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#outlaw
cinder relic
tight kernel
is like another 9min fight lol
so 100% there is some mech where you just turbo fuck boss
glass mortar
i wonder if its a damage healing amp mega burn pahse
that would actually be so sick
timid idol
thats the lamest outcome lol
glass mortar
victory lap but u still gotta dodge tons of shit
tight kernel
Nah its for sure has mech, afk mythic phase would be cringe
timid idol
if its not an actual mechanics phase why bother making a secret phase
glass mortar
i mean regardless of how long the phase is the mechanics of the phase look very difficult lol
timid idol
yea exactly
cinder relic
if its not an actual mechanics phase why bother making a secret phase
For hype
timid idol
mythic phase just to be burn with all alive is lame af
tight kernel
So Im sure its like do the mechs, then someone comes and is like "HeRo taKe thE hEaRt of AzEroth"
and you turbo fuck boss
tight kernel
Undermine was dog 
jagged plover
mythic phase just to be burn with all alive is lame af
timid idol
im tired of this boring ass void garbage
cinder relic
Bro just hating to hate
indigo token
im more so worried about progging it
rich moon
There's a secret phase and it was hilarious seeing them find it out
anyway, should I put the same enchant on both weapons?
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble i prolly get benched and they kill tomorrow without me
surreal latch
Some people datamined a reintegration spell but seeing how low she got i was like maybe it got scrapped, never expected it to be used at 0% 😂 peak cinema
hollow temple
4 whole melee 
vivid vessel
ye
surreal latch
they want a range in
Tell them you can shoot pistols
vivid vessel
way too much
what wolrd do we live in that 4 melee is problematic on a fight
- these 4 melees are doing half the sdamage of the ranges
completly unrelated to fight design also
just tuning
its not even spread cleave
cinder relic
I'm never dramatic
But ranged is genuinely so overtuned it's not funny
Both in numbers and encounter design
vivid vessel
im actually so mad at blizzard for what they did to this spec
the fact its even worse than the worse its ever been
idk
im so sad
light kernel
do u count unholy as melee who also deals dps as ranged xd
jagged plover
I knew when I saw foreverguy doom posting on twitter it was truly fucking over
guy is like the last bastion of cope
vivid vessel
idk im trying my best and i cant do any fucking damage
and im perma 0 energy
this spec is so fucked
fathom bramble
and im perma 0 energy
You need 25 haste and every energy talent
fathom bramble
gg ig
vivid vessel
i still cant play the game
fucking cringe ass spec
idk who is the dev
for midnight outlaw
so clueless never tried playing it
my first 5 min on beta as outlaw
i knew the spec energy wsa bad
how can a dev cant see it
fathom bramble
It just falls apart on long fights so easily
Tea needs to restore far faster
And not rely on starting charges so much
vivid vessel
tea is legit the most fake talent in the tree
after 1 min of fight its gone
and then you have no energy whole fight
useless ass
just give me more vigor
stop being cringe
fluid meadow
dev plays with one button thing, so no energy problem cause of gcd penalty
vivid vessel
this spec is so dog unplayable
and it went past
beta
i genuily cannot
and they nerfed bf
for next week
nah
bro
i cannot
fathom holly
!prekey
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- Use
Adrenaline Rush to activate 
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it. - Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
light kernel
like retri did
fathom bramble
just give me more vigor
True actually
If tea was just x energy per second and another 100 max energy that’d be nice
static crescent
Hmm, anyone here able to help out, there are debuffs like Backstab etc. in Seat, what option is that something you can have DBM show in debuffs or do you need something spesific?
Just to have those important ones show very clearly
eternal hound
shut down discord
Time to make us laughing stalks!
slim hare
i knoz ze shoulnt close discord
but outlaw channel see;s like the least we can do
situation is dire
and their not even aware
light kernel
classic rogue has higher apm when im on stage 1 roll
rocky canopy
Reasonable crash outs to be honest
hollow bloom
classic rogue has higher apm when im on stage 1 roll
this is too true its crazy
haughty wigeon
good for casuals, easier entry to the spec
but dogshit for everyone else
which is something i think we can call agree in
hollow bloom
I dunno about the casual thing, seeing as you need a certain break point of haste to make it feel not clunky. But i mean, casual as in its a cool spec cause pirate and rollin bones buffs, ya sure.
tired rune
It just falls apart on long fights so easily
biggest problem right here
next wedge
guys
i have somethjing embarassing to admit
i've been struggling to do dmg
and i realized today
i myth crafted an int weapon
narrow pasture
blissful idol
i myth crafted an int weapon
I pray you get one next week in the vault
novel isle
i myth crafted an int weapon
next wedge
i crafted another wep just now
novel isle
What did you craft?
narrow pasture
theoretically
next wedge
i only have 1 myth piece rn anyways so im not too crazy pressed for myth crests
next wedge
i dont think they'd do it
novel isle
if its funny enough you might have a chance lol
narrow pasture
you have nothing to lose but some intellect, friend
novel isle
as a previous support team member, if you make them laugh or make them have a better day, theres a better chance they will help
haughty wigeon
I dunno about the casual thing, seeing as you need a certain break point of hast...
yes but no
casuals dont care about that, they only care that the spec is less apm
and is less "rng"
and isnt stealth
and new outlaw suceeds in 2 out of 3
haughty wigeon
arguebly all 3 because the average casual doesnt realize that new outlaw has more rng
but since its not crackshot, they dont care. they'll just blame it on rtb
narrow pasture
i dont think casual players even know this spec exists tbh
haughty wigeon
theres sadly a section of casual rogue players
narrow pasture
let alone play it
hollow bloom
Ya thats a fair assessment then. Granted they shouldn’t be designing a spec just to appease casuals. IMO
Dont lower the skill cieling just lower the skill floor right
haughty wigeon
i mean
you can
100% you aboslutely can
but usually they fix issues with the spec
like prep giving you 2 charges of everything instead of reseting your cds. is probably more casual friendly and isnt shit for us
killing spree doing more damage to your main target is casual friendly and isnt shit for us
outer meteor
broken class or skill issue?
haughty wigeon
adr giving you more damage per haste % instead of having haste % reduce global. is more casual friendly and less shit for us
hollow bloom
I just honestly want them to look at MoP combat rogue and see how its done.
haughty wigeon
plus the added bonus of making haste a actual stat and thus reduce the channel of killing spree
theres like
keen belfry
just remove some haste stuff, fix energy, and u have a good approachable outlaw
narrow pasture
i dont think anything they do will make people who dont already play outlaw play it
haughty wigeon
12.1 waiting room i guess
haughty wigeon
i dont think anything they do will make people who dont already play outlaw play...
oh they can
make it do 10812918212981298189 damage like shammy and people will fotm it
hollow bloom
This has been the waiting room for hoping they fix outlaw for awhile now
haughty wigeon
and then if you wanna keep that new population, you give outlaw alot of flashy cool animation
good eye candy= high population
narrow pasture
yea class fantasy is valued highly
thats why half the population is dk, and the other half is now devourer
haughty wigeon
ret still highest population spec
narrow pasture
oh right
haughty wigeon
dh always had a very steady population too cause ya know. being a big demon 100% of the time and doing this
narrow pasture
the pink ones
narrow pasture
once upon a time in DF
glass mortar
meta ruins dh for me
glass mortar
u go from ur customized character to being ugly illidan RPer 90% of the time
narrow pasture
glass mortar
or in veng case, a fridge
haughty wigeon
cus nobody wanted to play mover build havoc
i m ean sure
glass mortar
i wish they had glyphs to customize their metas
haughty wigeon
i think mover dh was cool tbh
i dont think a unique aspect of the spec shouldnt be gutted
especially when the alternative build wasnt that far behind and has seen top end play
like ho vs kir
ho was perfered cause easy, but kir was the highest option but hard
narrow pasture
it wasnt complexity that was the issue, it was the fact that u would often fel rush into ground mechanics and pop
narrow pasture
but i guess DF outlaw would give u carpal tunnel so it equals out
haughty wigeon
it got better with felblade working with it
so you vr felblade back to target and that was "movers"
with felrush being a option if you need flexability
ect etc
again no mover for havoc was like ho for outlaw. so again idk why people thought they were forced to move when you could have just. not played movers
doesnt matter tho, movers "died" anyways with the felblade change. another unique spec thing killed due to the communities need to make every spec very simliar to each other
narrow pasture
energy died for rogues as well
haughty wigeon
same way crackshot died because "stealth gmaeplay bad"/ "high apm bad"
hollow bloom
Feel like this is the first time i feel like things are getting homogenized. Like how FFXIV made every class the same at some point.
haughty wigeon
or something
now aces just makes every bte sudden become a window but now you gotta weave a generator between each ace proc :)
narrow pasture
yea if u could finish directly off ace procs it would be better
hollow bloom
Time to put in a ranged tax!
narrow pasture
i cant even get angry about the outrageous bf tuning
static crescent
ye uhk, being referred as melee is hilarious too
uhdk*
has like 1 melee ability
narrow pasture
in a way the issue isnt contained to rogue only
static crescent
its basically ranged
narrow pasture
weirdest tier for sure
wintry solar
I pray for the day Festering Strike is ranged
Only thing making it a melee
I do miss Apocalypse though
And when Abom was a pvp talent
He's been neutered
haughty wigeon
reminder that ret is a range spec :) people still call melee
even tho the only melee ability they press is a talent that you dont tlaent into
worldly shale
what the helly secret phase?
vivid vessel
I dont play deadlock lil bro
fathom bramble
biggest problem right here
yeah we get to have good energy for the first few minutes thanks to lust into 3 tea charges
but as soon as the tea charges run out it's too easy to enter a failstate imo
vivid vessel
its just
cinder relic
I dont play deadlock lil bro
fathom bramble
looking at some of the guilds that already killed crown by bringing (sort of) zero melee is hilarious
copper radish
Bring back 11 yard melee range
narrow pasture
yall still not benched on paladins?
vivid vessel
like my bad bro
vivid vessel
yall still not benched on paladins?
about to
narrow pasture
guilds are griefing
narrow pasture
ive been benched since start of dragons prog
theyll dig me out of the grave for bird probably
fathom bramble
ive been benched since start of dragons prog
I was in alongside an elemental shaman
narrow pasture
not sure tho
fathom bramble
we don't have the alts/roster to support sitting bad classes as easily as some
law wasn't even that bad on dragons though
unlucky
narrow pasture
idea was to cut melees as early as possible
fathom bramble
yeah I guess no reason to run a rogue if you are going to just sit them on the next 2 bosses
when you could get other players gear
crown is just designed so insanely poorly
I can't believe this is a fight
why does everything have a tiny hitbox on this fight of all things
narrow pasture
i had fun on hc with sub
fathom bramble
also the fewer melee you have the more anti-melee it gets
narrow pasture
i guess it wouldnt be grief to go in as sub but anti melee propaganda is working too well
fathom bramble
so now your 4 remaining melee need to be fake non-melee like unholy and ret
it's considerably worse on mythic
fathom bramble
there is also a mechanic that forces melee to position in a specific way in p2
and almost always leave melee range
to do it
fathom bramble
the obelisks also target 1 melee and 1 range
so the fewer melee you have the worse it gets for the remaining melee
haughty wigeon
Prep being added as a talent choice so you are not stuck taking KIR. If players chooses they can take both Prep and KIR. That choices did not exist in TWW
🏄♂️ 🏄♀️
wintry solar
SL private servers when
I jest, playing SL with no other players sounds like torture
light kernel
are there any BFA private servers so i can enjoy playing outlaw? kekw
wintry solar
I've been checking periodically and there is BUT it's super laggy, P2W, and dead
Same with Legion
tired rune
yeah we get to have good energy for the first few minutes thanks to lust into 3 ...
once I drink my last ginger tea I turn into a stone moai statue swinging my weapons once every 2 seconds
wintry solar
You could reroll to Monk and I wouldn't even blame you
thorny mural
tranquil folio
Looks like thats one of the random bonus pieces of loot you can get at the end of a run. Other members of your party got the hero pieces
ornate heathBOT
river maple
!haste
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Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.
- You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
- Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
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cinder relic
X
copper radish
https://x.com/adeptxo/status/2040935169067196569 LMFAOOOO
cinder relic
rn no
wintry solar
You think RWF raiders have fun when they're not racing?
copper radish
You think RWF raiders have fun when they're not racing?
No time for fun
wintry solar
Wdym
copper radish
Gotta win
gray summit
ok
frail veldt
so if adr cd is less than like 30s and you have bte ready, then you want to hold bte for after you adr
indigo token
the more I play outlaw in raid
the more baffled I am that prep is on the GCD
it feels horrible
it's hard to exaggerate how awful it feels
wintry solar
It's one gcd, I don't even notice it
indigo token
in your opener its absolutely noticable
wintry solar
Yeah
I do think the prep gcd thing is blown out of proportion. I'm not saying it's not a problem.
I wish I were privileged enough to even think about it
But noooo I gotta play without old acro
hollow bloom
Devs are cowards for not making that an OGCD
wintry solar
No, they're cowards for not making ace refund 5cp
slim hare
no
placid ocean
I just don't play with prep
wintry solar
I bet they get the people who finish working on other specs to come work on outlaw
As busy work
slim hare
i dont think they even do that
mental lantern
if im running out of energy is that a skil issue or just the spec?
slim hare
i thikn they get the intern to test the nw ia feature on outlaw
and call it good enough
gaunt phoenix
a bit of both prolly
slim hare
rn its the pec
gaunt phoenix
energy is affected by playing well but outlaw can get fucked by rng in long fights when you lose tea
slim hare
spec
mental lantern
cause im aware i have a severe skill issue atm since im new to the spec
i do actual piss damage in raidbut ok in m+
placid ocean
Sounds like outlaw
slim hare
even when playing properly you get energie issue
mental lantern
im an aug otp so mashing anything but one button is a bit much but having fun. but i regularly fuck up what builder to press
slim hare
but if your new there is probably other stuff to i;prove
wintry solar
An Aug on the phone?
mental lantern
i saw above im meant to hold bte for ar which i havnt been doing
mystic peak
if its close, yeah
mental lantern
An Aug on the phone?
one trick pony lol
mental lantern
only ever played aug really and that spec is essentially one button rotation
slim hare
just read the faq again and play until its instinct
mental lantern
yeah i thats the plan just keep playing keys till i can do it without griefing it
peak dock
Why not making AR not consume time during KS? 
peak dock
Bec its used in trickster builds to spread phased
wintry solar
Yeah ik
frail veldt
Bec its used in trickster builds to spread phased
yeah but you can use it before
wintry solar
Yeah that's what I do
frail veldt
its a slightly shorter cd so if you just remember to use it before adr on the opener itll line up easy
wintry solar
Did, before I dropped trickster completely
long barn
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frail veldt
Did, before I dropped trickster completely
I still use it for delves
wintry solar
Yeah that's true, I use it there sometimes
I should use it always now that I know how insane Valeera is
mental lantern
why do we consume bte at 6 combo points but dispatch at 5?
gaunt phoenix
dispatch is good at flipping coins ( need 5) and half its damage is from scoundrel strike (need 5)
bte is much higher damage and wants to consume zero in at higher cps and for ace reset chance
slim hare
i was so wrong
mystic peak
i mean buff duration also plays into it
gaunt phoenix
i mean the buff duration probably also matters
the rule "just happens" to be a thing after simming it
frail veldt
yeah its kinda always hard to say exactly why
gaunt phoenix
it's not like u could napkin math it otherwise
frail veldt
it just does more damage
slim hare
yeah i figure it was si;ulation
mystic peak
but yeah the realest answer that doesnt explain anything is that "sims say thats what matters"
but the reason is primarily gravediggers scoundrel strike perk being a 5 cp breakpoint for dispatch and ace/zero in optimized at 6+
gaunt phoenix
yuh
mystic peak
at 6 you lose dps if you generate more because you might waste cps if anything procs
and importantly im pretty sure if you are at 5cp with BTE available, you dispatch and try again
rather than ss to generate and risk losing a proc
mental lantern
and importantly im pretty sure if you are at 5cp with BTE available, you dispatc...
thats good to know
mystic peak
that mgiht change if you are one of a kind though on roll
mystic peak
even if you are 2+ on rtb? thats wild, good to know
gaunt phoenix
When we play with 2 ace it will be common with bte resets
mental lantern
oh ok nvm lol
mystic peak
yeah here i am being a fool
slim hare
solo
gaunt phoenix
but bte at 5 is also not infinite damage loss
its just a bit worse
but that's kinda how outlaw is a lot of small things adding up
mystic peak
i figured since there is such high chance of either an ss proc, or landing at 2 with fan up that it would be worth just using the 2 globals and not wasting
again only if you are 2 or more of a kind in RTB
slim hare
me love piew piew not piew slash piew
slim hare
how about piew piew piew and piew slash piew slash piew
slim hare
3piew is just more dopamine imo
sullen wyvern
I have a small question is just for personal clarification
I was seeing the rotation rules on which, on opener, youse use BTE last basically. Before reading this I was under the impression that you would want to use BTE first to get the dmg buff on the opener and do the rest, but I guess that stacking zero in has more value
is that the reason?
gaunt phoenix
No its for slice and dice
you need to get snd immediately
if you prioritize bte then it might reset a bunch and then you go ages without snd
that's it really
so you either AR SND prepull or your first finisher is dispatch
gaunt phoenix
then you bte
tulip gate
is it better to use snd or proc through dispatch?
tulip gate
good to know
gaunt phoenix
i like AR SND cause it wont consume supercharger
mystic berry
broken class or skill issue?
My devourer friend was nearing my dps with 20 less ilvl and a 25% parse
granted I played like shit that run
bbut still
undone notch
Dropped KiR for Preparation on Trickster and now I'm doin more damage
I feel like Im in a weird spot cause I dont wanna super min max but Im not exactly a casual either
vivid vessel
@mighty pivot you there
pearl topaz
craggy barn
!prekey
gaunt phoenix
!prekey
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- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
keen belfry
this boss is so lit man
keen belfry
Dropped KiR for Preparation on Trickster and now I'm doin more damage
no cap i cant even fathom a non kir build
1 buffuptime gotta be wild
vivid vessel
how hard is it to setup a fonctional ui in midnight
legit cannot figure out how to have proper buffs/debuffs shown on plates and shit
undone notch
no cap i cant even fathom a non kir build
I mean, Im having fun with it
Its not too bad tbh
keen belfry
id be curious what it is
frail veldt
reroll these nuts in your mouth
vivid vessel
hm
i think its just not possible to have good buff tracking in midnight for ennemies
like even with default plates you cant see these type of buffs
and addons either show every buff or none
im so frustrated at m+ rn
just cause ui is bad
keen belfry
yeah i guess i probably odnt even realize how many things even exist in m+
cause it doesnt show u
u think i knew wrathful wind existed?
vivid vessel
no bro everything is invisible idk
its so cringe
and when you get to high keys
like
keen belfry
i just die to things bro
vivid vessel
i show you a typical pack in high keys
keen belfry
and i have no clue what it is
vivid vessel
random damage you dont know when it happens or why, no cast bar nothing
no clue this even exist unless you target mob
my healer didnt even knew this existed
me neither till we were dying to it
keen belfry
what is this shit
vivid vessel
but its just, no cast time, random shield get put on a mob and the shield need to get dispelled or it start exploding your grp
slim hare
enrage on elemental/ ghost was fine they become red or big
vivid vessel
like idk you are just perma dying from things you cant see
there is no cast bar
no timer
slim hare
but a ton of other stuff is absolutely invisible
vivid vessel
no buffs on mobs
its just
here bunch of bullshit damage that one shot you
gl
its all rng
keen belfry
but a ton of other stuff is absolutely invisible
keen belfry
like im just in AR, chainging BTEs with 3 buff, and invis swirlie says fuck u ass ok?
undone notch
Honestly like, having 2s and higher isnt that bad even w/o KiR as long as you're using Prep
slim hare
but im not crazy
keen belfry
Honestly like, having 2s and higher isnt that bad even w/o KiR as long as you're...
yhes but KIR is kinda a way to chain loaded dice rolls, wihtout it you are at the mercy of rtb giving you one buff
undone notch
Use your first AR to get a 2, Prep to hold onto your next roll, then you can stagger your Adren rushes and rolls
If you do it right and keep up combat you can guarantee Loaded Dice rolls everytime you need to re-roll
Obv like
Trickster isn't exactly the best pick
But its close enough and I kinda just dropped KiR for Prep on a whim and its been real fun and honestly not too bad
frail veldt
@vivid vessel have you noticed the scroungers in nexus point are hard to hit like it says "target must be in front of you" even though theyre in front
vivid vessel
they are up
they are on top of the mob lol
you need to be right under and stun the cast
or blind it
so he goes back down
vivid vessel
no !
frail veldt
same
sullen wyvern
so is assa supposdely the best m+ rogue spec atm?
vague cape
Mark my words, it’ll be the same as every season, another spec will be better but outlaw will do the highest keys
sullen wyvern
That's what I'm seeing overall
Im trying it now and its honestly fun and relaxed to play
you still have some rng to work around and dont depend on tanks on letting you go into stealth so your dmg doesnt go to the shitter
cinder relic
U dont need restealths on any spec
sullen wyvern
yeah thats what I meant for outlaw that you dont need to worry about that now
frail veldt
U dont need restealths on any spec
not assa?
is deathstalker mark tied to garrote even not from stealth?
thats nice
cinder relic
The situation ur explaining is like impossible to happen
Where u both cant get a restealth, and you dont have a darknest night
proven ocean
Crazy
sullen wyvern
we dont have the fast hook talent anymore?
proven ocean
Looks quiet straight forward tho can’t wait to see
sullen wyvern
the one that makes hook travel time faster?
fathom bramble
correct
proven ocean
If they have to spread while dodging the beams and team being on center that will be one of the craziest mechanics of all time
fathom bramble
they removed it with no dev note so we don't know why
sullen wyvern
damn hook feels akward without it
fathom bramble
it's just gone
gaunt phoenix
it was too good
proven ocean
If they have to spread while dodging the beams and team being on center that wil...
As long its not baby steps dodging
sullen wyvern
they just make so many random decisions around outlaw
proven ocean
If it is then its gg echo nukes it today before liquid logs in100%
sullen wyvern
insane
proven ocean
They should keep the boss un nerfed
A true cutting edge like it used to be in the past
Not some baby cutting edge
austere hawk
Yeah those damn 9-5ers will kill it in two months
proven ocean
With the boss doing 30-50% less mechanics
proven ocean
It just sucks that cutting edge lost its true value
It used to be way different in the past
U killed the boss with all its raw mechanics back then
People usually went for cutting edge only because it was so hard
cinder relic
I mean theyve always chain nerfed bosses
proven ocean
Nowadays they giga nerf bosses
fathom bramble
I'm fine with them undoing the stuff that is only there to draw out the rwf
proven ocean
Especially towards the end
For rank 1000 guilds
Like idk people should get better imo
fathom bramble
and the like turboboost style stuff is fine for guilds that want to kill it super late, but can't
proven ocean
Its fine to nerf for top 400
fathom bramble
you still get to do the early harder kill
proven ocean
But past that idk
fathom bramble
idk how their nerfs line up with top x number these days
proven ocean
Sad im not playing midnight
craggy barn
shrug why does it matter tho?
if u get it early and kill it while its hard vs killing it late and it not being too hard
proven ocean
But im not logging in for just 1 boss
craggy barn
u have a time stamp and world rank
fathom bramble
shrug why does it matter tho?
if u get it early and kill it while its hard vs ki...
I mean yeah we still get to enjoy our harder boss and killing it early
nerfing it can't take that from me
craggy barn
it sucks when u are the verge of kiling something and it just gets nerfed before ur next attempts
but like
skill issue
shoulda kiled it earlier
fathom bramble
the nerfs let them design a fight for more skill levels by gradually making it easier as the tier goes on
but we have kind of gotten fewer late tier nerfs with turboboost and the stacking raid buffs
fathom bramble
but those serve as functional nerfs so it's kind of the same
fathom bramble
It also just makes farm chill
true
cinder relic
or launch tindral
craggy barn
if they never nerfed, then the amount of people that will want to attempt CE goes down
craggy barn
why make it hyper exclusive
fathom bramble
and I mean with how they are making these fights to cater to rwf they kind of have to do something after it ends
or rwf just perma warps the raid into a terrible state
craggy barn
hof is alreayd exclusive
eternal hound
why make it hyper exclusive
Because wow players really really love hyper exclusivity
craggy barn
lul
hollow temple
have liquid even seen the secret phase more than twice yet?
i like how they made their scoreboard "8.5/9"
craggy barn
lol
eternal hound
i like how they made their scoreboard "8.5/9"
Door boss moment
topaz bough
I have Haste set to 25% and maxed out all my Energy talents, but if the fight drags on (especially Mythic raids), my Energy still drops to zero around the middle of the battle, causing me to struggle and break my rotation. Is anyone else experiencing similar symptoms? What am I doing wrong?
distant ether
yo just returning to rogue, is spamming crackshots not the gameplay anymore?
hollow temple
crackshot is gone
eternal hound
yo just returning to rogue, is spamming crackshots not the gameplay anymore?
Xrackshot got removed
🙁
hollow temple
I have Haste set to 25% and maxed out all my Energy talents, but if the fight dr...
energy is just slower now
eternal hound
I have Haste set to 25% and maxed out all my Energy talents, but if the fight dr...
Give us a log but like
It happens
proven ocean
@vivid vessel i think liquid intentionally doesnt want to prog secret phase too much to kill it when they wake up
That would be their best chance at killing it
They got the core mechanics showed just enough without strats being shown
Honestly the strat is already kinda clear but no one knows how fast they’ll have to run
weak elk
Salutations fellow sneakermen, question for the masses, it has been a minute since I have rogue'd. If my blade flurry is not up but I have max combo points do I spend points then blade flurry to gen more? or do I have blade flurry up even if I am overcapping combo points? in aoe
keen belfry
press bf
weak elk
ok ty, i assumed that was correct but just wanted to check
weak elk
follow up question, keep it rolling at double or higher yes?
keen belfry
yes but only if u cant get a loaded dice roll before that buff expires
if that makes sense
weak elk
uhh it does not, sorry not sure what that buff is. I will look more into it though, ty for your help 🙂
keen belfry
so when you press AR you get a buff called loaded dice
loaded dice makes your roll ATLEAST 2 buff
keen belfry
mhm
frail veldt
ive been vibing on it
not sure if its better to save
so you can double bte
the adr
keen belfry
i sometimes just dont do it too
frail veldt
maybe
keen belfry
yeah cause u can maybe get 3 btes at high reset chance
or 2 guaranteed ones
its complete vibe play
weak elk
ok, so sorry should i be AR before I press RTB?
keen belfry
i do both
frail veldt
I think it might only matter if youre gona way overstack apex
keen belfry
ok, so sorry should i be AR before I press RTB?
yes
weak elk
ahh okay
gaunt phoenix
AR is the highest priority cd
keen belfry
I think it might only matter if youre gona way overstack apex
i do really like zero in/apex holding, esp with dmg amps
lime mist
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keen belfry
like i stack up 10 apex shit for dmg amps
frail veldt
i do really like zero in/apex holding, esp with dmg amps
interesting
I should mess more with that
just dispatch af for a lil while
zero in does make bte crank
keen belfry
yeah but thats only if it SOMEWHAT lines up
frail veldt
I guess if you think about it
keen belfry
like ill push back the hold bte rule to like 50 seconds or something
gaunt phoenix
summer nimbus
does gravedigger still randomly dissapear above 6 stacks
keen belfry
MEH
frail veldt
wont be doing that anymore lol
keen belfry
does gravedigger still randomly dissapear above 6 stacks
so the way it works, it desyncs
when u hit 6 stacks
uhave 30 seconds to spend that
gaunt phoenix
after you get 6 stacks the first 6 stacks become async and collectively expire after 30s
keen belfry
mhm \
summer nimbus
does the cd reset when u go from like 8 to 2
keen belfry
a small caveat i play by with this rule is that i only consume it if iw ont be at 7 combo points and AR ready btw
summer nimbus
or do u have to go back up to 3 for it to reset
keen belfry
a small caveat i play by with this rule is that i only consume it if iw ont be a...
basically i need to be 2 finishers away from AR when i play by this rule
keen belfry
does the cd reset when u go from like 8 to 2
whatever cd it says on your tooltip will be the cd of those leftover ones
basically if u are at 7+ stacks spend ur bte
if u dont wanna lose it cuz downtime in m+ or something
proven ocean
@vivid vessel liquid 78%
weak elk
ooooh one more question! if im at 5 CP do i send a finisher or go for the last 2 CP?
proven ocean
looks like it dies when echo wakes up head to head vs liquid
keen belfry
ooooh one more question! if im at 5 CP do i send a finisher or go for the last 2...
if dispatch send at 5+ if bte send at 6+
weak elk
if dispatch send at 5+ if bte send at 6+
huge, thanks dude
keen belfry
ooooh one more question! if im at 5 CP do i send a finisher or go for the last 2...
has everything
i underestimated how much i nejoyed blade rush being back
wintry solar
Reel
keen belfry
does big hit of dmg in aoe
feel much more relevant in big pull this tier than ive ever felt
proven ocean
The expansion jpc gapped you
wintry solar
I get seconds
mental lantern
if im like 15 seconds off my AR and i drop my dice buff. should i play diceless for like 15 seconds to garentee not getting the 1 roll? or just send it and tank the 1 roll if i get it
frail veldt
always keep rtb up
wintry solar
Roll the Boner
mental lantern
ok
sonic quarry
is there a meaningful difference between crafting a MH or OH first besides being able to swap sub/ass easier?
frail veldt
yeah
mainhand ilvl is like 4 times more valuable
run some sims to see what the diff is
sonic quarry
aight i thought that was something but i wasn't sure
keen belfry
i also forgot how much i love running against suck in mechanics and dpsing
kinda peak melee shit
cinder relic
Honestly, every time I watch this race I’m reminded how much harder Classic raiding actually is. There’s just no comparison. Retail bosses are basically dance routines with training wheels while Classic forces you to actually understand your class. You can’t just script your way through in Classic, you actually have to play. Half these Retail raiders wouldn’t last ten minutes in old Naxx without WeakAuras and Max telling them what to do. It’s crazy how far the skill floor has fallen.
quaint wharf
lol, Max isnt doing much to help for these clears. yapping and calling out what addons already say, often just making noise for the raiders. 90% of chat could sit and yap through a stream.
proven ocean
Whats liquid best % so far
fresh cairn
44.5% p4
weak elk
most likely ye
if they sleep and echo gets a solid 7-8 hours on it they probably kill while liquid sleepy
echo and liquid swapped positions of the hard choice of stay up or bedge
hardy thicket
Did Echo just go straight to bedge when secret phase was revealed
hollow temple
Any updates on what liquid best %?
Last pull
They have to get through awakened to get to awakened awakened
Iykyk
pastel cloud
is it worth playing outlaw withought a physical comp?
harsh forge
if youre just pushing for fun your comp doesnt matter
you probably want one if youre trying to get title
proven ocean
They have to get through awakened to get to awakened awakened
Dont tell jpc he might think theres a newer new secret phase 2.0
Then blame it on you for making him believe that
hollow temple
Dont tell jpc he might think theres a newer new secret phase 2.0
earlier hopeful was talking with the casters
n he said james plays 4 accounts 16hr/day on osrs 
hollow temple
did the man kinda dirty 
proven ocean
If i do that on osrs i’ll omega dominate but job came in clutch
I feel like i’ll be able to solo tob at some point
Solo’ed sote on hmt from 33% with entire party dead
no sweets
Nylo is kinda not that hard on normals
Verzik is giga ez
Ya
I wont go for it cuz its a waste of time rn but ya
real glade
As fatebound do i still wanna finish on 5 cp to avoid overcap or go for 6 esp on bte?
proven ocean
n he said james plays 4 accounts 16hr/day on osrs <:kekw3:907372904130441217>
@tepid skiff
craggy barn
do the darkmoon faire flasks work in midnight instances
hollow temple
do the darkmoon faire flasks work in midnight instances
i want to say that they didn't used to work at max level, but no idea tbh
it said somewhere they're cleared on death
elsewhere it says they used to clear when you enter instances
craggy barn
shrug able to use them rn havent really checked if they work in actual content tho
balmy topaz
Anyone know if the leveling delve is up for eu today?
timid portal
atrophic posion mentioned in echo stream lets go!
proven ocean
Guys
Is this lura boss raid only 2 bosses?
Or how many bosses in the last boss’s raid
haughty wigeon
Or how many bosses in the last boss’s raid
2 bosses
bird and lura
ngl
i like it, even if its just 9 boss raid like every season before it. i guess having 3 instances give the illusion of variety which i feel like wow sorely needed
i hope they do it again next season
summer nimbus
makes pugging more convenient at the very least
wintry solar
They also don't have to stick to a theme
jade crag
i like it, even if its just 9 boss raid like every season before it. i guess hav...
the only thing i hate is having to travel between them all lmao
haughty wigeon
They also don't have to stick to a theme
ya thats probably the most refreshing
proven ocean
2 bosses
Ye then echo and liquid will extend if they dont kill it
But they’ll definitely kill it imo before reset
Not a chance honestly
haughty wigeon
I mean ya extend this raid then do reset of voidspire and loot pirate raid
red zinc
We gettin another 1 boss raid in a few months
some mushroom themed thing
4 raids in one tier is kinda cracky
proven ocean
Honestly
Echo has no excuse if they lose this race
If liquid wins this one i think we’ll start to look at a major gap between the two guilds
4 tiers in a row with a golden ticket for echo to kill it today
Is gonna be diabolical
quiet ore
Liquid showed off potentially all the boss casts/mech overlaps in p4 on dragging out their best pull; echo's just gotta execute
red zinc
Liquid showed off potentially all the boss casts/mech overlaps in p4 on dragging...
is it documented somewhere im kinda curious but dont want to search the vod
haughty sparrow
!fuu
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fluid meadow
can we get achievements with decline counter for yellow class?
hazy temple
Does anyone know how to disable the beams on NPX in m+ as rouge? do we have like a special interaction?
unique fulcrum
just klick the thing in the middle
mystic berry
we need god
normal forge
Does anyone know how to disable the beams on NPX in m+ as rouge? do we have like...
click the thing, a pop-up quest-like thingy will appear, u select to disable the trap, that is it
tepid skiff
<@300159534981447690>
better game is better 
worthy sleet
has outlaw started perform better compared to sub?
If you got enough haste yes
mystic berry
curious about one thing
why wowanalyzer dont have outlaw, logs are that bad/scarce?
proven ocean
better game is better <a:PepeLaughing:1004750207252176976>
Im gonna surpass you buddy
Make sure u dont fall behind
Grandmaster premium deluxe incoming
proven ocean
Give me one more year and i’ll be there
gaunt phoenix
why wowanalyzer dont have outlaw, logs are that bad/scarce?
it's just on the whim of someone willing to write the code and maintain it.
wowanalyzer has been in fluctuation for many years
proven ocean
https://tenor.com/view/hongry-hungry-cat-nomnom-blep-gif-7266546517421649968
@vivid vessel when outlaw tried to eat the buff last reset
mystic berry
it's just on the whim of someone willing to write the code and maintain it.
wow...
I see
proven ocean
Liquid when they wakeup tonight
jolly geyser
hasty warren
Hi pirates
young prism
yea like that bro
Thanks. Planning to switch from sub to outlaw or I'll leave the game as I only press two buttons
I missed outlaw
indigo token
OUTLAW!!!!!
devout garden
ouwlaw :3333
patent mirage
no wait we had another meme yesterday
elder sonnet
hasty warren
indigo token
empty tulip
lmao
jolly geyser
OUTLAW!
formal thunder
no wait we had another meme yesterday
yesterdays was
Do u pump?
Yes
You've been removed from the group
molten nacelle
patent mirage
Do you even blast bro
jolly geyser
the toilet
wide shore
Sorry quick question, with the standard Outlaw talents why does pistol shot give 4 CPs at 3 stacks of opportunity? Isn't it 1 combo point per stack/shot of Pistol Shot? I've read Quick Draw and Fan the Hammer multiple times but still don't understand how we're getting 4 CPs from 3 opportunity stacks
gaunt phoenix
Pistol Shot itself is 1 combo point baseline without opportunity.
Pistol Shot consumes 3 charges of opportunity.
The talent Quick Draw reads "each charge of Opportunity consumed by Pistol Shot generates 1 combo point"
so it becomes 1 + 3
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix i think its a big deal to play around tea in keys
it also feels terrible that it auto procs cause of it
cause most of your tea procs
are at end of packs
when you just get energy back after walking 10 meters to next pack
and its wasted
while the value on a boss of tea
is infinite
vivid vessel
by trying to play around it im managing to get much better energy on bosses
especially 2 target bosses
managed to get to 1st boss cavern with 3 teas last time
without really trolling before
just not spamming ss on 1 mob at end of pack
gaunt phoenix
if you are at 46 energy, and press SS, it doesnt immediately use tea right?
gaunt phoenix
for some reason i thought you purposefully had to input an action that cant be used
mystic rapids
!fuu
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jagged plover
Can someone explain why echo is hard stucj
they swapped to a disc priest now they perma die lule
mystic berry
willow narwhal
for some reason i thought you purposefully had to input an action that cant be u...
As far as I noticed it if you are under 30 you have to spam an attack so it activates
gaunt phoenix
yeah I thought I noticed something like that
situations where i was under 30 but tea didnt happen yet
copper radish
Time to just make a new class lmao
keen violet
I'm just playing sub. I complained about how simple it became, but after playing i like it. I leave the outlaw for the m+.
vivid vessel
for some reason i thought you purposefully had to input an action that cant be u...
no its the opposite
you can be at 43 energy and cant press
but it wont activate
copper radish
Yk what would be cool? If adrenaline duration stacked. So if we hit adrenaline, prep, adrenaline it would Inc the duration past 15 seconds
slim hare
i noticed what zac is talking about
vivid vessel
i mena thats just normal behavior
slim hare
yeah
patent mirage
outlaw!
slim hare
but the other way around like solo is saying would be better but i dont think it behave that way
copper radish
Echo to 14% 👀
gaunt phoenix
swap the rogue to outlaw and it dies
jolly geyser
real
copper radish
Add a couple more MM hunts
jolly geyser
They would have killed it if Solo was playing
gaunt phoenix
let me solo her
copper radish
Inb4 Method pulls off the kill when they get to p4 for the first time 
jolly geyser
Kush slumps down in his chair and they kill it
proven ocean
Kush got benched from echo so
Hes in method now
Hope the roster changes get them rwf tho
Would be sick
vapid blaze
well method finally reached p3
jolly geyser
oh its 400 pulls now
jolly geyser
proven ocean
gingi > firedup this tier actually @vivid vessel
Firedup abit microwaved
Wonder if hopeful takes his place next tier
Thoughts? lol or?
granite quarry
time to get firedup on outlaw
sick prawn
keen belfry
manic quartz
!ui
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dim parrot
Gonna be double warlock Aug meta
copper radish
Liquid win?
Method bout to pull out an epic comeback
jagged plover
gingi > firedup this tier actually <@352916297262301194>
gingi was running it on half the pulls i watched
gaunt phoenix
slot me in coach
cinder relic
both guilds giving up RWF to keep rogues relevant
This isn't a fight that u can just have somebody relearn the fight atp
wooden pilot
gingi > firedup this tier actually <@352916297262301194>
good b8