You can PS with 3 stacks, if you're 1-3 cps
#outlaw
mellow dagger
!up
ornate heathBOT
sterile dune
Outlaw actually feels goated for aoe
inland acorn
With option to min-max of, using SS at 1 cp, IF you have stage 2+
if you're min-maxing and SS at 1 cp with stage 2 you either:
-end up at 3 cp --> use PS with opp stacks
-end up at 6 cp --> finisher rules
arctic hollow
With option to min-max of, using SS at 1 cp, IF you have stage 2+
In addition to being min-maxing i found it to feel really good, I spend a lot mmore time at PS(6)
inland acorn
Yes i also feel that way, though it does take a little time to get used to
And it actually makes you mindful a little bit of RTB, as there are rare situations where you're shit out of luck with stage 1
arctic hollow
Especially in ST, so sad
little lichen
I have some questions:
- In the opening, do we use adrenalin rush into Dispatch for SnD despite "loosing" the loaded dice?
2, Is there a valuable shiv target in m+? - Do we stagger Adrenalin Rush a bit if RtB is on cd?
inland acorn
I have some questions:
1. In the opening, do we use adrenalin rush into Dispatch...
What do you mean despite "loosing" loaded dice ?
little lichen
I assumed we want to use the loaded dice on BtE if possible
arctic hollow
1 you mean charged dice CP and yes.
2 there are a couple enrages worth shiving
inland acorn
Yes using supercharged for dispatch, as snd is important for us
As for 3rd no we don't stagger adr
Only time you hold adr is:
-when pull is dying and you want it for next pack
-holding for dmg amp
And even if holding for dmg amp, I wouldnt hold it for too long
little lichen
Thank you:)
frail veldt
Go audacity and grand cleave
Everyone goes grand melee for m+
frail veldt
9 in a row ezclap
I swear when it starts proccing it just keeps going
I feel like I get more chains than I do single procs of ace
sterile dune
Everyone goes grand melee for m+
But u also go audacity
As a dead talent point
That’s the secret kicker
daring yoke
guys, is there somewhere i can look RWF team rosters?
deep sequoia
ok so with preperation do u send ur 2nd AR as soon as u get it or wait til ur first one is done?
sterile dune
ok so with preperation do u send ur 2nd AR as soon as u get it or wait til ur fi...
U obv wanna wait
Why would u overwrite ur AR
Its a huge buff
deep sequoia
asking cuz in my sim it does so i was weirded out by that lol
i didnt know if i was missing out on some weird min max or some shit
sterile dune
Sims are different
And their rotation does get updated
With time
When the devs get to it
Remember its thinking about using AR asap to make the cd come up faster due to bladeless whatever talent
inland acorn
asking cuz in my sim it does so i was weirded out by that lol
it's not sending ADR though ?
sterile dune
They didnt consider the value of the buff itself
sterile dune
it's not sending ADR though ?
Yeah for me its not either
I womder if its something they saw wrong
inland acorn
It's sending prep early instead of waiting for ADR to finish which...
sterile dune
It's sending prep early instead of waiting for ADR to finish which...
Makes sense
Cuz u wanna start ha ing that cd ticking
inland acorn
I don't even know if holding prep till ADR is finished + br + bte are on cd is the correct play
We just assume it kinda is
sterile dune
No u wanna prep asap
inland acorn
Maybe sims think its worth to send it earlier, just to get extra BtE + br
sterile dune
I dont have roll the bones
inland acorn
Idk i personally send prep after adr is out + br + bte are on cd
sterile dune
So i cant stall my prep
inland acorn
I don't think it's gonna move meters much anyways
sterile dune
If i stall it i wont have adr infused RtB before adr is up again
jade crag
Are you even simming Outlaw if its not some pure spaghetti
sterile dune
So without RtB
U have to prep as soon as u use BtE
U dpnt even wait for blade rush
inland acorn
Thats... just wrong
sterile dune
Cuz overcapping on regen anyways
No im legit overcapping regen on ST
Bladerush is wasted cd
At that point
Skipping it is more dps
inland acorn
then ye
inland acorn
that makes sense to not overcap energy
with 4set we just send it
you get 4set with this reset, because of charges so at least there's that
sterile dune
Yeah on opener when ur max energy coming in with 7 cp and high regen due to adr
Ur gonna overcap
Nothing u use is wasting energy
That BtE costs me 24 energy
😭😭
Thats why I cant blade rush
Im regening more than im spending
So i prep after AR + BtE
stuck bane
is it normal that iam having alot of downtime on my energy?
cinder relic
Normal sometimes but bad play will cause it to be worse
final pagoda
What's the meta for nulleus ??
tropic zephyr
About Crucible of Erratic Energies, when you sim it for dungeon, you untick all the research enhancements right?
Like the research things you can enhance it with only works in the voidspire raid and voidstorm right?
snow hill
So I dropped out of my mythic raid prog team. Straight up less dmg than tanks. Class is cursed, was fun while it lasted. I'm hoping in like, 13 years Rogue might be better.
sterile dune
About Crucible of Erratic Energies, when you sim it for dungeon, you untick all ...
No
They work in dungeons bro
sterile dune
Thats why the trinket op for outlaw
sterile dune
Imagine ur cleave when u got buncj of long lasting crit
Move speed
And leech
The trinket is goated
It feels nice esp since assa gets built in extra cleave 😭
tropic zephyr
yeah
final pagoda
C'mon bruh
What lvl was ur valeera, were u outlaw, did u trickster+healer valeera
What ilvl were u
tacit totem
anyone know how to create a thread? need help figuring out waht im doing wrong with this spec
mighty pivot
use !log
sterile dune
What lvl was ur valeera, were u outlaw, did u trickster+healer valeera
I went fatebound outlaw, i didnt even use aoe build
Used healer valeera
sterile dune
What ilvl were u
250 i think
final pagoda
How did u manage valeera res?
I can res 3/4 times safely (cheat death, evasion, delve cheat death)
But at one point I try to res her and get shot
And aggro doesn't switch
sterile dune
I dont? I just tank the boss
final pagoda
How do you stay alive tanking the boss when each hit is 130k?
sterile dune
How do you stay alive tanking the boss when each hit is 130k?
Thats not a lot
The autos tickle
sterile dune
Idk i didnt geel like i got hit a lot at all
tacit totem
sterile dune
My valeera just outhealed everything
zinc briar
do u think outlaw will be better than subt for m+??
midnight ridge
blade rush is uncapped!
grim spear
outlaw this season is worse than last season imo
left jay
i'm still loving it anyway ✌️
i like the RtB changes very much so
blade rush tier set is fun
grim spear
same: padding dmg, capped, no st
worse: low targets cleave, playing style
left jay
you say no ST but I had no difficulty keeping up with my team on vorasius and i ain't even got 4 set yet
and that isn't just blade flurry pad
I actually didn't get as much use out of it in that pull
it's not great ST damage
BUT IT'S FINE it works
it's viable
grim spear
left jay
i'd say that's pretty good considering we have barely seen any tuning for the classes yet
let us be optimistic
this is a pretty regular spot for outlaw to be in anyway
So far I honestly think Outlaw has felt really good on the first 3 bosses of Mythic I'm so in love with this spec (but I always am)
grim spear
It’s just bad, plain and simple.
being optimistic or not
It’s been getting worse every season since long long ago
and it doesn’t even look like the designers care about this spec at all,
aside from occasionally showing up to tell some lies.
left jay
and it doesn’t even look like the designers care about this spec at all,
i mean they clearly do when it's so fun
someone with passion is designing this spec
most fun spec in the game for multiple years 
proven ocean
let us be optimistic
@vivid vessel remember when we tried that
Nothing works anymore
Yapping no yapping or sideways yapping
We get no tunings eitherway
proven ocean
One thing i will note tho
grim spear
The ones at the bottom clearly aren’t what 99% of people would consider “fun.”
proven ocean
Sinister strike energy cost must be reduced by 5
For it to atleast feel less bad in the giga lows
vapid salmon
I like this positivity, it's refreshing tbh 😄
left jay
Honestly, people know what “fun” is.
people don't give a shit about fun man they just wanna be OP and meta
outlaw has never been popular
because it is a demanding spec
that is never meta besides m+ occasionally
vapid salmon
The ones at the bottom clearly aren’t what 99% of people would consider “fun.”
It's more complicated than that, most people love to play meta classes and what does more big numbers in that moment
left jay
Sinister strike energy cost must be reduced by 5
that'd be nice
if spec popularity is indicative of fun they should have removed outlaw from the game ages ago
thankfully they respect our niche passion
proven ocean
@vivid vessel btw one thing that makes me believe that realz worked on outlaw is jackpot, 5 rolls were an issue in terms of being tier sets which we complained about and wanted to be baseline then we got jackpot which works nicely and its quite more often than what base outlaw would’ve looked like few tiers ago.. he usually changes things which we want alternatives for and i think sinister strike costing 5 less energy is great it is an alternative of some of the gameplay we’ve had in the past
grim spear
It's more complicated than that, most people love to play meta classes and what ...
In reality, we only get a tiny small fraction of population that many non meta specs have.
proven ocean
<@352916297262301194> btw one thing that makes me believe that realz worked on o...
How come are u typing all of that in one msg and not 10 different msgs?
Oh thats me nvm
grim spear
Even Blood DK has about ten times the player population of Outlaw.
I think people have already made it very clear what they consider “fun.”
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> btw one thing that makes me believe that realz worked on o...
He didn't work on outlaw I can assure you
vivid vessel
What
proven ocean
I feel like getting more jackpots would be sick
vivid vessel
What does that change
vivid vessel
You wouldn't be getting more jackpot wdym
proven ocean
vivid vessel
You are not rolling on cd omegalul
proven ocean
Ah
vivid vessel
You roll with loaded only
vivid vessel
Otherwise you will be Perma 1 budf
proven ocean
Right
proven ocean
???
vivid vessel
Jackpot is legit 30% + more DPS than a 2 buff and it's way rarer
left jay
Also rtb rng rn is way worse than it was in tww
using preparation in raid I'm feeling really good with RtB
vivid vessel
It's very noticeable
proven ocean
it's like 40% to roll 1 buff with Sleight
Ye but thats useless
U dont run sleight anyway do u
vivid vessel
You do
river wing
you do
left jay
Jackpot is legit 30% + more DPS than a 2 buff and it's way rarer
it feels sooooo good when you do get it i'm willing to make the trade-off 😔
river wing
sleight is player's choice with Find an Opening
and honestly when you get like 50% jackpot uptime it feels worth because you're finally able to get ahead of all the bloody DHs and locks
then some fucker blows up the raid at 10% and you want to scream
proven ocean
Whats the chance of getting jackpot btw?
vivid vessel
No clue
river wing
about 5% naturally
vivid vessel
Ye but I forgot
proven ocean
If its really 5% then its actually microwaved
river wing
shouldn't be
ld pushes it up one, for 50/30/20 of 2/3/4
proven ocean
It needs to be atleast same as tier sets which gave us 5 buffs
In s2
Otherwise idk
vivid vessel
The chance of jackpot is really low
river wing
soh pushes everything but 1 by 20% of base value I assume, so it would be 36/18/6 for 2/3/4 and the rest is 1 (42% left for it then)
vivid vessel
You get like a few per keys
vivid vessel
5% and cant roll on cd<:kekw:1079843746352476271>
Roll is basically on a 45s cd
You don't roll more than that
You roll with ADR only
proven ocean
I hereby the zeross’s first amendment rights declare your complaints valid under the law of the outlaw class
proven ocean
You roll with ADR only
Ye but if it was same as s2 tier set u ignore that rule
Cuz chances were high
Unless the cp generation is rly low now
river wing
rogue keeps getting punished for tank mistakes in m+
tank stands around picking their nose for 10s? that's condemning you to 50% chance of having to play with 1buff for 20s
vivid vessel
Chance of getting a 1 buff is way too high to reroll
proven ocean
Which i assume it is
proven ocean
Chance of getting a 1 buff is way too high to reroll
Thats cooked
Brb shower need to clean all the cooked outlaw changes off my head
vivid vessel
If you get a 1 buffer which is basically 50/50 rn
You can't play the game
Till next roll
So
river wing
base 50/30/15/5
soh 40/36/18/6
ld 0/50/30/20
ld+soh 0/40/36/24
that's what it works out to if the base results from sims are correct
and yeah rolling a 1buff is basically a failure state
grim spear
in simc
Sleight of Hand has a 20% upgrade chance
So the jackpot chance becomes:
Without Loaded Dice: 5% + 10% * 20% = 7%
With Loaded Dice: 15% + 30% * 20% = 21%
river wing
in simc
Sleight of Hand has a 20% upgrade chance
So the jackpot chance becomes...
wait
it's not base 50/30/15/5, but 55/35/10/5? that's even more fucked
tired rune
We play outlaw all we do is get fucked
grim spear
it's { 55.0, 30.0, 10.0, 5.0 }
river wing
bro this is cooked as fuck
vague cape
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use
Adrenaline Rush to activate 
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it. - Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
kind otter
do the upgrades for the crucible trinket work in raid and m+?
grim spear
do the upgrades for the crucible trinket work in raid and m+?
yes
river wing
then yeah, it would be
base 55/30/10/5
soh 46/36/12/6
ld 0/55/30/15
ld+soh 0/46/36/18
unreal tbh
mighty pivot
we don't really know how soh works, and their recent hotfix of soh didn't clarify anything
grim spear
so cool
frigid olive
i cannot get that dagger from pit of saron to drop in M+. Done at least 15 runs. Is it rare?
river wing
i cannot get that dagger from pit of saron to drop in M+. Done at least 15 runs....
just luck
frigid olive
yeah true
river wing
yeah gonna just craft non-embel dagger on reset
just wanna see how much Sub deletes my Outlaw damage with equal weapons
hasty warren
Hi pitates
static crescent
In m+ how well does our dmg reduction poison spread in bigger pulls?
Or does it even
Never looked and at work
vapid salmon
i cannot get that dagger from pit of saron to drop in M+. Done at least 15 runs....
Drop rates in general feels pretty off this season
I’m barely dropping anything in a full week or m+
jolly geyser
hasty warren
In m+ how well does our dmg reduction poison spread in bigger pulls?
it's applied when u damage mobs, some on big pulls some of them can not having it
young prism
lol did you see that?
jolly geyser
mystic berry
Hardest part of m+ is getting invited over the 10 frost mages and 20 locks that signed up
cobalt sail
uncap rogue
static crescent
it's applied when u damage mobs, some on big pulls some of them can not having i...
BR applies it to all too?
blissful idol
It’s just AA
First pull as outlaw is illegal
@balmy topaz did you time the 18 caverns ? I fell asleep before 2nd boss
balmy topaz
Naa I greifed 1st key
Then Druid ninja pulled on 2nd
Well I say I greifed
Someone procced the adds to early and I died
gaunt phoenix
noob ?
blissful idol
balmy topaz
You know the rule hold bte if around 30sec left on AR cd
gaunt phoenix
Yes
balmy topaz
I presume that doesn’t apply the other way around
gaunt phoenix
That's correct
balmy topaz
Ye thought so
hasty warren
BR applies it to all too?
pretty sure it does
balmy topaz
Got you
gaunt phoenix
it's fine
fervent garden
Raid we fucking suck
dude i raided with guild saturday, it was pathetic. i was embarrassed for the whole class.
mighty pivot
they will announce extra tuning today so all will be good eventually 
1000% trust in rogue devs
midnight ridge
balmy topaz
dude i raided with guild saturday, it was pathetic. i was embarrassed for the wh...
Ye I go 2 rank 1s and I was like 5th
mystic berry
they will announce extra tuning today so all will be good eventually <:Okay:1043...
wym, sub is fine, rogue dont need further tuning
like, play sub m8 its a pure dps class, they are all the same 
Then sub gets benched on paladins all the same
mighty pivot
balance is perfectly balanced 
zinc briar
Boot craft tomorrow
for outlaw?
mighty pivot
the main takeaway from that graph is how many disgusting mage/lock players there are out there. And some might even be in this channel... 
zinc briar
i was full rage yesterday raiding MM as outlaw..
gloomy moat
i wish they did a visual aura for when you are at 6+ palmed bullets...would feel so nice
zinc briar
Had some moments of no energy with bad rolls
still dont know if they gonna buff sub, assa, outlaw or nothing
waiting for the craft with 0 hype ¬¬
mystic berry
i wish they did a visual aura for when you are at 6+ palmed bullets...would feel...
They cant even do one for 6 opportunity
But it would be cool
balmy topaz
for outlaw?
Ye
zinc briar
its time to play bm
or warr arms
with buff incoming
warr arms will be a monster
in m+
knotty moss
Hi, I am trying to improve my single target raid rotation. When I check top outlaw rogus' logs i notice how their pistol shot usage is waaaaaaay higher than mine. Specifically, they seem to be always using pistol shot three times. When i do my rotation i feel I over cap and do not get 6 stack opportunity as often. Anything obvious i am missing about the pistol shot usage? I use sinister at 0-1cb and the opportunity procced pistol shot.
restive mango
i am going to level my warrior yes
weary fog
Hi, I am trying to improve my single target raid rotation. When I check top outl...
if you're looking at their casts in logs, the 3x pistol shot is opportunity
are u sending raw pistol shots?
knotty moss
if you're looking at their casts in logs, the 3x pistol shot is opportunity
thats what i was thinking, some sources said logs would record one pistol shot cast only as one action
do people then use dispatch at 5cb?
with aces in the sleeve probably could make sense
weary fog
dispatch at 5+, bte at 6+
weary fog
also u never send raw pistol shots without opportunity, just in case thats what u were doing
knotty moss
nah, i was not but the logs made me wonder haha
so if you have 4 cb, what do you do?
do you use opp pistol shot and over cap 1?
knotty moss
gotcha
by the way, without any buffs at the training dummy, whats a good dps target for 266 ilvl for single target raid boss dummy?
balmy topaz
Hi, I am trying to improve my single target raid rotation. When I check top outl...
I mean ye
Have you got a link of your own log
knotty moss
not yet, i was just trying to figure out what others were doing first, knowing my rotation isnt optimal at all
balmy topaz
not yet, i was just trying to figure out what others were doing first, knowing m...
What log are you looking at
Can you link
knotty moss
Can you link
i figured vorasius is a good single target benchmark fight at least for first 30 seconds
gaunt phoenix
When you need to build combo points
the priority is:
opportunity (with 6 stacks)
opportunity (with 3 stacks) when between 1-3 CPs only
sinister strike
so, if you are at 4 CPs with 3 opportunity, you do not pistol shot, you ss instead
but, if you were at 4 CPs with 6 opp, you would ps
balmy topaz
^^^^^^
mystic berry
But there is a opp visual
yeah, just that you have the buff active, it doesnt change if you have 6 stacks or 3
gaunt phoenix
there is also an optimization to SS at 1 cp instead of 3 opp
but that's not the biggest deal in the world
but i assume that log is following it
of course, you have no way of really seeing that from the timeline
normal quail
@gaunt phoenix have to assume you’re parsing super good on the dragons fight. Are you constant BF with bte focus macro? Or just focusing full on ST until add spawn.
Sorry niche q but fight is giving me headache fr
knotty moss
the priority is:
opportunity (with 6 stacks)
opportunity (with 3 stacks) when b...
Sorry had to jump in a work call, damn work interrupting my real life. Follow-up question 1. When you use AR and get those 2 extra base combo points (blue ones), do you always go for max 7 CB (so that it goes up to 9) BtE or do you still follow the 6+ logic?
now that im reading the logs it seems ideal rotation is: Spender -> one SS/Pistol -> spender -> one SS/Pistol. I could not get here when i had +6 dispatch rule. Gonna try it now with +5
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> have to assume you’re parsing super good on the dragons fi...
I haven't been raiding because of sudden IRL shit. I don't know the fight much at all
gaunt phoenix
Sorry had to jump in a work call, damn work interrupting my real life. Follow-up...
You follow the same finisher rule, you essentially don't need to see supercharger is active
gaunt phoenix
now that im reading the logs it seems ideal rotation is: Spender -> one SS/Pisto...
i think you're looking at it wrong
when you need to build cps, you build, when you need to spend cps, you spend
there is no concept of trying to build > spend > build > spend
sometimes you have to build twice, if SS doesn't proc, that is very expected
there's no significance of having to build once or twice on its own
if that makes sense
Outlaw is not scripted with its actions, your combo point generation is variable
final pagoda
Do we loot spec in sub during m+ if we have 1h sword crafted?
knotty moss
sometimes you have to build twice, if SS doesn't proc, that is very expected
yeah i was more referring to the high parses im looking at, obviously lucky opportunity procs on almost all sinisters. Kind of ideal situation is that every sinister procs opporunity
I tried it now with +5 dispatch rule and my god does the flow of the rotation improve
in a 5 minute single target rotation there is like a 10 second window with a bit of energy strapping but other than that seemed much better
arctic hollow
Do we loot spec in sub during m+ if we have 1h sword crafted?
Yes, better chances to drop other gear. Except Sarron if you already have a good off hand
Every other you benefit from removing MH weap from the pool
There are 5MH weapons and 3 Daggers in the total pool so it would also make sense to open the vault with a dagger spec. At least in my sims the ilevel of a 6/6 myth isnt worth it vs embelish
normal quail
Do we loot spec in sub during m+ if we have 1h sword crafted?
Pretty sure the only reason you’d spec outlaw for loot atm is if you’re about to kill mythic alleria / or have killed her and opening vault.
Obviously that’s if you have crafted 1h which I’m assuming you do
placid ocean
Yes, better chances to drop other gear. Except Sarron if you already have a good...
Wdym except Saron? That has our bis dagger
Oh wait I think I get what you're saying
empty tulip
Gaze of the Alnseer dropped and I lost the roll to our raid logging tank :' )
hero track
tired wolf
Suffering builds character
gaunt phoenix
Yeah, outlaw ain't getting that shit
inland acorn
Yeah, outlaw ain't getting that shit
Thats what bonus rolls are for, soon
mint ether
I have a stupid loaded dice question - I feel like I must not be understanding the ability correctly. I will have RTB up, use RTB again with loaded dice active, and then get the exact same level of buff
gaunt phoenix
yeah, it does not upgrade your existing roll
timid idol
they should allow outlaw to use cheat engine to balance the dps
mint ether
e.g., I have stage 2, loaded dice active, I RTB and get stage 2 again - is it not supposed to guarantee stage 3 or higher?
gaunt phoenix
you get a new roll, and then that new roll is elevated 1 stage higher than whatever it was going to be
inland acorn
Its stage 2 or higher
gaunt phoenix
nice
mint ether
I guess that's why the APL doesn't reroll immediately with loaded dice at lower stages
gaunt phoenix
yeah, you generally don't roll over stage 2 with loaded dice active, you still wait
mint ether
also had a question about BTE and AR - if you end up with a bunch of CP and both ready, is it better to AR and BTE and just eat the CP loss, or BTE first and then AR?
gaunt phoenix
however, you can roll over stage 2 if loaded dice is active and KIR is ready. it's something I need to add
mint ether
that makes sense
empty tulip
Gaze is bis for most specs I think
for sure, just our tank getting it who barely plays the game seems like the worst outcome
gaunt phoenix
also had a question about BTE and AR - if you end up with a bunch of CP and both...
neither. you dispatch and then AR BTE
so bte is buffed by supercharger
and then is very likely to reset and then be buffed by supercharger again
mint ether
ahhh ok
supercharger stronk, yes
the answer in situations like that is often "don't end up in a spot with lots of CP and BTE and AR ready"
but sometimes it seems to just happen organically
kind of had a similar question about CP waste and BF, but I can't imagine you ever want to finish in multitarget without BF active, so I assume you just press it
gaunt phoenix
yeah, you must bf if it's not active
inland acorn
No bf
gaunt phoenix
oh well if it's at max cps
inland acorn
No dam
gaunt phoenix
at like 3 targets. it's maybe better to refresh bf slightly early at low cps, as opposed to letting it go and then potentially having to slam it at max
timid idol
is it not good to bf on cd on big pulls for the free finisher
placid ocean
I think that's fine at 5+ enemies
timid idol
ye as long as its a free finisher no?
keen belfry
Bf is a great builder at high target counts yes
placid ocean
It's not really free since bf costs energy but yeah
timid idol
its less energy than getting unlucky with triple threat and having to ss 10 times 
gaunt phoenix
you bf on cd at 4 targets yes
gaunt phoenix
but at 2-3 it's a bit weird
timid idol
ye its too few then
not worth the amount of points instead of just using normal builders
prisma heron
Am I not doing bte before blade rush because you don’t want to delay getting extra casts off? Curious why we wouldn’t want the bte dmg buff
gaunt phoenix
generally BR as a cooldown has priority or you lose cdr
- it gives a buff from tier set
prisma heron
Also the positional for BF. Is it based on my position or the enemy? Especially with bte when I have to step out for mechanics in m+ do I wait until im back in melee range to send?
gaunt phoenix
it's your position
arctic hollow
i got one
Speaking of you getting one, i noticed you got the Shasow dot Necklace, i assume you got it for Sub and dont have better for Outlaw, but just to be sure, we dont have any way to proc it right ?
vivid vessel
i didnt know that !
arctic hollow
Ohhh !
vivid vessel
Speaking of you getting one, i noticed you got the Shasow dot Necklace, i assume...
i got it from vault tho
gaunt phoenix
big 0.5%
gaunt phoenix
yeah it's just rppm, so tails should max it
mighty pivot
trickster in shambles
vivid vessel
actually doing more on outlaw
arctic hollow
Insane, gonna ninja it from my SP tonight then
arctic hollow
no need for shadow oil either
vivid vessel
why would you proc it less as sub
it proc on every finisher
no
0️⃣
maybe i got unlucky on sub idk its weird
vivid vessel
over all saladar pulls
maybe just unlucky on the 2 kills i did
it lowe rolled
but ye i didnt expect for the trinket to work on outlaw
its prolly bis then
if you can build stats around it
tired rune
tuby
balmy topaz
Tuby rename
tired rune
balmy topaz
vivid vessel
balmy topaz
I finally timed
AA today
Or was it yday
I can’t remember
But I honestly hate that key zac
balmy topaz
Honestly playing double outlaw tho
On 2nd boss MC
Is pain
Me and Zac were struggling to keep up BF
balmy topaz
Seeing
balmy topaz
vivid vessel
look clip
i have adr + jackpot
and i cant sustain my gcds
adr drop and im at 0 again
kired jackpot btw
keen belfry
maybe try reading #outlaw-faq for builder prio
balmy topaz
maybe try reading <#856897810536071208> for builder prio
!!!
Sick tip!
Also make feint 0 energy already please
vivid vessel
i legit cannot press feint in keys rn
balmy topaz
Ye that’s what I mean
vivid vessel
and outlaw is the squshiest spec in the game
so
gg
last boss skyreach
outlaw cant survive
not even cpaping
i dont htink i live it in like
2/3 key level
keen belfry
zac u said we get like 10% ST from funnel, is that just being able to press BF as a builder
balmy topaz
I did 17 and it was sketchy
vivid vessel
zac u said we get like 10% ST from funnel, is that just being able to press BF a...
yes
placid ocean
I did a key with a sub rogue yesterday and thought I was doing ok damage because I was keeping up with them. Then I looked at their ilvl and died inside.
placid ocean
I used to love sub
balmy topaz
Saw sub was doing bad week 1 without their tier set so buff them
Then when they get tier set they are giga
Also why don’t blizzard just give us aoe blind back
keen belfry
.5
keen belfry
banger
icy hare
!fuu
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river wing
Till.5
because that would, gasp, upset the season's balance (i.e. the situation where Rogue is terminally shit at utility on an unprecedented level)
vivid vessel
how come it didnt upset the season balance when they took it out mid week in an hotfix
lime lake
river wing
because clearly it was a bugfix, it wasn't supposed to aoe since beta (it did and everyone thought it was supposed to be that way and the text was wrong)
ngl sometimes I really wonder why are we stuck with this end of the stick
like you don't see them randomly deleting BL from hunter's pets
karmic stag
AoE blind should just be base anyway and not a talent like they want. We are basically doing pocket sand, nearby people are going to get sand in their eyes wether they were the intended target or not
Fixing our issues by making new talents to fix a bad base is a terrible way to do things
silver venture
because that would, gasp, upset the season's balance (i.e. the situation where R...
at least we can turn off energy gates at nexus point xenas 
trail scaffold
any1 know if their is any bugs with blade flurry?
river wing
Fixing our issues by making new talents to fix a bad base is a terrible way to d...
tbh that's like
half the class design these days
not everyone's
but there are other classes than Rogue who also have this issue
vivid vessel
any1 know if their is any bugs with blade flurry?
not relevant ones
if you are doing old raids
and you kill a target
proven ocean
Hi xac
vivid vessel
teh killing blow wont flurry
river wing
any1 know if their is any bugs with blade flurry?
yeah if you hit a target and kill it, BF doesn't cleave the killing blow
vivid vessel
hi ross
trail scaffold
yeah if you hit a target and kill it, BF doesn't cleave the killing blow
alright thx
craggy quiver
placid ocean
Blizzard should bring back old acrobatic strikes
static crescent
3% aura buff will be announced on friday and il take it like a man
river wing
Blizzard should bring back old acrobatic strikes
ain't no way it happens
melee are second-class citizens and should know their place in the world of rangecraft
frail veldt
asking cuz in my sim it does so i was weirded out by that lol
Can you link that cuz it shouldn't
grave rose
the priority is:
opportunity (with 6 stacks)
opportunity (with 3 stacks) when b...
I need to tattoo this on the back of my hand lol
prisma heron
Any outlaw rogue streaming PvP that anyone knows of? Or anyone that has m+ key videos? Bored as f at work and most of my meetings got canceled today
gaunt phoenix
there is no obvious gain to delay it in sim
frail veldt
Any outlaw rogue streaming PvP that anyone knows of? Or anyone that has m+ key v...
Not really
vivid vessel
if you dont delay it you would bte again in the first adr and then potentially you dont have it ready for second adr
frail veldt
Outlaw is very unpopular in pvp and not very strong rn
vivid vessel
if you delay it you often have time to farm bte before end of first adr
then you can send it
and when bte loop end you reset
which feels kinda nice
tho idk how relevant it is really
soft abyss
yeah it feels nice , but probably no big diff in dps
light falcon
playing outlaw is like buying gold, only issue is whether its 2000 or 2021
maybe you see great returns maybe you spend 20% of your life waiting to breakeven
patent mirage
when buffs
unkempt iris
i cant wait till blizzard hires someone on their team that actually plays rogue instead of using the DH intern
only class not brought to race, all 3 specs are at best mid tier on wcl stats, completely untouched for the 31st class tuning
unkempt iris
when buffs
essentially never, rogue so stealthy the dev team forgot about them
patent mirage
most likely
unkempt iris
i knew rogue was dead when i saw the sub changes going into this expac
proves that blizzard doesnt know what to do with the class as a whole
severe charm
just wait for the ninja nurf's to our tier set tuesday, because we do too much in keys or some dumb shit
sterile dune
Yeah but at what cost?
unkempt iris
which is so stupid... with aoe blind gone now we legit have like no utility, all we can do is dps, so why are we stuck doing NO dps AND bringing nothing to the table
rogues are never being brought into pug groups this season thats for sure
cinder relic
i cant wait till blizzard hires someone on their team that actually plays rogue ...
Idt this has anything to do with tuning js
severe charm
i'm litterly in a guild where the officers think rogues are sandbagging, and are perfectly fine...
sterile dune
Trading it for no util, no aoe cc, poop ST, no surviveability dks have way more tankyness and rarely have to pop their ”get me out of jail” cds or passives
Its like can we at least keep the mythic cleave decent?
If they nerf even that
Thats ot
It
sterile dune
We legit have nothing bro
unkempt iris
yeah rogue is pretty tanky, BUT only on rot/aoe dmg
sterile dune
yeah rogue is pretty tanky, BUT only on rot/aoe dmg
Play plate classes with 500k hp
unkempt iris
and it requires pressing something, many classes do have some form of passive DR where we dont
sterile dune
Plate classes
magic steppe
rogue best tanking
severe charm
don't forget our defensive we have to use constantly also costs us our resource for damage lol
sterile dune
More armor
magic steppe
feint best cd
sterile dune
We dont even have dodge anymore
polar kelp
which is so stupid... with aoe blind gone now we legit have like no utility, all...
We are getting aoe blind back
sterile dune
Bro
unkempt iris
DK is too tanky, braindead levels of survivablity
cinder relic
don't forget our defensive we have to use constantly also costs us our resource ...
It's also the single strongest defensive in the game
unkempt iris
but rogue is really tanky
severe charm
It's also the single strongest defensive in the game
it is but we sac damage for it in some cases
cinder relic
Rogue sucks but can we at least be accurate when we complain
left jay
The only time survivability ever feels like an issue as Rogue is when you're doing insanely high keystone levels, unless you're doing that, it's absolutely fine. If anything I feel very safe because Feint is OP, Cheat Death is OP, Cloak is OP and Evasion is situationally OP
unkempt iris
We are getting aoe blind back
still not enough, they'll just put 3 dungeons in the pool that have elementals and mechs as the mobs so we cant blind them anyways 😄
sterile dune
Rogue sucks but can we at least be accurate when we complain
We are not tanky
cinder relic
it is but we sac damage for it in some cases
Yes, but again, it's the single best defensive cd in the game
cinder relic
We are not tanky
Rogue is tanky what are u on abt
arctic hollow
Rogue tank dead
Swashbuckler for 12.1 dont worry bro 
sterile dune
Rogue is tanky what are u on abt
Negative
cinder relic
Okay
sterile dune
Feint aint permanent
cinder relic
U r just wrong
sterile dune
Costs energy
severe charm
I mean idk about you guys, but i'm useally the last person to die in a wipe
cinder relic
What class has a permanent dr
unkempt iris
yeah man rogue is really tanky
cinder relic
Warrior in dstance?
left jay
Feint aint permanent
if feint isn't made permanent, rogue sucks 🔥 🔥 🔥
magic steppe
complaining about rogue tanking when u can be last xdamage taken on anyboss in the game is insane
just press ur defensiv
unkempt iris
2 feints, evasion, best CD in cloak, cheat death or the superior elusiveness, we dont die
polar kelp
I don't get why people are so broken about outlaw....sure maybe we aren't top damage for mythic prog or race to world first....but for the average or above average gamer we are completely fine. I'm topping heroic raid dps and doing 13's topping dps in keys with no issue.....stop always doom complaining and play the damn pirate
cinder relic
In m+ it depends
left jay
I don't get why people are so broken about outlaw....sure maybe we aren't top da...
fr man Outlaw is rarely great in raid numbers wise I'm just happy to be having a blast and at least in my raid team I'm not lagging behind at all I don't even have 4 set yet and I'm among the top on all three Mythic bosses we've done so far
unkempt iris
I don't get why people are so broken about outlaw....sure maybe we aren't top da...
my issue is i have to burn through my fingertips AND rely on good rng to have the class function, where classes like frost mage, devo DH are literally braindead simple and they ECLIPSE us, WHILE bring raid buffs and utility
arctic hollow
Tanking a whole pack for 10s while the tank release and runs back then Trick of the trade vanish and go back to the usual gameplay, we have some nice survivability tool
vivid vessel
Yes, but again, it's the single best defensive cd in the game
and yet rogue is prolly the squishiest spec in the game on some things
so idk
im plauying last boss skyreach i cant even survive it
perma dot on me
polar kelp
my issue is i have to burn through my fingertips AND rely on good rng to have th...
Then play something else lol
vivid vessel
every other spec in the game is better
keen belfry
zac vexamus mana bombs, what level alge have u done
left jay
my issue is i have to burn through my fingertips AND rely on good rng to have th...
well that's the shtick with outlaw always has been
unkempt iris
Then play something else lol
i dont want to, i like rogue class fantasy and have played it forever, just a shame that blizzard spits on it
keen belfry
every mana bomb thing on vexamus scares the shit out of me
vivid vessel
zac vexamus mana bombs, what level alge have u done
idk 16?
left jay
i dont want to, i like rogue class fantasy and have played it forever, just a sh...
outlaw is the best rogue spec design in the history of wow
polar kelp
^^
vivid vessel
its the orbs to soak or
unkempt iris
just the lack of utility
vivid vessel
usuallyt tank soak most
keen belfry
the drops
unkempt iris
or raid buffs
left jay
huh
vivid vessel
hm idk relativelyu alright
left jay
but we bring a raid buff and we have a lot of utility?
unkempt iris
atrophic is barely a raid buff
and also
it matters so little, it wasnt even brought to race
vivid vessel
but we bring a raid buff and we have a lot of utility?
what?
severe charm
atrophic is just really shitty in this raid
unkempt iris
and we literally have zero utility
left jay
it's still a raid buff and idk my guild appreciates it they recruited me for it
wooden pilot
every other spec in the game is better
my mage friend begs to differ
left jay
not all classes have raid buffs so the fact we bring anything at all is an advantage
im not sure why you look at it as a disadvantage?
polar kelp
and we literally have zero utility
In keys you undervalue how good tricks is in ANY pug....let alone 3 stops
magic steppe
are we getting a damage buff next week ?
left jay
and we literally have zero utility
what do you define as utility?
magic steppe
got benched cause outlaw bad 😢
vivid vessel
my mage friend begs to differ
i mean tbf itsnot even an arguemnt you could watch that zorthas video
he explained difference in defensives and passive defensive verfy well
was well documented
cinder relic
atrophic is just really shitty in this raid
Atrophic is fine in this raid its just rogue does 0 damage
unkempt iris
what do you define as utility?
stops, raid buffs/debuffs that actually have value (chaos brand, skyfury, mark, etc), brez, lust, list goes on
cinder relic
Atrophic is good on paladins, the issue is rogue is unplayable
severe charm
mages gotta be the biggest sandbaggers, we litterly have an arcane mage that just dumpsters everyone. and he's getting a 15% buff tuesday...
polar kelp
mages gotta be the biggest sandbaggers, we litterly have an arcane mage that jus...
Il agree with that, they buffed the wrong "frost" class. Have you seen DK lol
cinder relic
not all classes have raid buffs so the fact we bring anything at all is an advan...
I think at this point literally every class has a raid buff, and also group utility
unkempt iris
our only stop is kidney, which costs cp and is a gcd on a 30 sec cd, our kick doesnt generate anything when it does for ret, DK (which is also ranged)
wooden pilot
Atrophic is good on paladins, the issue is rogue is unplayable
I mean except it kinda doesn’t even work on last boss…
cinder relic
I mean except it kinda doesn’t even work on last boss…
It does
random stirrup
I think at this point literally every class has a raid buff, and also group util...
guy how busted do you think these changes would be: poison dispel (targetable throw a vial at someone) + atro gets 1.5% damage + concentrated atro with shiv as a group dr like aura mastery + aoe kidney (maybe make this 50% duration like blind)
unkempt iris
at the end of the day, rogue is the black sheep, the ginger child of the classes, simple as that
severe charm
you mean you don't like getting auto targeted for the heal absorb and just falling over on paladins
polar kelp
our only stop is kidney, which costs cp and is a gcd on a 30 sec cd, our kick do...
You have kidney, blind, kick, and if really needed cheap shot? Bosses like in spire with the bird dragging friends or the bird add....you can 7 second kidney them everytime which is massive
cinder relic
guy how busted do you think these changes would be: poison dispel (targetable th...
I only like the last if it like 5xd the shiv cd.
polar kelp
Other classes have 1-2
cinder relic
But I think it'd be cool
random stirrup
I only like the last if it like 5xd the shiv cd.
ye it would def be a talent to increase cd
maybe 3mins
polar kelp
Yea we get ours back
vivid vessel
st ccs been useless for a good while
polar kelp
They fucked on that, I agree
unkempt iris
You have kidney, blind, kick, and if really needed cheap shot? Bosses like in sp...
kidney is good i wotn dispute that, depsite being awkard to use
cheap shot is not a viable use case, only for outlaw
blind doesnt work on all enemy types so you're at mercy for that
kick is ironically the worst kick in the game
unkempt iris
would you rather have a 2-3 sec longer lockout (arguably more important in pvp) or generating resource?
vivid vessel
warrior has a talent that reduce it when you kick i think
unkempt iris
oh yeah pummel sucks
vivid vessel
its shorter cd
unkempt iris
i forgot
random stirrup
would you rather have a 2-3 sec longer lockout (arguably more important in pvp) ...
lockout easily
severe charm
uh warrior litterly has a shorter interrupt & commanding shout
unkempt iris
yeah no kick is the worst than
severe charm
and an aoe stop
cinder relic
See rogue sucks but I feel we don't need to invent things
unkempt iris
lockout doesnt matter, if your group is good you dont need a lockout because you have 4 other kicks typically
cinder relic
If a group is good you don't need -5 on a kick then
random stirrup
it helps a lot with grouping or if you want to pull more mobs
unkempt iris
im noy saying they should reinvent the class, but its evident that every class gets QoL and more thought out design where rogue does not
stoic crown
I mean, we already have blind, just make kick a pocket sand situation
obsidian light
quick question, if i have the ranger captains mark trinket should i be waiting to get BTE dmg stacks to send it?
random stirrup
at least rogue has step (well non outlaw) to guarantee it idk how warriors do it
cinder relic
quick question, if i have the ranger captains mark trinket should i be waiting t...
Just send on cd
south island
uh warrior litterly has a shorter interrupt & commanding shout
What is commanding shout?
cinder relic
at least rogue has step (well non outlaw) to guarantee it idk how warriors do it
Charge
unkempt iris
at least rogue has step (well non outlaw) to guarantee it idk how warriors do it
outlaw doesnt
obsidian light
Just send on cd
aight thanks goat
wintry solar
have yall ever decided to just chill and enjoy the game?
random stirrup
rip old grapple
severe charm
my issue with the current way things are, is we are a pure dps class. there is no excuse at least 1 of our specs should compete with the like top 5 dps,
cinder relic
have yall ever decided to just chill and enjoy the game?
In here? No
unkempt iris
have yall ever decided to just chill and enjoy the game?
i cant because i cant get invited to groups
because rogue SUCKS
unkempt iris
i play both
severe charm
there isn't alot of pure dps classes, so like why should all 3 of our specs be dumpster fires
unkempt iris
sub is so boring now, no fun to play after the changes
random stirrup
idk i wouldn't say im getting invited particularly often on sub even while just farming 10s
severe charm
the other pure dps have 1 top dps spec, always do
unkempt iris
1?
lmao
mage has 2 rn, and fire still isnt bad
hunter has 2 competitive specs rn
severe charm
i'm saying have at least 1
severe charm
all 3 hunter specs are competitive surv just requires knowing how to play it
unkempt iris
i dont think BM is that good in raid, but the buffs will help
but MM is meta warping, on vanguard primarily
wooden pilot
It does
kinda, it works if you hit her - but you’re not hitting her the whole time so it’s just not active sometimes just sadge
unless there’s tech
unkempt iris
and again all the dps specs bring very important stuff to raids... hunter's mark, AI, 2 of them have lust, Warlock gate... atrophic posion
cinder relic
kinda, it works if you hit her - but you’re not hitting her the whole time so it...
On mythic doesn't melee on hit alleria
cinder relic
and again all the dps specs bring very important stuff to raids... hunter's mark...
I mean atrophic is good
The issue is that rogue is bad
The sole reason a ret paladin gets brought to paladins, is because dev aura is worth it
The issue is that rogue does no fucking damage on that fight
unkempt iris
i will say this, i think atrophic is only good for the very high levels of gameplay
cuz i do agree
random stirrup
The issue is that rogue is bad
if your raid buff isn't reason alone to always bring your class regardless of tuning that raid buff is bad 
unkempt iris
if your raid buff isn't reason alone to always bring your class regardless of tu...
^
cinder relic
if your raid buff isn't reason alone to always bring your class regardless of tu...
I think atrophic should be better
unkempt iris
warlock could literally be the bottom of the barrel, all 3 specs, complete trash and they would be brought to every boss because they have gate
same with hunter for mark
wintry solar
I think outlaw should be best all the time but im just a one trick whos extremely biased
wooden pilot
I think outlaw should be best all the time but im just a one trick whos extremel...
based true and real
wintry solar
at least in M+
unkempt iris
i think outlaw should have gauranteed jackpots every roll, 15% haste buff for group, and a lust
boom
wintry solar
i think outlaw should have gauranteed jackpots every roll, 15% haste buff for gr...
take your cut called...
random stirrup
same with hunter for mark
it's purely a dk/evoker/pala/rogue issue
wintry solar
he says he misses us
random stirrup
arguably lock too
unkempt iris
he says he misses us
😭
cinder relic
I mean hunters mark buff is genuinely sickening
severe charm
when the rl is looking at what to cut, the first thing cut is always atrophic
cinder relic
They took hunters mark, a decent raid buff, and turned it into the best dps raid buff, and you need multiple hunters for multi target fights
random stirrup
yeah hunter's mark change means hunter is legit always going to be 1 minimum maybe more
no other class works that way
the other raid buffs that incentivize stacking also are conditional to bring even 1
like dk, warlock
karmic stag
i think outlaw should have gauranteed jackpots every roll, 15% haste buff for gr...
Real talk, why doesn’t Outlaw just roll all Jackpots? We are clearly rolling dice against ourselves, why not rig the dice every time? Are we just dumb?
unkempt iris
idk man a lot of classes are always at least brought for one of them
wooden pilot
what was the talent they killed? boarding party? That was the cook
wintry solar
what was the talent they killed? boarding party? That was the cook
Take Your Cut
unkempt iris
Real talk, why doesn’t Outlaw just roll all Jackpots? We are clearly rolling dic...
^^^ we're pirates, dont pirates... yknow?? cheat?
wintry solar
group haste on RtB
random stirrup
if the fight doesnt have grippable adds you might not bring dk depending on tuning but now you legit always bring hunter and maybe also need multiple 
ok
wooden pilot
oh yeah that was perma mini bloodlust
good good
realz was tryna sneak that in for us
unkempt iris
honestly, i think outlaw having old HaT combo point generation would go miles for the spec and make sense
could be the new Take your cut tbh
wintry solar
Boarding Party would be hella fun though in mythics
unkempt iris
Boarding Party would be hella fun though in mythics
^^^
wooden pilot
I can’t keep my talent names straight too many removed talents
cinder relic
unkempt iris
just give outlaw honor among thieves called take your cut and ill be happy
wintry solar
theyre also pvp talents so theyre predestined to be lesser known
wooden pilot
wait yeah I was thinking of this too
random stirrup
can u imagine this made it to live
wooden pilot
So insane imagine
random stirrup
patent mirage
i remember when restless crew was announced people lost their shit about it
cinder relic
can u imagine this made it to live
Imagine a world where outlaw was the default raid spec
wintry solar
can u imagine this made it to live
thatd be great for us, would never have to wait in queues again
everyone else not so much but idc about them
random stirrup
Imagine a world where outlaw was the default raid spec
dont have to imagine bub i'm an outlaw now
back to my roots
cinder relic
Beast mode
gaunt phoenix
random stirrup
Beast mode
me when i go beast mode
unkempt iris
me when i go beast mode
vivid vessel
i kinda blasted that guy
vivid vessel
i mean
unkempt iris
no it 100% is
vivid vessel
what if you have adr align with adds pops
unique bridge
they should bring this back
vivid vessel
or rtb
unkempt iris
the longer the boss, the worse outlaw gets
unkempt iris
yup
vivid vessel
chimaerus might be the most rng boss this tier for outlaw
vivid vessel
i certainly would not play outlaw on chimaerus
i think its good to not wipe
karmic stag
Outlaw and RNG? Sounds like it’s the best boss imo
vivid vessel
all 3 specs are bad on that boss imo
unkempt iris
this reset on h chim, i got the dispell and didnt get dispelled for literally an entire adrenaline rush window, then they got mad when my dps was LOW
karmic stag
that’s our class design after all
vivid vessel
but outlaw will always have damage when swapping to big add
random stirrup
all 3 specs are bad on that boss imo
hmm yes like every boss
vivid vessel
and outlaw cna grapple to kick fear
so i think its better
if the objective is to kill boss
sub prolly does more damage
random stirrup
our big add was never remotely close to living so i was a boss damage merchant
big cheap shots on fear guy
cinder relic
I think if they are going to turn hunters mark from an okay raid buff to the best, and requires multiple for aoe fights, atrophic should be better
cinder relic
Thank u
vivid vessel
np
cinder relic
I just have so much time to tweet on the bench
prisma heron
Im always enjoying my outlaw rogue until I pop in here with all the doom and gloom
cinder relic
Im always enjoying my outlaw rogue until I pop in here with all the doom and glo...
Rogue is super fun rn
Like genuinely I have a lot of fun playing rogue
slim hare
the "guardian druid suck" wowhead post
cinder relic
My issue specifically with rogue is being a bench warmer
For mythic prog
Because rogue damage is mid and this raid is sooooooo caster weighted
random stirrup
is gn playing any rogue for paladins
cinder relic
the "guardian druid suck" wowhead post
LOL
slim hare
x)
random stirrup
i might be joining the lads on the bench too
mint ether
paladins seems like the one fight where atrophic would be most useful
low glade
yeah, I really like rogue atm
cinder relic
is gn playing any rogue for paladins
We were going to. Then fsy tried a rogue, he did 0 fucking damage, they sat him. And then they killed the boss
LOLOLOL
random stirrup
hmm ye
low glade
praying for another 5% love soon
random stirrup
its good for my personal gains
gaunt phoenix
outlaw on vanguard is so sad
low glade
that BP nerf before raid was Beast Mode from blizz
random stirrup
i still have yet to send myth craft so I get to sandbag another week
slim hare
any rogue on vanguard is sad
severe charm
maybe the last boss will be the giga rogue boss
cinder relic
Tbf I think they only ran 2 hunters so they swapped a rogue for a hunter but like
Dude ranged is so overtuned on these fights its making me vomit in my mouth
random stirrup
if i do play im literally just going to run around shivving the guy doing damage to make sure atrophic is up
its gonna be great
vivid vessel
im gonna play outlaw on vanguard
random stirrup
livelord + atro bot
vivid vessel
you guys are all noobs
cinder relic
livelord + atro bot
Damn, so a 3rd tank?
narrow pasture
bold of you to assume youre gonna play?
mint ether
in theory the 2-3 target extended cleave is an assassination niche but
random stirrup
Damn, so a 3rd tank?
yes
mint ether
the tuning right now is too dogshit
vivid vessel
wtf
random stirrup
but I apply atrophic!
mighty pivot
in preparation for rogue tank spec