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frail veldt
next shuttle
Thanks, sorry for the late reply, I had just started a key :^)
sullen wyvern
so
now that AA is a huge part of our damage
I am guessing that you want a shamman in your keys pretty much always
keen belfry
gingia stream keeps making me think hes gonna an opp proc @vivid vessel
proven ocean
Ok
Me sleep and wake up to a rwf win
U guys gonna wait for hours 
Just time skip lol or?
inland meteor
ull miss a generational echo win
proven ocean
If echo wins it will be generational ya
inland meteor
narcolies will solo survive in p4 and kill
inland meteor
thats why u get a job with homeoffice
proven ocean
I mean idk
If i could get one
I wouldve taken it without rethinking
Not even for a gcd
Insta take
inland meteor
watch this last liquid pull
proven ocean
As much as giga time consuming as my job may be atleast i can buy w.e i want
Not cars and stuff but like normal things like rtx 5090 etc
inland meteor
buy blizz stock and buff rogue ?
final pagoda
whats the best spec community?
inland meteor
ret paladin
proven ocean
whats the best spec community?
Outlaw
craggy barn
I am guessing that you want a shamman in your keys pretty much always
ye shaman buff has been huge since even before midnight for us
final pagoda
OUTLAW!!!!!!!
inland meteor
final pagoda
im confused guy
craggy barn
lol
inland meteor
how good is sin gonna be tomorrow after buffs?
cinder relic
0.8% better on st
craggy barn
bigly
cinder relic
It got like a 2-5% depending on target counts and conditions
frail veldt
<@151872253229924352>
yeah thats pretty dramatic
did sub players like having nothing between cds?
like whats the sentiment there
cinder relic
Uh depends who u ask ppl like different things
craggy barn
mplus kinda weird
final pagoda
It got like a 2-5% depending on target counts and conditions
yep, so what ur saying is that sin st burst = sub st burst, and this week they will even get a 1% ST buff more
?
cinder relic
It's nice that dance is more relevant
proven ocean
@vivid vessel imagine if the boss has a 2nd secret phase
cinder relic
yep, so what ur saying is that sin st burst = sub st burst, and this week they w...
A 1% buff is irrelevant really
proven ocean
If it does it’ll be by far the hardest boss of all time
craggy barn
sin has the benefit of execute as well so
proven ocean
And it wont even be close
cinder relic
The reason sub is better on these encounters is timers and literally dance damage
Like having damage outside of blades does matter
Maybe on lura now u play sin tho. Depends on Ur comp
proven ocean
What like what
cinder relic
Archimond, kj, uunat
proven ocean
cinder relic
I think unironically halondrus was harder as well
final pagoda
Maybe on lura now u play sin tho. Depends on Ur comp
why sin on lura? 
cinder relic
why sin on lura? <a:PepeHmm:542464742820806666>
Cuz it does slightly more st, and execute
Idk what cd timers are like tho
craggy barn
wasnt halo drus nerfed bigger and still needed a fuck ton of pulls
cinder relic
Idt u understand how hard halondrus was pre Nerf LOL
inland meteor
uunat had only pieces competing no? echo (or was it method stil) and liquid werent competing
final pagoda
whats up with sub timers to make it so compelling? didnt play sub since DF
cinder relic
whats up with sub timers to make it so compelling? didnt play sub since DF
It's a 1:30 while sin is 2
proven ocean
Idt u understand how hard halondrus was pre Nerf LOL
They are approaching 500 pulls
cinder relic
Some fights 2 just lines up better. Others 1:30 does
proven ocean
How much did halondrus take for echo
cinder relic
I think halondrus was like 400 or smthing
final pagoda
what abour AR? 
cinder relic
proven ocean
Its not even om par with tindral
final pagoda
are you guys actually switching spec for prog?
cinder relic
Depends on the Tier but sometimes
Like undermine you should have gone sin for mugzee
proven ocean
Brother all bosses in legion are way easier than today’s bosses
gray summit
!haste
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.
- You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
- Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
- You have to use
Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.
inland meteor
liquid p4 soon lock in
proven ocean
Im very convinced this boss will be a rly big challenge for top guilds
gaunt phoenix
guys we need 25% or 21-23% ?
NEED 21-23, but 25 is still good
proven ocean
It has alot of coordination that’ll break guilds
gaunt phoenix
After 21-23 you just sim
inland meteor
Only uunat
uunat had only a top 3 or 4 guild competing for world first so cant say for sure
jagged plover
this time forreal
proven ocean
inland meteor
dead on my screen already
proven ocean
craggy barn
LFG
jagged plover
craggy barn
CLEAN
jagged plover
that pull was insane
hollow temple
its over boys
jagged plover
gg
proven ocean
Its over
hollow temple
proven ocean
Crazy pull
hollow temple
i'm surprised they won ngl
dim parrot
Dope
inland meteor
thgat pull was perfect
dim parrot
Now they nerf ranged specs and buff BF ??!
jagged plover
didnt they dick dimmy after lunch too
dim parrot
Class tuning release in 2 hours plz
gaunt phoenix
It's joever...
waxen scarab
@tepid skiff gg bro
inland meteor
insane race
vivid vessel
@tepid skiff gg
tropic zephyr
jpc diff really
jagged plover
washed?
vivid vessel
They really got outclassed
everytier you are gonna do that bro
echo > liquid all tier then echo loses
proven ocean
They are actually washed up tho
vivid vessel
echo bad 
proven ocean
echo > liquid all tier then echo loses
???
jagged plover
gingi is washed 
tepid skiff
vivid vessel
echo > liquid lol ? !
near rock
NA is just too good
proven ocean
I just meme
vivid vessel
im a liquid enjoyer myself
jagged plover
i vouch for mr exile
vivid vessel
im exile and james fan
jagged plover
just a god man
proven ocean
Im excited for gingi’s tweets
vivid vessel
so im liquid enjoyer
craggy barn
big liquid enjoyers here
jagged plover
i think liquid has a lot more eu fans than echo has na fans
inland meteor
Im excited for gingi’s tweets
the worst part of the rwf every time
proven ocean
im exile and james fan
Im a james air conditioner how about that bozo
tepid skiff
i was worried cuz echo were lookin real solid but in the end the boys are just too clutch when it counts
craggy barn
i think liquid has a lot more eu fans than echo has na fans
im pretty sure theres just more people in eu that care about wow and the race than in us
jagged plover
i mean probably but even if u did it % wise
proven ocean
i was worried cuz echo were lookin real solid but in the end the boys are just t...
I mean its clear liquid is way better
craggy barn
that post lunch clutch
vivid vessel
i think liquid has a lot more eu fans than echo has na fans
tbf liquid is kinda the for fun team with a bunch of friends
proven ocean
They technically won twice
vivid vessel
echo doesnt give off the same vibe
craggy barn
liquid is just goated after food
proven ocean
On the same boss
jagged plover
tbf liquid is kinda the for fun team with a bunch of friends
thats why i like them
the vibes are immaculate
inland meteor
the vibes of TL are lowkey cringe too though
proven ocean
vivid vessel
I think they fight off stream too
inland meteor
hey remember u got work tomorrow
proven ocean
Fk
True
Also
Bring yarrgi back to eu ty
Wait i dont play the game anymore he can stay there np
inland meteor
might be time to bring methodjosh back
cinder relic
might be time to bring methodjosh back
?
proven ocean
It hurts my eyes to see that
hollow temple
It hurts my eyes to see that
🫗
proven ocean
🫗
@vivid vessel idk i think it’ll be liquid sided forever
Because this was a fair race
No headstart lost echo anything
So
Echo just has some old players imo
inland meteor
watch them kill it now they seem to be on a good pull
hollow temple
i'm kinda surprised echo did as good as they did
after losing so many players
to method
jagged plover
im not good enough to know what's the problem with echo
but ill just blame cringi
proven ocean
after losing so many players
I mean thats not rly the issue
frail veldt
NA kings
proven ocean
They have current non giga good players in the roster
hollow temple
I mean thats not rly the issue
ik i just thought they'd do worse
proven ocean
Ya
frail veldt
tbf liquid is kinda the for fun team with a bunch of friends
In da clerb we all fam
vivid vessel
yes
inland meteor
echo p4 all aliuve they might actually do it
proven ocean
Idk like losing gcds and moving as a melee to miss few gcds is just straight up skill issue
vivid vessel
they lost some of their best players
grave rose
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vivid vessel
zaelia
jagged plover
yeah
proven ocean
Zaelia was easily their best healer but
proven ocean
He got semi cancelled so
vivid vessel
who won
hollow temple
what if they kill now ?!
hollow temple
kill 10 minutes behind, but they are ahead by several HOURS in time zone !
jagged plover
time zone win, hours till reset win, healthcare win
proven ocean
1% wipe
proven ocean
hollow temple
something like that ya
proven ocean
If echo killed it the next pull like they just wiped
It would’ve been peak twitter drama
jagged plover
they probably kill if liquid hadnt
proven ocean
jagged plover
not locked in
waxen scarab
It would’ve been peak twitter drama
indigo token
haha suck it eu
proven ocean
@vivid vessel why do i still like echo deep down
indigo token
might be time to bring methodjosh back
craggy barn
shrug
proven ocean
Ok lets hope theres some drama but
inland meteor
https://tenor.com/view/it%27s-time-to-stop-gif-9416155803997449261
it was a joke !!!!!
proven ocean
Prob not as much since it was a 1% wipe
copper radish
How does liquid keep doing it 😂
red zinc
inland meteor
Someone get zac in gingis superteam
proven ocean
How does liquid keep doing it 😂
Idk echo doesn’t have players that rly like the game
Thats my biggest take
Missing gcd’s and not moving too well by missing gcds is just idk
Cooked
Liquid was always ahead by a % or 2 sometimes more
In terms of phases progression
copper radish
Would be a real kicker if method ends up with the 2nd kill 😭
proven ocean
Shows the gap
hollow temple
How does liquid keep doing it 😂
the 22nd raider. Lua.
vivid vessel
every guild have that
inland meteor
Liquid was always ahead by a % or 2 sometimes more
Tbf I think echo was generally still better in p3 dmg wise
next wedge
echo should have won
proven ocean
Boss phased to secret before them casting the shield
hollow temple
every guild have that
Liquid have the Loa
copper radish
Tbf I think echo was generally still better in p3 dmg wise
Did they kill tho or
proven ocean
Lol
inland meteor
When they got into p3 it seemed way more chill for them dmg wise
next wedge
they just arent good enough
inland meteor
At the end of p3
inland meteor
I did, liquid wiped many more times at the very end of p3 than echo due to some missing dmg
proven ocean
I dont recall echo pushing it before having to place the light barrier thing
inland meteor
Every time echo got that far they reliably entered
proven ocean
I did, liquid wiped many more times at the very end of p3 than echo due to some ...
Cooked take
Ur literally just watching now when liquid just woke up
Meanwhile echo’s fully warmed up
And they’re still behind in %
copper radish
I did, liquid wiped many more times at the very end of p3 than echo due to some ...
Who is 9/9 tho
fluid meadow
I did, liquid wiped many more times at the very end of p3 than echo due to some ...
liquid pulls in last area was so many times around 15% which is the p4 angle, but they wipe so many times in mechanics yesterday too
inland meteor
Mfs acting like Im saying Echo played better the whole fight
When I’m literally just saying the very end of p3, rest was Liquid ez win obv
proven ocean
You can clearly see some of the echo players missing gcd’s as dpsers
Meanwhile liquid doesnt
If that doesnt explain to you enough idk what to tell you
copper radish
🇺🇸 🚀
sullen wyvern
whats the dmg difference between having skyfury and not?
percentage wise
if anyone knows
honest sparrow
waxen scarab
guys whos the black haired from liquid that was hiding ?
sullen wyvern
Thanks!
patent mirage
Outlaw!
vivid vessel
its ok bro
dont be mad you dont have raid buffs in your grp
thats just skill issue
i do 18% more damage than you
cause im better
hollow temple
keen belfry
i dare u to go into a key with one raid buff
i barely beat and sometimes lose to noobs
thoughts?
copper radish
i dare u to go into a key with one raid buff
He should do one without a brew and shaman
glass mortar
not good awang....
keen belfry
668??
copper radish
668 ilvl...
Did we go back in time to TWW lol
copper radish
Is flurry uncapped by then
glass mortar
no
???
its never happening in a million years
outlaw hardcoded to 8 targets or something it would break the servers to fix
leaden sonnet
its huge for sub huh
Ye like 80% of subs combo points come from auto attacks
glass mortar
i just did a 10 where we had a weak healer and i had ti feint every mechanic....
leaden sonnet
So getting 20% more auto attacks is very good
keen belfry
i have no energy awang........
imagine doing small pulls in seat where u feint on cd
pugging is annoying
frail veldt
I thought you said you only pug
dim parrot
Awang u post ur own keys?
keen belfry
yeah
jagged plover
that wipe lmao
gray summit
but guys, with 21-23% of haste, we have the 0,8sec of gcd ?
i was so focus on the 25%
when adr
fiery timber
icy hare
Looks like he’s done a lot of keys
keen belfry
people that complain about not getting invited just need to list their key lmao
frail veldt
people that complain about not getting invited just need to list their key lmao
yeah if you have a key you want to run
keen belfry
if u have resi 14 and need 15s just time ur resi 14 and maybe its a key u need
and if u already timed in on 15
time it again and have 16 u need
gg
frail veldt
yeah 1/8 chance
it works early on in your res farming
but when you need like 1 specific key it can be annoying
keen belfry
if u need one key sure, and 1/8 chance is better than sitting in the lfg que!
and you get to play the game!
frail veldt
yeah it depends how long you have to play
if youre only on for like 1-2 hours then its like
kinda scuffed
keen belfry
if u have low time to play and u sepnd ur time in lfg u are also being skill gapped
frail veldt
yeeah it sucks both ways
lavish siren
what's the haste cap? 25%?
!STATS
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.
- You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
- Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
- You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.
sullen wyvern
thanks!
elder sonnet
elder sonnet
i still don't understand how they manage to nerf BF while we're bottom of the barrel
elder sonnet
this is points
it still means we're not really doing well in m+ doesn't it
blissful gate
trim harbor
All rouge specs blast in m+ rn
novel isle
i still don't understand how they manage to nerf BF while we're bottom of the ba...
not by much tbh
that graph looks pretty balanced
vivid vessel
because its not a damage graph xd
novel isle
where damage one
vivid vessel
there is none
dim parrot
Zac send damage graph
vivid vessel
for keys
vivid vessel
kind of things is still pretty missleading tho
as no one logs keys
keys isnt like raid guys
there is like 3 people logging keys
novel isle
933 outlaws did
hollow temple
933 runs
wide coral
3 outlaws logged 311 keys actually
hollow temple
not rogues
vivid vessel
ye and prolly 2 people logging higher than 17 keys
novel isle
easter mog
dim parrot
I’m so hungry
Bro I been watching YouTube food reels for 2 hours cuz I’m starving at work
Might be a Chinese food angle tonight
dim parrot
Y’all F with sweet and sour chicken balls or nah
keen belfry
Yeah
dim parrot
Chow mein is non negotiable
mystic berry
as no one logs keys
and the people who does, usually are good at the class
so it skews
every spec below 1k is skewed af tho
novel isle
Guys what would we say is the most important thing for ST DPS with outlaw?
fathom bramble
beyond incredibly trivial stuff like remembering to cast finishers instead of exclusively generators it would be keeping up with the speed of the rotation
no matter what other optimizations you are hitting your damage will go to shit if you are constantly missing gcds
novel isle
my AOE im usually at top DPS but when I get to ST I fall off a cliff compared to my team
keen belfry
beyond incredibly trivial stuff like remembering to cast finishers instead of ex...
what about genetics
need the gamer gene
keen belfry
Guys what would we say is the most important thing for ST DPS with outlaw?
what lok said is right, but theres really no one thing. most low dps stems from missed gcds, improper builder usage, rtb stuff, pressing stuff on cd
keen belfry
and smarter
and when they are up
and when ur supposed to
and when awang tells you
novel isle
also need to pray
fathom bramble
my AOE im usually at top DPS but when I get to ST I fall off a cliff compared to...
it's hard to say why this is happening without more context
could be as simple as your teammates throwing on aoe by saving cds for bosses
wide coral
Im always bottom dps aoe or st
fathom bramble
biggest thing you can do is focus on speed
you'll stop making big mistakes eventually with practice
novel isle
could be as simple as your teammates throwing on aoe by saving cds for bosses
I usually seeing it in the big first pulls
fathom bramble
but if you are slow and never get faster then it's just bad dps forever
novel isle
that im top
fathom bramble
are you running prep?
glass grove
!sheet
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celest cobalt
wish i wasnt dog ass at outlaw in keys, playing sub like a shmuck. feels gross.
idk how zac does it.
wintry solar
You kinda answered your question there
coral wyvern
I 100% love outlaw, but would be bad to craft a dagger instead of a one handed sword?
for my off hand
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Zero In, and also slightly more 
Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.
It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.
coral wyvern
yeah, but most people craft MH one handed sword
would I be losing anything crafting a dagger OH instead?
fathom bramble
dagger OH will be less damage than a MH sword
it's very reasonable to just craft both
coral wyvern
lol yeah
i mean, i dont plan to play any other spec, but maybe i feel inclined to play assa in raids
assa seems kinda stronk rn
wintry solar
If you're not 100% don't craft sword mh
mystic berry
so did the race end?
been raiding so I didnt check it
ah yeah saw it now
echo choked hard
quaint mauve
echo choked hard
gingi was crashing out
wide coral
keen belfry
@quaint mauve
quaint mauve
open coyote
is Killing spree with trickster alot weaker than the fatebound build in M+ ? or is it a small difference
frail veldt
is Killing spree with trickster alot weaker than the fatebound build in M+ ? or ...
2-5%
depending on your haste
trickster needs more afaik
thorny reef
i sure wish they would buff killing spree, they change the spell and nerf it too hell afterwords.... makes no sense
keen belfry
they have to buff it and change it
i think its basically impossible for it to be a good spell in its current design (ignore outrageous tuning)
its currently like a 1.5% gain to never press it in AR
stuck bane
is the 4% buff up today?
keen belfry
today as in tomorrow ye
serene urchin
they have to buff it and change it
old killing spree animation but its a builder instead. no aoe cap and just fills your cp bar
stuck bane
today as in tomorrow ye
iam eu
serene urchin
and like shorter channel time
stuck bane
they said 7th of april
keen belfry
u WANT old KS animation back???!?!?!
stuck bane
and today servers were down
vivid vessel
7th april na
serene urchin
yes sir u already know i be throwing my ass off the cliff
vivid vessel
why would it be live before reset
stuck bane
fuck i was hoping its today
stuck bane
you aint gonna do more dmaage anyway lil bro
yeah but iam doings 14 and 15 atm it will help me a bit i guess, i can beat my friends in dmg now which is enough for me 😆
keen belfry
its not really a gain in keys
it is for me
keen belfry
u just dont know how to utilizie it
vivid vessel
\
serene urchin
woah wut the hell man
vivid vessel
wangus
serene urchin
ok or make it like dh blade dance then thats kinda good no
vivid vessel
you are noob
keen belfry
you are noob
what?
vivid vessel
you are noob
stuck bane
zac i have a question
keen belfry
ask me instead
vivid vessel
no ask me
wintry solar
Don't ask me
keen belfry
im ready to asnwer
wintry solar
Me too
stuck bane
in ur high keys as outlaw playing with your premade, whats ur end overall dmg and do you top the meters or are you always 3rd in dps
vivid vessel
i also am ready to answer
stuck bane
genuine question
vivid vessel
idk
keen belfry
i win sometimes
vivid vessel
sometimes i top
keen belfry
most times
vivid vessel
sometimes
keen belfry
depends on key
vivid vessel
i dont
wintry solar
I win sometimes
vivid vessel
arms seems like its gonna gap me
keen belfry
it is
serene urchin
ur overall is entirely dependant on tank
vivid vessel
i think i will end the season bottom dps every dungeon
keen belfry
zac do u win in skyreach
cinder relic
Arms was bad, and then it got buffed, and then it got buffed, and then it got buffed, and then it got buffed, and then it got buffed
keen belfry
i think i lost my last one
and it was good warr i play with
and tank pulled tiny before
serene urchin
last i did i did
surely he was pulling those stair packs together right
vivid vessel
but like im highest ilvl in my grp rn
serene urchin
not that 3 mob cleave bs some tanks do
vivid vessel
and im losing most keys
to war or cat
and they will scale with key level
i wont really
keen belfry
i thionk feral is suer good
vivid vessel
and they will gain gear
keen belfry
super good
vivid vessel
yes
keen belfry
only thing feral bad at is ST
vivid vessel
i just expect to end the season bottom dps every key rn
keen belfry
but they do massive dmg in keys
vivid vessel
also if my feral was murtaz still i think he would gap me more
stuck bane
so in ur opinion sin is better in keys and raids?
keen belfry
also if my feral was murtaz still i think he would gap me more
murt is goat no cap
keen belfry
na vs eu feral druids are so funny zac
serene urchin
no play base
serene urchin
we gotta start outlaw academy and recruit more outlaws bro
vivid vessel
is hilarous
they took time out of their day
to bring bf down
while its the worse rogue spec in keys
idk
make it make sense
proven ocean
keen belfry
vivid vessel
when you think about the fact
that a guy
on the tuning team
actually went and was like
hm
i should reduce bf number
outlaw is dominating rn
serene urchin
there deadass might not be a single employee on the balance team that has had more than an hour on outlaw
night pendant
Hi there, after the buff, is the outlaw playable now?
vivid vessel
when r4 outlaw is awang you know its trully over
no one playing the spec
noah fence
wintry solar
Hi there, after the buff, is the outlaw playable now?
Yes
vivid vessel
Hi there, after the buff, is the outlaw playable now?
there was no buffs
wowhead article title is legit criminal
wintry solar
Tbf they didn't do the math to know if it was actually a buff or not
They still shouldn't have said that though
keen belfry
when r4 outlaw is awang you know its trully over
ayo?
vivid vessel
no but the fact there is legit 1 outlaw player in the world, everyone else is sub or assa, sub and assa both doing more aoe
and they feel the need
to nerf bf
ok bud
keep them coming
keen belfry
2 outlaws ok?
vivid vessel
will be waiting for next tuning patch
keen belfry
how dare you
vivid vessel
maybe we get another bf nerf
outlaw too strong
dominate the meta rn
devourer got buffed btw
keen belfry
vivid vessel
have you ever been r4 outlaw wang
wintry solar
Devourer? But I hardler know 'er
keen belfry
i was the same spot last season early season ish
vivid vessel
it will continue to go down every season
since they seem to want outlaw to be worse every season
vivid vessel
till its complete unplayable garbage
maybe one day i have enough and i finally reroll
reroll game prolly
vivid vessel
and yet
they still managed to make the spec less fun
for the 3 people still playing it
kinda crazy no
keen belfry
it was a bold design philsophy to make the only people playing a spec not like it as much anymore
in hopes to bring up the playerbase
wintry solar
It's def more accessible
keen belfry
i mean we were legit talking in here all beta/alpha that somehow they are going to make outlaw playerbase go down
vivid vessel
in hopes to bring up the playerbase
gonna be hard when you make the spec turbo garbage every season
- you make it even worse every season
cause idk
someone at blizzard seems to not like outlaw
serene urchin
all the people who said shit like "if only RTB wasnt like this i would play outlaw" and then after the changes didnt even touch outlaw
fuck those guys
vivid vessel
all the people who said shit like "if only RTB wasnt like this i would play outl...
im surprised
classic enjoyer not playing retails ?
ye
serene urchin
its legit like perma top post about outlaw on blizz forums too
always rtb complexity complaints as the main reason they dont play law
wintry solar
I'm having too good a night at work, I'm gonna go read that thread again
serene urchin
its just so depressing man, you can tell the way they complain about outlaw that they never wouldve even played it ever, even if they got every single change they wanted
restive mango
I don't get that because it was highly improbable not to end up with every buff for most of a given fight with old RTB. And there were always tools to know when to roll and why
serene urchin
they probably removed weakauras and then went "oh fuck we forgot about outlaw rtb tracking"
restive mango
there's no way to play the spec now to work towards a 3 or 4 roll. you just lock in 2 and hope for better variance
but before I could work my way up to 4 or 5 buffs consistently
its more rng now than it was
quiet ore
Current iteration of outlaw is fine enough to play (even if haste tax destroys sub-optimal gearing), just not tuned well, especially in ST. You'd think with bf hitting so low%, we'd finally be ST gods or have increased target cap, but nope - we're just mid at aoe and bad at ST. Tbh, finisher damage is, imo, the biggest issue - neither dispatch nor btte hit hard enough rn. Dispatch actually hits harder than btte once you consider all the residuals (apex) - making btte only the play because of the stacking buff and resource gen from ace, which is NOT where it should be (and that's basically down to the imp. btte and rtb buffs nerf).
wintry solar
I'm fine with this for just an expansion
keen belfry
Current iteration of outlaw is fine enough to play (even if haste tax destroys s...
spec would be very funif haste fixes, energy fixes, low target stuff, and mini prep rework
smoky lotus
not to mention getting 100% jackpot just puts you equal / still less than other classes, and everything else just pushes you further down
wintry solar
AN expansion
restive mango
I don't like how much better it feels to hit triple threat/jackpot when I can't control that happening outside maximizing loaded dice. Spec is mid af with just double trouble
cinder relic
its more rng now than it was
the variance is about the same
serene urchin
u just feel it more ig
restive mango
I'm sure the math is right but it feels worse, like I have fewer moves to make
serene urchin
hitting 2 into 2 into 2 is just unbridled cancer
vivid vessel
i legit double my dps on some pulls for no reason at all
no clue
i just played better i guess
variance in aoe is just infinte idk
serene urchin
i just played better i guess
i legit get ts so often
quiet ore
i legit double my dps on some pulls for no reason at all
3-or-4 buff plus ace proc rng in AoE 🙂
frail veldt
the variance is about the same
the sim variance is for 5 minute fights but shorter fight variance and aoe variance is a lot higher
serene urchin
some dungeons if i notice im high rolling im just 20-30k higher on overall
frail veldt
yeah dungeon variance is a lot higher than before
vivid vessel
deft is prolly like
we ahvent really looked at it
but im sure deft is infinite value rn in aoe
like legit infnite
so the difference with getting cdr or not
if i speak
frail veldt
and BR
quiet ore
Yeah, deft + big CDR is big resources is big CDR is big (uncapped) AoE through br
frail veldt
its pretty substantial yeah
vivid vessel
the fact they actually softcapped br
cause outlaw would have been too strong with an uncapped spell doing damage
serene urchin
the fact they actually softcapped br
when did they do this wtf
vivid vessel
midnight
frail veldt
always
quiet ore
Like using deft bf as every other builder on AoE when you're blasting
frail veldt
wdym
vivid vessel
br was uncapped
frail veldt
br was soft capped in tww
vivid vessel
no
cinder relic
nop
wintry solar
It was not
wintry solar
Yeah
vivid vessel
im fr fr
serene urchin
oh man they even took that wow
wintry solar
Actually really uncapped
vivid vessel
you never pressed it in tww so you dont know
serene urchin
yeah i was always under the impression that br was still uncapped
frail veldt
why didnt we run it in aoe
vivid vessel
ye and it was uncapped in df
frail veldt
was it still that bad?
frail veldt
just piss damage uncapped is still piss
vivid vessel
br has always been turbo dog damage
frail veldt
wild
wintry solar
Hypothetically
vivid vessel
br isnt even 10% of our aoe in the biggest pulls there is in a key bro
can uncap it all you want
its not 50% of our aoe
wintry solar
imagine if half our aoe was raw uncapped and half was hard capped rofl
I understood mewo
And yes that'd be ridiculous
vivid vessel
what
quiet ore
br isnt even 10% of our aoe in the biggest pulls there is in a key bro
"our biggest source of damage outside of finishers and auto attacks" but that ain't a high bar
frail veldt
can you sim above 10 target patchwerk?
vivid vessel
yes if you manually input thre nnumber
frail veldt
yes if you manually input thre nnumber
how do I get the settings in the input to override the simulation options though
like I can set enemy_count but it just gets overwritten
vivid vessel
noob
vivid vessel
desired_targets=8
frail veldt
doesnt override the simulation options still
frail veldt
im doing advanced
oh nvm the UI just lied to me
my dps went up
it says patchwer 10 still
but it aint
vivid vessel
yes
wintry solar
patchwer
frail veldt
atchwe
wintry solar
tchw
vivid vessel
real american
jolly geyser
wintry solar
Yeah it's really comfy
Pretty slim for a double stack 9mm
It's European though so the slide release is hard to reach
wintry solar
Well in my defense someone asked for my credentials
sullen wyvern
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
vague cape
Your spec spamming guns man
wintry solar
You can't talk the talk and not walk the walk
river wing
Why are we posting firearms in a rogue discord now
the only other gun user in the game has basically forgotten they can use something but bows, so
river wing
all the people who said shit like "if only RTB wasnt like this i would play outl...
I did, the new RtB is fine by me tbh
patent mirage
Outlaw!!
wintry solar
I'm waiting for the S2 tierset to make it better
sullen wyvern
@cinder relic hi
icy cedar
I have just discovered if you accidentally have platynator and plater on, instead of getting errors, you end up with everymod having two nameplates
every mob*
feels like multiple nameplates for mobs could be abused somehow
icy cedar
😮
thin fiber
i play with 3 nameplates per mobs
can imagine how your screen would look like on a 15pack pull
icy cedar
I meant in terms of hacky workarounds people be doing 😭
hasty warren
Hi pirates
tropic zephyr
Do we have feelycraft rules with gravedigger stacks?
river wing
naw just send
like it's very unlikely you'll overcap on them
bc if you send BtE at 5 stacks, you can go at least 5 more Dispatches before you start to overcap
which would just bring BtE back up
tropic zephyr
Like how bad/neutral/ok is it to hold AR for a few GCD to align AR with 6 stacks GD and BtE
river wing
GD BtE is kinda bad because it doesn't have Zero In stacked
river wing
yeah but you send GD BtE right off to maximize good BtE casts
which means you just don't have the chance to stack Zero In again
maybe a couple stacks make it in, sure, but not 10+
tropic zephyr
Yeah I'm talking about holding AR still
Like in this clip where Zac blasted 700k
vivid vessel
nice clip bro
tropic zephyr
But this is with prep and like two GCD hold
tropic zephyr
nice clip bro
Ye
gaunt palm
Is it troll to play law on crown mythic prog? what can I tell my RL to cope?
proven ocean
Tell him i can compete with hunter pet dps
That way you’ll have more credit than u deserve as an outlaw
prisma lantern
Blade flurry needed it to be honest.
OL was doing nearly half of MMs damage on 2 target cleave.
hollow temple
r u excited for outlaw nerf tomorrow
he's too busy training woodcutting to care
hollow temple
sad !
i was tellin ross yesterday
do the blitz bracket for 1950
sleeper op strat
hollow temple
its the solo q rated BG bracket
hollow temple
i'm tellin u
vivid vessel
if im doing pvp i wanna do the solo q thing
hollow temple
it is solo q
vivid vessel
is it 3v3
proven ocean
thats so boring tho no
ye its giga boring dont do trust trust
hollow temple
don't listen to this scrub
hollow temple
ok fak u both bye
proven ocean
i would never listen to a pvp guy
Ty zac is knew i could trust you buddy
vivid vessel
whadafuck
proven ocean
I knew*
vivid vessel
ban this guy no
wintry solar
ok fak u both bye
They're PvErs, they prolly don't even have kick bound
vivid vessel
?
wintry solar
!!!
vivid vessel
i prolly kick more than you buddy
wintry solar
Caparonie and cheese
tropic zephyr
They're PvErs, they prolly don't even have kick bound
Imagine get fake kicked by a mob
vivid vessel
happens all the time
tropic zephyr
wintry solar
Mobs should absolutely juke kicks
wintry solar
Moreso
vivid vessel
ever tried mouseovering a kick on a 20 mobs pack ?
now ever tried doing it in mindihgt ?
ye thats what i thought buddy
tiny onyx
ever tried mouseovering a kick on a 20 mobs pack ?
what did you drop to add in prep for your M+ talents
wintry solar
Now imagine that mob you managed to actually target spam straffed
wintry solar
Nuh uh
tropic zephyr
1 point in summarily dispatched
cursive gyro
people ask me why i have a crosshair in the middle of my screen
what do you use for that btw? feel like you probably have it listed in some guide somewhere I guess.
eternal hound
Do we have to run prep all the time
cursive gyro
Do we have to run prep all the time
you don't HAVE to run anything.
vivid vessel
what do you use for that btw? feel like you probably have it listed in some guid...
its a weakaura
eternal hound
you don't HAVE to run anything.
Instructions unclear my talents no longer exist
cursive gyro
its a weakaura
does it need to be an addon? I can turn it into an one if you're not fucking with me.
tiny onyx
what do you use for that btw? feel like you probably have it listed in some guid...
Wildutools (addon) also has that feature if you prefer an addon
vivid vessel
i dont udnerstand what you mean
cursive gyro
I'm under the impression weakauras are gone - and so you'd be using an old one and just running with no updates on it. The functionality could be an addon if you're not using an addon to render it currently. /s listed one though so I wouldn't bother given thats the case.
I know a lot of weakauras haven't necessarily been made into addons yet.
cinder relic
U can get a fork of weakauras that works on live
Idk how public it is, its kind of iykyk type things still afaik
cursive gyro
U can get a fork of weakauras that works on live
this is the context I was missing. I figured we'd have a WA replacement sooner or later.
hollow tartan
How bad/good is our cleave in this next patch
vivid vessel
our low target cleave is one of the worse in the game
our 5 to 8 target aoe cleave is mid
tiny onyx
we just gotta wait till they introduce an item that has effects like that one ring in dragonflight
hollow temple
explain
what more is there to explain
weakauras was open source, so someone made a fork of it which you can still use in midnight
most of the old auras are still not possible
like 90% of combat stuff
hollow temple
how
haughty wigeon
most of the old auras are still not possible
Is it something I can download somewhere?
hollow temple
i mean, technically yes?