or is it the next next reset
#outlaw
junior coral
arctic hollow
You will get your 6th spark today or tomorow yes
river wing
I wonder what stats I should craft my dagger with, if I plan to occasionally try other spec with it as a MH
mastery is poopoo on 'law, but great on Sub and decent on Assa, but what about crit/haste?
mystic berry
We craft dagger this week?
river wing
I figure ring would be better but I'm gonna craft a dagger for overall swap potential, I ran like 15 m+ and had not only 0 dagger drops (trying assa loot spec), but also 0 1h drops to at least upgrade my champ dagger for free
mystic berry
If vault gives me dagger I would probably go for ring
vivid bluff
hi got a question do i send finisher on 6 cp or use ss to get 7th cp
ornate vault
hello here. we know how many % we win with 2p? and with 4p?
ornate vault
hi got a question do i send finisher on 6 cp or use ss to get 7th cp
bte 6+. dispatch 5+. (as fatebound)
gaunt phoenix
hello here. we know how many % we win with 2p? and with 4p?
its about 1.5% -> 3% so 4.5 total
On st
ornate vault
its about 1.5% -> 3% so 4.5 total
oh good. thx
hasty warren
river wing
If vault gives me dagger I would probably go for ring
but can vault give you dagger if you set lootspec to outlaw? like you'd have to choose between dagger or MH, no?
cobalt sail
God damn.. If blizzard would uncap outlaw rogue we would be as good as UDK
mystic berry
but can vault give you dagger if you set lootspec to outlaw? like you'd have to ...
I already have crafted MH so I have no reason to have OL loot spec
river wing
but what if you got a myth MH, that's 4 ilvls ;)
hasty warren
but can vault give you dagger if you set lootspec to outlaw? like you'd have to ...
no dagger in outlaw spec
river wing
no dagger in outlaw spec
that's the thing
hasty warren
like fury can't loot 2H wep
cobalt sail
no dagger in outlaw spec
What about opening your vault with sub spec chosen
cobalt sail
Yep ik
hasty warren
What about opening your vault with sub spec chosen
u can get a dagger but no MH
same for sin spec
cobalt sail
river wing
ngl weapon classes these days are like
a downside only
UNLESS you're a DH and have a unique weapon class that is 1) only for you 2) has multi main stat because why not
legit fucking hate DHs
and blizzard is obligated to put at least one into every raid tier and one into an M+ season
could've just made warglaives swords, but no, they had to go and fuck everything up because MUH HERUH CLASS
somehow DKs didn't get RUNEBLADES as a separate weapon class
I wonder why
mystic berry
Member when azzinoth were swords
lavish siren
like the original warglaives of azzinoth
mystic berry
Good times
mystic berry
Should have been a rogue spec 
river wing
I mean, yeah, that is an option I guess
esp seeing as DHs don't really have enough material to be more than one spec
even Veng/Havoc was a convoluted split that shared like 70% of abilities anyway, it's like a reverse vanilla Feral problem
Devourer was invented wholesale from basically nothing
I'd honestly take DH (DPS) as Rogue spec and DH (tank) as Warlock spec, call it Felsworn like in the RPG
then again what am I expecting from a game that released Evoker and pretended like anyone needed that
mystic berry
Evoker was wild
The fact that its still locked to dracthyr to this day even more so
But the entire class is ? just play a mage mf
aug was a neat idea tho
river wing
and it was made by one guy who left immediately after release and then nobody knew how it functioned
tight kernel
and it was made by one guy who left immediately after release and then nobody kn...
Going to fact check you brb
river wing
Going to fact check you brb
just saying what I heard about aug
tight kernel
Loool W gullible
We should most definitely believe everything we see online !!! Misinformation so good !!
river wing
Loool W gullible
but do you have proof to the opposite?
quiet root
and it was made by one guy who left immediately after release and then nobody kn...
i will choose to believe this, just for fun
tight kernel
but do you have proof to the opposite?
True !! Your statement must be correct
knotty moss
do you guys spam your buttons during GCD or just press once depending on what action you want to take?
glass mortar
spam
river wing
slam
knotty moss
thanks
mystic berry
I give myself rsi
knotty moss
i already have tendinitis in my thumb
xd
ill start spammin my buttons then with the risk of occasionally doing an incorret maneuver
mystic berry
I wish I could use the press and hold but there seems to be a small delay
wintry solar
legit wish DHs never existed
This extends to the pvp world
glass mortar
outlaw is a difficult spec because of the speed of execution
playing more slowly and not always having a spell go off on the gcd will lead to damage loss thats likely as big as occasionally pressing the wrong button
you gotta do both (hit the right buttons, hit them fast) to pull outlaw off
fair topaz
do our poisons interact with our energy or are they dmg only?
glass mortar
damage only
fast fossil
Can someone give me a simplified explanation of when to use stacked pistol shot to gen over ss?
My current understanding is basically use it at 6 stacks
But I know that’s not the whole story
And obviously try not to overcap cp or opp stacks
gaunt phoenix
if at 6 stacks, use over ss always
if at 3 stacks, use over ss if between 1-3 cps
that's it, except there is an optimization as fatebound to ss at 1cp specifically even though you have 3 stacks
fast fossil
if at 6 stacks, use over ss always
if at 3 stacks, use over ss if between 1-3 cp...
Is there logic for the 2nd point? Or is it just math
The 3 stack point
gaunt phoenix
it helps prevent overcapping cps
if you are at 4cps and press pistol shot you will overcap always
and if you are at 3 stacks you can afford to skip it
so might as well
but at 6 stacks you cant skip it or you might overcap the stack itself
fast fossil
Skip what, sry
gaunt phoenix
skip it as in, choosing not to pistol shot
fast fossil
Oh ok
Why would you skip it though if you don’t overcap? Does it not do more dmg per gcd than ss?
gaunt phoenix
you dont lose anything cause the pistol shot stacks still exist and will still be consumed at some point
you will consume them at a better moment
as long as you dont overcap the stacks, you lose nothing
fast fossil
Oh ok I see
So basically if you’re just sitting on 3 for a while bc ss rng or your rtb buffs have been good, that’s normal?
fast fossil
So I should be thinking of the procs more as backup rather than “this procced I want press it asap”
The way many other procs are
gaunt phoenix
yes because it's essentially a proc with charges
at 6 stacks you press it asap
at 3 stacks you are allowed to be flexible with it to consume it where it is most efficient
fast fossil
And the charges are basically 3+1 right
Bullets
That confused me for a little lol
3 additional bullets, so 4 cp per press always
gaunt phoenix
it's 2 additional bullets, the combo points are technically 2 + 1 + 1
tho that's not important information, just that it gives 4 cps
fast fossil
Understood
Also, I would always run through at 5 but always bte at 6 right
6+
er dispatch
mighty pivot
run through is back
glass mortar
dispatch at 5+ (as fatebound), BtE or any other finisher at 6+ yes
fast fossil
Would fate ever take it
balmy topaz
Never ever
Also the way it does dmg
Is omega troll
Rather than attacking your target
It attacks random targets
placid ocean
It'd be cool if outlaw got redesigned as a mid range spec and our reliance on autos was just removed entirely. We're already basically half way there
balmy topaz
It'd be cool if outlaw got redesigned as a mid range spec and our reliance on au...
Ye naa I’m okay
You say we’re half way there
gaunt rover
no but we should have our extra range back, I miss it every day
balmy topaz
We’re not like unholy dk or ret
We can’t effectively use 50% of our rotation at range
placid ocean
Acrobatic strikes being changed to garbage was such a miss
placid ocean
We can’t effectively use 50% of our rotation at range
You do know what "half way" means, right?
Because you just said no, then said we can't use half of our rotation at range
placid ocean
But nothing
glass mortar
we do not work as a spec from a range
for a few gcds at most sometimes
ironically enough we were far closer to a midrange spec with crackshot
go into a crackshot window with 6 FtH stacks and you could easily pull the full thing off from 30 yards away with just a little good rng
glass mortar
now if they wanted to give outlaw the survival treatment
placid ocean
Reading comprehension is zero rb
narrow pasture
now if they wanted to give outlaw the survival treatment
give us a pet
glass mortar
and give us say, a 1m cd that makes all our attacks pistol attacks for 15s
balmy topaz
But you didn’t understand
glass mortar
id be game for that
balmy topaz
And you obviously don’t understand how the specs plays
surreal latch
Oh for some reason I thought Zac was talking to himself
placid ocean
And you obviously don’t understand how the specs plays
Did you miss the part where I said "outlaw should be redesigned as a mid range spec"?
Because like, that clearly points out I'm aware we don't work as a mid range spec. But we're half way here, because literally half of our rotational abilities can be used at range.
Anyway, I'm sorry for having ideas. I'll see myself out.
balmy topaz
Did you miss the part where I said "outlaw should be ***redesigned*** as a mid r...
But your point saying we’re half way there because we have 2 spells which can be used at range
Like I don’t get it
Because we have 2 pistol shot abilities you think we’re half way
placid ocean
You're hyperfixating on one aspect my guy
balmy topaz
You can have your own opinion on reworks
Wanting something because it’s your preference is fine
red zinc
yo ruby stop yapping
lime lake
no it isnt
lime lake
if your opinion doesnt match mine its wrong
glass mortar
outlaw is not a midrange spec
balmy topaz
But saying it’s “basically half way” because of 2 gun abilities is wrong I’d say
red zinc
rework ouwlaw to crossdressing spec 🔥
balmy topaz
outlaw is not a midrange spec
He’s not saying it is
He’s just saying he’d like it to be
glass mortar
id love a pistol gunner spec
balmy topaz
if your opinion doesnt match mine its wrong
TRUEEEE
glass mortar
id be worried it would overlap too much with outlaw tho
and also, it wouldnt be outlaw
balmy topaz
GUNSLINGER
lime lake
i mean yeah it couldnt exist at the same time as outlaw
balmy topaz
Gunslinger outlaw would be a cool concept
lime lake
but it could exist as something that isnt outlaw
maybe just make it diablo dh instead of pistols
hand crossbows op
random stirrup
outlaw being ranged would give it a niche advantage over the other rogue specs without changing its damage profile
glass mortar
i mean it could exist as the same time as outlaw i just dont see them doing it
like they made evoker
random stirrup
or playstyle
balmy topaz
outlaw being ranged would give it a niche advantage over the other rogue specs w...
Have you played lost ark
lime lake
i mean it wont exist bc it would be pistol rogue spec next to outlaw, the pistol rogue spec
balmy topaz
Just make it gunslinger
random stirrup
very briefly on launch
lime lake
so it would either have to be outlaw or not exist
balmy topaz
Pistols shotgun and sniper
lavish siren
" an outlaw is often considered a type of
gunslinger, but the terms are not synonymous. A gunslinger (or gunfighter) is defined by their reputation for being dangerous with a firearm and their participation in shootouts "
balmy topaz
And we swap depending on the circumstance
stuck tiger
Please make gunslinger broooo blizzzz and make it stupid hard to play
lime lake
note that im not on the side of doing this to outlaw, just i dont think they would ever coexist
placid ocean
so it would either have to be outlaw or not exist
Bring back combat, easy fix.
lavish siren
note that im not on the side of doing this to outlaw, just i dont think they wou...
" Differentiation: An outlaw is defined by breaking the law, whereas a gunslinger is defined by their skill and notoriety with a gun. A lawman like Wyatt Earp was a gunslinger, but not an outlaw "
The Overlap: In the lawless American Old West, both outlaws (robbers/murderers) and lawmen (sheriffs/marshals) needed to be fast and accurate with a gun to survive, leading to the "gunslinger" designation for both.
stuck tiger
i hate being outlaw in lfg
Do you not enjoy being rare asf
lime lake
" Differentiation: An outlaw is defined by breaking the law, whereas a gunslinge...
i dont even know what you're arguing so
unique fulcrum
Do you not enjoy being rare asf
i do but i also wanna be invited smh
lavish siren
i dont even know what you're arguing so
zero argument
balmy topaz
bruh i get declined for 16s with 3312 score
I get declined and I have 3455
unique fulcrum
crazy life
balmy topaz
It’s a way of life
unique fulcrum
community perception is wild
and then when i do get invited im top dps
and theyre like
omg outlaw hidden op??
hybrid zealot
guys dont play tbc if community perception is something you care about
straight up racism against rogues there kek
unique fulcrum
do not worry i will not be touching tbc XD
indigo token
unique fulcrum
when is NA reset done?
patent mirage
Outlawl!!!!!
proven ocean
xac
random stirrup
i might rejoin u on ur ui sooner rather than later
random stirrup
Is ryldd noob
yes
vivid vessel
we are being told to get meekauras for paladins
ye there is a dispell assignement thing
for the debuff
random stirrup
down with arcui up with meekauras
keen belfry
down with arcui up with meekauras
never use arcuii bro
keen belfry
that shit has been dead since prepatch
keen belfry
how
vivid vessel
wtf is it vault time
serene urchin
did everyone swap to the ptr set up already
vivid vessel
why is na streams not up yet
serene urchin
r we really dropping heavy hitter find an opening for one point in ace one point in sum dispatch
gaunt phoenix
Yes
serene urchin
sir yes sir
prisma lantern
why is na streams not up yet
Liquid maybe pulling boss a couple times to decide if splits worth it?
dusk dirge
dark mod on
vivid vessel
Liquid maybe pulling boss a couple times to decide if splits worth it?
i mean ..
you cant really decide on a couple pulls
prisma lantern
Yeah, but it's still strange.
vivid vessel
they would need to kill first boss
rare rapids
Anyone know if Saptor's paw is decent at all?
frail veldt
never use arcuii bro
It's honestly the most stable one I've used so far
Awful to set up
inner sky
Should i open vault as Outlaw or Sub/sin?
frail veldt
But it hasn't broken or anything since the start
inner sky
Have crafted weapon
narrow pasture
arcui was good until i had to switch specs
prisma lantern
If they were doing splits right now streams would be to for helpers.
keen belfry
my arcui broke like 10 times
frail veldt
Haven't changed any settings
narrow pasture
then it went turbo unstable
eternal hound
Have crafted weapon
Did you craft a dagger or sword?
frail veldt
Ayije didn't work for me
inner sky
Sword
prisma lantern
And I doubt that liquid just slept in.
random stirrup
ayijie is so easy to setup
ayijie didnt exist when i made my ui
vivid vessel
Visibility settings were bugged
thats not true bro
frail veldt
I'm using elles on all my alts
keen belfry
elle cdm sucks
frail veldt
No
vivid vessel
you have a button to fix
and you didnt press
litteral skill issue imo
massive skill issue
wait guys brb the water is boiling
frail veldt
I don't want my addon to reset a bunch of settings that I dont know
vivid vessel
i need to put pastas in
frail veldt
0/10
vivid vessel
I don't want my addon to reset a bunch of settings that I dont know
its not a bunch of settings
frail veldt
0/10
vivid vessel
arcui forces buffs to be "awlays shown"
its litteraly arcui
that does what you dont want
keen belfry
arcui ui and setup took so fucking long
frail veldt
arcui ui and setup took so fucking long
It does yeah
vivid vessel
this mewo guy
random stirrup
arcui ui and setup took so fucking long
yes, but it only took me like 15 minutes to remake everything for outlaw now that I've got the hang of it
and it is surprisingly stable
hidden lynx
yo guys how we doing as outlaw this expansion ?
vivid vessel
stable ..
vivid vessel
ayjee is stabler
keen belfry
yes, but it only took me like 15 minutes to remake everything for outlaw now tha...
what if it can take u 3 minutes to do the same for ayijijiee cdm?
vivid vessel
no cap
frail veldt
Nah just don't move anything haha
vivid vessel
- ayjee has an api to use his addon backend
random stirrup
what if it can take u 3 minutes to do the same for ayijijiee cdm?
idk maybe but im already too deep
sunk cost fallacy and all
keen belfry
wait guys since when does loaded dick build sim same as heay shitter? that mean i can run loaded dice in st now? LETS GO
vivid vessel
get owned arcui
frail veldt
There's just not much benefit atm
random stirrup
if I swap itll be to weakauras
frail veldt
To switch off arc
random stirrup
which prob happens soonish
frail veldt
It has everything I need RN
vivid vessel
wait guys since when does loaded dick build sim same as heay shitter? that mean ...
what
keen belfry
wait guys since when does loaded dick build sim same as heay shitter? that mean ...
@vivid vessel turn on loaded dice now
frail veldt
Until it breaks I'm not switching
inner sky
This conversation is wild
vivid vessel
yo noah fecks
vivid vessel
noah fence
vivid vessel
noah fence noah fecks
frail veldt
Bro wang
vivid vessel
get it wang
keen belfry
2 dispatcher???? sleight???
vivid vessel
you get it
keen belfry
LETS GO
inner sky
If you'd done no ah fence it'd been cooler
vivid vessel
can you do that im confused
frail veldt
Yes
glass mortar
smh awang i thought u were reformed this expac
keen belfry
Go read faq
read first 2 LSOER
frail veldt
Bro you have deft
vivid vessel
cause you are going
frail veldt
What are you doing
frail veldt
Lololol
hidden lynx
stable ..
so we can't push m+ again thank you blizzard..... what about our other specs do we have any chance this expansion....
vivid vessel
so we can't push m+ again thank you blizzard..... what about our other specs do ...
nono
impossible
keen belfry
WE NO LONGER KIR 2 BUFF BOYSSSSS
vivid vessel
i play sleight everywehre tho
keen belfry
and 2 pisspatcher? LETS GO
keen belfry
erm no u dont!
vivid vessel
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
keen belfry
i mcooking rn
gaunt palm
With kir on CD, LD and stage 2 roll active, and I Prep for another AR, can I reroll to not waste a LD or no rerolling allowed?
hidden lynx
impossible
thank you for letting me know, i was about to buy this expansion but your reply saved me a real money bro hahahahaha
keen belfry
yes reroll
gaunt phoenix
its fine to roll 2 if LD would get overwritten
craggy quiver
my rng is that good it wont happen
Let me buy ur dice
vivid vessel
??
tf
what deh eelly
the heel
eel
what is the eel doing
shh shss
you are so right tho wang man
i didnt know this build existed
its funny
keen belfry
yw
vivid vessel
cause standard build right
vivid vessel
but then this shit is same
keen belfry
and id rather run 2 dispatcher and sleight
vivid vessel
and also this shit is same
keen belfry
so im gonna
vivid vessel
so many posibilities !
keen belfry
yeah i was debating 2 ace for vibes too
hell i might just 2 ace
cuz sometimes can bte bte
glass mortar
have u guys not been running sleight in aoe
keen belfry
this is ST
desert tendon
no
glass mortar
truth be told i havent changed them since i made them at the end of week 1
i wonder y
keen belfry
sleight is aoe build
desert tendon
you had the only right build, just people didnt understand you
Having fun in the only build
🏄♂️ 🏄♀️
keen belfry
ive been a 2 ace truther for so long cuz sometimes u can bte bte
nbd
especially with poopercharger
desert tendon
popo charger 
cinder relic
<@96834520417828864>
Shadow got buffed this reset too Lololol
0% to rogue
1 melee tier 0 rogue buffs lawl
copper radish
Shadow got buffed this reset too Lololol
Devourer needs more ST buffs smh
wintry solar
for every day that outlaw goes unbuffed, I will kill one fairy
copper radish
Last I heard they messed up the collapsing star buff so Devourer should be doing more once they fix it
wintry solar
dood free money?
keen belfry
i gotta get in on that
mighty pivot
guy is getting all the money for himself 
wintry solar
boooo
cinder relic
Yes man Mr beast is reaching out to you personally to give you bitcoin
wintry solar
!explode Foreverguy
mighty pivot
you need the condition before the ability's name
mighty pivot
mighty pivot
no longer news
mighty pivot
like 10c
wintry solar
that sounds nice
true dust
Which melee spec is currently not cooked? Fury?
glass mortar
ok so does anyone else use the tab target kick padding macro tech we discovered last expac?
i see r/wow keeps saying that tab targeting to casters is broken and tabbing is broken but i have not had any issues with my macro (that ive noticed) yet this expac
everytime i hit it it seems to be kicking some random nearby mob
glass mortar
Which melee spec is currently not cooked? Fury?
outlaw got out the best even with everything taken from it
fury is still fast and proc based tho
enhance as well
cinder relic
glass mortar
ah mb mb
i think fury is also good tuning wise?
idk about the best spec tho
devourer dh since u go into melee sometimes
gaunt phoenix
ok so does anyone else use the tab target kick padding macro tech we discovered ...
yes, i spam it
no issues
cinder relic
Which melee spec is currently not cooked? Fury?
In raid or keys
glass mortar
kk just wow reddit being reddit
true dust
In raid or keys
Keys
glass mortar
i think im gunna make one of these macros for blind since who knows how long itll be till we get aoe back
frail veldt
I love this new version of guy
who flames blizz and their shit balance
its my favorite thing to wake up to
cinder relic
I'm not really flaming blizz
frail veldt
stop im complementing you
glass mortar
well to be fair hes comparing rogue in that meme to the MC of this expac
cinder relic
Keys
Arms looks really good, isn't sub strong in keys rn? And then fdk? I don't really push keys but
gaunt phoenix
guy has always been vocal about raid balance
glass mortar
i dont think anyone will end up surprised if dev DH remains op for at least a season
cinder relic
It's not about being op for a season
wintry solar
I think most are expecting
cinder relic
It's about ranged dps getting buffed for no reason this expansion
Shadow is getting buffed, again
Devourer got buffed for 0 reason
wintry solar
its not no reason, blizzard is biased.
when half the dev team that does play their game play lock, mage, etc ofc casters will be tuned better
hasty warren
mage range so buff range
hasty warren
when half the dev team that does play their game play lock, mage, etc ofc caster...
hunt too
balmy topaz
Pushing keys has been hard this week @vivid vessel
hasty warren
Pushing keys has been hard this week <@352916297262301194>
what type of beer ?
hasty warren
I want a beer now
grim spear
Outlaw designers really don’t understand how RNG should be designed.
incompetent game designers
cinder relic
what
grim spear
They should go back home and spend some time actually learning their craft.
hasty warren
Outlaw designers really don’t understand how RNG should be designed.
wdym ?
prisma lantern
I'm lost on your RNG statement.
hasty warren
outlaw is less rng now
gaunt phoenix
both
grim spear
wdym ?
I think Outlaw’s RNG is poorly designed.
It basically feels like you’re just rolling a dice to decide how much damage you’ll do next
which is meaningless and not fun
You can’t control the outcome through planning or build choices, and you can’t meaningfully respond to it either.
frail veldt
im not even sure its all the dice
grim spear
It’s just RNG, completely disconnected from the gameplay.
keen belfry
I DO AGREE OUR SHORT PULL TO PULL VARIANCE IS CRINGE
frail veldt
I mean our variance is 4%
it is high
but not entirely disconnected from the gameplay
keen belfry
over 5 minutes our rng is fine
rare rapids
if you think this rng is bad it used to be so so much worse
tired wolf
i sabotage every pull i dont get back to back jackpots
grim spear
but not entirely disconnected from the gameplay
entirely
keen belfry
i dont htink ive played a version of outlaw with more variance on a pull to pull basis tho (IM TALKING ABOUT M+ PACK PULLS OUR RAID VARIANCE IS FINE)
frail veldt
not* entirely
grim spear
You have no control over the outcome, and no way to respond to it.
well, loaded dice is fine
frail veldt
you still have a rotation you have to do correctly which influences your dps more than the randomness though
your ability to gain/lose dps via your rotation is significantly greater than the inherent variance
keen belfry
you still have a rotation you have to do correctly which influences your dps mo...
optimal play vs very good play is not even close to the diff between jackpot and 2buff
rare rapids
Well and the rolls give you combo points / more procs as well so it does affect the gameplay
tired wolf
You have no control over the outcome, and no way to respond to it.
would you say poker is purely a game of luck or is there some skill involved
frail veldt
past a certain threshold ofc you are at the mercy of variance
grim spear
Loaded Dice is a decent design, probably the only good part.
frail veldt
optimal play vs very good play is not even close to the diff between jackpot and...
yeah maybe pull to pull but over the course of a key
whats the damage gain of jackpot compared to 2 buff
keen belfry
yes whole key, big sample, our variance is fine
frail veldt
like 15%?
keen belfry
its gotta be more
frail veldt
jackpot is 10% crit chance right
glass mortar
doesnt even feel like its RtB rolls anymore tho
more of our damage variance is just all the random stuff in the background u have no reason to track happening
grim spear
would you say poker is purely a game of luck or is there some skill involved
Poker is much better than Outlaw in this regard.
First, poker doesn’t have randomness everywhere, it has a single source of RNG: the deck.
glass mortar
BtE crit or no crit, zero in stacks, BtE stacks (which can randomly give double), coin stacks
grim spear
Second, once you get your hand, you can decide how to play it, whereas with Outlaw, once you get your buffs, you always play the same way.
frail veldt
you legit do 2x dmg on the first pull if u jackpot vs 2 buff of dungeons
that cant be right
jackpot is flat crit chance wang
keen belfry
it is
glass mortar
all these things are stacking a fairly significant mod on ur most powerful spells regardless of ur RtB buffs
hasty warren
It basically feels like you’re just rolling a dice to decide how much damage you...
I understand what u're meaning, was a big fan of former RTB and I don't realy like the new one. But idk if it ake rng bad on outlaw.
It's just different
glass mortar
i mean the highest "burst" ive done on a m+ pull was with a 2 buff
i think i peaked at like 300k or somethin
keen belfry
thats just nonsense
its also stage 3, its also not presisng any more globals on rtb
its more than tho
glass mortar
ive never got up there with a jackpot
grim spear
Fatebound doesn’t interact with Roll the Bones at all, and instead randomly introduces a new RNG element with the coin. It’s a complete design disaster.
glass mortar
the backround stacking variance matters more then this stuff
keen belfry
they dont udnertsand cuh
glass mortar
stage 3 is def pretty powerful
keen belfry
its literally 2x dmg on a first pull
frail veldt
its also stage 3, its also not presisng any more globals on rtb
Yeah stage 3 is very good I agree
glass mortar
feels morso then stage 4 even
frail veldt
I think stage 3 in aoe is more value than jackpot
glass mortar
stage 4 is probably at best 12-15% dps
frail veldt
like 2->3 is more than 3->4
glass mortar
bte stacks
jolly geyser
frail veldt
bte is an issue
glass mortar
coin stacks
keen belfry
u guys r wrong but i respect it
glass mortar
i mean i hit 13 stacks of BtE and was doing over 300k dps with a 2 buff roll
keen belfry
yes its not JUST jacpot or not obivously but its jackpot
glass mortar
higher then any jackpot i ever got this expac awang
hasty warren
new bte is an INSANE rng machine
due to crackshot ?
keen belfry
i mean i hit 13 stacks of BtE and was doing over 300k dps with a 2 buff roll
and youd be doing 600k with jacpot
my point
keen belfry
yes
glass mortar
grim spear
AND
Why introduce another completely uncontrollable RNG element with the coin when you already have dice ?????
glass mortar
the math aint mathin
grim spear
instead of adding more ways to interact with RTB
keen belfry
ur dumb man if the same exact thing happened youd be doing jackpot
grim spear
The latter would clearly be better in both flavor and gameplay.
keen belfry
2x more
frail veldt
due to crackshot ?
due to it giving you a flat stacking damage buff
glass mortar
rng flat stacking damage buff
it can give 1 or 2 stacks dont forget
just random
plus random reset
keen belfry
u guys probs just get nervous and scared when u get jackpot and fuck ur rotation really badly cuz ur not gamers
frail veldt
and youd be doing 600k with jacpot
stage 3 with a bunch of bte resets will out damage jackpot with no bte resets
100p
not even close
frail veldt
jackpot is trash
glass mortar
TB still feels good tho
frail veldt
stage 3 is way way way better than jackpot
keen belfry
there is fart on my screen rn i must stop reading it
glass mortar
10% crit is fairly close to 10% dps on a napkin
keen belfry
back to fxing this defect
keen belfry
u guys probs just get nervous and scared when u get jackpot and fuck ur rotation...
@frail veldt @glass mortar
glass mortar
ur just to tied up to the word jackpot idk what to tell u
jackpot is jackshit, 3 buff is all i need
10% free crit is nice but im not gunna cry about it
hasty warren
due to it giving you a flat stacking damage buff
oh yeah
keen belfry
this guy dont even kow what jackpot is
hasty warren
still confused why they removed crit buff on bte
glass mortar
jackpot has less dice in its buff symbol then 3 buff
grim spear
Doesn’t Blizzard claim they hire the best designers?
How does the result end up feeling so clueless and incompetent
frail veldt
this guy dont even kow what jackpot is
do the math wang
glass mortar
somewhere in that range yea
cinder relic
Doesn’t Blizzard claim they hire the best designers?
How does the result end up ...
What the fuck are you talking about
glass mortar
u can usually quickmath (especially early in an expac) secondaries to be 1% secondary ~= 1% dps for most specs
if ur scaling is shit then it will be close to that
hasty warren
What the fuck are you talking about
rng
glass mortar
and itll be above that if u have good scaling
we scale well with crit so it could be as high as 15%
hasty warren
and how bad it is for outlaw
frail veldt
u can usually quickmath (especially early in an expac) secondaries to be 1% seco...
^^^ @keen belfry
jackpot is worth less than 3 btes
its just facts
maybve proc ace more
noob
wintry solar
imagine thinking jackpot is ass when jackpot is crit chance + stage 3
frail veldt
and you still cant keep your dps consistent
cinder relic
The whole idea of wanting RTB to interact with your rotation sucks
frail veldt
imagine
frail veldt
The whole idea of wanting RTB to interact with your rotation sucks
booo bad take
vivid vessel
Guys
cinder relic
Its almost never been this way for 10 years, and it shouldnt be either
vivid vessel
Should I remake the ace weak aura ..
wintry solar
I want RtB to have even more variance
vivid vessel
The ace trakcer
frail veldt
the whole idea of wanting a button to be a random dps increase sucks
vivid vessel
So we can know who have the biggest cock in here
frail veldt
why not make adr grant anywhere from 0 to 25% dps 🙂
cinder relic
It's called critical strike dummy
frail veldt
is that a good ability?
vivid vessel
Surely it's me
wintry solar
If I low roll I want it to SUCK to play
cinder relic
It came with the video game
grim spear
The whole idea of wanting RTB to interact with your rotation sucks
Outlaw just sucks right now, nobody’s even playing it.
hasty warren
The whole idea of wanting RTB to interact with your rotation sucks
I don't agree, it was fun
cinder relic
Outlaw just sucks right now, nobody’s even playing it.
Thats because its undertuned
If outlaw did 30% more damage
It'd be played
frail veldt
nah
glass mortar
RtB does interact with the rotation right now its just
frail veldt
guy we know thats not true
cinder relic
Okay
keen belfry
So we can know who have the biggest cock in here
i mean the proof is in the pudding
frail veldt
it might be played slightly more but outlaw has been strong in the past
and still unpopular
its just not a popular spec
glass mortar
prior to new RtB, you could have good rolls that changed your rotation mildly and good rolls that didnt (basically if you hit BS or not)
cinder relic
why not make adr grant anywhere from 0 to 25% dps 🙂
Wait until you try other wow specs and realize this already exists
glass mortar
now its sorta like either RtB changed ur rotation (u hit BS) or ur fucked because u have a 1 buff
so maybe it feels worse to people
frail veldt
Wait until you try other wow specs and realize this already exists
did you link the wrong thing?
grim spear
Thats because its undertuned
Come on, there are specs that are even more undertuned and people still play them.
cinder relic
"0-20 rage"
glass mortar
i mean outlaws basically always been a low pop spec
rogue in general has been a low pop spec since vanilla
keen belfry
i mean outlaws basically always been a low pop spec
but high poop
cinder relic
Its not changing
glass mortar
its hard to use it as an argument for it being uniquely bad now
cinder relic
Its fine, it doesn't need to be popular
grim spear
Rogue has always been unpopular
bc it's not fun
glass mortar
hes talking about the popularity not changing
grim spear
Because the Rogue designers are incompetent.
glass mortar
not the rotation with RtB
wintry solar
I blame lack of flashy visuals relative to the other classes, we're very low fantasy respectively
cinder relic
IM SAYING IF ROGUE DID 30% MORE DAMAGE ITD BE THE MOST POPULAR ROGUE PSE
frail veldt
hes talking about the popularity not changing
cinder relic
Holy fuck
frail veldt
yeah but he just said this
cap
outlaw has done that
and was less played
than assa
glass mortar
oh i assume when he said it would be played he meant like high end players
frail veldt
weve had this conversation 1000 times
cinder relic
IF OUTLAW WAS 30% STRONGER THAN SIN/SUB ITD BE PLAYED MORE THAN SUB AND SIN
DO YOU THINK THIS IS TRUE OR FALSE
frail veldt
disagree
cinder relic
THEN YOU ARE DUMB
frail veldt
classic guy
grim spear
Holy fuck
If it takes a 30% damage buff just to get people to play it, doesn’t that basically mean the designers are incompetent?
glass mortar
if outlaw was 30% stronger then i think alot of rogues would form to outlaw yes
wintry solar
30% more than sub or sin?
glass mortar
30% is an absurd number
cinder relic
If it takes a 30% damage buff just to get people to play it, doesn’t that basica...
Oh my god
vivid vessel
!ban @cinder relic stop screaming
glass mortar
idk why ud disagree with that
wintry solar
30% isnt anything to scoff at
vivid vessel
Dw guys I got you
wintry solar
oh our god
keen belfry
In game?
copper radish
Just admit it yall rogues are the forgotten class esp outlaw
hasty warren
30% of 0 is still 0
frail veldt
you can rp any game
wintry solar
say it with your chest
copper radish
moonguard gang rise up
Role play you say?
wintry solar
you play the role of a spec long forgotten by the community
keen belfry
In GTA 5 RP
Anyone know this meme
wintry solar
"I don't like it"
im gonna start reporting so many messages now knowing thats an option
copper radish
"I don't like it"
Is that actually real that’s crazy lmao
glass mortar
omg ur allowed to report things u dont like?
keen belfry
Ofc Zac has an android google pixel phone
glass mortar
its so over for everyone in here
vivid vessel
Ofc Zac has an android google pixel phone
If you have an iphone you are a cuck
wintry solar
its over for me
cinder relic
wintry solar
misinformation
keen belfry
If you have an iphone you are a cuck
I was a cuck before I had an iPhone
wintry solar
not the cuck thing
glass mortar
outlaw players after finding out discord lets u report people for writing "things i dont like"
wintry solar
I don't like that...
vivid vessel
I was a cuck before I had an iPhone
Owning an iphone means you are willing to spend 1k of the price into just the fact it's called an iphone
Rest is normal price
Total 1.5
Big cuck
glass mortar
zac insulting people who use iphones now smh idk about u guys but i
did NOT like that
💅
vivid vessel
Elon musk owns you lil buddy
glass mortar
ur a banned man walking zac
copper radish
Owning an iphone means you are willing to spend 1k of the price into just the fa...
Isn’t android the same price??
wintry solar
I have his internet
keen belfry
Owning an iphone means you are willing to spend 1k of the price into just the fa...
What if T-Mobile plan switch deal new iPhone free
grim spear
I really don’t want to keep pretending this spec’s designer deserves their job.
They should find a different one.
keen belfry
U ever T-Mobile it up?
cinder relic
I really don’t want to keep pretending this spec’s designer deserves their job. ...
Fuck off already
vivid vessel
What if T-Mobile plan switch deal new iPhone free
Glurping on Elon musk ball sack rn
keen belfry
I kinda like this aohajin guy
glass mortar
he cant hear u over the roar of his cybertruck zac 😎
keen belfry
He jsut complains into the air
keen belfry
Glurping on Elon musk ball sack rn
Jealous much?
wintry solar
glass mortar
u can make vroom vroom noises with ur mouth while ur driving ig
fast onyx
wait its an EV it doesnt make a roar
EVs come with fake engine roar so his probably does
grim spear
They deserve the criticism, and they should feel ashamed.
keen belfry
https://klipy.com/gifs/old-man-yells-at-cloud-yelling
Like we all yapping about T-Mobile then aohajinn adds a message calling for the devs to end it irl
glass mortar
baaased
vivid vessel
Jealous much?
Keep slurping lil bud
balmy topaz
Keep slurping lil bud
Slurp on this
glass mortar
wait awang is a tmobile enjoyer like me??
frail veldt
huge tuesday gains
glass mortar
nvm ur him again
balmy topaz
glass mortar
@keen belfry
keen belfry
Yeah nbd
keen belfry
Got on T-Mobile this week
vivid vessel
you are running with green weapon or hwat
copper radish
huge tuesday gains
Huge gains to still be dead last ST boss dps 😭
glass mortar
ok so is the actual play this season a MH mythic weapon with oh craft dagger and weapon embell, or no crafted weapon at all, or what
keen belfry
I’m GM and Raidleader and planner of my guild do you think imm gonna be sat on Paladin prog guys
balmy topaz
you are running with green weapon or hwat
You’re a green wep
glass mortar
it seemed to me like in my sims the weapon embells were pretty noticably ahead of the non weap slot ones
wintry solar
the actual play is to play Arena Breakout
glass mortar
i havent simmed if its enough to make up the ilvl gap in max gear tho
frail veldt
ok so is the actual play this season a MH mythic weapon with oh craft dagger and...
well the weapon embels are very good
so
I think double crafted is actually p strong if you arent lucky
keen belfry
I double crafted
glass mortar
i do have a crafted mh weapon with embel of course
grim spear
Like we all yapping about T-Mobile then aohajinn adds a message calling for the ...
Daily quest: flame the designers — 1/1 complete.
glass mortar
im just gaming out what happens if i pull a mh mythic weapon in vault ig
frail veldt
if you dont have a crafted dagger should you go sub for vault?
glass mortar
i was wondering that
frail veldt
yeah thats a good q
glass mortar
but then im gunna look like a loser with a higher oh then mh ilvl
frail veldt
offhand ilvl isnt great
glass mortar
certified sub main player ngl
when i see that in my dungeon
i guess i need to just run some sims of dual crafted emblly weapons vs mythic ones and boots craft with embelly
and make my current boots myth ilvl
dull lintel
Would it be troll if I am a sub main, to craft a outlaw weapon for bosses that sub sucks at, like the pally bosses
glass mortar
sounds wrong to me that weapon embellishments would be big enough to outweight weapon ilvl but the gap was like 0.5% or higher on my sims if i didnt mess it up
frail veldt
i guess i need to just run some sims of dual crafted emblly weapons vs mythic on...
arcanoweave vs weapon embel is like 0.5ish
glass mortar
between the weap and non weap embelly
frail veldt
yeah
glass mortar
ok so im not crazy
cinder relic
Dude
glass mortar
did someone buy it all out?
jolly geyser
what mats do those need?
glass mortar
sheeeesh
balmy topaz
i bought them all
balmy topaz
Hi zeross
proven ocean
Hi yuby
keen belfry
r ppl gonna craft this week or
balmy topaz
I am ok
proven ocean
Ok
balmy topaz
I miss you
proven ocean
Ok
vivid vessel
r ppl gonna craft this week or
ye im prolly going to
proven ocean
Jk me too
balmy topaz
You ok?
proven ocean
Me ok 
quiet ore
r ppl gonna craft this week or
Either MH or wrists/waist/neck, depending on vault
vivid vessel
most likely i wont craft with crests tho
balmy topaz
I haven’t been doing good
proven ocean
U were a noob, still a noob so u gotta un-noob
balmy topaz
Naa I am better but
keen belfry
most likely i wont craft with crests tho
what does this mean
quiet ore
most likely i wont craft with crests tho
You have enough myth track gear to use myth crests on not-crafting? Lucky
balmy topaz
I’m not the betterest
proven ocean
Ur not better if u dont screenshot me beating zac in 2 dungeons in a row
keen belfry
Either MH or wrists/waist/neck, depending on vault
i kinda just wanna make a juicy ring but also maybe not
balmy topaz
Ur not better if u dont screenshot me beating zac in 2 dungeons in a row
I did in 1
balmy topaz
Keys
quiet ore
i kinda just wanna make a juicy ring but also maybe not
You could craft a Darkmoon dominion: void to replace that coee I guess, too. Report back how improved it is by the weapon embellish, assuming that dagger has it.
proven ocean
U know that doesnt count right
balmy topaz
Double outlets keys
proven ocean
Ye no excuses on ilvl u gotta win otherwise skill issue
balmy topaz
But I died cus
desert tendon
hi zero
balmy topaz
2nd time dungeon
desert tendon
i like you zero
desert tendon
i m big fan zero
balmy topaz
No explanations yuby
I’ll be better
proven ocean
No excuses..
balmy topaz
I promise
desert tendon
i m jealous, i m only a cpu fan
proven ocean
Careful its dangerous out there censi
Some people dont care they might blow you up
I dont trust pc owners..
balmy topaz
I play on a steam deck
balmy topaz
desert tendon
Specially oil owners
proven ocean
I play on a dvd drive streamed from twitch controlled by ai speaker reacting to my voice
desert tendon
winkwink zero
proven ocean
How about that yuby
balmy topaz
I can’t top it
desert tendon
yuby is crazy
balmy topaz
proven ocean
Specially oil owners
Ye im a big oil owner now
balmy topaz
I am tuby
desert tendon
i ll call you buby now
proven ocean
??
desert tendon
actually was a pretty good month