outlaw

[static crescent]

I mean, biggest trigger for me is bosses like 2nd boss in MT

[glass mortar]

u can run into some real bad times if u used all ur tea on mobs before a boss

[static crescent]

who takes 20 years to walk out of the bubble

[glass mortar]

ur also hyper garbage at like 2-5 targets

worst we have ever been easily honestly

as target counts go up u do better tho

[fathom bramble]

saving prep for bosses when it makes sense seems to help a lot

at least for me

[static crescent]

honestly im not playing rep, should that make a difference overall

prep*

[glass mortar]

it helps

u have double AR for the first pull which tends to be larger then normal with lust and all cds which is definitly noticable

and u can hold it for important packs or bosses if ur not holding it too long kinda

[fathom bramble]

it's one more thing to manage so it might put a weight that makes you mess up more to be fair

[glass mortar]

it definitly adds some load tho yea

[fathom bramble]

but it definitely has a lot of value if you have good timings for it in the key you are in

[static crescent]

Yeah, i mean im still struggling with basics while doing mechanics

maybe later

[kind vapor]

Do you pop prep instantly after AR at the beginning of fight in ST

[glass mortar]

if BtE is on cd yea

[static crescent]

but approaching 15-16 range I do feel like for the first time that im just falling behind my friends

[glass mortar]

its usage is pretty flexible tho

[frail veldt]

My energy in 2 target trying to keep bladeflurry up is AWFULLLLL

[glass mortar]

🙂

[kind vapor]

Feels like even if my rotation and opening is perfect on ST I am 20-30k behind all top dps lol

[glass mortar]

never thought id see the day outlaw was this dog on 2-3 targets ngl

impressive stuff by the dev

[fathom bramble]

if you look at 2 target sims we kind of just need to go for 25% to make outlaw feel even remotely acceptable on the 2 target fights

[glass mortar]

[sage bronze]

fucken struggling on beloren as outlaw

I feel all over the place

[fathom bramble]

you can swap flasks in a key to change between crit and vers if you really want to

[glass mortar]

yea u unironically want to gear more haste for dedicated 2t fights

[fathom bramble]

but I just run 24.8% haste in keys with a haste flask

keys with 2 target bosses*

[frail veldt]

Hot take end of season we have weapon swap for haste?

[glass mortar]

uh

[frail veldt]

Why not

[glass mortar]

i mean thats a funny idea but weapons have fuckall secondaries

[fathom bramble]

a single weapon is only like 0.8% haste though idk

[glass mortar]

ud probably gain like 1% if u swapped both

[frail veldt]

Yeah sure

But

WHY NOT

[glass mortar]

well because u probably have some embellies on ur weaps

could make another set ig

[frail veldt]

Yeah end of season

[fathom bramble]

yeah crafted dagger oh is bis

so you will have at least 1 wep to swap ig

[kind vapor]

Lets see who has farmed the most pit of saron for dagger and ring

[cinder relic]

This could always have been done with weapon enchants

[frail veldt]

I just mean there's more reason potentially now with how impactful haste is on your rotation at low target cleave

I'm def planning to go past the suggested haste target for m+ cuz I figure accounting for actually pressing feint in high keys will want us to have more haste

[vivid vessel]

https://mega.nz/file/OqASFbCT#DUCZ41HTwgDcQi0tqZ_EsUstwUQpDNjKlsxgXFxYhrY

[glass mortar]

thanks zac

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean liquid did 2%

[wintry solar]

Suspicious link...

[vivid vessel]

[kind axle]

I've done so many friggin pit keys for the 5 pieces in there. Got 2/5 today. Never seen the dagger drop. Even recruited a hunter buddy to loot spec surv so I get another chance at it. So unlucky I swear

[mighty pivot]

I downloaded that and now my desktop background is an anime catgirl waifu?

[glass mortar]

yes, problem?

have u watched zac streams???

[clever sun]

thanks zac

But I just learned that your font cannot be used on Chinese servers

TvT

[vivid vessel]

oh ye its possible

i dont think it does russian alphabet either

well the font name is expressway

if you wanna look for it in chinese maybe it exist idk

[static crescent]

you press prep after AR duration is finished right ?

[wintry solar]

Deleted my bunnygirl waifu >:(

[static crescent]

so you have the BTE up 100%

[clever sun]

zac,I would like to ask you, why is the D1 material not used in the squad frame in this version

[glass mortar]

u can use it as soon as uve cast AR and have Bte on cd

should try to get BR on cd as well if u have tier probably (or anytime ur in aoe)

[strong cargo]

no, but you only press adr again when the previous one is finished, you press prep to reset bte/br and use them

[static crescent]

So in theory you can not have BTE up for the 2nd AR's superchargeds?

might not have*

if you press it after AR is finished you will get supercharged right

but you lose 15s on the prep cd

[glass mortar]

yea might not have it up, doesnt really matter tho

[strong cargo]

you can wait for bte to be back to use 2nd adr, or just use it and not wait for bte it doesn't matter, you chose

[glass mortar]

if u know u wont lose any uses u can hold it if u want

[static crescent]

tired as balls but il go try prep in some random 12

How much is the loss of dps from Summarily dispatched? with the assumption you wouldnt press Prep, just to understand the loss for this

[vivid vessel]

squad frame ?

oh you mean party frame

unfortunatly unalthed addon doesnt do party frames

so im using blizzard frames rn

i might go back to an unofficial version of shadowed unit frames tho

unalthed is legit inting auras tracking rn im not happy about it

the shadwed unit frames update is doing a good job with auras on the contrary

[shadow trellis]

Gamers, how has outlaw felt on cleave bosses in dungeons?

Like the trio in seat or 1st boss of MC

[glass mortar]

awful

our low target cleave damage was nuked it wouldnt surprise me if we are among the worst classes/specs in the game for it now

[shadow trellis]

Ouch

[fathom bramble]

bottom 3 really do seem to be the 3 rogue specs lol

[glass mortar]

yup

[fathom bramble]

and maybe ele ?

[glass mortar]

i am trying not to exagerate

it really is quite pathetic tho

and they did a lot of work to make it that way so

🙂

we used to do as much as double damage on 2t just last expac

now we do ~20% more damage then ST on 2 targets

[desert tendon]

Nice design

does that mean on 20 targets you do 200% more damage than ST then Weran?

Oh wait

[novel isle]

Just did the 5 timewalk quest

[glass mortar]

liquid just had a 0% pull (the boss died), i think they might kill it first, thoughts? @vivid vessel @proven ocean

[vivid vessel]

gg

[keen belfry]

ty

[glass mortar]

the cast bars on these starting adds

wild

[vivid vessel]

wtf

idk what happened !

[glass mortar]

the stars are spamming a 1.1s cast

that murders the raid

funny stuffs

[fathom bramble]

mandatory tongues

[vivid vessel]

not sure it works

[glass mortar]

what if numbing works

[vivid vessel]

wl thign is stronger

:D

way stronger

[glass mortar]

do they not stack

[vivid vessel]

if it works

idk

[glass mortar]

last i checked the attack speed parts of these things stack

do the cast speed ones not

like numbing and dk swing slower stack

[vivid vessel]

only one part satck

if you say its the attack speed

then its the attack speed

nah i think the kick thing is easy

if everyone uses the macro that just kick a guy casting

like tab target kick

you will just instantly kick all the kicks no

gg go next

or

[serene urchin]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[glass mortar]

yea i mean handling it with 2 aoe interupts followed by everyone throwing all kicks at the wall while they finish the adds isnt too bad

man why do i ever look at other classes talent trees

its crazy the hoops they jump thru to make outlaw have a real secondary like crit with zero in and bte stuff @fathom bramble

then i look at dev randomly

oh

[fathom bramble]

oh

[glass mortar]

that was hard

eles got the same thing

devastation has the same thing

idk who else those are just the ones ive looked at

[wintry solar]

Closest you can have is imp bte

Take it or leave it

[keen belfry]

zac keeps getting gapped on vorasius

even on boss dam XD

bro is so washed man

[wintry solar]

He just needs subway surfers gameplay on his 2nd monitor

[leaden sonnet]

Why the fuck does their spells say that when ours just say "20% more critical strike damage bonus"

That tooltip is way less confusing than ours

[glass mortar]

newer probably

or just smarter dev

[leaden sonnet]

Nah the sub ones are from midnight too

[glass mortar]

better looking

probably has a boat and a nice car

💅

why make easy to read/accurate tooltips when the blizz devs know nobody trusts tooltips in this game anyway?

seems like a waste of time if u ask me

[vivid vessel]

really?

[keen belfry]

sorry bro

idk what to tell u

[vivid vessel]

you have 4 ilvl over me lil bud

[wintry solar]

I like ours more tbh. What else do I need to know?

[vivid vessel]

bro awang ..

you should be ashamed

thats with 4 ilvl ?

aint no way

[leaden sonnet]

Well 20% critical strike damage bonus is actually 10% more damage

Not 20%. Which confuses people

[keen belfry]

yes but i raid lead so that takes about 5 ilvl off my gear

thoughts?

so basically u lost with 1 ilvl on me

[vivid vessel]

you raid lead voracius lil bud ?

[keen belfry]

yeah nbd

huge rl fight

okay guys dodge here

then do adds

[vivid vessel]

i didnt roll jackpot tho

you got 40%

[keen belfry]

you played noob build

opportunity build

[vivid vessel]

so i basically beat you while being handicapped

nbd

[keen belfry]

u got so many fths and builder dmg

basically cheating

heavy shitter build is what u run for why?

[vivid vessel]

cause i think 2 ace is even worse gameplay than 1

so i wont do it

wont see me building at 5 cp lil cuh

not me

nono

[keen belfry]

u cant even build

[vivid vessel]

what about my dragon kill awang

i was dead 30s

and i gap you

[keen belfry]

rank 1 dead 30s

[vivid vessel]

yuh

[keen belfry]

its just cuz awang not tehre yet

[vivid vessel]

thats whats up

[keen belfry]

his shit guild will be there in like 3 weeks

[vivid vessel]

waht about this nuke lil bud

aint even on the same page

[keen belfry]

ill be there in 2 weeks

[vivid vessel]

gapping you by more than 1 page nbd

[keen belfry]

zac im in RWL guild ok?

[vivid vessel]

i see

same tbh

[keen belfry]

look at our guild dps

[vivid vessel]

my guild is trolling this tier

[keen belfry]

my guild genuinely thinks outlaw is op

[vivid vessel]

we couldnt even do all our splits in one night

kinda cringe

[glass mortar]

zac do u talk with ur raid

[keen belfry]

yeah...

[glass mortar]

is it only us u hate

[vivid vessel]

yes

[glass mortar]

wow

ok......

[vivid vessel]

i mean im not a talkative person

[glass mortar]

...

[vivid vessel]

but i will talk

if i need to

like if they say that zac is inting

and its the other zac

not me

have to speak up you know it

[glass mortar]

zac do i turn 3 pieces of veteran stuff in to tier....

[keen belfry]

yes

[glass mortar]

its not worth it surely... i should just farm some hero stuffs....

[vivid vessel]

if its 4p ye

[glass mortar]

it never drops tho

[vivid vessel]

is it 4p

then yes

[glass mortar]

yes

[vivid vessel]

is it not

then no

you are trolling not doing it rn

[glass mortar]

4 set with 1 champ piece and 3 veteran

[vivid vessel]

i mean wait veteran ?

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

cant you get champion litterlay

[glass mortar]

absolute dog

[vivid vessel]

killing blue mobs

[glass mortar]

i should be able to

[vivid vessel]

outside

[glass mortar]

i havent gotten

[vivid vessel]

doing world quests

[glass mortar]

the 3

[vivid vessel]

tf you doing

[glass mortar]

tier slots yet tho

🙂

[keen belfry]

weran ur casual jsut get ur 4p

[glass mortar]

i have 50000 champ trinkets

and rings

unironically

[keen belfry]

then accumulate charges

[glass mortar]

i might have every champ trink in the game nbd

i mean i vendored like all of them

[quaint mauve]

yo guys

what’s up

[vivid vessel]

i have 5 mythic slots weran

how bout you

nbd tho

[glass mortar]

1

[vivid vessel]

im juiced up like that

[keen belfry]

yeah and u got gapped

[glass mortar]

my belt from vault

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

[keen belfry]

and gapped

[glass mortar]

and 1 hero track

[quaint mauve]

i have 3 myth pieces

am i cool

and like 4 champ pieces

[glass mortar]

its ok im about to craft a dagger oh

whats the other weapon embelly

i have the void ass one

[keen belfry]

banger?

[glass mortar]

is it hunt

what stats does hunt even give in sims... this thing sounds like poopoo

[wintry solar]

You call?

[frail veldt]

I think you want one of each

Void and hunt

[glass mortar]

well yea i dont think they stack

they havent b4

but theres like 4 darkmoon weapon embels

i guess the other ones look bad as well

i just wonder how hunt behaves in sims if it gives different secondaries based on target type

[vivid vessel]

im doing this tomorrow when i wake up, unfortunatly im getting a bit fucked by trinkets cause im sneding hc on a sub trinket that i cant play on outlaw https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9p2Zjuc72TyRsP1YigCmJo

[keen belfry]

ur gonna be giga holy

[vivid vessel]

wait no its missing

something

one sec

its missing ilvl

one sec

missing 60 mythic crests

sending rn

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qwTGzsRv1CbNsFjSBXRYgM here

75

nice

[keen belfry]

its blast time

[vivid vessel]

what if puzzle box is a outlaw trinket

tho potentially i get guidon hc and ugprade that instead

nvm

[novel isle]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[indigo token]

i think i might have stumbled upon a nightmare scenario

being trapped in a mediocre mythic guild

[thin snow]

That feels like a choice

[eternal hound]

Eh thats not bad

Get logs and move up

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar

are you watching

most weak aura shit i have ever seen on a boss prog

legit never seen something as weakauraesque as this

[glass mortar]

LOL yea

[vivid vessel]

its more weakauraed than the weakauras we had

i cannot bro

this is so funny

[eternal hound]

Did they seriously make the last boss the addon one?

[vivid vessel]

i have never seen

a weak aura like this bro

no cap

dont think it ever was that bad

also im surprised blizzard is allowing them to do that

bit confused

[glass mortar]

that mechanic

is going to have like 3 people total to line up by the time i see it

lmao

[vivid vessel]

no but

why is blizzard allowing them

to do that

i dont get it

just tell guilds to not do it bro

and they wont

easy enough

[inner sky]

Its like normal laws, there only for the poors

[frail veldt]

Liquid or echo

[frail veldt]

They can't stop them

They simply aren't capable of designing around it

[vivid vessel]

liquid

at first i thought they had to click on the symbol but i dont think so

it just does it auto i think

[vivid vessel]

they can

max as said numerous time

they ask blizzard what they are allowed or not

to do

casue they dont wanna risk a ban

or anything

so why is blizzard allowing it ?

like blizzard man could dm max rn and say stop it, do the mechanic

and they would

so wjhy

[frail veldt]

Sure but I feel like it'll always be a grey area somewhere

Oh wow okay that's pretty egregious lol

I just saw the pic

[craggy barn]

its insane

[vivid vessel]

bro thats

[craggy barn]

[vivid vessel]

far from a grey area

just tell them no

how stupid is blizzard

i have never seen a weak aura do so much weak aura shit

[frail veldt]

But like what question did they ask

[vivid vessel]

and its supposed to be the no addon expac

idk

[frail veldt]

Did they ask "hey can we use these api calls"

And then they said yes

And they made this?

[vivid vessel]

i mean prolly

[frail veldt]

Namean?

[vivid vessel]

but also like

blizzard is watching rn

[frail veldt]

Like they probably tricked them

[vivid vessel]

im sure if blizzard just tell tehm

ok

we didnt understand

stop doing that

they will stop

blizzard can just tell echo liquid method

ok guyis

dont do an addon for that

solve it the right way

or we ban

gg

addon thing is over

stop being cringe

then fix it by next reset

for normal people

like idk im just mad at blizzard for allowing this to happen

[eternal hound]

Oh my fucking god

It is that bad

[craggy barn]

mad at blizzard for removing weak auras
saying that weak auras etc were the reason why fights were so fucked bc they helped solve things
effectively saying they would design fights wihtout addons in mind
all resulting in this whole raid

being a joke

either too ez or addons win

the lura nerfs after rwf have to be insane

[eternal hound]

I honestly don't feel like that's nessisarily true, it's just that....

[frail veldt]

I think if they did this, then they would just do it off stream

[eternal hound]

blizzard LITERALLY has no idea how to design without addons

[frail veldt]

Cuz if they ask them about API calls

And blizz says yes

And they only tell them no later

It would just mean they're gonna hide it

[vivid vessel]

world first guilds would never risk this bro

[frail veldt]

It wouldn't be a risk

Cuz blizz said yes

[craggy barn]

like if it was still 3 marks isntead of 5

its probably fine without this shit

[vivid vessel]

you mean if they wait for blizz to say yues then turn off stream

[frail veldt]

If blizz doesn't understand what their intention is then they need to ask better questions

[vivid vessel]

but thats not what happened tho

[frail veldt]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

its not what happened

[frail veldt]

I'm saying that's what they would do

[jolly geyser]

Might also be these fights had wa still active,or they didnt know if its gone or not while making it

[vivid vessel]

but they didnt ?

[stiff vector]

in a way its good though, RWF guilds just making blizzard look stupid for the addon bullshit, which they objectively are for it but this lets them know they did a very silly thing for no reason

[vivid vessel]

and now blizzard is watching

and blizzard cna just tell them to fuck off

so wdym

[craggy barn]

in heroic they were just using world markers taht did this but was much clunkier

[vivid vessel]

mythic is different

[craggy barn]

yea

[frail veldt]

Yeah I mean they could stop and then ask some more questions and then do a new method with the new okayed thing like

[vivid vessel]

in hc everyone saw every symbol

[frail veldt]

It's so hard for blizz to define this

[vivid vessel]

here they get splits in grps

[craggy barn]

this is just terrible

[vivid vessel]

and only a few see some markers

[frail veldt]

Without saying like "you have to stream world first kills"

Which is insane

[craggy barn]

splitting the raid makes this shit required lol

imagine raiding without comms

[vivid vessel]

blizzard can just tell tehm to do it natty lol

ok we have this mech

do it natty

or ban

go

[craggy barn]

or having all ur mute players go to phase

u literally wont be able to do it

[vivid vessel]

idk i see a way to do it

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

its on a timer right

so you can count on your head

1 nothing, 2 noithing , 3 star

then you know 3 is star

you place star on third position

i dont think its that hard to do

you have to have all markers keybound for everyone tho

or idk use the spin thingy addon

or whatever the fuck

but you see what i mean

[craggy barn]

its convoluted

[stiff vector]

I mean surely if they were against them using it they would have told them to stop insta right

[vivid vessel]

no not really

[vivid vessel]

surely they cant be ok with them doing this bro

i have never seen a weak aura

that bad

[stiff vector]

surely

[vivid vessel]

in all the bosses i did

[stiff vector]

[vivid vessel]

since i started wow

this is the worse its ever been

[craggy barn]

idk amongus weak aura was literally solution

[vivid vessel]

and its litteraly the no addon expac

like wtf ?

[vivid vessel]

sure

[stiff vector]

blizzard sure are good at creating monster weakaura bosses even after they kill addons/weakauras

[jolly geyser]

Archimonde wa

[craggy barn]

archi weak aura or dbm thing was one of the reasons for some addon pruning back in the day

[stiff vector]

the archimonde WA shit was pretty bad tho

[craggy barn]

3d world drawing arrows

[vivid vessel]

i dont think the way i explained is convoluted zomb tho

[craggy barn]

no not the way u explained it

[vivid vessel]

im pretty sure thtats how the mechanic was intended

[craggy barn]

it makes sense

[vivid vessel]

because you do it that way on hc pretty naturally, with one guy watching one symbol

and puting symbol at postiion

its the same thing but adapted for myuthic

[craggy barn]

its convoluted because of all the moving parts

having 1 person watch and tell everyone to do the marking isnt bad

but like having only some people see and what not makes it convoluted

[vivid vessel]

its mythic

mythic mechanics have personal

whats the word

personal responsabilities

[midnight granite]

is the crucible trinket from delves?

[craggy barn]

no

quest

[vivid vessel]

it make sense its the evolution of the mechanic from hc to mythic

[midnight granite]

is it that good? lmao

[craggy barn]

yes

[vivid vessel]

going from one person managed to x person managed

[craggy barn]

its real strong for its ilvl

the upgrades work in instances lol

[fast fossil]

i do no dmg on this spec man

my st is fuckin bad

[vivid vessel]

the kick thing seems impossible tho

the way i understand how you would do it rn

is you have 3 people mark the adds and kick instantly

and then its a rotation based on the number on the debuff

like blizzard made a kick weak aura basically

so you kick your number on your symbol

but the kick is 1s so

seems quite hard

• you need legit 20 kicks

[craggy barn]

healers get to watch

[vivid vessel]

idk how that mechanic is going to be done by normal humans

especially since most raid people dont even have kick bound

this is a m+ mech

[stiff vector]

its just a convoluted kick WA that they made extra annoying

[vivid vessel]

i guess

[craggy barn]

lol liquid telling them how to focus kick huh

[vivid vessel]

nah

tehy are telling them how to track the aura better

cause i guess on some people ui

they dont see the aura on the focus frame

[craggy barn]

ah

[vivid vessel]

and have to look at plate

[rocky canopy]

the kick thing does look demonic

[craggy barn]

is exile just chasing his kick target

or is he within range from boss

[vivid vessel]

he has to run around the boss

[craggy barn]

damn

bring acro back

[midnight granite]

bring acro back, bring precise cuts back, do something

[stiff vector]

I wonder if the reason why blizzard made so many of the bosses so shit for melee(ignoring the fact they made all the ranged specs OP) is because they dont know how to design bosses that work for melee without WAs/addons. I mean they were barely able to do it even when WA existed and the fights were more complex

[craggy barn]

they decided that ranged classes need more love

[frail veldt]

I mean tbh they should have just hidden any triggers if that's what they wanted. I don't see why this is so hard for blizz

[vivid vessel]

there is so many things tho

tehy already broke almost everything lol

[frail veldt]

I mean make them all private

[vivid vessel]

make what

[frail veldt]

All fight apis for this fight

Return

NOTHING

[vivid vessel]

you dont know

what they are doing

rn

lol

[frail veldt]

Are they manually triggering

Based on seeing stuff

If so then yeah that's hard

[vivid vessel]

i dont think so but idk

[frail veldt]

Cuz there's always that

[vivid vessel]

at first i thoguht they were

cause they had a thing with buttons

but they are not clicking it anymore im pretty sure

[frail veldt]

Yeah that's what I heard before

Hmm

[vivid vessel]

it does it auto

[frail veldt]

Well if it does then something must be triggering it right

Unless it's like reading pixels which would be very bannable I'd imagine

Don't believe they would do that

[stiff vector]

i dont think anyone knows how its b eing triggered rn, but I assume they found some kind of workaround that they were able to hook in this addon to and make it auto trigger

[frail veldt]

Yeah all I'm saying is blizz has control over the apis

[stiff vector]

obv blizz didnt intend it

[frail veldt]

They could make a boss fight all visual with literally no combat triggers at all

Nothing to hook to

[stiff vector]

but you would have thought blizz would have insta said to stop it

[frail veldt]

I think blizz is too unwilling to double back

Cuz they prob gave them the green light

Before realizing

What they were gonna do

[stiff vector]

I mean this whole addon bullshit has done nothing but blowup in their face, only positive that has come out of it is the default UI getting better.

[vivid vessel]

who cares bro wtf

tell them to stop

you see them doing cringe shit

you either fix it

and if you cant

you tell them

to not do it

while you fix

litteraly

alo max

what you doing rn

give tech

ok stop doing tech

i fix

gg

ty max for tech

[frail veldt]

Apparently blizz cares lol

[vivid vessel]

idk its so cringe bro

[frail veldt]

Im not saying they should I'm just giving that as a plausible explanation

[vivid vessel]

like of course the guilds will alwyas do that kind of things

it helps them

its on blizzard

to do something

instead of being genuily afk

[frail veldt]

I think blizz genuinely thought they were gonna prevent this

With their interface changes

And to outright ban what they're doing would be admitting that they failed

And they're unwilling to do so

Admit that the hundreds of millions of dollars of developer work

To prevent this

[vivid vessel]

bro wdym

[frail veldt]

Failed

[stiff vector]

the entire thing is cringe, blizz thought they were bigbrain and could stop shit like this, but of course they werent probably 50% because they rushed tf out of it like usual

[vivid vessel]

there is legit no repercussion

for them

to just tell them

to stop doing it

then its fixed by next reset

[frail veldt]

There is as a leader

I mean this is a bad look bro

[vivid vessel]

they fixed shit this reset aswell

[frail veldt]

To sell this idea

To devote resources to this

[vivid vessel]

they have been fixing exploits all progress bro

[frail veldt]

And to have it end up like this

It's not a good look

[vivid vessel]

its even worse to let them do that ???

this is the worse scenario bro

letting them do that all prog

[frail veldt]

Or pretend that they think this is okay

That could be their mentality

[vivid vessel]

video of kill gonna have fucking nasa weak aura

in middle of screen

midnight the expac we killed addons

[frail veldt]

I mean it's a lose lose

[vivid vessel]

gg bro

[frail veldt]

They failed

Is what it is

[stiff vector]

well the fucked thing is, if they let them use it all of prog you know for a fact they will have it fixed after RWF is over and everyone else will be fucked

[vivid vessel]

its not a lose lose just tell them to not do it

and its the saem as if they did their job right

gg

ok i go sleep

[frail veldt]

Still a loss cuz they somehow have to define that for r the other guilds not streaming

[vivid vessel]

this is cringe

[frail veldt]

How do they make this rule apply to the rest of the playerbase

[vivid vessel]

the othjer guilds are not world first

no one cares

[frail veldt]

They might

[vivid vessel]

its fixed by the time they get to the boss

its fixed

by the time

they get ot the boss

mewo

[jolly geyser]

Zac on demon sleep schedule

[vivid vessel]

other guilds are irrelevant

[frail veldt]

Bro if they couldn't prevent this by now you think they can fix it this patch

[vivid vessel]

yes lol ??

[frail veldt]

Bahahaha

[vivid vessel]

they just didnt know they would use it

liquid will tell them, we used this and this

and they legit make it secret gg done

wdy m

[frail veldt]

It's gonna happen again next race

It's joever

[vivid vessel]

we have time till next race bro

tf you mean

lets just not ruin this one

how bout tit

[frail veldt]

Lul yeah time for blizzard to become smarter?

Fat chance

[vivid vessel]

bro

just tell them

dont do it

fix by next reset

stop being cringe xd

its so free

blizzard just need to make a call

tehy are in direct com

with these guilds

[jolly geyser]

They might have made this fight not knowing if wa is gone or not,and dbm etc things. But still..eeh

[frail veldt]

Idk I'm still of the opinion that it's a fight design issue

[vivid vessel]

yes

no

no

i disagree

the fight is fine

[frail veldt]

And trying to do this via API restrictions and arbitrary rules will never work

[vivid vessel]

at some point it will

and arbitrary rules are fine

foir these guilds

there is 3 guilds in the worl

[eternal hound]

It's honestly both

Blizzard dosen't know how to design fights without addons after doing it for who knows how long

[vivid vessel]

but this is so wrong tho

this mechanic is intended to be solved without addons

its not because addons is making it trivial

[keen belfry]

EVEN MINE?

[vivid vessel]

that it means that blizzard cant design a figfht without addons

[vivid vessel]

specially yours

[vivid vessel]

you could do it this way without addons

im sure there is other ways

but its definitly a mech

that is designed without addons in mind

also this is just a way to do it with no coms at all

im sure you can also just make a system in voice

to make it simpler

@frail veldt

im not usre its done automatically btw

im thinking maybe they figured out that the splitting of the raid

is done in a way that x person might always be in this split

and is the captain

to click

maybe healers split or whatever

one healer per zone

[frail veldt]

Aaaaah

[vivid vessel]

im just

[frail veldt]

So it's pre assigned kind of

[vivid vessel]

its just a theory

[frail veldt]

Dynamic groups

I could see that

[vivid vessel]

cause idk at all

but i could see a split with one helaer per or smth

ye

i found a healer pov

and he clicks

ye healers are clicking

so i guess its not even an exploit weak aura

or well nvm they still are doing comms between addons

anwyay its cringe

[eternal hound]

So basically

it's what we had before but more cringe

[light mountain]

On blizz 100% they said no wa's and limited addon usage and then echo liquid both going to them direct asking which of their addons are approved they cldve js flat said no but folded

[frail veldt]

its what we had before but more exclusive

most likely

[frail veldt]

well they assumingly didnt ask that

[eternal hound]

that honestly sounds so much worse

[frail veldt]

they said "can we make an addon that uses these api calls"

you cant ban an addon

cuz you can just remake them

so quick

so you have to discuss what the addons are accessing

which is probably what they did

and blizz said okay

without realizing how they were gona use it

[eternal hound]

So let me get this straight

was blizzard's goal not to make addons not have a competitive advantage

I do agree they probs had no idea how they were gonna use it

[light mountain]

Struggle believing that icl theyve always been asking blizz about their addons and was

[frail veldt]

that was one of their stated goals yes

they failed at that

[eternal hound]

Dosen't this literally

just make that worse

Because the RWF can just gatekeep it

[light mountain]

If blizz js put their foot down on the rwf guilds it wldve set a standard for limited addons

[frail veldt]

yes

that was what many people pointed out

before this whole thing even started

which is that addons will be harder to get your hands on and less passed around

[eternal hound]

Holy shit just go back to weak auras

[frail veldt]

and therefore make the gap between addons/base ui even higher

at least with WAs we were at a point in the community where it was all published and easily installable with one string

[craggy barn]

weak auras closed the gap in accessibility for competitive advantages

[frail veldt]

well I kinda find it funny that theres still large gaps in how fights are designed

like kyveza ?? mode for example

no addon is going to help you with that

or wa

so its possible to make challenging mechanics that WAs simply cant hand hold you through

but a memory game is like a really explicit mechanic that has easy execution but hard computation

and those are like perfect for addons

I think its just a bad decision on their end

[craggy barn]

shouldve done the dungoen boss mechanic but liek 15 players

pepw

[hollow temple]

i guess that only applies to RWF

because it isn't an official blizzard competition

[frail veldt]

wdym

[hollow temple]

but even liq/echo/method will likely make all of their stuff public once they're done

[frail veldt]

oh yeah prob once its over

but like even in "official" blizz comps like awc

people had exclusive WA packs

interface and addons will always be a part of competitive wow and having better ones than your opponent will always be valuable

[hollow temple]

they've already stated if addons are not publicly available, like on places like curseforge, then they aren't allowed in competitive play (AWC/MDI)

[frail veldt]

yeah the addon can be

doesnt mean the setup has to be

m33kauras are available publicly

doesnt mean you instantly get access to the auras people make

[hollow temple]

i think the main reason they even said anything is because of mvq's shit

[frail veldt]

yeah but if someone was inclined they could still get it

and it would technically be in the rules

just like mes's weak aura packs

[hollow temple]

no

[frail veldt]

as in they could still get the functionality

I mean in this case the functionality was banned outright

for all players

[hollow temple]

they would have to add code to or make a brand new addon

[frail veldt]

yes

thats what im saying

you make an addon

[hollow temple]

thats not the same

[frail veldt]

that doesnt do anything

like weak auras

[hollow temple]

as making an aura inside of an addon that lets u make auras

[frail veldt]

yes

im saying someone could do that

and it wouldnt be against the rules

like a plater profile

[hollow temple]

i mean ya its a profile

[frail veldt]

I wouldnt be surprised if mes is already working on m33kauras for his team

[hollow temple]

i'm talking about the addons that are full illegal because they just aren't available at all

[frail veldt]

sure yeah

[uncut ginkgo]

see ya in season 2

[frail veldt]

but im saying anyone who has the skills needed could just replicate those addons within another addon

[fathom bramble]

how many characters did you use?

[uncut ginkgo]

4

[fathom bramble]

I'm still level 6 playing 2

so far behind

[uncut ginkgo]

the amount of dawn crystals is insane

[hollow temple]

i don't think so tbh

for the specific one i'm talking about anyway

pretty sure it's still using some kind of exploit honestly

otherwise someone else would have made one

[frail veldt]

yeah possibly

[hollow temple]

we already have omniCD replacements

even one that syncs with your party to get real time proper CDs

adjusts for CD reduction talents and everything

[frank finch]

just in time for paladins the outlaw swap

[near rock]

Gl with that

[elder sonnet]

is the dagger from pos that rare? ran it like 100+ times and never dropped

[gaunt phoenix]

just rng

[elder sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[daring venture]

Hi boys

Are you guys using kriss ?

[eternal hound]

Wow

I'm actually trash...Nullus at half a % and I choke

And I'm out of gold 😭

[gleaming reef]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[tiny dagger]

what are yall averaging in algathar

first pull

no phys comp

[native quiver]

Hey yall, i need someone to help me with Outlaw in raid. I think im doing the rotation correctly but getting bad parses. I cal pull logs, raidbots and armory for you if needed

[frail veldt]

@vivid vessel

🙂

post kill

[craggy barn]

their auto marking addon was removed

[craggy barn]

not that

[frail veldt]

yeah but wasnt the auto marking a big deal

for the adds that spawn

[keen belfry]

these kicks look brutal

[frail veldt]

yeah like

3 adds

[keen belfry]

looks liek 15 assigned kicks???

[frail veldt]

1.5s cast

assigned kicks

[craggy barn]

yea the auto mark was op for the add spawns

[frail veldt]

welp

cant wait to see the gingi tweet

gona be a good one

[sturdy tartan]

When you figure it out let me know

[river wing]

so what
Liquid benched their rogue again? does that mean rogue's been present on only one (1) kill in the RWF and it was legit the second boss they killed in a couple pulls?

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[eternal hound]

Blizzard has to be trolling right

"Oh we have to make kicks super fast because of addons"

prunes addons

1.5s cast on an insta wipe mech

[native quiver]

lol if anyone wants to help me

[wintry solar]

@hasty warren

[wintry solar]

Gotta make RWF interesting somehow

[craggy barn]

that shit is going to 2 or 2.5 seconds once race is over

[stuck bane]

is anyone playijng killing spree in dungeons or raids?? did anyone try it is it viable?

[cinder relic]

Trickster would use it but trickster is worse than fatebound so no point atm

[quaint mauve]

@vivid vessel 67

[unkempt dew]

Hey Guys what was the addon that auto tricks on tank?

[river wing]

TankMD

[unkempt dew]

Thank you!

[tranquil ledge]

Hey guys, has any of you encountered a bug after the latest update? my dices disappear at random moments during combat, even though they should still be active. This happened most often after using Kir in my last raid.

[frail veldt]

Haven't heard of that yet

Are you sure they're actually disappearing and it isn't an issue with an addon

[tranquil ledge]

At first, I thought it was an addon, but then I checked the standard buff bar. It didn't show any buffs either. There were no new messages in the bugsuck. But I'm still not sure about all this. So I decided to ask you guys

For now, my plan is to track it in the dungeons today.

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel echo 2% on alts lol or?

I think either liquid kills it today or echo tmrw

[stuck bane]

bro i got that bug alot, i get a 5 roll and it disappears... really depressing some times, i can confirm i got it more than 10 times now

i dont know if its the weakauras or what exactly maybe it disappears froim the w/a only because i didnt check the buffs on the top right when that happened

it happeend mid fight so i had to reroll asap when it disappeared

[tranquil ledge]

dat what i mean. I lost my jackpot 2 times in a row last fight. Which addon do u use for CDM and buffs? it's WA or analogue ?

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix

[hasty warren]

yo popo

[stuck bane]

iam using cdm

dont know what else is with that n

[fluid meadow]

happened the same with me with tracked buffs just not show it but was active, but the other thing is simple blizz action bar with AR macro just bugged as the same way

[glass shard]

for embelishments on weapon we're given the option of void & hunt

are they functionally the same

i went void

#versatilitystacker

[fallen zodiac]

What fight style do i Sim for m+ aoe? dungeon slice or Patchwerk 5 target?

[obsidian karma]

hey can I wear radiance crafted dagger and radiance crafted sword?

idk what to do for my 2nd item with embelishments

[strong cargo]

Dungeonslice

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel echo ahead lol or?

[manic quartz]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[mighty pivot]

you can wear as many crafted items as you want. The only restriction is with embellished items

[vivid vessel]

yes echo will win race

tho are you trolling me or not

liquid killed first yesterday and spent 5 hour progging last boss

[vivid vessel]

wdym post kill

[proven ocean]

im not im just goofing around

no idea who wins honestly

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

hope liquid wins when echo is offline then echo kills it on the first pull

gingi will write a book about it

thoughts?

[quiet ore]

I hit 3k io before rwf ended, that's a W for me

[proven ocean]

big

[zinc briar]

10 hours for our buffs

[proven ocean]

u have way higher rio than me wtf

levy gamer or

@vivid vessel ?

[quiet ore]

zac's at like 3.3k or something

[proven ocean]

wish i was 3k io..

[quiet ore]

3.6k almost actually

[zinc briar]

so.. finally assa and sub does more dmg than us even in m+

how not..

always the same

[proven ocean]

wdym finally

[quiet ore]

I, and likely blizz, see run leaderboards like this and assume we're just fine since all 3 specs are on the top of the boards 😁

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

same shit every season

no one plays rogue

there is a one trick outlaw

outlaw is fine gg

also im playing with full raid buffs

they arent

[quiet ore]

I was also gonna ask "how do 170k dps in key", raid buffs aside, then I saw this:

[vivid vessel]

nah thats just normal

if you play properly you never go 1 buff

most my keys are 95% uptime on buffs prolly

[quiet ore]

72% combined uptime on 3-and-4 buff tho, nothing guarantees that

[vivid vessel]

no ye

but 1 buffer is normal

outlaw is very high rolly rn

[quiet ore]

Ya, I've felt that bigly. BIg diff between keys where you're perma 2-buff and keys where you spend half the time chaining jackpots

[gray summit]

zac what are you doing ???

i am waiting your stream to learn how to play in keys and i see you here

gogogo my brotha

[livid pewter]

happened to me a few times, but they are not gone they just dont show up in the ui - check your buff bar next time, for me they were active but just not on my cdm

[static crescent]

is there aoe on the final boss of the raid tier

[red zinc]

you got the shard things you need to burst down afaik

[karmic gust]

Changed to sub and I have higher dmg than outlaw with same gear how tf are yall pulling high numbers

[quiet ore]

meet haste tax on gear, don't fumble rotation, pray to rng

that second one can be rough

[quiet root]

yeah outlaw takes more practice than most specs to get good at

[zinc briar]

what are u using for poison reminder?

[jolly geyser]

brain

[arctic hollow]

I just forget

[quiet ore]

The single button rotation helper button, displayed prominently

I literally do have it enabled just to press it to apply poisons

Out of combat action, so gcd penalty doesn't matter, and it always glows and shows the poison when it's needed - base ui element that does exactly what I want

[soft abyss]

there is a raid add-on reminder

for buffs etc and shows poisons too

[wintry solar]

Big brain motion ngl

[junior knot]

Is there any smooth way to capitalize on Eternal Voidsong Chain neck effect as Outlaw, or is it even worth it?

[zinc briar]

of blizz or its an addon?

[karmic gust]

You can make a poison reminder add on with ai, tried it when I was too bad at remembering it but don’t need it anymore

[unborn moon]

BtE: is it always prio finisher? Does it do the most upfront damage? Thinking about something like the little adds on twin dragons where they die quick

[hollow portal]

Guys, I used to have an aura that I think I copied from Zack to always give the tank tricks. Now that we don't have an aura, do we have anything similar like addons?

[potent ore]

!m+

!pre

:/

[static crescent]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[potent ore]

any pre m+ shenanigans

[frank hamlet]

is there any difference between details! and details from blizzard?

[unborn moon]

Do we get back AR after the bubble?

[river wing]

tankMD is the addon

you will need a keybind tho

[river wing]

there are some small optimizations around supercharger, but overall if you don't have AR coming up in the next 3 finishers, you are better off using BtE over Dispatch

[hollow portal]

tyyyyyyyyyyyyy I'll try it

[crystal hatch]

Hey there,new to rogue spec,is there any addon like reminder when to roll or to keep it?

[karmic gust]

turns out getting a proper weapon makes a huge difference who would've thought, sub a bit boring compared to outlaw imo

do you all have pb with energy starvation as well or is it just bad rotation on my end ? It doesn't happen that often but being stuck auto attacking is just horrid

[arctic hollow]

Outlaw has energy issue yes