outlaw

[vivid vessel]

when you kill big bird

which just means its 2 min phase with a dps stop prolly idk

havent looked at boss yet really i might be capping tho

why do i have the most cooked font in twitch chats now

someone help me

[jolly geyser]

Its april fools

[buoyant cosmos]

Samsung phone aaahh font

[jolly geyser]

Do you use 7tv or ffz with 7tv plugin?

[vivid vessel]

ye i think so idk

[junior coral]

i seen some one talking about rogues getting a buff on ptr or some shit? that true?

[vivid vessel]

no not really

[junior coral]

i cant find the link, also arent we suppose to be getting aoe blind

back

[vivid vessel]

yes

[proven ocean]

I dont

[proven ocean]

Its april fools from 7tv

U can disable it tho

7tv thinks its funny to not be able to read properly so

Ye

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

[mighty pivot]

time to sell some baguettes to buy gold

[blissful idol]

send name i send u

[vivid vessel]

its fine i have infinite gold cuh

just not on that char

[blissful idol]

i'd prefer to buy a token sell it than logging over and sending mail

just saying

[vivid vessel]

i keep gold inside the warbank thingy

:D

[jolly geyser]

Warbank bugs out and deletes it

[blissful idol]

i don't use that at all

[vivid vessel]

in 2027 maybe we get global gold shareable by all chars

maybe !

dont think the tech is there yet

[mighty pivot]

I am not sharing my gold with my shitter alts

[vivid vessel]

just makes everything account bound

[mighty pivot]

they should go work

[vivid vessel]

i just odnt know why its not

baseline

why do i have to put gold in here

to share it

xdd

[blissful idol]

blizzard hires only vibe coders

it's okay

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

altough he isnt on the metters right

this boss its kinad about which spec burst the most during intermissions i think

[keen belfry]

hopefully aug diff right?

[vivid vessel]

no

just that p1 damage is prolly irrelevant

[keen belfry]

oh doesnt aug buff eeryone know

now

[vivid vessel]

yes

kinda

no

yes

[keen belfry]

ok nvm thats fine then

[vivid vessel]

eh

[keen belfry]

all dps*

[vivid vessel]

this boss is going to be something

[keen belfry]

looks like tindral fyrakk again

400 pulls??

[vivid vessel]

you basically can stop dps forever for intermission i think

abnd thats like 3 times per pull

[keen belfry]

outlaw boss

[vivid vessel]

you prolly just wait for 2mins

which hopefully is tuned perfectly for prog

but then what about reclears ..

when you push boss in 1 min ..

[blissful idol]

i hope the race just started and bosses will be challenging

[vivid vessel]

looks that way

[keen belfry]

rank 1500 guilds afking for 30 sconds

[vivid vessel]

they have been progging that boss all day no

[vivid vessel]

and last boss looks insane

i think race is saved

[blissful idol]

now the big boys come to play

let's go

[vivid vessel]

this is sus

bro has demonic gear

has echo not done mythic splits yet

i guess they are progging first for fun

[blissful idol]

he has everything saved

all hero and myth crests

i saw this morning

[keen belfry]

oh if hes down 10 ilvls maybe rogue can be played

[blissful idol]

ye

exile is like 276 i think

[vivid vessel]

ye im unsure if they did splits yet or not

they should all be 280 with splits

and sending things

[blissful idol]

guys

are these basically the same?

u can swap 1 to the other right

[keen belfry]

yes its one trinket

[vivid vessel]

no

oh is it ?

wdym

[soft abyss]

yeah it's onr

[vivid vessel]

yellow sims better

[soft abyss]

press it and change

[vivid vessel]

blue soryr

[blissful idol]

it changes stats

[vivid vessel]

i see

[soft abyss]

blue is crit yellow mast

[blissful idol]

thats the only difference

and color

[soft abyss]

Yeah I have it from chest last week

[blissful idol]

unique equip as well so it has to be one basically

[soft abyss]

Sims better than crucible

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

its our bis

crit is good !

[keen belfry]

its one trinket that u just press tochange the proc thing

[blissful idol]

this looks fun as fuck

[vivid vessel]

its funny that we play double stat trinkets now

[vivid vessel]

im ngl i watched yesterda y

hc and normal

boss is insanely cool

[blissful idol]

on hc

it looked so good

cant wait for mythic bro

[vivid vessel]

ye

[waxen scarab]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail veldt]

we lsot so much trinket damage boosters

bte buff and no vers stacking

and no gs

[waxen scarab]

is last boss neck sim bait?

[vivid vessel]

ye i kjnoiw

[blissful idol]

HOOLY

[vivid vessel]

its a mix

of legit

every boss ever

[blissful idol]

you need to move the light like darkflame cleft

wtf

[vivid vessel]

dimensius, nexus king, kyveza

halondrus

[blissful idol]

they cooked with this one

[vivid vessel]

gallywix soaks also

its very cool

[cinder relic]

Fyrak

Seeds

[hollow temple]

what do u guys usually do when u are about to not have enough gold anymore?

[mint ether]

get more

[hollow temple]

i dont see myself going out and farming gold for hours

other than 💳 idk

[mint ether]

I mean those are literally the options - buy gold or farm it

[cinder relic]

U either swipe or u farm gold or u start doing boosts

[blissful idol]

boost in communities

is what i do

[cinder relic]

Crafting is op as well lol

Esp on expansion launch

[hollow temple]

does it yield good?

[wintry phoenix]

I know a guy who just sells npc shit in the action house

[hollow temple]

i have 0 exp in crafting and never done it since TWW launch xD

[wintry phoenix]

Supposedly made 1m selling water or something

[hollow temple]

huh

[blissful idol]

ye got like 700k in 2 days or os

[hollow temple]

not bad, how many hours / day?

[cinder relic]

If u make like, actual spark gear u can make a shit load

[blissful idol]

total of 10-12 hours i'd say, was chilling

[cinder relic]

U can also make a lot of money with just basic crafts like alchemy

Cooking is probably decent bu tthr barrier to entry is so low

[hollow temple]

like flasks?

[waxen scarab]

any quick diff between these two?

[cinder relic]

I did potions mainly in dragonflight

[cinder relic]

Left is better

[waxen scarab]

love it

[quaint wharf]

is there anything we can do to get out of skyreach bird on last boss? tried vanishing but that didnt work

[stuck tiger]

Can just send kidney and cleave it, not sure if there's an actual way to get out

[pure folio]

yea just stack with melee to the side of the boss and kidney it w hen it spawns

[edgy owl]

am I trolling if I play outlaw instead of sub in raid? I feel like I have way less dmg as outlaw ST

[blissful idol]

Depends on the level of raid you do. If you enjoy outlaw more go for it

[pure folio]

its not troll, no

[dawn tundra]

What's with people overcharging for enchants, my GOD?

[wintry phoenix]

It's always like this at the beginning of a new expansion

[novel isle]

Man I really cant get this spec... I just did less damage than a 247 shaman when im 261 with 4 set

iv been trying for weeks to try and learn it becasue its so fun

I cant figure what im doing wrong

[stuck tiger]

Was it m+ or raid

[novel isle]

m+

[stuck tiger]

A lot of times in m+ i lose globals to focussing on stops which is super detrimental for outlaw dam

[cinder relic]

Other than alleria, not really

[novel isle]

had 52k dps overall

[stuck tiger]

Idk if thats a problem for u but it is for me

Maybe rotational then..

You could always watch a vod of a key, it helps sometimes

[dawn tundra]

I think it also depends on how familiar you are with the dungeon and its mechanics.

[prisma heron]

I have this issue as well. End up with like twice as many interrupts as the next person though

[novel isle]

im even doing the pistol shot on 2, strike on 1 optimize

[dawn tundra]

Placement, not to mention teams in M+, are everything.

[edgy owl]

Not really means it's a bit of trolling, innit?

[novel isle]

ill clip some and share I wanna know wtf im doing wrong

[stuck tiger]

Yeah easier to see thru a clip as long as what youre pressing is visible

[stuck tiger]

Yeah I had 45 total on windrunner 😭 I need some help

[cinder relic]

Maybe but genuinely no

[pure folio]

That's more of a min max than actual big rotational issue

You are probably not doing ur rotation right outside of min maxes, and prob not statted for haste enough

log a key then made a thread asking for help

or record

[prisma heron]

If we’re at that 23% haste range, do we still benefit from bloodlust?

I remember in TWW feeling like sometimes my UI couldn’t keep up with the gcd

[stuck tiger]

I usually barely feel it

[gaunt phoenix]

its just more autos

[glass mortar]

ur autos ascend into Valhalla

thats about it

[pure folio]

Bloodlust is hardly a gain

like 2.5%~

i dont think ur gcds are crazy style

[glass mortar]

i suspect its more then that

autos are quite a bit of our profile rn

[dawn tundra]

So even with my 4-set and a Haste Flask, I'm sub-twenty percent haste.

[glass mortar]

if u look at sims theres quite a spike for our profile during lust

auto attacks double dip haste because of our SnD talent so

[prisma heron]

I think that’s why I like outlaw so much. It always plays at the same speed. I know it’s technically high apm, but because you’re never really going faster or slower, i don’t over compensate by button mashing.

[glass mortar]

well AR increases the speed by 25%

for like a third of the rotation

its pretty noticable to me at least

[pure folio]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dUN49sB5znorjFx1zWsxmb

[glass mortar]

2.5% over 5 minutes of which lust is less then 20% of the sim...

sure its 2.5% on a boss fight

its not 2.5% during lust though

was what i meant

[pure folio]

i see

[fickle relic]

y'all killed nullaeus in trickster or fatebound?

[vivid vessel]

fatedboubnd

having her tank doesnt work

she get oen shot

[fickle relic]

i have her in healing spec

[vivid vessel]

ye same

[fickle relic]

and you lived even when tricks ran out?

[vivid vessel]

yes

i waited end of week to do it with gear tho

its quite hard as rogue you get blasted by autos

i would tricks add sets so i dont get meleed that much during adds

and then try to have evasion ready for last phase

she ramps up her damage

vanish can also save you

[fickle relic]

i died 3 times in a row to his cast while i tried to revive her on his 50%, but otherwise trickster works fine so far

[vivid vessel]

idk maybe with higher level valeera

when i tried day 1 she would die in legit 5s

[fickle relic]

i think i'll try to push with trickster, so far i died only to skill issue

[dawn tundra]

Any good sources for haste gear? I'm trying to get it back up so my energy regen isn't a dumpster-fire.

[cinder relic]

pit or saron

[dawn tundra]

I already have some Champion pieces, but getting into M+ is kinda rough.

Champion pieces from PoS, I mean.

[cinder relic]

Haste flask is also useful

And alchemy skill that gives u +1 hour on flasks

[novel isle]

Heres some pack + boss video I just did. Personally given what I know it was pretty good, did what I belive was the right rotation using my abilities on cooldown...

If anyone wants to pick it appart and tell me wtf im missing? 😅

[vivid vessel]

you need to track blade flurry buff lol

and at the very least maintain it in aoe

[gaunt phoenix]

first thing, you didnt use blade flurry immediately

[vivid vessel]

or press it on cd for cp gen at 5cp

[gaunt phoenix]

without BF you dont do aoe damage at all

You cant have 4 globals without bf active

[novel isle]

I thought I was pressing it on cooldown 😅

[vivid vessel]

also yhou need to use this spell

keep it rolling

[novel isle]

Im watching this back now too lol

[vivid vessel]

extend your rtb buff

[novel isle]

didnt want to just before a boss

[vivid vessel]

you still did tho

but after losing the good buff

it was ready for the entire first pack and you had a 3 buff

and didnt use it

[gaunt phoenix]

Kir is not a cooldown you sit on

[vivid vessel]

then went on to next pack

rolled a 2

[gaunt phoenix]

You just use it

[vivid vessel]

and you kired it

and yes we dont hold coodlwon like that

it will just make you drop to 1 buff at some point

whcih will kill your energy

which will snowball

and is just bad

[novel isle]

alright ty

[vivid vessel]

you are also overcapping your ps stacks

i saw you press ss at 6 stack

but i mean your ui is kinda bad i doubt you even see your stacks

why is everything transparent

[novel isle]

ps?

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

i see on the boss adrenaline rush was ready but you still pressed like 2 finishers before using AR

that's a bunch of lost cooldown reduction on ar

Cuz our cooldowns are reduced by spending cps

[novel isle]

what im hearing is my prep is bad, should be using AR / BF first?

[gaunt phoenix]

we generally have a priority of cooldowns over finishers over builders

so cooldowns like BF AR have priority

Over anything

That;s what the #outlaw-faq priority is trying to convey

[novel isle]

im seeing them but as long as my SinStr is getting me to 6 im not using PS

[gaunt phoenix]

the highest priority action is AR and blade flurry in aoe

PS at 6 stacks is higher priority than sinister strike always

[vivid vessel]

there is a difference between seeing them and actually seeing them tho

[novel isle]

im using them but im using them after other abilities, which are doing less because these were not used first

[vivid vessel]

i saw you press ss at 1 cp with 6 stacks

^ss

not sure what that has to do with anything

[novel isle]

was thinking pistol shot

[novel isle]

thats what the guide told me to do, if your opertunity hits with rtb2+ you get to 6 cp

if it does not proc you use ps to build from 3

[vivid vessel]

you dont press ss with max ps stacks

[gaunt phoenix]

no, the guide says you only do that with 3 stacks of opportunity

[vivid vessel]

it takes priority then

[novel isle]

okay

[vivid vessel]

waht guide

[novel isle]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR6p44oemms

[stable wolf]

boutta get rickrolled at april 1st

[novel isle]

btw, I started playing this game in TWW S1, I mained MM hunter

😄

[novel isle]

I wish I had thought of that haha

[vivid vessel]

how did you manage to send a link that didnt embed actually

weird !

[wintry solar]

Welcome to the champions club

[novel isle]

yea idk, not seen that before

[mint ether]

also, you know, do whatever you want with your UI but

[novel isle]

I hit 2500 on hunter, I was pretty fucking good at it tbh

[mint ether]

having enemy casts at the very bottom of your screen is probably not ideal

[wintry solar]

Now say it with your chest

[novel isle]

I look at the nameplates for casts

[wintry solar]

Fix yer UI

[devout smelt]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[wintry solar]

Get your money up, not your funny up

[novel isle]

if anyone has any recommends with UI ill be happy to try em

[wintry solar]

Random red name using bot

[mint ether]

most people center energy and combo points

[wintry solar]

[mint ether]

there are also things you just aren't tracking

[novel isle]

bf?

[vivid vessel]

blade flrury

[novel isle]

I figure if I just use it on cooldown then why do I need to track it

[mint ether]

I don't know how you're tracking opportunity stacks

well, because you don't use it on CD

you only use it on CD at 4+ targets

[novel isle]

wat

[gaunt phoenix]

most of your low overall is probably bf

other than that outlaw is just small errors that add up, cuz every single global matters for energy and cdr

unlike sin or sub where most of your damage is within cooldowns

[fickle relic]

nice got him

trickster's the goat

[mint ether]

which part is confusing

[novel isle]

just not heard that before ever

[novel isle]

so if its 3 pack you use when the buff ends?

[gaunt phoenix]

blade flurry, as a combo point builder, is used at 4+ targets

at 2-3 targets you still just maintain and dont let it expire

[novel isle]

I might be stupid but what he said and what that says dont sound the same haha

but thank you for the info

anyone got any UI recommended?

[prisma heron]

I know we hold bte for AR within 30 secs or so. Do we hold blade rush at all?

[gaunt phoenix]

nope

[mint ether]

the wowhead guide might have some exports

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean if you are at 1 target and will be at 8 targets in a few seconds, sure you can hold br

[mint ether]

but honestly centering your CP and energy will go a long way, IMO

[novel isle]

but then where do my abilities go haha

[mint ether]

this is also again personal preference, but all of your buttons are like vaguely transparent in a way that makes them harder to see for no real reason

people do different things, but "abilities directly above energy/CP with utility right below" is very common now

[novel isle]

It makes the yellow glow stand out more, I tried without transparent and found it hard to see procs

[gaunt phoenix]

a common thing is to put blade flurry as a bar right above cps

[summer valve]

!macros

!opener

[novel isle]

only really works if its your only bar though right

by the way, do we ever use shiv?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[novel isle]

yeet

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a utility to dispell enrage

but i dont think i have it talented

[proven ocean]

Hmm weird i prefer it the other way around

[gaunt phoenix]

cooldowns at the top?

or blade flurry under

[proven ocean]

Cp’s are what u react to so u need them closer to ur eyes and pack ur fighting to

Cds/flurry are static u can always leave them down

And develop muscle memory out of that

[novel isle]

Bit better 🙂

I remember when I was playing Hunter, I actually turned off all my UI because I was staring at my bars all the time XD

[proven ocean]

With respect, wtf is that

Lmao

Why is 40% of ur screen weakauras

[novel isle]

na tell me 😄

weak aura?

[proven ocean]

Yea move ur health bar somewhere else

[vivid vessel]

guys ..

[fossil lintel]

All I see is bald

[proven ocean]

U want ur ui to be a thin rectangle

Not a square

[novel isle]

Agent 47 roleplay

[fossil lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/bald-man-lick-bald-man-yummy-stare-bald-man-orange-juice-gif-5770688589702527723

[novel isle]

haha

[formal pawn]

m3ddy not working in raid has to be a bug

[novel isle]

Im trying to earn your respect sir

[keen belfry]

i cant tell if rng or not but i swear we need to ignore the sim when it comes to haste for m+

we need 25

[novel isle]

I saw something saying that we needed 20% to max out the GCD reduction in AR

[vivid vessel]

youdo

[keen belfry]

i keep having multiple moments, depending on random pug tank pulls, where i cant play the game

zac urlucky monksea liks u

lieks!

[vivid vessel]

i know

[keen belfry]

in what world does it suck more to bring 2 mobs onto a boss

crazy world we live in rn

[vivid vessel]

i mean dont bf them lol

if we do that im not bfing

[keen belfry]

yeah i stopped

crazy world we lve in

[cinder relic]

Hunter too busy gaining more than double damage on 2 targets

[unique fulcrum]

did i fuck up by having 3 crafted items on 285 or is it alright

[cinder relic]

Its not ideal but its fine

[vivid vessel]

well crafts are just less efficient than spending crests

[unique fulcrum]

i mean i dont really mythic raid

[vivid vessel]

but i mean

if you dont have anything to spend crests on

[unique fulcrum]

aight ty

[nova sinew]

they should remove killing spree and triple to quadroople blade rush damage

i love blade rush but god it does no damage it feels like

[unique fulcrum]

it does alot

í mean, good amount

[gray summit]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[eternal hound]

Blade rush does no damage?

Bro I spike when I hit that

[frail veldt]

your feeling might be a lil off

BR is big in aoe

its not crazy crazy big but its big

nothing we have really hits hard

[novel isle]

Just did rotation on the 5 dummy and didnt run out of energy for 18 mins 135k dps
Seems better

[frail veldt]

if you compare to other specs

[nova sinew]

That’s what I’m saying

They gotta

Crank that shit 4x

Blade rush tier set

Blade rush apex

Inject it

In my blood stream

[stable wolf]

no brother you are playing Outlaw you need to press 3x as many more buttons to do the same(less) dps

[nova sinew]

That button is so good

[novel isle]

with 4 set it does bits

[nova sinew]

Button holy typo

[mystic berry]

hear me out

[nova sinew]

It’s the only rogue ability with a animation I can actually see

[mystic berry]

Killing spree removes BR cd for 10 seconds

[nova sinew]

LMAO

How about

[mystic berry]

[nova sinew]

Br removes killing spree from the talent tree

Trickster with br is like

The easiest thing

To do

[brave fossil]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mystic berry]

In all seriousness though, if they shaved half of KS channeling time I could see it

being a thing

[indigo token]

applying to guilds on outlaw is sisyphian

[pastel cloud]

doing anything with outlaw'

[mystic berry]

Just apply to housing guilds

competitive decoration

[nova sinew]

Apply as sub and craft sword

[mystic berry]

diabolical

[nova sinew]

Worst they can do is bench you

[mystic berry]

Same energy to applying to groups as sub

then changing last minute

[nova sinew]

I’m gonna start doing this

On my outlaw

I can’t get into 10s as law

[mystic berry]

We are rogues afterall

Some are even tricksters

Its fitting

[hollow temple]

what did u change?

[fallow summit]

yo! ive dabbled with both sub and assass so far in midnight but havent dipped my toes into outlaw. are we liking outlaw? how is it doing in keys for everyone? my complaints with sub is that pressing two buttons gets old. hoping its different with outlaw.

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel echo ahead even tho liquid ahead in time...

[indigo token]

outlaw is definitely more active

[proven ocean]

maybe echo tier...

[fathom bramble]

outlaw as 5/6 different abilities that are commonly used in aoe(depending on where you draw the line at commonly)

[indigo token]

but no one outside of the outlaw playerbase likes outlaw

[fathom bramble]

so you should find that it at the very least doesn't feel like it only has 2 buttons

[proven ocean]

nice

[vivid vessel]

bro

[proven ocean]

u can keep ur hp closer to ur ui pack

if u want

[vivid vessel]

liquid havent pulled

[proven ocean]

cp's are a little big but they're fine

[vivid vessel]

they are just doing splits

[proven ocean]

76%

what

?

[vivid vessel]

echo have been pulling before splits

[proven ocean]

hmm

[vivid vessel]

thats method haha

[proven ocean]

oh

wtf

why did i think its liquid

LOL

[fallow summit]

does outlaw do well on large pulls? i know its capped at 5 targets, is that a soft cap and the damage is decreased or is it hard capped like we can litearlly only hit 5 targets at a time

[vivid vessel]

outlaw does well at 5 to 10 target

after that it starts to get fucked over by target cap

uneder that you cant really play

[proven ocean]

ngl zac

[vivid vessel]

and yes its a strict hard cap

[proven ocean]

method is just pushing it for numbers and statistics that they're competing

[vivid vessel]

at 8 target

[fathom bramble]

yeah it's a hard cap, but it is 8 not 5 thanks to a talent

[proven ocean]

but they know they dont have a chance of winning at all

deep inside

[proven ocean]

no offense to the method fans tho but

0%

win rate

[vivid vessel]

ye

i man

mean

[fallow summit]

damn. does that cap kind of suck sometimes? i feel like that would be annoying like watching the other dps pop off in algethar first pull and im just stuck hitting 8 targets

[vivid vessel]

from what i understood

[fathom bramble]

yes

[vivid vessel]

echo is pulling mythic before splits to get good prog in

and then they finish splits when tired

[proven ocean]

its weird that echo pulled tho

[fathom bramble]

I would say it is at it's worst in terrace where there is 1000 tiny mobs that don't matter in like half the key

[proven ocean]

oh

thats smart

ngl

[vivid vessel]

ye cause the opposite you have to go sleep after doing 10 h of splits haha

[fallow summit]

i guess whats the appeal to outlaw for you guys then?

[proven ocean]

ye true

[cinder relic]

Its fun!

[vivid vessel]

its fun

[proven ocean]

but like

since they are that deep in the fight before splits

thats kinda crazy no?

[vivid vessel]

are they that deep lol

[proven ocean]

ye i think so lol

[nova sinew]

crit for aa?

[vivid vessel]

they are almost at 100 pull

[desert tendon]

they didnt spent crest yet right?

[vivid vessel]

boss at 60%

[proven ocean]

i mean dont look at pull count tho

[vivid vessel]

on some chars only

[proven ocean]

cuz they are experimenting

but

[desert tendon]

dude if they are at 100 pulls 60%

imagine muggle guilds

[proven ocean]

thing is day 1 60% for echo is insane idk for a pre last boss

[desert tendon]

3 nights 90% inc

[proven ocean]

usually pre last boss is crazy hard or?

ye

mugzee for example

it was nuts

[desert tendon]

stone legion

tindral

[proven ocean]

ye

see zac

[fathom bramble]

outlaw is highly active, reactive, and dynamic which makes it much more enjoyable than the rigid nature of a lot of other specs in the game. I don't enjoy doing the same thing every pull especially with limited or no procs to react to.

[proven ocean]

what i mean

or

[vivid vessel]

i mean sure

[desert tendon]

Well SL kelthuzad was dogshit 20 pulls

[proven ocean]

like

[vivid vessel]

idk if its the right approach tho

[proven ocean]

zac one other thing u need to understand tho

ccuz like

[vivid vessel]

they are giving liquid free info

[proven ocean]

they have to upgrade hc items

and uhh

[vivid vessel]

i know that

[proven ocean]

i mean they get hc items

[desert tendon]

Sofo had just hard bosses

[proven ocean]

and stuff

ye

[fallow summit]

@fathom bramble gotcha!

[desert tendon]

rygelon and anduin before jailer himself

[proven ocean]

idk this tier looks super easy because they disabled WAs

and they didnt want to do something crazy i guess

i expect last boss to have something super crazy tho

things u need WAs for

rest no

[desert tendon]

should have nuked down every single addons imho. But that s not the subject

[proven ocean]

and then

they nerf it accordingly

imo

[vivid vessel]

have you seen last bos

its a banger

[proven ocean]

no

[desert tendon]

last boss must have an unique strat and overlaps

[proven ocean]

where is fight

cant see

[vivid vessel]

its a fight with

[proven ocean]

whats his name

i search

[vivid vessel]

rygelon, dimensuis, galywix, hanlondrus mechs

its quite cool

[proven ocean]

this is the fight or

[desert tendon]

SoFo was just a really good raid

anyways, nathria and sofo, SL was goat

[vivid vessel]

y

[proven ocean]

hyoly shit what a fight

lo0l

looks like just dimensius p3

from start to end

[summer swan]

is heart of wind good trinket for us?

i got it from weekly vault

[proven ocean]

dimensius had horrible transmissions

that felt bad

[fathom bramble]

it is among the best dungeon trinkets, but is outclasses by raid trinkets

[proven ocean]

i like what they're doing on that boss

[shell fossil]

feels like they hate that

pirate has a gun

in warcraft

[fathom bramble]

intermission phases should never have hard downtime like dim

and if we have a final fight where damage doesn't matter(holding damage) then imo blizz has fucked something up

the fact that dim had damage holds not once, not twice, but three times was insane

[stable wolf]

big spectacle is more important than good gameplay

doubly true if you are blizzturd

[tropic heath]

Hello everyone, just got back on the game after a 2 years break, how do you think outlaw is doing so far ? and since weakaura is gone what do you think about the new ui system to track cd ?

[stable wolf]

Outlaw is really fun for a week or two

and then your hands start to hurt and you start asking yourself how the fuck your guildmates havent figured out how to target swap after 200 pulls

[novel isle]

Changed UI to see better, stopped trying to optimize and just went faster instead, used AR and BF first and on CD

[tropic heath]

Yeah well that aspect didn't change much lol, i don't know if it's me but it feel like rogue is pretty weak atm

[stable wolf]

it seemed okay based on reading the charts, not great mind you

[kind axle]

there's a lot of rogues in the top keys proportional to the % of the playerbase that plays rogue

[stable wolf]

just wait a few weeks item level and nerfs is gonna solve 95% of tuning issues

like always

[novel isle]

When are the ace up your sleeve changes coming

thought it was this reset

[fathom bramble]

there is only speculative dates afaik

we will get a release date sometime soon™

the ptr was changed to being labeled a "release candidate" despite no iteration to our 2 spec changes

so it shouldbe sooner rather than later

[blissful idol]

where can i find 10 more mythic crests after hitting cap?

delves?

or i can't

[fathom bramble]

the only after cap sources for myth crests are the ?? delve boss, and the cracked keystone quest from doing a T11 delve

both of those are one time only

[blissful idol]

ok so delves

ty

[hollow temple]

can u dm me screenshot of ui if fine? 🙂

[novel isle]

^^

im not going to say its amazing, but it works better than mine did

[balmy topaz]

Ye okay first boss march

is so shit

[full coral]

I don’t quite understand what I’m missing in regards to sims? None of the bis trinkets are simming that good

[zenith egret]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bR37Gm9ikk9aYzw1bNHRBX Crucible that "good" to get rid of not the nor the worst HM ST dungeon trinket ?

[leaden sonnet]

Yes crucible is good

[wintry solar]

You're good

Ever think about that?

[zenith egret]

Dam, felt like a small waste of HM crest on that spire axe trinket

[lucid sparrow]

y are we at the top on the phoenix

whos buggin the meters

[vivid vessel]

outlaw very bad at that boss

all the important damage is done in intermission

[real shoal]

guys do we not take killing spree talent?

[vivid vessel]

you have cds for that

[novel isle]

MT, best overall iv had

its going up haha

I was doing like 40k overall most of the time so im happy

[balmy topaz]

Whoops

i got rank 1

gg

Wait no I didn't

[buoyant cosmos]

"See, outlaw is fine"

[novel isle]

Its fun, thats the important part

[buoyant cosmos]

Always, this is a game after all.

[novel isle]

if I can clear all 10 in time without getting carried ill be happy 🙂

[unkempt iris]

is this good overall for a seat

[frail veldt]

What ilvl are you

[unkempt iris]

269

[frail veldt]

You can look in #1184888068264689756 for other overalls

But it's a lil low

[unkempt iris]

ahh yeah i see

it was a pug group in a 15 so idk if i wouldve gotten the pulls to achieve those numbers

[shy sandal]

should i go for diff color gems?

[vivid vessel]

no

[real shoal]

sorry i should have been more specific, i see on wowhead fatebound is better than trickster and none of the builds take killing spree, is it that bad rn?

[frail veldt]

killing spree is def bad for fatebound

its mandatory for trickster

trickster is a few percent behind but has a lot more dead time due to energy issues

so to most people it also plays worse

no ones gona stop you though you can play it if you want

oh it also requires more haste

so that makes it harder too

trickster is kinda just bad for a bunch of reasons

[full coral]

Always look at 95% when looking at wowlogs rankings, that meter doesn’t tell the whole story

[real shoal]

thanks for the info

[gray summit]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-67-6-7-tyler-gif-1445330909486008551

[daring yoke]

95th percentile heroic raid. Weird seeing frost dk at the bottom

[novel isle]

yea its only 50k above me 😄

[civic zephyr]

I took a picture of this question i had, but is there a way to do this so i can more easily track palmed shots

Right now i have a ping diff or something bc i dont always notice it right away bc im not always staring at that icon and its stacks...and so i just keep wasting pistol shots.

[novel isle]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[vivid vessel]

no

[unkempt iris]

this is usually how it goes, it always goes back and forth between unholy or frost being at the top whilst the other is at the bottom

but DK has literally always been good, cant name a time where one of the specs wasnt a staple in the meta

blizzard def has devs that main DK

[vivid vessel]

sounds like rogue

except its always sub at the top and outalw at the bottom

no swapping

[unkempt iris]

idk s2 of undermine sub was fucking garbage... i mained it getting into keys was horrid

and outlaw was really good but not enough people played it to know

[daring yoke]

Assa slowly went up there. Does their tierset as impactful as subs?

[vivid vessel]

not at all

their tier is the same as us

they just figured out how to press their buttons

its a hard spec

[nova sinew]

!prepull

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[desert tendon]

probably harder than current outlaw

[thorny mural]

meh

[balmy topaz]

Outlaw atm is

[daring yoke]

Whats the hard part? Pooling?

[desert tendon]

buby my new favorite outlaw

[thorny mural]

everything atm is

[vivid vessel]

not falling asleep

[desert tendon]

Wow is

[mystic berry]

Outlaw is hard on my geriatric hands tho

[thorny mural]

outlaw is considered hard bc the average age of a wow player is 83

its brainless under 40

[daring yoke]

Bruh lol. Is primary reason i play outlaw and nothing else. Other spec just puts me to sleep 😭

[desert tendon]

outlaw used to be hard and so people think it s still the case

you know these same people than spam that rogue is the best funnelling class ever every season

[inland acorn]

compared to some other specs in game

[thorny mural]

df outlaw was the most satisfying thing ive ever experienced in vidya

[inland acorn]

it's still hard for some people

[thorny mural]

imo its the easiest of the three rogues

i tried the other two and never parsed over 80

[mystic berry]

lmao

[thorny mural]

might be diff now i havent even looked at the others

[inland acorn]

That's

[mystic berry]

Sub bro?

[inland acorn]

Not how you

decide which spec is easy and which is hard

[thorny mural]

it is when its my opinion

i tried the others

couldnt figure them out

so i think outlaw easiest

[vivid vessel]

outlaw is still definitly harder than the other 2 specs

i dont think thats even a question

[balmy topaz]

[inland acorn]

I love this gravedigger BtE projectile bullshit

So fking annoying

Why is it even projectile

[mystic berry]

its atrocious in vorasius

it gotta be a bug

[inland acorn]

ye vorasius is like giga annoying with this bs

feels like i'm sitting for extra 0.5s

waiting for it to give me cps

[frail veldt]

It's due to the reset only coming once bte hits

[inland acorn]

but why

is it projectile

normal bte is instant

[frail veldt]

Cuz they don't have talented developers so they make bad decisions? Idk

[inland acorn]

[frail veldt]

Welcome to wow

[mystic berry]

hence why it might genuinely be a bug

No reason to be a different bte

[frail veldt]

Its not a bug if it's how they designed it

[vivid vessel]

well no

[frail veldt]

Bte has a projectile now

[vivid vessel]

bte isnt different

[frail veldt]

Ace just procs off of the ability

Not the hit

[blissful idol]

where do i turn this shit in

[vivid vessel]

its just that apex is setup to refund on projectile landing

ace proc normally when you press the spell

they goofed

[inland acorn]

[frail veldt]

Yeah it's not a bug it's just bad design haha

[vivid vessel]

cause skill issue intern

[inland acorn]

lowkey might be just

[vivid vessel]

click on it

[inland acorn]

random dev

slapping this shit

[vivid vessel]

well its a new rogue dev so

[inland acorn]

and decided to copy if off some ranged spell

[vivid vessel]

we know its not realz

[mystic berry]

realz was so good bros

We didnt know how good we had it

[inland acorn]

Was it announced when .5 patch happens ?

or no date yet

[mystic berry]

Someone said its the next one

But I just believe what people say online so..

[inland acorn]

next one what ?

[mystic berry]

Patch

[inland acorn]

?

I mean we know .5 is next patch

Outside of small fixes

[mystic berry]

I mean next week, something about being a release candidate

But idk bout that

[inland acorn]

so

[mystic berry]

I dont think we got a hard date

[inland acorn]

there's pretty much

0 hope for any meaningful outlaw changes

till next season

gg

[mystic berry]

never was

[inland acorn]

fml

I'm so happy tho that I get to invest now 2 talent points into ace

[narrow pasture]

wait friday before we doom?

[inland acorn]

Just to still need to press builder after reset

[mystic berry]

we sim good, we m+ good

We are probably fine as far as the intern is concerned

[narrow pasture]

a few people m+ good*

[mystic berry]

cant argue against that

We got some godly otps

[narrow pasture]

• comps built for outlaw

dmg kinda flops as soon as u dont have every relevant buff

[haughty wigeon]

ya but like always

damage means nothing when its design is poor

i wish people undertstood that more

df ret rework did huge damage but it was designed like a homunculus

[next shuttle]

What is the command to check the simmed dps of all three specs?

[frail veldt]

oh we knew

it was a great time

DF s3 was so banger

[haughty wigeon]

outlaw tourists hated it

[frail veldt]

10/10 best m+ season ive ever done

[haughty wigeon]

so they destroyed it

[brave lagoon]

shadowstep + grappling

[keen belfry]

W?

[haughty wigeon]

bear tank

[vivid vessel]

W

[haughty wigeon]

rare good bear tank w??

[vivid vessel]

yo rem

whats up

[haughty wigeon]

im alright, trying to pug march so i can get the glaive

but people are colorblind and or have memory problems

what about u zac?

[inland acorn]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[next shuttle]

Thanks!

[vivid vessel]

i play outlaw

[haughty wigeon]

[next shuttle]

Someone yesterday berated me in a 13 for playing "combat" and not sub

[gaunt phoenix]

My dead emote redirects to this

[vivid vessel]

[karmic stag]

Combat would’ve been a better spec.

[frail veldt]

deserved

[next shuttle]

Yeah...

[zinc briar]

https://gyazo.com/e32d05fb01c4b6c3e833b35e8d97aeb2

top 2 of world

and still sux my dmh

dmg

compared to other dps

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel wanna play uwuscape

its in osrs now

[vivid vessel]

i dont !

[proven ocean]

?!

[light wren]

What’s our % gain through the 4 set bonus?

[blissful idol]

4%

[light wren]

Thanks!

[vivid vessel]

np

[frail veldt]

yw

[kind inlet]

Sorry if this has been asked, is there anything that will allow me to steal the current roll and show it to a designated area on the screen?

[soft abyss]

like the buff tracker from CDM?

[kind inlet]

It tracks jackpot and such?

[glass mortar]

u can track it using the CDM

it will show a different icon for each buff level

[kind inlet]

Gotcha so RTB will transform to current pull.

thanks!

[glass mortar]

yup

really all u need to know is purple = bad (1 buff) but 2/3 buff both have 2/3 dice so its pretty easy to tell

[kind inlet]

and you can KIR on anything 2+?

[glass mortar]

u can

[soft abyss]

I have it as a tracked bar

[glass mortar]

altho if u will have multiple loaded dice available (with prep) or LD is up when KiR comes up you can reroll before using it

[soft abyss]

the icon is a bit small for my liking

but you can do either

[glass mortar]

if its just a 2 buff

3 buff+ u can always just kir right away i believe

[kind inlet]

so RTB and KIR isntantly if 3+

Gotcha. Thanks.

[glass mortar]

basically if LD is available shortly or available when KiR is up (as a buff or AR is off cd) you KiR at 3+ immediatly, or once you've rolled your LD away

[gaunt phoenix]

@normal marlin not the place for that

[eternal hound]

So I should probably track LD

[hasty fable]

From the pin: "The consensus on Deadly Pursuit has shifted since launch. Originally it was kind of like "it's not great, but it could impact dps in some way, so we might as well take it" but really the impact of the talent is so minimal that people would rather take the extra stamina instead, which is fine."

What extra stamina?

[vivid vessel]

litteraly the only passive dr rogue has

[hasty fable]

right; how does dropping DP allow that since it's a choice node we took anyway?

[vivid vessel]

dp compete with that

[eternal hound]

The m+ build dosent take it?

[vivid vessel]

try removing combat stamina

[hasty fable]

OH M+ build my bad, nvm

[lucid sparrow]

genuinely sometimes

altho rarely

find myself on low energy with no tea

and i just dont spend for 5s and dp procs

[vivid vessel]

current outlaw has some very noticeable energy issues

dont think it ever was that bad

[lucid sparrow]

that talent would be actually way better if the wait was like 3 seconds

with current energy issues atleast

[eternal hound]

Make RB affect tea

Gg easy

[midnight granite]

Thiefs vers?

[gaunt phoenix]

1.5% DR

[midnight granite]

Yuge

[vivid vessel]

true

[indigo token]

fellas

I got into a guild

[daring yoke]

Did u telll them u were sub?

[indigo token]

i said I was outlaw main but I could flex

[true jackal]

did we get buff

gang

?

[elder sonnet]

should i craft my ring as haste/vers or haste/crit?

[gaunt phoenix]

crit unless you have like 40% ahready

[daring yoke]

Dev on holiday

[elder sonnet]

got it

[true jackal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/C1Fdach2R4HSg

hope dies last

[thorny mural]

surely tight spender is just better than improved ambush

[glass mortar]

where r u seeing improved ambush

no current build uses ambush

that talents just for HO build (which is bad)

[thorny mural]

copied a build from rando on myth leaderboards

[glass mortar]

prob never checked if they swapped it to the right talent

[thorny mural]

guy had everything the same as wowhead except ambush lmfao

[glass mortar]

yea people forget to swap the choice nodes

[mighty pivot]

tight spender does so little so it's hard to notice not having it

[thorny mural]

6% is 6%

[soft musk]

how many gem slots do we need in order to swap to the ring embelishment over the weapon embelishment?

[gaunt phoenix]

the weapon one is probably always a bit better

[glass mortar]

dont the weapon embels gap the other ones

[soft musk]

ah ok. i was going off the wowhead guide and it said at somepoint the gem was better but i wasnt sure. it didnt really elaborate on it or antyhing.

[glass mortar]

they were simming 0.5% ahead for me

which is gapping for embellishments i guess because they r worth poo/poo

[soft musk]

do you have more sockets on other pieces of gear? and the double jc emeblishment too? when you sim?

but like i said it didnt say how many sockets you needed before it was better. so i figure i ask here

[mighty pivot]

the increase per unique colour gem is a meme amount anyway

[glass mortar]

this is a what 10k damage proc gaining 1% damage per gem

the gems are irrelevant as long as u have one of them

[mighty pivot]

4% with all colours yiiiipieee

[glass mortar]

ud be surprised if it makes a difference, maybe if u have like 10 gems and it was only 0.1% away from another embell

oh wait its per color it maxes at 4%?

oof

ok thats just flavor ya

[mighty pivot]

per unique

[glass mortar]

i did not sim it with many gems tho no

just the two i had on

[soft musk]

the boot embelishment doubles it too

so is it 8% with that and the boots or 4% with the boots doubling jc embelishments too?

[glass mortar]

well doubling it is just basically having two of these embelishments on effectively no?

so it would be like having two of these at 4% each

[soft musk]

but like i said im just asking because the guide says its better. i just dont know at which point would be the point you swap

[glass mortar]

its not doubling the amount the base embel gets from gems

but idk ye i didnt try simming it with the doubler i was comparing my wepaon and an oh weapon embel to boots and then a ring and some other stuffs

[mighty pivot]

double the strength = just double damage no?

[glass mortar]

yes

its just double the damage

[mighty pivot]

in any case the 4% will never make or break the embellishment. If they are that close then choosing one or the other makes virtually 0 difference

[elder sonnet]

question, if i crafted the wep, then boots next week. should i craft the ring this week and remove the embellishment from my current wep (if thats possible)

[gaunt phoenix]

most likely not

weapon embellish is good

For your 3rd craft you have to sim dagger vs ring/neck

or belt or wrists

at this point they are all similar

[elder sonnet]

and craft the 3rd craft without an embellishment?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's just ilvl

[crimson scarab]

For me personally ring was better than dagger as a 3rd craft

I have the POS dagger on hero track so I guess it makes sense

[elder sonnet]

also how does someone remove an embellishment from an item, cant find info on that

[glass mortar]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=248130/lucky-keychain

recraft it with this

[tiny onyx]

@gaunt phoenix I'm sitting at the 40% crit / 25% haste thresholds for diminishing returns would you recommend that I try to optimize my gear to include more versatility at that point?

I am simming myself and I have gear to mix around stats, but it seems like simms is pushing for even more crit past 40%

[gaunt phoenix]

just follow sims

[dark ember]

I hold KIR for stage 3+ instead of stage 2, why am I wrong?

[snow stratus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tropic zephyr]

how do I sim flasks again?

cause i'm at that weird point where it's probably better for me to switch all ench/gems to haste and get crit flask

[harsh quartz]

aoe spec on vanguard or ST with shit cleave?

[pure folio]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?boss=3180&class=Rogue&spec=Outlaw&difficulty=4

@harsh quartz

[sonic pawn]

@gaunt phoenix Eyes of the eagle rank 1 vs rank 2 is the tooltip wrong they both say the same thing ? only difference is the cost of course

[mystic berry]

speaking about eagle, is it 1% extra crit damage, or is it 1% extra crit chance?

[thin fiber]

is eng helm any good for us?

[leaden sonnet]

0.75%/1.25% crit damage

rank1/rank2 respectively

[gaunt phoenix]

the tooltip rounds it to 1 but it's not

[sonic pawn]

fair enough what Eleem has posted makes more sense

[frail veldt]

because you do less damage that way

you can hold for 3 if you like