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But they did
I think literally every dps in tww had too much "stupid shit" involved in their rotations
I'm glad they culled a lot of these classes
It dosent really feel like
I agree but i guess i feel like they just went too far
Casuals dont care
We did need a pruning so badly
But I think they just did it poorly
Some went too far, some went not far enough. But idk, I've lived through many pruning expansions so this is whatever to me
Some didnt get pruned enough some got pruned too much
U can't just stack infinite systems and mechanics on classes forever
Yeah pruning xpacks always kinda suck
U eventually need to start over
Yeah 14 has been trying to
Depends on Ur perspective. I think rogue plays great rn
Yeah I think outlaw plays great
@proven ocean
But like dk and warrior have issues for me
only gripe with outlaw rn is how bad defensively it feels
and we go for another 3 days rpog
20man minigame at 0,01% boss immune
pressing feint feels terrible
Yeah our defensive game is literally the worst in the game
ok but like
we really cant complain about feint
feint is
soooooo good
like
SO good
except when it isnt
But mr max said it wasnt worth the dps loss
But guys
- it cost infinite dps
Evasion is our main defensive
Was*
@vivid vessel do u skip as many slam mobs in algethar
No some YouTube comment told me it was!
the only problem imo is rogue is lacking a targeted damage reduction
we do 3 i think
the big whirlwind spinner guys
if u kill everything u can just do the last 2
im not really up to date with rogue tbh when did they remove cdr on evasion
other than cloak we have no way to really mitigate dots, incoming bolts, etc
i feel like they gutted so many of outlaw's defensives
we r squishy af
rogue defensives have been pretty static
it also doesn't help that we're not stacking vers like crazy
at least for now, due to needing a lot of haste and crit
it was a law exclusive thing to get cdr on evasion
and evasion in real content isnt really that useful anyways
other than like accidentally pulling aggro
or tank flopping
Evasion is just 20% dr
ig we get more use out of it now since tanks are so squishy
cant run cheat
For a make defensive it feels pretty week
isn't that only if you take the hero talent in deathstalker
No
elsuivness
its if you gimp yourself out of cheat death
Also the cheat death vs elusiveness feels so dumb
which you have to do if you do keyus lol
Like do you want actual defensives or a cheat death lol
yeah objectively cant play cheat death in hard content
because rogue is too squishy
cheat death vs elusiveness is honestly an interesting choice imo
the ultimate defensive, not dying
How
how is it
rogue without elus doesnt have any defensive
its legit
ok
Your choice is either have no defensives against anything not aoe or have them
Thats not a choice
ok gg
because its an actual choice
Oh
it's really not
So you can just choose to die
they do different things
and are useful in different scenarios
cheat death is better in prog
Yeah but cheat isnt enough
Bullshit
what
unless you have a mechanic that cant be feinted
Having no defensives for a cheat is not better in prog to get saved sometimes
and then you are the squishiest spec in the game
you do have defensives
Being even squisher dosent help prog
Hey bro
and covers nearly every raid mechanic
Is there rot damage
Feint works on a majority of raid encounters
Like a massive majority
In dungeons it's more hit or miss tho
thank you jesus
I just see the hit and miss
and you are the only spec in the game without defensive
this can be said for every defensive in the game
No?
Die and dstance are universally useful
and in m+ feint doesnt work on more than half the things that does damage
They apply to all damage
?
Feint does not
am i talking to a bot or what
Evasion does....well yeah it does
I mean look at dimensius for example, that fight was 9/11 for a majority of classes, except like, rogue
And warrior, and warlock
And then u have fights like saladar where rogue struggles with the dots in p1
its probably the strongest defensive in the game
enter a key
It's just a tradeoff
and tell me
Well in MFO pressing feint +5 times in a fight
rogue
when you consider its short cooldown
is strong
Didnt make me run out of gas
defensively
In record time
compared to before atleast we are paper
just enter a key bro
Ur right the entire rest of the encounter did 
i wish we got float like a butterfly back
if you're dying in keys its probably your fault like
:D
you have vanish and evasion and cloak
for targeted shit
vanish ? for what
you have legit no clue
but this isn't the problem
lmao
rot dmg is
its fine bro
rot damage is covered by feint
never did more than a 10
in keys not exactly
i feel like every dungeon there are mobs that give u fat dots
yes feint is strong but you have by far the smallest hp bar
yes we can all point at specific examples where things dont work
good job
I'm not gonna claim I'm a high m+ gamer
but i do more then 10s lol
you havent done higher than a 1 0
lol okay
you are clueless
this isnt an opinion
you are just wrong
should i vanish in stealth btw?
feint doesnt work on more than half the shit that does damage in keys
if you are running keys with cheat you are doing 10s
Zac is tomelvis, but you, who are you ? @lean flax what's your experience overall to take thoses hot takes ?
and elusiveness does nothing
Can we chill
frankly i dont believe this zac guy has done a key above 10. I think we need to get tomelvis in here and hear his opinion
Echo usually is
I mean sure Rogue isn't tanky like it used to be but let's not act like feint is a shit button lol but if it covered everything it would be broken af
Idk maybe they pull a fyrakk
Mods ban him
@gloomy coral ok guy is afk
lol or


why is my salute a robot
Thank you comrade
tf
so are we considering the class tunning coming a nerf or a buff
nothing changes
pins
Helldivers are not robote
if you consider a 1% buff a buff then feel free to consider it a buff
lol
u must be a rly new rogue
to be convinced feint is op
that 1 % is gonna be life changing for me
@vivid vessel
im disappointed these dont spawn orbs on mythic
@vivid vessel liquid rly good pull atm
dedge
Wait did I just miss mr beast?
I wanna see them do this with no addons
Just blizz boss warnings that’s it
i feel like the addon purge did not really accomplish its goal lol
osrs is the same but no warnings and nothing awares you of mechanics
Let’s just make more addons and workarounds 😂
Sadly with rolling a lot of the stuff that was required back, it opened up little tricks and ways to still do what weakauras were doing before
osrs isn't as hard as wow is tho
nothing they are using are things that got rolled back tho
So, im doing pretty good on multi target pulls now... but im losing massively on ST...
(NPX right side boss)
i dont think its there just yet
if anything didnt it just widen the gap between guilds with top addon creators and those without
@vivid vessel i like that the boss is purely mechanical
means whoever wins is the better guild
what does this mean
lots of coordination going on
as opposed to what
^
like i dont think the fight is skill based more than it is a coordination based fight
i dont remember the last time we got this
fyrakk i guess
halondrus
It did
my ui died for this
Though you could make argument that by the time you get to this, it will be nerfed 5 times and addons/wa will be up for grab
Still sucks though
yk what i've been very positive and optimistic but you guys are right outlaw has an issue
ever since i got 4 set i've been getting really high ranking logs on every boss but i still got benched for salad
lmao
i guess my damage isn't as valuable as it may appear in the meters
outlaw is quite good on saladar
i think they might have just switched me out for a bit to let someone experience it and then bring me back next week
A fair amount of the bosses this raid, are outlaw bosses
i mean all three rogue specs are so bad rn that if you play really good on outlaw the difference isn't too noticeable
i really don't feel weak
but ppl in here make me think i should
Rogue is just kinda mid
at least we are super fun tho
But only really mid on the like! Back half of this raid
The 2nd raid I think rogue is like, perfectly fine
True
That's my problem—I love playing Outlaw so much, but the fact that you're ignored and don't really have any tangible impact is just demoralizing.
man the constellation aoe dodges in the last phase are cool af looking
@vivid vessel
they really are
wtf
Addon superiority >>>>
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oh that broke it
yes i dont think we will have long prog
If they follow the addon to the T
p3s are easier
yes
you need to remoember order only
and then yes
its just colliding 2 of the same symbol in orders
they actually do have a weak aura now to remember it
but max was calling it
earlier
without addon
its not that hard in p3
but i mean at ths point its not even an addon
could write it in chat
aww I got timedout for 1 day for ascii in max chat
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liquid copy pasta
Is sub better than us at dragons boss?
nice, now lets see add/boss dmg
wdym
thats boss damage
our raid melees dont swap to orb
range that does their job 🤯
i mean im not doing particularly bad on add damages but ye we just have ranges kill orbs and it barely get close to melee
i mean it make sense that outlaw isnt bad on the boss tho no ?
sin and sub have to delay cds
tho i say that i dont think sub loses any uses i guess
yea i guess, its only gonna get worse tho with shorter kill time
maybe
with reclear kill timer sub doesnt get the last blade in amp anymore so idk
there is also that
saladbar?
salmabar
idk when my rog will see mythic prog sadge
@proven ocean liquid > echo lol ?
LOL ECHO SO WASHED LIQUID 3% LOL
echo has been fumblin since dinner
they shouldn't have eaten for 10 ppl each
honestly if i were to be echo and it was a full send night a light dinner is best
thats what i used to do to stay locked in for r1 M+ runs
post food makes u sluggy as cow
just a little snackie to keep u goin
@vivid vessel liquid clean p3 so far
might be kill
super clean
omgomg or?
kill lol or?
Liquid gonna kill this
its an outlaw fight :^)
seems like anyones race rn
!tricks
To echo stream
yeah theyre on a good one
is the constellation just a "dodge" mechanic or is there something specific they have to do
yeah
and do the minigame also
and you dont know where the lines will be
thats the difficuly
exactly
gg
gg
liquid > echo lol?
methodgg
guys swap to method stream they are killing
method only with 19, so they can summon kungen in p3 to one shot
so is it just me or loot still bugged ? i keep getting the ring in pit of saron
it might still be bugged shrug, saw a post today about someone getting the same neck on a fresh char
So when can we riot and close the discord and hope on proper buffs?
guess im givin up on the dagger from pit and just crafting
@vivid vessel i think if blizzard makes rwf an official race then adds a timer after liquid kills it depending on downtime of eu compared to NA
twitter will get 200% more downloads
and rwf will get 100% more attention
thoughts?
xd
why dont liquid just make it global release wtf
they wont take a disadvantage lol
especially when money is involved
YO LIQUID?

ACTUAL KILL
BRO
1.9% wipe
holy
ECHO TIME
ECHO PUMPING IT
OMGOMG ?
@vivid vessel ECHO HAS ENOUGH DPS
THEY ARE WAY AHEAD
they just have to live
nothing else
i saw
wtf !
bro they werent even close
now they lose the race
yep
ye
no its over lol
they wont go sleep but
its literally same issue as dimensius
i mean idk about guaranteed liqui win
too close while echo wants to sleep
THIS IS HYPE
solo is way different when 20+ players are involved
they've been at it for 13 hrs
non stop
brain starts failing after a while
😔
its not rly age
can the boss just bug and fall thru the map
uh i mean when you have a 4% wipe on a boss i imagine you get a shit ton of adenaline/hype that kinda wakes you up no? i mean theyre definitely at a disadvantage cuz theyve been raiding 13 hours
1.9% 😭
i can game for 16~ hrs non stop idk did it for months in season 2
anyone remember that one method (? or some other guild) jailer kill when the boss literally just fell thru the map
but i imagine theyre kinda more alrt now than theyve probably been for the past several hours
i can still do it at 27 
not unc yet 
but yea im mostly trolling
only thing that prevents me from doing it atm is just my job
this only becomes an issue at around 40
it is what it is
a 30 something yr old can still do this
actually real
i miss hs era
or even covid era
0 responsabilities wake up open discord all irl friends online play wow or league all day

Covid era was goated
Bring it back ty
In a safe way ofc
Ah gey
Started ele this season for quick io boys but gonna hop back outlaw
Everything else too boring
echo have a rogue?
both guilds do
does outlaw need exactly 25% haste?
Wish dwarf wasn’t so fugly
EXHOIOO
unlucky
0.5
NO WAY
echo > liquid lol?
LOL LIQUID SO WASHED ECHO 0.45% lol or?
LOL LIQUID SO WASHED ECHO 0.45% lol or?
Just kill it so we can get back on with the rest of the season
i dont belive it until it happens
Damn .45% is grazy
i want echo to win but they've been straight ass for like idk how many tiers
After 13+ hours too
Not rly just unlucky timing on dimensius and now too

what is the last tier echo won
Both times they’re past bed time
was it pre tww?
Tww
It was Amdrassil
Didn't liquid sweep TWW
@fathom bramble
Liquid has 4 on a row currently
Echo last win was fyrakk
?
4?
Yeah…
3
at least augs are under me ..
I clicked the wrong number mb🤣
its ok
Liquid fanboy deluxe
i miss undermine
Rounds achievement by 1
Echo FTW
most unique patch + content + tier + anything ever
im insanely bored of world ending threat number 239048230948
I like liquid winning cuz of gingi’s tweets
But
I also like echo winning cuz max’s face changes 180 degree’s and doesnt stream for a month

Peak drama content
me too
Gnome outlaw is fun
and would be the first tank i would give a genuine chance if i could play as a goblin shredder or something like that

oh well last titan final chance at tinker class ig
surely it's a new class xpac, biggest wow finale
has to be on par with legion or failed saga imo
On one hand I agree
on the other balance is a mess
and adding new shit wont help
they cant even find a dev for rogue
true
ill settle for legendaries for every spec and some sorta equivalent of class halls
even if its less zones and they group some classes/races together thats fine too
would be cool to see class halls for specific groups
like i can see rogues allying with hunters and ummmm
mayb monks idk actually who would he the 3rd
@fathom bramble even when im kinda blasting i just end up last
the fight is too long
no energy
bl;bizzard ruined this spec
i dont think this is it either


with outlaw they kill
themselves
protest on stream
Why mad
i will ask this again
Balancing shouldn’t exist..
was there ANY TIME in history
when our mastery wasnt dead last in prio
:D
only spec btw
ive never seen any other spec have mastery last forever since its creation
:D
meanwhile devourer gets released with that mastery
:D
At least you are 1/5th of healer worth of mitigated damage
And 4/5ths of a mediocre dps spec
are we worse than feral
i havent checked wowlogs recently
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))
@vivid vessel 55%
way ahead
They will kill this if they live
Gingnoob dies
Fk
Still fine
Echo echo ! 
maybe i shoudl ahev played assa
Max watching it die on break will be cinema
what a dogshit spec
hold
Aaaa
Mages trolling in every guild
i see
You might do more as button hold obr assa to be honest
Even firedup?
Why u say every guild
firedup fucked up like 3 pulls ago
Ah
Nice
Maybe they consider hopeful to be the main mage next tier
Echo Casters: we wont not be here when they pull it - 2026
liquid feasting for the buff
Why ppl talk about feast buffs
Is there something special about them this tier or
1st pull after lunch boss dies
hell nawl
unlucky
No
Narcolies died last phase for a decent time
Very important devotion aura+dps and maybe offhealing
YO
LIQUID IS AT GIGA KILL %
???
GO LIQUID GO
Someone please end the race
if u always root for whoever is winning at the moment, then u will never lose
Root for noone just hope it ends
Man

I want echo to kill it like
Same pull as liquid
But echo kills it 20 seconds before

Can we put thunder fury mogged to the hip in .5 patch
true
Pure happiness into giga loss
just the race ending is good enough
All under one minute
If it happens it’ll be a dealbreaker for the losing team
Some might quit
aliquid
KILLING
AAAAA
2%
Think so ya
Midnight falls as midnight falls
i think some weapon might still be hardcoded so might need to check it out in the ptr
SL blades cloak kinda dank that’s why
Ah true
boss no die
Canonically the boss cannot die until midnight in your time zone
damn I got m+ loot
it better die then
mosquito my favorite ethnicity
freaky scientist bio engineered em that way
uh oh
ross your stream is so behind you keep pinging that man when 2 people are dead already
holy fuk that was a hard match they got right before the wipe
cant believe it wasnt what wiped them
Kk bed time gonna wake up to seeing who wins
literally zero space for those first 2 matches
Guys
ur done bud
@gaunt phoenix ban ?
old ross would slam redbulls and watch the kill
Im an arab myself noob
he changed 
Work
if my guild had to raid for 17 hours on one day we wouldnt even be able to kill normal sprocketmonger
@proven ocean log in i need help

got neck and healer couldnt trade finger to me, would have been giga run
0 chance EU goes to bed right
gotta work overtime sometimes
No on dimensius they got back to back to back to back insane pulls at like 2am
Then liquid back to back to back'd them
Echo had to take a break to pop the addies
LIQUID STREAM
LAMOO

LOLOLOL

HAHAHAHAHAH

?????
SECRET PHASE

SECRET PHASE
LOOOOL
SECRET PHASE

NO WAYYYYY
Why did they go dark that was so hypeeee
Echo is going to bed
this is peak
Holy shit this actually goes crazy
blizzard cooked this tier
(only last boss but htey cooked)
worse tier into best boss ever
gg
bird would be cooler if they didn't try to retune it into a penultimate boss for rwf
Wasn’t this fake
i mean the name of that account
is a parody on the nba journalist
100% satire haha
Surely that isn’t real tho
so probably fake
yeah they did like 3% boss hp with a few dps in a few seconds
oh man
probably 300%+ boost
True
Cuz ppl said sanctum was too easy and then all of sepulcur was evil af
the meta gaming rn
do u gamble that its a real phase and go to bed
what if its just avictory lap "get here with raid alive and gg"
122k DPS per player? Phase can't be more than a few seconds long then, yeah?
well if u look at the hp bars
there was an extra action button aswell
the people in ther yellow circle were taking way less then that
like 10% hp bar/tick
so the circle probably protects them
yellow circle probably turns you into thanos
yeah yellow circle must reduce it by some %
and they need to dodge the gauntlet together
and then there is probably a mechanic later that forces them to use up their crystal or die
and if u go outside the circle u die hella fast sheesh
that serves as one last enrage
if its just that, dodge the waves and stay stacked in the bubble and burn
but there is a mechanic too
LOL
oh brother
oh god it looks like a real phase
Spicy spreads inside a stack
all 20 people get stars one last time
altho theres probably supposed to be another safe circle or two
le epic troll
so only 1 aoe per circle
looks like my guildmates when gaze in mythic drops
Dodge summons, lines, stay in EAB bubbles, eck
oh my fucking god bruh 💔
Actual cinema
bro a jailer style phase where just a bunch of recycled mechs and need to live and burn boss
like last sprint kind of vibe
That would be very rwf strat coded
bro they have to get back there to even see what it does LMAO
man the pressure on max to go dark rns gotta be so real...
you dont wanna show echo if its a real phase or not before they commit to bed

but the content
cracked reaction from exile to think about hovering it in the moment tbh
So, with secret phase existing, if it's more than like 45s long this becomes a two-lust fight, yeah
"Heaven & Hell" so tuff
Which fucks with everything
boss takes double dam in p3 so might still not be worth depending
lol wat
theres phase 4
both guilds basically die at p3
this is not doable this reset
i think the heaven and hell cast kills unless someone presses the action button
and maybe they themselves then die?
no clue
like both guilds were betting on killing it at the same time as running out of space
its impossible for them to beat a p4 this reset
ye but they always have so far
but until that pull they also had never gotten to 0
think he means they die since they cant kill it before the damage drops in p3 zac
but they had a death that pull too so
Ppl were saying beloren wasn't killable this reset
this
They can find dmg
100% clean and they can get there before
does it actually take double dmg p4
i mean its more so... its 7pm on a sunday
and evedyone thought it was over
Liquid is west coast iirc, only 4pm
they were 100% hp for long time in p3 tho
tbf it also depends on what it does in p4 lol
the people that didnt die at that point
can they kill it before the soft enrage tho
they r like 2% off every pull
and only immunities live that
yes they can lol
ye i guess theyve had a death every pull in p3
the pull liquid went there
if everyone lives they can probably make it
arcane does giga damage there aswell right, since they are doubledipping both bosses












