outlaw

[slim hare]

stage 2 and higher = fine playable higher is just more dam

[viral ruin]

are we angry or happy with changes, too long, didnt read

[wide flare]

Seems fine

It ain’t great for bigger pulls but overall doing more st will help

[mighty pivot]

ain't no way they had to nerf bf again i guess outlaw was blasting a bit too much on vanguard

[loud blaze]

Did they nerf the other specs that are blasting? Thats what gets me.

[mighty pivot]

no but hunter devs get away with all kinds of crimes every season

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[long barn]

More like sad outlaws

[prisma bramble]

Will 4% get us on stage with Sub or will we be Subs little bitches?

[compact mountain]

The outlaw "buff" of nerfing our aoe even more hurts my soul, I'm seriously considering jumping to assassin...

[unkempt dew]

Well it preforms the same as now right?

[prisma bramble]

same, waiting wednesday to see what im going to craft

dagger or dagger

[vapid blaze]

that they got away with getting 4 stacked + augs was crazy

[sleek jewel]

is there an addon to track roll the bones buff? finding it really irritating having to look at a giant bar of bars to see what roll i go and if i should use keep it rolling

im new to the game, but i saw online weakauras that did that no longer works?

[inland meteor]

you can just use the cooldown manager

[vague cape]

bro my feedback is have a real human test this for 2 hours of gameplay

and then have them say what they think needs buffs

[sleek jewel]

uhh what is this

i have a mod called bettercooldownmanager, but the buff never appears when im in combat

[mighty pivot]

#outlaw message sorry calling it one week early guys

[mystic berry]

We joked that any buff to our damage would mean that bf would suffer

like, since release , because blizz lovew their new gradual tuning

with checks and balances

to prevent stuff like rogue being broken

Meanwhile frost mage continues reigning

[mighty pivot]

perks of playing the hero class

[mystic berry]

Mage is the Vanilla hero class yes

[inland meteor]

the default blizzard one - check your options if its activated use search function and search for cooldown manager

[timid portal]

where is @daring oxide in tough times like that

[mystic berry]

All I wanted is changes to how some skills work. I dont even think our damage is bad on m+ (I will pretend raid dont exist)

[patent mirage]

When the world needed him the most he vanished

[mystic berry]

But raids are more a design problem

all melee suck there

[patent mirage]

Energy penalty on deft should go

[devout garden]

i luv ouwlaw

[left jay]

I am optimistic about the rebalance because I’m already doing good damage in everything now I get some higher value damage for raid good

[misty bridge]

I thought they already made an April fools post? Wtf is this "buff" shit?

[left jay]

We need more buff but I’ll take it

[sleek jewel]

the addon im using uses it, but the tracked buffs disappears in combat

[kind axle]

probably a setting in the addon you're using

[sleek jewel]

the buff will appear if i roll the bones outside of combat but as soon as i hit a training dummy it just breaks

[kind axle]

I'm saying it's probably a setting where it's set to not show in combat

I just use the default cdm in game to track it so I couldn't say for sure

[left jay]

They’re probably just taking buffs carefully rn because the race to world first is still on

I’m sure more radical changes will happen after that’s done

[tender breach]

so the tuning is a loss in M+?

[fluid meadow]

1st season as outlaw?🤣

[crude torrent]

yo chat, am I cooked? I feel like I do zero damage; Tier 9 delve with a friend mage 177 ilvl vs mine 252 👀

atalaman boss

[river wing]

zero to minimal gain

[mystic berry]

tbh

[left jay]

I don’t bother to track coins at all

[mystic berry]

delves are not a good basis

[left jay]

I’ve been an Outlaw main for years I’m just an optimist

[mystic berry]

the damage will vary too much

[left jay]

😇

Every other spec is boring therefore sucks

[mystic berry]

I think all we need is precise cuts and god

and prep off the gcd

[old socket]

the fact that they are nerfing BF while outlaw is the ONLY spec in the game with hard capped AOE means they have no clue of what they're doing, or worse they want outlaw to be so shit none is willing to play it

nothing to be optimistic about lol

[wintry solar]

You based for that ngl

Best take I've read in months

[mystic berry]

top 5 least played specs in the game, no complaining = fine

[tropic heath]

Hello guys, the difference between multi and solo rotation is just the blade furry right ?

[vivid vessel]

guys

[mystic berry]

zac

[vivid vessel]

anyone got a cast bar addon

not quartz

give names

[mystic berry]

blade flurry just turn your cleave on

yes

[tropic heath]

Yeah, the thing i have huge discrenpencies, like my mono suckkkk

idk know why

[west lava]

Try Gnosis, I like it alot and simple to setup

[vivid vessel]

[proven birch]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[daring oxide]

Trying to make a baby grow into an independent gold farmer

[timid portal]

make him into outlaw dev

[thorn parrot]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[vivid vessel]

@mighty pivot you there

[mighty pivot]

[vivid vessel]

ok so

thats something i always wondered

when addons are shipped you ship the libraries in

and also sometimes you split your addon into different sub addons

but on github its just one entire folder without libs

so how does one work on an addon like that

having the repo in your own folder

[brisk meadow]

Someone gonna puzzlebox on assa

[vivid vessel]

well no but you need cast bars in wow

[old gull]

Should just remove roll the bones at this point no?

[mystic berry]

I just wish 1 didnt suck so much tbh

the rest Im fine

maybe drop all tiers one level and jackpot is like "increased 20% efffect to previous buffs" idk

[merry elk]

I'd do dirty things in the back alley for original classic casbar addons for self and enemy

[candid abyss]

1 is unplayable

[soft abyss]

You don't roll a 1 though

especially in m+

[merry elk]

None of this textured bs we have now. Uau, look a dragon-flower- power background is charging up so cool! Wanna be friends and be happy about the world?

[soft abyss]

it's like 1% of the time

[mystic berry]

Yeah but I mean, it really sucks

it actively fucks you

[soft abyss]

yeah but your kit works so you don't roll a 1

you made a mistake prbs if you rolled one

[mystic berry]

god forbid your tank is bad then

your fault I guess

[soft abyss]

I don't understand the argument if your group is not good you do less dmg . If your tank is bad 1-roll is the least of your problems

you are doing 0 dmg on low target cleave

[mystic berry]

the point is that, yeah it works great when the group is good, it overly punishes you when it isnt

you will be doing doubly worse

[candid abyss]

its being rare doesnt mean its okay being what it is

[mystic berry]

because you will be getting 1s

[mighty pivot]

not sure what you mean here. But if it's a repo that doesn't have the libs, they are usually running a packager which packages the addon with the latest version of each lib/dependency

[vivid vessel]

im mostly asking how do you work on it

just putting the libns directly in the folder is fine tho

but

thats not my main concern

[turbid parcel]

guys can someone help me on vc one sec please

[vivid vessel]

the addon is split into sub addons right

so when its packaged you have addon and addon_option

but the repo itself is addon > option

so if you try to just put the repo in your addon folder it wont work

its even worse on big addons like bigwigs/elviu etc that have pletny of sub addons

so how do people work with that is my question

[mighty pivot]

ye I don't know how they develop in that case. I know some are using symlinks to have the structure the way the game expects it

[sleek jewel]

what makes it so you always dont roll a 1? the adrenaline rush upgrade is only for one roll right? it wont have 100% uptime

im new so i just want to know how i can do that

[turbid parcel]

guys can someone help

[soft abyss]

you have loaded dice and kir and prep

[glossy pewter]

Ultimate castbars, playercastbars

[sturdy crow]

apply as sub and then swap specs during the countdown

[turbid parcel]

still can use the transmog

canu joim vc for one sec

[vivid vessel]

bro just ask your question

[turbid parcel]

i have the aparence but i cant use it

i mean the first one windseaker

[cinder relic]

Go under sword

Not artifact

Or dagger

[sleek jewel]

the builds ive seen dont take prep outside of raid and from what i know prep is a true 4m cd that doesnt get reduced by restless blades, keep it rolling is also just 30 seconds

[turbid parcel]

i dont have it in swords

[soft abyss]

Check zacs logs for example. He had 0.87% uptime in roll 1

[cinder relic]

Relog

[turbid parcel]

i have it here but cant use on transmog

[vivid vessel]

but hwere are you even looking tho

[soft abyss]

IEven when you roll a 1

[vivid vessel]

thats not the transmog tab

[sleek jewel]

where do i see this

[soft abyss]

In a dungeon logged

[soft abyss]

Like even if you roll a 1 10 sec after you roll again

It won't brick your key

[turbid parcel]

ye i dont have it here

[cinder relic]

Relog

[topaz fox]

how do i fix this error with simming?

[sleek jewel]

oh the way u worded your initial statement made me think there was some way to never roll a 1

[vivid vessel]

why is it red

[cinder relic]

Does it not say the errors right there

[vivid vessel]

for me red means you cant use it

[topaz fox]

ya i checked those nad did all of them but i can't sem to resolve it

[vivid vessel]

did you unlock it

[turbid parcel]

yes i have the item and i use it

i talk to ladydragon speak with windlord and he give me the item

[topaz fox]

ohh i see i was trying to sim 3 embellised items nvm

soz soz ty

[candid abyss]

ya just select another nonembelish so it has the ability to sim with 2

[topaz fox]

yup i got it ty!

[soft abyss]

I just checked 2 logs , one had 0 casts and one had 3 out of 44

it is kinda irrelevant

[vivid vessel]

idk i opened a random log of mine and i never rolled 1

[turbid parcel]

okay it fix i need to relog 4 times

[vivid vessel]

it kinda happens if you never roll without loaded

[turbid parcel]

how u get the purple one ?

[vivid vessel]

go to the rogue thingy

and it tells you how

one is 100 quests or smth

idk the others forgot

[sleek jewel]

is this because you refresh adrenaline rush before the buff expires or because you dont roll if u dont have loaded

[vivid vessel]

because you usually dont roll if you dont have loaded

and then between kir and prep

you are usually always chaining a loaded dice roll

[sleek jewel]

i see

is this possible without prep

a lot of builds i see dont have prep in the talent tree

[vivid vessel]

idk if prep matter that much

mostly kir

[sleek jewel]

ok that is good to know

ive been rolling a lot of 1s and feeling pretty bad so its good to know im just bad

[mint ether]

I think an unstated gap here is that it's much easier to keep momentum/higher buffs if you're in a more aggressive/higher skilled group that is pulling big/quicky/pulling trash onto bosses etc.

[candid abyss]

loaded lasts even after ar ends so you dont have to insta burn it

[mint ether]

if you're pulling slowly and losing restless blades value, or god forbid wiping, it's much easier to get fucked and stuck with bad rolls without any recourse

so if you're in some random 10 pug you just have less control

[soft abyss]

The argument was that one is kinda rare etc. Ofc the better you and your group are the better chaining will happen

[mint ether]

ah I didn't scroll all the way up

[soft abyss]

Also if you are wiping you end up wasting time of the AR cd for example

[mystic berry]

most of the time I get fucked with rolls is when someone, for some reason or another, took their sweet time walking to a pull, or tank decided to take a piss before the boss

[mint ether]

tanks should pee ON the boss instead

for damage amplifier

[mystic berry]

bottles only

on boss is rude

[mint ether]

some deserve it

[sturdy crow]

I think with this weeks CDR affix it's possible to never roll unloaded if the key goes smooth

[mint ether]

this week's affix is pretty fucking boring

"a dude spawns and you kill it"

k

[sturdy crow]

Nah it's actually very in-depth

[sleek jewel]

how do i start doing the dungeok logs stuff to check my gameplay

[lucid sparrow]

cuz ur looking at it from legion artifacts tab

go to daggers and you will see it there and can use it

[sturdy crow]

For example today inbetween packs I didnt hit affix becuase my cooldowns were available and I knew my friends were on cd

[lucid sparrow]

dont go to legion artifacts, it is spec locked and wont show u the others

[mint ether]

it is very annoying when it spawns at the very end of pulls when everything is dead and prevents mounting

[meager lichen]

its like a rejection manager, not mmo anymore -_-

[woeful siren]

Hey mates, simple question, in outlaw spec, can loot dagger in vault ?

[mystic berry]

no

[jolly geyser]

yes, just change loot to sub or ass

[sturdy crow]

I like to think it's because outlaw was so unbelievably busted in BFA m+ that we are still paying off that meta debt

[mystic berry]

should've played a lust class buddy

it seems that atrophic is not hot rn

[cinder relic]

Atrophic is never high value in keys

Numbing is solid though for tanks

[topaz fox]

is gemming around prismatic focusing lens worth (using dfferent gem types) or just gem for best stats

[formal thunder]

patchnotes don't change much to overall damage right? doing the (admittedly maybe wrong) maths on a key from yesterday, looks like a 1% buff overall

[mighty pivot]

pins

[jolly geyser]

needles

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/994520254606758010/1488625122901233664/6sOl3MeMLYisyPTd-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter_1.gif?ex=69d212ee&is=69d0c16e&hm=2fc94b6e1fbc84d348a6b870de10fd102697b1f73802da1cde7ca9c5ade6a4c5&

[mystic berry]

I think its mostly for raid

but even then, I reckon its kinda of a nothingburger as usual

[formal thunder]

Aye, glad to see my quick google search bar math checked out though

[mystic berry]

They do 1% net changes to rogue to keep us quiet

pretending they have any idea of what to do with the class

[grim spear]

shit

[vivid vessel]

shit !

[rocky stratus]

dayum

[grim spear]

No one plays this spec

[clear tulip]

Main reason I got top 10 all stars last few tiers

[light mountain]

they not benching rogues for u? 🤣

i got told reroll hunter for pals or bench angle

[grim spear]

benched already

[livid pewter]

is there any mod or addon to show spell CD's on enemy nameplate yet?

[grim spear]

exboss?
all based on guesswork, not really accurate

[zinc briar]

cassualaddict just did 950k in 1st pull of Seat 19 with rogue assa

lets nerf outlaw!

we have to buff assa

[peak dock]

Excuse me, wich one is 2nd craft for outlaw ? I already crafted a 285 Sword, i've seen lot of high io ppl crafting an oh dagger and others crafting boots.
Plus is it worth opening vault as assa? Bec every m+ mh is pretty shit and im not going to 6/6 M voidspire

[zinc briar]

2nd craft for outlaw is the dagger to play assa

nah sorry im tilted

[peak dock]

But you need 2 daggers for that and i only play outlaw

[zinc briar]

boots

[frail veldt]

It depends heavily on your drops

It's between dagger and some off pieces

[light kernel]

3rd craft doesnt matter or wait for vault maybe?

i mean some off piece since my 2nd is dagger

[fierce wigeon]

is this good from delves?

[jolly geyser]

aah font

[frail veldt]

Lololol

[balmy topaz]

Shit!

[vivid vessel]

imagine not being first

you guys are noobs no cap

[balmy topaz]

Bro

I can’t

[proven ocean]

Cant 100 parse on a spec only 3 ppl play?

Lol or?

[vivid vessel]

i can teach you one day

[vivid vessel]

i only have one 100

thoughts

[proven ocean]

U suck

[vivid vessel]

true and real

[balmy topaz]

This

Spec

Just sucks

[vivid vessel]

(every early boss is the most pad fest rng shit ever)

haha

[proven ocean]

Raid logs are usually raid based

Assuming ur rly good ofc

[balmy topaz]

Depends so much on tank positioning

[proven ocean]

M+ is where u really see how bad they are

[vivid vessel]

well usually bosses arent as pad heavy tbf

first 5 bosses

[proven ocean]

They usually are rng

[vivid vessel]

are just straight up pad

[proven ocean]

Not pad heavy

[balmy topaz]

I think

I’m gonna swap to healer next tier

Dps is omega boring

[proven ocean]

Healers are usually the worst players

So be ready to get worse at the game

[balmy topaz]

Mechanically I’d say they do seem it

[quiet ore]

Need 20 less ilvl to do the content, responsible for the party in exchange. Fair trade?

Idk my mistweaver can heal 10s at 250 ilvl, whereas my rogue couldn't even get accepted to a pub 10 until it was already 265+

The real q is: what tank is the play for getting the m+ triple threat achievement this season?

[fluid meadow]

30 min quetime alone to do weekly keys, my tank friend login insta inv to these keys.. no problem

[tropic zephyr]

You could heal 14s with that ilvl in this season kek

[jolly geyser]

have you guys healed this season?

[tropic zephyr]

Ye

Weeklies thi

Tho

Nothing to heal except seat where people get violated

[vivid vessel]

why does assa do more aoe than outlaw at every target count

while being uncapped

[quiet ore]

All the big stuff you need to heal thru is also dispellable/root cleanseable it feels like. Revival/mass dispel are cheat codes.

[vivid vessel]

?

and its the spec getting buffed?

im confused

[quiet ore]

Conspiracy: Because OL has the highest key parse in some keys thanks to you, the sample size is so small they're balancing on observed maximum instead of average and we're giga rng

[vivid vessel]

no one logs keys

[quiet ore]

Blizz does

Internal data

[vivid vessel]

assa does more in every key

casual play assa

im not doing more damage than him as assa

even zerocool outdamage me in every key

[patent mirage]

We didn't even get a developer's note

[vivid vessel]

also i play with raid buffs

these people dont

i have war + shaman + druid in every group

most rogue keys are only done wiht monk

and druid

im gapped in every key by other rogue specs and its assa getting buffed

not outlaw

idk doesnt track to me

[barren plover]

how is Outlaw compared to Sub/Assa in M+ dmg wise?

[craggy barn]

according to zac, worse

[vivid vessel]

same exact thing happened in s1 tww

s2 tww

and s3 tww

btw

just saying

[quiet ore]

I believe you, for sure. On most pulls for sure. But in the overalls you see on wcl you'll find all 3 specs in the top 5, even if OL can only pull that off 1 in 5 keys or something

[vivid vessel]

at a certain point

[vivid vessel]

ok and then i open the log and casual is dead twice

and i have war + shaman buff

that he doesnt have

• its the same damage anywya here

[quiet ore]

That's what I'm saying tho, blizz can't balance us around average DPS because our variance is... Yes. So they're balancing on observed max instead. That's my theory, anyway.

[vivid vessel]

• its assa it will get way better with higher keys and pulled around

unlike outlaw

that will just fall off

[quiet ore]

Like think about it. If we just hard gamba gapped other dps specs by 20% 1 in 10 keys, people would cry we're imba, even if 9 out of 10 keys we were slightly below average. So clearly to avoid that outcry, it's our max getting tuned and not our average

[vivid vessel]

also how do you explain that the same shit happened every season of tww

[quiet ore]

This is probably a crackpot theory, but it's how I cope

[vivid vessel]

clearly there is something wrong with outlaw tuning

that we always tune the other rogue specs

instead of outlaw

even when they are better than outlaw

same shit happened every season of tww and im not capping

it actually happened

that exact same way

[quiet ore]

Like, I never updated outlaw mallet for midnight because I kept assuming we were getting major tuning pass that'd shake up the builds we were considering and we never did

[vivid vessel]

idk they must have broken internal data for outlaw

it doesnt make sense to me

if all 3 specs werent receiving tuning

i would understand

but that assa and sub while better than outlaw get tuned even more ahead litteraly every season

i do not get it

can happen once

can happen twice

maybe 3 times sure

4 times in a row ?

[lavish shoal]

Yeah it’s insane

[vivid vessel]

surely cant happen 5 times in a row at least

next tier for sure

[lavish shoal]

Idk what they are thinking nerfing bladeflurry

Are they sick

[patent mirage]

Does bf have a massively tangled spaghoot code

So they won't touch it

[lavish shoal]

4% aura buff for 8% bf nerf

Nice dude

[patent mirage]

Or are they scared we are going to have another bfa s2

[lavish shoal]

After they took it down to 30% base

Nice job guys

[barren plover]

one thing, which i dont understand, why Blizz keep pushing different main hand for Outlaw only? It could be much better if they let us use dagger for Outlaw in main hand. Is there any reason behind this? Right now where we can mog any weapon..

[sullen walrus]

@vivid vessel bro how i can do +(like weakaura) on my character

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[craggy barn]

historical and archetypal

[quiet ore]

I mean, the real q is why if sub can mog a sword, why can't sub just use a sword now

[sullen walrus]

can someone help me pls

[craggy barn]

does any sub ability req dag main?

strike?

[sullen walrus]

how i can do big + on my character, like it was in TWW(weakaura)

[barren plover]

It doesnt make sense at all. You have one special spec where you need to dedicate early crafting item for most impactful item like weapon and essentialy forcing you to play that spec if you arent lucky enough to drop another weapon type so you can switch..

Who cares if you stab someone with sword or spiky boxer knuckle or dagger in 2026 wow.

[lavish shoal]

Yeah

All

Strike backstab evis I believe

[true jackal]

erm

so is this buff

or nerf

https://giphy.com/gifs/rukaateto-rukaateto00-kid-patrick-1VAhClIh0Tkz1XvLtF

[vivid vessel]

neither

dps doesnt move

assa got buffed tho

so indirect nerf

in my opinion

you can disagree but you would be wrong

[lethal oak]

Zac assa inc. Just as I predicted

[vapid salmon]

Is like they don’t want people to play outlaw

I don’t get it

[mighty pivot]

[true jackal]

its okay i will still play outlaw

[vapid salmon]

Same

[true jackal]

(im laying as soon as i get enough sparks to craft assa items ill reroll)

[vapid salmon]

That’s why they’ll keep nerfing it 🤣

[wintry leaf]

Assassin is boring compared to Outlaw imo. That's the issue.

And sub AOE is bland bland bland

[true jackal]

3.5% st

is good acctualy

right

[eternal hound]

Sub in general is bland

Then again I'm a warrior main at heart so tf do I know lol

[true jackal]

agreed

fun list

1. outlaw
2. assa
3. sub

i mean 10.sub

[proper veldt]

same every tier fr

[shell ingot]

I like how they are very precisely accurate while adjusting outlaw damage. We receive 1.674738% raise at one ability and 2.647478% nerf at another, while other classes simply get +50%

[proper veldt]

cba

[vapid salmon]

Yeah fr

Meme tuning

[wintry leaf]

@eternal hound fury is fun though, it's simple but has a dopamine hit. I don't see it in sub aoe at alll

[remote pecan]

I already pressed N and selected subtlety.

[vivid vessel]

idk maybe i do have an impact

maybe i dont stream anymore

[eternal hound]

....I'm an arms main mostly nowadays

[vapid salmon]

Maybe our patch notes have only a % of being a buff, like everything outlaw related

They roll a dice and if is good we get a buff

[astral granite]

Yo, crazy outlaw changes

[near holly]

Phys comp gamer skewing logs.

[wintry leaf]

Can we put supercharger back on RtB?

[knotty moss]

wouldnt the 4% flat increase boost outlaw single target dps?

[vapid salmon]

Yes but I think 4% of nothing is still nothing tbh

[knotty moss]

i did HC voidspire pug last night and got depressed when a sub rogue consistently pwned me

just logged off and went to a brewery for a beer or two

[barren plover]

well, maybe its time to switch to my old buddy ret paly which shreds in every M+ for half of the work which you put into everything as Outlaw.

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry im just gonna recode some custom cast bars in weak aura i think

it will be easier

[eternal hound]

Dosen't that mean we basically always reroll off cd?

[midnight granite]

Depends on your buffs. Or it used to

It being on rtb is bad

[eternal hound]

That just sounds bad to play with and also kinda kills superchargers value

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

how echo ahead and liquid already playing? lol or?

[jolly geyser]

boss dead on tues or wed

[vivid vessel]

LOL LIQUID IS SO WASHED LOSING THE RACE

METHOD SAME % AS LIQUID

WASHED UP NA

[gaunt phoenix]

LOL LIQUID IS SO WASHED LOSING THE RACE

[proven ocean]

LOL LIQUID IS SO WASHED LOSING THE RACE

[glass shard]

LOL LIQUID IS SO WASHED LOSING THE RACE

liquid more like bad

!

[vapid sundial]

torn

i have friends in liquid

but i dislike max

[mystic berry]

Yeah

I dont like him either

[heavy shadow]

So did we get a buff or nerf?

[mystic berry]

buff

[vivid vessel]

nothing happened basically

idk if you can consider that a buff

[heavy shadow]

The headline and the first line sounded good

[mystic berry]

These changes should be about a 3.5% ST gain while ranging from a ~2% cleave gain to a ~1% aoe net loss as target count increases beyond 5. In M+ it is probably a ~1% gain overall.
Why is Blade Flurry getting nerfed -> apparently they are so content with BF damage that even the smallest spec aura change possible needs to be offset by reducing BF. It is what it is.

copy pasting solo

[vivid vessel]

dungeon

"buff"

[mystic berry]

its a literal nothing buff

[vivid vessel]

do we consider that a buff

i wouldnt

[heavy shadow]

What did we do in a previous life that they hate us so much

Are we the bad guys?

[vivid vessel]

:D

[jolly geyser]

stv ganking

[mystic berry]

yeah that built a lot of bad karma

[jolly geyser]

cant say im innocent

[heavy shadow]

You might be right, and they never gave up the grudge

[jolly geyser]

"these fucking cc rogues" nerf them

[mystic berry]

SUB is still building bad karma in pvp though

so there is that

[jolly geyser]

they def are

[heavy shadow]

Btw how well does single ability spam work these days? I know in the past was terrible with stealth windows and so on, but nowadays if I’m lazy (or doing a fight I want to focus on mechanics) is it any good?

[mystic berry]

20% dps loss

roughly

[heavy shadow]

Oh shit ok then

Although I wonder how much I lose when I’m doing mechanics and not thinking of my rotation much

[vivid vessel]

well it should be more

its 20% less gcd

so at the very least it should be a 20% dps loss

but its prolly more

[mystic berry]

definitely

[heavy shadow]

If you just AR / RtB well, is there much more to it

[mystic berry]

the gcd increase kills the dps

[heavy shadow]

Ahh

I had no idea it did that

[mystic berry]

its more noticeable in high apm classes

like the law

[jolly geyser]

wonder how shit it is on prot warr

[heavy shadow]

So GCD is literally slower? Even though our spec is based on GCD

[jolly geyser]

of fury

[vivid vessel]

yes

[heavy shadow]

Lovely stuff

[vivid vessel]

20%

[heavy shadow]

I did some m+ with my DK and just spammed the button

Top dps

It’s mad really

[mystic berry]

its fine on dk iirc

unholy

not such big loss

[eternal hound]

for udk it's fine

for frost it's kinda shit becuase it dosen't use ERW correctly

Which leads to just running out of resources

[daring venture]

Hey guys I was wondering is it rly a buff what we get for the next patch knowing they’ll reduce blade furry dmg by 2% and Fate Intertwined by 1% ?

[gaunt phoenix]

It is a buff until 5-6 targets

[daring venture]

😔 mm+ pushers

[grim spear]

holy shit

so unfair

[cinder relic]

What's up?

[gaunt phoenix]

something something NA advantage

[quiet ore]

Tbf, it's not a numbers change, just slower more visible glaives

[vivid vessel]

makes p1 more consisten tho

[grim spear]

If you’re watching the stream, you’ll know how important this is

[turbid wren]

Just out of curiosity to understand your perspective, you saying they shouldn't have touched it? Like no nerfs at all?
If you are cool with nerfs happening in general, when would you recommend Blizz sending it so it's not unfair?

[vivid vessel]

dont think they should ahve nerfed it at all

no one is getting to this boss

till liquid kills it

[thorny zinc]

didnt liquid pull first so its like "unfair" for them no

[vivid vessel]

so it doesnt matter

[vivid vessel]

its the start of the day for liquid

[turbid wren]

That I can respect.
But anyone who says the nerfs are okay, the timing is the issue for them, are just silly imo

[thorny zinc]

true

[grim spear]

I'm cool with the nerf, just not with the timing of it.

[random stirrup]

i dont think theres even a perfect time to nerf

isnt this the best time? liquid kinda just starting and echo still has some good time left in their day

[frail veldt]

the best time to nerf is always earlier

than later

as long as a kill isnt like in less than 16 hours of a nerf its usually pretty fair

[random stirrup]

now that both guilds are getting out of p1 a lot they nerf p1

seems to make sense

[frail veldt]

also obv a tuesday morning nerf is op

[grim spear]

There’s definitely no perfectly fair timing for a nerf,

but this timing is just a bit too convenient

people complaining about it is completely justified.

[frail veldt]

how so

[craggy barn]

the most perfectly fair timed nerf is when i say its fair

[frail veldt]

I dont understand

what makes this nerf unfair

[craggy barn]

un fair because now liquid can slingshot ahead of echo and still not kill it, and then echo gets to slingshot ahead of liquid and still not kill it

and then

[frail veldt]

wait why

just cuz its nighttime?

[craggy barn]

/s

[frail veldt]

in eu/

but unless liquid literally kills it before or soon after echo wakes up then their prog is just gona feed into echos prog

I feel like there isnt a strong argument for why this is unfair

[craggy barn]

a nerf when a boss isnt close to death isnt bad

[frail veldt]

exactly

I see no issue

[craggy barn]

the raz nerf was probably the worst nerf timing ever

[undone notch]

I'm just hoping the Outlaw changes make us a Lil more favorable lol

[frail veldt]

it will not

[craggy barn]

this is like miles before something like the raz nerf

[frail veldt]

to me this is like about as fair a nerf can be

[craggy barn]

not even an hp nerf

[frail veldt]

people pulling at 60%

[craggy barn]

pretty fair

lol

[frail veldt]

nerf to the phase theyve already done

idgi

[undone notch]

Dunno why Trickster got hit with a nerf way more severe than Fatebound as compensation lmao

[craggy barn]

they dont want outlaw to potentially have omega busted cleave

[frail veldt]

they dont want outlaws aoe damage to go up

they must think its good where it is

[turbid wren]

Then that's just silly. When would YOU recommend the timing to be? No hypotheticals, actual time. What is your ideal?

[craggy barn]

its 60% of our damage!

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster bonus is multiplicative

[craggy barn]

!

[gaunt phoenix]

[craggy barn]

we do so much damage in 1 button!

gotta nerf else it op

[quiet ore]

Why they'd make one hero spec bf bonus additive and one multiplicative is beyond us

[undone notch]

Also funny to me that Outlaw got a single target nerf in pre-patch/beta just for it to be undone

[carmine seal]

So why the hell did they nerf blade flurry? Its not like we were doing crazy aoe anyway. I feel like if they just increased the damage it would be online with the other mid tier dps, no?

[frail veldt]

its beyond them too lolol

[undone notch]

WAIT WHAT

[craggy barn]

we dont know the reasons why they balance outlaw the way they do

[daring venture]

They just toss a coin

[frail veldt]

if they tossed a coin we would actually be strong sometimes

but they dont do that

[craggy barn]

they have someone log into a fateboutn outlaw rogue, and have a coin shit out their ass and decide based on that

[frail veldt]

in fact they do the opposite

[craggy barn]

heads and tails are both nerfs

[frail veldt]

they behave as if theyre very worried outlaw will be broken

[craggy barn]

just how much

[daring venture]

it’s bcs it’s always falling in the same side lmao

[snow stratus]

It’s “roll the bones”. Blizzard keeps rolling a 1. They haven’t rolled a 2 or higher yet for outlaw rogue.

[craggy barn]

i dont wanna know what happens when they roll a jackpot

-20% bf nerf, 2% aura buff

[keen belfry]

Send me

[grim spear]

what? weakaura live again?

[edgy walrus]

m33kauras fork

[outer meteor]

im so inconsistant on algethar 1st pull

sometimes i do less dmg than a 8 mob pull

uptime is so bad

might be a positioning issue

[craggy barn]

greed with cloak ez

[outer meteor]

i do that

[next thunder]

Outlaw bros... do I have to set my loot spec to sub to get Krik's Beetle Stabber (Dagger) from Pit of Saron?

[gaunt phoenix]

a lot of it is stage 3 getting to BR more

yes

[next thunder]

Just ran that armpit dungeon like 12x today and it never dropped

Ahhhh so I have to change my loot spec?

[gaunt phoenix]

you do

[next thunder]

This seems like an oversight haha, okay thanks

[craggy barn]

not really an oversight, just how loot spec has worked forever

bc outlaw mainhand is a 1her and not a dagger, our lootspec prioritizes 1h drops

[next thunder]

Yeah it's just weird that our bis is a dagger OH

[craggy barn]

its kinda always been like that tho, i think only times oh bis has not been a dagger is when all daggers have shit stats or cantrip weapons exist

[edgy walrus]

its better this way because you can target farm 1 or the other

[next thunder]

Ugh I literally ran Pit of Saron between M6-M12 like 12 times in a row and was wondering why the flip the dagger wasn't dropping now i feel dumb lol

[craggy barn]

yea its not entirely intuitive

but the best way to check

is to look at the dungeon loot pool in the journal

daggers dont show for law

im pretty sure this also affects rolling for loot?

i dont remember if outlaw can mainspec roll for daggers in raid

[outer meteor]

nah it might just be a skill issue on that particular pull

on seat 1st pull usually do 500 -600k

on that the most ive done is like 450

even with twice as many mobs

im just bad at keeping uptime

[craggy barn]

movement could just be fucking u

since tank has to move around a lot for the giga pull

[frail veldt]

Yep it's off spec

V annoying

[undone notch]

Trickster doing 45% cleave while Fatebound does 41% (after changes on Tuesday) makes me immensely sad

Genuinely thought that Trickster's cleave was substantially better

[quasi gulch]

Agreed, I'd rather play Trickster any day of the week

[craggy barn]

what if we are supposed to be playing trickster and thats why they keep nerfing bf

pepw

[undone notch]

The blade flurry changes makes more sense now that I know how they work

Both got their effect decreased by 1/6th

[pure mesa]

so are we actually getting any better on tuesday or is it still basically the same?

[next wedge]

id rather be reactionary and mad

[next wedge]

the exact numbers are in the pins

well

the estimated numbers

[undone notch]

There's no way

Our buff comes with a nerf

Truly only rogue could manage

[vague cape]

bm is allowed to blade flurry uncapped

🙂

[undone notch]

I love doing the same as other classes at our target caps and next to nothing in other pulls :)

Definitely needed the nerf gang

Ima be honest, we wouldn't of been that crazy if it was another 4% aura buff

If we're gonna have a target cap, shouldn't we be doing more damage than uncapped classes in 8 target pulls?...

[craggy barn]

an argument thats been posed forever

shrug

[jolly geyser]

why dont I get m+loot? explain DansGame

[kind axle]

you're not alone. I've had most of my rogues gear traded to me from others lol

[jolly geyser]

yep

[uneven terrace]

hey. sorry for the question but got anyone an idea how to track the roll the bones buff ?

[craggy barn]

add it in blizzard's cooldown manager under buffs

[novel isle]

I got 20 ring slots and not much else

[craggy barn]

the rtb buff changes icons based on the roll u got

[uneven terrace]

yeah i know but there is no other way to seperate the icon or make it bigger?

[craggy barn]

not base ui

[uneven terrace]

hmm ok

[pine oracle]

you can do it with ArcUI if youre okay using addons

[uneven terrace]

yeah currently i am using ellesmere ui

[pine oracle]

iirc arcui is just for the CDM so idk how compatibility work

[craggy barn]

ellesmere has a pop up citing incompatability with arc

[pine oracle]

oof yeah im not sure then

[craggy barn]

usually its no issue, but i had to just disable ellesmere bc its was annoying and it fucked with some shit

sinc ei used ellesmere only for pot/trinket tracking

[pine oracle]

word

regardlesss arc can definitely let you move and resize the RTB buff separately from your regular buff tracker

[uneven terrace]

ok ty

[pine oracle]

my ui is kinda gross but i did do that on mine so it 100% works

like my normal buffs are above the combo bar but RTB is fat and on the left

[random carbon]

guys any idea why my overall dps on details is not showing overalls? i put it on overall everytime but it doesnt count anything

[proven ocean]

It would’ve been fine if u didnt use traffic lights combo points

[weary goblet]

i tried recently this addon: "KeystoneLoot", pretty neat.
When you type
/keyloot

you can favourite items

and it shows you catalyzed items on the side

to see what stats

[craggy barn]

ye

[pine oracle]

ill make it all insane colors next time

[sullen walrus]

pit +15 first pack 🙁 it was like 500k+

[mystic berry]

isnt that

2 seconds ?

[ornate mist]

Evening all, wondering if anyone can review some of my dummy footage and give me some ponter and advice. Trying to learn Outlaw and struggling, if you check my wowlogs, gear, and rotation and let me know any feedback it'd be much appreciated. I uploaded a short video to YouTube for anyone to view if you find a spare second.
(Hyperion-TarrenMill)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We5k_tiI1os

Thank you again if anyone does have a spare second 🫡

[arctic hollow]

Your opener isnt right

Blade Rush is send before your first finisher. And your first finisher should be Dispatch for the Slice and dice buff

[mystic berry]

why

is the left damage meter

on another timer, its trippy

[crimson niche]

activate AR when AR running, building to 7 from 5 just to dispatch

[arctic hollow]

You dont seem to be tracking your Opportunity stacks, it's kind of important to know if you have 3 or 6 (one or two uses)

[keen belfry]

gonna watch this

[gaunt phoenix]

use dispatch at 5cps

[peak dock]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[gaunt phoenix]

you should dispatch at 5+ and bte at 6+

[arctic hollow]

At 150 you roll on a stage 2 you had just KiR'd, there was 30s left on it essencially wasting it's entire value

[gaunt phoenix]

Stop tracking fatebound coins and bte its just noise

[keen belfry]

solo when u help ppl how minmax do u get? cause would you explain to him that even tho he KIR'd correctly on pull it couldve been wrong since he has prep and might rolled a 2

[gaunt phoenix]

its fine to say it there's only so many rules

[keen belfry]

true

[arctic hollow]

I also have a question on the KiR at 1:20. Stage 2 at 30s, KiR ready, ADR 1mn CD.
Rule says you KiR which he did, but wouldnt fishing for the higher roll in 30s be kinda nice ?

[keen belfry]

yes, you couldve farmed next AR and pressed roll agian then KIR

[gaunt phoenix]

AR is low enough that your next roll would have loaded dice

So you optimally dont kir

[arctic hollow]

Thanks

It's infuriating understanding the spec but making mistakes because it's so intense while in situation

[inner yacht]

do the blue cp count for 5+ dispatch and 6+ bte rules or should i aim for 5/6 red ones disregarding if i have the blue ones?

[mystic berry]

you shouldnt count supercharged points

There is nothing stopping you tho

[gaunt phoenix]

Disregard the blue

[inner yacht]

thanks

[keen belfry]

this requires practice

dummies and inting keys

more than u think

[bold patio]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen belfry]

is there macro to cast oils at your weapon slots

[mighty pivot]

/use item:<oil item id> /use 16 (or 17)

but you would need 2 or a modifier since they have a cast time

[narrow vine]

#showtooltip
/use Thalassian Phoenix Oil
/use [button:2] 17; 16
/click StaticPopup1Button1

Left Click puts it on mainhand, right Click puts it on offhand

[rustic lotus]

Am i the only one who thought the RTB 'Containter' stuff was cool? Like it really felt like i was a cheating gambler

[fair charm]

I recommend getting buffreminders addon and you get a nice click thingy for it.

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel someone linked me this.. omgomg or?

[pine oracle]

that pvp iirc

[hollow tartan]

bait

[zinc briar]

i got a macro to focus target and add a mark (star) and i have my kick on focus:
/focus [@mouseover,exists,nodead]
/target [@mouseover,exists,nodead]
/tm 1
/targetlasttarget [@mouseover,exists,nodead]

but would like to add removing the focus clicking it again

someone knows how?

[proven ocean]

can this stop showing up when i have twitch turbo

or

[glass mortar]

using twitch in this day and age

[narrow vine]

You could add a
/clearfocus [mod:shift]

with a modifiere of your choice. maybe it works

[shy meteor]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mighty pivot]

clearfocus with a modifier definitely works, I'm using that for my focus macro

[balmy topaz]

It’s cus you’re a mod

More for like stopping ads for other viewers

If Zac is making a sick play

[manic quartz]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[desert tendon]

it s a setting you can diseable it. You see it as a broadcaster and a mod

dont ask me where i dont remember. Probably in ad tab in the creator tab

[indigo token]

it really does suck when you cant do anything about tuning

[long barn]

Does mythic raid drop BOEs?

[cinder relic]

Yep

They aren't on the ah until hall of fame closes iirc

[glass mortar]

^

u can only trade em with people in ur raid group

they change it post race or post HoF idr

prevent server hopping degeneracy

altho idk if the BoEs sell cross server now a day they might

[formal thunder]

they don't, but you can just stick em into the warband bank and sell em on a different server

[cinder relic]

It just stops the race and hof being about spending millions on boes

Not so much about server changes

[glass mortar]

well yea, they used to need to hop servers to buy up all the boes tho right

and yea its why they did it

ig with warbound future u wouldnt need to do it anymore

[gentle lotus]

New outlaw here. Quick qn are there any differences to talent build in raid for season 1? Or is it just 1 talent builds for all bosses?

[final pagoda]

aoe vs st

thats it

[gentle lotus]

Yea i saw on pins theres only this 2 while for other specs theres like m+ ,delves or raod specs. For midnight raid....do we ever use aoe spec since adds will usually die very quickly? If yes which are the bosses u guys use aoe spec? Many tks for helping answer

[final pagoda]

for parse, there are a few bosses where aoe build can help u

it also matters how long do they stay alive etc

u can look at top logs in wlogs to see how many of them used aoe build

if u care parsing

id say paladins is aoe 99%

[keen belfry]

if u go ST build on paladins u like to int

[frail veldt]

Best way to figure out what to run is usually to check wclogs rankings for your spec

You might get some pad builds but it'll give you the right idea

But yeah we have two main builds for st and aoe you can find in #outlaw-faq

[keen belfry]

this lat boss looks like a 500 pull boss

unless the last 50% is easy

[frank finch]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

im disapointed they nerfed the blades speed

legit so slow now a toddler could dodge

[keen belfry]

yeah but like i think they had to nerf it somehow

this legit looks crazy

[fathom bramble]

this might be the hardest interrupt mechanic the game has ever had idk

[keen belfry]

how does it work

[fathom bramble]

and they drop it right after killing addons that make it reasonable

[keen belfry]

are there like 15 assigned kicks?

[fathom bramble]

yes

[keen belfry]

yeah thats stupid

[fathom bramble]

if you kick at the same time and waste too many it is legit impossible

[keen belfry]

how do u even assign that

like how do u target the one youre supposed to

[fathom bramble]

Focus boss frame 1/2/3

[keen belfry]

my god

atleast its a boss frame

[fathom bramble]

count your kicks on your focus

and then @ focus kick

[frail veldt]

Add-ons of course

Aren't all of them named the same too

So you have to like auto mark them somehow

[fathom bramble]

but it's still an incredibly tight kick mechanic on mobs that are legit spinning

[keen belfry]

i didnt know there was a boss frame for it that makes the actual kicking part much more doable atleast

but 15 kicks?? nah

[frail veldt]

Yeah frankly it's an awful design

[vivid vessel]

ij vyt yiy fonty count anything tho

uh

[lime lake]

uh

[frail veldt]

Rofl

[vivid vessel]

ok but you dont count anything tho

there is a debuff

i thouight it was quite smart of blizzard

[frail veldt]

Well you still have to know which kick is yours right

[vivid vessel]

the debuff is litteraly an interupt weak aura

you just need to know your number

and read the number

[frail veldt]

Yeah you're kicking on 4 or whatever

[keen belfry]

oh thats cool

[frail veldt]

Sure

[keen belfry]

is it on the nameplate?

[vivid vessel]

you dont need to count

[keen belfry]

native

[vivid vessel]

ye its a debuff

[frail veldt]

The assignment is dog shit though

[keen belfry]

nice

[vivid vessel]

theyu have a stack

[keen belfry]

thats a good thing atleast

[vivid vessel]

-1 stack everytime they get kicked

[frail veldt]

How do you know which is yours if they're all named the same

[keen belfry]

15 kicks is fucking ridiculous tho

[fathom bramble]

true

[keen belfry]

like when my guild gets here it better be one kick

[vivid vessel]

boss frame

they use macro target boss frame x

[frail veldt]

Super fun

[vivid vessel]

but yopup could also always select the same boss frame

[frail veldt]

Why not just name them

[keen belfry]

like this GENUINELY seems like a 500 pull boss

[frail veldt]

.....

[vivid vessel]

sure

[frail veldt]

Lazy?

[vivid vessel]

i dont think it would be better with names hto

:D

[frail veldt]

It wouldn't be worse

[keen belfry]

i agree

youd use a macro still

[vivid vessel]

you would still do the same thing

[frail veldt]

But yeah same same

Have to write a macro for the boss regardless

Which is kinda meh imo

[vivid vessel]

eh

barely

[frail veldt]

Not very compelling to me

[vivid vessel]

you can mouseover macro the boss frame

[frail veldt]

I like movement complexity a lot more than kick rotation

[sinful mist]

its pretty good how they solved it to do it without addons, ofc its easier with them but just not impossible

[frail veldt]

Slowing the blades as the nerf feels weird

Over nerfing the stupid kick bs

[vivid vessel]

also mewo

i learned how the weak aura thing worked

[keen belfry]

i think it would be 1000X better if it was just like, kick the boss 10 times in a row

[frail veldt]

Do tell

[keen belfry]

instead of 5 on 3 diff adds

[vivid vessel]

its not actually an exploit

its exactly what i said

[frail veldt]

Is it manual input?

Neat

[glass mortar]

isnt it 5 different people inputting something into chat

1 for each symbol

[vivid vessel]

well we knew it was manual input but

[glass mortar]

because u cant read whats in chat being communicated

[vivid vessel]

in theory you cant comunicate with addons

between addons

[glass mortar]

but the addons can see ANYTHING was put in chat

[vivid vessel]

but they arent doing that

[frail veldt]

Aaaaah

So then how

[vivid vessel]

basically the buttons are like i said kinda just macros

[frail veldt]

How does the information get aggregated

[vivid vessel]

and they input in a special channel chat an id

id for an icon

and then the display is just a chat addon

that display the chat in a circular way basically

[frail veldt]

They communicate through a special channel?

[vivid vessel]

well its not communication really

the chat is just displayed

by the addon

in a circular way

like its still all secret

and then the addon display icon:secret from chat you know

which isnt illegal really

its like

clever

i guess

you get me or

idk if i explained it well

like i thought it was basically an exploit and i didnt understand why blizzard was allowing it

but

its not really exploiting anything

[zinc briar]

zac if u keep doing 19 keys, we will be nerfed again

[vivid vessel]

when its litteraly a chat window displayed differently

so i understand why blizzard cant just disallow it

[sinful mist]

if they do, they have to disallow every other "skin" addon like unitframes, details etc. because its just the same

[vivid vessel]

ye like to not allow that you would have to not let chat addons skin any part of the chat i think, like it would be a black box wiht text in it that you cant directly interact with, rn the chat is at least secreted strings, which means you know when a new one is added, you know that it contains something, and you can format that line

[frail veldt]

Hmmmm

I mean it sounds like they found a way to communicate info through chat

[vivid vessel]

i mean

yes

but no

[frail veldt]

So the display is a direct visual representation of chat?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[frail veldt]

So it's not info per say

[vivid vessel]

the chat is just

[frail veldt]

It's like a font

Or an image

[vivid vessel]

ids

[frail veldt]

Via text

[vivid vessel]

they send icon ids in chat

via basically macro right

[frail veldt]

Thats funny

So they aren't "reading" chat

They're displaying it

[vivid vessel]

then the addon everytime a new chat line is added, it will just do like, formatToIcon(lineadded)

right

which is fine

[frail veldt]

That's funny

[vivid vessel]

like the line is still a secret

and never read

[frail veldt]

It's a workaround for sure

[vivid vessel]

tehcnically

[frail veldt]

They are "communicating" in a sense

Yeah they don't interpret

[vivid vessel]

ye kinda i guess

[frail veldt]

Therefore not reading

It's just displaying

They don't know what they're displaying

[vivid vessel]

thing is addons need to be able to do the bare minimum like that to skin chats i think so

its not really something fixable i think unless you fully put the entire chat into a black box so addons dont even know a line was added etc

[fathom bramble]

blizz could have had their own ui element for it

[vivid vessel]

and the black box is entirely displayed by blizzard

[fathom bramble]

this mechanic requires some kind of 3rd party something in order to even be possible

[keen belfry]

genuinely why isnt the fight designed in a way that shows the raid soemthing similiar to the addon,but maybe u have to remember 2/5

[vivid vessel]

i mean

its intended to be done so that

the people that are assigned to doing symbols have to queue up mic

and say symbol in order they appear

[fathom bramble]

yeah that's 3rd party software still

[keen belfry]

is it designed for one person to afk and just remember the order?

[fathom bramble]

and also giga stupid

[vivid vessel]

i guess

i mean my imediate thoguht to do the mechanic was having people press macros that type the symbol in chat

[keen belfry]

like how would you genuinely play the game, do dmg, dodge, and then watch order, remember it, then guide ppl

[vivid vessel]

which is basically what they are doing

they just have a way to display it after

instead of reading from chat

symb ols

[sinful mist]

you could easily just use blizz chat by creating a new window, drag it so it only displays one line, and post the world marker icons there instead of the icon ids like they do. looks a bit uglier and u need 5 makros for 5 markers but still not impossible without 3rd party addons

[vivid vessel]

but that would be another way of doing it without third party

[vivid vessel]

they have 5 macros anyway

[sinful mist]

ye but clickable icosn

that act as macros

[vivid vessel]

yes yes

i just mean its the same

[sinful mist]

ye

[keen belfry]

is this not a super stupid mechanic to showcase how we dont need addons aynmore

it should be designed in a way that you are assigned your mark first, THEN it shows u the order so u can move as you see it

wouldnt that just make more sense

[sinful mist]

that would make the mechanic way easier, yes

almost irrelevant

[keen belfry]

easier yes, but more importantly, doable

it would not become irrelevant

[vivid vessel]

ok but its a mythic mechanic

[keen belfry]

yes ik but my point is that this way is doable without the shit fart i read in chat as to how they do it

increae the marks

reduce the time

but the sequence part cant be this cringe

[vivid vessel]

ye but if you see it after getting symbol

you dont need to remember

[keen belfry]

if its fast enough there will be confusion and panic and easy to mistake

[thorn parrot]

!tricks