outlaw

[arctic hollow]

You run out of tea super fast and struggle

[blissful idol]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[raven sundial]

am i crazy or BTE has this weird lag

[mighty pivot]

do you mean with its resets?

[fair ore]

Yup that’s my biggest issue atm

My rotation feels fine but there’s the pockets of downtime due to no energy

[keen violet]

Yep also running out of energy in long fights.

[novel isle]

I did some fight vs target dummiss the other day and was about 15 mins without losing energy

Making sure to KIR as much as possible saves energy spend on rtb

[static crescent]

Its the low target counts that starve you

[novel isle]

and the faster you go the more BR/AR you get which means more energy too

[static crescent]

Try hitting a 2 target and maintaining BF at dummies

[karmic gust]

they need to tweak the weights on RTB as well

feels like it's .8 on the single buff

[keen violet]

They need to take it out of the gcd that's what they need to do.

[karmic gust]

spec feels insane when you get a jackpot tho

[novel isle]

I rarely see it now, I get a AR on most of my rolls

Idk, I forgot about trying to optimize my casts and I just trying to go faster and now all those issues I had rarely come up

Why smart button when more button do same job

[prime belfry]

Would love your details profile this looks amazing

[waxen scarab]

is it true that max talked about how dog shit rogue is in the raid?

[karmic gust]

installation process is a pain rn i need to tweak it

[novel isle]

He didnt see your name yet he does not understand

[fresh cairn]

cant find how to do it, at which flat crit % gem with extra crit dmg becomes better?

[cinder relic]

U mean the mainstat one?

[fresh cairn]

ye

[cinder relic]

Probs when u have enough sockets to get the effect going

[fresh cairn]

so its not like gearwise, but more of socket wise?

[placid ocean]

How much haste?

[cinder relic]

Yeah cuz u get crit per diff socket

So until u get socketed helm belt bracers it just doesn't get a lot of value

[novel isle]

think im at 21%

[placid ocean]

I get to 22% with flask, but haven't been getting AR for every reroll

I do if KiR is up

[rotund haven]

Got a crafted one hand already and a hero off hand axe….should I craft a dagger or boots with my second craft?

[azure snow]

How’s everyone liking outlaw.?

[fresh cairn]

good flow, absolute dogshit efficiency

[jolly geyser]

dont craft OH if you just play outlaw imo

pray for daggers to drop (like me)

[azure snow]

I wanna be good with outlaw but I feel like so bad with boss Dan

Damage *

[rotund haven]

My experience this season my single target kinda pumps

[rotund haven]

Yeah thinking this is the play

[azure snow]

Maybe I target swap too much and forget to swap back?

[weary goblet]

I am hoping for that, cuz my champ track weapon is not impressing me or the meters XD

[trim harbor]

Just be a gigachad and craft a dagger

[eternal hound]

Bro

HA HA Look at this cope

[rotund haven]

I did this a lot when I first started, getting a good nameplate setup helped me keep focus on dangerous casts and not tab target as much

Currently use platynator w jundies profile

[azure snow]

Hmmm ok

Cuz I’m sub now cuz I suck at damage on outlaw def a player issue I think but idk where I go wrong yaknow

I enjoy outlaw more tho

[eternal hound]

Just fuck it we ball and play outlaw

[rotund haven]

Outlaw just takes some practice, once it clicks it’s addicting

[jolly geyser]

Just keep hitting buttons and it will click (if rng allows)

[novel isle]

you need to go faster not smarter

if you spend more CP you will get more AR

im no expert, you likely do better than me

XD

[placid ocean]

I'm solidly blue in my parses

[novel isle]

idk what that means

[placid ocean]

It means I'm mid

[novel isle]

I only do M+

[eternal hound]

Unfortauntely it absoutlely clicked for me

God I love this spec, break my hands more

[novel isle]

it really is so much fun

id have given up by now as my DPS had been dog

but its so fun I had to learn it

[tropic zephyr]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[static crescent]

Hardest rule for me to follow is at 4cps with 3 opportinity stacks u dont finish

[placid ocean]

My main goal is M+ but I've cleared H Voidspire

[static crescent]

Literally impossible for my brain

Not finish, i mean use pistol shot

[eternal hound]

Okay

I memed and set my spellque to 1

No. Holy hell no

[static crescent]

What do you have it at normally? Been considering changing mine to lower

Idk what default is even

[novel isle]

your goal is not to optimize each cast to be at max stacks, your goal is to go as fast as you can, more casts is better

[eternal hound]

-Default is 400

What's what I normally play with and for my latency it feels fine

[novel isle]

the time spent to get max cp can be used building for the next finisher 😄

[static crescent]

Both is optimal :]

[novel isle]

fast first

[static crescent]

Go fast and correct end goal

Hard to say at what point your playing well in general

[novel isle]

optimal and slow is 40%, fast and dirty is 70%, both is 100

[eternal hound]

So question

How long do you guys hold BTE for rush?

[static crescent]

Barely do anymore, depends how calm the situation is in general for me, like 2 finisher wait max (13s?)

Usually you lose that one SC only atleast with my potatoing

[novel isle]

I dont, unless AR is coming up in like 1-2 finishers

faster is better, if you get lucky on your BTE it resets and gets AR off cooldown, then you can do it

the reset is pretty common tbh

so just send it and if it resets hit AR

[empty tulip]

i love having a handful of top 100 parses because 5 people play this spec

i get to larp like im good

[static crescent]

M+ key level parsing is depressing

When theres 30 rogues logging

[empty tulip]

i have never once looked at m+ parses lol

thats a thing?

[static crescent]

Idk, i do it to compare myself to nerds in uptime etc

[frail veldt]

The auto marking addon for the adds on the 2nd to last boss

[novel isle]

Comparison is the enemy of Happiness

[near rock]

Guys there is INSANE tuning being announced today

Trust me

[alpine smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[frank hamlet]

40 runs, no loot. idc about tunning anymore. i'd prefer they increase drop rate 💀

[vivid vessel]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[rough oriole]

do you need to solo the ?? boss for crests

[worldly ridge]

No can be group

Group kill time should be <10 minutes so might be faster as well

[rough oriole]

ty

[worldly ridge]

Just make sure to kick nothing except the important boss cast. Keep your kick in intermission for when boss returns. It sucks to wipe cuz no one range kicks the boss when he comes back

[light kernel]

is trickster way behind fatebound in m+?

[glass mortar]

Only a few %

[gaunt palm]

I just had 32% jackpot and 37% triple threat uptime in a full key, I think the upcoming outlaw buffs are already live

[obtuse brook]

we're getting buffed?

[brisk meadow]

i think the jackpot is having a full buff comp

[frail veldt]

Not that we know of

We could

But we've also been worse before and gotten no buffs for a whole season

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt @glass mortar

[obtuse brook]

oh alright, I just saw the "I think the upcoming outlaw buffs are already live" and got excited

[vivid vessel]

scripe just called

[frail veldt]

Good morning Zac

[vivid vessel]

remove all melees

only ranges

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOL

The ultimate strat

Wow has peaked

[vivid vessel]

haha

so funny bro

[glass mortar]

Has there ever been a raid tier where u played zero ranged on like half the bosses

I get that it flip flops back and forth in raid

Sometimes melee favored sometimes range

I never remember a tier this bad tho

Even in the race

Never this bad for ranged anyway

😠

[eternal hound]

Guys...who do you bring for bleed dispell

[frail veldt]

wdym

[eternal hound]

For AA

[frail veldt]

theres only one class that has bleed dispel

[eternal hound]

Oh so literally I need an evoker

[frail veldt]

no

you just dont bring one lol

its not like you can only clear AA with an evoker in your group

that would be insane

[eternal hound]

yeah

But these tanks are also fucking stupid and need help

[frail veldt]

no class will cure that

theres no dispel for stupidity

[eternal hound]

I can try

I literally had

Two insta bricks

Like bro

if you're not confident in lasher pull, just tell me

I'd rather do a sub optimal route then wipe and insta brick

[mighty pivot]

are you guys mentally prepared for the great tuning being announced today?

[eternal hound]

What tuning

[near rock]

The tuning to rule all tunings

The king of tuning actually

[frail veldt]

I cant wait to watch guy go wild on twitter after rogue gets no buffs

[craggy barn]

why rog buffs? perfectly tuned no notes

frfr

rogs belong in the city

[vivid vessel]

rogue is seeing play on one boss so idk

seems fine to me

1/9

[craggy barn]

exactly

[real flicker]

outlaw does more damage than tank this season

no reason to buff

[craggy barn]

outlaw doing high keys no buffs

[real flicker]

[eternal hound]

Guys do yall ever just get suck ass in keys

And fumble your entire rota and rage quit at your own stupidity

[craggy barn]

ass is a different spec

[eternal hound]

Sin dosen't exist

[light kernel]

assa is looking strong in m+

[craggy barn]

ive fumbled prep opener from time to time

but the whole rota no

keybind issue

[eternal hound]

No just

actual straight skill issue holy fuck

[craggy barn]

well yea

[eternal hound]

I'm gonna crash out at myself again

[craggy barn]

outlaw hard

[frail veldt]

just play more

then you can do your rotation in your sleep

[craggy barn]

i bullied a raider to quit rog because they decided to main outlaw hoping to get into our mythic raid

[frail veldt]

LOL

[craggy barn]

they were not good

[frail veldt]

I mean that was silly of them

[craggy barn]

and he was told to play rog, and no one asked me anything about what to do

wrong crafts and everything

[frail veldt]

are you also on rogue?

oh boy

[craggy barn]

im tank

[cinder relic]

https://x.com/i/status/2039958354978869734

Peyton Tettleton (@tettles)

Class tuning prediction

Rogue:

Atrophic Poison Buffed to 6% (was 3%)

Developer Note: Please play Rogue in your raid.

X · Apr 3, 2026, 6:49 AM

[craggy barn]

i play rog in our 2nd raid

[frail veldt]

6%% would be kinda wild

[craggy barn]

and i out dps everyone in that

[frail veldt]

oh yeah blood you said that

[craggy barn]

ye

[frail veldt]

unfort for the little rogueling

[eternal hound]

Yeah this shit is actually genuinely hard to play well...so much to pay attention.

I love this spec shame I'm dog

[frail veldt]

well if it was easier and you were better at it you might not love it as much

being hard is part of its charm

[cinder relic]

It'd scale to 7.2 too

[eternal hound]

Oh no I'm not mad at the spec

[cinder relic]

[eternal hound]

I like a hard spec with things to pay attention that isn't like frost

Or a pure burst spec where you afk outside burst

[craggy barn]

i like outlaw bc its not the same keybind spam for 2 minutes

[eternal hound]

True

Outlaw feels like a piano spec almost

[craggy barn]

also low variability gcd

problem rn is energy

[eternal hound]

I mean honestly

Between arms, outlaw, and frost I feel like they all have resource issues atm

Which feels....very goofy

[craggy barn]

resources are weird

[eternal hound]

I'm not saying it applies broadly, but it's a trend that's getting very obvious

[frail veldt]

should have played it before haha

this is the simplest outlaw has been since DF s3

it def has a lot of rotational buttons compared to most of the cast atm

I think it only lost 1 rotational button going from TWW to Midnight

[eternal hound]

I did play it briefly in remix

[static crescent]

still hard for me tbf

[potent ore]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[arctic hollow]

I'm getting 4 stacks of charged combo point at the key start, is that a bug, did i dream that they reset ?

[gaunt phoenix]

the first 2 stacks dont reset

so you have 2, key starts, press AR at the first pack, you get 4

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt

you there

I actually have an idea how you could do the lura mechanic without any addon but still the addon way

like you just need a button bar in the middle of your screen, with a macro that send a /s symbol for each symbol

and its exactly the same as they do with the addon

since its only 3 people clicking

they would print the symbol in order in chat

[frail veldt]

Yeah that's like the add-ons for the first boss of tazavesh streets right

But slightly more manual

Can't possibly be against tos right

[eternal hound]

Addon for the jail?

[twin linden]

dumb question, if you DONT have the 25% haste do you play trickster instead or does it matter?

[vivid vessel]

well no that addon was showing a weak aura for everyon

[frail veldt]

I meant to put the symbol pattern into chat

[vivid vessel]

ye but

[frail veldt]

At least that's what I used I think it was a wa

[vivid vessel]

i wouldnt be using any addon there

its litteraly 100% natty ui

and honestly

its so close to what they are doing with addon

only thing you dont have is the pretty visual

[cinder relic]

U never play trickster atm

Just throw a haste flask on and figure it out later

[twin linden]

thanks

[frail veldt]

Yeah at that point though if you can do it without an addon then even if they ban it what's the difference

Namean

[frail veldt]

Trickster actually wants more haste

[twin linden]

ah gotcha ty

[unborn moon]

Outlaw isn't terrible right?

finally got a MH and ran a +11, straight pumpin

[unique fulcrum]

not terrible no

getting into pugs might be difficult tho

[unborn moon]

Is it's ST feeling good? I do enjoy that the ST build has BF if needed on pesky shitty adds

[tiny dagger]

sureley this trinket is busted no?

[novel birch]

Pugs are hard, but I finally got into a +10 last night and was top dps. The hunter failed us cause he wouldn't stop standing in the boss AOEs

[static crescent]

are we ready to receive our buffs

are u PREPARED

[lethal oak]

Pretty long internal CD I think

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt

for 2/3 pulls

liquid got the bklades things stuck inside walls

so they dont bopunce

[frail veldt]

Hahahahahaha

[vivid vessel]

blizzard dmed them almost instantly

to tell them to stop

so why are they not doing the same for the addon xd

[frail veldt]

Guess they're fine with it

Lol

[keen belfry]

how do i look at logs to see healing reduced

[vivid vessel]

its wortth it wang

every dungeon you think about

its alwyas worth it

[violet osprey]

do we have any clue how solarflare works on the sims?

does it take into consideration the hp loss of the mobs or not?

[keen belfry]

im pretty sure its giga in masiaira

[vivid vessel]

yes

first part

[keen belfry]

i just wanna see how much worth

those berzerkes live so long usually

[vivid vessel]

you need to check a log

without it

i had some

[keen belfry]

i haev alog

[vivid vessel]

first area they have 100k hps

so with poison they owuld do half that

so thats essentially a 50kdps gain

from poisons

[keen belfry]

yeah i have them at 54k in my log

so thats for sure worth

do oyu think its worth it in magisters

that big mob?

[vivid vessel]

it is

i didnt know it healed

we first timed the key today

[radiant kelp]

guys random question

how can i turn off my combo point under my health bar

[peak holly]

personal resources in options i think

[keen belfry]

iw onder if just defeault tohave the heal cut talent

like every dung

[radiant kelp]

nuh wasn't that one 🙁

[gaunt phoenix]

In normal sims the mob health decays proportional to the time spent

[jolly geyser]

ClearRogueComboPoints

[gaunt phoenix]

so yea it does model the health loss

[radiant kelp]

what is that

[jolly geyser]

what you asked

[radiant kelp]

i mean

is it an addon or what

[jolly geyser]

yes

[radiant kelp]

ah thank you so much i see

[unique fulcrum]

2nd outlaw to do 18 pit intime

[novel isle]

Time for a sim methinks

[novel isle]

Because it teaches blizz how to stop it working

[gaunt phoenix]

old timewarp shit might not be implemented in sim

[oak forum]

Hello guys
Do you think this trinket is better than Solarflare Prism ?
I just loot this in timewalking chest

[novel isle]

^^

they were just talking about it

[glass mortar]

sim it

but just reading it my guess would be no

prism is so strong because its overbudgeted so other trinkets would need to be overbudgeted to compete

[gaunt phoenix]

.

[glass mortar]

well poo im on mobile and that wasnt on the same page when i opened discord

mb

waut wtf that trinket isnt even rppm

is this cata timewalking

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[glass mortar]

~28% uptime on that proc and it will basically proc in the opener and every 1.75m after

if its not underbudgeted might not be bad tbh you'll basically always have it for lust if u lust the opener

i actually had that trinket on my monk last expac and it gives u the PI spell effect visual when it procs

looks pretty sick ngl

[static crescent]

at 266 sims 190 less then crucible for me

[glass mortar]

can u link the sim with it? does it have a detailed report?

u could probably look at the uptime in the sim to see if its acting as expected

its a 20% proc chance with an icd so its pretty easy to calculate what the uptime should be. easier then rppms anyway

well hasted rppms. regular rppms are also easy

[static crescent]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dDHzC5xArHbDtgAW9emz3x

idk just did that

[glass mortar]

ah nah cant look at the details

u have too many swaps

if it seems to be similar to other trinkets of similar ilvl its probably acting as expected tho

its funny u managed to get a 19 ilvl version of it in ur sims tho

[light kernel]

what is good 3rd craft? i crafted 2x weap previously

[glass mortar]

third craft u really start just depending on what gear u have

rings, boots, some people r even making engi helmets (if ur an engi)

sims the best way to find what the biggest gain is

[outer meteor]

looking good guys

only been in queue for 30min!!!

[thorn parrot]

thats about normal

[jolly geyser]

any tips how to get loot from m+ guys?

most my upgrades been traded to me

[novel isle]

anyone looking for their ring crafted? I need some work haha

[gaunt phoenix]

Not the place for that

[novel isle]

lol fair

sry! 😄

[frigid olive]

Yeah it takes me a long time to get a +10 and i'm at ilvl 265. Groups mostly taking sub or no rogue at all this season.

[glass mortar]

@fathom bramble u ever have this bug mid delve where alleria just randomly dissapers from ur party even tho shes still there fighting with u and u can no longer use tricks?

lil bit annoying in an 11 ngl

[novel isle]

use the box to call for her?

[glass mortar]

yea she teleports to me... shes still not in my party tho

the last time this happened i had to just run out and come back in

thankfully it happened on the first pack

[frigid olive]

Happened to me at the grudge pit the other day when I hopped to 2nd level. its annoying

[glass mortar]

alleria ditched me 😭 @desert tendon

update: Everytime I pull a mob and kill it, i leave combat and she immediatly runs to the closest enemy and starts attack it entering me into combo

this isnt her normal run 2 miles away from aoes either im just killing normal auto attack mobs and anytime i finish combat she immediatly sprints to the next enemy and starts fighting it

[uncut fulcrum]

bruh am i crazy its hard af to get 25% haste naturally

[glass mortar]

nope season 1 stat budget is pretty low, you really only need to go for 21-22% tho

its in the FaQ

[uncut fulcrum]

thanks

so just chug blood knight flasks like cray

[gaunt phoenix]

Mostly jewelry

[desert tendon]

i'd like to ditch you as well

[gaunt phoenix]

There's only 2 crit haste rings i think

[keen belfry]

well theres some in other seasons so this isnt totally true

dawnbreaker has one

just saying solo

[vivid vessel]

stfu wang

wang

im going back to suf

ive had enough

[keen belfry]

how?

[vivid vessel]

https://github.com/NoSelph/ShadowedUnitFrames/releases

[keen belfry]

do it work?

[vivid vessel]

it do work

[keen belfry]

ok

ill try

plaguefall has a crit haste ring too

[gaunt phoenix]

Tf cares about next season

[keen belfry]

me

are those even in next season

[glass mortar]

hmm

how much haste does flask give this expac

[gaunt phoenix]

165

[glass mortar]

it was 4.2% last right

[uncut fulcrum]

is cru7cible of erratic energies really that op? keep seeing videos that myth raiders are using it

[glass mortar]

its very strong for its ilvl yes

and they probably dont have double mythic trinkets or bis heroic ones

[gaunt phoenix]

It is THE best passive trinket at champion ilvl

But it will fall off

At higher tiers

[uncut fulcrum]

ok ty

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel send profile i need a better base template thanwhat this is ving me

giving

[vivid vessel]

nvm

cast bars are trash

in suf

idk man

unlathed doesnt have support for raid and party it annoys me

[desert tendon]

idk man

[glass mortar]

max title

@vivid vessel

[novel isle]

sarcasm?

[glass mortar]

yes obviously

every1 is shitting on blizz for this last boss WA shenangins

[novel isle]

I dont watch any RWF lol

[keen belfry]

oh yeah

[glass mortar]

they are using an extremely powerful WA for the core mechanic of the fight

[keen belfry]

need the cast WA back

[glass mortar]

custom addon thingy

[vivid vessel]

[cinder relic]

I'm so pro addon purge for raid encounters I'm mega let down by them not cracking down on these things honestly

[glass mortar]

im gunna be honest

[novel isle]

as a coder id be curious what backwards way they found to do the WA

[glass mortar]

i do wish they had just deleted them all

but they were never gunna dedicate the resources it took to replace them well enough by midnight

stuck in a no win situation

they rlly just shoulda delayed it

[latent oak]

or just not fast tracked it xdd

[cinder relic]

Well it's more an issue of them like, going back on some things, for valid reasons, gave people new openings to solve fights with similar tools

[keen belfry]

i forgot how pretty this addon is @vivid vessel

[novel isle]

I have a question, are these top teams good enough to not need these addons they made?

[vivid vessel]

D:

[cinder relic]

I hope with the debuff/buff overhaul they manage to nuke all these addons

[cinder relic]

There's already no much execution on these fights any of these tools just make the fights 10x easier

[keen belfry]

find a cast bar addon

[novel isle]

No Playtonator?

[coral wyvern]

Been leveling a rogue for the first time, and I am having a blast with Outlaw, remind me Fury so much (but even better)
It is any good in endgame? M+ and raids

Also, any addon to help move the combo points out of my healthbar? I use blizzard interface and it seems like I cant move it alone

[glass mortar]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[glass mortar]

replace it with wangbar

outlaws ok in m+

good aoe dam (limited by target cap) wishy washy boss damn

not good in raid tho

middle of the melee stack about (but melee arent good this tier)

very very bad low target cleave. i think fury has way more then us RN, u do very poor damage on 2/3 targets

[static crescent]

WHERE PATCHNOTES

WHERE BUFFS

[cinder relic]

It's like, alright in m+ at least for the time being in the melee comos

It's a lot of effort though so be mentally prepared for that

And then in raid it's bad, but all 3 rogue specs are very shit in raid

It's like a 1-3 melee tier on most bosses atm

At least, on mythic, on the hardest bosses

[dim parrot]

Guys what macro do you use to mark your focus kick in m+ ? I used to have one but it doesn’t work anymore but I notice people are still able to do it

Like triangle etc.

Used to use /script SetRaidTarget(“target”,8)

[nova sinew]

15% INJECTION ETA 30 minutes . . .

[near rock]

I heard it was 12%

[jolly geyser]

6 or 7%

[narrow pasture]

bold to assume rogue will be in the notes

[livid trench]

Another 4% aura buff take it or leave it lmao

[next shuttle]

We rapidly use vanish whenever patchnotes are about to be written

[nova sinew]

race will be decided by who has the most geared outlaw

[fathom bramble]

yeah very often, but if you want to tricks her you still could when it happened to me you just had to have her as a focus target

no idea what causes it

[glass mortar]

ah maybe it wasnt working because i was using the priest PI macro tricks

probably broke somehow

i need to add a mousover to it

smh lazy priests not including that by default

her pulling behavior is very funny when shes bugged i basically faced a combat gauntlet as she emptied the delve

i had to go pull the boss to prevent her from pulling more

[violet osprey]

Tyty

[fathom bramble]

could try pinging something to tell her to attack

might fix her ai

[fluid meadow]

i want this guy instead of valeera, this little friend never dies, and followed us in our whole journey until we suicide

[foggy cove]

what should i craft after spellbreakers blade

[dim parrot]

Anybody?

[zinc briar]

No hotfix?

No buff rogue?

lets goooooooo

again

[quasi bone]

do u guys ever feel energy starved

[zinc briar]

i feel my life starved playing this sht

🙂

[wide coral]

yes, not always though

[formal knot]

i use one like this
/focus [@mouseover,nodead,harm][]
/tm [@focus,nodead,harm] 3

[quasi bone]

its really weird that a high apm class

has downtime randomnly

very confusing

[vivid vessel]

energy never been this bad for outlaw

its alright tho

devs know better

about whats fun

[wide coral]

yeah for sure

they know what they are doing

[quasi bone]

yeah idk man im trying to alt an outlaw rogue

[zinc briar]

removing the purple roll would be an option

[quasi bone]

and this is painful

[wide coral]

they should allow us to upgrade rolls with every rtb cast to be honest

[quasi bone]

yeah take some of the rng out

[zinc briar]

even if they let us perma jackpot we would be middle table dps

[wide coral]

when do you feel the most energy starved?

[quasi bone]

with a one or 2 roll inside of aoe packs with no adrenaline up

[wide coral]

haste cap?

[quasi bone]

i am not at haste cap

is that the issue

[zinc briar]

when u have to bf with 2 or 3 targets saving cd coz pull is about to die

[wide coral]

are you using flickening steel or versatility?

[static crescent]

where notes, wanna see them before bed

[quasi bone]

vers

[wide coral]

try flickening steel until haste cap

[quasi bone]

should i swap to flick? okay

[wide coral]

makes the 1/2 roll not feel so bad

[random island]

[*sighs*] Outlaw is fucking garbage. Can we have combat back?

[wide coral]

with the procs

[quasi bone]

i appreciate it

[wide coral]

do you have tea charges being tracked?

one thing I like to do is try not to waste them on the end of a pack

[quasi bone]

yeah so its such a pain they made that a passive

manually using tea is such a better play

or make it like an energy gain on using spenders or something useful

[keen belfry]

where tuning at team

[soft abyss]

one hour later due to daylight saving

relax guys

it's coming

[quasi bone]

how does outlaw feel in raid

[gaunt phoenix]

An uphill battle

[fluid meadow]

i don't understand that 18 usage or the energy table is not correct?

[vivid vessel]

what ?

whats the issue with 18 usages

[gaunt phoenix]

I don't see the number 18 in this image

[slim hare]

thistle teq

[vivid vessel]

1800 tea

energy

100 per tea

quick math

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[fluid meadow]

i mean energy seems mostly fine until 12 min, but every tea have been used compared to timer?

[zinc briar]

mmmm

where is the hotfix?

[fathom bramble]

should be around this time or in the next couple of hours if we get one at all

[vivid vessel]

why are you guys expecting anything

didnt they say they would do the first 3 weeks

[fathom bramble]

I'm expecting an arms buff personally

[vivid vessel]

which they did

[lethal oak]

There is no more tuning

[fathom bramble]

there is expected tuning this week

[vivid vessel]

i see

maybe rogue finally get buffs then

[slim hare]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[fathom bramble]

not buffing at least 1 rogue spec after watching them get sat in nearly every rwf comp would be criminal

and since the rogue specs are at least somewhat close rn they should buff them all ideally

but we said basically exactly the same thing last week and got nothing so

we'll see

[proven ocean]

Zac

Ur a cow

[vivid vessel]

yes

[frank hamlet]

which is the worst rogue spec rn?

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/help-pirate-aaaah-help-pirate-baby-carghhh-gif-26274997

This you?

[vivid vessel]

should buff outlaw more if we wanna be honest but we know that wont be happening

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[fathom bramble]

yeah if I had to guess it'll just be another 4% on each

imagine if it was like 4/10/6 or something

[proven ocean]

React kekw if u think outlaw is top dps in raid fights and thays why its in rwf (true and real)

[fathom bramble]

outlaw rising

[static crescent]

id take 4%

im almost 100% its gonna be nada

[vivid vessel]

i have accepted that outlaw ownt ever be good in raid nayway

[proven ocean]

Rising sideways

[vivid vessel]

just looking for my sneaky accidental m+ buff

im still not toping keys while being the only member not being a raid buff

gg

and target capped !

whatdehelly

[proven ocean]

Why need to provide raid buff when ur bottom dps anyway

Also uncap will probably keep it useless in today’s m+

Blizz think we unlock thanos’s gem powers if we get uncapped dmg

Prob won’t be close to meta realistically speaking

[vivid vessel]

would just help not hard fall off in certain dungeons/key level

[proven ocean]

Its like

A reverse niche that we’re capped

Certain dungeons ur just straight up useless

0 aoe dmg

[wide coral]

would help if our low target cleave wasnt dogshit

[flint sun]

hate having to guess between which tree to use

[fathom bramble]

Yeah that use to be the justification for our cap

Or the tradeoff i guess

Now we are still capped and have no low target cleave either

[proven ocean]

Realz specifically mentioned that

[vivid vessel]

wdym

we play fatebound

[proven ocean]

Which is what explains that we have a new dec

Dev*

[flint sun]

i mean between like being better ST vs MT

[vivid vessel]

mt ?

[proven ocean]

Main target vs single target i guess

[flint sun]

Using Dancing Steel/Grand melee versus not using it

I've just kinda felt bad in m+

[vivid vessel]

its 5% st loss

no

reallky isnt

we have had way worse seasons

in regard to that

this is definitly not one of them

we lose 5% st going aoe talents

pick them and be happy

[proven ocean]

5% is fair idk

[flint sun]

i miss the between the eyes stun 🪦

[vivid vessel]

5% is nothing

we were losing legit 20% st

in tww s3

[proven ocean]

💀

[flint sun]

what talents do you run

[proven ocean]

Assa used to lose idk 50% st?

[vivid vessel]

the ones in faq

[proven ocean]

With bleed build

[vivid vessel]

nice cuh

[keen belfry]

man

assa rogue in full ST

[static crescent]

trying to practise AA first pull with outlaw in 12s, fuck my life this is cursed

[keen belfry]

in m+ buiild

holy moly

[proven ocean]

How can it be in full st in an m+ build

[tired rune]

[proven ocean]

Its like saying i wanna tank on my resto druid

With feral gear

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

tune in liquid stream

tehy are killing the boss

[proven ocean]

Okok

[vivid vessel]

actually not bait its the first time they get to p2

[proven ocean]

Wdym they still 60

[vivid vessel]

gg

only 60% left

dying tonight

[proven ocean]

Ok dmg was crazy

[blissful idol]

last boss aura farming

[proven ocean]

I mean dmg isnt crazy actually

Half raid is dead

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble how long do i need to wait for tuning

[fathom bramble]

probably an hour

[proven ocean]

Is last phase easy on hc or what

[keen belfry]

im saying doing fully just st in a key with ur m+ build

i swear zeross cant read

[vivid vessel]

ok 1 h i can do

[fathom bramble]

I would have expected it by now most of the time, but any later than an hour from now and it's very late

[proven ocean]

How can u fully st as an assa

[fathom bramble]

5 PM blizzard time rn

[proven ocean]

Did u ever play assa in ur life

[fathom bramble]

it has to be soon

[keen belfry]

when you pull a boss thats one mob

[proven ocean]

Ye?

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry i tried grid2 (terrible addon) and cell (i cant move my party/raid frame anchors without being in a raid so)

[proven ocean]

U dps it what about it

[vivid vessel]

i need soething else

[keen belfry]

it was so bad

comically bad

[keen belfry]

healer addons never

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

unalthed refuses

to make raid and party frames

like

tf am i supposed to do

im getting tilted by blizzard shit

[keen belfry]

is there anyway u can just take the castbar from unhalted

and use suf

[vivid vessel]

yes of course i can code an addon for that

its cringe tho

[proven ocean]

Ok this is like

[vivid vessel]

i dont wanna do that

at all

[proven ocean]

Raszageth p3 but harder

I see

[vivid vessel]

why do i need 10 diff addons bro

usually i would just fix things with weak aura

shit still so bad

[keen belfry]

why doesnt the WA cast bar work

why is that blocked

[proven ocean]

Blizzard wanted it simpler so now u need 10 addons to do 10 different things that weakauras did all by itself

[keen belfry]

player one works

[vivid vessel]

because its all secret and he didnt update it to work with secrets i guess idk

player is never secret that doesnt count

[slim hare]

tilt ;e so bad too

[keen belfry]

ahh

[slim hare]

cant have a ui for healer and dps

[vivid vessel]

have you seen the liquid weak aura on last boss btw

they killed weak aura for that

[slim hare]

aalways one fucked

[proven ocean]

What last boss

Dimensius?

[vivid vessel]

all for liquid to make the most egreguouis weak aura i have ever seen

[vivid vessel]

lura bro

the boss they are on rn

[proven ocean]

Wtf they had a wa?

[vivid vessel]

the tier without addon

ok bud

look

[slim hare]

just revert everything

[slim hare]

current state is pathetic at best

[vivid vessel]

certain people have these

[lime lake]

that doesnt sound right

[vivid vessel]

its buttons they click to assign order

[proven ocean]

[proven ocean]

Good one blizzard

[vivid vessel]

and then it shows like this

[proven ocean]

[lime lake]

how can liquid have a wa like that when this is the stream title

[vivid vessel]

in lil minimap

so they can position

[fathom bramble]

the mechanic is also just nightmarish without an addon

[proven ocean]

Dude

[slim hare]

they shit on bliwward too

[fathom bramble]

actual gimmick mechanic on the final boss of a tier...

[proven ocean]

Imagine if liquid utilized external WAs

That’ll get them banned but

[vivid vessel]

very much way jharder ye

[proven ocean]

It’ll be crazy

Its surely bannable tho right?

[vivid vessel]

tho i thought of a solution you could do to have the same logic has liquid addon without any addon

[proven ocean]

Cuz its way too crazy

[keen belfry]

idk how they designed this and thought it was a good non addon mechanic

[slim hare]

told you that already

[keen belfry]

you what

[proven ocean]

Im like

[slim hare]

i want what they are soking

[proven ocean]

90% sure liquid knows about the external WAs

Not sure tho

Not many ppl know about them

Not sure if they can even do them aswell

They prob can

[slim hare]

i think they know

[keen belfry]

zeross for sure knows more than them

(hes lvl 82)

[glass mortar]

i dont mine the mechanic

but

[vivid vessel]

since people clicking are pre assigned anyway, you could have an action bar in middle of your screen with macro that each write a symbol in chat, and then when people see the symbol they just press the corresponding macro,, and it would write it in order in the chat like:
diamond
square
circle
etc etc
and then you do the mechanic by following the order in the chat, the only difference with the addon is that you dont have the pretty picture helping you position @fathom bramble

[glass mortar]

blizzard is dumb

[glass mortar]

u can do this mechanic for the race

the game ui should provide u basic elements of what this WA does

as part of the boss

like a bonus bar

thats was ff14 would do

[slim hare]

echo had external stuff ready just in case id bet liquid too

[glass mortar]

with this type of fight

[proven ocean]

I infact do sometimes know things they dont lol

[fathom bramble]

wait that's real

?

[glass mortar]

like ur rl can input an order the whole raid sees

[proven ocean]

Bro thinks everyone’s like him

[glass mortar]

if u wanna design a boss like that

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

this is a nerf prolly no lok

[surreal flower]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2285930-class-tuning-incoming-april-7/

[dry ermine]

real

[fathom bramble]

I mean nerf in keys yeah

-10% BF damage +4% remaining damage

[stiff vector]

nah

there is no fucking way

that is real

[fathom bramble]

or maybe not quite 10%

[proven ocean]

What are u doing here buddy go back to runescape wtf

[vivid vessel]

thats kinda gg i guess

[keen belfry]

no you dont

[vivid vessel]

outlaw about to do 0 damage again

[proven ocean]

Wait says me

[dry ermine]

sub angle even more now

[stiff vector]

THEY CANNOT BE FUCKING SERIOUS LOL

[proven ocean]

[slim hare]

thats crazy inco;petence

[vivid vessel]

how low can this number go to

challenge

[fathom bramble]

might be a nonchange for overall in keys ?

[proven ocean]

Gingi called me the biggest bug abuser in wow for a reason

[stiff vector]

yeah I mean this entire xpac is cooked, might jut be a gg and hope they fix their shit for next season at this ppoint

[keen belfry]

keep living in dragonflight lil bro

[vivid vessel]

idk why we cant just have nice things

[fathom bramble]

7% nerf to the damage BF was doing, 4% buff to the remaining damage

[surreal flower]

[proven ocean]

Ur the guy speaking ur grey logs buddy

[keen belfry]

arent we going to be even worse in low target cleave

[proven ocean]

Noob as always

Dont forget to do ur +10 weeklies if u need help ask zac

[fathom bramble]

no

sort of

[proven ocean]

[fathom bramble]

in a manner of speaking

[keen belfry]

well said i understand

[fathom bramble]

this is a buff at 2/3 targets for sure

but the difference between our single and 2/3 is even lower now

[keen belfry]

whats it like a 1% buff at 2/3?

[junior glacier]

Are recent buffs W or L

[hardy vault]

[left jay]

So ST buff at the cost of some AoE?

[fathom bramble]

this is a buff in keystones if "all damage by 4%" is actually all damage by 4%

[left jay]

I don't mind it but I wanted more

[fathom bramble]

assuming BF is doing 50% of your damage or less

[keen belfry]

its right at 50% i think

[fathom bramble]

any situation where BF is even less damage is more of a buff

[hoary mountain]

hold on, how much of a nerf is this actually if all damage is increased by 4%?

[eternal hound]

Bro....what

[stiff vector]

I mean they are so utterly clueless its insane

[hoary mountain]

I feel like we should getting a 2% increase at least with BF

That or I'm dumb

[proven ocean]

Wait

Cleave is about to go down bad

Hooly

[fathom bramble]

it's a 7% nerf to BF damage and a 4% buff to your damage overall

so it is mostly even/minor buff in key overall I think

[proven ocean]

[junior glacier]

Yeah let’s give a nerf to the worst spec in the game

[fathom bramble]

it is probably an unnoticeable change in key overall

in exchange for a raid buff

where we are actually super bad

[stiff vector]

yeah but its the mere fact they thought they had to offset the aura buff, with nerfs to BF is so insanely clueless that its just hopeless atthis point

[proven ocean]

Trickster is used in m+?

[keen belfry]

if its this, im down and dont really care

[proven ocean]

or no?

[stiff vector]

theyre completely cooked

[fathom bramble]

no one plays trickster idk why they nerfed it too

maybe just to keep it the same amount of bad

idk

[keen belfry]

down for anything that doesnt make us play it

[civic zephyr]

in keys tho we are not good either tho..so i dont get it. We are okay, but our season will end much much sooner than any other spec.

[royal badge]

"we see this spec severely underperforms, so we'll nerf it further"

[jade crag]

so are we closing the discord yet?

[fathom bramble]

outlaw is seeing reasonable to good performance in keys

compared to raid where we sorely need a buff

[proven ocean]

Ok

[fathom bramble]

like we aren't S+ tier caster comp good

[slim hare]

ia tuning fro; pronpt by a guy zhos never played outlaw

[fathom bramble]

but it's not like law is bad in keys rn

[proven ocean]

I calculated it in my head

[keen belfry]

akirio is hammered

[vapid blaze]

wtf are they smoking

[past falcon]

wellness check on akirio

[proven ocean]

Aoe seems like a small nerf

[stiff vector]

I mean they absolutely did not need to nerf anything related to BF whatsoever

[plush grove]

hahah I legit dont get balancing the BF dam

[frail veldt]

Ummm

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-midnight-the-cat-cat-cat-meme-funny-cat-gif-81113296414293415

[frail veldt]

So

[proven ocean]

But overall it should be the same

[frail veldt]

Wtf

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

[jade crag]

Blizz out here obsessed with giveing 4% buffs because they dont even know how the class works anymore

[civic zephyr]

Yes it is okay. But like why bring outlaw rouge? It doesnt do anything? Its target capped, the higher you push the worse it will get

[vivid vessel]

am i wrong

[stiff vector]

also does nothing to fix low target cleave being completely abysmal, as the only hardcapped spec in the game.

[vivid vessel]

20% decrease at 8 target ?

its just completly over no

[stiff vector]

yeah bigger deal for 8t

[fathom bramble]

how could it be a 20% dicrease at 8 targets ?

[analog fog]

😂

[fathom bramble]

it's a 7% nerf to BF cleave damage

[vivid vessel]

idk i guess i did bad math

[slim hare]

broken keyboard playing with lyout to ;ake it ok

[unkempt dew]

But why tho

[keen belfry]

@past falcon help him

[novel birch]

Holy shit

[unkempt dew]

Its not that outlaw rogue was over preforming

[novel birch]

we got a burf. A buff nerf

Or we're getting one on the 7th

[proven ocean]

Aoe nerf seems cooked

Ngl

Good luck with that

[novel birch]

That's what I thought

[glass mortar]

its a blessing

nobody wants to play it

nerf it more

[novel birch]

but it's by like, singler percentages afaik

[glass mortar]

or fix it

choose one

[ripe ibex]

thats gotta just be a mistype

surely

[stiff vector]

I mean is it even really an overall buff on some of these bosses in raid where theres significant cleave/aoe?

[jade crag]

https://tenor.com/view/hoppy-pepe-the-frog-driving-hoppy-the-frog-carry-minati-gif-11823957163445095231

Outlaw cant catch a break

[ripe ibex]

that change makes no sense

[royal ermine]

more nerfs just delete the spec

[copper radish]

Waiting for pin like

[wintry solar]

Guys

[copper radish]

It’s over?

[fathom bramble]

damage at 8 targets while doing full BF cleave ignoring poisons, blade rush, and BF impact damage is a 3% nerf

[eternal hound]

Well

[fathom bramble]

and that is the most extreme possible on paper case

[wintry solar]

The game would break if they didn't nerf BF

[eternal hound]

Good thing I'm leveling arms I guess

[stiff vector]

Like sure our ST/boss dmg will be marginally less bad, but a lot of stuff is like 2-5t cleave in raid, and that is going to just be equally as bad as before

[shut lichen]

some monkey paw ass tuning

but something i guess

[fathom bramble]

the nerf in reality is lless than 4% and can verge on a buff depending on how your key is pulled

[novel birch]

So, wait, someone explain to me exactly what the fatebound nerf does

[spark quarry]

Isn't it a nerf In m+ scenarios? XD

[twilit frost]

Funnel buff no?

[novel birch]

Increases percent damage blade flurry spreads by 5 (was 6)

[copper radish]

So do we go from last to second to last on ST boss dmg?

[eternal hound]

You loose 1% damage from the talent

[novel birch]

That's nothin' tho

[eternal hound]

I have literally no clue why they worded it like that

[light kernel]

wait did they nerf oru aoe

our

[shadow trellis]

I cant believe they actually nerfed cleave

[keen belfry]

when i first read the notes i fully expected the number after the blade flurry line to go up

[novel birch]

Overall, we're doing more damage overall, so the AOE nerf keeps us pretty much where we are already. Our ST got a buff, so that's good imo

[stiff vector]

I mean its just completely baffling they seriously thought BF needed more nerfs, like bro what in the fuck are we doing? Precise cuts is gone, and base BF is 28%?

28% bf

[gusty topaz]

Seems cooked

[stiff vector]

btw

[frail veldt]

So it's 3% nerf to bladeflurry damage per target which means total flurry goes from 36x7 which is 252 down to 33x7 so 231

[vivid vessel]

guys im sorry im just bad

at google sheet

[civic zephyr]

it is when you add in the other 7% from BF dmg

[frail veldt]

Show me fixed sheet

[civic zephyr]

now we are losing 8% aoe?

[novel birch]

Well let's see how it feels when it lands

[fathom bramble]

napkin math says no nerf/buff in keys

[frail veldt]

I figure we lost like 10% aoe damage relative

[novel birch]

they're clearly scared of outlaw being too strong, but idk why

[frail veldt]

And got a 4% st buff

[fathom bramble]

on like 8 target pulls it is a slight damage loss

[frail veldt]

So like 6% overall nerf

[fathom bramble]

and then you make up for it on bosses and lower target pulls

[proven ocean]

I think overall dps is lower

Wait no

[mint ether]

pirates are frightening

[proven ocean]

Dps is same

[civic zephyr]

can they just give us a nice 20% buff and we call it a day.

[hoary mountain]

Like just give us a buff to our energy ffs

[static crescent]

wait what

[proven ocean]

Can someone link their m+ dmg breakdown

For a sec

[vapid blaze]

but why even nerf it was outlaw overperforming in keys or what

[proven ocean]

Any1

On abilities

[torpid fiber]

probably broken in 10s

[novel birch]

NO way

[civic zephyr]

No...

[keen belfry]

wait let me cope, anyway this is a buff at high targetcount cuz stuff like BR?

[thick vigil]

The most damning thing is that every other spec that was touched had some dev notes meanwhile NOTHING from the devs lmao

[stiff vector]

yeah but we are still equally as shit on 2-5t basically, so are we really making up for it on lower target

[hoary mountain]

I feel like I'm doing ok in m+ but when rng doesn't go my way, the spec slows down and feels bad

[proven ocean]

Yes yes buff in aoe when they nerf bladeflurry NA math strikes again

[novel birch]

Yeah, I wondered why that was... No excuse as to why we got nerfed slightly along with the buff

What's the logic behind it dawg?

[proven ocean]

[fathom bramble]

make up for it as in your overall is just the same

[remote pecan]

Bahaha outlaw worst spec in the game and getting nerfed.

[fathom bramble]

obviosuly we are still bad at 2-4

[remote pecan]

I'm done

[fathom bramble]

but when you look at key overalls our damage is literally the same

if not slightly buffed

[stiff vector]

yeah like my point is...effectively is doesnt change anything besides doing more boss dmg

[proven ocean]

Ngl