Don't forget next to 0 utility
#outlaw
buoyant cosmos
sour cedar
almost afraid to say it so it doesn't get nerfed but I noticed that not 100% of the mobs in some of the Midnight dungeons have stealth detect so you can actually do some shroud skips now
stone frost
Don't forget next to 0 utility
Grappling hook will always be cool
buoyant cosmos
Grappling hook will always be cool
Any game with a grappling hook is always cooler
zinc briar
sour cedar
spamming Skyreach and skipping the wind puzzle has been a highlight with grappling hook
buoyant cosmos
I like how sprint seems to just negate the push back too
I don't remember it doing that in WoD
timid idol
i said this once
but they should allow outlaw to use cheat engine
that would be a good balance lever imo
timid idol
not below bm and frost dk
stop being so entitled for buffs!!!!!
it could be worse!!!!
near parcel
indigo token
why do i even bother playing this fucking game
the only classes I like are either ruined gameplay wise or have awful tuning
vivid vessel
arent you the one that sent htat picture of your logs in hc
frail veldt
why do i even bother playing this fucking game
They didn't even say output was the issue bro
vivid vessel
all grey and green
frail veldt
They said gearing and raid prep
indigo token
They said gearing and raid prep
yeah
i ran keys with guildies
i geared up
i dont understand why im getting shit
vivid vessel
was it a mythic guild
frail veldt
Were you less geared than everyone else?
runic gulch
what was your performance like compared to others on the nights you raided with them?
indigo token
I was middle of the meters
light falcon
99% or bust
indigo token
i just dont know why I even bother anymore
i always fail my trials
im never good enough or they just ignore me for the whole season
light falcon
enjoy the grind and improve. life is about 1 step back 2 steps forward good friend
runic gulch
then idk man, it its something that repeatedly happens like you say, then there is most likely a common denominator
you just gotta pick yourself up, figure out what it is and fix it
haughty wigeon
Heres a idea, so for Outlaw rogue make a talent similar to how demonhunters demon bite talent works (or used to idk anything about havoc) that makes sinister strike proc on auto attacks instead of the actual button.
Reasons why this would be amazing:
Less carpel tunnel when trying to spam it for combo points
2. Can finally make the mastery useable as whenever you get a main gauche proc it will also use a sinister strike that will still give the combo points
-
Going off of 2, would make more diversity for how rogues build their states by making each stat optimal instead of it being VOID
-
I have not seen outlaw do well since BFA (at least not OUTSTANDING) and it would be nice for it to be doing something
5.This would also lead to sinister strike not affecting outlaws global cooldown that could help with burst windows or other things.
- Even with this as a change outlaw would still be worse than Sub rogue which is why i personally feel nobody could complain.
fathom bramble
no
light falcon
I remember a few expacs ago the rogue dev was somewhat involved, is he no longer with blizzard?
fathom bramble
Heres a idea, so for Outlaw rogue make a talent similar to how demonhunters demo...
this is actually something I thought of as the worst possible change we could get in the TWW rework
and havoc has it now as a spec passive so they can't even talent out of it
runic gulch
Heres a idea, so for Outlaw rogue make a talent similar to how demonhunters demo...
april fools is tomorrow
fathom bramble
I'm like half expecting it to secretly be a copy pasted mafic post idk
runic gulch
🏄♂️ 🏄♀️
lime lake
it normally is
runic gulch
mogging a ret and arms on the first pull of seat rocking only a 2 set felt good
maybe we are okay
(we're not)
stone frost
I briefly played the ambush build and I thought it was pretty fun. It feels like it might've been too much in the longrun though 🤷♂️
grizzled marsh
maybe we are okay
after 40 pulls on paladins mythic can tell you we are not okay xd (i know u are meming but ye)
stone frost
mogging a ret and arms on the first pull of seat rocking only a 2 set felt good
That 1.5% bonus dmg makin a YUGE diff
grizzled marsh
only current use for rogue on paladins is be an absorb soak bot if needed and feint spam = immortal king
stone frost
I crafted a fucking sword to start the season....I wish I could d/e it and get my sparks back
My sub build does more dmg with 250 daggs 0 embellishments
near rock
outlaw p good on saldahaar boys
fathom bramble
yeah
as long as you don't get targetted with the lines at the wrong time
fall out of our feedback loop
and then roll a 1 buff
vivid vessel
Heres a idea, so for Outlaw rogue make a talent similar to how demonhunters demo...
Is this ai
Genuine question
vivid vessel
Hm
fathom bramble
I mean yeah
lusty night
Ye but you play outlaw
vivid vessel
True
lusty night
Is your opinion trustworthy
Why aren’t you playing the new DH spec Zac
I prepared you for this
fathom bramble
do you remember me typing basically this suggestion out as a deliberately nightmarish scenario that would ruin the spec? @vivid vessel
and now here it is
on the wow forums being suggested by a random
lusty night
Lmao
vivid vessel
Why aren’t you playing the new DH spec Zac
I fully transitioned to one trick rogue
No more alting a random spec I hate every season
Now it's just x number of rogue
lusty night
You’re such a bum
fathom bramble
nice
lusty night
Wow is ass
vivid vessel
Lok you started paladin?
fathom bramble
yeah
vivid vessel
I actually quite enjoyed the fight
vivid vessel
Ye
haughty wigeon
I'm like half expecting it to secretly be a copy pasted mafic post idk
its a copy pasta
but not mafic
lusty night
Are you playing outlaw whole raid or
lusty night
You’re playing it in keys so
vivid vessel
Yes
lusty night
I assumed it’s great
haughty wigeon
Fuck you rem
vivid vessel
I have a team of people that play off meta in keys
haughty wigeon
its from the forums
haughty wigeon
but rn blizzard forums is being fucky wucky so i cant tell this person that his idea sucks
vivid vessel
I'm actually quite happy about it cause I finally can play the game the way I want to
Instead of having to play the good spsc
With fotm rerollers demons
I was jealous of woxtoxic for having that with his team for a long time
fathom bramble
but rn blizzard forums is being fucky wucky so i cant tell this person that his ...
the funniest part of the suggestion is that it doesn't fix any of the purported issues it just ruins the skill cap and reactiveness of outlaw
vivid vessel
Peepo happy
lusty night
Ye I’m jealous
fathom bramble
the funniest part of the suggestion is that it doesn't fix any of the purported ...
- Likely same apm thanks to pistol shot spam instead
- mastery doesn't interact with this idea
- see 2
- this suggestion has no bearing on outlaws tuning
- doesn't effect burst
- see 4
lusty night
Lok where you raiding now
haughty wigeon
the funniest part of the suggestion is that it doesn't fix any of the purported ...
but dont you see lktar
remove ss means less apm
and less wrist pain1! works for dh :D (it doesnt)
fathom bramble
Lok where you raiding now
still Rain-stormreaver
lusty night
Gromnak
fathom bramble
no
lusty night
Streamer guy
vivid vessel
Btw lok
I don't think outlaw is that bad
On council
You are the tankiest guy in the raid imo
Move speed is op
And feint is op
On the fight
fathom bramble
yeah it feels more comfy than I think it is for most other melee
fathom bramble
throughput isn't great, but feint and atro are definitely helpful to the raid
near rock
I don't think outlaw is that bad
its good on honestly all the fights so far for me
grizzled marsh
i was considering trying out outlaw on the boss. idk what your exsperience was, looked a bit on your logs loktark. i did 40 pulls today as sub/sin.
near rock
alleria def worst tho
fathom bramble
Like I do thinknwe are tankier than dk
the only people with higher survivability than me on our 1 prog night were the 2 tanks and the holy priest
grizzled marsh
my healers do love me, cause im omega tanking absorbs and they are never afraid of me dying cause im immortal with feint bound
fathom bramble
just going purely off of the deaths page on logs
fathom bramble
I might've beat a tank for overall survivability if I didn't die in stupidest way possible
on 1 pull
vivid vessel
its good on honestly all the fights so far for me
Its aight
I think sub is way better on salad but it doesn't matter
fathom bramble
I tried to walk past a shield and it triple tapped me, then I took the res straight on top of another shield
vivid vessel
Noob
near rock
I think sub is way better on salad but it doesn't matter
idk bout WAY better
maybe slightly better
vivid vessel
Nah
Boss damage is way better
CDs are quite nice
You get exactly the right number of cds
fathom bramble
even if law is better does it really matter overall
vivid vessel
All in damage amp
near rock
not rly a dmg race fight tho
fathom bramble
it's like a 7 pull boss
near rock
ye its a joke boss
vivid vessel
not rly a dmg race fight tho
I mean
The boss isn't anything
I did say doesn't matter
vivid vessel
I might've beat a tank for overall survivability if I didn't die in stupidest wa...
I beat tank
fathom bramble
huge
fathom bramble
unkillable but our ehrps is somehow quite high
no passive mitigation I guess
so we just take a lot of rot that gets healed off
vivid vessel
What's ehrps
fathom bramble
extrernal healing required per second
vivid vessel
I see
fathom bramble
actually the boss also just hits players in melee range randomly
so we take more damage than ranged players I forgot
vivid vessel
Ye I mean no passive tankyness and no passive healing
vivid vessel
actually the boss also just hits players in melee range randomly
Yes but it's not random
I'm tracking it
So I can go out if needed
fathom bramble
probably a good idea
vivid vessel
I go out on the big sets when it's buffed also
Cause it does 70% of my HP
Without feint
:)
Very legal
vivid vessel
probably a good idea
It's quite easy to just target the other boss and not get hit fr a GCD
If you want yo
Not necessary in general tho
But the big amped hit is a nono
I need to tell my other melees friends because I don't think people even know this mechanic exist
As it doesn't do anything for ranged
fathom bramble
arms warrior average mitigation against divine storm is 45% ?
vivid vessel
Well not mine
Idk what yours is doing
Tho they kinda nuked the boss
You saw it lok
The nerfs
fathom bramble
yeah
fathom bramble
changing the dispels to 8 was just demonic in the first place
I can't believe they did that to panic try and stop rwf
fathom bramble
when all it does is get them to bring in their class stacks
fathom bramble
yeah
vivid vessel
And birds now give same loot as alleria
I think they kinda just made it 2nd to last boss
To save the race
Which tbf im fine with
I guess most guilds need to do council and alleria first
So progress shouldn't be affected much
fathom bramble
as long as they tune it back down for real guilds later
vivid vessel
I expect liquid echo to kill the bosses quite fast still and then we get tuning
I do find it quite sad that there is virtually no way to do the bosses the same way as race people did if they are hard rn
They will have legit 10 times our gear
fathom bramble
only way to approach doing that is to reign in splits somehow
vivid vessel
Like we did dimensius pre nerf and it was fair cause we had the same gear anyway
fathom bramble
but at this point it would probably require them to redo the entire loot system
shadow trellis
Feel like them balancing around rfw is pretty bad for the game overall
glass mortar
ive failed censi...
carmine mountain
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
dense coral
Why would anyone do so many delves
desert tendon
Noob
glass mortar
i wont fail u this time censi
glass mortar
im close
the reason it took so long
is 90% of my delves r 11s with keys
ive never spammed a delve for farm
fake content
desert tendon
that s the spirit
glass mortar
not how u enjoy a delve
desert tendon
WOAH
glass mortar
😠
glass mortar
imagine you take someone out to a fancy steakhouse and then they pull out a bottle of ketchup
thats u guys doing ur 30s delve spam
keen belfry
Am I wrong for thinking these dungeon nerfs are rogue buffs cuz rogue does them too?
keen belfry
Ty
tiny dagger
hold up aint u nathaniel b
desert tendon
desert tendon
Try to beat my record in DF S2. I must have the screenshot somewhere. 2700 applies for 11 invites
(10 of them were actual friends who their mage was away)
desert tendon
feelsaugseason
desert tendon
Tbf i think i saw plenty of aug sub in rio earlier
tiny dagger
yeah but wheres my aug, enh , prot warr, r druid
keen belfry
what do i say
fathom bramble
"outlaw is equally strong everywhere"
desert tendon
can bring coffee and sing to cheer them up
fossil lintel
Apparently outlaws are the stealthiest of all rogues if he's never seen one
fossil lintel
can bring coffee and sing to cheer them up
We definitely bring tea
tiny dagger
not me im always out of thistle tea
junior heart
are there any good macros for outlaw?
cinder relic
No?
mystic berry
I have to record this shit
daring yoke
what do i say
Tell them its an agility class
sturdy crow
are there any good macros for outlaw?
/party WILL PAY, DONT KICK
gaunt phoenix
my rtb is definitely consuming my combo points
maybe an addon display issue
tiny dagger
competitivooo
sturdy crow
Give em the ol switcheroo on countdown
haughty moat
hey, my nameplates are blocking the true sight eye and i cant see anymore who sees me in stealth, any workaround ? im using platynator with the jundies profile
rare rapids
do non-bountiful delves actually give any undercoin? I need like 3 for the spawner for the boss dude
gaunt phoenix
mystic berry
it really is
olive marten
For M chimaerus, do we prefer going down 1st or second? Or does it matter?
smoky lotus
1st, hit prep when you go down
olive marten
Good call
polar kelp
quaint mauve
im watching my little brother play fortnite and man
im past my prime
it’s lowkey all downhill from here
im a old ass man now
at the ancient age of 20
quaint mauve
highest skillcap shooter of all time fr
prime fortnite was lowkey when no one knew how to actually build
i remember getting my first solo win
i felt so cool
season 2-3 was so peak
i was lowkey still in middle school 😭
cinder relic
at the ancient age of 20
If U feel old at 20 I fear your never had it
daring yoke
i had a dream last night that we gonna get a surprise buff tomorrow
river wing
shush, Cassandra
quaint mauve
If U feel old at 20 I fear your never had it
i was goated 4 years ago
now i got arthiritis in my
fingers
and my aim sucks in fps
cinder relic
I said what I said
quaint mauve
now im old
ignore my hating.
i swear no one used to edit when i played this game 😭
quaint mauve
I said what I said
you don’t understand guy… i’ve aged rapidly over these 4 years
i went from a flourishing high elo youngin in my games
random stirrup
you don’t understand guy… i’ve aged rapidly over these 4 years
the next 4 years are worse btw
quaint mauve
to being hardstuck immortal 1 in valorant
it’s like
4 more years and ima be gold
yk what
guy has inspired me
ima go to like physical therapy
for gaming
strengthen my hands
long barn
How do you get a helm socket
reef plinth
Bro my mastery is doing WORK. It's like the 5th best thing in each dungeon
long barn
Is that just luck?
frail veldt
If U feel old at 20 I fear your never had it
Truuuuuu
rare rapids
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
stuck sparrow
Is that just luck?
luck or vault
strong cargo
How do you get a helm socket
Head/wrists/belt can proc socket when they drop (luck) or you can buy socket for these items from great vault
buoyant cosmos
Shoulda just played sub
balmy topaz
vivid vessel
Ok how are you gonna be looking for keys at 8 am a Tuesday tho
balmy topaz
vivid vessel
Degenerate
vivid vessel
Tuby listen
balmy topaz
Listening
Zac
I might have to race change
Idk if I am going to be able to survive much longer
vivid vessel
I might have to race change
I told you
junior heart
/party
vivid vessel
Outlaw is genuinely paper in keys
frail veldt
pressing feint causes me irl pain
buoyant cosmos
Outlaw is genuinely paper in keys
Did you switch from deadly pursuit to stam?
gaunt phoenix
yes
buoyant cosmos
works for me
frail veldt
@vivid vessel is this guy naked or what
buoyant cosmos
Ozzy wandered out of the house again
craggy barn
im clearly wearing glasses
balmy topaz
Outlaw is genuinely paper in keys
ye
Could we reduce feint energy
to like
10
or 0
thanks
silk stirrup
Feint should give energy
balmy topaz
vivid vessel
Could we reduce feint energy
not sure it changes much
its not really about not being able to press feint
balmy topaz
But like
In TWW
We had energy to press it whenever
Now we almost need to not energy starve ourselves in high keys
By stopping dmg
to press feint
Like I have to decide to press a defensive over an offensive
Not because it's a global
Because of resource
And I think in modern wow that just shouldn't be a thing
no other class has that
vivid vessel
but in tww we had 20% dr from vers, we had healing from vanish, we had 20% perma dr from evasion, we had 5% dr from pistol shot
and idk what other bullshit im forgetting
thats already 45% dr less that we had permanently
balmy topaz
Float like a buterfly
balmy topaz
o sorry yeye
cinder relic
Did you guys know hunter gains more than 2x damage when an additional target is added
2nd target = more than 2x
How the fuck did this happen
vivid vessel
How the fuck did this happen
they prolly complained that they didnt have any 2t in tww s3
so they got it fixed
we got ours deleted instead
cinder relic
MORE Than double
Not double
MORE THAN
They gain MORE than 2x damage from 1 additional target
vivid vessel
:D
lavish shoal
They gain MORE than 2x damage from 1 additional target
makes sense
hollow bloom
We should complain louder or just shut down the discord. Nothing we say ever gets fixed.
midnight ridge
cinder relic
I am so beyond stunned how broken EVERY ranged dps is this tier
Like EVERY single one is just beyond shitfuck busted
all 3 warlock specs, frost and arcane, MM, Devourer, dev, evoker
Only shit was in shaman
but apparently shaman is god in keys?
Like oh my god bruh
lavish shoal
lmao
hollow bloom
We got atrophic poison tho!
balmy topaz
but apparently shaman is god in keys?
It do be pretty good ye
lavish shoal
ret paladin
cinder relic
Ret paladin is only playable because hpal and prot are unplayable
Its literally a 1-3 melee tier 
lavish shoal
yeah i mean u dont even play a rogue
cinder relic
paladins is a 1 melee and and alleria is a 3 melee and the only reason u play melee is because grip is broken!!!
hahahaahahaha
lavish shoal
not a raid buff tho
cinder relic
#givedkaraidbuff
worldly compass
It’s ok not bringing rogue for a raid buff means we get the hunter treatment now 
cinder relic
I also cant beleive they took mark, a mid raid buff
TO THE LITERAL BEST DPS RAID BUFF
AND U NEED MULTIPLE ON MULTI TARGET FIGHTS
HUHHHHHHHHH????????????????????
THEY DID WHAT?????
HUH????
cinder relic
HUNTER WAS GOOD ON DIMENSIUS
vagrant saddle
rogues have pre pull shroud idk what u guys are complaining about
solar iron
Nah no way hunters became very good on dimensius days after rwf kills
vivid vessel
rogues have pre pull shroud idk what u guys are complaining about
it doesnt work on half the pulls becuase my hunter call a pull cancel
his trinket was on cd
guys hot take but
if you ignore damage metters
solar iron
I like watching my other melee dying to autos cause of shroud
solar iron
Agreed
craggy barn
mewo u dont know how many skyreaches ive had to carry today randomly
frail veldt
LOL
craggy barn
so many
frail veldt
you trying to get the trinket?
craggy barn
yea
frail veldt
rip
craggy barn
upgrade for my champ one
shrug
coulda done more but had to tank a bunch of guild keys today instead of gearing rog
tiny dagger
i cant believe i rerolled from uh last season to play this spec
there is no shot u guys actually are having fun on this class rn
cinder relic
Its p fun
tiny dagger
this shit needs 20 percent buff or its never going to do anything
wallahi u get anything above a one
frail veldt
there is no shot u guys actually are having fun on this class rn
rotation is still more fun than most specs
tiny dagger
i got so baited someone said outlaw was op in prepatch
frail veldt
whoever told you to pick outlaw for it being OP
tiny dagger
then any class ive played
frail veldt
is a bad friend
cinder relic
If ur only fun in the game is playing whats OP just be mentally prepared to play fotm
frail veldt
I think theyre more upset that they were lied to about outlaw being op
cinder relic
Thats valid
hasty warren
Hi pirates
cinder relic
Whioever said that was a moron
frail veldt
outlaw is one of the worst bets for "in meta" you could pick in wow
tiny dagger
im honestly just probs not on ur guys level at rogue yet
frail veldt
its also one of the harder specs yes
so even when its in meta
its only in meta if youre pretty good at it
vivid vessel
i got so baited someone said outlaw was op in prepatch
fotm reroller tried to reroll to outlaw for meta?
hell nah bro
hasty warren
outlaw was fun
vivid vessel
you played unholy in tww and rerolled to outlaw cause you were told it was op
vivid vessel
gege
tiny dagger
now uh is fotm
frail veldt
(subjectively)
frail veldt
idk whats fotm yet
tiny dagger
i see unholy now
frail veldt
uhdk is barely melee
tiny dagger
and its so fotm
frail veldt
mm seems pretty insane
tiny dagger
from when i played it
frail veldt
aug
vivid vessel
idk whats fotm yet
outlaw ..
river wing
udk is like ret now, halfway ranged
cinder relic
ret isnt range
tiny dagger
udk has been ranged since like dragonflight
frail veldt
udk has been ranged since like dragonflight
not true
river wing
like what do they do in melee
autos?
frail veldt
its way more ranged now
frail veldt
like what do they do in melee
autos?
ret or uhdk?
tiny dagger
should i reroll a fuckin enhance sham to prove a point
frail veldt
scourge is ranged now lol
frail veldt
uhdk is very ranged now
cinder relic
I am not trolling or being dramatic
EVERY ranged DPS
Is broken
Every melee is bad
frail veldt
not spriest
frail veldt
not sure its enough lowkey
tiny dagger
bro all u need to do on uhdk is keep up ur festering scythe now
frail veldt
spriest is very bad rn lol
cinder relic
not sure its enough lowkey
Its getting like an 8% buff
hasty warren
fire mage is still bad no ?
tiny dagger
u dont even need to dnd anymore
cinder relic
fire mage is still bad no ?
Just swap to frost
tiny dagger
unless ur talented for slow
hasty warren
Just swap to frost
ye there always a meta mage
tiny dagger
if anything this experiment of me rolling rogue this szn proves that all of u are gen better than any class in the game
frail veldt
the only melee ability you have is festering
tiny dagger
outlaw has been the hardest for me
vivid vessel
i need to get back to sleep bro
frail veldt
this version is very easy
river wing
outlaw is legit fun
and I can't help but go "hehe" when I roll a jackpot and KiR it
frail veldt
relatively
its obv still hard compared to the rest of the specs
but most specs got even more simplified
tiny dagger
to be fair tho i rolled rogue on sub rogue
frail veldt
than outlaw
tiny dagger
and i hate the way sub works
hasty warren
it used to be a lot harder too
idk if enhance is not a little harder now
cinder relic
Despite rogue not having a lot utility, rogue does have a lot of niche shit going on with it that can only really be taught from playing
frail veldt
idk if enhance is not a little harder now
yeah enhance too
river wing
outlaw went from a 9/10 to like a 5-6/10 diff-wise
hasty warren
wanna give a try when I can
frail veldt
that one kinda dodged a lot of the simplification
river wing
it's just that most other specs went from 5 to 2
frail veldt
outlaw went from a 9/10 to like a 5-6/10 diff-wise
yeah that feels accurate to me
cinder relic
Even stuff we take for granted, shroud skips, distract, actually using multiple CCs, vanish, knowing where evasion works
tiny dagger
i think i just hate proc class lmfao
cinder relic
Theres a lot of little things with the class
frail veldt
i think i just hate proc class lmfao
well thats outlaw
hollow bloom
The procs right now feel like ass because its procs from a projectile…
river wing
starting to learn how to vanish+CS when shit is rough
frail veldt
The procs right now feel like ass because its procs from a projectile…
thats only the one from our apex
its mostly a non issue outside of a few raid bosses
still goofy
hasty warren
Even stuff we take for granted, shroud skips, distract, actually using multiple ...
learning cloak and evasion abuses is my fav part of the season ngl
tiny dagger
The class is fun but u cant tell me this shit doesnt need a buff
hollow bloom
thats only the one from our apex
Id rather still have the instant proc back so its alot smoother but ya
tiny dagger
like bad
stable wolf
man there is so many things to remember on Rogue, meanwhile Blizzard didnt remember that my Bladestorm macro hasnt been working the last two years
frail veldt
Id rather still have the instant proc back so its alot smoother but ya
wdym back
we never had it
hasty warren
The class is fun but u cant tell me this shit doesnt need a buff
Blizzard is listening
frail veldt
apex was invented with this mechanic
cinder relic
The class is fun but u cant tell me this shit doesnt need a buff
There is no sentient human who thinks rogue doesn't need a buff
tiny dagger
u can be insane at rogue dont get me wrong
frail veldt
ace proc is still non projectile based
tiny dagger
but like bro imagine i press army of the dead
frail veldt
There is no sentient human who thinks rogue doesn't need a buff
I have a friend
he says "rogue is fine"
tiny dagger
and ur 5 k apm
vivid vessel
i think i just hate proc class lmfao
wrong spec i think haha
cinder relic
Rogue is complete shit rn, but its a broader issue with melee DPS in general this tier
tiny dagger
into outlaw
hollow bloom
Well i guess i mean the ACE proc should be like gravedigger, just instant.
Or the other way around
cinder relic
Like I said, every ranged DPS is completely shitfuck busted this tier
MM, Dev, Devourer, Aug, Frost, all 3 warlock specs
tiny dagger
do u think i would like assass rogue
hollow bloom
The gravediggger proc should be like ACE proc
cinder relic
do u think i would like assass rogue
idk, give it a sniff
hasty warren
Rogue is complete shit rn, but its a broader issue with melee DPS in general thi...
imo outlaw is the spec that suffer the most of melee punishment
frail veldt
idk, give it a sniff
yeah give ass a sniff
tiny dagger
ong if i get mythic dagger tomorrow im rerolling ass
cinder relic
swag
tiny dagger
is anyone good playing that spec rn
frail veldt
Rogue is complete shit rn, but its a broader issue with melee DPS in general thi...
genuine question though why does it feel liek the logs dont reflect this necessarily
there seems to be quite a few good melee in raid logs
hasty warren
genuine question though why does it feel liek the logs dont reflect this necessa...
maybe mass effect
frail veldt
ret/ww/havoc/fury
hasty warren
many ppl play ranges rn
cinder relic
there seems to be quite a few *good* melee in raid logs
because the first like, 4 fights dont matter
and melee is fine
hasty warren
so many bad players
tiny dagger
genuine question tho is the only way to parse on st rolling good
cinder relic
Its just melee on paladins are all complete asshole and alleria is the same thing
cinder relic
genuine question tho is the only way to parse on st rolling good
This is how parsing on every spec works its just instead of rolling literal dice its resource procs, or crits, or trinket procs
IF you play well, consistently, you will eventually parse because you play well with some decent luck
frail veldt
genuine question tho is the only way to parse on st rolling good
no not really
tiny dagger
i mean ive always had a pocket pi
frail veldt
if anything outlaw usually is easier to parse on than other specs in my experience
tiny dagger
but i get titled rolling a 1 on fucking pull lmfao
frail veldt
cuz youre impacted less by PIs/externals/lust timing etc
frail veldt
but i get titled rolling a 1 on fucking pull lmfao
youre opening wrong
youc ant roll a 1 on pull
cinder relic
so in prog on the relevant fights melee is worthless
I mean I'd say the raid starts at dragons and its like a 10-30 pull boss MAYBE
tiny dagger
say ong
frail veldt
your first 2 mins should be stage 2+ guaranteed
cinder relic
Did you know that hunter gains MORE than 2x damage from adding a second target
So u have a boss thats perma 2 target the entire time
frail veldt
go read #outlaw-faq for openers
cinder relic
Guess who is god
frail veldt
Did you know that hunter gains *MORE* than 2x damage from adding a second target
LOL yeah MM is actual god tier this season I swear
and the dungeons
cinder relic
And then the next boss, is also another 2+ target boss
frail veldt
also have tons of low target cleave stuff on bosses
MM is king
ALSO
hutner is so tanky
cinder relic
where MM again, gains MORE THAN 2x from an additional target
tiny dagger
is it cause i pop rtb on pull?
hollow bloom
They should have kept faint as a dmg amp in that one iteration of hero talents
frail veldt
is it cause i pop rtb on pull?
yes go read #outlaw-faq
hasty warren
MM has the best cleave no ?
river wing
They should have kept faint as a dmg amp in that one iteration of hero talents
please no
tiny dagger
unholy is the best uncapped aoe in the game
frail veldt
is it cause i pop rtb on pull?
hasty warren
5 MM roster is cringe
frail veldt
yes
tiny dagger
wow
hasty warren
like how the fuck it's meant to be balanced
tiny dagger
yeah ive been playing so wrong
frail veldt
so you again get 30s of stage 2+
hasty warren
so adrenline rush makes it so u cant
Loaded Dice
tiny dagger
i give props if u wanna main this class
frail veldt
I mean noah fence but this is like in the middle of the faq guide
tiny dagger
i joined this disc like 5 days ago
frail veldt
you cant doom so quickly
tiny dagger
im not trying to but i put all my time into gearing outlaw
hasty warren
i joined this disc like 5 days ago
take the time to read faq and pin messages
it helps a lot when learning
frail veldt
im not trying to but i put all my time into gearing outlaw
5 days is very short, outlaw is a long road
good news is
outlaw has a LOT of resources for how to play the spec
tiny dagger
i like phys comp
hollow bloom
Pretty sure we are just masochistic at this point.
tiny dagger
anything other then that feels like torture
hasty warren
Pretty sure we are just masochistic at this point.
autistic*
vivid vessel
where MM again, gains **MORE THAN 2x** from an additional target
we had the same with pc tbf and we werent even topping the council fight
pc was 120% cleave on 2t
or 110
idk
someththing around that
vivid vessel
GEGE
cinder relic
AND THE RAID IS JUST MADE FOR THEM
vivid vessel
NERF HUNTER !
is this def stance for dps warrior ?
which one is it
there is legit 20 def stance spell on wowhead
stable wolf
def stance right now: deal 10% less damage, take 15% less damage
vivid vessel
i see
stable wolf
anybody know the state windwalker? might fotm roll that one
stable wolf
hey now that was uncalled for
cinder relic
OLOLO
stable wolf
ah you mean ingame
river wing
anybody know the state windwalker? might fotm roll that one
strong if you can play it well
other than being melee, that is
vivid vessel
hotfixed next week bro
balmy topaz
I cba pugging a 16 on it
vivid vessel
dont bother
balmy topaz
Ye thank god
tiny dagger
is it the giga cock battleaxes?
tiny dagger
oh yeah the sub rogue worms
cinder relic
Im rerolling mm
Log the fuck in
balmy topaz
Wtf
vivid vessel
its easier now
vivid vessel
dot was annoying
tiny dagger
i hate that im getting flexed on by my friend first timing hunter
somber fractal
arent u first timing outlaw? ;p
balmy topaz
Let him cook
tiny dagger
what are the chances hunter last late in szn tho
vivid vessel
whats the bug
balmy topaz
You walk him to the stairs on pull
and after 1st set of mechanics
he does none
He stands there likea dummy
It's an omega cheese
vivid vessel
the big frost guy ?
balmy topaz
yeye
vivid vessel
i mena whatever the boss already does nothing
balmy topaz
But like
he doesn't do 1 mechanic
I just takes the healer not having to do anything
But ye it's already v easy for dps
cinder relic
The tradeoff is that it's an insanely powerful defensive
vivid vessel
no the tradeoff is that you are paper against anything that isnt aoe
and its too much of a tradeoff
cinder relic
Put on elus li'l gup
vivid vessel
i have elus lil gup
most classes have elus passively
nothing takes more damage than rogue
when it comes to non aoe damage
any dot outlaw is the most cringe spec in the game
tiny dagger
the thing is i think the class is tanky but u sacrifice eveything to live the only really good defensive is cloack
then ur just spending to live
pliant wave
@vivid vessel Zac, I downloaded your UI. What addon do I need if I want to hide my action bars?
vivid vessel
mouseover action settings
nova blaze
are there any outlaw buffs in sight? my m+ pala tank deals more st than me
pliant wave
mouseover action settings
default Edit Mode doesn’t have a “show on mouseover” option.
pliant wave
Thx
junior coral
so annoying, dude i swear they fucked with tab
its not smart any more lol
half the time it will tab to a cast... other half some random non elite pilgrim ...
did they fuck with tricks of the trade too?
i swear its no longer just sending threat to the tank, im always tanking a hit or 2 off the rip if im split and trying to help gather
trim vigil
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006> this you?
WTF
trim vigil
<@1172550924519080006> this you?
Grok, is this AI ? 
trim vigil
Nice moves then
balmy topaz
<@1172550924519080006> this you?
Zeros you been working out?! 
strong cargo
/cleartarget
/nexttarget
/cast Kick
/targetlasttarget
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] SPELLNAME
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm]
/focus target
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast SPELLNAME
/target focus
/clearfocus
/startattack
I still use this macro for "auto-tab-kick" and it still works like before
vivid vessel
well
it still works like before
but not really
blizzard broke tab targetting
so
its not as accurate as before
jolly geyser
strong cargo
Oh ok, idk i still never experienced any failure and I never switch target to kick
arctic hollow
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] SPELLNAME
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,har...
You can add a couple line
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead,harm] SPELLNAME
/stopmacro [@mouseover,exists,nodead,harm]
For extra reliability
strong cargo
Isn't that already in what I sent ? 🤔
arctic hollow
not @focus @mouseover
strong cargo
Oh ok I see, but I don't feel like mouseover is a safe option for melee kick
arctic hollow
That makes sense
static crescent
All I see Crucible trinket getting is a leech nerf, suprised if they dont touch it
Anyone aware of the active parts got nerfed on live?
proven ocean
💀 achievements that were meant to be added for midnight
@vivid vessel are u the intern 
zinc briar
@vivid vessel i have 2 champion weapons playing outlaw in MM king with 260 ilvl 🙁
Shouild i craft main hand if we dont kill him
vivid vessel
idk how you wouldnt kill it
ask your raid leader
how do you have champ weapons tho
just do m+
zinc briar
doing to get 6 cloaks
spaming 10 for nothing
im tilted af, still without set coz im unlucky and raid dropped all plate and mail
and without ilvl coz i get just cloaks
or rings
patent mirage
when buffs
static crescent
friday
big buffs for outlaw
guaranteed
but outlaw op in high keys
thanks zac for antisandbagging us
nerfs inc
can you outlaws stop playing higher keys until friday, thanks
agile quiver
!craft
glass anvil
Do you guys think it's worth it to hold on to blade rush if your above an energy threshhold? was wondering if saving the bit of energy overcap was worth it over the 4% buff
agile quiver
what's recommended slots after initial sword?
proven ocean
but outlaw op in high keys
These stats aren’t metrics for class balance lol
U dont need good dps to do high keys
Highest keys possible is where class balance hits hard
And that happens when everyone is fully geared
loud blaze
what's recommended slots after initial sword?
boots and ring
proven ocean
Do you guys think it's worth it to hold on to blade rush if your above an energy...
Doesnt it give a dmg bonus
Thats probably why ur dps isn’t as high as u want it to be right
U want it always on cd
And it does good dmg afaik i dont play the game tho so dont take me for granted
junior coral
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] SPELLNAME
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,har...
thanks!
hasty warren
hard to read a graph
static crescent
Fair
glass anvil
Doesnt it give a dmg bonus
4set?
ah didn't see you stopped playing
and I also can't read apperantly
thought you said "it doesn't give"
sterile dune
junior folio
No thanks, give us a melee friendly raid that sucks for ranged
hasty warren
just well design game for everyone regardless what they play
kind kite
No thanks, give us a melee friendly raid that sucks for ranged
the best is if you are ranged you insta die
worldly compass
tank friend threatening to delete his monk if another weapon drops
make ranged players get a stacking slow for every second they stand still and dps
fuck them
fast fossil
Should I generally always be using stacked pistol shot to build rather than ss if I have the option
I’m kinda new to the spec
vapid salmon
Should I generally always be using stacked pistol shot to build rather than ss i...
No
zinc briar
whats the name of our embellishment on weapon?
junior coral
please tell me we are able to craft our 3rd on reset! haha?
narrow pasture
yes
junior coral
lol but really, does any one know if were able to craft out 3rd item this reset?