outlaw

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[keen belfry]

like im imagining 10 marks go out and u have to move FAST, not stack marks, etc

the way this mechanic is designed is so fucking bad for no addons

[sinful mist]

i mean they also follow a strict "order" as to which phase, gets which mark position shown. So you could also call it, which is a little bit harder imo but still possible

like "blue-phase" is 1 & 3 for example, "red-phase" is 2 & 5 and "normal-phase" is 4

[vivid vessel]

what does the phase matters

its in order anyway

the icons get displayed

no

[sinful mist]

well i think it helps that you know the phase you're in has always the same position shown so there would be no confusion

if you would call it

[vivid vessel]

sounds more confusing than just people saying it in order no

cause they appear in order so

[sinful mist]

ye sure, but it helps that red phase know its always the first to call for example

[keen belfry]

whgat if this boss dies at 40% and is actually suyper easy and we suck

thoughts?

@vivid vessel have u made cast bar yet

[vivid vessel]

ok

i was about to say

time to make cast bars

:D

[keen belfry]

how do u code one

i mconfused

in WA

[vivid vessel]

the same way addons do

[keen belfry]

ah

[vivid vessel]

but since its in weak aura

all the front end

does not need to be coded

and will be customisable

know what i mean

[keen belfry]

yup

make it rn

then send it

[vivid vessel]

i just need to steal what unalthed is doing or whatever

i already coded cast bars during beta anwyay

its not that hard

[sinful mist]

you know how to display buffs with the new wa in combat? somehow they dont show for me. trinket for example

[vivid vessel]

no you cant

@keen belfry

[sinful mist]

unlucky

[vivid vessel]

isnt my new details so clean bro

i bet you are jealous

[sinful mist]

but some ui addons can ye?

[zinc briar]

Wait Zac is programmer?

[sinful mist]

like exile's showing in his buff bar

with atrocity ui

[vivid vessel]

ayjee can

but i mean

i mena i have a thing coded in weak aura to do that

when you see my feint etc

[keen belfry]

nice black bacground

[vivid vessel]

in middle of my screen

[keen belfry]

whose idea

[vivid vessel]

its that

[vivid vessel]

right

isnt it so much better

[sinful mist]

so it is possible, you just have to code it

[vivid vessel]

yes

but i mean its not very complicated

but basically its just doing a timer of x second after a button is pressed

you can only do that wiht these type of buffs

any buffs htat would be a proc or whatever

cant

[sinful mist]

ahh i see

can you code in the ability as button-pressed or is it "bind x"

[vivid vessel]

spell pressed

[sinful mist]

like old wa you could with spell

aye

[vivid vessel]

thats not secret

[sinful mist]

will do that, merci

[frail veldt]

Very clean

Share profile

Need it

[keen belfry]

he copied me

biggest fanboy

[frail veldt]

Okay then you share

Wangtails

Need it

[keen belfry]

meh

my tummy hurts after that

i had 2 slices of za

[frail veldt]

I hate messing with details I always fuck it up

It's worse than plater to me

[vivid vessel]

i didnt copy

mine is better

true story btw

[frail veldt]

Then share

[vivid vessel]

no

[fathom bramble]

did you kill paladins yet? @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

not yet

we are 3 days

this tier

so we just did reclear + splits day one

[fathom bramble]

I see

[vivid vessel]

also we fucked up the splits so

we will haev to do more

[fathom bramble]

I did my best and got dead last on our kill so

actual doomed fight

[vivid vessel]

gg

[fathom bramble]

and my RTB indicator bugged out somehow

when it has only ever done that in keys

so I accidentally rerolled a 2 into a 1 on reflex

[vivid vessel]

do you use natty blizzard cdm

or an addon

[fathom bramble]

no I use arcui

but people on the blizzard cdm ahve had it happen too

[vivid vessel]

how do you dispaly rtb

[fathom bramble]

I just track the RTB buff as an icon

and drag it into a better spot with arcui

[vivid vessel]

i had the issue on ayjee when i had the buff be greyed out when not here

[keen belfry]

zac did u ever see with ayijie, if u had placeholder enabled ur buff wouldnt sometimes hide

[vivid vessel]

or maybe i always had the issue even without that

[keen belfry]

oh nice

[vivid vessel]

and never noticed

[fathom bramble]

guess I could try not having it turn red

[vivid vessel]

but i think i would have oticed

[keen belfry]

zac and i just typed the same thing at the same time

[vivid vessel]

ah

[vivid vessel]

so its always shown

right

i dont think i have had the issue without the "always shown" setting

[fathom bramble]

mine is just this when inactive

[vivid vessel]

tho maybe i didnt notice

[fathom bramble]

and the actual buff when active

[vivid vessel]

but again i think i would have noticed

ye

[keen belfry]

lok id guess then its that

[vivid vessel]

try without it

normal buff

[keen belfry]

if u have something that shows when no buff

it randomly breaks

[vivid vessel]

blizzard killed weak aura for this btw

[keen belfry]

few days ago i had to look at my buff bar in the top right a few pulls

[fathom bramble]

I strongly suspect it is related to the fact that RTB itself(the container buff) falls off all the time

because we for some reason still have a container buf

[vivid vessel]

hm

when does it fall off

[cinder relic]

Spread

[vivid vessel]

im pretty sure they hit the boss from afar tho

even if you have melees out

[leaden sonnet]

Also you cant hit the fyrakk seeds in the middle under the boss either

And you have like 3 seconds to spread

[keen belfry]

what the hell

??????????

[fathom bramble]

I'll remove my if no aura turn red thing though

and leave it as always show

surely that fixes it

[vivid vessel]

nono

you cant have it as always show

is the thing

[fathom bramble]

what

[vivid vessel]

it needs to be a normal buff

that hides when not up

[cinder relic]

Tindral ptsd

[vivid vessel]

you never move from your quadrant anywya

[fathom bramble]

arcui buff icons always show when missing by default

I think

I just reset all settings on my RTB and it still shows on missing

[vivid vessel]

true

i think arcui forces that setting

which might fuck with things !

gl cuh

[fathom bramble]

need WA back so bad

can I just see actual RTB buffs with WA

or no

[vivid vessel]

auras cant be accessed with weak auras

its weak cooldowns

not weak auras

arcui and all the other addons only work cause they are hijacking cdm info

some of them are legit exploits also i think

some things shouldnt be able to be done im pretty sure

i hope none of these things get fixed in the future

breaking cdm addons

[eternal hound]

Honestly I hope they don't break arc

I will be legit pissed off

[leaden sonnet]

Surely blizzard would never do this

[wintry solar]

I wonder what they do at work all day

[clear tulip]

still rank 1 outlaw

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

tahts all i have for now but it took me 10 min wang

dw i got you

[eternal hound]

My warrior brain

would kill for that

[thorny mural]

i mean my dps is MISERABLE

[keen belfry]

ty big cuh

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt

you seen p3 ?

[long barn]

Anyone confirm range on BF and BR

Is it 8?

[frail veldt]

not yet

I am cooking dinner

is it insane?

500 pull boss?

[eternal hound]

what's their pull count rn?

Gotta be at least like 300

[frail veldt]

can you get target of the cast on the static cast bar?

[vivid vessel]

i dont see why not

its no different than a cast bar from a nameplate

[frail veldt]

figured just curious

[vivid vessel]

just for some reason the unit frame library doesnt do it

[frail veldt]

I havent fixed my target cast frames yet

you just using WA for it?

[vivid vessel]

i assume its cause its a bit detourned ways

[vivid vessel]

im making one ye

[frail veldt]

sick

[vivid vessel]

i couldnt find an addon that worked for me

and shadowed unit fraems doesnt do cast bars

[frail veldt]

I noticed that

instantly uninstalled lol

theyre stuck to the fucking frames idk why

[mystic berry]

what was the command to see the sheet with the different item tiers?

[pearl topaz]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[keen belfry]

what u think hit me

[fathom bramble]

invisible circle ?

[mystic berry]

ground

[fathom bramble]

there's a little rock poof when you die

[mystic berry]

I saw it popping off

[vivid vessel]

its invisible when they die

the classic

[desert tendon]

they didnt fix it ?

[mystic berry]

circle gamba

50% chance there is a circle under you

[frail veldt]

did you copy zacs ui

[keen belfry]

no but accidentally i basically did

i gave him ayijecdm so impossible to copy him

[vivid vessel]

??

accidentally

buddy !

[keen belfry]

we had as similiar ui in tw

twwww

[vivid vessel]

ye wonder why

[keen belfry]

inspiration

tyt

[vivid vessel]

np

[keen belfry]

wanna know the tech ive been doing lately

looking at ps proc to see if ss procs

[broken stirrup]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen belfry]

like my eyes are on the ps buff

all the time

[mint ether]

because it takes 6 years for the SS CP to generate?

[keen belfry]

yeah

[mint ether]

that's smart

[keen belfry]

i find myself look at tit a lot rn

[vivid vessel]

lol

i do that and then

you can get your second ss parried

you get fth proc

but not the cp

:D

thats new btw

from midnight

but i hate htat i do that also

cause cp is slower

:D

nice dev

[keen belfry]

hmm i think that happened once to me then

[mint ether]

I think they changed something with the tech on multi-hit abilities

warriors had an issue where the whirlwind buff wasn't getting removed until like 2s later when you pressed rampage because it's multi-hit and only the last hit removed it

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

[keen belfry]

give

[vivid vessel]

its basically finished i think but i need to finish it fully

will do tomorrow

like if you interrupt it stays forever atm

need to figure out how i hide it after x second

anywya

[inner meadow]

im playing sub atm and kinda wanna go back to sub

but i have a crafted dagger

is it aight to use that

or should i just try get some hero 1hand

[thorny mural]

healers hate this one simple trick

[eternal hound]

is the trick called eternal greed?

[mystic berry]

my disappearing act

[faint pendant]

farming feint value

[keen belfry]

what u asking

[true jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048716096217284653/1451297908375945266/knock.gif

[keen belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1401910363414335608/block.gif

[thorny mural]

we dont run preparation in m+?

am i crazy

[eternal hound]

no we don't

[thorny mural]

ty

[cerulean lance]

anybody have an issue while fighting beloren that you have the gold feather debuff but your character is purple?

[calm osprey]

Yes, it's a side-effect of the Void weapon embellishment

[fervent dust]

Rogue Supremacy

[mystic berry]

sub getting mogged

buff sub

[eternal hound]

HELL YEAH

THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SEE

[frail veldt]

they all got mogged bro

they beat their tank by only like 30%

[glass mortar]

jesus christ this p3

is crazy

[lime lake]

not as crazy as a purple bag of doritos

[wintry solar]

Spit your truth king

Best dorito out there

[hazy pulsar]

Can i ask why it feels so hard to parse high as Outlaw? Is it literally a damage dif? I'm still trying to make the rotation like...stuck to memory but I also feel like if im barely too slow or accidentaly missclick 1 button, then my DPS is LITERALLY tanked

at this point im pressing buttons before they're even off of cooldown to hopefully catch it that .5 second when it still says its got 1 second CD but it still activates lol

[cinder relic]

You should be precasting and also prethinking multiple globals ahead yk

[frail veldt]

"im a cool ranch main"

fantastic quote

[gaunt phoenix]

You might just be lagging cuz raid

What you typed with the cd is not normal

[hazy pulsar]

I typically have good ping, maybe im just stupid but i swear in general when i watch people play they spam buttons before its off of CD so Ive been doing the same and it looks like they activate before the CD is fully done

or maybe thats the queueing system? something something, you press buttons and it activates when it is off CD in the order that you pressed them

i really enjoy Outlaw because its definitely my ADHD class, but im like doing 2x better on Sub and maybe i just gotta accept that im trash LOL

[gaunt phoenix]

There is a spell queue system where you can press one or more buttons 400ms before the gcd and then the last one you pressed will execute exactly when the gcd is ready

It's not necessarily related to "spamming" keys

[hazy pulsar]

my brain just too small for Outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Every spec has it, it's just a way to not miss gcds

[winged inlet]

hey guys how do you combat log? every time i do it , i forget to turn it of or sometimes even done right it i load it in archon but isnt showing anything . Im using aditionaly combat loging on big wigs but cant seems to find the logs there so how you do it?

[obtuse schooner]

2p / 4p can be track ?

[keen belfry]

i think i want the dash of br gone

or i need my youth back so i can be better

[keen belfry]

no need

[eager sundial]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail flower]

can 4 set duration overlap? or do we just send blade rush even after prep?

[novel isle]

Outlaw has to press like 3x as many buttons for the same damage, but isnt that why we like it?

[gaunt phoenix]

in aoe you should cuz br damage is so high. in ST it's okay to delay the second br a bit

[novel isle]

Iv given up trying to top DPS and just having fun instead 🤣

[frail flower]

gotcha. anyway to track it? or just a rough countdown

[gaunt phoenix]

never looked if it is in cdm, probably not

[still matrix]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[daring yoke]

guys, why we dont have a 'developer notes' for outlaw

[runic gulch]

Because we don’t have a developer

[novel isle]

Sometimes im really feeling it and im pressing all the good good and getting hella good procs and resets and like omg im pumping on this huge pull and... -15% from the DK 🤣

[frail veldt]

SAME

Issue is knowing when it's gonna dash

Cuz you'll be BARELY outside melee range

And it'll dash

And it dashes so far in

It should dash you to the max melee range of that mob

Not any closer

[wintry solar]

Just get better

[novel isle]

Mob moves 1 step

DPS

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-jump-death-suicidal-tendencies-toon-gif-25601212

[frail veldt]

Yeah when the tank ever so slightly moves the mob and it triggers the dash in and now you're ded

They've gone and removed so many of these from the game but kept this one for some reason

Took out coup charge

Monk charge

[keen belfry]

I die to it a lot rn

Skill gap

[fading igloo]

I keep messing up AA first big pull because I can't tell how the tank wants to dodge for puddles and they just seem to be wired differently

9/10 times pulls the mobs into the most funky direction so I either stand there not hitting or popping Cloack just so I can run thru the shit on the ground to get back

[sacred panther]

is there an up2date BiS list für Outlaw? Asking because different places state different things & wondering if I should spend my spark this week to craft boots (currently have MH & ring crafted) or if I should go for a crafted dagger to being able to play the other specs too. advice greatly appreciated!

[gaunt phoenix]

In raidbots top gear you can add any item to your inventory and see the result

But I doubt dagger vs boots is all that different if the ilvl you are replacing is the same. So go dagger

[sacred panther]

Thanks a bunch! still learning the ropes with Raidbots

[pliant wave]

So 12.0.5 apparently has a system that lets crafted weapons go up to ilvl 298, so why is there literally no mention of it at all?

[jolly geyser]

hope yall been doing the weekly in voidstorm for that, I think its that

[novel isle]

Ignore BIS list, use Raidbots to sim 👍

[novel isle]

Dont think we use daggers, all the ones I saw were int

[river wing]

nope, agi daggers aplenty and we use one in the offhand

[novel isle]

Iv simmed so many times and iv never seen a dagger show as +% damage

I use droptimizer and run every dungeon

[river wing]

if you're trying to override a 285 sword in the OH with a 266 dagger, then it won't show up as an upgrade because of stat diff

but 266 dagger is +dps over 266 sword (in the OH)

[zinc briar]

cassualaddict laughing about the buff of assa while he's doing 1.3M in AA 1st pull without aug

But nerf outlaw

[novel isle]

Im running a hero offhand mace and I dont see any possible drops showing + dps

[river wing]

yes, because it's 10 ilvls over the drops lmao

the gain from OH speed gets compensated by 10 ilvls

[novel isle]

Not sure how you can say that when I select to upgrade everything to the same ILVL

idk

[novel birch]

finally, where I belong

[river wing]

don't mind the minuses, I have a 285 dagger in my OH
but that's 276 offhands and all daggers perform almost 2k above the thornmace

[solid notch]

Is there something I might be failing/doing wrong that standout for you guys ?
I feel like I'm doing quite well with the rotation, few waisted CP here and there due to the weird Outlaw lag, but I'm definitely not happy with my numbers :
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/brV984wGghWQ3NA1?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3

[novel isle]

you did 2 BTE before using blade rush

BR gives you a damage buff with 4 set so its important to cast early and often

[solid notch]

I don't have the 4P yet, and yeah I messed up the opening there, LFR style random pull no countdown 🥲

[vague cape]

idk if he had snd running (i think raids reset it, unsure) but he's missing a dispatch too

early

[tropic heath]

Hello guys i'am about to craft weapons, do you think i should craft th adgger or the sword first ?

while i have 233 dager an 263 sword

[novel isle]

Main hand 100% of the time

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[fluid iron]

@vivid vessel i can play the broken spec now

[lavish halo]

With the new balance will outlaw be bis for m+ or is it very close ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw will do 1% more dmg in keys

[worldly compass]

S+++ build the meta around it

[proven surge]

Any way to mute coin sounds ?

[manic quartz]

Is there a way to get old bte refund sound back?

[daring yoke]

guys, am i lying

[tropic zephyr]

Did you honor the contract?

[tropic zephyr]

[vague cape]

you lied

[tropic zephyr]

I died so many times because it dashed when I didn't think it would, or I had the wrong target before BR

[patent mirage]

Outlaw!!!!

[vague cape]

ngl, imagine if they merged BR and BF active, energy back after flurrying would go crazy no?

[wintry solar]

Just gonna call it blade?

[vague cape]

im sure they could cook something like rushing flurry

[hardy wigeon]

New outlaw!!! screenshot dropped

Quite the collection now

[thorn parrot]

should be tied to a !doublast command

[vague cape]

!doublast

no blast

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea-gif-16930437336998530733

[vivid vessel]

is this real

@keen belfry you there

weak aura is done

i need you to test it now

[daring yoke]

yes very real 😭

[drowsy blaze]

hello, I'm new here; do you guys do log reviews? and if so, how should I go about posting one?

[meager lichen]

outlaw is just trash, play another class, dont see any changes from blizzards side to improve it...or just skip wow, but blizz wont care cause there are only 100 outlaw players 😄

[arctic hollow]

If we're so squishy, why are we going for Leech enchants instead of avoidance, is the value that much higher ?

[timid idol]

outlaw should cast collapsing star on bte

i think that would be a fair buff

[jolly geyser]

real

[formal thunder]

probably cause it's not AoE that's the problem, we have feint for that

[timid idol]

also

how come the moment vers isnt bis for us anymore

the xpac is filled to the brim with vers pieces

:D?

[formal thunder]

because blizzard needs us to suffer

[timid idol]

while you have to slave away to find crit haste

[arctic hollow]

Ah right, of course, i forgot avoidance is also aoe

[formal thunder]

avoidance is only AoE damage reduction

[timid idol]

oh it is

wtf

i had no clue

i always thought it was st as well

bruh ts sucks massive fucking ass then

i had giga avoidance build on my ret in undermine season

i think 90% of my pieces rolled avoidance

so i got avoidance enchs for funzies

i thought i had giga dodge passive even for single target

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not bad

[timid idol]

man thats so lame

[formal thunder]

if it was ST as well, it would be too strong for Tanks

[timid idol]

make it not work for tanks

[formal thunder]

since Tank usually don't care about AoE damage that much, since if a DD can survive it, it barely scratches a tank

[timid idol]

or reduced efficiency

what else can u even get besides leech and avoidance btw

is it just speed

[formal thunder]

speed

yes

[timid idol]

and thats all the upgrades

[formal thunder]

Speed, Avoidance, Leech are the teriteray stats

[vivid vessel]

you should go leech as rogue

[timid idol]

leech definitely the most impactful then yea

[formal thunder]

you got speed and avoidance already from being a rogue basically, so leech is the only one that really helps you

[timid idol]

unless high speed amounts can be relevant on a wheelchair class?

but i doubt

[jolly geyser]

so dks take speed I assume

[formal thunder]

lots of speed does feel good on something like DK

ye, I always went for speed on BDK

got to like 10% increased speed baseline I think

[jolly geyser]

[latent oak]

always go speed, no matter what class ur playing

[jolly geyser]

I like leech

[formal thunder]

the only thing keeping my teammates safe from my wiggling during fights is that I'm not any faster than I already am

[jolly geyser]

imagine having sprint baseline,the fuckin wiggling man

[formal thunder]

it's a disease

I can't help it

[jolly geyser]

saw some feral on remix having full speed,was insane

[hardy wigeon]

Great argument but I won’t cause I like outlaw 👍

[formal thunder]

I legit start missing globals if my fingers are not constantly moving

[timid idol]

i do too bro

this is by far my most played char

and i could have made it work in m+

im confident enough that i could have done good dps

but its WAYYYYYYYYYYYY too bad in raids

like i dont think its ever been this bad

wasnt this bad on dimensius tier

like ur guaranteed bot dps as outlaw in any raid fight

[lean flax]

Maybe you are

[timid idol]

maybe its slightly better with gear and tierset but i gave up when m+ released

they killed underhanded + this level of dps no thanks

[lean flax]

I mean yeah it's not great you gotta fight for every spot but like good play will help

[vague cape]

depends on the fight, alleria hc first week was rough as outlaw imo but other than alleria no other fight feels that bad as OL

[lean flax]

If you play well you won't bot dps

[vague cape]

it's just forced downtime on alleria that sucks for us

[lean flax]

But yeah you're never gonna beat an MM hunter on paladins

That's just the way the tuning hammer swings sometimes

[timid idol]

tuning hammer kinda swings down on outlaw a bit more than not doesnt it?

[vague cape]

it ain't the tuning hammer

this spec by design will struggle in raid

they'd have to create windlord 2.0

for outlaw's dps profile to not be a disadvantage

[timid idol]

do that

[vague cape]

i'd be down

I love outlaw, would love for it to be viable raid-wise (im too shit to do well on it xd)

[lean flax]

I think we just get roasted by fights with lots of movement or big damage amp phases

[jolly geyser]

make a raid with just patchwerk fights

[lean flax]

Because of the flat damage profile

[timid idol]

isnt fury similar while not being that bad

[vague cape]

intermitent aoe can allow others to send giga cds into them

[timid idol]

pretty sure fury also reduces the cd on their big burst no?

[lean flax]

But blizz has been designing fights like that more and more

[vague cape]

while we just continue flurrying as usual

the core problem for outlaw in raid is actually the raid size tbf

[lean flax]

It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have to just eat 45 energy every time we want to cleave

[vague cape]

outlaw's dmg profile would function better in 10 man

[lean flax]

Unlike most other specs that cleave for free

[timid idol]

was gonna say beast mastery is similar but this season that's also in the gutter

[vague cape]

the ONLY real weakness giga burst specs have is that they do nothing outside of cds, but if you have enough dps slots to rotate cds and cover dmg checks

then having consistent dmg loses all value it would have had

[timid idol]

other seasons tho bm is better than outlaw while having similar dmg profiles no?

since bestial wrath is on cd almost every min or so

like ar

[vague cape]

bm comes with some very big upsides

[lean flax]

Outlaw is just too susceptible to downtime

[vague cape]

1- doesn't really care about downtime like OL does
2- 40Y range with absolutely no dps loss to mobility
3- uncapped and extremely good at mass aoe

[timid idol]

uncapped

i miss bfa

[vague cape]

[timid idol]

im dead serious, i asked this here a million times

how fucking hard is it to uncap outlaw and just play with the % dmg above 8 targets

fkin make bf do 2% dmg above 8 targets

FUCKING SURELY theres a number thats not op

[vague cape]

it's been discussed before, precise cuts would have been a tuning knob for it, or softcapping flurry at a low number like 3 or 5

[timid idol]

so they just dont care

[vague cape]

yes they don't

[timid idol]

[vague cape]

clearly they don't

[vivid vessel]

softcapping flurry at 3 ?

are you mad

[timid idol]

the only class with a smaller playerbase than ours is the newest one btw :D

:D

[vague cape]

I never said it was correct, just that it's been discussed

and it has

in reality I don't know how they'd even begin to uncap outlaw

[vivid vessel]

keep these discussions out of my sight

why

you could soft cap outl at 8 tomorrow

it wouldnt change anything

[timid idol]

fr lol

[vivid vessel]

and this has been true for legit the past 3 expac

idk why people are acting like it would break the game

[vague cape]

idk bro

[kind otter]

does this mean i got a rank 1 parse for that key level?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[timid idol]

if they uncap it you still will never outdps arcane or frost in that algethar pull

[vague cape]

if you stopped getting stomped by the tank on the lust pulls

blizz might fear your true power

[timid idol]

ive legit always said it wouldnt break shit

outlaw is not what it used to be

and other specs are not what they used to be either

[vague cape]

jokes aside idk why they persist with the hardcap when OL sucks at low targets now

[timid idol]

we're the only hardcap in the entire game no?

[vague cape]

nah, mm / fury

[vivid vessel]

yes

[vague cape]

are good examples

[timid idol]

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDD

fury isnt anymore

pretty sure

[vivid vessel]

every season fury has things that are uncapped

every season

[timid idol]

was some xpacs ago but not anymore

[vivid vessel]

gotta stop the cap

[timid idol]

oh?

[vague cape]

I meant in some capacity they're hardcapped

[timid idol]

wait how

[vivid vessel]

ok well :D

[vague cape]

not in all ways

[vivid vessel]

last season about 40% of their damage was uncapped

[timid idol]

i was under the impression that they were uncapped

[vivid vessel]

like

[kind otter]

blade rush is uncapped no

[vivid vessel]

waht does htat mean

[vague cape]

their meat cleaver / imp whirlwind or w/e that makes their next 4 spells cleave

is hardcapped to 5

[vivid vessel]

soft cap

and it does 0

[kind otter]

right

[vague cape]

trickshots / aspect of the hydra are hardcaps

[timid idol]

ic

[vague cape]

its just a shame warr gets bladestorm and reap the storm and all this other uncapped shit

that can carry

[timid idol]

wow

[vague cape]

(and an uncapped rampage that I don't think they take)

[timid idol]

what an easy way to fix outlaw as well

[vague cape]

and outlaw gets blade rush and flurry activation 🤡

[timid idol]

add a cd thats uncapped aoe damage

so hard to implement

[vague cape]

that's rush xd

xd

xd

[timid idol]

yea

[vivid vessel]

flurry activation is hard capped

[timid idol]

good damage

[vivid vessel]

idk why people keep saying its not

xd

[vague cape]

no shot they capped it?

[vivid vessel]

it always was

where does this come from

[vague cape]

bro are we all having the same hallucination?

[vivid vessel]

i mean ye

[timid idol]

anyone member that one cannon barrage spell from legion

[vivid vessel]

thats what im saying

how come everyone is saying that bf cast is not capped

it has been hard capped since i started wow

[fluid meadow]

same thing as we just pressing bf to do dmg nothing else because we have the highest dmg from that

[timid idol]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=155284/cannonball-barrage#comments

its time

uncapped, buff the shit out of it

[vague cape]

gp ult

[timid idol]

yea

literally

add that, buff it, make it work with restless

good start

[vague cape]

I reckon the healthier play is just upping the base cap to 8, giving law more uncapped dps through rush or maybe uncapping flurry active - contrary to what zac says idk why I feel like uncapping flurry is going to lead to a very massive nerfhammer

[timid idol]

also again its so weird that they add an apex talent that doesnt work with restless

like if u think restless is the problem rework the entire spec

why do this shit

[vague cape]

kinda does tbf

[timid idol]

if u think its broken then just increase prep cd

its so fucking weird that they dont allow u to have fun with lucky procs

why add a cd that literally cannot play with the spec's main gameplay feature

just make it work with restless and increase cd to 7 mins or some shit

[vague cape]

oh, you're talking capstone aka prep

[timid idol]

like keep it rolling

[timid idol]

mb idk how to call them

but yea final row talent

[vague cape]

bro ngl, rest of us just wanted 2 charges on adr

[timid idol]

that works too...

like 90% of the suggestions in here are great and wouldn't even make otl broken

and even if it does this is a fucking spec with 0 utility

a class* with 0 utility

idk what even is wrong with being top of the dps in the entire game

[keen belfry]

Send

[vivid vessel]

just know that this doesnt work for now

so dont use it ok

[keen belfry]

Yes

[arctic hollow]

Giving us 3.5% aura buff lead to nerfs on BF. Uncapping will lead to deletion of the whole spec

[vivid vessel]

https://wago.io/s4ufpBfDC

i havent tested it in a real scenario yet so idk maybe some edge cases are buggy

like idk what it does for channels for example

:D

[keen belfry]

I test today

Ty

[lean flax]

Thank God we nerfed bf, I was worried outlaw rogues would do more damage than the tanks for a second there

Ugh I

Actually cannot believe that blizzard nerfed bf against our aura buff

Like

[keen belfry]

Tale as old as time

[lean flax]

In what universe was outlaw doing too much in aoe

Actual insanity

[old socket]

"still paying for bfa sins" someone said

[karmic gust]

Saw a guy do 250k overall on assa in a +17 and they’re getting buffed

[lean flax]

Honestly there is probably some truth in that even if it's a joke

Scared to cause another bfa or something

[tropic zephyr]

I'm actually really happy about that enh buff tho as I'm playing both law and enh

[dense coral]

How is enha these days? Is it any fun?

[lean flax]

Speaking vicariously through my friend, apparently it's a lot of fun

Doom winds is back I loved that back in shadowlands when I last played it

[old socket]

who said it was a joke lol

[lean flax]

[keen belfry]

just focus?

[tropic zephyr]

It's good, there are some proc reactions, burst windows feels good

But it gets kinda boring after a while

I do like having to position myself optimally so that my sundering hits all mobs

It's still a fixed CD spec where you don't do much outside bursts

[zinc briar]

If i have embellishment in Sword and Boots, have to craft the dagger without embellishment?

[tropic zephyr]

Sims on my character showed that dslice likes boots + ring with POS dagger better than crafted dagger

[lean flax]

you can only have 2 embellished items equipped at once

[vivid vessel]

?

copy it

and change the setting

[remote pecan]

Yes or recraft 1

[vivid vessel]

you trolling me or

[cinder relic]

Enhance is fun but tryna swap from rogue to enhance sounds like Ur just speed running disappointment

[lean flax]

I swapped from assa/sub to outlaw because assa and sub are so boring now i want to pull my eyeballs out playing them

[tropic zephyr]

Yeah I kinda did the opposite, I wanted to main enh and just quickly went back to law

[cinder relic]

Good melee this tier are like ret and warrior tbh

Ww is also low key broken

Survival is fun but bad

[lean flax]

but what is the most fun 🤔

[tropic zephyr]

Yeah ret looks broken

30s burst that does as much as 2mn ones

[novel isle]

Yo guys, kinda curious about how to get a Dagger drop... do we want daggers? im checking where to get one but I dont think we can even get a drop?? It says its for Ass/Sub??

[lean flax]

you can

[keen belfry]

i havent looked at code, where

[lean flax]

set loot spec to assa or sub

daggers will start dropping

[vivid vessel]

did you look at the screenshot i sent

[vivid vessel]

^

like idk

[novel isle]

😅 I have to change loot spec to get an item for Outlaw

[vivid vessel]

that seemed clear to me

[novel isle]

wtf

[lean flax]

well technically

its not?

idk its weird

daggers are better for us in offhand

[keen belfry]

i thoughjt u were only talking about theuhhhh match width thing

i wasin bed

[lean flax]

but i dont think blizzard actually wants us to use them

[cinder relic]

I find most specs in this game fun atp so

[tropic zephyr]

Yes, it's 1% DPS to have a dagger, and you gotta change loot spec to sin/sub

[cinder relic]

Kinda depends what u find fun

Like idk, I like outlaw arms fury ret ww sin sub

[novel isle]

thats wild

[lean flax]

I couldn't bring myself to enjoy sub anymore

[novel isle]

😅

[lean flax]

i really liked the cd reduction playstyle from last expac

[jolly geyser]

you got the best dagger btw

[cinder relic]

I find it really easy to enjoy things for what they are

[novel isle]

I dont have it

I want it

[cinder relic]

Even if sub is very simple now it's still kinda fun to press shadowdsnce

[tropic zephyr]

Not really, you get to choose what you have in your loot table, which is not the case for many specs that have useless loots in their end of key chest

[jolly geyser]

oh,thought the pic was yours

[lean flax]

thats fair, just not for me anymore. I do really like the shadowclones tho

sub could have some cool theming if they go more into the shadows and clones and stuff

[novel isle]

but... we want daggers 😅

would make sense if it was excluding useless loot, but its only excluding items we want

[jolly geyser]

sub def have cool animations waiting to happen. Black ghostly figure doing your animations

[lean flax]

when you have the dagger you can then switch loot spec back to outlaw

so you dont get more dagger drops

its useful

[glass mortar]

idk if id say its useful

[jolly geyser]

outlaw could have circle of ghostly rogues shoot at your target if you send bte at full cp

[glass mortar]

since the alternative would be we use slow weapons in both hands and never change out of outlaw loot spec

and any weapon ur looting is an upgrade for some slot

but better then having random nonsense u cant use on ur loot table sure

that wouldnt really be the case if we only used slow weapons tho

[novel isle]

as a new player, iv played quite a few different classes, iv never had to change loot spec

its a bad thing for players who dont know

but now I know, 3 weeks in

[tropic zephyr]

I mean usually law gets 0.1% DPS increase from daggers, but this season they added a talent that makes quick weapons better

[lean flax]

auto attacks also do like approximately a trillion damage right now

[tropic zephyr]

Damages are normalized

Between slow and fast weap

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry you want suf profile ?

[jolly geyser]

welcome, long time players forget often there are new people sometimes

[novel isle]

its only my 2nd expansion playing 😄

[tropic zephyr]

We have it better than fury warriors, they like 2h weapons but have to loot spec to arms because they can loot 1h and arms can't

I agree that it's not ideal to have to think about that

[jolly geyser]

which is ass backwards

[tropic zephyr]

But some specs are even worse

[jolly geyser]

wow is a janky game

[tropic zephyr]

Idk I kinda like our thing cause

By speccing to law/sin you can decrease the loot table sometimes

So you can also use this to your advantage

It's little things, and it's not knowledge accessible to new players

But I kinda like the state of it rn

[sterile obsidian]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[stuck bane]

i see alot of high io m+ players are outlaw but also saw that most outlaw mains switched to assa

is assa actually good now? because iam playings 14+ and see that my dmg is very low compared to locks mages etc.,..

[cinder relic]

Assa is umpalayble in low keys

I think all 3 rogue specs in keys are like, kinda solid

[keen belfry]

No I made

[cinder relic]

It's funny how worthless rogue is in raid and how decent they are in keys

[stuck bane]

ii see outlaw is but i also see that my overall is terrbile i might be doing something wrong for sure

[gaunt phoenix]

sin and sub will be more popular as you go higher, but some ppl will make outlaw work

[stuck bane]

doing 14+ atm

[keen belfry]

You can gap anyone in 14s as law

Law requires goo button pressing

Press good

[sterile obsidian]

for the tricks addon. Do I have to change the name of the spell to tricks of the trade? Or do I not change it so its called:
#showtooltip Misdirection
/click TankMDButton1

[zinc briar]

addon or macro?

ah there is an addon

didnt know

[sterile obsidian]

the command told my to install an addon called tankmd misdirect

[gaunt phoenix]

What if you roll 2 the entire key

[sterile obsidian]

or what is the tricks macro?

[keen belfry]

Less gap

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel echo 10%

liquid kill tmrw or

[novel isle]

[proven ocean]

if liquid doesnt kill it they 100% lose

[keen belfry]

solo i was gonna ask

if u perma 2 buff you wil lhit more 1 buffs right?

[stuck bane]

with good players u cant top the meters no way

[zinc briar]

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [@party1,help,nodead] Tricks of the Trade

[lean flax]

just dont roll 2

[zinc briar]

i use this one coz i have tank always as party 1

[keen belfry]

i dont remeber key but i had 70% uptime on 2 buff in first room of nexus point, and i think like 9% 1 buff

then the rest was 3 buff

[vivid vessel]

its end of day for echo tho

while liquid is waking up

so idk

[proven ocean]

ye but

[vivid vessel]

i think liquid is killing it in their day

[proven ocean]

i think liquid killing it ya

if they dont

its gg for them

echo 100% wins tmrw

[keen belfry]

boss dead today

thoughts?

[vivid vessel]

noob

[serene urchin]

jus curious how you guys formed ur m+ teams like how did u meet them

jus guildies?

[lean flax]

did you try baking the dice

[keen belfry]

mmmm

[zinc briar]

has someone a macro for redirect to tank even if he is not party 1?

[novel isle]

look im happy okay XD

[lean flax]

show the overall

[latent oak]

liquid about to pull

[novel isle]

86k

[lean flax]

its fun getting to big number in big pull but overall is always what i look at for real dps performance

[novel isle]

comparison is the enemy of happiness

[lean flax]

i hate to be that guy

but isn't the phrase

comparison is the thief of joy

[serene urchin]

a guy about to be that guy "i hate to be that guy"

[novel isle]

you know guys, im starting to hate it here

XD

[lean flax]

[proven ocean]

it'll be either max doesn't stream for 7 days or gingi doesnt stream for 7 days

which one will it be

[river maple]

Do changes make us good now ?

[lean flax]

basically no, but they do make us less worse in ST i guess

lol

[proven ocean]

ya very good

at being declined in lfg

[lean flax]

i guess if your tank pulls like

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel oh echo said they'll stay up all night to kill it

[novel isle]

im 100/100 in that

[lean flax]

3 dudes at a time

[proven ocean]

gg or

[lean flax]

it makes you better in aoe

[vivid vessel]

make sense

its just gonna be close i think

[proven ocean]

ya\

[vivid vessel]

either one can kill today so

[proven ocean]

same as dimensius

cuz

liquid came in fresh

echo was sleepy

same scenario as now

[inland acorn]

we're not even best at 3t

not to mention deft will suck your energy

[lean flax]

yeah i didnt say that

[proven ocean]

although if echo doesnt feel too sleepy it might be more echo sided this time honestly

[lean flax]

i was just saying it's technically more damage

[proven ocean]

when do they usually sleep

[lean flax]

at 3t

with the buffs

[inland acorn]

deft below 5targets is basically

big sucking hole for energy

and nobody can change my mind

[lean flax]

it is

all i was saying is like

2% more damage or something at low cleave

not that it was good lmao

[river maple]

Is sub the better spec rn?

[inland acorn]

i can probably name all specs in the game and claim they're better

[lean flax]

i mean

im all aboard the complain train

but it could be worse

[inland acorn]

on serious note, sub is probably better for raid prog

[lean flax]

could be frost dk right now

[inland acorn]

idk about m+, since assa is getting buffed

[vivid vessel]

in 3 h

[inland acorn]

frost dk had at least some tiers, where it was just breaking meters

idk how they are currently

might be in the ditch on the other side of the road just like outlaw

[lean flax]

they're pretty awful currently

and you must have been

gone during bfa

because outlaw was like

sinfully good

[keen belfry]

this is false big bro

[proven ocean]

ye i think echo wins this one ngl

cuz

they just need to progress 3% every hour

[inland acorn]

in m+

[proven ocean]

and they win

[lean flax]

ain't that what we been talking about

[inland acorn]

well i mean there is also raid

[lean flax]

sure but like

context

was m+

[vivid vessel]

i mean liquid is at the exact same point tho

and they arent at end of day

[lean flax]

outlaw is not really good and raid and probably never will be unless they change the damage profile

the damage profile of law is anti-raid

raid wants you to use your cd's and then use downtime to do mechanics

[inland acorn]

also i'm pretty sure frost dk still had more "meta" seasons than outlaw

[lean flax]

law can't really do that

[lean flax]

outlaw was literally game bustingly good during bfa

like

[keen belfry]

i do agree outlaw will never be a giga raid spec (never is a astrong word but u understand my point)

[lean flax]

it broke everything

[inland acorn]

I know

So did other specs in other seasons

or like

[lean flax]

there's a reason "still paying for bfa" is a thing

[inland acorn]

Aug for whole expansion

[lean flax]

aug wasn't good for damage reasons

[inland acorn]

No

But it was meta and pretty much required

[lean flax]

it made others damage good and it had good util

sure

every season has a class like that

thats how metas work

[stable sigil]

Droptmizer for Voidspire does not sim daggers for outlaw (offhand)?

[indigo token]

did bfa have anything like MFO where you needed 2 dks on the last fight

or you werent clearing

[inland acorn]

uhh

I only remember N'zoth really from BfA so i can't answer that

[keen belfry]

mage swapped to arcane interesting

[indigo token]

yeah because frost mage isnt fun

fucking despise what they did to that class

makes me furious

[inland acorn]

droptimizer is not smart enough to know that we can use dagger OH

[lean flax]

it is

you have to select them

[keen belfry]

duality of man but i think new frost is mage is the only mage spec with anything going on

the other 2 are actual baby specs

[lean flax]

you have to manually add them

when you do the sim

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel if echo continues to progress in this pace then liquid has no chance at all

[inland acorn]

to droptimizer ?

[lean flax]

yes

[inland acorn]

Soo

Its not smart enough ?

Because you have to add them yourself

[lean flax]

??????????????????????????????????

brother

its because they're not in the outlaw loot pool

[indigo token]

they made our major CD suck ass and gave us festering wounds

[lean flax]

which is what droptimizer scans

lmao

[keen belfry]

and they made the other 2 shit fart, mage is despicable this tier

[indigo token]

isnt it great how they just made a whole host of things about the game worse this expansion

[lean flax]

select this

to sim daggers in droptimizer

[keen belfry]

this is first tier not actively gearing an alt cause i legit dont have fun on anything not rogue

[stable sigil]

Thanks!

[keen belfry]

i havent tried everything but, dh mage shamn needs to blow up

new ret seems funny, crazy funnel dmg

unsure of their rotation tho

[cinder relic]

Yes nzoth needed x immunities on it

Raids requiring comps isn't really unheard of

[indigo token]

i feel like there was a lot more uproar over MFO though

[light falcon]

LMAO

The outlaw changes prove why playing this game is a travesty to oneself

holy smokes

😞

[indigo token]

why is totemic the pushed hero tree man..

stormbringer always felt so much better

[cinder relic]

That's because dks larped about how "grip isn't a raid buff" and then right after all the larp, the last boss of the raid required 2 grips

[proven ocean]

btw how come theres a ret pala

[indigo token]

lol yeah i forgot

[cinder relic]

Because hpal and prot paladin are complete dogshit

[proven ocean]

ah

[lean flax]

ironically dk grip is the most interesting raid buff imo

not just X% stat increase

[indigo token]

larp larp larp sahur

[cinder relic]

And ret paladin is just strong rn

It's one of the few playable melee dps

But it wouldn't be if hpal or prot paladin were playable lmao

[proven ocean]

ya

[indigo token]

well

gg till last titan makes the classes good again

lol

[eternal hound]

If im a melee main should I just be a meta slut and roll mage?

[blissful quiver]

Mr forever guy sir. Am I bad if I can’t get anywhere near my dungeon slice sims. I’m simming like 122k and can only get to like 85k overall.

[inland acorn]

that's brave assumption

[cinder relic]

Dslice isn't to tell u what Ur overall is

Ur goal should be to do more dps than everybody in the key

Very achievable in every single pig

[indigo token]

no man remember how everyone said df was the foundation for good classes then TWW was pretty ok

[eternal hound]

What key level, what dungeon, how is your tank pulling

[cinder relic]

Pug

[indigo token]

then midnight firebombed everything for no reason

[cinder relic]

I wouldn't go mage but idk

Melee and ranged genuinely play different video games

And mage is a harder class overall when it comes to their utility and defensives

[eternal hound]

Yeah clearly ranged play the better one

[blissful quiver]

I’m just dog, in like 12+ I can’t keep up, in aoe it’s not to bad I’m usually fine but my st dps is so tragic

[lean flax]

I mostly just hate how TWW nuked every class from orbit over their complexity

like just let people choose if they want complexity or not

dont make nearly every single class dumb

[indigo token]

you mean midnight

[eternal hound]

Tww did that?

[lean flax]

midnight

yeah

oops

[indigo token]

thats not even the part that upsets me

[lean flax]

I must be pining for the good old days