espically for arms
#outlaw
eternal hound
fathom bramble
Yes
eternal hound
evrey class discord I'm in has doomed hardcore
fathom bramble
Like 0.5 or something
next wedge
clavicular viewer spotted 
next wedge
dude i love andrew callahan
frail veldt
he kinda just went on tilt for no reason
glass shard
i was like oh ok
frail veldt
was weird
frail veldt
I think andrew could have handled it better too
glass shard
ok man!
next wedge
i saw his movie screening and he was there and i got to meet him
frail veldt
he was a little defensive when he insulted his interviewing skills
next wedge
andrew that is
glass shard
I think andrew could have handled it better too
sure but i think it was a ctual stunlock
next wedge
would anyone
lavish shoal
Bro
frail veldt
im imagining like louie theroux there
lavish shoal
Push your own key you freakbob
frail veldt
never would have ended it
glass shard
no one is signing for it freakbobazoid
frail veldt
was about to get juicy
glass shard
out of my control
next wedge
tell them you're alyssa liu
glass shard
not 1 soul is pressing queue to a 10 caverns
glass shard
Are you na
no im an eu frog
lavish shoal
Yeah there’s a note for a reason freakbob just type “I’m alysa Liu”
frail veldt
is it cuz the lister is an outlaw rogue
why would you join that
theres 1000 other 10s
lavish shoal
See this is the fucking problem
next wedge
Yeah there’s a note for a reason freakbob just type “I’m alysa Liu”
exactly
frail veldt
nah na pug is so much worse
glass shard
All the cool ppl who id key with
im a lowbobazoid i fear
still matrix
is the darkmoon deck trinket, decent if you have void on a mainhand wep or hunt? havent seen sims
frail veldt
some have said the darkmoon deck undersims
glass shard
like grow up
frail veldt
I think @near rock was testing
still matrix
Oh yer I see him running it
lavish shoal
https://tenor.com/byen9.gif
W chef cuso
still matrix
Was holding craft wondering if worth
lavish shoal
Dark moon drip trinket
next wedge
what is this
lusty night
<@124465215826821120> come na
bro i dont play this game
still matrix
I'm trying to see what the darkmoon trinket is called in his buffs
proven ocean
bro i dont play this game
bro i dont play this game
near rock
the sigil and the dominion stack together for the same buff
lusty night
zeross have you not been drafted yet
proven ocean
Wtf is drafted
frail veldt
hes a prince they dont get drafted
still matrix
Hard to tell if it's better than others I guess, I guess though 285 trinket you will hold for a long time
if our bis is voidspire last boss
and mythic plume
near rock
every stack is 213 vers
its a little RNG but every fight you will get 3 stacks at once for some parts
about 5-6 procs total per minute
its a very good trinket imo but needs more data before its conclusive
gloomy coral
!mute @next wedge 1440m What are you even doing
lusty night
!mute <@105485677080100864> 1440m What are you even doing
what were they doing lmao
vivid vessel
its a very good trinket imo but needs more data before its conclusive
what trinket
and are you saying it sims less than it should or
im not usre i understand
lavish shoal
When it says “this effect is modified further by x” is that the sigil on your weapon?
waxen flower
Hi, what's your spell queue window?
Since the boss fight of the new raid yesterday, I've been experiencing extreme micro-lag. The game feels really sluggish and slow. I didn't notice this two days ago... I also noticed it yesterday in a Mythic+ 11 run, where I was down 40k DPS overall compared to the day before yesterday...
I haven't changed anything in my gear.
Can someone please help me?
near rock
When it says “this effect is modified further by x” is that the sigil on your we...
yes
if you have the matching sigil on your weapon it procs more often
frail veldt
Hi, what's your spell queue window?
Since the boss fight of the new raid yester...
people run anywhere from like 160 to 400
just personal preference, shouldnt affect your dps too much
lavish shoal
if you have the matching sigil on your weapon it procs more often
So don’t we have the hunt sigil or
left jay
blade rush is epic
frail veldt
and p sure its like the highest dps tier out there
lavish shoal
I forgot which sigil we have
left jay
you play entirley different with and without it
yeah i love how it adds to our rotation
frail veldt
yeah its huge
near rock
So don’t we have the hunt sigil or
both void and hunt are good
frail veldt
I mean its night and day
near rock
depends on your stats
waxen flower
just personal preference, shouldnt affect your dps too much
I fells like my fingers are frozen, I don't know what it is but I play my rota press my buttons but the game didn't do what I, want
frail veldt
I fells like my fingers are frozen, I don't know what it is but I play my rota p...
what else changed?
frail veldt
yeah pretty sure it adds like 30% dps
lavish shoal
both void and hunt are good
How much more often? Are the bloodmallet sims reflecting a character with the matching embel?
near rock
How much more often? Are the bloodmallet sims reflecting a character with the ma...
no clue on the exact amount, there is zero implementation of having the matching embel in simc atm
it just sims it natty
left jay
you know what i doubted it before this season since i loved crackshot so much and i can't really tell if i'm just loving the game way more this expansion but this is one of the most fun starts i've ever had to a tier absolutely in love with the class design of outlaw
lavish shoal
no clue on the exact amount, there is zero implementation of having the matching...
Oh yeah it has double arcanoweave
Lmao
left jay
i have an optimist agenda here
waxen flower
people run anywhere from like 160 to 400
what spell queue window you prefer with 45ms world?
frail veldt
its just preference
waxen flower
I have 26% haste
glass mortar
none of the things ur mentioning impact it is just personal pref
try out a couple and see how it feels
lavish shoal
i have an optimist agenda here
Yeah man optimistic that your 100 parse is equal to some classes blue parse
waxen flower
I think im at like 250-260?
thank you Sir
glass mortar
start at like 150 or something
lavish shoal
Outlaw owns that boss!
glass mortar
personally i never go under 200
my current is 250 like mewos ye
that was the old default before they changed it 5 years ago or w/e
undone notch
How would you use preparation for M+ if you’re playing trickster?..
glass mortar
i dont really see what would change other then making sure to reset Kspree with it
altho that might not be relevant since it looks like trickster doesnt even wanna cast kspree during ADR right now
so basically the same
fathom bramble
I was just doing AR - (do normal rotation for 15 seconds) - KS - prep - AR on the first pack
glass mortar
make sure AR/bte and BR are all on cd
undone notch
I mostly mean skill tree wise
fathom bramble
no idea if that is optimal
still matrix
it just sims it natty
interesting...
glass mortar
o
fathom bramble
kind of want to do more trickster testing
glass mortar
good luck
probably dispatcher or something like that moved over to it?
idk if theres an optimal simmed build for that tho
u might need to sim it urself
undone notch
I’ve been running Trickster in M+ and either breaking equal or doing better over myself on Fatebound so I’m just kinda rolling with it lol
fathom bramble
sims indicate that losing kir or prep to gain KS is pretty similar
I was dropping kir for KS
but I only ran a few keys
glass mortar
I was just doing AR - (do normal rotation for 15 seconds) - KS - prep - AR on th...
idk if theres really value to reseting kspree since by the time ur first AR is over u probably already earned it back tho
but that depends on if the thing solo talked about earlier comes thru or not
(it looks like trickster doesnt even want to press the button during ar)
undone notch
Idk how that works but I guess if it’s a damage gain for me w/e
glass mortar
but if ur outside AR id make sure to get it on cd before prepping yea
lavish shoal
I was just doing AR - (do normal rotation for 15 seconds) - KS - prep - AR on th...
It’s gotta be br - AR - bte till on cd - KS - normal rotation until BR prep BR - AR
lavish shoal
(it looks like trickster doesnt even want to press the button during ar)
U don’t press ks
On trickster
XD
undone notch
Wait
glass mortar
🙂
undone notch
Not even trickster is using KS?…
fathom bramble
yeah pressing KS during that opener AR is probably a loss
you just press KS outside AR
undone notch
Oh okay
glass mortar
solo was looking at optimizations for trickster i think
fathom bramble
maybe you just AR back to back and don't ks at all for the first 30 seconds of a key lol
undone notch
That’s what I’ve been doing
lavish shoal
yeah pressing KS during that opener AR is probably a loss
At which case you just br ar prep br right
glass mortar
and he mentioned earlier it looks like trickster might not even cast kspree during AR
fathom bramble
At which case you just br ar prep br right
I had assumed(without doing literally any simming mind you) that squeezing a KS in between the 2 ars before casting prep would be good
vivid vessel
on that bos
glass mortar
if u press kspree during AR you will be smiten
undone notch
I thought that Prep might be good in the .5 patch because of the cloud cover changes
vivid vessel
i dont even have gear
lavish shoal
I had assumed(without doing literally any simming mind you) that squeezing a KS ...
I think br reset is the most important thing
undone notch
+13% single target damage and +24% cleave damage for the entirety of a bloodlust looks strong
fathom bramble
playuing sub on prog
we have a low % wipe where I was at over 100k
outlaw def good on this fight
vivid vessel
we have a low % wipe where I was at over 100k
thats boss damage
vivid vessel
ye
fathom bramble
I mean law clearly has good ST if you just go ST mode
vivid vessel
ye
fathom bramble
I think the raid statistics are massively warped rn by some specs being more likely to not swap to adds
vivid vessel
fathom bramble
I think br reset is the most important thing
yeah I could see it
honestly I think you just drop the entire headache and don't take prep as trickster
if you want trickster util in keys
lavish shoal
Yeah I mean when you posted r1 log I knew this was the case
Hacker
I bet ace procced on every single bte that pull too
U freakbob
lavish shoal
Like the opener matters oml
vivid vessel
the opener matters a lot
lavish shoal
You for sure had back to back ace procs during dmg amp during jackpot btw
vivid vessel
you are chaining 2 adr
lavish shoal
True
vivid vessel
You for sure had back to back ace procs during dmg amp during jackpot btw
dont think i even had adr up on damage amp
its onyl 20%
who cares
i pressed everything on cd
could maybe hold a prep for damage amp
was reclear idk
didnt think about it
lavish shoal
True
Prep is so dumb man
They really thought they were cooking
They need to replace prep with DS or whatever the vanish cdr was
Fucking amazing rotation that was
I still dream about sl outlaw man
fathom bramble
swap kir and prep positions in the tree
replace dragon bone dice with +1 charge on all the prep spells
frail veldt
the opener matters a lot
ngl if you dont get jackpot on the first 3 rolls fishing for kir might as well wipe the pull
fathom bramble
like prep works so much better if we have charges
would also help if prep was 1 free use instead of resetting the cd
frail veldt
yeah if we had 2 charge adr
we'd prob save the 2nd charge
for when we have kir coming up
for LD fishing
or for damage amps/whatever else
lavish shoal
replace dragon bone dice with +1 charge on all the prep spells
WTF is dragon bone dice
frail veldt
its a talent
fathom bramble
frail veldt
makes our rolls stronger
lavish shoal
Oh lmao
Dogshit talent man
You just always take that shit no questions asked like why
Holy
fathom bramble
it's very uninteresting a huge waste
frail veldt
theres a lot of improvements needed for KS
fathom bramble
this structure in the tree should have 2 talents that actually build on eachother in a meaningful way
like I get they are both rtb based, but these 2 talents don't really rely on eachother
fathom bramble
good question
lavish shoal
They need to remove HO and fast action
fathom bramble
I'm still of the opinion that it was only left like this due to time constraints
and is functionally placeholder
harsh forge
I want Ace procs to give us a proc of opportunity
lavish shoal
I'm still of the opinion that it was only left like this due to time constraints
They need to replace the new deadly pursuit talent with old uhuh
harsh forge
make deadly pursuit long arms again
fathom bramble
they need to delete subterfuge from the class tree first just to be safe
but yeah uhuh should make a return
harsh forge
survival got theirs back
lavish shoal
they need to delete subterfuge from the class tree first just to be safe
I mean
Is vanish still on restless
Or no
fathom bramble
it is not
but if blizzards goal is to prevent vanish from being a dps cooldown then it needs to happen
lavish shoal
They need to put vanish back on restless and make a vanish talent
Otherwise just put prep on restless and make it do something else
Like reduce all cds by x seconds off gcd
It’s on gcd rn yes?
gaunt phoenix
Idk how that works but I guess if it’s a damage gain for me w/e
trickster is like < 2% behind if you averaged 100,000 dungeons together
overall you probably wont "notice" a difference
other than trickster having lower resources so the low points of RNG are worse
vivid vessel
only 2%?
gaunt phoenix
ye
true jackal
craggy barn
zac play trickster for a key for science
lavish shoal
but if blizzards goal is to prevent vanish from being a dps cooldown then it nee...
Yeah I mean why does subterfuge exist? For cheap shot maybe?
Like it still does something in pvp right
glass mortar
it exists for sub rogues i guess
lavish shoal
Sap?
glass mortar
cheap shot cd is only for us and sin 🙂
fathom bramble
yeah
fathom bramble
it doesn't belong in the class tree
lavish shoal
And tbh sub talent tree as well
craggy barn
subterfuge is a QOL talent for when u accidentally pull something in open world content while stealthed, to allow u to get ur opener in 🙂
lavish shoal
Really bad rn
fathom bramble
it is part of my thought that some stuff is functionally placeholder due to time constraints and the massive workload of reworking every spec in the game for midnight
glass mortar
yea
craggy barn
can mobs target u in stealth
glass mortar
thats how i feel about HO
craggy barn
for casts
fathom bramble
I'm at least 51% sure if given more time subterfuge and ho would both be gone from our trees
glass mortar
and the subterfuge line
craggy barn
getting insta targeted by a mob the tank pulled even tho u are stealthed is fucking dumb af
lavish shoal
I'm at least 51% sure if given more time subterfuge and ho would both be gone fr...
Fast action?
fathom bramble
Fast action just needs tuning
idk why they left it so junk
but it at least kind of fits the tree
glass mortar
theres a lil bit of an issue with zero in having negative synergy with every talent that ever gives more access to BtE
fathom bramble
imagine if it was -25 seconds or something
glass mortar
maybe its not a big enough negative synergy for them to care tho
but something they should consider fixing
like fast actions already meh value is being cannibalized by zero in to a degree
gaunt phoenix
but 🏄♂️ 🏄♀️ likes fast action
fathom bramble
but something they should consider fixing
zero-in could just be BTE damage only
glass mortar
yup
fathom bramble
and a higher % than it is rn obviously
glass mortar
altho the crit does help normalize the spec
our variance would be even higher if we lost that zero in crit
bte damage variance is still silly
fathom bramble
probably
glass mortar
i guess theyd need to invent new ways to make crit valuable for us but id really prefer if bte was just a
nuke
hit hard, crits hit very hard
fathom bramble
could do a mini bte rework and just make it always crit
and gain damage from crit chance
glass mortar
ooo that would work
fathom bramble
improved BTE just simply reads "Between the eyes now always critically strikes, and deals further increased damage from critical strike chance"
or however it is worded for chaos bolt
it does annoy me mostly in the open world that BTE can hit between 20 and 200k
just because you kind of expect it to kill a mob and then it just doesn't do anything
gaunt phoenix
i think our dslice variance is the highest it's ever been. Raidbots just cuts it off at 100k iterations
fathom bramble
variance in general certainly feels very high in keys
especially on bosses where you might be out of tea
and then if you are also out of luck it's just doomed
vapid blaze
whats the current wa fork?
gaunt phoenix
m33kauras
lavish shoal
variance in general certainly feels very high in keys
New apex talent with ace as it is is so stupid imo
And just the bte buff being less duration infinitely stacking flat dmg
fathom bramble
Fast action: The cooldown of between the eyes is reduced by 10 sec and deals damage to up to 4 additional nearby enemies, but is no longer copied by Blade flurry. Extra shots prioritize high health enemies.
fathom bramble
And just the bte buff being less duration infinitely stacking flat dmg
bte having the buff at all is kind of strange to me
it already hits hard enough for us to want to cast it on cd
so all the buff does is give us more variance and ramp time
it also kind of hides the true value of BTE
fathom bramble
when you see someone get super lucky and have high bte damage
it's not just bte
literally every skill goes up a ton
glass mortar
idk why they added the buff
its literally just another passive variance in the background
coulda left it at flat 20% damage or something but with this tuning BtE wouldnt even need the buff tied to it at all prob
if its going to give a buff ud think it in some way hooked into gameplay but 🤷
lavish shoal
Fast action: The cooldown of between the eyes is reduced by 10 sec and deals dam...
Remove HO, move fast action to its spot, all bonuses that affect dispatch also affect bte
So bte also creates bullets, triggers scoundrel strike, benefits from summarily
Might be too strong though
Idk I just don’t like always pressing bte over dispatch
frail veldt
I think the more interesting interactions come from our builders/cp usage
fathom bramble
the fact that BTE has a cooldown is the thing that gives it potentially interesting gameplay variance
I guess there could be some kind of talent that makes you ignore BTE CD and just hit dispatch but idk
fathom bramble
in order for that to exist at all you still need BTE to be the default best finisher
fathom bramble
well we do that already
true
glass mortar
I guess there could be some kind of talent that makes you ignore BTE CD and just...
two
charges
🙂
glass mortar
u could store up gravedigger
without wasting
u could hold for stuff to unload double btes
ace procs could allow bte cd to continue ticking in the background
think of the possibilities
lavish shoal
Idk I hate that dispatch has so much baked into it, giving us bullets, scoundrel strike, and yet it’s still always worse than bte
frail veldt
Idk I hate that dispatch has so much baked into it, giving us bullets, scoundrel...
holding stuff when its off cd on a cdr spec feels bad
unless two charges
give me two charges and we will find optimizations
lavish shoal
holding stuff when its off cd on a cdr spec feels bad
Not when bte was a maintenance buff
quiet ore
Has anyone ever managed to store 12 gravedigger bullets before sending btte and not just had a bunch fall off?
frail veldt
without two charges the odds of holding a short cd like bte is pretty much 0
youd have to make bte fucking awful
to hold it
while its off cd
lavish shoal
Or better yet a debuff
fathom bramble
Has anyone *ever* managed to store 12 gravedigger bullets before sending btte an...
you lose 6 30 seconds after reaching 6
fathom bramble
and I think the max is 10
quiet ore
Yeah. That's what I thought
frail veldt
and 30s after that they disappear
glass mortar
which is not how normal stacking/consumed buffs work in this game so i wonder why they chose to make it work that way
outlaw is well known for abusing unethical "holding resources" to do "big damage" in fights i guess
lavish shoal
I mean it’s just weird that the buff infinitely stacks, and the button itself is already the best finisher
glass mortar
the stacking buff part is literally w/e
its just noise to make ur profile vary more for no real reason
i have no idea why they added it
its hardly the most offensive thing tho
lavish shoal
Would make way more sense for you to get a buff from casting not the best finisher
quiet ore
its just noise to make ur profile vary more for no real reason
Well, it's so you can press it whenever and get full value
autumn blaze
What is the haste breakpoint when thiefs versatility is better than flickering steel?
glass mortar
id prefer having no buff tied to it
or a flat one
but i prefer less non gameplay related variance in my damage profile
quiet ore
What is the haste breakpoint when thiefs versatility is better than flickering s...
Sim yo' self but I'd guess low 20%s
lavish shoal
I mean the variance is just bad
Make it a higher % and make it flat
It’s what? 10% rn?
Make it 15% with double duration
quiet ore
I mean the variance is just bad
I mean. We're variance the spec. We have so much RNG it all averages out.
lavish shoal
I mean. We're variance the spec. We have so much RNG it all averages out.
That’s not really true anymore unfortunately
We used to be way less rng lol
cinder relic
Its about as variant as its always been
lavish shoal
What about pre tww
quiet ore
Its about as variant as its always been
I'd say almost less - more stable rtb buffs, higher oppo rate, higher fb coin match rate; only offset by ace/gd proc btte stack rng
glass mortar
you know its probably because of 3 buff in aoe vs no 3 buff
lavish shoal
There it is
glass mortar
3 buff kinda insane
lavish shoal
There it is
glass mortar
it resets BF so fast
quiet ore
its almost 9% in aoe
Presumably driven entirely by how impactful ace chains are in AoE
glass mortar
rtb imo
glass mortar
TB is just so insane for this outlaws BR/BF
frail veldt
and obv active bladeflurry casts
glass mortar
u get BF back like every other finisher
frail veldt
a lot of our damage in aoe comes from bladeflurry active + blade rush
quiet ore
and stage 3 rtb
True - 40% extra cdr on bf and br in aoe is big
frail veldt
yeeeeup
and we dont have cto to balance out our rolls
so if you dont roll stage 3
and its a big pack
you will do WAY less damage
like 20-30% less
if not more
quiet ore
I've somehow had keys where my #1 non-bf DMG source was br
frail veldt
yeup
quiet ore
Feels weird
cinder relic
The spec has always just had variance in it somewhere or another
frail veldt
outlaws variance is really high in keys rn
like doubled is insane
from already being one of the highest variance specs
pretty much the highest its ever been by a huge margin
and thats in dslice
where it does consistent pull sizes
in actual m+
where you do a few big pulls per dungeon
quiet ore
outlaws variance is really high in keys rn
But it feels so good when you rock jackpot/triple threat for like 3 minutes straight
frail veldt
the variance is even higher
so in those super big uncapped aoe pulls
where br is your only uncapped
edgy walrus
hes right
frail veldt
its seeming like the difference of stage 3 to stage 2 is like 60-70% dps
so yeah outlaw is way way more variant than its ever been in m+
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frail veldt
which is unfortunate cuz outlaw used to be more reliable in its dps in pulls
later in the season I have a feeling that not getting good rng on the first big hero pull will just straight up fail the key
gaunt phoenix
on a static encounter stage 3 is certainly not 60% dps
cinder relic
ppl just sayin words
quiet ore
specifically in like uncapped aoe
Eh, in a 2min pull you get plenty of chances to start booling
frail veldt
booling?
quiet ore
....where did I pick up that phrase, "booling out of control", hrm
frail veldt
haha ive never heard it before
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble
quiet ore
Definitely slang term, for sure
frail veldt
holy guacamole 12% variance on a 10 target 40s pull
craggy barn
frail veldt
how long is a first pull usually
quiet ore
You beat out mm hunters in a 2 target cleave fight? No way
frail veldt
RANGE
44%
I mean
literally from 5th percentile to 95th percentile its almost double damage
min to max is over double
yall fried if you think this isnt higher than before
and this is only 10 targetr
would be higher when uncapped
glass mortar
well the variance probably doesnt scale much past our target cap
cinder relic
This is only a 10 target, 40 second pull
frail veldt
it def wasnt this high before iirc
not sure how I could sim that
I can do a sub sim to compare
normal quail
yo anyone got any parsing tech for beloren?
lavish shoal
I can do a sub sim to compare
That’s what I was about to suggest
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble
frail veldt
33k
less than half our variacne
and the 5th to 95th is only 20% difference
compared to our 80%
I mean
cmon
hardy garden
Whats our ideal crit / haste %?
quiet ore
if it doesnt work
Because you're in a situation where you don't wanna spare energy for feint anyway?
frail veldt
so only 2 and a half times higher than subs
only
lol
min to max for sub is 50%, min to max for outlaw is 127%
so uh
yeah we have high variance
quiet ore
so only 2 and a half times higher than subs
Nobody ever said we weren't the gamba spec, just that it ain't the worst feeling gamba
frail veldt
Nobody ever said we *weren't* the gamba spec, just that it ain't the worst feeli...
Im just saying it definitely feels like we are far more gamba than before
we didnt have much increase in stdev in aoe in tww
it was pretty consistent st to aoe
but in midnight our variance goes up a lot in aoe
over doubles
quiet ore
Stacking damage amps on our single uncapped aoe button 🤷
Like, I don't think I've ever high rolled enough to beat out an mm hunter blowing CDs on a pull, but I get to keep pulling that lever every pull, and most pulls I'd wager I come out above average dps, in exchange for the occasional really abysmal 25s one buff no procs period, which only sometimes aligns with a critical amp buff period
fathom bramble
<@101843879791177728>
mouseover BR I assume
fathom bramble
<@101843879791177728>
is that soaking when you shouldn't have?
I don't think anything survives that
vivid vessel
mouseover BR I assume
yuh of course
vivid vessel
is that soaking when you shouldn't have?
its the set where the debuff isnt gone yet
and you have to wait like 1s
and i always forget
:D
fathom bramble
I see
fathom bramble
well you got overkilled through cheat it looks like
vivid vessel
of it
fathom bramble
not even cheat behaving outside of expectations or anything
light kernel
is there any cr like jumper cables previous exp?
waxen flower
the Spell queue Window 250 is horrible, but nice try lol
waxen flower
isn't 250 0,25sec delay?
gaunt phoenix
Whats our ideal crit / haste %?
Like 23% haste then full crit
As you approach 40% crit it might fall off a bit, have to sim rando pieces
fathom bramble
well not delay
frail veldt
thats not how it works
fathom bramble
it's being able to queue a spell before it is available
spellqueuewindow never delays spells
frail veldt
spell queue is the buffer size which you can press your button "early" and it still goes off gcd perfect
fathom bramble
if allows you to cast them as soon as they are available
waxen flower
I was in +11 with 250 and was so terrible to play xD
fathom bramble
but it is 0.25 seconds of queuewindow
frail veldt
you might have other issues
may want to look into checking if any addons are using lots of cpu or something
spell queue window should never add delay
only a low spell queue window can cause delay
waxen flower
I have since yesterday the bird Boss in New raid, have no addons and didn't change gear
gaunt phoenix
spell queue seemingly does weird things for some ppl
fathom bramble
I think it can easily feel like delay if you are not use to it
since your actions are no longer directly connected to your input in regards to timing
but it's important to remember that being able to queue is a good thing and is an improvement in your ability to cast spells as soon as possible
you just need to get use to it
waxen flower
yeah micro delay, felling of frozen finger, game doesn't do what I do
fathom bramble
or decide to lose damage and remove the queuewindwo
I would absolutely never recommend running no or a very low spellqueuewindow though
it's just leaving a ton of damage on the floor on a spec like this
unique fulcrum
how much would u set it to?
fathom bramble
I play a t 250
fathom bramble
anything below 150-200 is somewhat questionable imo
waxen flower
I asked chat gpt and he says for outlaw is 90 perfekt und 250 is for warlock or so
fathom bramble
and you can definitely play at even 400
waxen flower
but I don't know
With Adrenaline Rush, you have a GCD of approximately 0.8 seconds.
With a queue size of 250:
31% of your GCD is blocked by old inputs 🤯
So you're constantly playing with artificial delay.
That's why it feels like:
You're lacking energy
Your procs are getting lost
Your rotation is "sticky"
Your fingers feel frozen
EXACTLY how it feels.
mystic berry
Gemini says latency + 100, but idk where it got this asspull math from
waxen flower
so this is wrong?
❌ Why 250 ms SpellQueueWindow Destroys Your DPS
SpellQueueWindow = the time window in which WoW stores your next spell BEFORE the end of the GCD.
At 250 ms, this is what happens:
You press:
Sinister Strike → Pistol Shot Proc → Between the Eyes
But the game thinks:
"Ah, you pressed something 0.25 seconds ago, I'll use THAT."
Outlaw relies on:
spontaneous procs (Opportunity)
fast reaction time
fast target switching
Adrenaline Rush Haste
With 250 ms, you're essentially playing with a 0.25-second reaction delay to EVERYTHING.
Okay for slow specs (e.g., Warlock, Shadow Priest).
For Outlaw = disaster.
leaden sonnet
Id suggest you listen to the experienced outlaw players in here over AI who has no fucking clue what its talking about
keen belfry
imagine low spell q outaw
fathom bramble
actions are not blocked by old inputs
anymore*
if you ask chatgpt/whatever junk ai you want to pick it has consumed a ton of outdated incorrect and misleading info
waxen flower
I asked chat gpt yesterday, was only copy here for inputs, but I will trust you guys more
fathom bramble
you can queue a spell at -250 MS before the action woul take place and then replace it at -100 MS if you are spamming and make a brief, but quickly corrected mis input
glass mortar
If you ever feel the need to trust ai for stuff like this try asking it the opposite of what you want
unique fulcrum
i tried playing with 180 and it felt laggy
glass mortar
"My friend said 250ms spellqueue is lowering my dps but I know this is wrong. Can you explain to him why it's wrong?"
glass mortar
It will print you out an equally convincing argument in the opposite direction of ur question
gaunt phoenix
"...the last 500 words I sent were completely made up, good catch!"
glass mortar
Yup
mystic berry
"My friend said 250ms spellqueue is lowering my dps but I know this is wrong. Ca...
Then you say that you are the one actually wrong and ask it to correct you
fathom bramble
AI definitely has some funny responses in here "If you get a Propportunity proc or a Hidden Blade proc right at the end of a GCD"
fathom bramble
i tried playing with 180 and it felt laggy
it is easy for it to feel laggy, but again it is important to realize/remember that it is not actually laggy you are just not use to being able to queue spells
random stirrup
hey now that flashing steel proc feels pretty delayed
fathom bramble
unless you have an actual source of lag that is happening alongside your spellqueuewindow checking
glass mortar
I mean I've seen reddit posts about spellqueue being broken this expac
So this issue is definitly being felt by lots of people
random stirrup
I mean I've seen reddit posts about spellqueue being broken this expac
happens literally every expac and i am personally convinced there is something fundamentally wrong with it
glass mortar
Yea ngl same
fathom bramble
not having enough resources to actually queue the spell despite the fact that you would have enough resources in 250ms makes the spellqueue window behave poorly
idk how much of that effect is affecting it though
river wing
wait what
you can change the delay on spells????
mighty pivot
i changed my sqw and immediately found a real anime waifu and a bag with 500k eurobucks and uncapped bf
mystic berry
wait what
you can change the delay on spells????
no
You can change for how long the game remember your button presses
river wing
yeah yeah w/e, how do I do this
fathom bramble
use this command /dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")
if it says 400 and you haven't noticed anything weird that you dislike
don't change anything
or touch it at all
river wing
it says 400 but it's been really sticky-feeling sometimes
true light
How’s outlaw been doing raid/m+ wise to yall? Been thinking of switching from sin and trying it tonight
quiet ore
it says 400 but it's been really sticky-feeling sometimes
Sticky feeling is just straight up server latency
fathom bramble
you can try lower with /console SpellQueueWindow 300
but I would recommend never ever going below 200
river wing
alright, will give 300 a try, thanks
fathom bramble
the way you have to play to have no gaps below 200 is very silly
quiet ore
the way you have to play to have no gaps below 200 is very silly
Carpel tunnel powers go
fathom bramble
and gets sillier the further below 200 you go
mystic berry
How’s outlaw been doing raid/m+ wise to yall? Been thinking of switching from si...
raid? the worst spec out there, m+? depends on how good or bad your tank is
eternal hound
the way you have to play to have no gaps below 200 is very silly
Set it to 1 got it
mystic berry
Set it to 1 got it
Break your fingers trying to match a frost mage with 2 apm
Do it
waxen flower
Bonescythe Shoulders from BMAH, worth 1mio gold?
quiet ore
Bonescythe Shoulders from BMAH, worth 1mio gold?
Clearly someone thinks so, if it's not the like 10k starting price
livid trench
If you don’t want to farm naxx sure , if you don’t mind they cost about 500k to make
fathom bramble
I probably wouldn't pay over 5k for a transmog like that
waxen flower
yeah I read farming this naxx stuff is a brain 😂
I have all pce except the shoulders
copper radish
Bonescythe Shoulders from BMAH, worth 1mio gold?
You can make the whole set from the lamented pieces for probably 3-5mil
waxen flower
You can make the whole set from the lamented pieces for probably 3-5mil
alright ty, I missing only the Shoulders, hope they pop up son in the bmah ^^
unique fulcrum
anything above 100 feels so laggy for me idk i cant do it
frail veldt
anything above 100 feels so laggy for me idk i cant do it
bro if youre running sub 100 youre def losing gcds
waxen flower
anything above 100 feels so laggy for me idk i cant do it
same for me and I have 40ms world
frail veldt
that means you need to press your keybind within 100ms of the gcd timer for you to get a frame perfect gcd
unique fulcrum
i have 15ms world
frail veldt
over 100 doesnt add lag guys lol
unique fulcrum
and i tried 180
frail veldt
yall are misunderstanding how the queue works
unique fulcrum
yeas
frail veldt
to see what your gcd timing is
waxen flower
I tried 250, 200, 150, 400 and all are not smooth as before 2 days
waxen flower
and I don't know what was the settings 2 days ago, never changed anything with sqw
mystic berry
I tried 250, 200, 150, 400 and all are not smooth as before 2 days
its probably latency bro
the blizzard ui thingy isnt accurate
to micro stutters
frail veldt
and I don't know what was the settings 2 days ago, never changed anything with s...
then it would have been default
which is 400 I believe
waxen flower
thanks for your advice 👍
hope I can fix it tomorrow and Dungeons do more fun
mighty pivot
they hotfixed the name of this cloak. what will reddit complain about now? 
random stirrup
they hotfixed the name of this cloak. what will reddit complain about now? <:gar...
im ngl was trying to farm the headpiece and got absolutely jebaited by this thing like twice
good change!
mighty pivot
I am farming for a hero head too. I think I'm over 30 runs rn 
random stirrup
pit took me 35 runs but a socketed head dropped on like the 6th caverns
was great too because guy was in the key and needed the head get owned
mystic berry
I am farming for a hero head too. I think I'm over 30 runs rn <:dead:93288839631...
got one at the tw raid
felt like a good use of my time
placid ocean
they hotfixed the name of this cloak. what will reddit complain about now? <:gar...
What was it named
frail veldt
how do I get to the palce to pickup the ragnaros timewalking quest?
mystic berry
Its inside the instance
frail veldt
oh ez
mighty pivot
What was it named
soulhunter's mask
placid ocean
Interesting name for a cloak
jolly geyser
how do I get to the palce to pickup the ragnaros timewalking quest?
people usually share it also
its at cata portals org/sw
mighty pivot
Interesting name for a cloak
it's a literal mask on ytour back
river wing
they hotfixed the name of this cloak. what will reddit complain about now? <:gar...
but...what was wrong with it
placid ocean
Oh, neat
river wing
is this about it being called a mask previously
river wing
lol
frail veldt
they hotfixed the name of this cloak. what will reddit complain about now? <:gar...
LOL
honestly
the icon and name
fooled me too
mighty pivot
helm finally dropped 
only pit and academy jails left
cinder relic
was great too because guy was in the key and needed the head <:garf:132017303274...
I did more damage though noob
molten oasis
G’day guys where can I find the sheet that shows how much % each buff gives each Rouge spec
craggy barn
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
craggy barn
in there
molten oasis
Thank you
random stirrup
you got gapped by guy ?
noob sent all his crests already
couldnt be me
we play the long game
molten oasis
Hey Pros and cons for Sub Vs outlaw in a Bear Phys comps?
Arms + BM as the other 2 DPS
frail veldt
Sub:
Pros: Its not outlaw
Cons: Its still a rogue
Outlaw:
Pros: guns are cool
Cons: Its outlaw and its still a rogue
hasty warren
iicrsub benefits from phys comp are equivalent for outlaw
frail veldt
fixed it
vivid vessel
noob sent all his crests already
you do that when you early prog noob
hasty warren
but sub looks a little better than outlaw rn
vivid vessel
well i mean
end boss is far from anyone still so
i wouldnt send bad stuffs yet
but maybe he just has mythic gear
to spend on
like me
:D
glass mortar
^
its not that hard
put boss hp to 0
dont let ur hp hit zero?
whats taking these bozos so long
if i wasnt doing paperwork id do it rn
buoyant cosmos
Do you want them to keep the theme of a Naaru in the Sunwell being a brick wall of a boss?
random stirrup
you do that when you early prog noob
i sent mine like legit 1 hour later
is just joke
guy shouldnt send tho hes perma bench pov
he not getting played until farm
gg
buff rogue
frail veldt
krill issue
shadow trellis
is the next round of tuning the last before 0.5>
glass mortar
we have no clue
and there would not be any way to know besides them telling us that directly
which they have not
generally speaking they are very light on tuning during the race until its over unless theres egregious outliers so
historically speaking there probably wont be much tuning this week if any
shadow trellis
i see thanks
fathom bramble
small buffs to egregiously bad specs at most
nothing will be nerfed that's for sure
next shuttle
How far behind is trickster in m+? I miss perma tricks
mighty pivot
except this time they will announce GIGACHANGES 
I can't wait for the tuning that my favourite devs have prepared
tiny dagger
are yall using wound poison at all
fathom bramble
in caverns
mighty pivot
and in mgt
fathom bramble
and the last half of terrace
gaunt phoenix
How far behind is trickster in m+? I miss perma tricks
Within 2-5%
next shuttle
Nvm, I just remembered I hate target swapping with trickster
gaunt phoenix
Remember trickster does not finish at 5 ever
next shuttle
It still has the target swapping problem right? Where you do more damage to fazed enemies?
mighty pivot
trickster also struggles even more with energy
gaunt phoenix
Also you should probably avoid pressing killing spree during AR, or at least dont supercharge it
Yes fazed targets take more damage and you can only spread it with ks
buoyant cosmos
It still has the target swapping problem right? Where you do more damage to faze...
We put the BTE buff on you! Oh we still want you to lose damage if you attack something else tho
glass mortar
also u dont get flawless form if u use ur stacks into a non fazed target right
or w/e it is
next shuttle
I'll stick to manually tricks'ing then
prisma heron
Geez I loved trickster but when you guys put it like this…
glass mortar
ah ok then its less punishing then it was
gaunt phoenix
They was supposed to be fixed but someone said it's still happening cuz bug
glass mortar
gaunt phoenix
next shuttle
Thanks for helping me realize the mistake in my ways
mighty pivot
no worries, we are all mistakes
gaunt phoenix
At least you can trickster for delve
Tho I guess you just about overgear them now anyway
next shuttle
Yeah
Don't need anything from delves, besides the valuable time I spend with Valeera
gaunt phoenix
Should do the map every week
next shuttle
Why? Besides hero gear
mighty pivot
why
gaunt phoenix
I dont have all hero gear
mighty pivot
go back in m+ then why are you here
glass mortar
because I'll be sad and valeera will be lonely if u dont
next shuttle
I have all hero and myth gear, 273 ilvl
next shuttle
I believe there is a way to guarantee it?
frail veldt
aaaaah I dont think I used my beacon yet
mighty pivot
if I needed to expend my keys I didn't either since it can drop from bountiful boxes
glass mortar
even if u dont have a beacon the chance for the guy to appear mid delve isnt bad
u should never miss a week of mapping
just do more delves
shame on u mewo
more delves
more
mighty pivot
#1 delve fan trying to promote delving 
glass mortar
i am not paid
mighty pivot
just like guy isn't a blizzard employee mhhmm
glass mortar
🏄 🏄♂️
frail veldt
Im online maybe like 5 hours a week
I just hop straight into keys
delves are my least favorite content ever added to wow
mighty pivot
I should check on mafic, haven't been reading his content lately
frail veldt
theyre not easy enough where you can like entirely afk do them like preys flying around disarming traps
and theyre not hard enough to be fun
its like the optimized worst middle ground haha
glass mortar
theres been a few cute bosses this time around
vivid vessel
They was supposed to be fixed but someone said it's still happening cuz bug
i think its just cause they only fixed the tooltip
the classic you know
same thing they did with blind
glass mortar
but yea 11s feel like run trickster and have valeera never take damage or sweat ur fucking life out playing fatebound and knowing if a pack of 2 elites is ever targeting and autoing you for more then 5s you are dead without running
outlaw is so squishy to these npc autos its ass
me when my brawlers outplay is running away
havent faced too many bosses that were auto attack merchants in them at least
tawdry elk
how can I track my roll stage with blizzard cdm ?
mighty pivot
They was supposed to be fixed but someone said it's still happening cuz bug
that explains why it sometimes doesn't refresh. Add it to the bug list please. Surely they'll read!
vivid vessel
how can I track my roll stage with blizzard cdm ?
track rtb cuh
vivid vessel
i said it first noob
glass mortar
and its fairly obvious
mighty pivot
it's actually funny that they only changed the tooltip
glass mortar
1 stinky purple die = bad, 2 dice is 2 roll, 3 dice is 3 roll, big golden yellow die = jackpot
tawdry elk
ah alright its about the buff picture
glass mortar
yea its all the same buff
tawdry elk
expected a number somehow or so
tawdry elk
noticed
frail veldt
expected a number somehow or so
count the die lol
mighty pivot
do you guys think that jackpot is just one die because devs don't think outlaws can count to more than 3?
vivid vessel
its very easy to get it
tawdry elk
ty
vivid vessel
is there not an embel that double weapon embel this tier
@gaunt phoenix tell me
tell me now ]
vivid vessel
ok ..
glass mortar
i know....
vivid vessel
lame ..
glass mortar
yea... . .
vivid vessel
im crafting dagger this week i think
mighty pivot
time to buff devourer
glass mortar
sounds like we need an emergency hotfix for unholy again
waiting for a tuesday to do ok damage?
cant have that
frail veldt
liquid benched the rogue
hmm I guess that means they think theyre overhealing by 3.6%
thats all it really takes ig
fluid meadow
do you guys think that jackpot is just one die because devs don't think outlaws ...
we can count to 8, and it's black ball, nice mindgame
maiden coral
I can’t be the only one that thinks Outlaw should be getting buffed.
vivid vessel
i mean
it should lol
but it also has been in a worse state
tww s3
and didnt get buffed
so
maiden coral
Yeah I stopped playing it the past two expansions and love the gameplay loop now, but man, I am not keeping up
mighty pivot
I bet liquid can't bench cats
frail veldt
I bet max cant bench 225
mighty pivot
225 rogues at the same time?
frail veldt
nothing would be ideal
is there any other defensive in the game that costs resource?
maybe ignore pain
mighty pivot
make it refund cost if it reduces damage
unique fulcrum
i have 23% haste and yet i feel energy starved at times
frigid olive
i have 23% haste and yet i feel energy starved at times
I had the same issue in M+, swapping to Flickering Steel helped a little bit but also using AR more liberally and getting the lvl 3 RtB as long as possible. Use Keep it Rolling on trash if you have lvl 3 unless its the pull before a boss.
frail veldt
i have 23% haste and yet i feel energy starved at times
itll still happen sometimes
with bad rng
can try to watch your energy level at the end of a pack
to make sure you arent burning tea charges when youre gona have downtime anyway
frigid olive
They really need to add a toggle for thistle tea
mighty pivot
imagine if you could just toggle tea ye
so that you don't have to worry because you are a pirate/cowboy who spontaneously drinks tea when too tired
stuck patrol
Does anyone have an estimate of how much deadly pursuit is worth dpswise in raid and m+? Or is it such a small gain that it literally is nothing?
frigid olive
I ditched it and took the 15% movement speed
mighty pivot
check the latest pin, it's suggested to take anything else rn
stuck patrol
check the latest pin, it's suggested to take anything else rn
I took it as "you can pick something else if you want" not "don't pick it"
That's why I'm curious about it's impact
mighty pivot
the best way to gauge that is to check logs of people with this talent and see the uptime of the buff
eternal hound
I ditched it and took the 15% movement speed
The stam is bis
mighty pivot
but it's generally bad because it procs even during your rotation and then it cannot proc for another 15 cp
stuck patrol
Movement speed = potential more uptime on high movement fights = more dps
frigid olive
The stam is bis
For +10 and below I find I don't need the extra stam. Maybe higher keys it will be better.
stuck patrol
Needing Stam just skill issue, don't take damage 
mighty pivot
remember when you could take both?
stuck patrol
RIP
eternal hound
Needing Stam just skill issue, don't take damage <:Kappa:675691839881216001>
Oh whats that? Did viceroy just destroy you before you could even press evade
fuck that boss
glass mortar
I took it as "you can pick something else if you want" not "don't pick it"
its bad
very bad
move speed = get to the boss faster = infinity more dps upgrade
all my homies hate stamina
we MS maxing
stuck patrol
Hell yea
surreal latch
Wrong chan
stiff vector
all my homies hate stamina
nah its worth playing on vorasius over the move speed because his hitbox is fucking gigantic
polar kelp
Man I'm debating taking cheat death or feint DR......I've been playing feint dr forever but this energy starved is real in higher keys always using it
Might just eat a mechanic to use cheat death proc for free lol
clever sun
hello guys
I have a question to ask
I have almost finished following the steps provided by ZAC
Where can I obtain fonts
glass mortar
@vivid vessel
static crescent
wonder if they will not do any proper tuning next reset becouse of RWF
fathom bramble
RWF usually means we are unlikely to see any large buffs or any nerfs at all
static crescent
I really havent waited notes for a long time, but havent played anything as shit previous seasons so
but yeah guess its gonna be atleast +1 reset for hope of buffs
kind vapor
Outlaw st feels terrible
kind vapor
5+ targets in m+ feels okay but anything below that is terrible
static crescent
guess i shouldnt care too much, im making so much mistakes i can improve tons by just not being shit at the game
kind vapor
😆 probably me too