is it really possible for a m+ season to be scuffed tho
#outlaw
glass mortar
static crescent
I mean somehow the shit that kills you vs. hp mob pools are really bizarre
glass mortar
i feel like the benifit of an infinite ramping difficulty is when dungeons are this easy, it just means the players who want a challenge will be doing +30s or w/e
eternal hound
Ya know Bro
glass mortar
while +10s for ur weekly will be a breeze
static crescent
like timing shit shit just doesnt seem to depend on the output as much as the fact you live
I liked it more doing like arakara 16 for the first time with 3 deaths and didnt time it, then optimizing out of that
glass mortar
i mean keys like that r still gunna exist
it would just be a +20 instead of a +16 this time
i dont mind the keys i need to do for my 8 vault being much easier
static crescent
yeah maybe, im just wondering if class defensives are just gonna be more of a thing then before
Its even harder to balance that
glass mortar
yea i mean classes have less defensive capabilities then before so
living could become a limiting factor even earlier then before
which would be bad
static crescent
for rogues thats super bad
ie.
We have very little defensives for certain kinds of things
glass mortar
if u were getting cut off at key difficulties like +20 because u had way more then enough damage for it but it was impossible for healers to make checks that would def feel lame
static crescent
Still a bit early and im still having fun but im a little sus seeing the 14 range how its playing out
sturdy crow
I wish AR buff timer stacked, would feel so sick getting cdr on it immediately after prep. Would probably lead to chaining the third AR
novel birch
I do wish it had a higher up time
sturdy crow
I do wish it had a higher up time
We probably get back to 90% up time at some point this expac, more stays and any cp based tier set would do it
glass mortar
i mean it would take something extending duration or giving hyper cdr to get back to 90% lol
we are at like 35-40% rn
and there isnt that much space for cdr to grow with stats, we are close to saturated on haste already
it would take an extreme item effect to happen, and they purposefully moved us waaaaaaay back from the 95% ar uptime we had last expac
i dont see it getting anywhere close to that this expac
fathom bramble
I wish AR buff timer stacked, would feel so sick getting cdr on it immediately a...
yeah this is something they should have done a long time ago...
fathom bramble
AR has been castable during AR on multiple occasions including when we had celerity
and it has just never done this
meanwhile ret got it almost immediately with wings when they had random wings procs
and DH has it too
quaint mauve
eternal hound
I mean not even
eternal hound
We're 4 manning this shit because warrior rage quitr
AND evreyone is a moron Myself included
glass mortar
oof
thats a toxic af boss to 4 man
fight difficulty scales annoyingly with duration because of the perma orb spawns
novel birch
What dungie you doing?
novel birch
Oh Algathar?
eternal hound
YUP
novel birch
That dungeon just kinda blows peckers
glass mortar
if u gotta fight that boss for like 5 minutes (cause missing 1/3rd of ur whole parties dps) then u just end up with so many bomb puddles dropped ur spawning 5000 balls that all nearly 1 shot people if they arent geared up
eternal hound
+10
glass mortar
its such an annoying boss to 4 man
(we did this last week when our pug dps quit in a guild key 
)
glass mortar
yea they were hitting me for 95%
my other friend was like 265 ilvl already so it was 80% hp for him
if they had 1 shot us we never woulda completed it
cause we were def eating balls there was too many to dodge
crimson scarab
(we did this last week when our pug dps quit in a guild key <:lul:58573927754838...
Gotta love the wow community
eternal hound
'Yeah
glass mortar
its funny cause we actually 4 manned several bosses and even a dungeon or two from the second to last boss last week
and most of them didnt even feel that bad
they just repeat the same mechanics for 5 minutes with no real ramping
the other sketchy one was the last boss of seat
we had like 70 stacks by the time we killed it and our healer was crying
fierce trout
How to fix input lag?
snow hill
So like, I fucking hate Blizzard. Doing tank damage or just above on most Heroic Raid bosses. Sub Rogue in the raid team not much better off and his parses are 90+%. fkn rip.
left jay
the more I play outlaw in mythic the more i love it i was so wrong about the rework
i mean it's still not as good as crackshot
snow hill
Thats the worst part, outlaw is pretty good in keys. Raid sucks
left jay
but i'm feeling powerful and having fun preparation is a super fun ability
left jay
Thats the worst part, outlaw is pretty good in keys. Raid sucks
im on about raid
i mean i'm loving it in both
olive marten
but i'm feeling powerful and having fun preparation is a super fun ability
its good, but idk about fun. Doesnt really add much to gameplay and its cd is long af lol
left jay
its good, but idk about fun. Doesnt really add much to gameplay and its cd is lo...
it adds a lot I feel absolutely stacked on good rolls thanks to it
feel like I never run out of energy when I bring that
extra adrenaline rush time i mean this is awesome how could it not be fun
static crescent
feels like dog shit to me flow wise
steep shell
sub or outlaw, wich one is more easy for dps in m+?
static crescent
sub
outlaw isnt like super hard or anything, but defo will be easy to learn sub fast
frail veldt
you might be missing more than you think
relative to most specs/rotations rn outlaw is still on the far end of difficulty
speaking about difficulty non relative to the other specs is pointless
getting ahead of that
steep shell
outlaw fantasy is amazing but m do low dps
frail veldt
before someone goes "all the specs are easy"
static crescent
Yeah, but to be fair its quite ok to play at casual level for anyone, and i assume a person asking that question isnt pushing tittle or involved in RWF
static crescent
Yeah, fair, just not the advertisement I would give that its insanely difficult when everything is just relative to what your doing
frail veldt
well relative to what youre doing itll be one of the more difficult specs still
regardless
steep shell
outlwar is doing good dps in m+?
frail veldt
mid dps
static crescent
It depends on many things too, it suffers in mega big pulls
but at my mid-range keys im feeling comfortable, just can only play with "team", not really popular to get invited right now in my experience
frail veldt
sub is prob better than outlaw in keys rn yeah
sub is also probably the easiest of the 3 atm
eternal hound
Sub is probally one of the easiest specs in the game rn
frail veldt
ye for sure
steep shell
tysm for answers
static crescent
id die without it
undone notch
I decided to go back to trickster in M+ and immediately started doing more damage
What is wrong with me bruh
frigid pelican
is eyes of the eagle enchant bugged ?cause i thought it gave 1% crit
lavish shoal
leaden sonnet
sturdy crow
I decided to go back to trickster in M+ and immediately started doing more damag...
Not on boss you didint š
When are we getting that trickster buff anyway, I really miss doing the routing for my tank
undone notch
In the 0.5 patch
daring yoke
can delve drop a 3/6 heroic?
undone notch
Iām a little unsure how fazed will stack w blade flurry though
In theory, you should get +24% damage from 3 stacks of fazed from your main target, which would boost the damage of blade flurry
But then blade flurry damage would stack fazed too
eternal hound
Would that make trickster better for keys?
undone notch
The cloud cover buff would be an about 13% damage increase on your main target during the stacking fazed duration and assuming that blade flurry damage also is boosted by fazed (and I donāt see why it wouldnāt be), would be about 40% more damage on cleave targets
Iām not a pro math person but I think it should be around there?
static crescent
@vivid vessel what is that green cross on top of your char, what addon?
vivid vessel
weak aura
vivid vessel
gaunt phoenix
wa 
frail veldt
The cloud cover buff would be an about 13% damage increase on your main target d...
Don't think it is
Bladeflurry damage isn't boosted by damage amps to the primary target usually
Like ghostly strike didn't boost bladeflurry
Fazed does improve the damage of the targets hit by your bladeflurry though
glass mortar
they arent effected by debuffs on targets
frail veldt
So there's value in having fazed applied for the targets in our AOE
glass mortar
yea if its a debuff it wont benifit ur cleave % damage from bf
frail veldt
When they add this talent
undone notch
Iām holding out hope
frail veldt
Who knows
undone notch
Do it blizz
glass mortar
it will however actually effect the direct damage BF does
which is why Kspree applying fazed in aoe
frail veldt
It doesn't currently though
mighty pivot
yes bf is improved by fazed (but doesn't double dip with your main target's fazed)
frail veldt
So
glass mortar
has some value
frail veldt
yes bf is improved by fazed (but doesn't double dip with your main target's faze...
Yeah have to have fazed on the targets hit by the bladeflurry damage
glass mortar
it was actually technically an aoe nerf for trickster back when they reworked kspree
frail veldt
So will the new talent aoe apply is the question
undone notch
yes bf is improved by fazed (but doesn't double dip with your main target's faze...
Cloud cover would allow for that then, right?
glass mortar
u cast it less often now so u have less aoe fazed uptime
glass mortar
aoe fazed does amp BF to each fazed target
frail veldt
Cloud cover would allow for that then, right?
Only if you can aoe apply the stacks
undone notch
Only if you can aoe apply the stacks
Thatās how the current iteration works
glass mortar
but it didnt matter anyway
mighty pivot
Cloud cover would allow for that then, right?
what do you mean by that
undone notch
Dunno why it would change
merry harness
How many sparks should I have right now if I used none?
undone notch
what do you mean by that
Applying Fazed to all targets hit by BF
mighty pivot
that won't affect whether it double dips or not
undone notch
I donāt see why it wouldnāt though
mighty pivot
basically each target is affected by its own fazed stacks only. Whether it's your main target or a bf splash
frail veldt
Thatās how the current iteration works
Correct only through ks
undone notch
If BF is the thing applying fazed, I donāt see why itās damage wouldnāt be amped
frail veldt
If BF is the thing applying fazed, I donāt see why itās damage wouldnāt be amped
It's KS through bf
undone notch
Correct only through ks
The current cloud cover still lets you apply fazed to all targets hit though
undone notch
Itās just on a fixed 90 sec CD and doesnāt stack
frail veldt
The current cloud cover still lets you apply fazed to all targets hit though
Oh then maybe not sure if that stays
undone notch
Theyāre just making CC proc off of Adrenaline Rush and stack fazed
frail veldt
We have no idea what they will do
They don't have exactly a good track record for stuff functioning as you'd expect
undone notch
*Trickster
Cloud Cover has been updated ā Activating Adrenaline Rush creates a cloud of smoke for 10 seconds, allowing attacks from within the cloud to apply Fazed, stacking up to 2 additional times. Effect persists for 10 seconds after leaving the cloud.
frail veldt
I mean who knows they could even remove KSes aoe application
when they do this change
undone notch
Itās for the .5 patch
glass mortar
max is what 5 now?
i wonder how bf applies it in aoe with that talent
if its just the initial hit its quite irrelevant imo
but if its all the hits that would be quite a bit of amp to bf for the poop duration
mighty pivot
to clarify by "it doesn't double dip" I meant if you hit for 100 with a 5% fazed on your main target (for convenience) you'd hit your main target for 105, but your bf would splash as if you hit for 100
gaunt phoenix
it's better for pushing
waxen scarab
it's better for pushing
with huge diff?
gaunt phoenix
no
mighty pivot
if your bf splash targets also have fazed, then that damage is amped as expected
novel birch
https://youtu.be/XDTIicbNOQE?si=kA8iXq0h03uyBN
Mfw Warrior gets buffs but rogue doesn't š
vivid vessel
i wish wow could have mogs like that
mighty pivot
they wiill update the notes tomorrow with rogue stuff no worries
mighty pivot
you struggled in +10s though
vivid vessel
true ..
vivid vessel
dont care
trickster is bad
good
i wont play trickster
fatebound is legit the only fun part about outlaw rn
glass mortar
its so shit to play...
vivid vessel
everything else is so boring
glass mortar
5 cp dispatch finish forever
cinder relic
i have been blasting keys
Outlaw feels legit in keys and its fun 
vivid vessel
im having
the worse energy issues
i ever had
with this versiojn of outlaw tho
spec is legit unplayable on 2 target
its never been this bad
very frustrating
thorny mural
finna come back after 2 years is outlaw buttcheeks now
glass mortar
any fight where ur maintaining BF on 2 target and need to feint to live
its so noticable
the tax
random stirrup
the worse energy issues
when does it get better
vivid vessel
not even feinting
mighty pivot
tea charges are gone in like 3 minutes or less
glass mortar
u run dry with the microest bad rng if u dont get good rng whole fight u get downtime
vivid vessel
i get to boss with no tea charges
glass mortar
the damage is fine
glass mortar
but it feels zz
vivid vessel
whole boss
is unplayable
:D
:D
i was at 0 energy
with adr running
and a jackpot
i kid you not bro
let me find
one sec
mighty pivot
in skyreach?
novel birch
they wiill update the notes tomorrow with rogue stuff no worries
I'm hoping so, but I have a horrible feeling they might nerf us for some reason
vivid vessel
in skyreach?
first boss cavern
end of boss is legit unplayabel everytime
https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/SleepyAntediluvianPieRaccAttack-0IpYsnRXxsNOHu9V @glass mortar
im under kired jackpot
procced a tea before cuase 0 energy
adr and shit
mighty pivot
first boss cavern
it happened in skyreach too
vivid vessel
it happened in skyreach too
it happens
on every 2 target boss
the spec is unplayable
mighty pivot
like you had 0 charges getting to first boss after first two pulls
vivid vessel
idk the spec could be fun but they decided to ruin the energy even more
gray summit
vivid vessel
complain about energy in df > get energy nerfed in tww > complain about energy in tww > get energy nerfed in midnight
like what ?
xd ?
where does the feedback go
silver venture
is there any video for grappling hook skip on skyreach i swear i saw one
hollow bloom
Usually feedback goes to the intern that operates the shredder. I think.
vivid vessel
@glass mortar
2min straight
every gcd i get to 0 energy
?
how is this spec even real rn
mighty pivot
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix hommie
fathom bramble
you just need more haste on 2 target
I was running 25% on the paladins boss prog and it is still occasionally terrible
vivid vessel
same shit second time i ran the boss, 1 min straight of no play
idk
man
idk
its unreal
radiant root
mighty pivot
you use the 3rd charge in under 2 minutes (1:51)
vivid vessel
ye i mean
tea isnt a real talent imo
you use 3 charges first pull
then you cant do shit on 2 target boss
gg
what do now
fathom bramble
it's not like there is anything else to take
torn dew
Energy is fucked, tea is the worst bandaid for it, auto attack is a big% of the damage now, haste is so annoying, no real burst, jackpots almost makes us as good as other DPS. Iām a shit outlaw, I parsed 79 and got out dpsād by a 40 parse frost mage in raid. What.
fathom bramble
kind of the headline of all our talents
silver venture
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2734114067?t=3h6m0s here
thanks
fathom bramble
you just take a bunch of stuff that does almost nothing to assemble a mostly functional spec
vivid vessel
10 times worse
in midnight
like hwo is this real
who is the dev
that take these decisions
keen belfry
i wonder if we have to play 25% haste and ignore the sim
vivid vessel
sure bro gonna run is +10 dungeon and kill eveyrthjig in 10s never run out of energy
great bro
keen belfry
ive had a lot of really bad moments last 2 days of keys
where i legit cant play the game
fathom bramble
swap to a haste flask right before the boss š¤
glass mortar
tea is just dog
frail veldt
i wonder if we have to play 25% haste and ignore the sim
Potentially lol
vivid vessel
swap to a haste flask right before the boss š¤
:D
hollow bloom
I was thinking about just forgoing the set bonus and just stack haste.
glass mortar
when it was active i could see why it existed kinda
but as a passive
its just a shitty vigor?
fathom bramble
as a passive it's just a really complicated way to increase maximum energy and energy regen
torn dew
Itās a shitty mana gem from classic
glass mortar
and in a way that does not work the best with sustain long form play
like
id rather have a vigor
would function passively the whole key
!
fathom bramble
I think tea needs to recover charges somehow in keys
glass mortar
wouldnt ever go into boss fights with zero backup energy
the charges 1m cd mechanic doesnt have any benifit other then making the profile of energy it gives kinda shitty
fathom bramble
every caveat of stat weights obviously applies bla bla bla, but here is 2 target on my character at 21.35% haste, 35% crit.
glass mortar
it needs to have more out of combat recovry or something
vivid vessel
haha
fathom bramble
oh
vivid vessel
you were doing the same thing
fathom bramble
nice
vivid vessel
:D
mighty pivot
tea although I assume it is meant to help with bad rng, averages to 1.67e/s but doesn't scale with anything. Combat potency going from 30% to 16% is about the same loss per second at 25% haste. And that doesn't account for flourish being 40% what it was in tww
thorny mural
@vivid vessel arent you rank 1 m+ outlaw rogue rn
thorny mural
yeah im pretty sure you were in dragonflight when i was playing as well
vivid vessel
i kinda started doing high keys in df
thorny mural
so is outlaw rogue buns or what
vivid vessel
i was r1 for a bit in s3 ye
vivid vessel
so is outlaw rogue buns or what
always
glass mortar
tea should just get bonus cdr based on overcapped energy
thorny mural
it was fine in df i was top dmg every mythic pull
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble good thing i got the neck ..
glass mortar
that way in combat when u have good luck u get recovery and out of combat where ur sitting at max u churn cdr
š
fathom bramble
yeah im pretty sure you were in dragonflight when i was playing as well
I think it woudl be accurate to say that most classes have a spec that is better than outlaw
thorny mural
thats so unfort
my boys trying to get me back into wow and i do not wanna play anything but outlaw
fathom bramble
outlaw is definitely good enough in keys though
like you aren't completely doomed outside very high keys
frail veldt
it needs to have more out of combat recovry or something
Yeah our Regen is so dependent on uptime
fathom bramble
(probably)
keen belfry
im ignoring sim and playing at 25% haste
frail veldt
Takes an eternity to naturally recover
hollow bloom
Outlaw is super underwhelming in keys. 
keen belfry
im ignoring sim and playing at 25% haste
(nothing is going to change)
glass mortar
tea should store overcapped energy, getting 1.5s of cdr for every 10 energy overcapped or something
torn dew
Outlaw might be in the worst state in long time tho, rogues are forgotten pretty much
cinder relic
Outlaw might be in the worst state in long time tho, rogues are forgotten pretty...
Nah
frail veldt
tea should store overcapped energy, getting 1.5s of cdr for every 10 energy over...
Do we ever overcap during combat though
cinder relic
Was worse in MFO
thorny mural
Outlaw might be in the worst state in long time tho, rogues are forgotten pretty...
sub looks fine
glass mortar
when u get good rng but its not for in combat
its for downtime or out of combat
where u sit at cap
ud be effectively earning tea at 250% reduced cd
fathom bramble
tea should just get bonus cdr based on overcapped energy
I was thinking basically any of the following could be the answer for tea in keys
Killing an enemy that grants experience or honor has an x% chance to restore a tea charge.
Energy recovered above maximum instead refills Thistle Tea.
Thistle tea cooldown recovers 1000% faster while out of combat.
glass mortar
this wouldnt fix how we just run out of energy on 2t
just remove energy cost from deft bro
fathom bramble
Entering stealth while out of combat grants a tea charge(30 second cooldown)
torn dew
sub looks fine
Sub is what, 4 buttons? Brings nothing for m+ that other classes donāt do better
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble thoughts
glass mortar
how r u just gunna nerf the fun of a talent like that with no added benifit going into an expac
its not needed
energy budgets tight and its fine on mass aoe but it sucks big pp on 2t
keen belfry
idk if you guys have been doing this, but im afking at end of pulls to not proc a tea
often
vivid vessel
i dont look at tea
i dont look at energy
unless im at 0 energy
then i tilt
i get angry
keen belfry
i do, i wonder if i shouldnt
vivid vessel
energy bad
fathom bramble
I think tea could still use recovery across a key even if they adjusted deft
vivid vessel
remove it
sour cedar
Was worse in MFO
think just lookin at Outlaw MFO might have been worse but against other specs in the game I think it feels worse now, other specs are actually doing well and getting new tricks and buffs
Rogue and Outlaw in particular are just forgotten
glass mortar
glass mortar
deft should uncap bf initial hit
so in mass aoe it refills ur whole energy bar
thoughts
outer meteor
i feel like i should do more this dungeon (mt)
fathom bramble
so in mass aoe it refills ur whole energy bar
each target hit gives an average energy of 0.6 BTW
after how gutted fatal flourish is
fathom bramble
18 energy pog
mighty pivot
thoughts?
it should show an equation that you have to solve and if you solve it correctly you get max combo points
hollow bloom
I dont have energy issues in MoP rogue, go back to whatever that was. Why are we struggling with energy in 2026???
fathom bramble
Refunds 5 energy for each target below max
vivid vessel
i understand not wanting energy to go out of control in 5 target when you start getting full cp
i get the idea behind it maybe
i dont agree with it
i get the idea
mighty pivot
precise energy refund
keen belfry
this energy shit is actually blocking what could be a pretty fun spec rn
vivid vessel
:D
glass mortar
idk with how handicapped all 3 of our specs are at any low target cleave scenario its hard to believe it wasnt on purpose
vivid vessel
crazy its worse
hollow bloom
Should shut down the discord like the palidons did 
vivid vessel
its sad cause i saw realz on exile chat
wondering why pc was deleted
because it was created so that outlaw could exist outside of 1 and 8 target
:D
apparently the new dev didnt get the memo
lime lake
mighty pivot
they must not be in talking terms with the new dev
mighty pivot
they could literally just tweak combat potency and flourish and fix it
vague cape
apparently the new dev didnt get the memo
Yāknow what this means though, right?
Uncapped baby
vivid vessel
ye apparently they forgot about that part
just made it dogshit at low target count now
compensation ?
nothing
just bad
gg
vivid vessel
i like pressing the button prep
vague cape
Ye itās pretty cool
vivid vessel
gameplay wise its nice to press your buttons again
i dont think its a well designed button tho
i think wasting full cdr on adr is bad
i think what they intend with the button is also prolly to help downtime or damage amp
vague cape
Nah it aināt, Iād still take charges over it any time
vivid vessel
whch id does not do at all obviously
altough maybe if we had 2 charges of adr ..
the button would work better ..
just saying
refund one charge
i aint saying
but
just saying
crimson scarab
What about tea being on restless blades?š
glass mortar
theyd just nerf the cd by 500%
tea could not be restless with 1m cd
u would have a tea every 10s
crimson scarab
Sounds like a big W
vivid vessel
which clealry they cannot
glass mortar
yea i mean listen
vivid vessel
i would rather have infinite energy
glass mortar
im game
vivid vessel
than energy issues when playing perfect
glass mortar
they wouldnt do this in a million years tho
vivid vessel
it shouldnt happen
glass mortar
vivid vessel
that im playing gcd perfect
crimson scarab
I think of all us would be haha
vivid vessel
and i get 2 min
of under 50 energy
being a complete cuck
pressing a button then waiting 4 secondes
what am i playing
assa
fuck you
glass mortar
zac.... i am 30 energy when ar comes off cd and i pray i am saved
i leave ar at 20 energy zac....
whered it all go........
vivid vessel
:D
crimson scarab
And you also have rtb stage 1
keen belfry
why did they remoive ar filling anergy
glass mortar
all ur tea will be gone
crimson scarab
And you can cook urself a meal before ur energy bar is filled
glass mortar
and it will never recover for the rest of the key
its crazy how they managed to sustain how awful a 1 roll feels
crimson scarab
I hate this snowball effect
glass mortar
while making it one of the old good buffs
vivid vessel
why did they remoive ar filling anergy
they decided they needed to turbo nerf energy because we didnt complain about energy enough during tww bro
what can i say
speechless
crimson scarab
Itās kinda worse than not vanishing correctly with the crackshot build and then having the AR snowball effect
glass mortar
ye i mean crackshot when u broke out of the loop u were turbo trash for 45s and it was bad
dont get me wrong
once u were back in the loop it was self sustaining as long as u didnt fuck up again tho
if u get punished with tea
ur taxed for the next 20 minutes
crimson scarab
But you could recover once AR came back
glass mortar
ur charges will never recover
vivid vessel
nah
glass mortar
crimson scarab
Yeye thatās what I mean
crimson scarab
That this snowballs even harder
hollow bloom
Pin it! The graph! Lol
glass mortar
fatal flourish being a nerfed proc chance instead of a flat amount of energy
it adds texture to the rotation
when sometimes it just stops for no reason
u didnt proc FF for 20 seconds straight
crimson scarab
And thatās coming from one of the best outlaws, imagine whats in store for the rest of us plebs
vivid vessel
i mean idk if you guiys will ever experience this tho
its a byproduct of high keys bnosses
crimson scarab
Are u using flickering steel or the vers buff
vivid vessel
lasting legit 5 min
crimson scarab
Thatās also fair
vivid vessel
so you run out
vivid vessel
Are u using flickering steel or the vers buff
vers
like that boss was 4min
in a 18
crimson scarab
I also kinda experienced it now in higher keys (13-14-15)
vivid vessel
im sure it will be even longer
vivid vessel
I also kinda experienced it now in higher keys (13-14-15)
ye
crimson scarab
Especially in MC
hollow bloom
I experience it on raid bosses with the dad guild. Where it takes like 6 mins to kill a boss.
crimson scarab
like I have so much fun at 10-11
crimson scarab
But also maxing out gear should make things at least a tiny bit better
crimson scarab
Fml then
vivid vessel
in s3 you prolly will have the same amount really
especially since actual aoe devalue energy a lot
crimson scarab
I guess weāre in for quite a ride
formal thunder
I dream of the day
I can come look into outlaw channel
and everything is well
wintry solar
The worst part about having a dream is waking up
crimson scarab
But also has it been the case in tww that ppl pushed such high keys in week 1?
formal thunder
one day f or sure
vivid vessel
But also has it been the case in tww that ppl pushed such high keys in week 1?
doesnt matter
just mean we will go hgiher
keys arent
its infinite
if you push 18s week 1
just means we time 25 this season
more prolly
its whatever
doesnt change anything really
crimson scarab
Ah I understand
Fair enough
Ought to be an interesting couple of months until we HOPEFULLY receive some decent tuning
vivid vessel
frail veldt
idk if you guys have been doing this, but im afking at end of pulls to not proc ...
Same
Not afking though
It's not too hard to avoid tea proc
Unless you're totally tapped
The worst is having to let bladeflurry drop
kind axle
are there any outlaw bugs I should know about? My dps has halved over the past week with better gear. still playing the exact same. so confused
frail veldt
are there any outlaw bugs I should know about? My dps has halved over the past w...
not too many, definitely not that would halve your dps
kind axle
so confused. was doing 100k+ consistantly on even small packs last week with blue weapons and now that I've replaced the blue weapons I'm somehow doing less???
eternal hound
Guys question
buoyant cosmos
so confused. was doing 100k+ consistantly on even small packs last week with blu...
Did you delete all of your haste?
eternal hound
How do rogues live tentacles in viceroy?
kind axle
Did you delete all of your haste?
nope. I've got even more now lol
eternal hound
You just have to nuke yours asap?
buoyant cosmos
nope. I've got even more now lol
Unlucky
kind axle
idk, might just retire the rogue at this point. a whole month of no weapon drops. and now this
unfortunate because outlaw is one of if not my fave spec in the game
buoyant cosmos
idk, might just retire the rogue at this point. a whole month of no weapon drops...
I'm doing keys, so I just crafted a MH
Have you logged any of your new keys?
Could start a thread for review
kind axle
no I haven't, but even some buddies have noticed and pointed it out "dude, why has your damage dropped so much lately?"
buoyant cosmos
Can you item restore your old weps? Lol
frail veldt
no I haven't, but even some buddies have noticed and pointed it out "dude, why h...
do you have int weapons on
kind axle
nope lol. I did check that just to make sure
buoyant cosmos
Did you put a dagger in your MH?
buoyant cosmos
Actually you can't dispatch with a dagger so that's moot anyways
keen belfry
i know how
vivid vessel
i also know how
vivid vessel
knowing is so much better than not knowing
vivid vessel
positions i think
deep sequoia
aah
deep sequoia
appreciate it zachary
deep sequoia
u right my b
keen belfry
what about always playing flickering @vivid vessel
vivid vessel
idk it sims worse
keen belfry
yeah but like
i dont think u can sim those m+ scenarios
like going into 2 target cleave with one tea and no ar
gaunt phoenix
flicker improves variance, that's "how you sim that"
keen belfry
flicker improves variance, that's "how you sim that"
is flicker not really that much more energy?
vivid vessel
thats how the law gotta do it
haste flask on st and 2 target bosses
back to crit for trash
gg
vivid vessel
honestly im thinking of the ways i can make monksea pull on bosses and shit
we actually have some decent funnel now
almost like 10% mre st with funnel
i would prolly say its more in real scenarios with downtime and no tea coming into boss
fathom bramble
is flicker not really that much more energy?
flicker is almost no energy
I think it is our lowest energy talent
vivid vessel
im working with porsea to eliminate all the bad pulls we have in our routes rn also
fathom bramble
like it's 5 on one of our generators sometimes
vivid vessel
like we had that 4 target pull in seat
fathom bramble
that's really not a lot
vivid vessel
told him it was a nono
we never do that again
banned !
me is 5 target spec only
cant do 4
empty tulip
where are people ditching a point to take Prep in raid cleave?
random stirrup
dragons
fathom bramble
I trolled on dragons
saving BR for the orbs as instructed
when it literally doesn't hit them
if you cast it on the dragons
random stirrup
i swapped to tab targetting to them midway through
fathom bramble
yeah that or mouseover is a must
random stirrup
i played outlaw for boss dps anyway
fathom bramble
you can cast BR on mobs behind you btw
vivid vessel
ye i noticed
daring yoke
if you cast it on the dragons
wtf is this bug?
fathom bramble
br cleave is around you
vivid vessel
ok
vivid vessel
weird
mighty pivot
just like sectec ye
daring yoke
if we BR to a pack from a distance (so it dashes), do we actually hit the whole pack?
daring yoke
ah no wonder.. felt off about it..
random stirrup
pov you made it to paladins
vivid vessel
you are benched on paladin ?
what rank is your guild that they can afford to bench you
random stirrup
imma own you guys tomrw
im so unbelievably washed i havent played outlaw seriously since tww2
also bte resets are just mega delayed in raid
vivid vessel
its apex lil bro
glass mortar
its so bad on some bosses
vivid vessel
ace isnt delayed
random stirrup
o
random stirrup
hmm that means its predictable right
glass mortar
gravedigger doesnt proc till projectile hits
random stirrup
i def wasnt watching apex very much
glass mortar
it has travel time now
random stirrup
gravedigger doesnt proc till projectile hits
...? nice
glass mortar
ye u can track it
vivid vessel
hmm that means its predictable right
yes
glass mortar
punished for not
vivid vessel
i have come to be forced to track it
cause of that
i wanted to play it like ace
and react to it
but im not allowed to
cause dogshit desgin
by intern
what can you do
glass mortar
its also like
a hard thing to ever figure out on ur own
because most dont even know bte has a projectile
its brand new in midnight with the cowboy yeehaw flavor
PS still doesnt have one
random stirrup
ye that one isnt so bad to react to
the bte reset thing was like as my gcd was up
empty tulip
where do we ditch a point to take Preparation in raid cleave?
eternal hound
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/anRzdgKvk3YLzPyxfsR38c Guys....should I trust this?
It's telling me to keep the garbage vet track trinket
Oh
One second lmafo
I see the issue
frail veldt
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/anRzdgKvk3YLzPyxfsR38c Guys....should I t...
only by 0.1% it seems
eternal hound
I mean that
and I was simming as sub and didn't mean to
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w8NZrZqS7jzvYbXkEZNXMK This seems...goofy too
frail veldt
how so
eternal hound
5% dps increase
gaunt phoenix
pin
tiny dagger
tyyy
gaunt phoenix
without trinket you are a bit below outlaw's haste requirement
frail veldt
Ur a top, right ?
ayo
gaunt phoenix
also. some trinkets at champion ilvl or whatever are very well stat budgeted
they just fall off cause they cant be mythic track
daring yoke
why chest enchant so damn expensive?
cinder relic
what is that?
r u srs or j
wintry solar
/srs
dude ive been sooo out of the loop
its refreshing tbh
is it like raid buffs or something like last season?
cinder relic
The pins have info
I was gonna type out the whole thing but I did like a week or so ago
wintry solar
theyre soft launching borrowed power
empty tulip
for raid cleave, where do we ditch a point from the m+ build to take prep
its not clear to me on warcraftlogs
lime lake
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craggy barn
for raid cleave, where do we ditch a point from the m+ build to take prep
sumarily dispatched
go from 2/2 to 1/2 and move it to prep
sturdy crow
Finished delves? 
frail veldt
prep or 2 points SD for m+? @keen belfry
gaunt phoenix
It's not a big deal
undone notch
If I knew I could take KiR this whole time
Once Ace up Your Sleeve gets updated in the .5 patch, are we gonna move a point from slight of hand to Ace?
dark ember
Cheat Death or Elusiveness for PvE?
Cheat Death seems like anti mechanic perish but Elusiveness just better soak
keen belfry
prep or 2 points SD for m+? <@177964030474977281>
i run prep
keen belfry
Once Ace up Your Sleeve gets updated in the .5 patch, are we gonna move a point ...
we will either not run ace or probs drop sleight imo
1 ace is dead, sims will tell us if 2 ace > 0 ace given its a contested spot
keen belfry
i doubt it will be over sleight, but i like sleight
but im down for what, 7% more ace procs
its just bad that ace only refuns 4, thats the number they shouldve changed with ace
not just its proc chance
frail veldt
does anyone elses gcd feel super delayed lately
like I dont see my gcd sweep start for like 0.6s after pressing
craggy barn
now that just sounds like some weird lag situation
frail veldt
well when im lagging like internet lag I can always move
feels like the game is bogging down
idk
frail veldt
nah restarted pc like an hour ago
somethings funky
some addons prob doing buncha shit
why in the world is it the same crests to craft a 2h as a 1h?
river wing
and easier to upgrade if you get a myth piece later
tough trellis
can i drop my log here or is there a spot for it?
i feel like i did so little damage and i feel so confident that i pressed all my buttons correctly
keen belfry
grapple is still bis
austere hawk
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
inland acorn
can i drop my log here or is there a spot for it?
If you type !log bot will open a thread for you, to put your log in.
Just be aware that reading outlaw log is like
Top5 hardest thing to do in life
livid smelt
I have top damage auto attack sometimes so iono i also feel like im doing something wrong lool
tough trellis
I have top damage auto attack sometimes so iono i also feel like im doing someth...
OKAY ITS NOT JUST ME
bro i want to cry every pull its bf then melee and im like please god
inland acorn
If you want best help
I highly recommend
Recording yourself doing a rotation on dummy with addon to show gcd history
This will be easiest and fastest way for us to help you spot any mistakes in rotation
inland acorn
I think details still has streamer mode to show gcd casts ?
tough trellis
60s duration rota showcase
basically 1 rtb buff
good god watching back my footage makes me realize how much i jitter my camera lmao
inland acorn
Ok already in opener
It should've been
Blade rush --> dispatch
You started with BtE which means you dont have snd up
wintry solar
good god watching back my footage makes me realize how much i jitter my camera l...
My left mouse button stays down
Never ever a moment of stillness
tough trellis
My left mouse button stays down
my rmb is perma down
my character jitter around with me
inland acorn
usually in keys i do the funny AR prekey into snd in bubble
if that's the case then its fine
tough trellis
a lot of my guildies are saying that i have too high of an expectation
inland acorn
at 4cp, after your BtE cast, you should've SS instead of PS
you PS at 4cp, only if you have 6 opp stacks
weary fog
u bte'd at 5 CP once here
tough trellis
do i always want to press bte at 7?
tough trellis
i see
?
tough trellis
no š
inland acorn
Recommend doing that
tough trellis
i didnt think ab the 3 stacks vs 6 stacks
frail veldt
yeah wait holdup
inland acorn
Yeah, that too
yeah other than what we said above, it actually looks good
You could try to follow some of minmax rules in #outlaw-faq
But basic rotation looks mostly fine outside of using BtE at 5cp
PS at 4cp
the SND buff (though, if you're doing pre-key stuff that part is I guess fine)
Also at the end your RTB ran out and you hit like 2 SS without buff up
weary fog
ss at 1 cp > PS is at 3 stacks of opp is another min max u could be doing
inland acorn
which is not terrible, since it's only 2 and it was end of your recording pretty much, but something to keep in mind
weary fog
but maybe we do that after we start tracking opp stacks lol
inland acorn
Yeah, highly recommend tracking those š
tiny dagger
nah this class legit needs god
or full phys bis comp
if im playing w casters i feel like a potato
tough trellis
and also track loaded dice
i kinda remember ld
but ig yeah it doesnt hurt to have a tracker in case i forget
tough trellis
but maybe we do that after we start tracking opp stacks lol
what exactly is the point of tracking opportunity? is it really just for the 1cp ss?
i usually just look at the blizz default opportunity icon thing and press it when im out of combo points
inland acorn
Well for once, you put it somewhere easy to keep track of instead of splitting attention
Second it is kinda important
As you dont want to waste procs, but with min-max rule you can easly end up at 6 opp stacks
So if you're not tracking it you might potentialy waste procs
weary fog
you'd also wanna know if ur at 4CP and only 3 stacks of opp. u PS at 4CP if you have 6 stacks but not if you only have 3 stacks
arctic hollow
I just had a situation on dummies.
Stage 3 (10s). LD up. KiR CD up. 30 or so seconds left on ADR cd.
What's best here ?
I either
-kir early and wasted Loaded dice because I had to ADR during Kir extend.
-KiR early used LD before ADR, but wasted 15s of the extended stage 3
-wasted half a minute of restless blade on the KiR CD refund
inland acorn
you KiR stage 3 and ignore LD
arctic hollow
Thanks, that makes sense
brisk robin
hey dumb question, is there any addon still existing to show me on what stage of dice I am (last played in tww s2 so its been quite a while.
inland acorn
You can see it from the icon if you're tracking roll the bones
tough trellis
hey dumb question, is there any addon still existing to show me on what stage of...
the default blizz one works rlly well for me
arctic hollow
If you track roll the bones as a bar in the CDM you can display the name of the buff for extra readability
brisk robin
aight imma check that, ty
inland acorn
The most important thing you just need to know, if you're tracking just icon
Purple = bad
roll that shit
With tracking as bar, it should show you the name stage 1 or something like Hegemoonie said
sturdy tartan
We are supposed to be PS at 3 stacks UNLESS we have 4CP? I thought we werenāt supposed to PS until we had 6 stacks