it is

[mystic berry]

why?

[soft musk]

or does it just send the item to its myth equiv

[mystic berry]

I use solo as my bible

For outlaw

[jagged plover]

half of it is just like "yeah this thing is just worse than it used to be lol"

[gaunt phoenix]

[jagged plover]

no it's good ofc solo goat

it's just depressing

[soft musk]

i only doom if solo, levy or tom (actually doom and not ragebaiting). if they do than i go kick rocks on aug evoker until its good again lol;

[quiet ore]

we do have peak ss proc rate now tho

[jagged plover]

and stuff like this does not instill me with any confidence that they are doing anything positive

yup everyone definitely wants to use a builder between ace resets

good one blizzward

[soft musk]

what do you mean?

[gaunt phoenix]

at least it sometimes puts you at 6

[jagged plover]

you could argue that is worse

depends how you feel about proc reaction gameplay

but i thought that was one of the things they didnt like about premidnight outlaw

[quiet ore]

7cp + supercharged is guaranteed 6

[stuck tiger]

Ye well they wanted it worse and less fun

[gaunt phoenix]

about that

[jagged plover]

i mean im not so doomered thati think it's malicious

i just wish they would listen to people who know what they're talking about

[gaunt phoenix]

if apex 1 procs then your supercharger can get munched

[jagged plover]

there's plenty of them here

instead of listening to the wow forums posters who hate stealth on outlaw but probably have a level 33 rogue they havent played since mop or whatever

[harsh quartz]

25% haste is hard

[stuck tiger]

Ur probably fine there honestly

[uncut ginkgo]

yay for RNGesus blessing me

[harsh quartz]

I feel like I need more something though.. probably vers

[stuck tiger]

Ah yeah my vers is terrible

Which sucks for us

[harsh quartz]

more crit even.. 40% is soft cap right

[uncut ginkgo]

yess

40% crit, 25% haste, 22% if you run flask

[harsh quartz]

I mean I'm not mythic geared just 266 so room to grow

[cinder relic]

U dont need 25

U need like 21-23

it starts to fall off around 21-23

[harsh quartz]

good to know

[cinder relic]

it hard falls off at 25

[harsh quartz]

probably get more as I upgrade gear then I'll recraft with crit/vers instead of crit/hate

[void brook]

New to outlaw, am I good to use a dagger OH or do both weapons need to be 2.6?

[upper hawk]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[outer meteor]

at 21% haste do i use haste flask? sims says no but i feel a lil energy starved sometimes in keys

[dim widget]

the sim has spoken.

[outer meteor]

maybe its just a 10 sec adr hold at the end of a pack that just chains into no energy

[gaunt phoenix]

the thing is

every if you starve 2% of the time

sim is still seeing your average dps over 40 billion pulls is higher with crit

[midnight granite]

I like

[outer meteor]

true ig

it just feels so bad

[light kernel]

can we clear circles on first packs in seat without cloak?

[keen belfry]

vanish

[light kernel]

vanish works

nice

thx

[keen belfry]

can do same for big circles in left hallway nexus point

[light kernel]

like on my ele i can wind rush totem, wolf form and spirit walk XD

[crimson flame]

Quick question : 289 Neck or Tier Chest 289? have 4p already. I know chest is bigger number but long term is the neck a better option since it might be harder to get?

[buoyant cosmos]

I think it's always harder to get

[keen belfry]

i think id take neck pretty ez cuz so many cata charges, chest drops from easy boss etc

[crimson flame]

yeah that's what I was thinking, thanks guys 🙂

[glass mortar]

id take chest cause its probably one of the biggest upgrades u can get in a season

what is herioc ilvl neck to myth ilvl neck even

0.069% dps increase

[buoyant cosmos]

p nice

[glass mortar]

not like u cant force out any slot u dont get to drop with the new dinar system thing anyway

[buoyant cosmos]

Wasn't that just for raid bosses?

[crimson flame]

yeah not a lot, I currently have the same neck at 276, which is what the sim told me if I take it 0.6%

[sullen walrus]

rogues pls help me. how can i do this + on my character?

[glass mortar]

nope

[summer valve]

guys whats your vers % at atm ?

[sullen walrus]

it was addon in tww

[glass mortar]

dungeons and raid bosses

dungeons cost half as much resource

cause their loot pools r bigger

[glass mortar]

2%

well 5% with the versa talent ig

[buoyant cosmos]

It's for your character location right?

!addons

[sullen walrus]

ye

[buoyant cosmos]

There's a command for addons with one

[sullen walrus]

!addons

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't remember it

[keen belfry]

wildu tools

[glass mortar]

awang what am i seeing in my vault today...

[keen belfry]

fart

[glass mortar]

mythic tier in 2 slots at least... what else tho

maybe a trinket

i dont even want weapons weird season

theres gotta be less daggers on the loot table then mh weapons right

[keen belfry]

mayube

but prbabkly

[sullen walrus]

thanks! ❤️

[celest cobalt]

Happy nerf day suckers.

[keen belfry]

jookes on you epoxe

[gaunt phoenix]

jookes

[celest cobalt]

I wanna play outlaw but can't get groups, so you're right

Stuck playing shitty sub

[keen belfry]

tell them u know awangawangaw

[celest cobalt]

So boring

[jagged plover]

they'll just ask if your cat walked on your keyboard

[sullen walrus]

@keen belfry how zac did this icon of feint on middle screen?

[keen belfry]

ayijecdm

[quiet root]

did your cat walk on your keyboard?

[gaunt phoenix]

aicigjyionicmdm

[inner yacht]

que up as sub

and change after u get in dungeon

[buoyant cosmos]

The old undercover feral druid routine

[keen belfry]

iawejeiacdm

[gaunt phoenix]

oh shit i accidentally started the key as outlaw haha oh well..

[buoyant cosmos]

Shoot, sorry guys

[keen belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1488059004184957028/NVIDIA_Overlay_fM8uttgV59.gif

this so sataisify

[buoyant cosmos]

I miss hook

[zenith egret]

Stats are :
Crit 34.96%
Haste 20.39%
Mastery 10.80%
Vers 8.22%

Should I stick on haste flask or start going crit flask (or vers ?)
Sorry to ask, don't have the way to sim between flask

[gleaming reef]

just stick it in raidbots and see which flask it uses

[novel birch]

GOOD THING WE GOT A BUFF!

Bitch made fucking blizzard

[zenith egret]

As a quick sim and I keep "Simc default" on consumables ?

[haughty sparrow]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gleaming reef]

ya

it'll pick for you

[zenith egret]

Time to go crit flask then

[foggy cove]

whats this addon for added cursor effects and centered cross

[zenith egret]

Thank you

[cinder relic]

This is a skilll issue I fear

[fickle relic]

worth going for this set?

[zenith egret]

Might be Ultimate Mouse Cursor

[foggy cove]

ty ill take a look

been looking for a cursor addon

[novel birch]

How tf is that a skill Issue?

I'm so tired of this class

[cinder relic]

How are u doing 35k over 3 minutes

[unique fulcrum]

yea theres gotta be something very wrong

or ur fresh 90

[keen belfry]

i love razorfall

hes been posting his details this xxpac

and everyone been responding with skill issue

[zenith sequoia]

Bitch made fucking blizzard

[cinder relic]

I mean rogue sucks but like

U cant blame blizzard for doing 35k dps

[river wing]

I mean
Bitch made fucking blizzard is real

but 35k is low even by bitch-made tuning ye

[placid ocean]

It's not even a 1% dps increase.

[red zinc]

when you find out your goat is and always has been washed

🥀

[keen belfry]

can ibe ur goat tommy

[zinc briar]

holyyyy wlogs is full of outlaw rogues in the top of the list

this buff is huge!!!

[novel birch]

Right, okay

jack pot is up, AR is up, I'm hitting my combos when I need to

how the fuck is that a skill issue

[keen belfry]

because you arent

you might think you are

was that a boss fight?

[novel birch]

yes

[keen belfry]

yeah noah fence

[novel birch]

Veximus

[keen belfry]

u stunk it up that fight

yeah no ty

[novel birch]

How then?

[keen belfry]

you are literally just playing super fundamentally wrong

whats ur ilvl big bro

[novel birch]

Dispatch on 5, BtE on 6

[red zinc]

bd they will never tune a dps to do less damage than tanks you are just playing it wrong

[novel birch]

How the fuck is that wrong

how are you oding this any differently than I am?

[keen belfry]

there is much more to it than that 🙂

[novel birch]

It's all well and good saying skill issue, but that doesn't help anyone

[ruby skiff]

youre gonna need to post a log if you want somebody to dissect what you did wrong

[next wedge]

you have to press blade rush too

[gaunt phoenix]

this convo will just lead to frustration cuz we cant instantly solve what's going on

[keen belfry]

post a log cuh

[next wedge]

^

[novel birch]

From where?

[next wedge]

warcraftlogs

[keen belfry]

any log u have ever

im sure this isnt a one time thing

how do i lkook up tammy with a thing on the Y

[buoyant cosmos]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7kxdjb9LFNaptKhJ?fight=2&type=damage-done

[next wedge]

ÿ

[buoyant cosmos]

I just went to the character map

[next wedge]

brother you had 58% rtb uptime

[keen belfry]

3.5 casters per minute of BTE HOLY MOLY

[next wedge]

you cast keep it rolling 3 times total

[cinder relic]

Dont be toxic

[fluid meadow]

is this 1 button cpm?

[novel birch]

I only know what I've been told

which is fuck all

[next wedge]

so the biggest thing is you're spending a lot of time not casting

or maintaining your buffs

[novel birch]

Is dispatch under BtE in prio?

[buoyant cosmos]

There's a lot of good info in the faq section, and people here will help

[cinder relic]

BTe higher prio

[next wedge]

yeah BtE off cooldown

[novel birch]

There's problem one

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems like you are not prioritizing bte

[red zinc]

wait

you said dispatch on 5 bte on 6 earlier

[buoyant cosmos]

You get a big buff from casting BTE as well, so you want to keep that up as much as you can

[red zinc]

are you just pressing dispatch when you reach 5 instead of building further when bte is off cd

[buoyant cosmos]

Fatebound is dispatching on 5 from coin damage

[ruby skiff]

yeah you need to build to use the BTE almost every time its available

[gaunt phoenix]

dont press blade flurry on 1 target

does nothing

[buoyant cosmos]

Maybe a thread they could read would be best

[zinc briar]

We are the best dps of the raid now? With the buffs

[keen belfry]

no

[zinc briar]

Unlucky for liquid and echo