outlaw

[cinder relic]

I'm getting one every like 10-15 dungeons

Idk if that's unlucky or lucky

[junior coral]

damn so it isnt capped

thats whats up

once u get 4pc

[rain rover]

def unlucky i think

ive gotten 4 in 20

[balmy topaz]

It feels omega coinflip

[wintry solar]

Coinflip?

[rain rover]

!sheet

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine smelt]

Someone in raid got 3 during our reclean NM + half HM

[craggy barn]

i only got 1 on my rog from dungeons, and 0 from nm and hc recleara

but i got 2 on my dk just doing dungeons all day

[fathom bramble]

I've gotten 6 from keys 1 from raid and 1 from delves

they are more common from keys than the hero pieces you would want to use them on

[stone frost]

Is there a consensus on whether I should upgrade my sword to 272 with hero crests? Or should I lvl my hero gear (only have 3 pieces)

[inland acorn]

if you're upgrading with crests, you should technically send with myth crests

otherwise you're wasting 20 crests

[unique fulcrum]

which buff we taking in academy

[muted crest]

ive been takin crit

[silk topaz]

Hello, I’ve been playing a bunch of Sub and want to dip my feet in some outlaw. Is the spec easy to grasp similar to sub?

[near rock]

not as easy but not super hard or anything

Nice middle ground

[silk topaz]

Awesome Thanks! After work I’ll be trying it out. Looks like a lot of fun

[true dust]

the rotation is simple but the apm is high so it takes some getting used to

[silk topaz]

High Apm sounds like a lot of fun

[gaunt phoenix]

A lot of work to be mid

[sturdy phoenix]

Hello guys I'm reposting this as I didn't had answer, but can someone check on this cheat sheet to see if something is wrong or not 🫶

[zinc briar]

we dont need it

we are the best dps of the game

[unique fulcrum]

real.

i was top dps in this dungeojn

[zinc briar]

winning other in dps with outlaw is the worst insult for them

hahhaah

[unique fulcrum]

XD

[inland acorn]

@vivid vessel if you upped the strata on CPs, doesn't that make your SND timer be perma behind cps now ?

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[inland acorn]

I guess you dont really need to see it though

Since its like almost impossible to drop snd anyways

[vivid vessel]

[unique fulcrum]

13 pit, Rogue giga broken plz nerf

[inland acorn]

Looks fine to me

[pure folio]

Academy snap fixed? TPs tank down instead of adds to platform

Might be just messing it up

[gusty shore]

Outlaw Rogue Opener:

Cast Adrenaline Rush.
Cast Roll the Bones.
Cast Keep It Rolling.
Cast Dispatch.
Cast Blade Rush.
Build with Sinister Strike, and Pistol Shot until 5 or more combo points.
Cast Between the Eyes.
Cast Preparation.
Continue with normal rotation.

Is this rite?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel might come back

[vivid vessel]

Ye bro good season to come back frfr

[obsidian karma]

how we doing on set effect? is it worth even with lfr set?

[inland acorn]

you don't KiR in the opener

Unless you hit stage 3 or 4

If you hit stage 2, you hold KiR after you prep and pop ADR+roll again

Also BtE at +6, just for clarity

[unkempt dew]

Is it worth it to take prep in dungeons?

[icy hare]

Yes

I really miss not being able to keep buffs up in stealth 🙁

[split grove]

I saw in your log that you are able to cleave the boss with BF when you're hitting the adds ? Can your tanks put them close enough for that, you gain so much dps this way

[inland acorn]

Hard to say

[balmy topaz]

Yup

[inland acorn]

It's kinda neutral in sim to take prep, but hard to say how well that translates into actual keys. It's probably worth it in coordinated keys though

[gusty shore]

Outlaw Rogue Opener:

Cast Adrenaline Rush.
Cast Roll the Bones.
Only cast Keep It Rolling in the opener if Roll the Bones hits stage 3 or stage 4.
If Roll the Bones hits stage 2, hold Keep It Rolling until after Preparation, then cast Adrenaline Rush and Roll the Bones again before using Keep It Rolling. Rite @inland acorn ?
Cast Dispatch.
Cast Blade Rush.
Build with Sinister Strike and Pistol Shot until you reach 6 or more combo points.
Cast Between the Eyes at 6+ combo points.
Cast Preparation.

[inland acorn]

Looks about right, but you BtE at +6 cps

But dispatch can be sent at +5

[loud blaze]

wait, does this change the PS optimization where you SS at one cp to jump to 6? Or does it not matter that much for dispatch?

I've been trying to build the right habits, so I should probably just do it right every time regardless.

That shining opportunity button just wants me to push it...

[uneven charm]

I hope they make some changes to outlaw before the season ends

[river wing]

aheh

[uneven charm]

Rtb gives me ptsd

[river wing]

rtb is fine this season

[uneven charm]

I dunno, I hit stage one more often than I would like

[river wing]

as far as I can see, we need precise cuts back (preferably as baseline tbh), deadly pursuit to not have a duration, ace to generate 5 pts instead of 4, prep to make stuff 2 charges instead of "reset CD" and idk, like 8-10% more aura

[river wing]

you shouldn't hit stage 1 in most encounters at all if played properly unless there's massive downtime

[uneven charm]

So there is a way to force it to be better than s1?

[river wing]

yes, loaded dice from AR forces +1 stage on next roll

which means RtB after AR is always at least stage 2

[uneven charm]

Well there is my issue...

Thanks for that

[river wing]

KiR allows you to keep RtB active for a minute which is enough time to use AR again, generally

[uneven charm]

Yeah that makes so much sense now

[river wing]

yeah I'm personally not a big fan of KiR, feels like a stopgap measure to prevent RtB from sucking too much

[inland acorn]

No, the optimization to SS at 1 cp, is there so it helps you finish at 6cp, but dispatch is fine at 5

[river wing]

but it's there and you gotta play around it

[uneven charm]

Its gonna make a world of difference

[loud blaze]

It took me a few days to break the habit of hitting RtB first instead of after AR

[inland acorn]

It took me 2 days to stop

rolling after KiR

[uneven charm]

It still won't help with big pulls in m+, but it will be a nice change to remove s1

[static crescent]

this evening blade flurry mentioned in patch notes, are you prepared

I AM

[inland acorn]

ye

aura nerf 5%

[static crescent]

:-<D

[inland acorn]

🥀

[static crescent]

Zac was right, as keys started getting higher

my belief of outlaw went down

[river wing]

legit just bring precise cuts back smh

[polar kelp]

Or just....remove....target....cap...

[static crescent]

I think they wont do anything else but %, just give us ST to let me justify presence in our group

[river wing]

removed cap won't help with sub-7 target cleave

but it would also be nice yes

[static crescent]

Id be cool with BF nerf and aura buff thingie

now theres literally no reason to bring me

[river wing]

brother what nerf
there's no space to nerf BF further

[static crescent]

I mean like

15% ST, 10 BF nerf idk

[river wing]

[static crescent]

whatever just gief reason to play

need to be good at something

[hasty warren]

bf nerf is bad tuning

[static crescent]

worst thing happening is no notes xd

[loud blaze]

Ive said it before, if they would just say “rogue has traditionally been over represented so we are scaling it back to not be mandatory in higher keys” I would be happy

Except that wouldn’t explain mage…

[static crescent]

idk ive had a lot of breaks over the years, but i cant remember the last time rogue was top tier

im talking about m+ now mostly

last time i raided was raz prog and then we were decent

but it wasnt like stack rogues tier

[polar kelp]

Well too be fair, we still play a mmorpg....rogue has been top tier in PvP for 20 years. Not saying I agree with it, but I'm sure wow devs see it as "they are king of pvp, so they don't need to be king of PvE too"

[static crescent]

do enough people even pvp for that to matter

i thought pvp is like over

[polar kelp]

Ionno I haven't pvped in like 15 years lol

[static crescent]

last pvp tournament i watched there was like 2k viewers

[river wing]

legitimately if this is a real argument and anyone from blizz sees this - it is not an argument, pvp is dead for 95% of players and is completely irrelevant to how the game should be designed

[gleaming lagoon]

Amirdrassil assa for like 1 week?

[willow narwhal]

hey guys what do you recommend as second item to craft

i choose daggers as first one

prob boots or ring right?

[zinc briar]

@vivid vessel outlaw sux

im sad

[vivid vessel]

No shit

[balmy topaz]

Ye Idk bro

these other classes are fuckin cringe

[proven ocean]

You would’ve won if u didnt die few times tho

Skill issue

[balmy topaz]

I didn't die

[proven ocean]

🧢

[balmy topaz]

it's just too low of a key

[copper radish]

Just rng some more ace procs and you’ll win

[mighty pivot]

and more jackpots of course

skill issue

[balmy topaz]

frfr

[copper radish]

RNG hacks wtb

[balmy topaz]

I also

am still only 264

While biz and monksea are like 270

gg

[upper hawk]

that note about the seer trinket, did the hotfix from yesterday fix that and make just soso again?

or not op anyway

[balmy topaz]

idk if it's been implemented yet on the sims

[copper radish]

It’s still week 1 you’ll get there 😭

[true jackal]

gang

is it okay if i craft one hand main wep

since bis is from cosmos im not thinking ill get it soon

[meager jetty]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[fathom holly]

yes, solo wants to craft 2 weapons

[true jackal]

wdym solo wants ?

[fathom holly]

oh, solo is a community figure here

hes a person

[true jackal]

oh i see

[long barn]

When buffs

[true jackal]

so its okay to craft one handad sword

crit haste i assum right

?

coz i have good offhand heroic dagger from 2nd boss

[long barn]

Bottom of the barrel it seems still for M+ and Raid

[fathom holly]

yes

[true jackal]

okay thanks

[vivid vessel]

Bro solo is not a person xd

No way you got got?

He is the first AI community figure we have had in ravenhold

@gaunt phoenix confirm

[fathom holly]

🤖 <- solo

zac whats your portal addon

[vivid vessel]

bigwigs does it

where you can click on the key thing while in /key

but i have another one also

one sec

[zinc briar]

https://gyazo.com/830afa5032087843170fdd8f00ff4284

balanced

ruby is winning tank

not bad

[mystic berry]

nerf arms

[zinc briar]

nerf outlaw

should lose into tank

[blissful quiver]

So

I started to learn Sub, but really enjoying outlaw flow

But all the gear ive crafted is geared towards sub

[upper hawk]

there should be a flow meter

maybe outlaw could top that

[blissful quiver]

should i just stick to sub at this point? It feels bad, because my dps feels really low

And idk if its me or just the lack of like crit and what not

This is what my stat line looks like

[silk topaz]

I feel your pain Ricky, same boat

[mystic berry]

Sub likes mastery, and we dont give many fucka about it

This will be your biggest hurdle

you should aim for 30% crit and 20 haste at min

[blissful quiver]

Okay, I also JUST recrafted my dagger for sub

which is rough ebcause we need the main hander to right

[mystic berry]

We do but the crown sword is great aswell

It can serve

However its a hard drop

[silk stirrup]

Always craft crit haste

So it works for all 3 specs

[vivid vessel]

is outlaw bugged

why do i have no energy

whole dungeon

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tPCQVpjGhMc24Ym8?fight=last&type=resources&source=2&spell=103

@fathom bramble

is this normal gameplay

[silk stirrup]

It says there you have some energy

[silk stirrup]

you cannot cast abilities? is it a bug?

[vivid vessel]

swear the spec is bugged

[silk stirrup]

But there it shows you have some energy

[vivid vessel]

i never went 1 buff the whole key

and yet i cant cast spells

:D

[blissful idol]

Happens to me as well, I always feel like I am lagging when I am actually not

[frigid pelican]

Yeah I noticed last night when trying to use bte with full energy and nothing happened

[mystic berry]

Yesterday on the raid my rtb was consuming my combo points

Weird shit

[vivid vessel]

::om

[radiant wyvern]

outlaw collapsing under the weight of normal gameplay

[blissful quiver]

Dungeon slice summing is accurate correct?

I may be playing the spec wrong because my outlaw I think was simming higher then sub and I’m doing like half the damage

I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong tbh

[silk stirrup]

I mean, if you plan on swapping specs with the same dagger you can craft the safe one

For all 3 specs

[blissful quiver]

Yeah I’ll switch the missive around

But I don’t think that missive is a 50% dps loss either

[waxen scarab]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[balmy topaz]

The last 2 keys

have been awful

Like I have plaeyd like an ape

[blissful quiver]

If I log the next dungeon, is there someone who can deep dive into with me to see where I’m fucking up?

[wintry leaf]

Are y'all squishy in delves? I'm struggling

[placid ocean]

Set valeera to healer and keep tricks on her

[mystic berry]

you can send a quick video of dummies

[wintry leaf]

Ah, good idea

[mystic berry]

idk 1 min

Logs are kinda shitty for law

No combo point info

[blissful quiver]

Okay I’ll see if I can do that in a bit. Does anyone happen to have a quick picture to see what damage profile is supposed to look like? Like in single target my highest dps is usually Gauche and I thought I saw that it’s supposed to be BtE

[mighty pivot]

[meager lichen]

I was at the same point; you really have to spam the spells hard to make the most of the GCD, and use Dispatch as often as possible with 5+ and BTE with 6+... It's also really important to keep AR up as long and as often as possible because it speeds everything up—the more you have, the more you'll get out of Dispatch

have 22+ haste, that you have most from gauche means you used dispatch and bte not often enough

[gaunt phoenix]

Or you have way too much mastery

[leaden folio]

looking at my outlaw dream be like

[mystic berry]

will we have notes today?

[jolly geyser]

ye man

[thick vigil]

-15% aura

[mystic berry]

I dont think we will get a mention

I feel it in my bones

[keen belfry]

I had a few pulls where main goochie was like #3 I was like woah

Mastery gaming guys!

[placid ocean]

I think my issue with outlaw is AR always seems to come back at an awkward time when packs are at ~20% and I feel like I'm wasting the cd if I use it then instead of on the next pack

[balmy topaz]

Redeemed

[tacit shuttle]

Ideally, when I get an ace proc, do I build to 6 cp every time? I find myself reflexively going on at 5 cp. Do you generally use an opportunity proc to build if at 5 or just go in on another ss?

[mystic berry]

that arms warrior is very consistent

[inland acorn]

PS if at 6 stacks of opp, otherwise just SS

[mystic berry]

AR is mostly for loaded dice

The damage from menacing rush and cdr reduction is good but

You mostly use it to keep away from one rolls

[random stirrup]

@vivid vessel how troll do you think pirate is on dragons

[mystic berry]

rolls of one are negative dps

[random stirrup]

in a bit of a weird situation where i might be better off playing it

[sterile dune]

If u have audacity u can actually ambush :p it deals more dmg and doesnt proc opp so if ur at 6 opp stacks

The thinf that sucks ia

That ambush sucks

It costs more energy

[mystic berry]

if it made ambush free maybe

[sterile dune]

Nah we alreasy better on energy than assa with blindside

No copy cat shit

Id qant it to have like 55-70% bonus dmg on ambush

When audacity procs

Cuz rn it doesnt deal more dmg than ss cuz ss can strike twice

[glass mortar]

audacity just exists as an HO enabler

[sterile dune]

And hs higher chance to proc opp, and is cheaper energy cost

[glass mortar]

i doubt they buff it specifically

the two are meant to be tied together

[sterile dune]

No that talent sucks

[glass mortar]

you'd think theyd just make it 1 talent since thats the case

both talents suck

audacity is worthless (or a dps loss if u press ambush)

HO is a dps loss

[balmy topaz]

Ye biz is sick

[sterile dune]

No audacity is good so u can get the talwnr it’s linked to for 1 point

[glass mortar]

that doesnt make it good

[sterile dune]

Its a dead talent but its good

[mystic berry]

I doubt they buff ho and audacity at all, its pretty much a leftover

[glass mortar]

saying "a dead talent is good" is an oxymoron

[sterile dune]

Yeah it is, it allows me to get the BF talent

[mystic berry]

Wouldnt surprise me if it got replaced next season

[glass mortar]

what you mean is the talent after it is so good that u dont care ur just dropping a talent point out of ur tree

i get what u mean

but it seems silly to say "this dead talent doing nothing is good"

[sterile dune]

Well thats the end result

[glass mortar]

sure

[sterile dune]

Cuz u can get BR talent

[vivid vessel]

im unsure, im strungling to understand why assa is gapping this much on hc

[glass mortar]

my point is

[sterile dune]

And the 20% dmg to ss and pistol shot is whatever

[vivid vessel]

on boss damage

[glass mortar]

if ur hoping for an audacity buff ur probably in for dissapointment

the talent is made to enable HO

[sterile dune]

Most of ur dmg is autos, and ur finishers anywaya

[glass mortar]

and it is silly they arent both 1 single talent at this point

[sterile dune]

Well blindsight is audacity equivalent

But it does more

It has free energy cost

[random stirrup]

i dont want to drop myth crests on dagger upgrade yet and got the 276 fist that no one wanted so would have to be more than a 17 ilvl mh gap

it might actually be outlaw

[sterile dune]

Btw HO and Audacity isnt more dmg

HO suuuuucks

[glass mortar]

audacity also sucks

[random stirrup]

the typical rogue weapon stuff uno reverse

[glass mortar]

[random stirrup]

weird times we in

[glass mortar]

they are both worthless

[sterile dune]

2 points into 20% to combo gens

Is more dmg

[glass mortar]

blindside is like if blizzard did exactly what i just said

made HO and audacity 1 single talent

[sterile dune]

Now that would make sense

[glass mortar]

itd probably still be undertuned

but only costing one point would make it more reasonable probably

[sterile dune]

No for 1 talent point

Both of them

[glass mortar]

yea

[sterile dune]

Would actually maje it fine

Question is

What would be balanced

[vivid vessel]

i mean idk

i do really good in hc splits on drake

[sterile dune]

Bakinf audacity into HO or otherway around?

[glass mortar]

to make it balanced theyd probably need it to be in the place of HO and put something else where audacity is

[sterile dune]

Yes

[random stirrup]

ye and they do start perma 2target on mythic

[glass mortar]

it just feels very silly to me we have a talent to get a proc that you never ever want to press and even might need to cancelaura

and then u need to path two talents down from it

[edgy owl]

Hi, I'm playing sub cuz I have the best results with it, but it's fcking boring, can I have the same dmg as outlaw with enough skill? Or is sub simply better

[glass mortar]

to get a talent that would even make it worth pressing

[sterile dune]

U have to cancelaura it

Its dog poop

[vivid vessel]

idk if that makes assa better or outlaw better tho

2 target assa is prolly better rn

[mystic berry]

You can, but you have to recognize that the damage profiles are different

And sub is much much easier to execute

thus its more consistent

[gusty shore]

And normal prio is: ?
General Rotation
Cast Blade Flurry if there are 2 or more targets in range, and is not already active. If already active, recast at 4 or less combo points when there are 4 or more targets within range.
Cast Roll the Bones on cooldown if at stage 1 or less.
Cast Keep It Rolling if you have a stage 2 or higher Roll the Bones active.
Cast Preparation whenever Between the Eyes, Adrenaline Rush, and Blade Rush are on cooldown.
Cast Adrenaline Rush on cooldown at 2 or fewer combo points.
Cast Blade Rush on cooldown.
Cast Between the Eyes at 6 or more combo points.
Cast Dispatch at 5 or more combo points.
Cast Pistol Shot if Opportunity has 6 stacks or Opportunity has 3 stacks, and you are at 1-3 combo points.
Cast Sinister Strike at 5 or less combo points.

[inland acorn]

[edgy owl]

When I sim, I have almost the same aoe dmg, but outlaw is like 20k dps under sub in mono

[mystic berry]

How are you simming it? Just taking the sub character and changing to law?

[glass mortar]

are u simming outlaw in ur sub gear

[edgy owl]

no

[glass mortar]

whats ur outlaw gear look like? same ilvl weapons? you have enough haste for outlaw?

i dont think sub puts on very much haste rn right

[sterile dune]

Wait so if im at 3 combo points and have 3 opp stacks

[glass mortar]

you press PS

[sterile dune]

Sorry 4*

[glass mortar]

u press SS

[gaunt phoenix]

you ss

[sterile dune]

Im meant to use ss?

Whaaat

[edgy owl]

same Ilvl, 18% haste, but not a lot of crit, 25% if I remember correctly

[sterile dune]

Bro its annoyinf

To keep track of all that

[mystic berry]

hows your mastery?

[sterile dune]

Outlaw by far hardeat spec

Out of the 3

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is fast but there's no forward thinking with your cds like at all

you just go

[edgy owl]

well I still have the outlaw mono sim open https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hqWE3bL2huPsgit2cxuBUs

[gusty shore]

im reading method guide

[edgy owl]

it's with M+ talent btw

It's maybe cuz I simmed 1min I guess now that I read that

[inland acorn]

Ok, that doesn't answer why are you copy paste it here ?

[glass mortar]

i mean if ur trying to compare a burst spec and outlaw on a 1m sim

[gusty shore]

Im just wondering if thats how it supposed to be

[glass mortar]

its not gunna look very good ye

[gaunt phoenix]

the #outlaw-faq has the priority

[edgy owl]

yeah I might just be dumb, mb

[glass mortar]

especially with lust turned off

i think outlaw benifits more from lust then sub now?

[inland acorn]

The only acceptable source of truth is #outlaw-faq

Because Solo is updating it

[gaunt phoenix]

it looks similar to faq

[edgy owl]

probably yes, sub doesn't benefit a lot from haste above 20%, idk about outlaw tho

[glass mortar]

ur autos get juiced

its not crazy or anything

just that sub gets so little

or used to idk now

[edgy owl]

it basically just extend Dance and SB duration

not even sure about SB

[mystic berry]

1 min patchwerk sim

why 1 min

[edgy owl]

cuz I was simming aoe first, and in +10 pack don't last longer than 1min

[inland acorn]

dungeon slice

[edgy owl]

I just swapped to 1 target like a degen

[autumn blaze]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mystic berry]

Like somebody said, sub is a burst spec

so yeah, the shorter the fight, the biggest the diff

hence why sub mogged us in m0

but its closer now in keys

[edgy owl]

how should I sim then? I'm a new player and I'm not very familiar with it

[edgy owl]

closer but sub stays better, right?

[mystic berry]

Honestly? I dont know, in my experience I've never lost to a sub but sims are better comparison

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[true jackal]

how much % gain is from 2 pc to 4 pc

for outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

like 3%

[edgy owl]

that's almost the buff we received wednesday

huge

[random stirrup]

deft seems pretty miserable to press on 2 targets

[keen belfry]

it is

its pretty bad below 5

[balmy topaz]

I equipped it

[random stirrup]

im questioning if its even worth it for dragons with how infrequent the higher target counts are

[balmy topaz]

Noticed 0 difference

[vivid vessel]

outlaw seems pretty dogshit under 5

and dogshit above 8

[keen belfry]

there are sims its always worth the combo point gen sadly

[vivid vessel]

and dogshit in st also

good key spec

[random stirrup]

unlucky

[vivid vessel]

i told my tank it was illegal to pull under 5 this season

we will see what we can cook up

[wintry solar]

It's also illegal to play with an Outlaw so might well pull at a consistent 8 target count

[patent mirage]

tbh either they increase bf dmg more

or stoftcap already

[unkempt dew]

Haha 4% buff

[reef plinth]

So uhm, quick question. Are you guys changing loot spec depending on dungeon? For finding a dagger 2nd hand, or are you just crafting them?

[jolly geyser]

I have loot spec on ass perma now in dungeons,got 285 mh

prolly opening vault with it too

[placid ocean]

My partner is going into law enforcement, so I guess he's going to have to disclose that his partner is an outlaw.

[keen belfry]

this pangolin toy is so good

[karmic stag]

Pangolin is the allied race we actually wanted

[placid ocean]

Myth crest crafted, right? How many do you need again?

[peak dock]

80 i think

[jolly geyser]

yee,80

wonder if the bug is fixed, I gamba

[placid ocean]

Gunna have to pump out M+ dungeons this week then if I want to make a weapon

[shy meteor]

if im playing FB and im at 1 CP and have 3 stack of opportunity, do I SS or PS ?

[placid ocean]

Kinda hard to stay caught up when I'm working 12 hour days, 6 days a week 😭

[gaunt phoenix]

you ss

its the optimization

*if you have stage 2+ rtb

[jolly geyser]

11 delves give myth 4 times if you got the lvls

[keen belfry]

24 hours a day u gotta want it

[shy meteor]

yeye

ty solo

[sterile dune]

Pangolin too cool to count as furry race

Replace with vulperas plz

[keen belfry]

need more furries in game

in game

[wintry solar]

I work 12 for 7 days, you can make it work. I believe in you....

[placid ocean]

I need my beauty sleep. 12 hours of work, 12 hours of sleep

[sterile dune]

And kid diddlers too while we are at it

[gaunt phoenix]

What

[keen belfry]

get him solo

[gaunt phoenix]

stop

[placid ocean]

What a weird thing to say

[sterile dune]

That’s what it inevitably leads too

[placid ocean]

No?

[sterile dune]

One type of degeneracy breeds a home for another type

[keen belfry]

this is where u say mbmb

[sterile dune]

Bro look at roblox and vrchat, every single discord groomer on there

[keen belfry]

and then ask about fth

[jolly geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-please-speed-i-need-this-tired-blow-gif-15401023925154467112

[keen belfry]

jaywalker!

[sterile dune]

Thank the lord I never played those games

[placid ocean]

Look at the Whitehouse.

[keen belfry]

chat lets talk about outlaw

[sterile dune]

True

[wintry solar]

What a sudden turn

[keen belfry]

popo is this my fault?

[wintry solar]

Not at all

[keen belfry]

i brought up pangolin furries

this might be on me

[jolly geyser]

pangolins are cool animals

[keen belfry]

ill take this one

[placid ocean]

Do pangolins even have fur?

[vivid vessel]

isnt this the audacity guy

[jolly geyser]

armor more like

[sterile dune]

No, they have scaled armour

[vivid vessel]

just ban him already he is cooked

[wintry solar]

Well it's not like, completely on you but you're not 100% innocent kwim

[keen belfry]

yeah icic

[wintry solar]

I'd say like

[placid ocean]

Druid tank form

[wintry solar]

10% at most

[vivid vessel]

nice cp bar bro

[keen belfry]

nice what?

[sterile dune]

Nice what???

[vivid vessel]

cp bar

[wintry solar]

Lole

[placid ocean]

cp bar

[sterile dune]

Dont say that

[cinder relic]

Stop being weird

[keen belfry]

jaywalker gonna say some shit

[random stirrup]

zachary get back into a key so i can steal your ui more ty

[sterile dune]

I literally will not

[placid ocean]

What add on do you use?

[cinder relic]

Then you will get muted, and then banned

Act normal

[keen belfry]

is this where i plug wangbar or say WA @vivid vessel

[sterile dune]

I just dont like furries

Ok?

[cinder relic]

I don't care

[sterile dune]

I cant help it

[cinder relic]

Just stop being weird

[keen belfry]

jaywalker is going off rn

[wintry solar]

Can't spell wangbar without wa

[vivid vessel]

are you still using wangbar instead of my weak aura ?

why would you do that noob

[hasty hearth]

Howdy friendos. Helping a friend of mine get back into WoW, and we're noticing he's doing about 30% less DPS than our other guildies, pretty consistently.

What are some common pitfalls that Outlaw might fall into? And using this example of a boss in our M+, is anything blatantly wrong?

[keen belfry]

no but i cant admit this cause imagine the creator of wangbar not using wangbar

[jolly geyser]

wankbar be good

[vivid vessel]

[sterile dune]

Most common pitfall is that rogue is weak atm

[vivid vessel]

you not using wangbar ?

i cant breo

[placid ocean]

The biggest pitfall is outlaw.

[keen belfry]

no no im using it

[shy meteor]

is wangbar still the best for cp´s?

[random stirrup]

wtf?

[cinder relic]

U guys are so fucking worthless

[hasty hearth]

Hmm ok. He's even behind our other Rogues, but... :S Yeah fair.

[placid ocean]

😭

[random stirrup]

not like this awangawangaw...

[cinder relic]

"hey I need help on rogue"
UH ROGUE SUCKS

Yeah man great help

[hasty hearth]

Yeah kinda, lol.

[sterile dune]

Does he know the standard rotation? Outlaw’s rotation is the hardest

[severe fractal]

@vivid vessel where is you wa?

[sterile dune]

Its high apm

[severe fractal]

still working?

[gaunt phoenix]

see this #outlaw message

[keen belfry]

@random stirrup @vivid vessel

[placid ocean]

Idk, their damage profile seems about right to me

[cinder relic]

It's hard to tell just from a damage breakdown either way what he's doing wrong specifically

[sterile dune]

U neef like fast fingers and low input lag

[fair iron]

BANGER

[random stirrup]

ive been abandoned...

[sterile dune]

!rotation

[upper hawk]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[hasty hearth]

He claims to, but... hard for me to know without watching his keyboard, hehe. Any evidence in the log I posted, perhaps? Something not being cast often enough?

[sterile dune]

His finishers, how many times are they cast

He either not gen cp enough or using shit in wrong order

[keen belfry]

the biggest thing u can do to improve if u truly care is record gameplay

outlaw logs are quite bad and dont tell much

they can tell u problems but not whys of problems

[placid ocean]

What's the SnD uptime?

[hasty hearth]

Yeah I just wanna approach him with some suggestions gently first, hehe.

[lime lake]

Wtf

[vivid vessel]

nice bro

[gaunt phoenix]

snd is automatically casted by dispatch it's unlikely that is an issue

[keen belfry]

yes

[hasty hearth]

Looks to be about 92%, which could make sense for spots where he has to run for a mechanic.

[hasty hearth]

Yeah he mentioned this.

[vivid vessel]

should be 100% he needs to press dispatch first finisher

[keen belfry]

most people who struggle with outlaw fail with pressing thigns on cd and combo point generation/wasting

[vivid vessel]

he prolly forgot

[placid ocean]

Maybe they're just so cooked that they didn't take the talent

[wintry solar]

It's baseline

[frigid olive]

Is it just me or is outlaw hard getting m+ groups for rn? I"m only ~1700 but it takes me 4 or 5 tries to get a +7 or +8

[gaunt phoenix]

you need a good ui and keybind setup to track and hit everything without delay

[keen belfry]

ui setup is so op

[placid ocean]

Maybe I'm so cooked that I didn't realize this

[wintry solar]

[balmy topaz]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wintry solar]

Perhaps

[jolly geyser]

we are all cooked

[placid ocean]

Outlaw life

[wintry solar]

I'm not, I woke up recently

[placid ocean]

Do you have any recommendations?

[hasty hearth]

Is this a believable enough differential to just chalk the whole dungeon up to "Rogue Bad"?

[keen belfry]

lmao no

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[placid ocean]

That's just bad damage

For both

[balmy topaz]

WAIT

[lime lake]

Waiting

[balmy topaz]

285 crafted dagger sims more that 289 dagger from raid

[keen belfry]

base things to understand more:
ilvl? haste %? i bet we could see some heinoussness to address even in logs with dmg that low

[vivid vessel]

waiting

[balmy topaz]

WTF

!!!

ALOOO

[vivid vessel]

off hand ilvl is always meh

its not a first bro

better stats > off hand ilvl

altough off hand ilvl is decent this tier

[balmy topaz]

Ye

It's only 200 dps

dif

[hasty hearth]

Mind if I DM you? 😂

[keen belfry]

sure cuh

that guy sucks at outlaw but maybe he can help us get more buffs?

blaming that poor of performance on spec gap is alpha mentality

if he did 54k overall i bet his blade flurry wasnt even on

[gaunt phoenix]

We need a ui pic

[wintry solar]

I wish I could have it so my screen turns black when I don't have BF up

[inland acorn]

Reminds me of old ks weakaura turning your screen black

For roulette of life

[wintry solar]

Yeah

Imagine needing that though

Weak bloodline

[keen belfry]

tracking bf with bar is op

[wintry solar]

[keen belfry]

icons are DONE

[placid ocean]

I think my issue is I keep messing up my rolls somehow

Because I also do like... 60k overall

Also my tanks positioning is very unfriendly for melee

[keen belfry]

have 2 buff? dont roll
dont have 2 buff? roll

tldr kinda

[wintry solar]

That doesn't mean roll off a 3 or jackpot btw

[hasty hearth]

Lemme know if anything stands out to you. :)

[sterile dune]

No, this definately also partially a skill issue

[keen belfry]

rtb AR opener

[hasty hearth]

Was definitely hoping to not have it just blasted everywhere. :P

Hence the private DM.

[keen belfry]

i can delete i fu want

we help via community flame here

[placid ocean]

I should have rtb up for AR though, right?

Because I somehow manage to desync them

[hasty hearth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:LWB76q4Jnm3zhR8v?fight=last

[keen belfry]

u dont really TRY to have that happen it should just happen

[hasty hearth]

Does that work? Anonymous mode?

[placid ocean]

Likely just not tracking cd's and buffs well enough

[keen belfry]

having rtb up for ar isnt really a thing you ever think about

[placid ocean]

It's more for the loaded dice

[kind vapor]

to many buttons for outlaw opener

[keen belfry]

yeah but my point still stands

u dont lose loaded dice if u dont have rtb up the second u press AR

[placid ocean]

Yeah

[keen belfry]

and often u dont even instantly roll after you AR

[sturdy phoenix]

Do you guys have the same issues with ressource bar since today ? Using zac UI

[placid ocean]

Whats the duration of loaded dice?

[keen belfry]

long time lik 40 seconds

i often press RTB right before loaded falls off

like very often

[placid ocean]

So I should just track loaded dice

[kind vapor]

why not do it instantly after so you dont have to worry about it

[barren plover]

Did my sim for trinkets (dungeon slice). Followed wowhead guide for bis trinkets. Is there anything wrong with my sim? Showed me such small gains on best trinkets against ones which i use (Crucible/Undreamt God - both 263)

[keen belfry]

the only things u activel should track imo are:
pistol shot, loaded dice, rtb buff, bf, and maybe grave digger

snd is worth an icon too

[keen belfry]

what if u jackpot and loaded dice up

why would u roll there?

[frail veldt]

theres a ton of times you dont LD roll immediately

[gaunt phoenix]

looks normal, there are many close trinkets, especially when gearing/low ilvl

crucible of erratic energies is the best stat budgeted trinket at champion ilvl

[balmy topaz]

@gaunt phoenix Did they fix the sim for gaze after bugfix or did it never show it in the sim?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's fixed now

on Latest

[balmy topaz]

I presume it's still good

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah it's up there

[placid ocean]

I have bf, ar, and rtb buff tracked. Pistol shot is for procs I assume? Because I'm ok at just watching the icon to see if it has 3 or 6 stacks

[gaunt phoenix]

Not omega bis

[balmy topaz]

Still "bis"

[gaunt phoenix]

plume and ranger should be slightly ahead

[keen belfry]

as long as u can see when u have procs and ho wmany, yes

[balmy topaz]

Noice

Ngl I thought ranger would reset more

It does around 2% in a key

[keen belfry]

meh

[hasty hearth]

So anything stand out that I can tell my friend? :)

[gaunt phoenix]

i already sent you a message of common errors that i can guess might happen

[hasty hearth]

Yeah I sent that along.

[keen belfry]

solo he didnt press BF until 8 seconds into the first pull

[gaunt phoenix]

you can also look at this log review https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1486489911505981642

probably doing those too

[keen belfry]

@hasty hearth he should know this is giga damage loss

[placid ocean]

Alright, so I just need to track grave digger and loaded dice, and I should be set.
Then I gotta figure out what else I'm doing wrong but I think that's mostly just a rotational thing that'll come with time.

[keen belfry]

even this, i clicked on some random pull and his bf had 82% uptime

thats super bad

[hasty hearth]

Okay great, thank you. :D

Will let him know.

[placid ocean]

If AR has less than 30 seconds left on cd, we hold BtE, right?

[gaunt phoenix]

i missed that actual logs were posted

[frail veldt]

ye

[keen belfry]

he also needs like 200 more haste, tell him to use a haste flask

this doesnt explain his farts smelling as bad as they do, but this would help a little bit if he increases these stats a bit

[fair iron]

ya

[keen belfry]

dont use zac ui

its so ass

[fair iron]

opening wa and closing resets/fixes it atm

[hasty hearth]

So main thing we can see is BF uptime on trash, and stats.

Anything on bosses, per chance?

[keen belfry]

yes kinda ish

theres more than that

but have bf up way more and more haste and then crit will help increase the floor

i mean he needs to understand how bad it is that half of his first AR of the key had no BF up

[sturdy phoenix]

yeah and for me it show again when leaving combat, tried multiple version of m33kaura, and not working :/

[keen belfry]

cursed opener

[gaunt phoenix]

blade rush also has priority, no reason to delay it for 12 globals

[balmy topaz]

@gaunt phoenix https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nTieQGkR6T5RSkit2vGw3h

[gaunt phoenix]

?!

[balmy topaz]

It seems to sim well still

[keen belfry]

69% bf uptime in a pack

gg

[gaunt phoenix]

it does sim well

[proven ocean]

U delayed blade rush for 12 seconds and u call urself a gamer

[hasty hearth]

I asked him about this and he said "Because I don't have 4-set it isn't as important?" 🤔

[balmy topaz]

[gaunt phoenix]

it's still going to ber a top 3 trinket or w.e

[balmy topaz]

Ignore me

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[keen belfry]

U think this is me big bro?

[gaunt phoenix]

blade rush is needed for energy and just does good damage especially in aoe, it's our only aoe that is uncapped

it's a cooldown, they have priority over finishers, or you lose cdr on them

[frail veldt]

he prob needs to checkout the faq sounds like hes missing some fundamentals of the priorities

[proven ocean]

Hi buddy

[leaden folio]

outlaw uncap

[keen belfry]

Zeross context clues come on man…

[frail veldt]

and yeah conceptually you can kinda figure out a lot of outlaws rotation just by optimizing cdr and optimizing cp usage

[proven ocean]

Are u from arkansas gnawa?

[keen belfry]

No but I’ve been there once

[hasty hearth]

Noted, thank you!

[kind vapor]

is tehre a way to track loaded dice with an addon?

[gaunt phoenix]

loaded dice is part of the cooldown manager

in the base game

[hasty hearth]

And great, tyty.

[gaunt phoenix]

it just looks like rtb at first

[kind vapor]

so LD is only activated on AR?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, pressing AR gives you loaded dice for 45s, which is then consumed by the next roll

[kind vapor]

So there is no random chance to proc a LR with out it

[sullen geode]

Yo quick question, is HO still not a thing?

[jolly geyser]

it be dead

[wintry solar]

Yarr

[vagrant agate]

!PI

[frail veldt]

LD procs exclusively from pressing AR

you can still randomly roll any stage buff

LD just guarantees that your next roll generates a minimum of stage 2

[kind vapor]

ty

[leaden hazel]

again what was the haste cap we needed to reach?

20ish?

[tranquil folio]

25ish

[leaden hazel]

fukingish

[frail veldt]

you dont need to hit 25

you'll find that your sim starts preferring crit over haste around 20ish percent

but below 20 haste should be top prio usually

[leaden hazel]

So FB wants between 20 to 25?

[frail veldt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[leaden hazel]

I mean, at what haste does AR hit max?

[frail veldt]

I think ar max gcd is 21 iirc but you still want more for energy

[leaden hazel]

more!?

Unlimited poooweeer!

[frail veldt]

but yeah just stack haste up to 21 then start simming gear for upgrades

[keen belfry]

thats sick a guy was doing 54k overall and said his spec sucks

[kind vapor]

can you macro to use Blade rush after blade fury every time

flurry

[placid ocean]

Haste should increase the duration of AR like it does for dance

[jolly geyser]

mastery could do that

by significant %

[frail veldt]

ngl I dont think we need to make haste any stronger

tyvm

but it would be nice if haste didnt hit such an aggressive diminishing return

so how about we remove the haste tax entirely and only have haste increase adr duration haha

the gcd reduction requiring haste is the most toxic way blizzard has ever added stat value to a spec

nocap

[jolly geyser]

but but haste has value now

[proven ocean]

@lone crow @vivid vessel im gonna buy the new 9950x3d2 dual edition cpu

Its so fuxking op

[jolly geyser]

[proven ocean]

208mb v cache vs 96 on the 7800x3d

[jolly geyser]

buy me one

[proven ocean]

64 on the 9800x3d

[placid ocean]

Make mastery useful again

[proven ocean]

So the new 9950x3d2 has 208

Wtf

[summer swan]

i crafted 2 weapons 1h sword and dagger? is it nonsense?

[proven ocean]

Its the only cpu that excels in gaming and workloads

So its prob faster than 9800x3d

By alot

[jolly geyser]

seems fine

[tranquil folio]

how much dps has everyone else been doing in m+. I seem to be only doing 70-80k but have no tier and seem to be lagging behind everyone else. Just got done with one where I did 60k but healer couldn't keep up on the unavoidable damage and usually let me die first

[sick prawn]

What's your ilvl

[summer swan]

mine is 255 doing 90-95+ with 4p

[blissful idol]

@proven ocean price?

[magic steppe]

100-120 k

with 4p 266

[tranquil folio]

currently at 260

[magic steppe]

u got a 285 weapon ?

[proven ocean]

Unannounced but prob alot 700$+

[tranquil folio]

its 276

[proven ocean]

Its gonna be a crazy cpu tho

Cant wait

It’ll release end of april apparently

[magic steppe]

u got enchant ?

do you use BR and BF on cd ?

[patent mirage]

Some ranged are broken

Either they are broken or rogue is undertuned

Or both

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

idk why but

outlaw rng

is out of control

no cap

https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/CreativeFlaccidPigCeilingCat-AhrOQst8umQNHoiz

[proven ocean]

Wtf

9950x3d2 has double the v cache of 9800x3d

It’ll go crazy with my rtx 5090 in wow

Cant wait lmao

[vivid vessel]

i dont even know how these numbers are possible

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

you just roll crit buff

and then

suddenly

you chain 10 bte in a row

and its gg

[tranquil folio]

yeah I'm doin all the things, holding bte for ar if its within 30 sec. using ss at 1 cp to try and get to 3 before ps unless already at 6 opportunity stacks. Only thing I know for sure I could improve on rotationally is using rtb once the previous buff fell off but it doesnt stay off for too long usually one or two globals

[vivid vessel]

you are doing 5000% more damage

than usual

[keen belfry]

ive had some insane variance on first pulls of dungeons

[vivid vessel]

ye

i know right

its crazy bro

[proven ocean]

Bro

[vivid vessel]

this bte thing

is not real

[proven ocean]

The tech nowadays is going crazy

We got a crazy logitech mouse

[keen belfry]

ive done like 550k first pull pit of saron, and ive done like 280k

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

Now crazy cpu releasing

[vivid vessel]

i know

right !

[proven ocean]

Actually gg

[keen belfry]

i thik its just rtb bro

[vivid vessel]

nah

its bte

[keen belfry]

like if u roll a jackpot u do infinite dps

[vivid vessel]

i know but

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel 10800x3d2 will go nuts

[vivid vessel]

its only 30% more damage

getting jackpot vs 2 buff

[magic steppe]

i feel most of the time if im low on dps the solution is just doing rotation faster maybe you are just too slow and missing gcd if ur rotation is perfect

[keen belfry]

ye ye but like

[vivid vessel]

bte just stack forever bro

[keen belfry]

i swear i could 2 buff bte perma reset

and not compete with jacpot no reset

[proven ocean]

Guys

Real question tho

Is outlaw fun

[keen belfry]

maybe cope tho

[proven ocean]

Or

[vivid vessel]

maybe you are right

i do feel insane when jackpot

idk why

[keen belfry]

its legit jackpot

[vivid vessel]

does infintie dam

[sullen geode]

Its not fun until they bring HO back

[proven ocean]

Cuz im thinking of goijg back to wow and play outlaw

[keen belfry]

outlaw is most fun spec game in wow

[proven ocean]

Only outlaw

[keen belfry]

i do think if energy was better it would be banger

the lows are so bad

[vivid vessel]

the triple loaded dice opener goes crazy

[proven ocean]

Whats that

Wait

[proven ocean]

U actually like current outlaw?

Or

You’ll say no tho even if u do cuz ur biased

As usual

[magic steppe]

played one key as sub

[fathom bramble]

jackpot is just always good numbers and thanks to true bearing being active you have a higher chance of cracking out at some point

[magic steppe]

i fall asleep

[vivid vessel]

bro

just

[fathom bramble]

you can defintely highroll higher than normal rng jackpot though

[vivid vessel]

8 stack is 48% more damage

[mystic berry]

sub is an experience alright

[vivid vessel]

for the whole pull

dont tell me this rng isnt out of control bro

[proven ocean]

Its called microwaved design

U either cook real good

Or u dont

[mystic berry]

And sometimes you fuck up and get a one and you do healer damage

[keen belfry]

i think its just we have crazy pull to pull rng, kinda like s2 tww

[fathom bramble]

yeah jackpot+BTE rng can easily do double the damage of a 2 of a kind first pull

[proven ocean]

Big dam or no dam

[keen belfry]

but overall rng isnt crazy

[proven ocean]

?

S2 rng wasnt too bad tho

U still did same overall ish

[keen belfry]

on a pull to pull basis it kinda was

[proven ocean]

True

[keen belfry]

just cuz rtb

6 buff

[proven ocean]

O ye

I rmeembrr

[fathom bramble]

yeah stuff tends to average out given enough time

[keen belfry]

mhm

[fathom bramble]

but like a random 15 second sample has crazy variance

[keen belfry]

but rn yeah pull to pull is crazy

[fathom bramble]

800k first pull seat down to 400k for just no reason

[keen belfry]

BUT i think its a good variance

[mystic berry]

outlaw should just be renamed to gambler

[vivid vessel]

i feel like its never been this bad bro

cant wait to see what numbers you can reach with gear

im still blue geared

imma hit 1 milli bro

no cap

im telling you

[keen belfry]

i still think eveyr build needs loaded dice

jackpot op

[vivid vessel]

im naked rn sending nukes

[keen belfry]

your crucible gotta be better than one of those trinkets cuh

at same ilvl

[vivid vessel]

no wdym

both these trinkets are utlra turbo bis

[keen belfry]

mine outsimes same ilvl skyreach trinket by like .6

[granite quarry]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[outer meteor]

looking good guys

i got in one

[placid ocean]

Just do what I do and have a group you run with

[upper hawk]

You’re a genius. You should write a guide

[outer meteor]

dammit i should ve thought of that sooner

[placid ocean]

Stryx's Comprehensive Guide to Getting into Keys as a Rogue
Step 1: Have friends
Thats it. That's the guide.

[tired wolf]

Do i just sit on AR if i still have loaded dice and a 2+ buff

[gaunt phoenix]

No, you use AR again

[frigid olive]

Sub out-damaged me by a decent amount in Pit of Saron +8. Do I just suck or is sub better rn?

[gaunt phoenix]

If you have stage 2 and only stage 2, then you can roll

[tired wolf]

gotcha

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are about to lose loaded dice

[keen belfry]

solo do u just vibe call losing your ld

[frail veldt]

could be both

[vivid vessel]

i do

pure vibes

[keen belfry]

thats what i do

[tired wolf]

thats what ive been doing

[frail veldt]

p much

[keen belfry]

i never roll a jackpot even if low

[frail veldt]

oh ill roll over a jackpot if its <5s

if im gona lose LD for sure

[tired wolf]

like do you roll a jackpot with 10s left and your ld is about to expire

[frail veldt]

cuz fuck playing rogue at stage 1

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not a sim thing

[frail veldt]

miss me with that

[tired wolf]

10-20s

[keen belfry]

10s aint no way im keeping that jackpot

[frail veldt]

sames

[dark ember]

If you have 10 sec of Jackpot you should be able to get AR back even if 2 min cd or something smh. Krill issue.

[frail veldt]

10s of jackpot and 30s of stage 1?

or 30s of stage 2

easy choice

[tired wolf]

is there a duration where you do though

[frail veldt]

not even close

[keen belfry]

unless its like expiring, i keep my jackpot cuz i like the icon

[dark ember]

10 sec of Jackpot because the boss is probably about to do that RP mechanic anyway

[full dawn]

@keen belfry is wangbarcdm still in the works? or you swap to something else?

[keen belfry]

ayijecdm

[dark ember]

Also just don't roll Stage 1

Outlaw is only for those with good luck.

[full dawn]

ohhhhh, i'll check that out

[sick bronze]

Is there a passive that speeds up cooldowns if you don’t stack in combat or something

Getting back into rogue after a break since sneedolands

[frail veldt]

deadly pursuit

[dark ember]

Smoke break talent

[frail veldt]

blizzards attempt at downtime protection

not the greatest

[placid ocean]

I really shouldn't be playing outlaw

[dark ember]

Sorry, it's not for everyone.

10 luck builds only

[mighty pivot]

guys are you ready for gigatuning to be announced today

[placid ocean]

I can see it now
"We've noticed that raids are still bringing rogues, so we've decided to give them a flat 20% aura nerf across the board"