outlaw

[copper radish]

What’s the boss dmg lookin like

[near rock]

@gaunt phoenix https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kGnJ1w6p3W8aqL2T?fight=last&type=auras&source=22 33 procs over 6.5 mins

seems decent

[gaunt phoenix]

who what where

why

[near rock]

the darkmoon dominion

[tropic zephyr]

this is how I find out that we play prep in keys

[gaunt phoenix]

oh...

[near rock]

a few times 3 procs are up at the same time

640 vers

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[vivid vessel]

ye of course

how are you gonna drop absolute nukes otherwise

i feel like im playing sub rogue sometimes

just roll good

get some procs

press prep

one shot pack

[tropic zephyr]

ye, feels pretty good when procs line up

[timid idol]

and then single target

u get all procs

and still do negative 30k dmg

meanwhile frost mage

[tropic zephyr]

do you often hold for 6 bullet thingy before AR + bte ? or is this just when pressing prep

[gaunt phoenix]

you hodl bte for AR regardlesss of apex or not

if apex is active then cool

but it doesnt change the rule

[olive marten]

our spec is so good

[gaunt phoenix]

Law is raid is just doomed to be gigashit

and they wont do anything cause of M+ performance

[vivid vessel]

do you think outlaw in keys is too good solo

all the rogues are playing sub lol

im sure if outlaw was good people would have noticed

[gaunt phoenix]

no, but i think our overalls are good enough to dodge tuning

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

[thorn parrot]

Im loving my outlaw in keys

[vivid vessel]

buff outlaw

[thorn parrot]

But Solo is right

[copper radish]

If they buffed ST enough in raid for it to be competitive what would the nerf to BF be like 😭

[vivid vessel]

none

outlaw is target capped

and cant do shit on low targetr

maybe its fine we are good at something ye

ty

thanks for agreeing

[daring yoke]

precise cuts when

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel in dungeons how greedy r u with prep

if AR is on like a 50s cd when prep comes up

packs 60% hp

r u sending it

[vivid vessel]

i hold it quite a bit i think

[junior folio]

Being target by anything in crown is so aids for the spec, nothing better than to press Adr and having to be out of range of anything

[glass mortar]

kk thats what i was doing

[vivid vessel]

basically i often try to chain 2 adr

[glass mortar]

feels awful to send it and get like a quarter of an aR

[vivid vessel]

there is exceptions for that ho

like if i go into a pack

1min30/2min adr

i will prep

or idk

i mean i play it by vibes

and im always right

[junior folio]

You guys run prep on m+?

[thorn parrot]

Not a fan

[vivid vessel]

im a fan

[fluid iron]

Nerf outlaw

[long barn]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow bloom]

Make prep an OGCD you cowards!

[vivid vessel]

it really shoud

[slim hare]

remove shroud

give utility

or just like dk dispatch sinister strike 30 yard range

were outlaw we dont foollow rules

why couldnt we just throw our dagger at ennemye

sorry half dagger half sword or whatever

[hollow tartan]

What do you think is better the Silvermoon sneakers with Haste/Verse or Haste/Crit?

[sonic pawn]

sim yourself probably Haste/Crit

[gaunt phoenix]

crit

[grim spear]

Come to think of it, should we hold prep for potions in keys?

[vivid vessel]

no

1min is a shit ton of time

[kindred solstice]

at what % should you start using crit flask over haste? 20%?

[wintry solar]

Need to nerf it more so we all who the real outlaw fans are

[random stirrup]

the st feels really really bad

not sure if im trolling

i do like 25k more st on sub

[vivid vessel]

of outla ?

ye

can be quite low

[random stirrup]

like its troll fast 10s so kill times are short

but even on exact 90s kill time with 1 blades usage its mega sub favored

[junior folio]

My outlaw Sims more than my sin and sub

[vivid vessel]

its wors e on long timers

[random stirrup]

u just have no energy

[vivid vessel]

outlaw just kinda die

after some point

you get to bnosses with legit 0 tea so

::D

[glass mortar]

zac...

we wiped on a 12 seat first boss cause healer got knocked into a pack and insta died.... the boss was at 30% hp

i used all my tea charges zac...

i never had 2 tea again for the rest of the dungeon

so much downtime

[vivid vessel]

gg

[wide coral]

prep should reset tea charges

[craggy barn]

would u pre flurry for paladins or nah

[vivid vessel]

yes

[empty tulip]

do we hold the AR from the Preparation til first wares off?

[glass mortar]

yes

[empty tulip]

k thought so just never checked lmao

[quiet ore]

not enough max hp, where is all my max hp at

[scarlet lagoon]

What does everyone think for my vault pick: Gaze of the Alnseer or tier set Gloves?

[stiff vector]

obv gaze its bis, and trinket selection for agi users outside of raid this tier is cursed af(if you dont like puzzle box)

[scarlet lagoon]

ok thanks. ill go with gaze!

[mystic peak]

are we able to proc Eternal Voidsong Chain

[vivid vessel]

yes

coins proc it

[mystic peak]

oh shit that rocks

[vivid vessel]

yes

[craggy barn]

god paladin is fucking bleh as law

no energy

wtf

[mellow dagger]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[livid smelt]

Is outlaw 4 set supposed to be 5 seconds instead of 8 and they forgot thcange the tooltip? or is it bugged?

[light dune]

Question for the BtE / AR optimization, is there a reason we wouldnt hold at 45 seconds remaining instead of ~30 seconds remaining? To more likely keep BtE buff uptime?

[nova sinew]

quick

does g ravedigger reset above 10

still

[glass mortar]

wdym

[glass mortar]

probably less of a gain

30s is just what simmed the best

[light dune]

Would yyou hold or send at 35 seconds remaining?

[glass mortar]

send

[light dune]

kk

[neon onyx]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[nova sinew]

believe there was a bug where proccing gravedigger at 10 stakcs would reset it to 0

[glass mortar]

oh idk i havent paid close enough attention to it to notice that if its the case

not like thered be much u could do anyway unless u hit 10 stacks delaying for AR i suppose

[vivid vessel]

when you get to 6

there is an internal timer that starts

after i think its 30s

you lose these 6 stacks

[obtuse brook]

I wish trickster was better, KS fun

[nova sinew]

holy man

that is so dogshit on lura

good to know ty

[vivid vessel]

why

[nova sinew]

ideally you just

stack that shit up

for the crystals

[vivid vessel]

why

what crystals

[nova sinew]

big boom

pulling hold on

[vivid vessel]

the add pops?

or im confused

oh you mena

when you said luea

lura

i thoguht about last boss midnight falls

but you are talking about the boss from seat right

i understadn

i mean its definitly possible to stack for it i think

i havent really tried playing around it

like

30s tmier is only for the 6 ones

you can just consume if its about to expire

and then you have bte that reset and at this point you are prolly at 6 stacks again

but im sure you dont need to hold more than 30s

that seems a bit bad

[stiff vector]

beloren another dogshit fight for melee and low targ cleave

[nova sinew]

yeah for add spawn on midnight falls

yeah i was prob worried for nothing

[vivid vessel]

oh you do means the add spawns

eh

i think its legit whatever

[nova sinew]

prob but

damage might be tight

seems so in 30 man h

[vivid vessel]

do you know the timer

i dont remmber

[nova sinew]

nto sure but

adr comes up like

[vivid vessel]

watched the fight from na earlier but

[nova sinew]

right beofre each one it feels like

[vivid vessel]

its these right

i thought there was only 1 pop but apparently its 2

pop at 1 min and pop at 2 min

seems to favor certain archetype of specs ;D

[stiff vector]

lol literally 0 non unholy DK melee dps(barely even a real melee) in the whole raid

[nova sinew]

ok but

[vivid vessel]

no i more meant

[nova sinew]

sub is also crazy on that fight

[vivid vessel]

it line up with cds :D

[nova sinew]

yeah enh is insane

[vivid vessel]

couldnt have it not syunced with cds

[nova sinew]

or ele

whatever our shammy was playing

[eternal hound]

hey guys random question

[glass mortar]

how do u expect raids to do these fights if mechanics dont line up with cds

[cinder relic]

Every ranged DPS is overtuned

[eternal hound]

Sims say I should run dual acuity. Is that good?

[glass mortar]

its the only way

[vivid vessel]

delay certain cds lol ?

[glass mortar]

to complete them

[vivid vessel]

if everything lines up

[glass mortar]

ok but players dont like that???

[vivid vessel]

whats the point

whats the downsides of cds

[glass mortar]

its boring sitting on cds for too long

[vivid vessel]

if everything lines up

[glass mortar]

we dont wanna make bosses unfun for specs now

[vivid vessel]

all the time

[glass mortar]

[eternal hound]

I'mma keep it a buck

[glass mortar]

one day we will get a raid tier where every damage amp and add spawn is spaced like 36 or 52 seconds apart or something

[eternal hound]

Play warrior

[glass mortar]

and itll be glorious

[eternal hound]

and come back and say that

[glass mortar]

all the cd specs can cry

[eternal hound]

And they last like 5 seconds

[glass mortar]

nono being that short still benifits them

[vivid vessel]

wdym

i just think

[glass mortar]

the boss takes increased damage every 52s apart

[eternal hound]

Because warrior desync is awful

[vivid vessel]

when every fight

ok idc

[glass mortar]

this phase lasts 18s

[vivid vessel]

listen

i just think

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

its not fair

to have every fight

line up with cd specs

and then have downtime

during cd downtime

and then have damage amps

that align with cds

like

:D

ok bro

then whats the upside of being a non cd spec

and the downside of being a cd spec

if everything aligns with cds

so it all works perfect

:D

[glass mortar]

games always been designed this way

idk why u think theyd change

majority of the specs in the game are cd specs and for the designers it makes sense when ur making ability timeslines to space them neat multiples of 5s apart no?

[vivid vessel]

@nova sinew in theory you can hold prep till add spawn

[glass mortar]

which means more often then tnot they align with someones cds

[vivid vessel]

i would think that is quite bad tho

[glass mortar]

what r u gunna do

[vivid vessel]

but you wont lose a prep use so

[vivid vessel]

i think you are a cuck weran

a big cuck

[glass mortar]

uhuh

[mystic berry]

guys

how do I pump like zac

[glass mortar]

3m cds used to be worse to try to align tbh

but they changed every1 to be 2m or 1.5m or 45s

so now they are even more flexible

bring back 5 minutes cd that do all these specs damage so they can be stinky more often

😠

[eternal hound]

Better idea

Remove evrey other class from the game but rogue

and tanks and heals

[glass mortar]

i dont think u could kill this raid tier with all rogue dps

we dont do enough cleave

[eternal hound]

Well yeah we'd be buffed to compensate

[nova sinew]

ive had adr up in the shield when im not paying attention

so you can probably just hold anyways

[eternal hound]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dM7SB9Spv9z99PqCAJR1DN Guys genuine question

Is this right? Is my stupid radiant foil messing anything up?

[vivid vessel]

what am i looking at

[eternal hound]

Sim for enchants

[vivid vessel]

ye and

[eternal hound]

I just want to make sure doubble acuity is right

[vivid vessel]

ye it is

why not

[eternal hound]

I just remeber dual enchants being wonky in the past from my experience with fury

And didn't want to spend 40k

if it wasn't

[vivid vessel]

its what we are supposed to play ye

[eternal hound]

Alright

Thanks

[livid smelt]

what should our craft priority be? is wowhead or whatever correct?

[eternal hound]

More or less go with wowhead's ye

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

i didnt get good rng bro

waht do

[eternal hound]

Guidon is probally okay

[vivid vessel]

fuck you !

[eternal hound]

DAMN BRO

[vivid vessel]

its prolly a guidon angle for sub tho idk

i kinda dont want to

hc guidon like

would be mythic sure

hc guidon i can basiclaly just farm academy

and get the same trinket

ye

fuck that

[keen belfry]

kinda cooked

bu imean

chest

no?

[vivid vessel]

shoulders prolly

its 3/6

so

20 mythic save

always good

[keen belfry]

gj

[frail veldt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stiff vector]

my healer friend got myth gaze in his vault, I got dogshit 1st boss trinket in vault gg me

[vivid vessel]

i almost clicked

but no im very smart

[craggy barn]

huge

[stiff vector]

4/1/2026

[craggy barn]

hunter nerfs

[vivid vessel]

hunters nerfs

so funny

[craggy barn]

game is balanced 👍

[stiff vector]

wouldnt be a tier in world of warcraft if there wasnt a hunter spec, a DK spec, a mage spec, and a lock spec in the top performing raid specs

legit just been a repeat of that since like end of DF maybe?

kinda crazy always at least 1 spec of the pure dps classes at the top every tier....except for rogue. Im sure blizzard will notice that trend one day '

[river wing]

myth MH
goooooood
time to craft an OH then

[craggy barn]

rogue isnt allowed to be huge

our last time was when sin kingsbane was giga bugged

and stacked to like 99

the requirements for being good is good haste scaling and PI-able

[jolly geyser]

only usefull thing in vault,myth tier legs

[random stirrup]

big shoulder

u get myth guidon soon surely

just wait for the dks to collect

[reef plinth]

UGh wish they'd make something other than subltety good. I fucking despise that spec.

[dull geyser]

Hey guys.. i missed my weekly last week for spark.. is there any hope of catch up?

[uncut fulcrum]

rogue friends how important is offhand?

[quaint mauve]

i mean you want one

but no where near as important as MH

[river wing]

stat-wise, worst slot

you want a good one, but like it's the last priority outside of having a good MH for other specs

[uncut fulcrum]

hmmm ok

ty

i already have mythic crafted sword but i got a mythic sword in vault.. but also bis mythic ring

[river wing]

ring is probably the better choice, idk
but sim it, that's the answer

[uncut fulcrum]

ok ty appreciate you

[gaunt phoenix]

Offhand craft is not bad cuz the embellishment is good

[uncut fulcrum]

woah the legendary solo ok ty ring seems better ill craft an offhand

[cinder relic]

Hate that guy

[river wing]

it says "spells and abilities"
does that mean it doesn't care about being in the main hand at all? since it's the wording they usually use for stuff that procs independently of the weapon actually striking the target

[gaunt phoenix]

it's an rppm proc yes

[river wing]

cool ty

[dull geyser]

Hey guys.. i missed my weekly last week for spark.. is there any hope of catch up?

[midnight granite]

!addons

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[oak forum]

Hello guys
Someone know if this shit is good or not 😂

[balmy topaz]

It’s a more annoying antenna

I wouldn’t

Also mastery is stinky

[oak forum]

Oh yeah I see

ok Thank you

[balmy topaz]

They don’t come to you like antenna did

You have to go pick them up

[oak forum]

Yeah thats shit ahaha

[river wing]

yes you can just loot a random spark wherever

like any raid boss or M+ run or even weekly chest

[balmy topaz]

BIS helm with socket

[river wing]

gz!

[balmy topaz]

tyty

[midnight granite]

anyone know if you can change the color of the crosshair on wildu

the char crosshair

nvm found it 🙂

[river wing]

got a myth MH outta mine
still gotta replace the helm, the neck and the trinks
time to sim what hero trinks are even gonna compete with crucible

[hardy wigeon]

Haste vers belt for vault was best option

GG

[eternal hound]

FIRST 100K OVERALL IN PIT

[barren plover]

is there anything wrong with Crucible of Eratic? That thing sims better than any Mythic + HC 6/6 trink except Solaprism. Maxed 6/6 Solar is better only by 1.5dmg on every sim scenario.

[eternal hound]

It's simming by default with all buffs applied

and the buffs aren't suppose to apply outside of voidstorm I heard?

[barren plover]

i knew there is something strange

[stoic ore]

does this mean outlaw is the best performing m+ spec?

[wide arch]

The buffs work outside the voidstorm, including the raids

[eternal hound]

And that's intended?

[haughty wigeon]

probably not

its been reported

[wide arch]

The description changes if it's working or not, its something about activating the console ifrc. And that description shows it working like everywhere. You can check logs with people running it in raid and it's got really high uptime

Blizzard's been bugfixing it, they even nerfed it a little bit on this reset. Im pretty sure its intended

[eternal hound]

Oh so they just

made it overly strong? I mean idk I replaced mine already

[barren plover]

i am no sure if i can replace it

[eternal hound]

Sims said to replace mine with a myth warbanner

[barren plover]

i get shittiest trinket from vault (voidstalker), but i guess, its myth so i will pick it over Crucible

[wide arch]

If your sims said to replace it then that's probably the right choice. It's just really strong, might not stay that way forever

[stable sigil]

If I killed first 2 mythic bosses, should i loot spec for subtlety so I can get the vorasius dagger(even though it got mastery) when opening my vault? Or does it not matter? It's not in outlaw loot pool accoring to in game raid journal

[midnight ridge]

damn, thats a tough call

i have 246 oh currently

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[eternal hound]

That is a very nice OH

[keen belfry]

that ring tho

[eternal hound]

Is that the crit haste one?

[midnight ridge]

ye, i have both dogshit ilvl oh and rings

yup

heavy crit

[balmy topaz]

What have you crafted so far

[eternal hound]

I have it on hero track its so good

[midnight ridge]

myth sword

[keen belfry]

craft a dagger cuh

id take that ring me thinks

[midnight ridge]

i cant...

according to sims

[balmy topaz]

Take the dagger

100%

[midnight ridge]

changing dagger from 246 to 272 is 0,3% upgrade

like wtf

[wide arch]

If you already have a myth sword, there isn't much reason to stay in outlaw spec imo

[midnight ridge]

ring isnt even simmed as upgrade xd

[tiny onyx]

That dagger is BiS

you shouldnt be comparing it as 272, you should upgrade it to max myth which i think is like 289? & slap an enchant on it

[reef plinth]

So, is the Iris bad now? Should we be running arcanoweave on both pieces of gear?

[wintry solar]

The trick to not being kicked from a pug group is to have the personality that makes up the lack of damage

[static crescent]

trick is to slam the damage meters in a pug

or if its a raid, pretend your having lag

[wintry solar]

doesnt your ilvl go down in TW raids?

wtf >:(

[static crescent]

oh ye is there like a weekly for heroic piece sort of scenario in this xpac too

[arctic hollow]

What sim should i use to get close to the raid conditions ?

[balmy topaz]

Where do you get the quest

for Tw raid

[arctic hollow]

Probably next week with dungeone event

[arctic hollow]

Leftmost guy at the weekly quest givers

[static crescent]

Ah ye, think ive skipped those so far

[static crescent]

is the reward normal or heroic gear

[balmy topaz]

That one?

Normal

[arctic hollow]

Normal chest

[static crescent]

oke fuck that shit then

[jolly geyser]

the quest is in cata area

for hero

[static crescent]

but guess the raid can drop heroic ilvl

[balmy topaz]

which area

Mount hyjal?

[jolly geyser]

cata portals

[balmy topaz]

Ohh in stormwind/org?

[jolly geyser]

ya

[static crescent]

oh

[unique fulcrum]

soo, do i just craft 3rd item or is it better to safe the crests

[jolly geyser]

do 2 quests in one swing

[balmy topaz]

ez

[wintry solar]

I wish I did that

[static crescent]

Well, atleast theres a shit ton of stuff to do this week again

[arctic hollow]

Ah, the Fireland raid drops champ gear but killing the last boss gives one HM items from the Fireland raid

wopps miss answered

[static crescent]

Ye, quest you get near the portals gives normal too i guess?

or is that the HM item reward

[wintry solar]

I was expecting a lot worse

[arctic hollow]

This is the one with HM reward

[jolly geyser]

ye

[wintry solar]

HM?

[jolly geyser]

you absolutely ass blast the raid,so do the normal quest also. might get something fun

[wintry solar]

the raid I just left had a rag skip

so I went in, killed it, got my piece

I forgot my stuff was scaled down

[unique fulcrum]

where do i find a group for the timewalking raid

in lfg tool?

[wintry solar]

yeah

legacy

[jolly geyser]

legacy

[balmy topaz]

GG

[frail veldt]

Rip

[wintry solar]

oof

I wonder what some of the better pieces of the raid are

[junior coral]

did they mess with the coding or what ever with tricks at all?

[jolly geyser]

rings and necks had nice stats, they champ track thou

[junior coral]

so weird that when i open on a pack i eat a hit some times, dont remember it like that before

[frail veldt]

I've heard some reports of the threat randomly dropping off tanks

Like they had in tww

Also remember we don't have perma tricks

[jolly geyser]

matrix stabalizer has the random stat proc,so eh

[wintry solar]

man I sure do wish I could look in the guide for the raid and see the ilvl of all the drops

[jolly geyser]

aye

[wintry solar]

lot of crit haste one handers

wierd

lot of crit haste in that raid in general

[junior coral]

whats yall IOs so far?

is there a way to see what top 1% is?

[daring yoke]

not liking how squishy we are now compared to prev xpax 😭

[quaint mauve]

like 3400 rn

[wintry solar]

what addon can tell me what my health is via playerframe?

[foggy cove]

abt to craft myth spellbreaker blade its darkmoon sigil void + crit/haste missive right

[true dust]

Is the 4 set bonus a good boost compared to other specs or minor?

[arctic hollow]

scaling on the Firelands trinket isnt bad apparently.
All of them are champion here

It could drop HM track too

[balmy topaz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tanc5snRwzWfDev5d3sR6G

Big sim

[sage bronze]

That is a big sim

[junior coral]

found it on raiderio website, season title rating cutoffs. actually pretty cool info you can see. 3057 is top 1%

30 more IO and im there, pretty dope

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel Where vault

[quaint mauve]

oh woops

thought u meant .1%

[quaint mauve]

he posted it

a bit a go

[balmy topaz]

O ye rip

[crimson scarab]

Why craft dagger instead of rings out of curiosity 👀

[quartz magnet]

would it be cooked to craft dagger offhand as 3rd craft? it sims a 2% dps increase

[crimson scarab]

I was thinking of doing a ring

[wintry solar]

is it me or is Valeera much better than Bran?

[static crescent]

ye was thinking about off hand craft too, but feels kinda bad to cook myself out of vault weapon drop chance

or devalue it

probably not logical but

il probs just craft ring, take embelishment out of MH and put it into the ring and call it a day

[cinder relic]

Way better

[wintry solar]

I didnt know if it was the delves or what but she's been cleaning house

[vapid salmon]

She does tons of damage even as healer 🥵

The problem is she pull entire rooms

[muted crest]

thats what im thinking about but atm...has only champ offheand feels so bad

[tropic zephyr]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tZWYm6sVHNbEUBBcKGYHAY

I should actually open my vault as sin right?

looks like recrafting my MH with no embellish, ring craft + prism, and krick 289 is best possible outcome

[crimson scarab]

Im opening it as sub in order to have a chance to get the dagger from POS

[tropic zephyr]

yeah i'm sniping that too

anyways

[quaint mauve]

did yall see the upcoming buffs?

what we think

[static crescent]

I think the 8% ST buff is sounding solid

blade flurry nerf questionable but it is what it is

[quaint mauve]

the 2nd AR charge is gonna feel great

glad they finally listened

[river wing]

huh
myth-level darkmoon void trink sims very well for me if I remove embellishments from the boots

[unkempt dew]

What buffs?

[low atlas]

Hello, is there a bleed build for timewalk speedrun

[balmy topaz]

The only decent dagger is from vault

slim chance of happening

289 dagger from raid 2nd boss sims less than 285 dagger

with good stats

[crimson scarab]

which rings do u hope running then?

[junior coral]

are there any M+ that drop 2 differnt helms haha?

i need a hero helm bad

[agile quiver]

real ones or april fools?

[river wing]

today is not the day to trust random info

[static crescent]

Maybe OH craft would be valid then

[agile quiver]

I got jebaited by the 12.0.9 because it was still 10pm on mar 31 for me

[north sapphire]

Guys, what do you think about Outlaw overall? I've been really frustrated with it, so I rerolled to MM Hunter just so I'm not a burden in my raid and M+ static. Am I in the minority with this way of thinking?

[river wing]

nah
I'll play Rogue till the day I quit this game
and I'll whine all the way unless/until it's good, but I ain't gonna switch

[timid portal]

greatest class of all time top dps class no need for buffs

[static crescent]

But ive upgraded my OH to 6/6 Hero so kinds illegal to craft OH

[quaint mauve]

april fools!!!!

[river wing]

ok redid my sims
darkmoon void trinket sims really well, only outdone by solarflare+heart of wind combo (without including anything from raid because I won't get a myth trink from raid lmao)

might have to craft one smh

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[crimson scarab]

I think it really depends on what ur looking to do, so far im having a lot of fun with outlaw in M+ in the range of 10-14 and im almosst always top DPSing it, raidwise its not the best but if u can play the spec u can do quite decent

i think its def playable and enjoyable if u play the spec well

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel echoe ahead already lololol

[woeful tulip]

Do you have two embellishments already? Raidbots says that the darkmoon deck trinkets count as an embellishment so that probably makes those trinkets a bit worse

[proven ocean]

Echo won rwf confirmed

✅

[sage bronze]

Who's got a good outlaw rogue rotation guide video?

[crimson scarab]

chech the outlaw FAQ there are descriptions and explanations there but no video, its a good starting point

[sage bronze]

yeah specifically a video haha

I struggle a bit with text

[crimson scarab]

ah i understand, i dont know of any videos tho

sorry

[river wing]

aha I forgot the embel on one pair of boots lmao
yeah okay

[woeful tulip]

Yeah if the trinkets count as an embellishment I'm pretty sure theyre all kinda bad

[gray summit]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[river wing]

not bad per se, but slightly worse than normal trinks with embel boots/belt/bracers

so no point to it then

[woeful tulip]

Ye exactly

[river wing]

good, can invest my Inscription points into getting closer to gold Vant runes

[vapid salmon]

Do you sim both in dslice and st when looking for upgrades?

[vapid salmon]

I have so many doubts that when I'm top dps in m+ (rarely) the only explanation I can give myself is that the others are terrible lol

[dawn rampart]

hello, did they remove the ability that tped you around while you attacked?

[crimson scarab]

if ur referring to killing spree, it got reworked and now its a final node in the outlaw tree

[river wing]

mostly dslice because it kind of includes ST anyway, but tests for all profiles anyway

[dawn rampart]

I see now it's more boring

[river wing]

it's more playable
tuned like shit tho

[unkempt dew]

Would be nice if it was not traget capped

[final pagoda]

Is sub actually a beast in m+?

[earnest sphinx]

If your tank pulls around you

[final pagoda]

Or those stats for m+ are just ragebaiting me?

[river wing]

well, not a beast, but seemingly better/easier to be good with than the other two

class tuning overall is pretty bad atm, but sub is performing the best right now

[quick quail]

any worthy loot from firelands this time or not worth?

[burnt grail]

Hi guys, do we know if rogue is going to be updated in wow analyser?

[unkempt dew]

I want to give sub rogue a try when i geared up my outlaw

[mighty pivot]

outlaw hasn't been maintained in a while there. The last time there was some work on it was on 11.1 and that was unexpected

[burnt grail]

bugger. Would be handy just to see if i am not missing something silly

Is there any other tools similar?

[blissful idol]

Liquid closed streams yesterday before pulling

[proven ocean]

ye echo wouldn't do that

liquid always afraid of losing

cuz of contractfrom liquid

[hazy temple]

Socket situation?

[static crescent]

Heart?

[fiery timber]

Puzzle box and go sub

[hazy temple]

Never I refuse

[fiery timber]

Take heart then

[still matrix]

Is it worth if you crafted 1h mainhand wep. To open vault as sub for dagger chance myth track?

[fiery timber]

Ofc

[unkempt dew]

Should i change a champion piece into a tier piece?

I only have 2 set atm

2 hero tho

Im not so fast as some of you guys sadly

[inland acorn]

If you get 4set you can drop infinite catalyst

So yes it's worth it

Because you can then farm hero tracks + cata charges

[light kernel]

what to get?

i dont mythic raid

[jolly geyser]

got 4set etc?

[shy sandal]

so is 25% haste a must?

[light kernel]

got 4set hero

266 all

[jolly geyser]

just throw that stuff in the raidbots ig

[light kernel]

tbf im looking more long term

is this trinket even good

ik this is bis neck

and shoulders are catalyst anyways

[thorn parrot]

you can float at 20% and used flasks to get where you need to be, 25% is just a good stopping point

[balmy topaz]

Ring is nice tbf

[balmy topaz]

That neck is nice

[light kernel]

ik r

[tired rune]

I’d prob go neck

[arctic hollow]

It'd balance between neck and trinket then. It's easier to get a bis set piece because any shoulder is bis once catalysed. Depend if you can hope for trinket in myth raid. Myth raid necklece is pretty early in the raid while trinkets are faaaar away

[hazy temple]

its hero

[light kernel]

i wont be mythic raiding maybe this dreamrift boss i see ppl are easily killing it

so i would prolly rock with gaze/solarflame?

i just do m+

[arctic hollow]

I agree with the others then, neck is pretty nice

[light kernel]

should i max upgrade it, or craft 1 more item 285 ? with spark

[bright lodge]

Thoughts?

[light kernel]

wait do we get to craft 3rd item this w?

[jolly geyser]

aye

[light kernel]

i crafted weapons whats 3rd craft ?

[static crescent]

I crafted MH+boots, now i will craft ring for vault protection, very nice for that

so if you get a nice ring from vault ur not cucked

[light kernel]

ive got hero crit haste both

rings

pos nexus ones

[static crescent]

yeah, thats just matter of grind to have the bis pieces

assuming you grinded everything, ring is nice

or you plan to grind it all

[light kernel]

i grinded all hero gear to perfection

[static crescent]

also our bis embelishments are arcanoweave+ring embelishment thingie

probably by a ridiciliosly small margin

[light kernel]

i went for 2x weap emblemishments

[static crescent]

my reasoning is if i craft lets say cloak, that might cuck me in vault

ring cannot

[light kernel]

true

[fair ore]

Just to make sure 40% crit is necessary or unnecessary?

[static crescent]

Isnt 25% haste and 40% crit kinda rough to get in s1

[still matrix]

Close discord till buffs?

[unkempt smelt]

Myth chest or trinket?

[hoary wave]

its a ring!

nvm

[static crescent]

Has anyone played trickster in higher keys, whats the feel?

[radiant kelp]

any suggestion guys?

[polar kelp]

lower dps, target swapping sucks, another janky to use button....but 1hr tricks Is nice

[hoary wave]

Guys do you know any addon that removes that toast thing that keeps popping up mid screen ?

[polar kelp]

Toast thing?

[hoary wave]

yeah when you start a key it says the name of the dungeon

[light kernel]

still missing 5% crit 😛

[polar kelp]

No idea what your talking about ....making it's an add-on causing it

[hoary wave]

like this

[polar kelp]

Yea I've never seen that

[quick ridge]

I don’t know an addon, but you can right click most popups to remove them

[balmy topaz]

Naa

I am close to it atm

I have 25% haste and 36% crit

271

[arctic hollow]

replace lowest between shoulders and chest and catalyse

[blissful idol]

STACKED VAULT

[waxen scarab]

but all garbage

i think i take wrist and catalyst it

[obsidian light]

setting loot pref to sub/assa just gives a dagger instead right?

[blissful idol]

ye

[river wing]

actually does anyone know
what happens if you open your vault then change your loot spec? I would presume nothing changes, but idk

[formal knot]

doesn't do anything

[jolly geyser]

it eats all your gear and explodes

[sinful dagger]

Are trinkets simming right?

272 ilvl Solaflare Trinket makes absolutly no Damage Boost against Crucible + Withered Saptors Paw bouth 259 ilvl.

Im confused...

[plain loom]

Nothing changes, once you open your vault on one loot spec it stays as is

[inland acorn]

Depends on what you're simming for maybe ?

[river wing]

welp might as well as set the loot spec to assa for the entire season now
got my MH anyway

[inland acorn]

Like I've simmed mythic ooze vs hc gaze and gaze smoked ooze in aoe

And was on par in ST

[sinful dagger]

Dungeon slice and Patch bouth minimal 1-2 % difference..

[inland acorn]

I mean crucible is quite strong especially if you have the 3 upgrades for it

idk about the other trinket

[unique pulsar]

Hi! Can u guys help me with something? About alleria trinket, we just use it on cd ?

[inland acorn]

yes

[inland acorn]

can you link sim

[sinful dagger]

The other one give me tempo, maybe is because i will dropp below 20% if i change it?

[inland acorn]

ye i mean if you drop below 20% haste, the sim will go crazy to get that haste back

[sinful dagger]

Yeah

[inland acorn]

maybe you can try simming with haste flask, if you're not running it

[unique pulsar]

Thanks for the help!

[knotty moss]

bleh had to take 272 head piece from vault. should i catalyst it to tier? I know its not a bis slot for tier but otherwise ill go this week w/o tier bonus

[quaint mauve]

would u get 4 piece for catalyzing something?

[knotty moss]

yeah just realized i do

i thought i was 1 short

just gonna keep the head piece as is then

couldve bunked all 3/3 272s, so guess i cant be too mad 🙂 got boots, wep and head piece lol

[rugged nova]

Hi hi. Leveled and then got swamped with work. How is outlaw right now? Seems like it isn’t played much. I usually get 3k and play semi casual.

[placid ocean]

Buns

No utility, no damage, and nobody at blizzard is even looking at us

[ebon nimbus]

my seasonal question: we still dont use ambush? 😄

[proven ocean]

Guys

+3 yard range acrobatic strikes is back !!!

@vivid vessel

!!!!!!!!

!!!

@glass mortar !

New patch note

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel I talked to saeldur and Aug is on the menu again

Breath id a 50s to 1m cd but doesn't hyper amp cd specs as much anymore

He said as long as u scale with primary Aug is good now

Do with this what u will

[heavy shadow]

Is the Midnight Falls ring any good? I guess not, the effect isn't really dps related. Or is the whooping amount of haste nice enough?

[proven ocean]

AR now has 2 charges

[quaint mauve]

NO WAYYY!!!!!!

[proven ocean]

!!!

April fools

[quaint mauve]

i already made the joke

ur late

[proven ocean]

Im zeross tho

[balmy topaz]

Hi Zeross

[proven ocean]

Hi tuby

[balmy topaz]

[glass shard]

https://tenor.com/view/alert-cat-alerta-cat-alert-gif-11223598312455772722

[quaint mauve]

who?

[vivid vessel]

who

[ember fractal]

guys can i use Spellbreaker's Blade (crafted) and also crafted dagger ?

[proven ocean]

who

Oh

U asked me first

But who is the guy ur whoing at

Cuz idk who

So, who? @vivid vessel

Or which who

[heavy shadow]

Yo, I didn't craft anything yet. I was lucky and got HC weap from delve. I assume first spark best spent making myth weap?

[grizzled heath]

alo, which embellisment is better for wep? void or hunt?

[lucid sparrow]

wtf was that

cursed message

https://tenor.com/view/cat-clapping-smiling-smile-discord-low-quality-gif-15425543342186254065

[heavy shadow]

FAQ says Darkmoon Sigil: Hunt or Void, but it's weird as I haven't seen one crafted weapon with this

[river wing]

what did they use instead then

[near rock]

What? Lots of people use that embellishment

[vivid vessel]

how do normal wow players enjoy wow

genuily asking

outdoor content is always unplayable

laggy

i dont get it

[empty tulip]

i dont understand the brains of people that like that content lol

[near rock]

Some people just like to chill

[empty tulip]

ya for sure but there are like

[near rock]

Not looking for anything competitive

[empty tulip]

good RPGs

for that

world content in wow is like

less engaging than flash games

imo

maybe harsh lol

[sullen walrus]

boys, what's name of addon, add + on your character

?

[proven ocean]

?

Fps or what

[vivid vessel]

no

it feels like 500k ms

i think thats any zone wiht world boss

[proven ocean]

Ye servers are ass

[vivid vessel]

but like

its cringe

[proven ocean]

Idk most game servers that arent fps are dying

No idea why tho

Osrs servers have been rly bad too lately

[peak isle]

Zac are you still streaming / doing outlaw things

[vivid vessel]

ye i have been streaming again now since the start of the season

[shell fossil]

i dropped a the shadowblades several times today on crown cause of the input delay

idk it's been happening more than occasionally since launch

something is weird about spell queue imo

[edgy owl]

Hi, quick question when should I use prep in raid?

[karmic stag]

Rogue mentioned in April Fools patch notes? We are so back

[spring stream]

Hey uuuh, just got this from the TW raid thing....I dont really understand why cause its from a completely unrelated raid but it looks pretty decent

[zinc briar]

@vivid vessel what did u craft?

Dagger?

[vivid vessel]

nothing yet

[mint ether]

it's the abundance event, it's been completely tanking any zone it's in since launch

[vivid vessel]

will craft after relcear today prolly

if no dagger i craft dagger

[mint ether]

because, for some unknown reason, blizzard still allows people to do it in raid

[vivid vessel]

and then an off piece for 2nd embel

[vivid vessel]

make sense

i dont get why you arent zoned out

into an instance

same for world boss btw

been an issue forever

and they still cant just zone people out

[mint ether]

maybe they want to avoid load screen, but it's dumb

[zinc briar]

Are u going to raid as outlaw?

[vivid vessel]

i mean ye but then they just have zones completly dead

[vivid vessel]

not real bosses no

altough im thinking about it on the end boss of midnight thingy

[zinc briar]

Drakes?

[vivid vessel]

cause its 100% uptime so idk

will have to see how ahead is sub in pure st

[vivid vessel]

i did as outalw ye

and im doing paladin boss as outalw

[still matrix]

So you craft, boot, ring and dagger if no dagger drop?

Hmm

[vivid vessel]

idk

just one 2 craft

i wont do 3 prolly

[balmy topaz]

Hi Zac

[still matrix]

I've got mainhand wep and boots. Tempted to do dagger if I dont get dagger when I open vault. Because think I might want to play sub sometimes.

[balmy topaz]

[vivid vessel]

you just need 2 embel

[thorny mural]

omg zeross

[still matrix]

If not ill do ring as 3rd craft perhaps unless vorasius drops ring

[thorny mural]

my king hello

glad you still play

[still matrix]

Actually I lie

[keen belfry]

do you guys think echo keeps their rogue in all prog

[still matrix]

I crafted mainhand wep and boots.

[balmy topaz]

No

[vivid vessel]

i think on the last 2 bosses ye

[thorny mural]

what race are you guys on rn

[balmy topaz]

We are useless

[keen belfry]

hes doing no dmg

[still matrix]

We are useless?

[balmy topaz]

Yes

[still matrix]

Isn't sub damage good

[balmy topaz]

We are

Cosmetic

[still matrix]

Sub is bad?

[thorny mural]

i’ve been dwarf since df but i just found out dwarf rogue is one of the least popular rogue combos

[still matrix]

Rip

[keen belfry]

yu think this

[still matrix]

Buff rogues

[thorny mural]

is everyone trolling or am i

[thorny mural]

pls

[still matrix]

Idek

We need to close server for buff

[balmy topaz]

I’m race changing to dwarf soon

It’s op

[thorny mural]

i mean can i just choose when to use my teas

[balmy topaz]

For m+

[vivid vessel]

iuts just st

i think rogue st isnt as bad as you would remove the raid buff

[thorny mural]

i’m getting obliterated in st

aoe still okay

[glass shard]

if i have crafted mainhand i just camp assa lootspec for dagger rolls right?

[thorny mural]

for like 60 seconds

[glass shard]

makes sense to me but maybe im low iq

[still matrix]

Outlaw st isn't that bad on like vorasius

Uptime isn't bad

[still matrix]

Ye

[glass shard]

swag thanks

[vivid vessel]

how many are you supposed to have this week

[keen belfry]

i see

makes sense

[vivid vessel]

on alt rats

[still matrix]

But i cba play sub so crafted mainhand and boots. Will hold 3rd craft

[balmy topaz]

April fools question or?

[vivid vessel]

no

[balmy topaz]

You randomly get them

[vivid vessel]

no

[balmy topaz]

They are rng drop

[rancid silo]

2

[vivid vessel]

on alt without 4p bro

[still matrix]

Are there any items we can catalyst for good stats like back or wrist?

[rancid silo]

2

[balmy topaz]

O

2

[vivid vessel]

and with aotc achiev?

still 2 ?

[rancid silo]

3

[balmy topaz]

3

[vivid vessel]

hm

ok

how do i get the third this week

[rancid silo]

$$$

[still matrix]

Dont you craft 4 set

Then you get them free?

[balmy topaz]

Zacro getting 4set???

[arctic hollow]

Once you have 4p you drop them

[vivid vessel]

bro

[rancid silo]

LFR

and buy it

[vivid vessel]

dont answer when you guys are clueless noobs

!

[balmy topaz]

Ask monksea to boost

[vivid vessel]

no i mean

im supposed to have 3 charges this week

[rancid silo]

yes

[vivid vessel]

where does the charge this week drop

[balmy topaz]

Ye

[thorn parrot]

Keep doing things

[vivid vessel]

i did the delve weekly

i expected to drop fomr that chest thing

but it didnt

[balmy topaz]

I’ll be honest

I actually have no fuckin clue

I just see it

Use

Done

[rancid silo]

2 from cata, 1 from 2k?

[balmy topaz]

I don’t have alts

So

[vivid vessel]

i mean ok but i only have 2

and i have 2k

or whatever

[rancid silo]

Did you do the World quest thing

[vivid vessel]

aotc

[rancid silo]

From that one guy

[vivid vessel]

whats that

[rancid silo]

In the middle of silvermoon

[jolly geyser]

The quest where you choose what to do

[rancid silo]

actually i think he only drops a spark

[vivid vessel]

ye i chose delves

ye

i got a spark

byut no catalyst

[thorny mural]

rogues in hell and this the shit blizz is typing up

i hate april fools

[jolly geyser]

Why,good day so far

[rancid silo]

Did you click the thing in your bags?

[thorn parrot]

Zac I’ll try and find the catalyst write up they did explaining it

[vivid vessel]

ye the chest

hm

[rancid silo]

no not the chest

the actual Cata charge

[vivid vessel]

idk prolly i have nothing in bag

[rancid silo]

for 2k you get an actual item that you use that gives you a charge

[vivid vessel]

i prolly did last week ye

idk i think im supposed to do something thi sweek for it

[rancid silo]

shit man idk then

I just got 4p on my alt aswell

[rancid silo]

but I just had 3 all i did was the weekly

[vivid vessel]

i was wondering if it was this thing but idk

[thorn parrot]

Yeah this is all I found thug

Not very helpful tbh

[vivid vessel]

well im confused

i guess alt is bricked gg i wont log in again !

[arctic hollow]

I'm pretty sure i just logged off yesterday with 1 charge and logged in this morning and had 2 charges

[vivid vessel]

deleting

[vivid vessel]

ok well

that seems impossible to me

this char did aotc last week so idk

or

[spring stream]

was hitting the dummies for 10 minutes and didnt get a single proc... shame it looked really good for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

ah maybe its march only that gives the charge this tier

and you need 2k m+ then

fuuck

[buoyant cosmos]

March / pvp / keys

[vivid vessel]

yeee

fuck this bro

not logging onto this guy

cuck character

[buoyant cosmos]

They like to watch anyways

Let it live it's best life

[jolly geyser]

[buoyant cosmos]

I hate that in some server this is used unironically

[jolly geyser]

Its from streamers server, people bullying him is his schtick

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry tbf

seems like its 2 min timers

that boss

and he is playing sub

[balmy topaz]

He’s getting benched

[vivid vessel]

i havent really looked at hte boss yet but

[balmy topaz]

It’s gg

[keen belfry]

u think assa play

[vivid vessel]

it might be assa boss

i mean its a 2 min phase damage amp i think idk

he is holding cds for it

eh i guess its like

i think its variable phasing