Thoughts?
#outlaw
balmy topaz
Zac calls me tuby
keen belfry
interesting
proven ocean
Im confident yuby is way better than gnawa
keen belfry
frail veldt
@keen belfry looking at just dslice sim our stdev if 8.55% compared to 4.8% in st
btw
our aoe stdev is pretty high
keen belfry
thats big holy
proven ocean
@keen belfry if i come back will u dps race me when ptr comes out?
frail veldt
cuz cdr on those two abilities
proven ocean
I’ll be on 300 ping
frail veldt
is just so big
keen belfry
<@177964030474977281> if i come back will u dps race me when ptr comes out?
sure!
balmy topaz
@proven ocean
proven ocean
Why did u run away last time tho
balmy topaz
Our last race
proven ocean
When i asked
balmy topaz
Was S3 DF
keen belfry
Why did u run away last time tho
u think i do ptr keys
balmy topaz
proven ocean
Our last race
Link
hasty warren
when 3 outlaw key with Zac Zeross and Ruby ?
balmy topaz
when 3 outlaw key with Zac Zeross and Ruby ?
Would go hard actually
hasty warren
Would go hard actually
u're just scared of losing
keen belfry
like 610 or something?
proven ocean
keen belfry
and it wa slong pull
balmy topaz
HOLY
jolly geyser
how long ago was df
balmy topaz
Remember this ruby
This goes hard
keen belfry
i love playing io keys early in season cause absolute noobs are doing keys too, like uncapped specs doing 0 dmg on first pull age
alge
hasty warren
even me was better
vivid vessel
@keen belfry
balmy topaz
I still got this too
This is crazy
balmy topaz
jolly geyser
oh a spam
gloomy coral
!ban @civic zephyr
proven ocean
Another hacked account
desert tendon
mrbeast must be an outlaw enjoyer
vivid vessel
bro if i had procced ace on that pull ..
im sure outlaw cna reach a milli
i just wanna see it
bit more gear
desert tendon
i ll ask for outlaw nerfs
proven ocean
Ty
keen belfry
https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/MistyPlainCheddarArsonNoSexy-i-...
so many BTE resets! (joke)
hasty warren
I still got this too
boosting of just realy bad ?
vivid vessel
so many BTE resets! (joke)
imagine tho
imagine if i had chained ace bro ..
1 mill no cap
proven ocean
boosting of just realy bad ?
Ngl looks like wcl bug
proven ocean
U cannot score 0 if u do any dps
desert tendon
buby just bad like that
proven ocean
And the numbers arent low
keen belfry
so many BTE resets! (joke)
@glass mortar @frail veldt 730k no bte resets!
hasty warren
Ngl looks like wcl bug
it was ruby ?
keen belfry
zac what do u think ur dmg woul dbethat pull if u pressed rtb 3 times and kir 2 buff
keen belfry
like 400?
proven ocean
it was ruby ?
Ye ofc
vivid vessel
nah rolling a jackpot on first roll and kiring it
and then just spaming bf br
is def
the highest
keen belfry
mhm
frail veldt
so if we have LD from bubble
and youre running prep
is it worth to just roll over a stage 2 buff
proven ocean
Zac
proven ocean
Do u like outlaw or
frail veldt
right?
keen belfry
u press rtb on cd
frail veldt
yeah figured
frail veldt
rtb on cd with kir up if you have LD
keen belfry
yes
frail veldt
ez
keen belfry
u can press rtb 3 times on opner pll and still kir a 2 buff
vivid vessel
is it worth to just roll over a stage 2 buff
if kir ready you roll wiht ld anywya
keen belfry
but its ur bte resets controlling ur dmg w bro
frail veldt
if kir ready you roll wiht ld anywya
yeah but im saying to hold kir for after you adr
to roll again
hasty warren
make sense
vivid vessel
u can press rtb 3 times on opner pll and still kir a 2 buff
this shit gives me depression bro
frail veldt
makes sense
proven ocean
Zac
vivid vessel
i was even thinking last time
proven ocean
U donkey
proven ocean
frail veldt
would you kir a stage 2 after your first adr
vivid vessel
but thats prolly cooked
frail veldt
or would you hold kir for after 2nd adr
vivid vessel
would you kir a stage 2 after your first adr
no bro tf
proven ocean
Ngl
vivid vessel
i hold till i spent all my loaded
proven ocean
I’d love to play outlaw again
frail veldt
makes sense yeah
proven ocean
I loved cooking things that werent cooked before
proven ocean
Master Chef Zeross 
vivid vessel
can sim it in your head if you want
frail veldt
yeah it seems better
vivid vessel
i did the math rn
frail veldt
theres kind of a lot of feelscraft stuff rn
vivid vessel
just thinking about it very hard
jolly geyser
zeross is playing crimson desert?
proven ocean
I wonder if ur head cooks better now zac
proven ocean
proven ocean
zeross is playing crimson desert?
No
proven ocean
zeross is playing crimson desert?
I follow shroud to see what games he plays and whatever he plays i dont
vivid vessel
you just have to bf before I guess
press snd
bf into pack
unless pack is shit and not stacked
then bf pre poack is fine
proven ocean
Cuz he only plays heavily advertised games
frail veldt
bf into pack
yeah but like first pack for example
frail veldt
so snd in bubble
proven ocean
And good games dont need advertisement
vivid vessel
yes
frail veldt
hate it
jolly geyser
wonder if Shroud is playing retail off stream
proven ocean
Idk how arcraiders sparked up so high bad game imo
keen belfry
i forgot how huge a QOL change would be if bte applied snd again
would be massive
i really hate pressing dispatch onopener
frail veldt
thats only in raid though tbh
vivid vessel
staring at adr
its one finisher who cares
proven ocean
wonder if Shroud is playing retail off stream
Idk legit any game that gets heavily advertised he plays it and makes it seem like game of the year
vivid vessel
i think the sim pre bf or smth idk what it does
proven ocean
0 real feedback
vivid vessel
idc tho
frail veldt
yeah it does p sure
jolly geyser
aye, "this game is crazy"
proven ocean
aye, "this game is crazy"
Ye with the 200% bass boosted mic
vivid vessel
oh wait i pre bf in bubble
proven ocean
Make it sound authentic
frail veldt
oh wait i pre bf in bubble
why
desert tendon
very noobs
vivid vessel
no wonder you dont do 730k first pack
proven ocean
Best games idk i think you’ll find them from caseoh
frail veldt
like as early as possible but not so early that aura drops
frail veldt
yeah okay thats what I was doing
proven ocean
Bro gets 50k+ viewers
desert tendon
not bulsing a 12h snd before df launch i bet
frail veldt
bf before first pull
proven ocean
And plays the best games only
frail veldt
but what do you do later on in the key
vivid vessel
only one i dont atm is skyreach i think
vivid vessel
but what do you do later on in the key
i just vibe bro
prsss button
press all the buttons bro
frail veldt
ive been bfing on the pack
vivid vessel
do big dam
frail veldt
for the bf dam
vivid vessel
thats what i do
frail veldt
ive been playing with such shit gear I have no idea if im even doing well
frail veldt
17% haste
arctic hollow
i really hate pressing dispatch onopener
Hey, three seasons ago SnD was our opener, beware the monkey paw
frail veldt
just you wait
til I have gear
I didnt even have embel
and using no consumes
0 tier
playing naked
lavish shoal
gear aint gonna save you from what god cant do
keen belfry
@vivid vessel i had no clue u pressed bf in bubble on certain dungeons
lavish shoal
gonna need to pay hopefulx for an account share boost
keen belfry
makes sense tho
lavish shoal
maybe he can parse for you
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> i had no clue u pressed bf in bubble on certain dungeons
ye thats cause you are baed
lavish shoal
liquid mage who got banned during last rwf cause he piloted Instant Dollars mage account to help them kill the last boss
keen belfry
ye thats cause you are baed
big lie
vivid vessel
thats the difff between us lil blud
red zinc
heroic last boss looks not normally
lavish shoal
bnurst
proven ocean
bnurst
keen belfry
idk what my highes tburst is zac
lavish shoal
<@352916297262301194> i had no clue u pressed bf in bubble on certain dungeons
bf in bubble?
wtf u saying lilbro
keen belfry
yes
frail veldt
dekai youre lost
keen belfry
bf in bubble
frail veldt
go home
proven ocean
idk what my highes tburst is zac
Probably 100k if i had to guess
keen belfry
110
proven ocean
U guys need to play better if u want to do good dps
And not just aim for the chest at the end of the key
lethal oak
I BF before teleporting to the dungeon
proven ocean
Always think of ways to improve ur dps
If u dont then thats where u can call urself hard stuck
jolly geyser
its not that serious
red zinc
zeross the greatest mind of our time?
shell fossil
red zinc
an iq too high?
proven ocean
I always wondered if my iq is too high or too low it has to be one of the two but i dont understand why i do alot better in games than others
glass mortar
zeross giving advice on wow like
proven ocean
Might be cuz i play all the time idk
proven ocean
zeross giving advice on wow like
??
frail veldt
I always wondered if my iq is too high or too low it has to be one of the two bu...
lower than you think, higher than others think
desert tendon
LOL
desert tendon
i think zero you starded with a really high iq
glass mortar
its a compliment
red zinc
glass mortar
|| i think ||
desert tendon
but you lost 1 point every 6 redbull cans
proven ocean
its a compliment
I refuse to believe
vivid vessel
study the zeross way
proven ocean
Last time i said ty for calling me dense
red zinc
i study the zeross way so i can do the exact opposite
frail veldt
who thought that
proven ocean
i study the zeross way so i can do the exact opposite
Based
Wait what
U mean me timmy wtf
I misread weran
proven ocean
study the zeross way
glass mortar
proven ocean
Zeross the Mastermind
red zinc
im lookin at this midnight falls boss on heroic
so much shit going on
mythic gonna be purple vomit simulator
glass mortar
cats
proven ocean
I mean
desert tendon
cat
glass mortar
!!
desert tendon
never eat at mcdonalds
glass mortar
we have spoken
desert tendon
place sucks
proven ocean
Kfc or mcdonalds*
jolly geyser
neither
red zinc
never eat at mcdonalds
#ad
proven ocean
They’re delicious ngl
desert tendon
instead of kfc yep
proven ocean
Like
desert tendon
but i m not sure
red zinc
i know twinjamin
proven ocean
Cats look and sound good
Cows dont look and dont sound good
Does it make sense now
proven ocean
I mean they only eat grass tho
lavish shoal
They need to either revert this haste shit or make rogue gcd scale with haste man
frail veldt
They need to either revert this haste shit or make rogue gcd scale with haste ma...
we do
during adr
lavish shoal
Every other class in game feels better the more haste you have
lavish shoal
having hopes for outlaw is the start of the dooming process
Bro I’m already playing sub
frail veldt
the best way to play outlaw is to set your expectations extremely low
desert tendon
The best way to play outlaw is to unsub to wow in tww s2 and never come back
thoughts mewo?
desert tendon
i was even a mage enjoyer before
in tww i hated every mage specs
they had nothing for them
lavish shoal
why is bte a dmg increase that stacks instead of the 20% crit it used to be
its literally just worse
desert tendon
they were boring over producing ressources kek
one of thebest changes they made to bte is making it a buff instead of a debuff
oh and crackshot
well the best changes were when realz was popping in here and taking feedback
lavish shoal
one of thebest changes they made to bte is making it a buff instead of a debuff
yeah but now it stacks infinitely which is giga dumb
not only does it just do more damage than dispatch
but it gives you a buff so valuable that you would press it over dispatch anyways
make it make sense man
glass mortar
its just more damage variance
glass mortar
because they reduced the variance in the basic rotation ig
but they wanted the profile to keep its variance
desert tendon
and make the gameplay be pistol shot > bte only
glass mortar
so they added these random background buffs
20% crit BtE was removed to help make crit a good stat for us
i agree its only worse but also it doesnt really impact ur gameplay, just ur details printout so
lavish shoal
20% crit BtE was removed to help make crit a good stat for us
but 20% crit bte makes crit a better stat
lol
lavish shoal
i agree its only worse but also it doesnt really impact ur gameplay, just ur det...
i mean it makes the design space really tight for current outlaw, u will always press bte over dispatch
desert tendon
i just wish we were all about vers crit, loved having 63% versa back in the df days
😔
lavish shoal
and theres nothing interesting
lavish shoal
i just wish we were all about vers crit, loved having 63% versa back in the df d...
frfr
glass mortar
but 20% crit bte makes crit a better stat
what
20% crit chance devalues crit
its a secondary with a hardcap
it was always a decent part of why crit was weak for us
placid ocean
Outlaw rogue having to manage multiple buffs, energy, and combo points, just to achieve mediocre dps.
Meanwhile MM hunter doesn't even have to look at their focus bar and tops charts.
glass mortar
now removing how early we crit cap on BtE did a larger part of that (changing the RtB crit chance)
20% increased crit damage would increase crit chances value
wide arch
I'm at 18% haste and sims want me to drop more haste, has something changed?
glass mortar
link the sims
but u probably have it using a haste flask or something which is getting it to the haste it needs to be at
at 18% haste haste flask puts u at what? 22%?
mystic berry
Outlaw rogue having to manage multiple buffs, energy, and combo points, just to ...
There are easy and hard specs
It just so happens that there is no effort-reward
placid ocean
Yeah, there should be
mystic berry
blizzard dont like that shit
glass mortar
u dont get to do more dps for choosing the harder spec
soft abyss
Why should there be ?
mystic berry
Our reward is actually having fun pressing buttons
soft abyss
the point is to have all specs around same numbers and play what you like
glass mortar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bwPxhM4zYb94Rjm4JgYvj5
which part is it dropping haste
u have so many combos changing in this sim
frail veldt
the point is to have all specs around same numbers and play what you like
if thats the point then theyre doing a bad job lol
glass mortar
who does a better job
soft abyss
I mean we can argue about this
glass mortar
sure
soft abyss
but surely the point is not to have harder specs dominate dmg
glass mortar
some seasons they r off the mark by more then others i agree
this season balance seems particularly shitty compared to some previous
frail veldt
but surely the point is not to have harder specs dominate dmg
I mean they indirectly do this
cuz they balance around logs
not peak possible performance
so they inherently buff harder specs more to some extent
mystic berry
Im doing shit ass dps, ngl, I should be doing way more at 267, I think im gonna post a video later to see if anyone can give me pointers
placid ocean
Classes that are locked to dps and have little utility should do good damage.
frail veldt
cuz the output of those specs is lower from their potential
they dont balance around peak possible output
or top parses
they balance around some average probably around 80th percentile
soft abyss
so they inherently buff harder specs more to some extent
not really , cause in the past due to outlaw being way harder it had only people that were good at the spec
frail veldt
so theyre balancing around the skill level of a player
which means inherently they adjust based on difficulty
indirectly
keen belfry
idk what to craft im bored
proven ocean
@vivid vessel echo gonna lose before eu can even play 
glass mortar
Classes that are locked to dps and have little utility should do good damage.
this is true
class has 3 specs tho, so that isnt the most promising thing for outlaw
wide arch
which part is it dropping haste
I'm beyond dumb, I thought it was telling me to drop the wedding band. It wants me to drop the crit vers ring... ignore me
glass mortar
id say they generally do a pretty good job of making sure pure DPS specs have at least 1 spec thats "strong" tho
this season they have not
rogue performance is very questionable for sure
soft abyss
yeah also fight design is not helping at all
glass mortar
definitly not
whoever the rogue guy was this expac... they didnt want us to do low target cleave for whatever reason
the rogue changes nerf all our low target cleave and by not a small amount
random stirrup
whoever the rogue guy was this expac... they didnt want us to do low target clea...
i cannot speak
big trouble
keen belfry
target capped spec being bad at low cleave
random stirrup
incomprehensible change especially with fight design
keen belfry
mystic berry
bit of a shame to do that on a season where low target cleave seems so relevant
they killed precise cuts because they knew
glass mortar
for sub and sin you could sell me on it
making outlaw suck on 2/3t tho
im with ryldd
mystic berry
We would clear the floor
random stirrup
mfw i see devourer and mm and other specs gaining 50-110% from a 2nd target but my good old melee cleave specs like sub gain a huge 15%
im sure this will reflect well
glass mortar
i wonder how much outlaw even gains
since theres a real price to maintaining BF now
god forbid the boss has enough aoe u went deft ofr other parts of the fight
random stirrup
when i simmed 2 target for dragons i think like 20%
something like that maybe 25%
ofc that's while taking actual aoe talents so you're already saccing some st
wintry solar
these TW fuckin me up ngl
old gull
myth solarflare prism
carmine mountain
!fuu
tiny onyx
got this from timewalking this week
cobalt token
fathom bramble
i wonder how much outlaw even gains
Yeah it is around ~20%
Barely more than what sub gains really
glass mortar
which is hilarious
fathom bramble
And nothing compared to the real cleave specs
glass mortar
considering with a jackpot roll last expac as trickter u were doing like
200% damage on 2t
100% i guess
fathom bramble
Yeah
glass mortar
BFing for 113% damage while doing full damage with ghostly up on the other guy
good stuff
fathom bramble
BF opportunity cost in low target cleave is very high now
on top of the much lower transmissioin %
proven ocean
Hi zac
old gull
so third craft is ring eh
fathom bramble
a decent vault
third craft can be ring/boots/helm/dagger depending on what your first 2 were
and depending on gear you actually have access to
wintry solar
imagine
vivid vessel
a decent vault
GEGE
cinder relic
a decent vault
Bro this is literally my best vault tier by far and I get to enjoy it on the bench
wintry solar
Restless Blades nerfed by 20%
vivid vessel
im getting it aswell lok
cinder relic
wha da heck
vivid vessel
Bro this is literally my best vault tier by far and I get to enjoy it on the ben...
dude
guy
lura
is an outlaw boss
midnight dude
dw abouit it
i seen it
100% uptime
0 downtime
surely its our time
wintry solar
Midnight is saving WoW rn, this is part of the process
vivid vessel
i havent heard of a damage amp yet
there is no nuke add phases that line up with cds
timid portal
surely its our time
fathom bramble
im getting it aswell lok
100%
lavish shoal
its a secondary with a hardcap
u dont reach 100%
sorry just getting to this now but
glass mortar
uh i mean we did
fathom bramble
some of our skills do right now in bis gear
glass mortar
when BtE gave 20% crit chance BtE itself would cap out at like 20% crit on gear because the RtB buff gave it 60% crit chance
fathom bramble
some of our skills sometimes do*
glass mortar
this was why crit started to devalue very quickly
especially as we got increases to uptime on all RtB rolls
fathom bramble
you capped at 0% crit on gear as trickster btw
glass mortar
yea it was silly
fathom bramble
5% base, 5% agi class, 10% trickster, 20% bte, 60% RTB
fathom bramble
back then yeah pretty much
crit was well below vers and haste was only above vers to the cap
lavish shoal
tbf crackshot and bte doing the most damage is just not good imo but hey
glass mortar
my point anyway was a flat damage amp is probably better design then a flat secondary that only devalued getting more of it
lavish shoal
is what it is
glass mortar
but the rng stacking damage amps that ironfur of new bte isnt better
keen belfry
third craft can be ring/boots/helm/dagger depending on what your first 2 were
imo its either ring or helm, first boss helm sucks ass, no good rings KINDA
glass mortar
but also this only impacts ur details variance not ur gameplay variance
lavish shoal
my point anyway was a flat damage amp is probably better design then a flat seco...
i mean flat dmg amp is so boring
crit actually like has flavor
glass mortar
so was 20% crit
i dont really agree 20% crit has more flavor then 8% damage
they are both equally boring in my eyes
fathom bramble
damage amp and crit have the same flavor to me
lavish shoal
rtb and crit had flavor
glass mortar
neither impact our gameplay at all
fathom bramble
imo its either ring or helm, first boss helm sucks ass, no good rings KINDA
yeah no good helms in raid functionally, but there are also no crit/haste boots in the entire tier
keen belfry
oh yeah boots good too
fathom bramble
so it kind of comes down to what you already own imo
glass mortar
i mean rtb 1 improves your base gameplay singificantly but not enough to fully function. Im of the opinion thats on purpose but u can feel how u wanna
keen belfry
im either crafting helm or boots this week me thinks
glass mortar
rtb 2 changes gameplay rules again and makes the spec feel playable
cinder relic
surely its our time
glass mortar
rtb 3 doesnt change rules but it changes the texture of the rotation because all ur cds come back quicker
fathom bramble
helm is somewhat likely from vault to get a decent one though
glass mortar
it feels strong
fathom bramble
since there are 2 in keys
glass mortar
and RtB 4 is just a boring 10% crit
lavish shoal
this is W
lavish shoal
rtb 2 changes gameplay rules again and makes the spec feel playable
reroll on 1 keep 2+ is boring imo but it is what it is
vivid vessel
bro
fathom bramble
also the damage that the free 20% crit did was mitigatable
fathom bramble
they almost made the right call on it too
vivid vessel
im pretty sure all phasing is time based
fathom bramble
when it was briefly crit chance AND critical strike damage on the alpha
vivid vessel
no dps stop
100% uptime
no add to explode
bro ..
its our boss
i swear
outlaw boss
lavish shoal
rogue benched yet again
vivid vessel
wait nvm sub does 10% more st than outlaw
lavish shoal
hate to see it
vivid vessel
lavish shoal
vivid vessel
can someone tell me why sub got buffed to do more st than outlaw
glass mortar
?
lavish shoal
rank 1 vorasius boss dmg outlaw is
glass mortar
we got buffed by 4% and they got buffed by 3%
lavish shoal
rank 74 rogue
glass mortar
didnt u read the notes
lavish shoal
💀
vivid vessel
we got buffed by 4% and they got buffed by 3%
they had a 14% tier set coming
glass mortar
guy was so right about zac guys.....
glass mortar
they literally buffed us by 25% more then sub
this is good tho
u gotta give me credit
vivid vessel
true
vivid vessel
rank 1 vorasius boss dmg outlaw is
ok but check mythic lil goop
rare rapids
!fuu
radiant kelp
well thats not true tho
when we get to see outlaw on top
idk im tired of this situation
glass mortar
oooo is it out?
jolly geyser
ye
late hazel
vivid vessel
@cinder relic
glass mortar
ok but w/e that was fine as long as shes not gunna be a massive part of the story again
vivid vessel
ty for the content bro
cinder relic
<@96834520417828864>
LOLOL
vivid vessel
cinder relic
Bro wowtwitter might be too dumb for me I'm getting too rage baited
vivid vessel
next wedge
i think i might finally switch off rogue
i was waiting for tuning to make that choice
ts sucks i hate new outlaw
new RTB is BORRRRRRRRRRRRRING
time to play devourer
frail veldt
Bro wowtwitter might be too dumb for me I'm getting too rage baited
is it worse than this discord?
cinder relic
Yes
glass mortar
damn thats a high bar to beat too
glass mortar
we arent trying hard enough mewo
frail veldt
Ive got competition
glass mortar
frail veldt
gotta dial it up
desert tendon
@vivid vessel automatic french translation is gold
rare rapids
Hey y'all - Just to clarify, are we just using double wep embellishments this patch?
desert tendon
i m laughing real hard, i didnt know twitter had auto translation. Guy you sound good in french just so you know 
gaunt phoenix
Yes
next wedge
lmfaooo
radiant kelp
@vivid vessel just checked your wcraftlogs
what's the situation?
we play sub out?
or how is it exactly
vivid vessel
uh idk
im playing outlaw on paladin
then sub on alleria
and idk abotu the 2 new bosses
im assuming sub
just cause it does more st
for no reason
obtuse brook
Is the play to catalyze whatever you have, even if its champ track shit, in order to get 4pc, and then farm out charges elsewhere for future gear? or do we hold the charges for the week until we get hero+?
random stirrup
you drop a lot of cata charges depending on your luck with 4p
get it asap
i have gotten 11!
near rock
finna cook
jolly geyser
Blizzard: releases a raid called march on april 1st 
keen belfry
finna cook
does it freaking eff?
near rock
we'll find out tn in raid
frail veldt
i have gotten 11!
11 charges??????
dark fractal
im playing outlaw on paladin
which talents bro?
keen belfry
near rock
daring yoke
any downside making ur vault set to assa as an outlaw?
lime lake
only difference is daggers drop instead of swords
daring yoke
oh just that? thanks
brave fossil
Oh, that's cute Bliz
dark fractal
oh just that? thanks
yea
brave fossil
Anyone know if the twilight ring proc is worth it?
patent mirage
when buffs
near rock
does it freaking eff?
Seems to proc more often based on my limited testing
Usually 3 stacks at once every minute or so, total of 4 procs a minute at least
brave fossil
Yeah, give or take some fractional percentage value <insert nerd here> is gonna correct me about
sour vault
question, when ace procs, do we still try to build cps or just send bte until it stops proccing?
lucid sparrow
rogue got a buff to one of its cards in hearthstone
surely that translates to wow
sour vault
So at 6+ cp
thanks
frail veldt
Crit cap is 40%
There is no crit cap
At least not this season
bte no longer gives crit chance and ruthless precision buff is gone
so we dont have as many crit chance boosters
timid portal
boots cool
keen belfry
i like boots
timid portal
there are no good boots to begin with
tiny onyx
I read the pinned message, how many of you guys are dropping the talent for the 5% stamina?
timid portal
probably everyone
timid portal
should i get the trinket or tier pants?
do you have 4set?
carmine seal
not yet
carmine seal
gotcha
late hill
Did anyone craft 285 dagger for off-hand?
unique fulcrum
imma do it tomorrow
keen belfry
bro has 5 ilvls on me
prisma lantern
I imagine mythic item in vault + mythic 3rd craft + maybe upgrading low slots + maybe sending crests.
Actually tbh at 276 likely definitely sent crests.
upbeat wigeon
!up
ornate heathBOT
near rock
ye p much all that
timid portal
pray for tomorrow vault
unique fulcrum
ye p much all that
what did u craft?
near rock
darkmoon dominion
unique fulcrum
is that actually good
near rock
was one of the best things I could craft already even without the enhanced effect (from having the matching sigil) being in simc
so made it to test as well
serene urchin
was one of the best things I could craft already even without the enhanced effec...
for some reason i cant sim those trinkets. is it cuz i have the darkmoon effects on my weapons?
lavish shoal
and if u are is it a swap for 1pt summarily?
uneven charm
@lavish shoal that's what I did
lavish shoal
cant tell if its actually good
near rock
for some reason i cant sim those trinkets. is it cuz i have the darkmoon effects...
you can sim the dominion itself, but the part here is not implemented in simc so theres no data on it
outer meteor
for someone that crafted ring last week is the play oh now?
near rock
plug em all in top gear at 285 (if you're using myth crests) and see what it says
near rock
is there also a darkmoon trinket for the other effect
there is yes
but I wouldn't craft until we have the full data
trail cape
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
unique fulcrum
you can sim the dominion itself, but the part here is not implemented in simc so...
how much is it augmented, do we know
real yew
what raid sim you guys are using?
unique fulcrum
but I wouldn't craft until we have the full data
immma craft offhand next
outer meteor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5KBdjh65PiLpMgegRZ9UMo ig im crafting oh
unique fulcrum
can i remove the embelishment i have on my other craft?
outer meteor
gotta recraft without it i think
silver venture
is our tier even good? i cant tell
fathom bramble
it is about par
obviously it gets compared to subs tier a lot which is just an out of line tierset, but our ~5% tierset is pretty normal when you look at other classes
silver venture
can i remove the embelishment i have on my other craft?
have to recraft it with an optional crafting reagent that removes it
fathom bramble
it's better in aoe than ST though
so the often quoted ~5% number that can be found in the Fuu sheet is lower than the gain you'll see in keys
silver venture
i see i see, ty ❤️
keen belfry
are u playing prep in keys
mhm
unique fulcrum
if i recraft an item i dont have to use any crests , right?
eternal hound
if i recraft an item i dont have to use any crests , right?
No
unique fulcrum
ty
eternal hound
Recraft bug should be fized
keen belfry
and if u are is it a swap for 1pt summarily?
mhm
unique fulcrum
and if i want to remove the embellishment i use the keychain, right
keen belfry
ive decided im going to play 26% haste
@gaunt phoenix u gonna try and stop me?
royal cave
whats the haste % we want so that we can comfortably take Thief’s verse instead of Flickering Steel
Hate running out of energy 
fathom bramble
flickering steel provides a much less meaningful amount of energy than you might expect
just being above 21% can push you to drop it
errant terrace
are you guys gettting a double BtE sometimes?
proven ocean
ive decided im going to play 26% haste
just dont gaslight people into running the wrong stats and ur fine
glass mortar
are you guys gettting a double BtE sometimes?
with 2 ace u have a low chance for it to happen
keen belfry
just dont gaslight people into running the wrong stats and ur fine
its just in ur head
glass mortar
without it the only way it can happen is with gravedigger
errant terrace
with 2 ace u have a low chance for it to happen
hmm I have 1 ace
proven ocean
@vivid vessel i want liquid to win to see what echo does in the future lol
errant terrace
unless you mean procs?
glass mortar
im not sure entirely what ur asking
proven ocean
i wonder if they'll be forced to go to NA or potentially gquit
glass mortar
i assumed you meant getting double BtE as in you get to cast them back to back
without building
errant terrace
i assumed you meant getting double BtE as in you get to cast them back to back
nah, I got a clip coming
in a m+ rn tho
looks like I hit BtE twice
the last set
saw it earlier in the dungeon
proven ocean
nope
glass mortar
what are u asking exactly
proven ocean
that bte before last didnt hit btw
proven ocean
whats the bte buff
is it guaranteed
to get u a buff
cuz when u hit it there in that gcd u didnt get a buff
errant terrace
guarentted to get 1 yeah
proven ocean
ye then uprob lagged there
as u can see one of the bte's in between u didnt get a buff
so
sterile dune
I wanna change class
errant terrace
gotcha ty
glass mortar
BtE can give 1 or 2 stacks of the buff
proven ocean
np, also i dont play outlaw so no idea
errant terrace
BtE can give 1 or 2 stacks of the buff
45% chance ye
sterile dune
Imagine playing another class that has less apm and more dmg than u
glass mortar
wouldnt surprise me of when it procs to give an additional buff u get an extra tumbleweed
sterile dune
Why even play rogue?
glass mortar
knotty moss
I dont understand the m+ bubble AR + SnD. The guide says you do that and once you reach 1st pack you cast AR again. Wouldnt it be on CD at 1st pack?
glass mortar
meh
ur supposed to AR before the key is activated
it resets
then u have full combo points in the bubble
u SnD in the bubble
then u can AR again at the pack
quaint mauve
@keen belfry rogue is bis
thorny mural
wow our energy is fucking chalked wtf
i mean genuinely i have 0 teas and 0 energy by the time i make it to any boss in any dungeon
keen belfry
champion culb
glass mortar
zac...
my vaults so good zac...
me when i ignore this sim and take the belt for stamina
proven ocean
i mean genuinely i have 0 teas and 0 energy by the time i make it to any boss in...
D
welcome
upbeat wigeon
!up
ornate heathBOT
shy meteor
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
shy meteor
which add-ons are u using for cp´s ? I feel like mine are bit clunky
glass mortar
wangbar
shy meteor
kk ty
midnight granite
Where buffs
narrow pasture
no
quick ridge
Has anyone had much experience with Kroluk's Warbanner? Vault is between that or mythic plus leech chest. Leaning chest
copper radish
find 10 lost animals for 20 hero crests too ez
novel birch
Just spent fifteen minutes applying to every +10 key I can find. Not one person accepted
This class is a god damn joke xD
old gull
1 button class
fluid iron
candid abyss
blade flurry op
glass mortar
puuuuumpin
mighty pivot
insane!
tropic zephyr
that's the no bf spec i've heard about?
daring yoke
guys this delve trinket gives Hope. is this good for outlaw?
novel birch
This video is real as fk https://youtu.be/Qpdx_Z_ZbtI?si=QmH7ayUF-33KKDfk
carmine seal
so how much damage does the 4 set give you?
glass mortar
4set is 3%
carmine seal
that sounds terrible is that the same for all the other specs as well your did they just deside to fuck over outlaw and ass rogue
glass mortar
it varies
WW have a tier set worth like 1.5% dps or something (2+4)
subs tier set is like 14% and its among the higher ones iirc if not the highest
everyone else is somewhere along the spectrum
it is what it is
carmine seal
Also why the fuck does the t set revolve around blade rush. wtf was the devs thinking
glass mortar
s1 tier sets r usually supposed to be pretty boring
we would be playing BR regardless so
cinder relic
Also why the fuck does the t set revolve around blade rush. wtf was the devs thi...
What's wrong with that exactly?
thorny ice
Tbh i really enjoy pressing br - it finally feels kinda impactful
hollow bloom
Kinda feels wimpy to me. If it had a bigger burst, it’d feel better, or a better sound effect.
wooden pilot
12.0.5 the game is saved???
glass mortar
the damage numbers dont really matter to me i just want the animation
wooden pilot
12.0.5 the game is saved???
Can choose sheathing on back
glass mortar
oh thats pretty sick
outer meteor
kinda blasting now with tier
haughty wigeon
12.0.5 the game is saved???
uniroincally
biggest rogue buff
in history of rogue
glass mortar
what do u mean something
wait
why would... you need zacs ui
that doesnt seem like it would help in resident evil
desert tendon
i wanna check something in coding
glass mortar
ah of course of course my mistake
desert tendon
it's not to play this game trust me
glass mortar
.
desert tendon
ty sir
glass mortar
🏄
copper radish
12.0.5 the game is saved???
Wonder if this means we could also make any sword back sheathe 👀
timid idol
kinda blasting now with tier
now show single target
prisma heron
About to head home. Do we have enough charges for 2 items now?
prisma heron
Yo those swords are dope where do they come from?
limpid isle
they come from shadowlands. i wish the appearances tab showed where stuff came from. some are from rares and etc
frail veldt
About to head home. Do we have enough charges for 2 items now?
2 charges baseline, 1 available from achieve
buoyant cosmos
they come from shadowlands. i wish the appearances tab showed where stuff came f...
The illusion makes them look a lot bigger for some reason
quiet ore
they come from shadowlands. i wish the appearances tab showed where stuff came f...
it does say for ones you don't own
limpid isle
true. i forget about that.
vivid vessel
https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/GloriousBlightedOysterNinjaGrumpy-2jdJ7_Uqac5ww-mD @keen belfry
new peak bro
peep this one
absolute nuke dropped