outlaw

[vivid vessel]

unless you are unlucky with m+ loots or whatever

btw rate first vault

[stiff vector]

I got tier shoulders first so was just gonna make tier helm off piece but ye I guess Id eventually upgrade it

[vivid vessel]

i think neck is the best thing you can ever get in this first vault

[stiff vector]

ye so many rings/necks with good stats from dungeon slot

[random stirrup]

ye neck is insane

[vivid vessel]

276 ! !

thats like

[random stirrup]

276 + mega op for the real spec

[vivid vessel]

60 hc crests

for free !

for free ?

for me ?

oh i didnt know it was very rre

and it has an effect

what de helly

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fathom bramble]

I think this is a reasonable like 3rd, 4th craft

the only other helmet worth wearing is from the last last boss or keys

and the chance of getting exactly that helm from keys seems low

on myth track

[stiff vector]

yeah I figured Id wait until next craft to maybe make it

[worldly shale]

worth 200 buckos tho?

[random stirrup]

the effect is like 0.7% in full bis too

very insane

[proven ocean]

ya its new tech thats why

haptics

not a "button"

its definitely not worth for wow but

if u mouse over click alot and ur a gamer

[fathom bramble]

I need a mouse with 12 buttons on the side for wow anyway

[proven ocean]

i dont use those idk

blessed with my left hands

prob writing on my left too helped on that idk

[keen belfry]

2.4% gotta be more than any other craft possible

[stiff vector]

ye I was thinking about making 2nd craft a dagger too but its so easy to get 1 from myth raid

[keen belfry]

im pretty sure youd want this with embelly over the 3 ilvls

as offhand

[fathom bramble]

the myth raid one has junk stats

loses to a hero dagger

[keen belfry]

is this crafted dagger with embelly just not your bis?

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fathom bramble]

it is

[glass mortar]

i really need to get enough crests for my mh

[keen belfry]

oh its legit bis yeah

well im crafting it

[glass mortar]

my oh has like 10 ilvls on my mh rn

[keen belfry]

1.3% better than full upgraded myth off hand

[glass mortar]

cause i did my starting keys as sin loot spec since i already have a crafted (no crest) mh

well ur comparing embellished item to non embellished....

how much is the embellishment worth

[keen belfry]

a lot

[glass mortar]

and it could go on another slot

or is it another weapon only one

[keen belfry]

weapon only

[glass mortar]

baaaased

we love easy crafts

[keen belfry]

2 weap craft tier

[hardy vault]

why does the sim want to put me under 25% haste

[untold yarrow]

how are you guys finding outlaw

[placid ocean]

mid

[livid pewter]

i pref the BIS ring on hero
but the trinket seems better - i dont like secondary stat trinkets but its listed as bis trinket so any suggestions?

[cinder relic]

cuz U dont need 25

[prisma lantern]

I'd go trinket IMO

[fathom bramble]

25% is what you have in an end of tier optimized set, but hte value of haste drops off after 20% gradually before you hit the sharp fall off at 25%

[hardy vault]

ahhh thanks

[livid pewter]

but im confused, the trinket gives us flat mastery instead of mainstat
and mainstat on its proc

why is the wowhead infohead talkin about crit

[glass folio]

it seems i am the only one with the Opportunity stacks issue

[hardy vault]

i had quite the dry streak last week too on vorasius

about 1min with only 1 proc

[cinder relic]

Cuz I mistyped it

Its meant for the umbral plume

[livid pewter]

ah i see
but this trinket is my way to go i guess?

[cinder relic]

The trinket is still very good

Just bad description

[livid pewter]

i hope i dont regret this, cuz i like bis rings too haha but yea ill go for the trinket

[prisma lantern]

I mean bis ring depends on bis other gear. Until you have the rest bis ring maybe worse than some random ring in your bag.

[livid pewter]

right now its better than my other ones but ik what u mean ye

[craggy barn]

theres no other optimizations for tierset br right? just send on cd?

[supple lodge]

Unless I am reading this wrong, it seems like the dataminded changes for outlaw on the PTR show a 5% increease to most damaging abilities instead of a 4% in the notes. https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamined-class-changes-for-midnight-12-0-5-ptr-build-66591-380972?utm_source=discord-webhook

[prisma lantern]

That's 12.0.5

Misinformation. 💤

[supple lodge]

Cool, thanks for the clarification

[vivid vessel]

isnt that undocumented

[rain rover]

!sheet

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

i dont remeber them talking about an additional buff

[haughty wigeon]

ya undocumented

[glass mortar]

is this not justy the 4% buff

[vivid vessel]

no

[glass mortar]

and people being confused by template math

[haughty wigeon]

its new

[upper hawk]

going from 130 to 135 is a 3.8% buff

you sure it's not what we already got

[haughty wigeon]

damage means nothing tho

prep exists

[vivid vessel]

nvm you are right

[prisma lantern]

Whyspur says it's the 4% buff from this week.

My b.

[glass mortar]

what krumps said

people just get baited by spell aura tuning shenangins

[glass mortar]

tale as old as time

[vivid vessel]

but then

ye cause

i looked at sub

and it got actual 3

so idk

xd

[glass mortar]

how much of a damage increase is that

[vivid vessel]

2.7

[glass mortar]

so rounding to 3

like ours rounds to 4

[vivid vessel]

ye i guess

[glass mortar]

blizzard rounds their notes

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

what do u want me to say

[vivid vessel]

me when i round up

[glass mortar]

just remember to round up ur details

and logs

💅

[ionic inlet]

Is it a bug in the APL that I'm seeing it open with AR + Slice and Dice pre-pull in single target? (https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hBt9wUqLEUinmqciLfPDEP/simc) That can't be correct, right? surely a supercharged dispatch would be a stronger opening than a SnD?

[final pagoda]

!addons

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[vivid vessel]

its what you do in aoe

it just doesnt matter in st really

its just a sim thing you can fix

but for no actual gain

[glass mortar]

ok zac im not crazy right

i feel like trying to play this unethical hold BtE for AR rule

90% of the time i just end up with gravedigger ready to trigger on my supercharger

wasting the bonus proc chance

surely the plays gotta be to consume gravedigger while AR is still on cd then use ur reset BtE with AR

maybe it doesnt matter since ur second supercharge is going on BtE still tho...

[fathom bramble]

the fact that you are guaranteeing 2 10 combo point BTE casts sound like a gain to me

[sterile dune]

I got a new build for people who want near identical dps to the current best raid setup

[vivid vessel]

idk

[sterile dune]

but but a bit more better aoe

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble @glass mortar

[sterile dune]

but with*

[vivid vessel]

i have been feely crafting spending bte before aswell

if its apex

because it feels bad wasting sc on it to me

who nkows tho

[sterile dune]

All I did was swap 2 points into heavy hitter with 1 point into audacity and 1 into dancing steel

the point into audacity is a dead point

its only there for us to get find an opening

ur never gonna ambush

i also go flickering still but thats overkill, u get a lot of situations where ur overpool energy so rlly dont need that extra energy regen

the verse is about same dmg but more surviveability

trust me the build is goated

u get all the good ST but with free giga aoe

[thorn parrot]

I’ll try it today when I bust out keys. The prep pic still bothers me but I understand why it’s there.

[sterile dune]

what bothers u?

preperation?

[glass mortar]

talent tree with a fully dead talent

banger or @vivid vessel

[sterile dune]

i know but i tested it and it sims just fine

ur not losing out on any significant dmg

[vivid vessel]

i mean we talked about it during beta

i dont remember where it ended up tho

you also need to cancel aura audacity

idk if that was fixed or not

[sterile dune]

I think u can workaround without needing to cancel aura it

there has to be some stupid setting that disallows the thing from switching the picture to ambush

like some UI script ors omething u can run

[prisma lantern]

Can you macro cancel aura into SS?

[thorn parrot]

Yuh

[gaunt phoenix]

No kir

[thorn parrot]

KiR gets me so hard but I do it wrong and only use it on +3

[gaunt phoenix]

That's actually just fine

Kir on 3 will average the same as 2 but your RNG curve is much wider

So it's gamba

[outer meteor]

is it int to craft a ring after wep?

[thorn parrot]

This makes me so happy lmfao

[gaunt phoenix]

No ring is fine

[outer meteor]

my sims are telling me its a dps gain over boots

oke

[gaunt phoenix]

Offhand might be better

Crafted mainhand and offhand with void or hunt embellish

[outer meteor]

ohh

lemme sim that

[sterile dune]

yes

but I wish we didn't have to

I dont wan the visual pop up to happen at all

it throws me off

[outer meteor]

sims still say ring is more damage

[river wing]

god spending the entire fight on 3+ RtB feels so right\

like everything starts flowing exactly like it should

[fickle relic]

i swear, they shadownerfed ace up your sleeve somehow, becuase it just can't proc so rarely

[craggy barn]

solo, is there any reason to delay 4p BR slightly if BTE is about to come off cd
or if both are off cd BUT u are 1 builder away from 6cp for bte

or is this just giga feelscrafty low % shit

[gaunt phoenix]

Why not just br

[craggy barn]

shrug just checking if theres some weird giga minmax shit, or if im just out of my mind and should just giga send no brain

[gaunt phoenix]

Not to my knowledge

[vivid vessel]

no

[vivid vessel]

just dont track it wdym

[sterile dune]

true I can jhust not use showTooltip right

and just set the pic i want

[outer meteor]

is this any good?

[formal thunder]

[frail veldt]

But you don't have grand melee

Or kir

Also why half of ambush lol

This builds wild

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[outer meteor]

ig crafting a ring isnt the biggest upgrade anymore then

for now atleast

[true dust]

which is the best gear piece to craft when i switch specs from time to time?

[sterile dune]

wdym grand melee

[frail veldt]

The extra bladeflurry cleave percent

[sterile dune]

not worth

ud have to drop 1 point from summarily dispatched which isnt worth

which both gimps ur ST and AOE, whereas grand melee only buffs AOE

[frail veldt]

8% bf is a lot

[lime lake]

oh this guy is here now

have fun

[sterile dune]

ye true ud have more AOE dmg

but less ST

its just preference

[fathom bramble]

8% bf is responsible for like 9% of my overall in the last key I did

[sterile dune]

yeah if im doing mythics and shi sure

but if im raiding id maybe want the other talent

u can also change inbetween pulls if u want

[frail veldt]

Also isn't dropping one summarily for KiR a DPS gain

Why would you ever not do that

[sterile dune]

KiR?

[gaunt phoenix]

[sterile dune]

no its not

i tested

[thorn parrot]

Them bones

[sterile dune]

also keep it rolling is another button to press

so nty

[frail veldt]

Oh you did 100000 boss pulls?

Yourself?

How long did that take

[sterile dune]

no i simmed it

[fathom bramble]

wdym, you can't change talents in a keystone dungeon

[frail veldt]

Could you share the sims

I was under the impression that KiR beats 1pt of summarily in sims

[sterile dune]

yeah gimme sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cb4T8XadqWCbZwXGrcf8Dy

so this was without KiR

this was with https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b4WXagKJk2KY2N9gLxd5uW

[frail veldt]

Btw you're using two main hands

Should try to get a dagger

[gaunt phoenix]

Its probably cause you dont have haste

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5MDB5M4KqUtzp4yzwPR2F1

[frail veldt]

Goblin queen

[sterile dune]

I dont have a good offhand dagger

[frail veldt]

Doesn't matter haha

[thorn parrot]

Yeah gotta get one esse

[fathom bramble]

even a junk dagger wins

like a crafted 246 dagger or something would destroy that oh

[sterile dune]

I doubt that

[formal thunder]

dont you play assa? did you vendor your daggers?

[sterile dune]

I can test

[gaunt phoenix]

No judging, i missed more than a week cause family stuff

[frail veldt]

Dagger is ~40ilvl better than a slow offhand

[fathom bramble]

dagger is approximately +33 ilvls

oh more ?

[frail veldt]

I'm still 230

[fathom bramble]

depends on your other gear probably

[gaunt phoenix]

Nice

[sterile dune]

Yeh but only have gotten hero drops for weapons so i said fuck it

[frail veldt]

I was guesstimating

[sterile dune]

The game is making me play assa

Outlaw*

[frail veldt]

But yeah a 230 dagger will beat a 260ish slow offhand

[fathom bramble]

yeah when I checked it was +33 for a similarly stated slow wep on my current char

[frail veldt]

So you can use an adventure dagger

And it'll win lol

But yeah what solo said, your haste levels might be why your sim is giving you different talents from the suggested

[gaunt phoenix]

I should put that in the cmd

[sterile dune]

U sure?

Imma try it tomorrow

[quaint wharf]

[frail veldt]

I mean sim it ofc but that's the result most people are getting yeah

Go do a world quest and find one maybe

Or even a non spark craft I think

Or just actually craft one

[gaunt phoenix]

Dagger craft is way ahead for me

[sterile dune]

But yeah id say most raid bosses are more cleave/ST focused. Idk how much grand melee would help over 2/2 into the dispatch talent or rolling bones when ur doing chimaerus, surely Grand melee doesnt win there

In any other sithation it probably does, cuz 8% is a lot

[vivid vessel]

idk why you took chimaerus as an exampple

when its a boss with a lot of aoe

[sterile dune]

It doesnt have that much aoe, it has 1 big ass

Add

That dies

[vivid vessel]

in lfr maybe

[midnight granite]

Heroic chimera is a meme for aoe.

[sterile dune]

The small ones die when u hit the big one

Its not aoe fight

[vivid vessel]

idk im just thinking about mythic now

hc week is over

[midnight granite]

Dev just nukes adds

[sterile dune]

Bro its same in mythic

If u can kill the big add

Ur good

[vivid vessel]

you can do hc naked with a butter kife

[sterile dune]

The small ones die before him

[midnight granite]

Ye but it's been 1 day of mythic lol

[vivid vessel]

well thats not true really

[sterile dune]

Its cuz he has so much more hp than small adds

[sturdy phoenix]

Hi guy, i've made a cheat sheet for myself regarding rogue prio etc, can someone tell me if it's alright ? I feel like in really far off regarding dps

[sterile dune]

If u group them next to him

They dis

[icy cedar]

i think im getting too old to play outlaw, i keep capping on energy, can't hit btw fast enough when it resets sometimes... I didn't have issues with this when it was even spammier last expansion. i need some kinda supplement to counteract the old

[sterile dune]

Is there an addon that tracks if ur on a good roll?

[midnight granite]

Bet you're like 26

[icy cedar]

35

been playing since day 1

🧓

[gaunt phoenix]

Did you play tww

[sterile dune]

We need addons to track all this

[vivid vessel]

whta

[icy cedar]

i was fine in tww

but somehow can't react fast enough anymore

[sterile dune]

Tww was even worse tho from what ive heard

[stiff vector]

they realllllly need to do something about this specs 2-5t damage its a war crime they let the only capped spec go live with our low targ cleave this bad

[gaunt phoenix]

Are you sure it's not just getting used to a new ui

Cuz this outlaw is not comparable to tww

[icy cedar]

it might be the new UI stuff, that's true

[sterile dune]

Go audacity and u can get all them good aoe talents

[icy cedar]

I have to use too much brain power counting combo points now, instead of a weakaura telling me to press BtE

and it slows me down

[sterile dune]

I just want 1 addon

That tells me if im on a roll 3 or higher when I got AR up, or a roll 2+ when its not

[stiff vector]

has nothing to do with talents, and everything to do with the fact they deleted precise cuts and massively nerfed BF's base cleave % from 50 to 30% for zero valid reason

[sterile dune]

And I know when to roll

[gaunt phoenix]

No amount of aoe talents makes outlaw good at cleave

[sterile dune]

That cant be true

[icy cedar]

I've defaulted to mostly playing Assassination to compensate for my lack of weakauras

[sterile dune]

Cleave is legit what they made doe

[vivid vessel]

xd

[gaunt phoenix]

It is true

[vivid vessel]

what am i reading bro

[stiff vector]

[icy cedar]

they should just make BF a toggle again

why did they make it a charged ability

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw is not tuned well at all

[icy cedar]

and give me back my long arms, so i don't have to care about positioning

[sterile dune]

Bro are u talkinf about cleave or aoe?

Cleave is some targets

[stiff vector]

yes, we are currently living in a timeline where blizzard thought making the only capped spec in the game, one of the worst specsi n the game at low target cleave

hard to believe I know

[sterile dune]

AoE is everythinf in an area

Outlaw is goated at cleave

[vivid vessel]

outlaw has one of the lowest low target count aoe in the game

(cleave)

[icy cedar]

yeah i did notice outlaw doesn't really shine in the triple paladin boss in raid

[vivid vessel]

this aint tww anymore cuh

[stiff vector]

PC is gone cuh

[icy cedar]

whereas it should be the best in that scenario

[stiff vector]

bf is 30% now cuh

[sterile dune]

We gettinf buffed again next tuning no worries

[prisma lantern]

🍿

[gaunt phoenix]

I think you need to open vanguard logs

[vivid vessel]

this is 2/3 target

[icy cedar]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

i think you also just need to get into a key rn

i get cancer in my asshole anytime there is less than 5 target

me trying to maintain bf

[stiff vector]

yeah we said that all last tier too

and 0 buffs came

the entire tier

[icy cedar]

ive been running keys with surv hunters and devourer DHs in the guild, and going back and forth between ass and outlaw

nothing works

numbers small

except on bosses

[prisma lantern]

I mean M+ shouldn't be too bad. Depends on your tank.

[icy cedar]

i imagine 2pc and 4pc really help for M+

me 1 pc (vault)

[quaint wharf]

i dont think set really helps with anything

smol increase

[icy cedar]

BR uncapped AoE tho 😮

[prisma lantern]

Throughput in dungeons tbh is probably as balanced as it's ever really been on average right now.

There's some edge cases, but like...

😂

Clearly average throughout in dungeons was 100% blizzards metric. Graphs basically a rectangle.

[stiff vector]

its day 2 of the season, it doesnt rly mean anything

shit will look way different when everyone is full geared and 20+ starts getting pushed

[sterile dune]

Im liking the crucible trinket since we have less surviveability than a fking assa rogue now

Which makes 0 fuckinf sense

But this trinket gives me fuck ton of leech

[stuck sparrow]

2%

thats literally nothing

[fathom bramble]

this is like 95% caused by most players stopping at and farming 10s/11s

surely

[gaunt phoenix]

Thats points not dmg

[prisma lantern]

Yeah, like I said - I think there's edge cases - and I think scaling will be different by class - but clearly the goal was parity in early dungeon throughout.

[warm fable]

our outlaw rogue is having trouble, could i post logs for feedback?

[frail veldt]

Yeah they don't have damage yet for some reason

[prisma lantern]

Lol I'm an idiot

My b. 😂

[warm fable]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rtPzc6YLBCnHykVJ
he's not sure what he's doing wrong, and comparing his cpm and cast timelines i don't either

[vivid vessel]

didnt i told you earlier this wasnt damage

[sterile dune]

Its more cuz of the unlocks

[prisma lantern]

Maybe. Doesn't mean I read it. 😂

[sterile dune]

It just says 2 but its more than that

[vivid vessel]

you read it

[sterile dune]

😂

[outer meteor]

i just got gapped by a bdk on 1st pull on algathar

[thorn parrot]

Good god the fellas are out in full force today

[fathom bramble]

I have assembled all the group buffs

I am so ready for this pit of saron

[sterile dune]

But zac when u running audacity? We gotta get back on the cleave grind

[prisma lantern]

Doesn't mean I understood it.
😂 Sometimes a guy takes an L. 😂

[vivid vessel]

audacity has been something we discussed during beta

[stiff vector]

wtf Im about to do pit of saron 15 too

[vivid vessel]

idk where it ended up

[gaunt phoenix]

!log @warm fable

[stiff vector]

but with a much more scuffed comp

[vivid vessel]

your build is kinda garbonzo tho

i dont see the point

[sterile dune]

Time to revisit now that mythic is out?

[vivid vessel]

could prolly do something better than that with audacity

[vivid vessel]

prolly not

idk

[river wing]

pit seems quite good for outlaw actually
like way better than MT

[sterile dune]

Why not

[vivid vessel]

if it doesnt sim better whats the point

you are still wasting a point in the end

[sterile dune]

Ur not losing much

To get that juicy cleave

[fathom bramble]

1st pull

seems good

[vivid vessel]

i dont get why you keep saying that tho

the talent you are taking is not doing anything in cleave

have you read it

[sterile dune]

Its increasinf target count

Wait its not increasing cleave count?

[vivid vessel]

it is

goes from 4 target cleaved to 7

[sterile dune]

Nice

[vivid vessel]

how is that helping you in raid tho

[sterile dune]

Mobs

[dire rampart]

pad ❤️

[civic zephyr]

hey yo chat we gotta more buffs coming right???

[glass mortar]

zac...

do i take this trash in my vault

i legit got

[vivid vessel]

huge !

[glass mortar]

5 vers/mast pieces on my hero track

this necky

and then 2 champ track tier slots in my dungeons

(i have 0 set)

its just all garbage

prob doesnt even matter

[civic zephyr]

hey dont worry i dont have tier either 🙂

[glass mortar]

boots r haste vers i guess but its heavy vers

🤢

[river wing]

we'll see on friday night

[restive mango]

I messed with the cooked ass no KiR build dropped dancing steel and deadly pursuit and it makes more sense

[vivid vessel]

i got this one myself

which is prolly the best item you can ever get in hc chest tho so

[glass mortar]

gross mastery

[vivid vessel]

im happy about it

[digital gale]

yo guys, what's recommended second craft? Boots, Wrist or Ring?

[vivid vessel]

its 276 ilvl

:D

[cinder relic]

Just take a socket?

[amber ibex]

what poisons we use?

[glass mortar]

hmm

instant and mind numbing or atrophic

[gaunt phoenix]

Atrophic in raid or high keys

Numbing for regular keys

Or just go atro anyway whocares

[vivid vessel]

i still think numbing has more value than we think in keys but

also solo

you wanna know something funny

[gaunt phoenix]

Maybe

[vivid vessel]

i playued wiht a wl today

all day

this expac they got

2 kicks

and

they have numbing on steroid

[gaunt phoenix]

Oh really

[vivid vessel]

its like a cd that apply 100% numbing

or whatever

the mobs legit dont cast

[gaunt phoenix]

Curse of weakness or some such

[vivid vessel]

instant aoe cast

[gaunt phoenix]

100%?

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

[random stirrup]

Ye the aoe tongues thing is busted af

[vivid vessel]

its a big numba

xd

he told me they aplpy these thigns in aoe

insta cast

[fathom bramble]

buff shiv to 100%

[vivid vessel]

xd

this is numbing btw

like what are we doing bro

they removed aoe blind

while wl has a 45s aoe stun

this shit

and 2 kicks

??

[vivid vessel]

ye this make it aoe

[vivid vessel]

he can also chose to put this one up instead of casts

[gaunt phoenix]

Numbing is both at least

[vivid vessel]

also their kick is an improved kidney basically

stun but also kick

and they have a fear idk if aoe or whatever i didnt undertand

idk its kinda illegal

how wide the utility disparity is

[glass mortar]

2 kicks gone next season

they r already mad

er not next season

12.0.5 w/e

[vivid vessel]

ye good

wtf is that shit

how can a spec be allowed that

[glass mortar]

theyve had it for awhile tho i think?

[vivid vessel]

what is blizzard smoking

idk

[glass mortar]

demo at least

i assume they r playing demo

for double kick

[cinder relic]

cuz its ranged DS

[vivid vessel]

idk what that means

ds?

[cinder relic]

Every ranged DPS is god

[vivid vessel]

oh

ye sure

it is

[cinder relic]

Hunter, shadow, mage, warlock

Literally all are SS tier

Dev, devour

The worst ranged DPS Is ele

[pine vessel]

Ele blasts as well

[prisma lantern]

They need to be strong. It's a huge disadvantage to be able to hit stuff from far away, TBH.

[pine vessel]

Just not on their level

[cinder relic]

Yeah, ele is also good

Ranged is so beyond fuk busted this tier

[wicked ether]

caster trinkets are omega strong

[pine vessel]

Lol paladins was alarming. Lol so far behind the casters.

All 3 rogue specs might get another buff.

[wicked ether]

Imagine 1200 Mastery on a 1,5 Min Cooldown as a Sub Rogue

nahhhhh just casters

[unkempt smelt]

For those with 4 set, how often do you get additional catalyst charges ? I have 2 set and 2 cata charges, can I use them safely on champion gear for 4 set or do I wait to drop heroic pieces in M+ ?

[pine vessel]

Send it

[vivid vessel]

i did 25 keys today and got 3

[wicked ether]

got already 3 new charges today

[pine vessel]

I've gotten 1 charge.

[frail veldt]

Yeah I think once you obtain 4 set you get more charges just from playing

[vivid vessel]

you could say its 10% droprate per key

[unkempt smelt]

ok so I just full send and it'll drop

[frail veldt]

Oh that's what you were referencing

[unkempt smelt]

might get a charge before i get a loot piece to apply it

[frail veldt]

They haven't published amounts but seems pretty high ngl

[pine vessel]

I've been unlucky. Have done 18 keys and only 1 charge

[unkempt smelt]

thanks for your replies guys 🙂

[vivid vessel]

for me it has been rougly 10% drop rate today

[cinder relic]

The flag is probably better than that

[vivid vessel]

i think my tank got the same actually

2/3 in 25 keys

[craggy barn]

zac its gonna be fine

we get aoe blind back

!

[vivid vessel]

i dont even want aoe blind anymore

i wnat my st ccs to be good

not on aoe dr

not cost all my cps

and interrupt

[merry harness]

!gear

[glass mortar]

cheap shot zac....

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

[glass mortar]

its right there.... guys does zac not have cheap bound...

[cinder relic]

Like every ranged DPS is just overtuned at a baseline, and then every single encounter in the raid RN is heavily favored towards ranged

[glass mortar]

this guy pretending we dont have good util......

[vivid vessel]

i have been playing gouge weran

in keys

its actually pretty fun

[glass mortar]

im playing blind

[vivid vessel]

i go into a pack

[glass mortar]

i made a kick pad macro for it

[vivid vessel]

kkick, gouge, kidney, blind, cheap shot

holy moly banger

[serene urchin]

!ui

[vivid vessel]

im doing everything guys !

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[vivid vessel]

do somethign !

press a kick !

are you guys surprised the only raid buff dropped from liquid comp is rogue

[craggy barn]

no

[vivid vessel]

interesting

im surprised !

i thought atro was good and rogue was good !Q

[craggy barn]

tsk tsk tsk so dumb zac, rog is garbage

[grim spear]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/recrafting-items-has-a-chance-to-lose-your-crests-380961

omg is this fixed?

[normal quail]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[stiff vector]

hot take: you could have gotten away without atrophic in prog for probably 95% of the last 3 tiers easy

[vivid vessel]

very hot take

[stiff vector]

(not rly hot take)

[vivid vessel]

[outer meteor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/74Wiq9Ucbddr1vvRELMLNp is there ever a world where i craft the oh?

[gaunt phoenix]

Use top gear

I cant read this

In top gear you can add any item to your bags

[outer meteor]

wait really?

did not know that

[stuck sparrow]

its still a trivial heal

[gaunt phoenix]

There's an Item Search at the top

Then once you add an item you can click the + to generate an embellished version

And then it even knows what crests you can afford and wont test a combination you cant get

[outer meteor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7usiGDGXma5XkeqYXGkYgX

this any better?

[quaint mauve]

i was gonna ask abt this

ive been thinking abt taking gouge

man i wish some pieces would drop for me so i can turn them to tier

healers been getting everything

[wooden pilot]

you know what this means

sub getting buffed again

and assa

and they’ll forget outlaw is a spec

[stiff vector]

dw theyll throw us a bone like, buffing our tier set by 1.5% while they also buff 6 other specs tier sets too(probably by more).

[frail veldt]

I dont see why not

gouge is more cc options

[quaint mauve]

what would u replace

[frail veldt]

its a choice node

wdym

[quaint mauve]

oh

heh.

lol

[frail veldt]

its either reduce blind cd to 30s

or take gouge

which is a 30s cd

[quaint mauve]

man i need to like

actually look through my talents

xd

[frail veldt]

actually 25s

so if you take gouge you still have a blind

[stiff vector]

25 energy for a ST stop

[frail veldt]

and generates 1 cp

lol

I think same energy efficiency per cp as SS with rtb stage 1

if my maths is right

[glass mortar]

not quite (esp for fatebound) but its close

[cobalt token]

I just want aoe blind

[cinder relic]

Guys

[cobalt token]

😭

[frail veldt]

gotta wait a couple months

[cinder relic]

ranged DPS might be broken

[frail veldt]

damn no way

[cobalt token]

Holy shit what?

[glass mortar]

its fiiiine

[frail veldt]

are they not bringing rogue?

[cobalt token]

Not bringing rogue is wild

[vivid vessel]

next split guys

5 rogue stack

for sure for sure

[glass mortar]

10

why lowball it

10 rogues

and every single one of them will be...

outlaw because its outlaw tier

im no doomer

i just crafted a mythic mh sword so im legally obligated to shill outlaw until my grave now

[cobalt token]

Can't wait for them to make outlaw the tank rogue spec next season guys!

[vivid vessel]

rogue is in guys

[frail veldt]

hell yeah

[vivid vessel]

lets go

[frail veldt]

outlaw tier!

[cobalt token]

They're begging for a reason to demolish our cdr

[cinder relic]

Literally why would they

[cobalt token]

I can so see blizzard doing that

[cinder relic]

EVERY RANGED DPS is broken

[fluid iron]

fake news exile is pulling up now

[frail veldt]

yeah idk

I think rogues still good

[cinder relic]

I mean they are splitting the boss yk

[fluid iron]

think sub is quite alright

[cinder relic]

They need their ppl to have alnseer

[frail veldt]

subs got too much utility

[vivid vessel]

sub

;)

[glass mortar]

zac....

[vivid vessel]

not a sub tier guys ;)

[cobalt token]

Ew a sub is talking

[glass mortar]

show ur weapon crafts zac....

[fluid iron]

will be interesting if you can do 2x down thing on mythic too

[glass mortar]

sounding awfully subby in here rn zac....

[fluid iron]

or if they just make the slam go through cloak on mythic or not

[wooden pilot]

my goat

[fathom bramble]

having a rogue just on boss 100% of the time for boss dps and damage mitigation seems reasonable to me

idk if they will have him swap to adds though

[cobalt token]

Do we just take melee out of our bars and spam pistol?

[glass mortar]

throw knife to ranged atro

[cobalt token]

Ah yeah

[glass mortar]

wait its sub

weeb throw

idk what they get

[cobalt token]

A bow pull too

[glass mortar]

ninja star throw

oh its a shuriken just like the aoe probably

[fathom bramble]

weeb throw doesn't have a high chance to apply poisons though

[fluid iron]

he might go down twice in a row since it lines up with blades cd

[cobalt token]

I might be forced off outlaw back into heal

[fluid iron]

sub burst AoE still quite strong

[fathom bramble]

true

[cobalt token]

I tried to get a group up for my key for 4 hours

🧌

[vivid vessel]

sub is bad this tier guys ;)

[glass mortar]

its sad to

keys r actually such a joke this season

theres almost zero reason to disclude any spec

but what r u gunna do

[cobalt token]

They see outlaw and no one applies

Well no

One guy applied

Insta got in

And left in 5 seconds

[glass mortar]

i need 3 more 10s before im gone for the weekend

[cobalt token]

Reroll angle atp

If I wanna keep pugging

And a pugged rio is just bigger cock

[cobalt token]

You got 3 days

You're chillin

Wait 2 days

[glass mortar]

hell yea

i have a mythic ilvl mh how could i possibly not get invs now

257 ilvl

i aint gettin shi brother

gotta wait for guildies to login

[cobalt token]

I ain't even getting into a 2

I'm thinking how fast could I gear a healer

As a backup plan

[tough trellis]

rogue in general is suffering, no aoe stop no damage no lust no brez we are fighting god himself to get into a 2

[cobalt token]

Real

[tough trellis]

as someone who loves rogue, i have played ppal nonstop since yesterday lmao

[cobalt token]

Itd be fine if I had a proper guild

But nooo

[tough trellis]

build aint doing nothing man

you're never gonna be taken into algethar unless u reroll sin/sub

blizzard double tapped airborne irritant so we are useless in stops

[cobalt token]

I'd rather reroll class than reroll spec

[glass mortar]

we actually do extremely competative dps in dungeons tho the more i gain ilvl the more i feel like

as long as every pack is 8 mobs and no more then 10

we are fine

1 guy, 8 guys, no more then 10 guys

[tough trellis]

no more infinite energy for infinite feints, you die to a breeze of air

[glass mortar]

im sure tanks can route around this

oh yea i mean i die to every single ST dot the duders put on me if my healer isnt treating my like a small sick child and giving me externals

but the damage

[tough trellis]

it's alr

its not beating dks

but its not terrible

i curse my luck for finding rogues fun

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel im sure the meta wont remain doing this and its just a meme for 10s

but holy fuk some of the chaining good tanks i play with r doing in these dungeons

u legit run and chain mobs for like 30s

even tricks cant save u

the threat runs out and goes back to u by the time the tanks finally stopped

[tough trellis]

fuck kinda tank are u playing with

[glass mortar]

guildies

i mean the bear guy i played with broke 400k dps on a pull

[cobalt token]

Sounds about right

[glass mortar]

i aint doin that at 255 ill tell u what

we musta had 30 mobs

[tough trellis]

sounds like algethar

[glass mortar]

nah it was uhhh the troll one

[tough trellis]

maisara

[glass mortar]

with the big guys that spawn a zillion piss mobs

plus a bunch of stuff around them

[tough trellis]

that one p good too

[glass mortar]

or waht im confusing my big guys

the elf void one?

[loud blaze]

Sigh, I just tried sub, it's so braindead and does more damage. I hate it.

[glass mortar]

there was 2 big npcs that spawned another 8 guys around them every 15s or so anyway

[tough trellis]

dont look at dmg if u want to play rogue

[glass mortar]

and we pulled another 3 packs onto them

it was hilarious. could not see a single cast bar

[tough trellis]

magisters terrace voidwalkers then prolly

[glass mortar]

yea that sounds right

[tough trellis]

most good tanks dont gather for 30s though

thats highkey just a shit route

[glass mortar]

could be

maybe he was playing around the double dev dh we had

chaining for 30s while they build form stacks or w/e and do piss damage

then when its all grouped they just collapsing star it for a quarter of its hp

i dont really know how they work

just that i obliterate them the first pull of every dungeon

[tough trellis]

chaining is fine i assume ur talking ab how man just face aggro some shit and then run off to gather more

[glass mortar]

seems shadow priest like

well when chaining goes too long without perma tricks u run out of things to hit

the original mobs u procced tricks on will go back to you if the tank takes too long and u cant hit any of the other stuff

it was a lil cursed

but probably just +10s farming strats

[tough trellis]

chaining is when u move to the next pack after dpsing one pack down to 10% hp, that's not bad for outlaw at all though

[glass mortar]

it could be when its how i describe, normally chaining is not bad for law no

[tough trellis]

highkey sounds like ur tank just hate u 💀

[glass mortar]

they just wanna finish the 10s at max speed

the mistake they made... was inviting me the outlaw rogue

😎

[tough trellis]

good tanks gather the 20 mobs and then park their ass in one spot so you can get your ramp up and then blast and it never takes longer than 20s at most

[glass mortar]

i mean even 20s is pretty bad, tricks lasts for 6s...

anytime chaining is going past 10s its gunna be a pain i think

hopefully not too much of that

[tough trellis]

i should play my bear i see hella ppl glaze them and my ppal is made of paper

just hate having to spend gcd and rage to press raze

[willow crescent]

is outlaw better than sub now the highest keys have outlaw players

[fathom bramble]

too early to make that kind of determination

[thorny zinc]

zac inflation

[fathom bramble]

no one has any real stats and are doing mostly 'low' keys

sub also has aboslutely off the wall insane scaling with mastery in AoE

[glass mortar]

whatever u see on raider.io right now, at this moment

is the meta

[fathom bramble]

so they might takeover just from gear alone

[glass mortar]

craft ur items and make ur mains asap

its finally been set

[random stirrup]

heres another banger btw

1.20

[fathom bramble]

amazing

[limpid isle]

[leaden sonnet]

Truly a monkeys paw moment. "Hey haste effects like BL should feel better as sub"

• Blizzard makes BL worse and gives you a 700 haste breakpoint

[formal thunder]

it's actually crazy how 4 set feels like nothing even changed

[random stirrup]

rogue haste breakpoints

[grim spear]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[sturdy tartan]

fellas

if i'm at 5 cp do i finish

[glass mortar]

as fatebound you dispatch

as trickster u build then dispatch

as any hero talent if ur not gunna be casting dispatch, you build

[craggy barn]

can u go in both downphases for chim?

or does cloak not do anything other get rid of the heal absorb

[olive marten]

is the murder row fishhook any good for off hand/flex sub?

simming highest but i dont see it on any list or anything

to craft

[gaunt phoenix]

regular dagger with darkmoon void/hunt is ahead for me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gHaC6kG736tQZUKDGZVMDG

and those are stat procs so they actually do something in aoe

[olive marten]

that makes sense

howd you sim the void embellishment?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you add a dagger you click the + to generate an embellished version

[long barn]

Why does my dps feel worse

[gaunt phoenix]

it's in yer head

[loud blaze]

I've played Outlaw since Legion, and this iteration is probably my favorite. (Although the CDR version in Legion was a blast when it all lined.)

Now if we could just get a bit of a buff, it would be fantastic...

[pearl topaz]

my exp has een good

[fallow canopy]

hows outlaw lookin in m+?

[gaunt phoenix]

Mid

[frail veldt]

Truke

[fallow canopy]

rogue looking realy hot huh?

[glass mortar]

it looks like my doordash meal after 3 dashers have ditched it and its picked up 40 minutes late and then they leave it at the front door and i gotta go down and get it mid key

still tastes good, lukewarm at best tho

and one good cook away from being a fine meal

😎

okay more like several cooks

[upbeat wigeon]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[river maple]

when are we pressing preparation in raid beginning? or during like dmg phase

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a call you make yourself

cause the cooldown is fixed at 4 minutes

[fathom bramble]

it will depend on the fight

lots of good reasons to hold it

especially if the fight is like 7 minutes so you will only ever get 2 casts with a ton of leeway on when to press it

I do think back to back AR during lust on pull will generally be the best

on lust fights

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[elfin mural]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[river maple]

do u wait till adrenaline is finished before using it ?

[lavish shoal]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

no

you prep during ar

for another bte

[lavish shoal]

oh

before you use prep

yes you can press prep during AR

[junior coral]

hmm i copyed zacs ui, and for some reason when i switch to sub all of a sudden when i get into combat all my CDM disappear? any one have an idea as to whyt

[jovial dock]

what flask yall using ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Crit or haste

[jovial dock]

we want like 25% haste right ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Not exactly 25 just approach it

21-23 is fine

[jovial dock]

im at 23 so crit is prob the better flask

[pure folio]

Yes

[jovial dock]

ty

[civic zephyr]

Shout out to yall for helping me out!!! I'm climbing baby (heroic raid)

[thorn parrot]

Keep it up Jupiter!

[rich moon]

what's the leg armor thing called again?

[gaunt phoenix]

armor kit

forest hunter's

[next thunder]

hey guys ~ I notice that Loaded Dice sometimes does not upgrade my roll. Is it because its limited to occur once in a certain time window or a bug?

[gaunt phoenix]

No it doesnt upgrade your existing roll

it does a new roll and then bumps whatever it was going to be

so it will always be at least stage 2

[next thunder]

Ahh gotcha, thank you.

would be sweet if it did... hahha

Also, what are you guys using to create like custom aura notifiications like WA used to do... ie if I wanted an icon that was just big numbers tracking my Zero In stacks --- someone mentioned WA + something but I thhoughht WA doesn't work at all anymore.

[rare rapids]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dawn talon]

@keen belfry is enh fun this tier

[keen belfry]

meh

totemic is better

[dawn talon]

the 1 text a day situationship getting boring and i dont have shit else to do

[long barn]

Looks like raid numbers are just getting worse for outlaw lol

[dawn talon]

anything else fun ?

[keen belfry]

its not boring its okay u might like it? its better than before, totemic

storm dead

i only like outlaw

[dawn talon]

i rly do not like this iteration of outlaw at all

new rtb just deadge idk

[long barn]

Exactly why everyone sub

[hollow temple]

is there an addon like WA used to be which shows which dice we rolled?

so that we not accidentally roll again when buff is good

[dusty mulch]

I've been using the native one to track my dice buffs and it works just fine

[hollow temple]

you mean the actionbar native one?

[dusty mulch]

Yeah, I just enable the "buffs" tracker and it natively only keeps track of the dice rolls for Outlaw. I didn't have to mess with it at all

[hollow temple]

ty

[fair ore]

RtB has been such a hit or miss lately

Though I will say it looks a lot cleaner than having 5 different buffs on a loaded roll

[long depot]

gng 💔 I am 20 parsing

[mystic berry]

okay ran some keys today properly, topped like ,one run where the unholy and arcane mage were utter trash, but atleast I wasn't mogged.
I think I'm averaging 80k overall, my healer friend keeps nagging me to change to sub for some reason.

overall, didn't fell like shit, didn't feel great either. Just okay, atleast the gameplay is fun

[keen belfry]

healer friend nagging you to swap specs

crazy friend

[frail veldt]

do yall run delves as trickster for perma tricks

or does valeera just flop

[river maple]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[civic zephyr]

bro im hitting 80k dps on cosomos and about to get benched bc i'm bottom dmg that is like top for our spec alsmot

[mystic berry]

Oh yeah raid is a different beast

we are straight bad there

[civic zephyr]

yeah but come on that is stupid.

like blizzard needs to fix it

[cinder relic]

Every meele dps is bad rn!

It's insane!

Every ranged dps is insanely overtuned,

[civic zephyr]

its not even fair tbh...

[craggy barn]

has there been a tier of the opposite guy?

[mystic berry]

It feels like trolling, thank god my guild is full of senile citizens that dont pump hard

[craggy barn]

like giga op melee

[fathom bramble]

basically impossible for that to happenb

too many bosses require ranged players to be present for the fight to function

[mystic berry]

Not just raid

[fathom bramble]

and/or have mechanics that are overly punishing for melee to do

that are assigned

[mystic berry]

Many dungeon bosses favor ranged

It has been like this since forever

[cinder relic]

As bad as right now? Almost never

[mystic berry]

Blizzard never really rewarded melee for higher downtime

[cinder relic]

Close but never this bad

Melee is usually overtuned to compensate for facts like this

They just forgot this raid

[fair ore]

Honestly I’ve out damaged sub many times with cleave

[cinder relic]

And made every fight good for every ranged dps

And every ranged dps is also overtuned

Soook

[fair ore]

imo any spec shouldn’t matter for mythic keys

[craggy barn]

fun 🙂

[cinder relic]

But yeah idk

Bad tuning happens sometimes but it is fucking insane

[uncut ginkgo]

I can retire now

[cinder relic]

I think sub / sin have a reason to exist on alleria but gooooood damn

It's insane how shit melee is

[hollow bloom]

This is why other games have a ranged tax but w/e right. Can i get AOE blind back now?

[grim spear]

is the recraft bug still a thing?

[tender rapids]

i dont want to keep spaming shred i dont want to keep spaming shred i dont want to keep spaming shred

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[grim spear]

just turn us into a ranged spec too

[random terrace]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[grim spear]

Since they’ve already made bte projectile

[hollow bloom]

Honestly would be kind of sick if pistol shot was tuned in a way to replace SS at ranged.

[next wedge]

dual pistol outlaw gaming