I have an opportunity if I really push tonight to be the first main Trickster to reach 3k in the world lol
#outlaw
undone notch
vapid blaze
wasnt rogue doing kinda ok damage towards the end?
cinder relic
Rogue is like, bring able on the boss
placid ocean
I have an opportunity if I really push tonight to be the first main Trickster to...
Does it still count if you're the only trickster
keen belfry
bringable where their dr is worth
i wanna see dmg to boss logs
i hate details so much when aug isback
why dmg meter back to looking like this
#removeaug
keen belfry
its both cuh
keen belfry
i wanna see dmg to boss logs
@proven ocean
frail veldt
why dmg meter back to looking like this
Doesn't Aug buff all DPS equally now
keen belfry
i thought so
cinder relic
that that's our bar
I mean its not great but it could literally be worse
keen belfry
buthe was talking about how it doesnt
idk how aug works
he said details dont matter anymore again cuz aug and adds
cinder relic
Details doesn't matter cuz adds
frail veldt
yeah p sure aug affects all dps the same noww
it takes their stat bonus and divides it amongst all dps in range
vapid blaze
Doesn't Aug buff all DPS equally now
presience is still there no
keen belfry
i guess yeah
keen belfry
you want it to fill red when casting, then start red at lose all red during cast ye?
vivid vessel
i want it to do the same as plates ye
it should be filled red and deplete
from right to left
keen belfry
makes sense
orientation is all it need sthen i think
ii think u did that before stream ended
final pagoda
I mean they just changed dudu to priest on pull 378
keen belfry
same player?
keen belfry
if its not same player thats wild but respect to echo
cinder relic
The boss also does deal a lot of fucking damage and atro does help
Are they even dying to damage
Aren't they just dying to dying in p4
vivid vessel
ok but when is liquid waking up
keen belfry
rem vibes
tame sail
Is anyone with ayijiecdm not able to see defensives in the "defensives" section?
heavy shadow
I see FAQ suggests Darkmoon Sigil: Hunt or Void or weap craft
any diff?
can you sim that in fact?
gaunt phoenix
you can
in top gear, use item search to add 285 farstrider's mercy to your bags (i forgor dagger name)
then click the + on the item in your bags to generate an embellished version
tight kernel
gg echo?
vivid vessel
ech9o killing right
vivid vessel
gg
vivid vessel
no they played late yesterday
tight kernel
like 1am
jolly geyser
12%
formal knot
just survive the circle phase lol or?
hardy thicket
Liquid is cooking obv
inland meteor
who inted that last pull
hardy thicket
Going to show up slam it once they start. They're chillin watching Echo
vivid vessel
thats why they slept long prolly
last time they did that they woke up and created infinite damage on that bird guy no
inland meteor
more brainpower unlocked
jagged plover
wake and bake the boss
mystic berry
They were so confident echo would choke that they long slept
jagged plover
aura farming
inland meteor
echo simply waited to kill so liquid could see it with their own eyes live
they will kill it now
does this look like aura farming to u
he knows
its over for him
main shadow
horrible frame for the camera to freeze XD
vivid vessel
does this look like aura farming to u
echo wont pass p3 anymore, that wipe was too much for the mental
now liquid is fresh from bed
their theorycrafters worked all day to create absolute turbo damage
from nothing
they kill in 1h top
inland meteor
believe
just one p4 without some giga inter
but idk if they have enough dmg anyways wasnt the boss casting enrage in that last pull already and they still had 10% to go
might be over
vivid vessel
yes
craggy barn
what did echo get to
vivid vessel
i think it was low hp wipe
inland meteor
what did echo get to
11.8%
vivid vessel
what did echo get to
14% and someone trolled bombed the raid
keen belfry
i dont think they had it even without that troll
the enrage cast was about to go off
inland meteor
ye, i wonder if its possible to move lust
keen belfry
needed 12% in 2 seconds
vivid vessel
ye
vivid vessel
but i think they have more than 2s
mystic berry
Echo is running on fumes at this point
vivid vessel
i think its the start of the cast
vivid vessel
i think they were dying a bit after
and they were doing 15% in 10s
the 15% before that
so idk
might hav e been close
eternal hound
did echo raid all night?
inland meteor
did echo raid all night?
nah for 10 hours atm
eternal hound
Jesus
quiet ore
2 lust fight
Relearning the fight with this kinda lust timing is gonna be rough if it's necessary for clear
inland meteor
buit they probably barely slept last night anyways because of nerves
inland meteor
Relearning the fight with this kinda lust timing is gonna be rough if it's neces...
ye
if its reset angle its cooked for EU
eternal hound
Echo is just omega cooked ain't no way they can kill with that kinda stress
inland meteor
but we will have to see maybe liquid can kill it without
inland meteor
theyll lock back in soon trust
keen belfry
u think exile agrees?
quiet ore
but we will have to see maybe liquid can kill it without
No doubt other guilds that have been tracking liquid's progress are doing lust on pull from the start now, though
inland meteor
get awang in there
jagged plover
dinner debuff food coma
prisma lantern
u think exile agrees?
BF has to be good at low target cleave though - it's target capped. 👀
mystic berry
u think exile agrees?
its exactly 8 adds?
keen belfry
nothing came up
inland meteor
ye its locked behind patreon paywalled ui sorry
final pagoda
gimme 1 reason to use wangbar and not just whatever cdm addon has integrated
latent oak
final pagoda
fair enough
jagged plover
jesus people sure have a lot of channel points
quaint mauve
patent mirage
outlaw!
eternal hound
Wait fr
quiet ore
nvm they are equipping their hunters with guns instead
Boomstick on survival more like
inland meteor
true
vivid vessel
bro liquid is under 10h sleep buff
jagged plover
they are kinda blasting
vivid vessel
its so over
frail veldt
Liquids got this
inland meteor
echo cant even get past p1 atm its over
quaint mauve
wtf zac hater
quiet ore
echo cant even get past p1 atm its over
Liquid last night at 1am
proven ocean
@vivid vessel oh both echo and liquid awake
????????
how echo no kill
?
noob or
final pagoda
they had akill
somebody threw at the last second
probably bet against echo on polymarket
final pagoda
probably, not sure how many had defensives for enrage
but it was their best try so far
light kernel
if they ran 2x outlaw boss would be dead tho
final pagoda
someone ask exile to switch outlaw for 1 pull
proven ocean
@vivid vessel how many guilds can kill this version of lura
u think
could be only 200~?
vivid vessel
no one killing this shit
vivid vessel
you have toconsider they also have way more gear than anyone
proven ocean
u think no one at all?
vivid vessel
cause of splits
gaunt phoenix
I can do it ?
inland meteor
I can do it ?
its in the name
final pagoda
zac chill
gaunt phoenix
I can solo her
final pagoda
im 3k rio
inland meteor
lura is a him bro
vivid vessel
i mean they are 280 ilvl and they cant meet even the first damage check bro
proven ocean
idk
vivid vessel
- all the mechanic checks
proven ocean
i think if this boss is like
stayed like this
entire tier
i think only top 100 kills it
vivid vessel
we arent 280 till like
proven ocean
max
proven ocean
maybe less
would be exciting to see a rly hard to kill boss
noobs crying omgomg cant kill
thoughts?
craggy barn
zeross just kill it
proven ocean
lol or?
final pagoda
lol
craggy barn
hackermans?
vivid vessel
its nerfed for next reset anywya
final pagoda
if only liquid used zac ui...
proven ocean
if only liquid used zac ui...
proven ocean
its nerfed for next reset anywya
ya
i mean
if it gets nerfed then liquid insta kills tho
like on reset
cuz u just extend
and kill
lol
but
prob dies today anyway
inland meteor
i think they only nerf if one of the guilds killed
unless its legit impossible obv
glass mortar
dude watching that live
max was literally sitting there jaw agape for 5 minutes silently on stream
proven ocean
glass mortar
crazy stuff
proven ocean
now imagine if they kill it at the same time
and max gets happy but
echo kills it 5 sec faster
inland meteor
now imagine if they kill it at the same time
my dream for every rwf ive ever watched
proven ocean
max will not stream for an entire year
let alone an entire month on a regular loss
vivid vessel
max was literally sitting there jaw agape for 5 minutes silently on stream
funny thing is that max had been saying on stream for the past 3 weeks that there was 100% a secret phase
gaunt phoenix
if it goes tomorrow liquid gets 4% outlaw buff
craggy barn
how could echo kill if i dont see echo rog on the meters
vivid vessel
he knew and he still got surprised
craggy barn
??
glass mortar
yea i mean
u can tell he was yapping and had no idea
theres no way u fake that reaction
vivid vessel
nah
proven ocean
funny thing is that max had been saying on stream for the past 3 weeks that ther...
did he?
craggy barn
datamine
vivid vessel
because things were dataminded
vivid vessel
and apparently it was differnet from other datamines this tiemr
craggy barn
they got jebaited by gallywix
glass mortar
theres no way
vivid vessel
i mean
proven ocean
i mean
glass mortar
half the people who survived
proven ocean
if they knew
craggy barn
giga baited by how gallywix just fell over with nothing
proven ocean
well i guess some of them kinda knew
glass mortar
they would have thrown an intermission
proven ocean
they didnt like
glass mortar
for memes
proven ocean
blow up as usual
vivid vessel
i just think that the progress was so hard they kinda thought the secret phase got scraped or whatever
bue yes they knew
proven ocean
i just think that the progress was so hard they kinda thought the secret phase g...
yea
vivid vessel
before they pulled the boss
gaunt phoenix
They're professional actors twist
proven ocean
i mean this boss is actually crazy tho
vivid vessel
then of course after pulling a boss for 500 pulls
proven ocean
i rly hope they never nerf it ever
vivid vessel
i think you kinda forget about it
proven ocean
it'll be the best fight of all time if they do
light kernel
gg echo mental boom
proven ocean
gg echo mental boom
they are neck on neck
wouldnt say so
but
liquid is for sure better
craggy barn
it cannot be!
copper radish
Inb4 secret phase 5 
inland meteor
phase 5 illidan comes out and eyebeams the windchime
gaunt phoenix
G'huun emerges and devourers L'ura, you must fight G'huun'ra
cinder relic
i just think that the progress was so hard they kinda thought the secret phase g...
More specifically, most secret phases will cast at like, 5%
copper radish
phase 5 illidan comes out and eyebeams the windchime
Sylvannas gonna come out
cinder relic
Bit then it didn't happen at 5,abd the fight is hard as fuck so it's like
craggy barn
just giga jebait
cinder relic
Surely it's scrapped
vivid vessel
yeye
eternal hound
Idt any secret phase activates at 0%
When did gul'dan get illidan?
vivid vessel
what a banger fight tho
cinder relic
When did gul'dan get illidan?
Like 5-10% or smthing
eternal hound
Was imperator also like 5-10%?
cinder relic
It start the illidan roleplay at a medium high percent and then u have to burn him down before illidan comes out
vivid vessel
didnt sylvanas have something i dont rmemeber
peak dock
Excuse me for non mythic raider rogues that crafted a sword, is it worth to keep looting great vault as outlaw? Or should we loot as assa for oh?
eternal hound
didnt sylvanas have something i dont rmemeber
slyvie didn't
eternal hound
Ye
eternal hound
in mythic it was like 45%
inland meteor
ye she died at 45 instead of 50 or something
cinder relic
and then in mythic it was lower hp or smth
Last mythic phase was like, jailer
Wrong rely but
It's been while since we've had a mythic phase
eternal hound
Last mythic phase was like, jailer
Techincally it was gallywix but not really
craggy barn
idk gallywix was all secret phase 😛
timid portal
anyone have an addon or wa for the lura sign?
cinder relic
I'm glad they don't spam them, makes it cooler when they do use them
craggy barn
ye
eternal hound
Yeah
inland meteor
ye
craggy barn
big ye
vivid vessel
ye
vivid vessel
also i like how it redeemded this tier
eternal hound
but then mythic secret phases are lowkey the same thing without a checkpoint
vivid vessel
when its clearly the worse tier we have had in a while
cinder relic
March goog
vivid vessel
but then the end boss is such a banger
eternal hound
This tier is literally a one boss tier
vivid vessel
craggy barn
tru
cinder relic
This tier is literally a one boss tier
?
inland meteor
This tier is literally a one boss tier
i thought beloren was sick too
craggy barn
VS/DR giga dumpster
cinder relic
Are we pretending beleros is free?
copper radish
Is Warcraft logs down for anyone?
craggy barn
march op
proven ocean
I'm glad they don't spam them, makes it cooler when they do use them
very true
eternal hound
I'm not saying it's free
proven ocean
this is the most secret phase that shocked everyone in a while
eternal hound
I'm saying it's just...ya know, remarkable besides L'uura
light kernel
is wlogs down ?
craggy barn
why do people say it takes forever to get into keys as outlaw?
im getting like insta invites to 14s
eternal hound
why do people say it takes forever to get into keys as outlaw?
I get more invs then I do on my warr
inland meteor
ure built different
eternal hound
so lmao
craggy barn
shush zac u have a team
vivid vessel
cinder relic
Kinda like nath
Bro what
next wedge
yea i havent been pushing
cinder relic
Everybody who played nathria remembers sludge fist, slg and de atheius
inland meteor
sludgefist my archnemesis hated that mf
eternal hound
...I remeber it was at first
Also I remeber sludge because I fucking hated it
same with SLG
It was not fun
If you're gonna tell me sludge or SLG (espically SLG) were actually fun bosses I just don't believe you
Danny was the only really hype boss of the raid
opal raven
yo we got any replacement for the blade flurry mob number range counter weak aura please ?
dim parrot
cinder relic
If you're gonna tell me sludge or SLG (espically SLG) were actually fun bosses I...
Fun and remember able are two different things
vivid vessel
i know im right bro what do you mena
frail veldt
I'm just confirming
eternal hound
Fun and remember able are two different things
fair enough. I should've specficed that danny was the only actual fun fight
...maybe council
cinder haven
Is it a clusterfuck season like I thought or fun? Or both?
lime lake
...maybe council
i mean council of blood was definitely memorable at least
just from the voice lines alone
copper radish
Is it a clusterfuck season like I thought or fun? Or both?
Outlaw got buffed and nerfed at the same time 😭
eternal hound
i mean council of blood was definitely memorable at least
Trueeee
It was kind annoying as melee
But "PRANCE FORWARD"
"SHIMMY LEFT!"
"BOOGEY DOWN"
inland meteor
when arent boss designs annoying for melee tbf
copper radish
when arent boss designs annoying for melee tbf
Bring back 11yard outlaw melee range pls
inland meteor
i beg
cinder haven
But we can use guns do we don’t need long arms
copper radish
But we can use guns do we don’t need long arms
DW guns outlaw spec would be cool
still matrix
Dw we got a aoe nerf we deserved it
stuck sparrow
its called survival
inland meteor
DW guns outlaw spec would be cool
its all i want
copper radish
its called survival
Survival using DW daggers 😂
cinder haven
They are more interested in making new specs than fixing old I think
still matrix
Survival legit the better outlaw huh
still matrix
Might be time to get my new dagger spec ready
cinder haven
New specs gives better return on investment
still matrix
It was reworked more recently I guess. When the outlaw rework huh
stuck sparrow
technically just got reworked
copper radish
It was reworked more recently I guess. When the outlaw rework huh
Hunter got like 3 reworks in the last xpack and this one lol
cinder haven
Insert swimming pool meme
still matrix
Idk Just would be like this xpac I guess
copper radish
Does survival have more CDR than outlaw now too?
still matrix
Havent played Surv since last season idk if they did anything this season
copper radish
Havent played Surv since last season idk if they did anything this season
Boomstick
inland meteor
i just think besides boomstick the animations feel boring
same with sub
looks so boring
like what even is black powder bro
gaunt granite
!logs
inland meteor
liquid p4 with everyone alive is this it
jagged plover
boss looking giga dead
grave carbon
alkLFG
inland meteor
got one shot by starbeams i think
fluid meadow
nah blaze 8 deaths, just go out and die if can't dodge don't kill others
charred ferry
Buffs make spec alive?
devout garden
nah
cinder relic
Alklfg
indigo token
?
frail veldt
Yeesh, 1 shot mechanic or is the dps check that intense?
Both
proven ocean
@vivid vessel can u explain why perfecto taking dmg through cloak
doesnt make sense
no way the boss is shooting physical dmg
or
i wonder if evasion negates some of it
vivid vessel
on what
proven ocean
uhh
like before they go to raszageth phase
raszageth p3
thingy
they take pulsing dmg
they spread cuz of lines around them
end of p1 i think
YO ECHO BIG PULL
BOSS SO LOW HP
SECRET PHASE TIME
inland meteor
echo p4 all alive this is it for sure zero doubt about it
proven ocean
p4 ALL ALIVE
ALL BREZ AVAILABLE
WTF
THIS IS KILL
@vivid vessel
oops wrong gif
inland meteor
these fucking turbo inters put me in coach
quiet ore
THIS IS KILL
What just happened to them - they were fine and then suddenly... Not
near rock
echo needs to import some NA talent
inland meteor
the star beams
people get hit by them either by the star beam fella not moving properly or the others not dodging, idk what the exact issue is
inland meteor
prep off gcd when
fucking hate that button
no way they nerfed it https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-lura-hotfix-slight-nerf-to-secret-phase-381134
proven ocean
no way they nerfed it https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-lura-hotfix-slight-ner...
we dont know if its live yet
copper radish
we dont know if its live yet
They are waiting till echo goes on a break
proven ocean
that could be very possible
1 sec i need to make sure this hotfix is right.. 
@vivid vessel
this phase is what i meant
vivid vessel
ye
p1 intermission
cloak doesnt work on a lot of things
like the second part
idk why
doesnt work on this
proven ocean
interesting
proven ocean
why is it alot more common this expansion tho?
vivid vessel
its a magic imune only the first second
proven ocean
ah
vivid vessel
always has been
vivid vessel
ye like you can cloak bolts and shit
with the enitre part of cloak
but otherwise idk
proven ocean
its just weird ur immune to things
and not to others
idk
whats a good use for cloak 1 second tho i forgot what we used it for
inland meteor
cloak the bf nerf tomorrow
sick prawn
Surely those patch notes were misstyped and we are actually getting bf buff
long barn
Surely those patch notes were misstyped and we are actually getting bf buff
Nope. Us 100x Outlaw players globally are too chicken to do anything drastic enough to get anyone’s attention
onyx crane
hello, is the tooltip for the Trinket right? Cant see no Crit on the Gaze trinket?
cinder relic
hello, is the tooltip for the Trinket right? Cant see no Crit on the Gaze trinke...
Oops I thought I fixed that
cinder relic
That's the tool tip meant for the plume
Yeah
It's just the tool tip that's wrong there
Trinkets op
onyx crane
Alright thank you
Dumb question, im a filthy casual so i used Hekili in the past now im kinda using the Rotation assist button (while still tracking all my cd's) is that thing something worth using or should i just "learn" perfect rotation?
(i use the assist button as inidcator what to press next, not the button itself)
next wedge
highlight assist
learning is always better
learning lets you look more at your character and less at your bars
prisma lantern
1br kinda troll on outlaw.
Loses the most damage in the game to using it due to the gcd increase.
onyx crane
nono im not using the button, i just have it small as an indicator what to press i do use my own bar and have buttons memorized
have it next to my cds in the UI to keep track of it a bit
prisma lantern
Ah. That's probably fine I think. Not sure how accurate it is.
Might miss out on procs?
cinder relic
It's mostly correct afaik
onyx crane
Maybe, im still learning to use logs to Improve and slowly getting better at the moment
patent mirage
outlaw!
onyx crane
Altough it is now easier than the BtE spam from last expac was
copper radish
I think the game would break if outlaw ever hit S tier status
prisma lantern
Logs for OL kinda troll.
I'd recommend you just sim yourself with no bugs and hit a target dummy for a long long time.
patent mirage
it has been told in the ancient prophecy
onyx crane
Alright will try to fit that in thanks
patent mirage
if they ever buff bf the world would be undone
copper radish
if they ever buff bf the world would be undone
Uncap*
proven ocean
ECHO SECRET PHASE
prisma lantern
Alright will try to fit that in thanks
Idk, obviously they're good, but like. There's no hard and fast rule for logs in ol because of all the procs.
patent mirage
imagine all the outrage from mages and moonkins if outlaw was better than them
vivid vessel
@cinder relic are you playing crown
cinder relic
<@96834520417828864> are you playing crown
I am not seeing play until lura
cinder relic
Literally just thumb up my ass all raid
vivid vessel
I am not seeing play until lura
im getting cancer on the boss im ngl
proven ocean
entire phase
cinder relic
im getting cancer on the boss im ngl
Bro I sent u the tweet Lmfaoo
inland meteor
they adjusted star beams
inland meteor
seems easier now
cinder relic
LOLOL
red zinc
when you find out your goat is washed
cinder relic
Such a good tweet
inland meteor
pull again fools dont wait
patent mirage
outlaw!
patent mirage
how did they even buff devourer is beyond me
cinder relic
At least March is like, fine for rogue
cinder relic
Because unironically it's a skill spec and on week 1 a lot of noobs were just eating shit on it
So it did no dmg
patent mirage
welp
cinder relic
It's beyond idiotic to buff it
patent mirage
and now it does great dmg
prisma lantern
It was doing great damage before they announce the buff, lol.
cinder relic
Here's the flowchart for this tier
inland meteor
ECHO KILLING
if liquid makes it to the phase its gotta be dead surely, but they havent made it in a long time
cinder relic
If you are a ranged dps, you are God
patent mirage
idk why they are so keen on keeping bf like that
cinder relic
If you are melee, go to the bench
patent mirage
softcap that shit already
cinder relic
(unless u r arms or ret or udk
copper radish
If you are a ranged dps, you are God
MM reigning supreme
copper radish
Devourer a fun time ngl
patent mirage
warlocks the masters of sandbagging
vivid vessel
the fact you can have to drop puddles as melee
patent mirage
after moonkins ofc
inland meteor
its so annoying, everything sucks ass for melee man
inland meteor
the fact you can have to drop puddles as melee
and mobs with big ass auras around them almost one shotting u
vivid vessel
but then also you have to aim the lines not at range
patent mirage
i have a very good idea of how to buff outlaw right now
cinder relic
Dw though u need dks for grip (not a raid buff)
patent mirage
it is a great spell
vivid vessel
help me bro
patent mirage
called acrobatic strikes extra range
prisma lantern
Wtb old acrobatic strikes
cinder relic
Yeah I mean there's a reason every encounter is a minimal melee dps comp
Its both tuning and mechanics
I mean look at lura, that should legit be a 10 melee fight
But n0pe
meager lichen
hc crown already enough for me, phase 1 3 puddles and 3 arrows -_- like 40% uptime
cinder relic
Melee bad
indigo token
has there been an end boss that's ever been good for melee
cinder relic
has there been an end boss that's ever been good for melee
Yes?
indigo token
bro i started in DFS3 i dont know LOL
patent mirage
we even suck in vanguard
inland meteor
but its so annoying to look at
indigo token
I will say
the visual clarity this tier is abysmal
especially on paladins and crown
indigo token
the first phase of crown is awful to look at
inland meteor
and even beloren just fucks me up even though it looks very clear on paper
but idk maybe im stupid
cinder relic
Fyrak was a double windfury tier
fathom bramble
last bosses are usually pretty fair between ranged/melee
Crown is probably the most anti-melee last boss of a raid the game has had in years
prisma lantern
Its both tuning and mechanics
Can you imagine if wow had Arc style mechanics? The ones where even ranged players stood in melee
patent mirage
they must be really scared of bf
cinder relic
Crown is probably the most anti-melee last boss of a raid the game has had in ye...
This is generally the most any melee tier in a very long time
Anti melee
fathom bramble
why buff aura and nerf bf
the answer(not that I agree with it) is that this is almost certainly just a buff focused on our ST damage and they aren't doing aoe/M+ tuning for us rn
and they wanted to just change our ST/raid damage
fathom bramble
This is generally the most any melee tier in a very long time
100%
this is literally the worst it has ever been
patent mirage
its not like we are omega broken in cleave either
fathom bramble
since I started raiding mythic
indigo token
guys i gotta ask
fathom bramble
people are doing crown with 0 actual melee specs
indigo token
would you take a season 4 in TWW in exchange for this expansion being delayed and being worked on more
patent mirage
we need moonkin levels of whining on twitter now
indigo token
say that right now, april 6th, is when the expansion would come out
would you do it if it meant the expansion was more ready
patent mirage
like they nerf and unerf unholy in a blink of an eye
cinder relic
would you take a season 4 in TWW in exchange for this expansion being delayed an...
Not really no
patent mirage
unholy cant be bad
fathom bramble
would you take a season 4 in TWW in exchange for this expansion being delayed an...
I don't think more time would have fixed fundamentally flawed fight design decisions
I would also just rather not have a season 4 delay or not
indigo token
i more so meant class design and bugs and shit
bright crane
< unholy fotm reroller
fathom bramble
turbo boost > season 4
patent mirage
and btw
haughty wigeon
does it work like victory rush where it only procs when you get the killing blow?
fathom bramble
just add another turboer boost if anything
patent mirage
lets not forget deadly pursuit , like what
haughty wigeon
i cba to get on ptr and test myself
cinder relic
i more so meant class design and bugs and shit
I don't think an extra 2 months of whatever would have made outlaw tuned higher lol
cinder relic
does it work like victory rush where it only procs when you get the killing blow...
No clue
haughty wigeon
darn
cinder relic
Haven't tested either
haughty wigeon
does anyone here know?
indigo token
I don't think an extra 2 months of whatever would have made outlaw tuned higher ...
design, not tuning
fathom bramble
i more so meant class design and bugs and shit
assuming we are right that some of the rogue stuff is functionally placeholder and not really intended to be taken then yeah I would have liked a couple more months
but not a season 4 still
cinder relic
What design would have been changed lol
haughty wigeon
ace feels better
ye but is sang vial good or shit
indigo token
prep being on the gcd, trickster being shit, other bad feelings things
patent mirage
mostly outdoor content
haughty wigeon
prep needs to be obliterated
fathom bramble
What design would have been changed lol
all the ambush/vanish/stealth stuff still being in the tree when they specifically wanted us to not vanish for dps feels giga placeholder
haughty wigeon
mostly outdoor content
ty thats all i needed to know
patent mirage
ho has to be reworked now
fathom bramble
obviously we don't know for sure, but I suspect it would have been changed if they had more time
patent mirage
audacity should proc and boost ambush dmg
haughty wigeon
Yes I do and I am from Emerald Dream so you can not hide your identity from me.
ED is the elite of elite role play PVP servers and I know all about the history of the server. I know many of the greatest Rogues that were part of ED PVP scene and you are not part of it.
🏄♂️ 🏄♀️ :
patent mirage
by a lot
haughty wigeon
ya alot of the ambush stuff is pointless now
cinder relic
all the ambush/vanish/stealth stuff still being in the tree when they specifical...
Half baked shit existed even in sl launch though when it got delayed . Remember flag needing reactivation
haughty wigeon
i dont think 2 more months of development would have helped tho
we hope for 12.1 design changes
like always..
cinder relic
The entire sepsis spell lol
fathom bramble
Half baked shit existed even in sl launch though when it got delayed . Remember ...
that's fair, but if the question is would you take a delay to fix these then my answer is yes
though I'm not really confident a delay would have fixed them
cinder relic
though I'm not really confident a delay would have fixed them
Basically where I'm at
fathom bramble
at least not fully
mystic berry
prep being on the gcd, trickster being shit, other bad feelings things
I would be 50% happier with off gcd prep alone
man
patent mirage
db was a half ass at first in sl beta
fathom bramble
Half baked shit existed even in sl launch though when it got delayed . Remember ...
at least this didn't release as slaughter poison btw
actual fake spell
cinder relic
Wow has always been a game that's "kinda shit" when it comes to expecting every single issue to be ironed out in an ideal way
haughty wigeon
I would be 50% happier with off gcd prep alone
putting a bow on a pile of shit
patent mirage
the thing that gets me is ,they did stuff and not even a developer's note
like here take this and shut up
haughty wigeon
doesnt make it anyless of a pile of shit
fathom bramble
while a dev note would have been nice I think the intent of the buff is clear
a note wouldn't make the decision any more or less wrong
inland meteor
the thing that gets me is ,they did stuff and not even a developer's note
from what developer
patent mirage
good point
indigo token
Wow has always been a game that's "kinda shit" when it comes to expecting every ...
i think thats a major problem with me for WoW
at what point does it get to where you just can't hope for change at all
haughty wigeon
prep is a 4min cd that isnt effected by cdr that you either hold and feel bad for holding it cause your losing potential casts or rip it off cd whcih feels bad because youve wasted all the cdr you generated during the inital adren rush duration
fathom bramble
good point
at the end of the day we would just hear complaints about their ridiculous note instead of complaints about no note
haughty wigeon
its fundamentally
patent mirage
That too
haughty wigeon
a spell that goes against the engine of outlaw as a whole
cinder relic
I think the more you play live service games u realize that these arent bugs they are sort of baked in features
quiet ore
like here take this and shut up
Developers notes are for conveying the goals of changes - aura tuning speaks for itself; "class was under/over-tuned, but not a specific thing, or we don't see it as a problem with a specific thing"
haughty wigeon
its garbage
cinder relic
Like Poe 1 and 2 have this exact same issue
fathom bramble
I still think prep if it must exist needs to be a free use of each skill instead of resetting the CD
cinder relic
League does
mystic berry
Oh yeah prep is shit I fully agree, but since I use it, being off gcd would atleast not make it such flow breaker
cinder relic
Every live service game has this issue
indigo token
i actually really fucking dislike POE2
cinder relic
It's unavoidable
indigo token
miserable game
fathom bramble
so your engine keeps running separate from prep itself
also activating AR while AR is active should stack the durations
or at least pandemic
cinder relic
But yeah I mean idk
I've played live service games for literally most of my life, I'm sort of used to being disappointed by patch notes, because everything you specifically might want is never going to happen
Like I want a genuine 10% Nerf to shit like mm hunter but that's never gonna happen lawl
quiet ore
What if instead of resetting CDs, prep added one temporary charge to all the skills it affects - so you could still retain your current CDR without any waste
prisma lantern
I don't think more time would have fixed fundamentally flawed fight design decis...
How much damage you think pure melees would need to counter the inherently anti melee fight design? 5%? 10%?
fathom bramble
How much damage you think pure melees would need to counter the inherently anti ...
that's kind of a very complicated question, but realistically they just need to increase hitbox sizes significantly and make some mechanics not target melee
or alter how a handful of mechanics work
quiet ore
Also, I'm surprised nobody's going back to how we're in an Aug meta season again, both in raid and high m+, and we still don't scale well with an aug
inland meteor
Prep should just be +1 charge
for AR and bte only or would u change something there too
fluid meadow
also activating AR while AR is active should stack the durations
i just put macro to it like vanish before to not press twice, so bad thing to outplay the game like this
cinder relic
for AR and bte only or would u change something there too
Any spell that's on rb
proven ocean
if liquid makes it to the phase its gotta be dead surely, but they havent made i...
if
inland meteor
ye they're struggling
haughty wigeon
or at least pandemic
theres so many ways
fathom bramble
Prep should just be +1 charge
yeah this will always be the best fix
haughty wigeon
to make prep work
inland meteor
So sprint grapple ar blade rush ks
im with it
fathom bramble
it's just that even prep itself is designed with so much annoying shit
mystic berry
is echo still slamming their burned out faces against the wall?
haughty wigeon
its insane to me
that something that directly effects killing spree, isnt taken with killing spree hero tree
inland meteor
is echo still slamming their burned out faces against the wall?
echo has been to p4 like 3 or 4 times since the last time liquid has been there
mystic berry
echo has been to p4 like 3 or 4 times since the last time liquid has been there
How are they still awake
bros have been going for ages now
inland meteor
monster energy lil bro
cinder relic
How much damage you think pure melees would need to counter the inherently anti ...
Its both tuning and fight design
Lura should be a melee fight
But it's most of a split
Like it should, in an ideal balanced game, a double rogue fight
But it's still like, 3-5 melee cuz melee mid af
haughty wigeon
melee sucks balls rn man
cinder relic
Or rogue double udk double ret something
haughty wigeon
its actually depressing
prisma lantern
Udk and ret not even really melee TBH.
A good chunk of their abilities have line 10 yard range.
cinder relic
somehow every melee is tuned super low
Except like, ret and udk
fathom bramble
bro ret has 30 yards on everything
cinder relic
And arms in ideal circumstances
Ret is a melee dps
So much of its damage is in melee
Udk is legit a ranged dps but
fathom bramble
targeted towards the ret 10 yard range comment*
cinder relic
Ret needs to be in melee still, even if all its spells are ranged
Melees do so much damage, and the spiny hammers are melee range aswell
fathom bramble
ret is technically melee and needs to be in melee range for their auto attacks to exist, but their swing timer is so slow you can leave melee for a while before suffering any meaningful loss
prisma lantern
Obviously it does more damage in melee - but it's not doing zero damage if melee just covered in aids like rogue, warrior, or survival.
haughty wigeon
Udk and ret not even really melee TBH.
A good chunk of their abilities have li...
all of them\
the only ability thats melee
is autos
and templar strike
prisma lantern
Much better to lose 30% damage than 100%.
haughty wigeon
btu lol templar strike
but like
since autos are the key engine to apex
you kinda never want to be in africa
craggy barn
isnt outlaw/sub's autos relatively more important compared to those classes tho
since autos generate resources for us
haughty wigeon
so its range is a preventative messure to not be fucked over by downtime
vivid vessel
waht is melee
haughty wigeon
you have to get to target
haughty wigeon
waht is melee
vivid vessel
okok
craggy barn
like even outside the damage aspect of melee, autos are just another important part of the engine for us
quiet ore
since autos generate resources for us
....
And we have like 80% boosted auto attack speed, so AAs just make up a massive portion of our damage
haughty wigeon
cause no autos means no art of war procs which means no apex talent
craggy barn
....
And we have like 80% boosted auto attack speed, so AAs just make up a massi...
ye
fathom bramble
okok
crusading strikes is responsible for a meaningful amount of holy power generation and art of war procs
if you stay out of melee for more than like 5 seconds you start to fall apart
but 5 seconds is more than enough to leave for a mechanic and come back
craggy barn
gotcha
fathom bramble
also you stop falling apart the frame you get back into melee
haughty wigeon
because people see huge range on ret, theres a section of ret players that play while being in africa away from boss
and then complain that they do no damage :)
craggy barn
i miss acro and longer ranged kick
cinder relic
waht is melee
Crusading strikes, a large amount of boj damage, divine hammer
haughty wigeon
i still think outlaw/feral/bear should have been the only spec with long arms
idk why they gave everyone long arms
fathom bramble
like when we look at what aleria asks of melee dps
it doesn't really hurt ret or unholy to leave melee for 7-10 seconds occasionally
next shuttle
Hi, what dungeons should I be using wounds poison in?
fathom bramble
compared to basically every other melee spec
vivid vessel
like when we look at what aleria asks of melee dps
im getting cancer rn
vivid vessel
i cant believe what i have to do in p1
prisma lantern
Hi, what dungeons should I be using wounds poison in?
None.
Just pvp.
fathom bramble
obviously no melee spec can just hang out in egypt forever
vivid vessel
to get some uptime
fathom bramble
but ret just doesn't suffer on this fight
haughty wigeon
i dont think there was a boss thats more melee unfriendly than her
vivid vessel
Hi, what dungeons should I be using wounds poison in?
caverns first area for trolls
magister the big dudes
voidcallers
and i think there was naother dungeon
seat maybe
fathom bramble
i dont think there was a boss thats more melee unfriendly than her
yeah
like the only other boss that even comes to mind is sludgefist
and that one was fine for the few melee you did bring since it was mostly a space issue
but allleria is hell for the 3 melee you bring since you just get targetted over and over and over
targetted by a singletarget dot that cloak for some reason doesn't mitigate 👌
cinder relic
it doesn't really hurt ret or unholy to leave melee for 7-10 seconds occasionall...
Well it's also ret is one of the few melee dps that is actually just good
It's like, ret, udk, and arms (sometimes)
quiet ore
and i think there was naother dungeon
Npx right wing maybe?
cinder relic
Even ignoring how shit the fight is for most melee
prisma lantern
Just line up your CDs so you can burst Vorelus with the damage amp. 😂
cinder relic
Also ret would see zero play if hpal was playable LOL
quiet ore
Also ret would see zero play if hpal was playable LOL
Is hpal just having big throughput issues? Plus no meaningful CDs?
I've failed a lot of m+ with hpals
Conversely, I've done 14s after 3 days on a mistweaver, which makes healing seem like a cakewalk
fathom bramble
Well it's also ret is one of the few melee dps that is actually just good
yeah that certainly helps
it's definitely just both things
like if ret was tuned super poorly you would just not bring one anywayu
and if they were as hurt by the mechanics as uptime dependent melee you would likely skip them too
assuming your guild has a reasonable ability/likelihood to bring another class ofc
proven ocean
LIQUID SECRET PHASE
inland meteor
@proven ocean liquid gaming, might enter p4 all alive
indigo token
inland meteor
weak
inland meteor
all they need is a couple smarties or something
quiet ore
Echo is where liquid were last night - caffeinated gaming
keen belfry
oy exile
keen belfry
Echo is where liquid were last night - caffeinated gaming
echo in US?
if u think about it
outlaw good on this boss
cause it has AR
think about it
cinder relic
Is hpal just having big throughput issues? Plus no meaningful CDs?
Hpal is like rogue or does nothing
Bd Cd's bad tank healing bad raid healing
It legit just stands there and larps
final pagoda
isnt hpriest the easiest?
frail veldt
Bd Cd's bad tank healing bad raid healing
I thought historically hpal was like THE tank healer
like giga st healing
cinder relic
Yeah and sub rogue used to be the burst spec
indigo token
hasnt Hpal's design been pretty fucked since DF
indigo token
like there's always something really wrong w the spec
frail veldt
Yeah and sub rogue used to be the burst spec
yeah I mean when not undertuned sub still is though right?
but yeah sounds like hpal got homogenized into being just bad at everything
intsead of at least having something it was good at
like outlaw now lol