outlaw

[wintry solar]

ive no idea where he got that from

I am

[outer meteor]

i already cant get into keys guys!

[wintry solar]

if anything, I've talked about being at work so I cant level my other outlaws

[zinc briar]

didnt get any piece of raid/lfr and just got 1 of chest and 2 catalysts, cant get 4?

i have to wait like a rtard since next week?

[outer meteor]

welcome to the club buddy

[mighty pivot]

are your outlaws the opposite of your in-laws?

[wintry solar]

lololol

ye

[vivid vessel]

@cinder relic

no rogue comp on last boss aswell

its so over bro

[cinder relic]

BRO lmfao

they just killed

[vivid vessel]

well ye

and they already swapped people

[rocky canopy]

nah theyre unironically trolling

[vivid vessel]

for the new boss comp

[rocky canopy]

like lets take 3.6 more damage for fun

lol

rogue is insane for alleria

[vivid vessel]

what

ye bro 3.6% damage

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-kitty-bleh-vPzbDN4rBxuvtpSpzF

insane stuffs bro

[rocky canopy]

you wanna take

3.6% more damge every pull?

bve my guest

[vivid vessel]

why not just take a spec that does 20% more damage

3.6%

insane numba

[rocky canopy]

rogue isnt that bad

[vivid vessel]

kill the boss 3.6% faster with a spec that does 20% more damage

and you took 3.6% less damage

checkmate nerd

[timid idol]

what % did liquid die on

[rocky canopy]

idk i really disagree with 4 hunters over bringing a rogue or a raid buff spec on paladins

rogue isnt even that bad and 3.6% dr is a lot

[vivid vessel]

on paladin ?

[rocky canopy]

yes

[frail veldt]

Wow bro you should raid lead

[vivid vessel]

ok serious question

are you stupid

[soft abyss]

hunters do like 2x dmg

[frail veldt]

I bet max didn't think of that

[rocky canopy]

max literally said

he might bring a rogu

[vivid vessel]

no cap you said

[rocky canopy]

are youy tfucking autistic

lkol

[vivid vessel]

paladin

[rocky canopy]

yes

[vivid vessel]

rogue does

[soft abyss]

what are all these people smoking

[vivid vessel]

hjunter does

2x

roguer damage

[rocky canopy]

max literally himself said they could bring a rogue instead of a 6 healer

[vivid vessel]

on paladin

[soft abyss]

3.6 Vs a class that does 2x dmg

[vivid vessel]

bro said

rogue instead of hunter

worth it bro

[rocky canopy]

okmay bro take 3.6% more damage for fun sure

lol

[vivid vessel]

3.6%

no cap

[rocky canopy]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

for fun

[rocky canopy]

you play paaldin

'for devo

why not paly rogue

for the same exact thing

[vivid vessel]

just kill boss 3.6% faster

[rocky canopy]

make it make sense

[frail veldt]

Palas better

[vivid vessel]

you took 3.6% less dam

easy enough

[rocky canopy]

like you people are just

[frail veldt]

Duh?

[rocky canopy]

baiting

[vivid vessel]

xdd

why not play rogue

he said

cause it does less damage

??

[soft abyss]

in assa channel there was a guy saying the exact same things

paladins is a boss where they didn't bring dk

[frail veldt]

Industry plants

[rocky canopy]

theyre not even

wiping to enrage

[vivid vessel]

this guy must be a warlock main no cap

[rocky canopy]

on the boss

[soft abyss]

imagine not bringing a dk

[rocky canopy]

so why not take less damage

[vivid vessel]

but they wiped at 0.2% tho

imagine if they had 0.2% more dam

boss would be dead

insane

[mighty pivot]

damn they must be really dumb not bringing a rogue

[frail veldt]

Defensive are a min spec

Damage doesn't have diminishing returns

There's no reason to be tankier than needed

[vivid vessel]

they are hard trolling bro

[mighty pivot]

they are noobs gg

[vivid vessel]

imagine if you could just take 3.6% less damage

fro free

[rocky canopy]

yeah guys rogue sucks and its horrible and atrophic sucks

lol

[vivid vessel]

noobs

xd

[rocky canopy]

im a rogue main guys hahahahaha rogue sucks atrophic sucks never brign rogue

thats what ill say guys

[mighty pivot]

atrophic is good

[vivid vessel]

atrophic best raid buff

me take 3.6% less damage

[rocky canopy]

i love to take 3.6% more damage every fight

on hard mythic encounters

i love that

[frail veldt]

If you aren't dying to the raid wide damage checks then you don't need atrophic

It's as simple as that

[rocky canopy]

you should have a debuff zac that makes you take 3.6% more damage every fight

[vivid vessel]

your brain took more than 3.6% damage

[soft abyss]

Atrophic is ok, but tuning now is shit

[rocky canopy]

you'd like that

wouldnt you

[soft abyss]

and the fight

this specific fight

is ultra shit for melee

[frail veldt]

Atrophic is fine but not good enough to make up for bad tuning

[mighty pivot]

atrophic would make more sense if rogue wasn't dogtier rn. You can only afford so much just to bring a raid buff (that isn't that strong anyway)

[soft abyss]

and for rogue

[vivid vessel]

would take it for damage

gimme enough damage

i take that debuff

[rocky canopy]

rogue isnt dogtier though its not as bad as you guys are pretending it is

[frail veldt]

Tell the racers then

Let them know they're wrong

[rocky canopy]

its worth bringing one rogue for atrophic

almost absolutely

[frail veldt]

Go for it

[rocky canopy]

when your whole raid is getting smoked

[frail veldt]

You seem to know better

[mighty pivot]

go tell them because they are noobs

[rocky canopy]

and your not dying to enrage specifically

[glass mortar]

what is even happening in this discussion

what did i come in to

[frail veldt]

Hit up liquid tell them to fire max

[mighty pivot]

clearly you know much better than them tho

[vivid vessel]

onmly thing getting smoked is your takes noob

[glass mortar]

how is there any better example in the world of how dogshit atro is as a raidbuff

[vivid vessel]

brain full of smoke rn

[glass mortar]

then this race

[rocky canopy]

yeah guys ill just say rogue sucks and atrophic sucks instead

[glass mortar]

the racers r just memeing about rogue being bad guys

[frail veldt]

Well the racers are wrong weran

Didn't you know

[cinder relic]

Its more to do with how undertuned rogue is than it is atro in a vacuum

[glass mortar]

like yea its a raid buff

[cinder relic]

Rogue generally isnt this bad lol

[rocky canopy]

like i swear you can play rogue

[frail veldt]

Yeah it's a combination

[rocky canopy]

on these fights

and just take 3.6% less damage

[frail veldt]

Bro let them know!

Maybe they don't know

[glass mortar]

it just barely makes up for anything

[frail veldt]

That atrophic is reduced damage

[glass mortar]

rogue cant be this bad and still be brought for it

there are raid buffs whered ud take a dps if it was doing half another

[rocky canopy]

i mean max literally mentioned bringing a rogue on paladins

so

[glass mortar]

atro isnt one of them

[rocky canopy]

idk what u guys are on

lol

[cinder relic]

u r aware he is referencing max saying rogue "isnt that bad"

[mighty pivot]

it must be a new ragebaiter tbh

[glass mortar]

simple as

[frail veldt]

Actions speak louder

[rocky canopy]

like max literally himself said on stream about bringing a rogue

[frail veldt]

Actions

[rocky canopy]

and you guys all act like rogue is completely unviable

[vivid vessel]

no i think your take is terrible

[frail veldt]

Goalposts well shiet

[vivid vessel]

you litteraly came in here

and said

they are trolling

[mighty pivot]

nobody said it's not viable

[frail veldt]

Now we're on "viable"

[vivid vessel]

not brining rogue

[glass mortar]

if they said that then idk i dont agree with that

[vivid vessel]

[rocky canopy]

alleria rogue is good

[glass mortar]

i havent seen them say that in this convo tho

[frail veldt]

Goal posts are in motion

[rocky canopy]

idk man

i wouldnt walk into a boss without a raid buff me personally

[vivid vessel]

not if its you on rogue for sure

[rocky canopy]

not you either buddy

[frail veldt]

You should lead the next race

[vivid vessel]

mad cause bad

owned

gg

[rocky canopy]

ya bro rogue sucks gg

im a doomer

[vivid vessel]

gg

you are smarter than me

[glass mortar]

i mean

its a pretty poor show when pure dps classes arent brought to bosses

thats rare shit

usually 1 off for bosses they dont match with

having it on so many bosses is sad

generally everything in this game is tuned well enough to be viable for 99% of the playerbase

thats an extremely low bar

i dont disagree with u rogue passes it

[vivid vessel]

they only brought rogue on the boss that drop a dagger to not waste the dagger drop

[glass mortar]

but

that doesnt excite me

[vivid vessel]

bro acting like atro is a real raid buff like war raid buff

i cannot

[rocky canopy]

honetsly bro i dont evne give a fuck LMFAO ill stand by what i said i think theyre trolling by not bringing a rogue

rogue isnt that bad and 3.6% dr is nice

[soft abyss]

the issue isn't about rogue as it is about ranged DPS being 2x

[vivid vessel]

LMAO

[soft abyss]

rogue is fine

and is tuned where it should be

[frail veldt]

Fine is a meaningless word in this context though

[soft abyss]

but all specs should be around there

[wintry solar]

well

sub is where it should be

[frail veldt]

Rogues raid buff is not good enough to justify the damage loss of bringing one

[soft abyss]

the problem is locks do 2x hunters do 2x

[vivid vessel]

they are trlling by not bringing a rogue and its litteraly the worse raid buff, worse than dk and wl raid buff and they dont even have one

[rocky canopy]

i dont think thats true

[frail veldt]

That's just the fact of it

[rocky canopy]

i dont think they do 2x our damage

[vivid vessel]

and its also giga mid

[rocky canopy]

idk maybe im wrong

like

maybe rogue is actual 100k dps absolute dogass

but im pretty sure its just mid of the apck

[soft abyss]

in paladins they are doing 3times our dmg

[rocky canopy]

even if its mid of the pack

why wouldnt you take it for atro

in paladins you can

destroy a shield add

idk what spec you play honestly all specs are the same

[soft abyss]

because sub is the good spec and sub in cleave is shit

[vivid vessel]

middle of the pack

[rocky canopy]

on their kill pull their hunters were doing like 180 i think

the second highest was devourer at like 160k or something

[tulip warren]

Outlaw is the middle of the pack of the other rogue speccs xD

[rocky canopy]

rogues probably doing a solid 120 or something idk

unless youre chain dying to enrage i think atro worth it

on a boss that fucks raid that hard

[soft abyss]

120 on pala?

[vivid vessel]

ok but you do understand that more dps means boss dies earlier

[rocky canopy]

honestly bro maybe i am kjust cooked in the head

idk

[vivid vessel]

its not just about enrage

[rocky canopy]

like maybe i am just cooked in the head

maybe rogue is just useless

[vivid vessel]

dies earlier everything is easier

[rocky canopy]

turbo useless mega ass

[frail veldt]

Why else wouldn't they bring one

[vivid vessel]

i mean we also never said that

[frail veldt]

The proof is in the pudding dude

[rocky canopy]

because liquid isnt

god

they make mistakes

[vivid vessel]

but you coming in saying they are absolutely turbo trolling not getting a rogue

[soft abyss]

also you can't play non sub I think

you just die

[rocky canopy]

def not absolutely trolling

i can admit

[vivid vessel]

when rogue buff is leigt hte most useless raid buff of them all

[rocky canopy]

that was hyperbole

[cinder relic]

I mean rogue kinda stinks but they also ran 1 rogue on dimensius when it was obviously a 2 rogue fight, same with nexus king

[rocky canopy]

yes

[vivid vessel]

so useless actually that when it stacked in df and tww no one ever cared

[rocky canopy]

they have historically

[cinder relic]

just cuz WF does x doesnt mean x is true

[rocky canopy]

undervaleud rogue

[vivid vessel]

never stacked rogues

[rocky canopy]

one thing to admit

[vivid vessel]

imagine you had 3.6% dr raid buff

and you could just stack rogues

to get to infinite dr

holy molly

no one ever played more than 2 rogues in good rogue seasons

gg

i guess no aware

(everyone knew)

cant play without this raid buff btw

[rocky canopy]

i mean on a fight specifically like paladins

a fight where theyre contemplating 6 healing

[slim hare]

he is cooked

[rocky canopy]

surely a dr raid buff isnt bad

[frail veldt]

It just means it's at least near optimal to drop one

They might not be perfectly right

But they're def not super wrong

[slim hare]

that 3.6% dr did (does?) stack and even with good dmg we are never stacked

[cinder relic]

Its a horrendous rogue fight, yes

[slim hare]

you are crazy if you think its relevant most of the time

[cinder relic]

But that doesnt take away from the fact that WF has historically undervalued rogue

On the actual good rogue tiers

Like MFO

[soft abyss]

I don't think someone is saying the boss could not die with a rogue

it seems easier without though

[vivid vessel]

i mean i dont think rogue is dogshit turbo tier

but this

[rocky canopy]

i mean

[soft abyss]

Also depends on the players and the chars they have geared etc

[rocky canopy]

theyre taking 3.6 more damage for fun

thats still true

they can just slot a rogue in and take less damge across the raid

as they all get fucked

health bar wise

[slim hare]

not for run

for .5 more player dps wise

[wintry solar]

they could just get another MW to make up for the extra damage taken

[rocky canopy]

thats th3e whoel debate

the healer vs dr debate

like do you play 5 healers plus a rogue

or 6 healers

type shit

obv in this case it didnt mater

but

[wintry solar]

well MW is a dps disguised as a healer so

its pm alright

[soft abyss]

also healer more than 3.6dr

[frail veldt]

could be a roster thing

even when outlaws pretty decent it gets ignored

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[frail veldt]

not many people play or want to play it ig

[vivid vessel]

outlaw hasnt been better tho

outside of council last tier

[cinder relic]

Its just rogue gets undervalued for a handful of reasons

[frail veldt]

yeah im just saying they could be valuing it accurately for their situation

[vivid vessel]

no bro

they have exile

tf you mean

wtf am i looking at bro

[slim hare]

so

[slim hare]

the mage from my guild discovered

that basically magi an the dot

double dip from the amp in p1

[vivid vessel]

wdym by double dip

[frail veldt]

magi pops based on damage you have done

so the damage gets increased one

[slim hare]

amp apply to magy

[timid idol]

if u were good at the game u would just simply outdps the rangeds

[frail veldt]

once*

then buffed again when it pops

[timid idol]

[frail veldt]

so twice

[vivid vessel]

i see

isnt that true for any damage amp

[slim hare]

then dot get amped a second time

[vivid vessel]

i have never heard of that before

why is that

[slim hare]

no

[timid idol]

cmon bro just outdps the frost mage

[slim hare]

cause usually they make it so its not the case

[vivid vessel]

how

[slim hare]

but they forgot apparently

[vivid vessel]

like say the damage amp in dungeon

like there are some long ones

why wouldnt it work

[slim hare]

its tagged in a way were it doesnt work

[vivid vessel]

i see

so i mean thats a bug then

gg

[slim hare]

but amp is applied by mobs maybe its cause of that

[vivid vessel]

hopeful bug abusing again !!

ban him !

[slim hare]

dont reallyy know

[vivid vessel]

would bet its because its a different instance of the damage amp

everytime it refresh, or drop and reapply

you know

[slim hare]

peobably y

but on logs

my arcane

did 80 percent of my damage during 8 min fighr

in 20 sec

balanced

[zenith egret]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[timid idol]

gut all rangeds

except devourer bcs its fun and i want to play it

devourer gets the pass this patch

[vivid vessel]

@cinder relic its over bro

last tuning

gg

[wintry solar]

yeah man

[mighty pivot]

what

[wintry solar]

stealth in pvp totally doesnt break to everything already

gg blizz

[vivid vessel]

what what

[inland acorn]

Gaze of the Alnseer - Fixed an issue where the internal cooldown could occasionally be unintentionally ignored.

[vivid vessel]

its the last tuning pass

:D

[inland acorn]

GG pin from solo

[vivid vessel]

gg nerfed

[rocky canopy]

oh they just fixed it lol

[mighty pivot]

no it's not or are you trolling

you are trolling nvm

[vivid vessel]

im not

its notes

from 8 min ago

[mighty pivot]

the notes are of today's hotfixes, tuning activates on new reset

[cinder relic]

This aint final tuning

[mighty pivot]

so i would show next week as date

[rocky canopy]

yeah theres prob tuning tommorow like actual class buffs n nerfs

[vivid vessel]

its over bro

[mighty pivot]

I mean I don't expect anything

[vivid vessel]

they just nerfed outlaw

[mighty pivot]

but that will be known tomorrow

[vivid vessel]

with the gaze nerf

gg

pack it up

[gaunt phoenix]

plssssssssssssss

[frail veldt]

anyone have this bug

[inland acorn]

It can't be over

[frail veldt]

where alleria isnt in your group

so you cant tricks her

[inland acorn]

If there was nothing to begin with

[vivid vessel]

good

fuck this bitch

@cinder relic

what hopeful is doing rn

killing third add

its our job aswell bro

sub boss

we are so back

[slim hare]

except he is doing 3 to 4 times sub damage

[cinder relic]

WE AER SO BACK

@olive star GET IN THERE

[vivid vessel]

i dont think that matters

he is overkilling it

10 times

big sub cds on that add

trust

[mighty pivot]

how much of a loss is that btw. I picked that trinket from my vault

[vivid vessel]

why you told on us tho

no pin no fix

they read it bro

no cap

[mighty pivot]

they only read to nerf

[vivid vessel]

can you pin that apex and ss cp gain is delayed solo

[inland acorn]

I think it's still like top3 or top4 trinket

[vivid vessel]

just lil test

[slim hare]

pi some complain and suggestion at this point

[inland acorn]

just not clearly #1 bis

[slim hare]

like ace combo point for .5

[zinc briar]

dont worry guys

[olive star]

huh?

[zinc briar]

we got prio damage

oh wait we dont

[vivid vessel]

get the outlaw on alleria

i heard it was good

[zinc briar]

hahahaha

[inland acorn]

it's good bench warmer

[olive star]

why did he say we are so back

does he know something i dont

[vivid vessel]

idk lol i just told him we can do same job as arcane mage in p1

cause 1min30

[cinder relic]

Yeh just fuckin around

[olive star]

HAHAHA

[vivid vessel]

[olive star]

nah

[cinder relic]

LOLOLOL

[vivid vessel]

exile bro ..

[olive star]

sub rogue 700k nuke?

where u guys getting the other 200k from

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

just get 2 sub rogues then ..

trust

i just know imma be carying that add in my progress

easy enough for the boys

[zinc briar]

from the another outlaw rogue of raid, its an aura

[mighty pivot]

what if each outlaw rogue got a 15% stacking buff for each other outlaw rogue in the raid

[leaden sonnet]

Assa burst bigger than sub these days anyway

[olive star]

no shot are u srs

[vivid vessel]

not at 1min30 tho

[slim hare]

2 min

[vivid vessel]

assa noob spec

[slim hare]

assa dont work on that phase

[leaden sonnet]

Outside of execute theyre about the same

[vivid vessel]

eleem is trinked fixed yet

[olive star]

funny

[leaden sonnet]

Or well, the simc spikes are similar, but thats with BL too ig

Maybe without BL sub still higher, either way sub isnt big burst andy anymore

[vivid vessel]

ok but 1min30 is cool kid cd

2min

imagine being a 2 min spec

i cant bro

you mean you are just like any other spec?

[zinc briar]

won t they fix our btw bug?

[vivid vessel]

ye bro

they will

next expac maybe

[zinc briar]

seems like i have 900ms when i do it to some bosses or mobs with distance

i overcaped 18927398123 combo points in vorasius

[inland acorn]

its because

bte from gravedigger

has actual* projectile

for some stupid reason

[junior glacier]

is there an addon that helps keep track of roll the bones ?

[vivid vessel]

ye the cdm

[junior glacier]

the wow one?

[vivid vessel]

hm

[wintry solar]

leftovers from a rework to a midrange spec

[vivid vessel]

world of warcraft ye

[wintry solar]

[vivid vessel]

blizzard cdm

[junior glacier]

ah ok ty

[inland acorn]

i wouldn't even be surprised

[narrow pasture]

midrange rogue would go hard

[wintry solar]

why

[narrow pasture]

guns

[lime lake]

pew pew

[wintry solar]

gentrification of outlaw frfr

Restless on the chopping block too? Perhaps RtB?

[inland acorn]

might as well add feint to the list

not like we can press it

in this energy economy

also if we're going full midrange rogue

are we renaming blade flurry to

gun flurry ?

[craggy barn]

they keep nerfing rogue

wtf

[wintry solar]

probably

[lime lake]

[wintry solar]

midrange rogue gives the same energy as ranged tank players

but its more tangible and thats what makes me sad

[lime lake]

ok trade offer then

mid range rogue but its actually sub

[wintry solar]

listening

[lime lake]

and they just throw shuriken

outlaw stays melee and actually loses 2 yards of range

[wintry solar]

go on

[mighty pivot]

give back Run Through and make it 15y range

[narrow pasture]

look at all the fun uhdks are having after they made their spec ranged

you wanna miss out on that?

[wintry solar]

I'll take it

[wintry solar]

yes

[lime lake]

gun through

[narrow pasture]

stop

the kitchen is about to catch on fire

we cookin too hard

[wintry solar]

I have an idea

SL Outlaw in its entirety

and thats it

[inland acorn]

which season version tho

[wintry solar]

doesnt matter

im talking design

[vivid vessel]

xd

[mighty pivot]

seems fine

MM on paladins seems fine too

[lime lake]

chungus gaming

[inland acorn]

i think that shadow priest is dangerously too close to #1 mage

aura buff mage 20%

[narrow pasture]

how do i fix the screen to view the yellow class?

its not showing up

[mighty pivot]

be colourblind

[inland acorn]

change color of all bars in details to yellow

[sonic pawn]

Best way to get dawnlight manaflux once u get 4set ?

or is it just play the game

[vivid vessel]

raid

for sure

drops crazy in raid

[narrow pasture]

raid or m+

[vivid vessel]

m+ seemed to be like 10% droprte per key for me

[inland acorn]

idk i've not dropped in raid yet

[vivid vessel]

somewhat low

[inland acorn]

got like 3 from m+

[vivid vessel]

i dropped 3 in one raid clear

[narrow pasture]

ye but spammable

[sonic pawn]

i assume bountiful delves would give aswell ?

[vivid vessel]

3 in 30 keys

[vivid vessel]

no clue never got one in bounti

did like 5

not enough data

[narrow pasture]

i only dropped 1 from hc clear

unluck

[vivid vessel]

skill issue bud

[zinc briar]

same here

[sonic pawn]

haha

[zinc briar]

1 for leather

80 for other

im stuck with 3 pieces now

i have to wait until next week

[vivid vessel]

also

[zinc briar]

this game is made by monkeys

[vivid vessel]

does anyone know what the maximum means

i havent used any yet

[inland acorn]

it means

you can hold up to 8

[vivid vessel]

ye thats it right

its kinda irrelevant

[inland acorn]

if you have 8, you can't drop more

[vivid vessel]

its not an actual max

[inland acorn]

till you use

[vivid vessel]

ye

why is hter even a max

[inland acorn]

idk

[narrow pasture]

legacy

[inland acorn]

why am i running out of energy

[zinc briar]

u just get catalyst for pieces that u did b4?

[inland acorn]

after pressing feint 3 times

[crimson scarab]

I got a mana flux charge from a bountiful delve so it works haha

[inland acorn]

all good questions to Blizzard

[narrow pasture]

do you exercise regularly?

someone was saying having to choose between using your main defensive and continuing your dps rotation is fine

wild take

[wintry solar]

What kind?

[hardy vault]

The not clever ones

[inland acorn]

i wouldn't even say main defensive

a lot of the times

it's your ONLY defensive

and without it

you're just getting shafted

because we're not stacking vers rn

gg

[wintry solar]

So like a Marmoset?

[zinc briar]

and u cant use feint with bad roll

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/yeojinburger-marmoset-pygmy-marmoset-cute-monkey-gif-4573297565511333170

[zinc briar]

it costs 9872384724 energy

u have to choose dont feint or lose into tank

[inland acorn]

or

[hardy vault]

Healers heal

[inland acorn]

floorpov and chill

[hardy vault]

If not

It’s their fault you died

[inland acorn]

if i didn't press feint

on vorasious

i would be dead

5 out of 5 times

that boss cranks aoe dmg

especially when adds explode + raid wide aoe from slamming tank

[wintry solar]

YOU crank AoE dmg

Ever think of that?

[inland acorn]

yes

and then i look at meters

and see hunter tripling me

and mage doubling

[wintry solar]

I'd rather this than being a midrange spec

[inland acorn]

I guess

[wintry solar]

The depths I'd go..

[zinc briar]

what can i do if i just have the piece of the chest and didnt get nothing of lfr, nm and hc?

to get the 4 set piece

[inland acorn]

wait for reset next week

[zinc briar]

lovely

[inland acorn]

you get 3rd charge next reset so

[zinc briar]

nice design

until next week im useless

[frail veldt]

you want them to spoonfeed it to you?

[zinc briar]

nice

[frail veldt]

outlaw tier sucks

it doesnt matter

[inland acorn]

ye

[frail veldt]

youre missing like 4% damage

[inland acorn]

but

he is missing

[sonic pawn]

4% is still 4%

[inland acorn]

14% sub tier

[frail veldt]

if youre feeling useless its not the tier causing it

truke

[zinc briar]

i want to change sub

[frail veldt]

do it

[zinc briar]

dont have tier to do it

[frail veldt]

I dont have tier either

and I can spec sub

is your ui broken"?

[hardy vault]

I did a few keys as assa and sub now, just because I felt like it

[frail veldt]

you just press the sub button

in the talents page

and it changes you to sub

[zinc briar]

no, im rotated in MM

[hardy vault]

And I do pretty much the same damage on all 3 specs

[zinc briar]

with 99 parses

[sonic pawn]

Not sure why blizzard decided to make our tier set around blade rush

[zinc briar]

coz im useless

[hardy vault]

Because they know we need it anyway for energy reasons

So they lean into it even more

[inland acorn]

because new cool animation

[haughty moat]

yo guys what is this and how do i get rid of it?

[vivid vessel]

spell opacity

in settings

[hardy vault]

Spell alert opacity

[vivid vessel]

nerd

[haughty moat]

kk ty

[sonic pawn]

rank 1 rtb needs to be reworked fucking hate seeing that purple shit buff

[crimson scarab]

I think all of us can relate

[sonic pawn]

i would think so no doubt

[inland acorn]

nah i love it

[narrow pasture]

the last titan rework will go hard

trust

[inland acorn]

roll stage 1 --> waste all tea charges in 2 pulls --> proceed to afk whole dungeon

it's actually first time i'm happy when there's RP in dungeons

because

I can possibly get tea charge back

[sonic pawn]

Outlaw feels pretty good if your constantly in stage 3 and 4 of RTB

[crimson scarab]

Gotta love this feeling

[neon rapids]

what about pressing buttons so hard that your hand hurts - you glance at a dps meter feeling good just to find out you are doing tank dps

[inland acorn]

That's like

most of my raid night

[remote pecan]

[neon rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-callouts-rogue-gif-26757787

[inland acorn]

pretty sure it shows 0 for everyone

cuz there's like

10 of us with mythic kills

[remote pecan]

cause we're soo bad ngl

[haughty wigeon]

Adapt, evolve, and learn to play with what you have to work with.

That is how Rogues roll as we always adapt. That is what makes us the most resilient class in the game.

👍

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[glass mortar]

u can tell he hasnt gone into a key yet

we are certainly nowhere close to the most resilient class in the game rn

😎

[bold patio]

man, i think i'm done with outlaw for the season

i can't take it anymore

[haughty wigeon]

Midnight hype train already is starting up. If you blink you will miss it.

👍

🏄‍♂️ : 🏄‍♀️

[daring yoke]

holy fk why deva so damn op in m+

[crimson scarab]

I lowkey enjoyed +10s as outlaw

Sometimes a bit squishy but still fun nevertheless

[cinder relic]

feels mega fun in 10s honestly

Its ofc undertuned but its fun

I really do like the new rotation

[crimson scarab]

I was also doing more than decent dmg

So for me felt satisfying

[long depot]

💔 Don't feel bad gng

[bold patio]

yeah, i did a couple 13s and it was actually fun, damage wise was ok

[hardy vault]

Hitting the 98-105k overall in dungeons on all 3 specs rn and keeping up with much better specs really feels cool

[crimson scarab]

One of the things that bug me the most is feint costing energy

Sometimes when ur at rtb 1 and need to feint

Feels just beyond awful

And ur out of tea

[hardy vault]

I think all 3 rogue specs suffer from that

A main defensive costing ur dps resource is icky

[inland acorn]

other 2 specs dont care that much tho

because they'll most likely not run out of energy in their cds

or pool for it

we don't have that luxury

so it doesn't really matter if they gimp their energy outside of cds

[obtuse brook]

with the crucible trinket, do we pick which protocol happens? or do they all happen? or is it random which?

[inland acorn]

no

Protocols just enhance the effects of the trinket

If you have them selected in the tree thingy, they'll be active and enhance trinket proc whenever it happens

[somber plank]

At 5 CPs with 3 Opportunity stacks, is it better to just Dispatch or send one more SS before finishing?

[inland acorn]

if your BtE is on CD

You dispatch

[somber plank]

on. cd

thank you

[inland acorn]

then dispatch at 5 is fine

[sand jewel]

They should just make blade furry a bit weaker but uncapped and boost the single-target. Maybe just make the CD’s pop a bit more. It’s not that hard.. ffs

And make it so we can talent blade furry to be stronger but capped for council fights etc

[daring yoke]

i did 120k overall in POS 10 and the ele did 160k overall.

ele is definitely S tier lol

[scarlet lagoon]

hmmm....

😅

[magic steppe]

outlaw is so ass i do 40 % less damage the best dps in my raid and im parsing 95-99

but the poney keep going X)

[daring yoke]

bruh i parsed 95 last night in heroic, but sits at 6th dps 😭

[magic steppe]

overall from my raid X)

halp

give outlaw a 10 % boost

[elder roost]

what boss is that

[magic steppe]

whole raid (only boss kills)

[elder roost]

yikes

outlaw is good in some fights it just sucks we use completely different weapons from every other spec so we cant just swap boss to boss easily

[magic steppe]

meh i feel like im only here for the poison debuff

[elder roost]

play sub xd

[magic steppe]

no im a poney

[daring yoke]

i dont know why they are so scared of buffing outlaw. not that many will play it even if its OP...

[hollow bloom]

They are afraid of our power and what we are capable of.

[waxen flower]

hello fellas, +9 overall dmg, any suggestions for improvement?

[cinder relic]

I think this is just a glass half empty situation

Ppl just dont seem to appreciate how good feint can, and usually is

No class has a 15 second CD 40% wall

[hollow temple]

when i get 4p, does it count acc wide so i can get them on alts too?

catalyst i mean

[sand jewel]

One wowhead in my guild said it did open for the alts the first days but that it was a mistake and they fixed it, so no, does not open for warband

[unborn ferry]

i think you get a big dps increase by switching to english but idk

[hollow temple]

ah damn wouldve been so nice for QoL or being able to play many alts now i need to farm my ass off xD

[sand jewel]

Yeah freakin sũcks, i was considering a reroll because they fisted my lovely spec and now the game that I pay for feels like work

[keen shale]

looking for some advice. according to raidbot my dps says i should be doing around 69k dps on patchwork fight, while in practice i can get maybe 50k max on target dummy. confused if im just playing the spec wrong or perfect robot is just that much better.

[snow stratus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[calm island]

!plater

[gaunt phoenix]

You shjould be able to match your sim

though it's an average result

[mighty pivot]

sim target dummy instead of patchwerk if you are testing with a dummy (it disables buffs and consums)

[gaunt phoenix]

easiest mistakes are using finishers at the wrong cps, you do not bte at 5cps

delaying globals, it is very easy to spend more than 0.8s choosing between the right action, espcially in like the opener when multiple shit is ready

make sure you're tracking all the cooldowns, it is easy to hit a finisher when blade rush or whatever is ready, any finisher that could have been a cooldown is lost cdr

and then there are the optimizations from faq, using sinister strike at 1cps with stage 2+ rtb, delaying bte for supercharger

[long barn]

If both BR and BF are up, you have 5+ target, which do you use first

[keen shale]

BF

[wintry solar]

BF

[keen shale]

That makes it way closer. Thanks for the tip!

Thanks everyone for tips and info!

[jovial dock]

anyone got a solid UI i could steal for outlaw?

[sick prawn]

!prepull

[eternal hound]

Hi guys random question

Is there a way to macro tricks to always target the tank without doing it manually?

[untold wadi]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[eternal hound]

Thanks!

[gusty path]

Is there any way to track our set 4?

[tacit shuttle]

When should I be optimally using preparation?

[uncut ginkgo]

better to do 2 ren enchants or 1 ren / crit?

[dry arrow]

Hi guys quick question, does outlaw suck ass on st w the m+ build or i dont get it? Im simming my self and do close to the sim but the dmg is realy sad.

[gaunt phoenix]

It's not great

In raid either

[eternal hound]

Btw uhh

To the guide makers....still have TWW S3 trinkies here

It probally dosen't matter

[cinder relic]

what page is that?

[lime lake]

i miss antenna

now we have its bastard child vessel

[lime lake]

looks like the overview page

[cinder relic]

Fixed

[royal schooner]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[gaunt phoenix]

that's a bit old

haste 21-23%, crit

[eternal hound]

So wait

If I have lower haste I need to swap talents?

[jade crag]

not really tbh, low haste is just going to make longer fights feel like ass since its also tied to our energy regen

I just used the Fate ST/AoE until i got my hast to 21%

haste

[eternal hound]

Oh so like

normal shit

[jade crag]

yea, no real reason to dip out of those builds other than personal pref for smaller stuff

[eternal hound]

I've kinda just

gotten used to keep it rollin

[jade crag]

keep it rolling can be a little hurdle, I always just hold it till im triple or jackpot

the annoying one is prep imo

[eternal hound]

Stage 2 isnt worth it?

Also good thing I don't raid ig?

[jade crag]

nah, stage 2 bonus is very common as you will always get at least stage 2 with AR

[keen belfry]

its worth it in scenarios to kir 2

[eternal hound]

And we dont care about cdr on KIR?

[keen belfry]

cuz u dont function at 1

[eternal hound]

I mean yeah rolling 1s sucks

[jade crag]

honestly its like, one boss where the ST build is realisticly pulling higher numbers than aoe/cleave

[eternal hound]

I try to hold off sometimes for AR even if I know its a mistake

[jade crag]

1s suck but you can just reroll in like 10 seconds of active combat

[keen belfry]

not always hehe!

[eternal hound]

Unironically outlaw is probably the most fun I've had in wow in a while

Rolling a 1 and crashing out immediately will never not be funny

[jade crag]

hitting jackpot back to back is very much neuron activation

[eternal hound]

Yesss

That shit is so good

[jade crag]

and while i love Outlaw I would also welcome a rework of rogue in general

[eternal hound]

I very much like current RTB

....I do agree

The amount of utility is kinda goofy

[jade crag]

yea old rtb was ass vs new

[eternal hound]

Old rtb is why I avoided outlaw

That, and I used to hate energy classes...

They've grown on me

[jade crag]

yea i mean, 2 of the specs are the same class fantasy and outlaw doesnt have much pirate left

outlaw should def lean into the lore of the dreadblades and demonic pirates much more

[eternal hound]

Wasn't there an ability that literally did a cannon barrage

In legion

[jade crag]

perhaps? I only played WoD and then took a break and came back in SL

[fathom bramble]

yeah

ground targetted 8 yard circle

very bad and kind of annoying to use

[jade crag]

but Outlaw not having ghost cannons but having a tumble weed is criminal

[jade crag]

yea they changed the mage and warlock versions of those to have target center versions of thier ground aoes

rain of fire etc

and i like em

[eternal hound]

Tbh im a stray arms main

[wintry solar]

idk, i didnt find it any more annoying than other ground targeted abilities

[fathom bramble]

I find them all annoying

to be clear

[cinder relic]

damn its over

LOL

[eternal hound]

I like classes with idenity panics lmao

[wintry solar]

but it was bad though unfortunately

[fathom bramble]

what's over?

[wintry solar]

but tuning is just a number

rwf I guess

[fathom bramble]

I mean last 2 bosses aren't even out

[jade crag]

you mean the trinket IntCD?

[eternal hound]

This week's race is over

Now they degen mythic splits

[surreal flower]

Time for alleria splits

[eternal hound]

Maybe keys too

[jade crag]

oh wait yea rwf

as soon as the class lists was all just green and purple i stopped looking lmao

[wintry solar]

I have my windows desktop background the WC3 Reign of Chaos main menu via wallpaper engine and I thought my yard was getting bombed

[fathom bramble]

horrible class balance + infinite splits makes the game easier I guesss

[jade crag]

there was a windows XP WoW theme back in the day

[eternal hound]

Wasn't tww s1 also horrifically balanced?

[jade crag]

might have been for tbc?

all i know is it went so hard

[wintry solar]

sick

[fathom bramble]

not even close to this bad

[eternal hound]

I stg we haven't has a good balanced s1 since like....df

[cinder relic]

alleria ded

[eternal hound]

Oh yeah I know its fucked

To noones surprise

[hollow temple]

It’s over bby

Liquid wins agane

[fathom bramble]

this one is like the worst in 10 years though idk

[eternal hound]

Idk if its worse then df s2

[jade crag]

im still in the camp of complex classes with high skill ceillings should always out damage the brain rotted classes with 3 buttons

[cinder relic]

Well wow hasn't ever been that game

[jade crag]

send those paladins to the bottom

[eternal hound]

I mean if wow was that game

Maybe there'd be utility tax

[jade crag]

i would be all for more utility use as for mechanics

im tired of hitting shields in order to use kick, but maybe i have run WS too much this week

[sterile dune]

I hope they buff audacity

Ir currently only makes us able to use it in combat

But for assa it has an additional eddect ontop of that

[wintry solar]

I'd like to not drop tight spender tho...

[sterile dune]

Like it has no energy cost

So for outlaw they should make it so ambush deals more edmt

Dmg

[wintry solar]

idk, its not good without HO, youre wasting opp proc chances without it.

that whole line of talents needs TLC for sure

[fathom bramble]

it would need to be very low energy cost of very high damage realistically

if it was like 10 energy you could fit it in I think

could even open up a demon no FTH build 🤔

[wintry solar]

thatd be crazy

but fth is here to stay for the forseeable future so nothing to worry about

I wouldnt be surprised if it stays for the next 5 expansions

I feel like its got that kind of legacy atp. Feels too integral to lose

[fathom bramble]

to do anything real cool they probably need to make it not replace sinister strike anymore

like it can't be meaningfully different from an actual sinistrer strike so long as it is replacing one

[quaint mauve]

i had a tank say im the best rogue theyve played with

felt so good

imagine if i was playing a real class am i right

[balmy topaz]

[wintry solar]

you gotta play when its bad so when its meta again, you cant be accused of being a fotm reroller

and thats enough motivation for me personally

[sturdy tartan]

HOW DO YOU DO IT

[balmy topaz]

Stab the boss

[fathom bramble]

did you make a mainhand?

[sturdy tartan]

I’m so lost with outlaw rn for some reason but I keep trying

[balmy topaz]

Ye

But my ilvl is still omega shit

264

@fathom bramble Are you just sending this trinket on cd

[sturdy tartan]

You using the recommended raid build ?

[balmy topaz]

Depending on the boss

I go m+ build but take prep on first boss

Then on 2nd I am full ST

[fathom bramble]

doomed

I thought you might have not crafted yet since you were so low

[balmy topaz]

I have LFR chest still

[fathom bramble]

and I've been using the trinekt just on CD unless there is a damage amp or meaningful 2 target soon

[balmy topaz]

Got you

[fathom bramble]

I'm holding 1 of my 2 crafts until after we kill salhadaar since "the first 4 don't matter"

[hollow bloom]

I think i still have like 220 blue pants and boots…super cursed

[fathom bramble]

in my guild leaders words

[balmy topaz]

I’ve been so tempted to craft boots

[fathom bramble]

I made a dagger

there is no good dagger in raid

[balmy topaz]

2nd boss dagger is fine tho

[fathom bramble]

and the crafted one is bis for embellishment anyway

is it though?

53 mastery is like

really bad

[balmy topaz]

Maybe I just craft dagger 2nd?

Idk

Just feels bad double crafting items I will be replacing

[quiet ore]

I did dagger and boots first two, will do mh 3rd if vault fails me next week, otherwise a ring, probably

[balmy topaz]

Not bad shout

Craft boots and if vault fails me craft dagger

[peak holly]

im fucked

any tip to leave the dg?

[balmy topaz]

Report stuck character on website w

[peak holly]

i'm free ty

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[junior coral]

how often do we get cata charges
?