outlaw

[frail veldt]

since our gcd is slower now

felt like I was missing the gcd window for some reason this xpac from when it was lower

could have just been cuz world content

I noticed in raid it feels fine so might lower it again later

was like 170 before

[fair iron]

my rig is so outdated now; can’t really find the best feeling spellqueuewindow

everything feels bad lol

[obsidian light]

is it possible for someone to just make a video showcasing the rotation + dmg?

similar to that on the dummy

[civic zephyr]

Hey guys i'm looking at Scoarboards dmg why do they use slice and dice here? Here is a link to what i'm looking at alsohttps://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gxf6DWPRZ1vMGNL2?fight=5&type=casts&source=29&view=timeline

[vivid vessel]

noob

what am i even looking at

bro pressed prep as first gcd

[civic zephyr]

looks like a wasted prep too

[vivid vessel]

this guy is just cooked idk

[fair iron]

LOL

[civic zephyr]

is that you zac bc lol

[vivid vessel]

happens

ye thats my alt

[civic zephyr]

haha

[fair iron]

good spec

[civic zephyr]

okay so that opener is not what we should be doing then.

[vivid vessel]

my main is tomelvis

[fair iron]

bro that opener makes no sense as soon as you look at it

[vivid vessel]

you know

looking at logs is not always ideal

especially early on like that

this guy for example

[civic zephyr]

its my first season playing a dps i dont know

[vivid vessel]

he crafted a main hand 272 and has 2 set going in hc

so obviously he is kinda gapping everyone

[fair iron]

my bad, but yeah the prep use alone castrates that log

[civic zephyr]

okay, gotcha. So i'm loking at your main zac and your not even running prep?

[vivid vessel]

i am

[civic zephyr]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WPmLkv4w8xnbrjCD?fight=66&type=damage-done&source=276&view=timeline

[vivid vessel]

i would read the faq tho its prolly better

[civic zephyr]

when do you use it?

[vivid vessel]

well you are looking at damage done timeline here

not cast

[civic zephyr]

oh shit u right ty

do you guys do log reviews in here to help show me what to fix?

[vivid vessel]

i would read the faq tho

rather than looking at logs

logs are kinda poopoo for outlaw

hard to see whats happening

#outlaw-faq

[civic zephyr]

okay that is what i did and i was able pull my parses up from light green to purple yesterday

[vivid vessel]

faq is goated tho

and like

i dont do anything different than whats in the faq really

outlaw isnt a spec with secrets

[light kernel]

why am i getting gapped vs tanks some pulls wtf

like this is a joke

getting lowest role its not even tank dmg its healer dmg

[craggy barn]

what tanks

and where? in dungeons?

[light kernel]

bro prot pala and brew

are shitting me

like a pack after 2nd boss in windrunner

[craggy barn]

prot pal is giga aoe dam

brew just be like that

[light kernel]

idc its TANK

sorry im tilted

[craggy barn]

good

[light kernel]

waiting since bfa s2 to be good

df s3 actually

[craggy barn]

we suffer the sins of bfa

they nerfed our cleave so we are just cooked

[hollow bloom]

I just dont like how our procs arnt instant anymore, so clunky feeling at the moment. I hit BTE and the proc happens as im pushing my next move. Blehhh.

[empty tulip]

man its brutal being a 3 spec dps class and all of them are pretty ass lol

[craggy barn]

?? we only have 1 ass

the other 2 are sub and law

[hollow bloom]

My rogue on MoP plays better as combat spec then current retail.

[craggy barn]

😛

[plush grove]

Does Skipnoz still come in here? lol that dude was hilarious

[keen belfry]

thoughts?

[midnight granite]

is there a new auto tricks? 🙂

[pearl topaz]

fuck it, aura buff us idc

[fresh acorn]

is this trinket bait?

[empty tulip]

its very mid

[fresh acorn]

Im using the on use feather right now and I hate stat on uses for outlaw

[formal thunder]

how comes guidon is good foe outlaw? haste on use doesn't sound like it would go into a tier

[fresh acorn]

probably helps getting to the 21-25% haste

and a 1:30 is also more likely to be up for every AR

[quasi dawn]

What you trink about this opener : ambush dispatch AR RtB BTE ? Shouldnt it be better than using a supercharger on dispatch?

[indigo token]

holy FUCK

preperation might be the worst CD ever made

[quaint mauve]

@fathom bramble @vivid vessel checking back in

i fucking hate this

[indigo token]

it feels like a debug console command

no feedback

feels awful

[pure folio]

u never ambush, and using supercharger on dispatch doesnt matter. u would be building to dispatch w ithout any RTB buff too? and wasting CDR

[quasi dawn]

Ambush and dispatch directly to proc the atk speed buff , and AR then directly BTE to get the 45% proc reset instead of 35 and big dmg im not Wasting cdr

[pure folio]

You don't ambush unless you play HO, which we don't in any scenario this season. and using dispatch before rtb or adr means when you finish you arent applying the cdr to them, on top of that you wouldnt have RTB to help u generate more cps

also u dont ar into bte

you blade rush

[junior coral]

are we crafting or nawwww

[gaunt phoenix]

just AR SND if you dont like dispatch

[polar kelp]

saw on some random youtube guide, pistol shot and between the eyes scale off of our offhand weapon dps...thats why sims has offhand at high a high value. is that true? if so, thats neat

[gaunt phoenix]

it is true, they are hybrid scaling

[polar kelp]

thats pretty cool

[sonic pawn]

@gaunt phoenix ^Prioritize Haste if below ~20%. from the FAQ do we not need to prirotize hitting 25% anymore ? just get to 20% + ?

[gaunt phoenix]

20% haste is required for energy, but haste is still good until 25%. it's just at 20% haste is not REQUIRED to prioritize flask, crit or haste might be the same

[sonic pawn]

right so your saying if your at say 20-21% haste just sim a haste / crit flask then ?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[sonic pawn]

fair enough makes sense

[final pagoda]

does the sim assume 100% pickup souls of the vessel trinket?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[final pagoda]

I believe I pick up probably 20%

[craggy barn]

secret class hmm

[haughty wigeon]

SECRET CLASS BETTER THAN ROGUE

[craggy barn]

secret class, posts as mage

i wonder what it is

[indigo token]

real shit

like

its very demoralizing doing less damage than a tank

[oblique flicker]

"competent sub/assa" this man is obviously playing the wrong specs

[torpid fiber]

Awesome post
"Secret class" what are you on about

[indigo token]

i mean

hes not wrong

rogue is (and for outlaw has been) in the fucking gutter

[torpid fiber]

Yeah but I think it's important to still laugh at people who are right but silly about it

Gotta find joy in life where you can

[junior coral]

yea they really letting rogue die

[wintry solar]

Ions reroll spec isn't holding up atm

[wintry solar]

Reroll spec philosophy*

[quaint mauve]

@vivid vessel so zac we got it down

uhhh

my gm told me to start playing a real spec

[pearl topaz]

thankfully I just play with friends, but it would be nice for have a patch where Im not dogshit as a class

[final pagoda]

there should be a rule where you are allowed to complain about the class only after u parse >80

[indigo token]

i forgot my fucking poisons

[quaint mauve]

is that all you forgot

jk

[polar kelp]

No offense, but that's a bit more then forgetting poisons :p

[jovial dock]

Are we actively trying to play around gravdigger?

[gaunt phoenix]

No, not really

[wintry solar]

We don't play around anything until next expansion

Silly goose

We just chilling rn

[final pagoda]

well if ur at six, dont SS after BTE

especially if ur far away from the mob

[gloomy adder]

this might be an insane minmax and also might be bullshit but i swear since i reached 23% haste i have literally never gone out of energy since

[restive mango]

I just want prep off the gcd at this point

[gloomy adder]

i want it off the talent tree

well actually i want it to be reduced by restless blades but that would obviously be bullshit

[hollow bloom]

I will be stacking haste until it feels correct again. Also ya prep needs to be off gcd. Or give us MFD back.

[restive mango]

off the gcd on blades would be so brain smoothing

[gloomy adder]

could make a nuts macro with that

[hollow bloom]

Feel like outlaw is missing a button for sure tho. It just feels mediocre right now.

[gloomy adder]

the talent tree is very weirdly designed imo its too tight on points at the high levels

like if we had some more points to spend ks could be option

[restive mango]

HO is a vestigial tail

[hollow bloom]

You want utility? Too bad, no more points left.

[restive mango]

I kinda miss when killing spree was a huge risk to press

I never felt so alive

[past sky]

i want fast grapple back

[gloomy adder]

hahahaha i know what you mean

i felt pro using it at smart times as well

[restive mango]

i used it in a beam on mythic cauldron in undermine and briefly ragebaited all the healers as i hit millions hps

[gloomy adder]

maybe having a potentially lethal punishing button forced you to learn what enemies do better

[hollow bloom]

Nope, no more skill expression.

[gloomy adder]

i did that by accident once and my rl had a seizure

[wintry solar]

Well let's hope WoD 2.0 leads to Legion 2.0

Maybe we'll get a ton of cool stuff again

[gloomy adder]

i remember on m gally you could do some seriously scuffed dodges by teleporting to the other side of him for a few seconds as well

now that wa sgaming

[long barn]

Is the vessel trinket simming correct?

[gloomy adder]

i dont think anyone knows man

[long barn]

Hmm

[gloomy adder]

that shit is supposed to only work in voidstorm but it appears to work on dummies in silvermoon so who knows

[gaunt phoenix]

it just assumes full uptime of the soul collection

[long barn]

No that’s the cruciible

[gloomy adder]

oh sorry my mistake

[long barn]

So no missed souls?

[gaunt phoenix]

you wont collect every soul but i dont think that turns the trinket into dogshit

[gloomy adder]

every time i read does this trinket sim correctly i just assume its crucible hahaha

[long barn]

I’m just wondering what the sim is rating it for?

1 stack all the time?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a 3 rppm proc

so whatever uptime that is

assuming you collect it

[long barn]

So in theory, if that uptime is baked in, and I collected every one that’s how it would sim

[gloomy adder]

did they really make an antenna but the orbs dont move towards you?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[long barn]

I’m thinking the antenna % shit

[gloomy adder]

what on earth were they thinking

[long barn]

It’s legion I think

And they are hard as f to see

Solo while I have you

Is there any prep tech

[gloomy adder]

isnt it from maisara?

[long barn]

Like maybe save prep for like a good roll?

[long barn]

Honestly I dunno

I’m a noob at that shit

Shadowlands maybe?

[gloomy adder]

i saw some people say just use prep asap to get it on cd faster but ive been vibing it

i use it near the end of the opening rush after your second bte

[long barn]

Yea me too like just using it on CD

But I’m wondering if you could time a jackpot to something if it would be worth 10-15 to hold it

[gloomy adder]

might be a cool situational optimisation but are you ever fishing for jackpots

[wintry solar]

Derrts back

[gloomy adder]

i just try to use it with zero wastage ie have every spell on cd and a long rush cd left

[frail veldt]

yes

you can shift around your prep usage as long as you wont lose total use count for a given fight

like if a raid boss kill timer is around 5 mins

you can only ever get 2 preps

[long barn]

Makes sense

[frail veldt]

so you can shift them around as needed as long as you dont lose 2

mainly useful for like some phase of damage amp or something

not much to it

[long barn]

Yea salad bar

And maybe like a god roll

[frail veldt]

how does prep interact with your roll?

[gloomy adder]

you could also use it to fix bad timing alignments on your rush

[long barn]

You could get another ADR inside it?

[frail veldt]

oh sure

thought you were implying it resets kir

tbh jackpot isnt a big damage boost or anything

so its not that relevant

[gloomy adder]

like if you rush and chimaerus flies away and you get downtime you can have it back up when you need it

[long barn]

For cleave I thought it could be with the fish reset too

Rush

I dunno I’ll have to play with it

[gloomy adder]

i think the devs reasoning behind adding it is to help fix downtime fuckery punishing restless blades

[long barn]

What’s the best sim setting for most of the raid

All the damn bosses have adds

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm not really sure anything about your gear would change

at 1 2 3 4 targets

[gloomy adder]

on this point actually i see everywhere raid talent builds taking deadly pursuit but like i feel like deft maneuvers is way better on basically every fight

[keen belfry]

I’m unsure best way to use BF in 2-3 target cleave. It’s for sure not on cd, but is it at lowish combo points and when it’s about to run out? Or what

I struggled with energy on vanguard super bad

[long barn]

I gotta be honest .

[gaunt phoenix]

just before it runs out

what else would you do

SS and PS are certainly better builders

[long barn]

@ 22% haste, flickering steel, and prep, things smooth so good.

[keen belfry]

I think I pressed it a few gcds too early

Energy was super bad

[long barn]

Solo, I thought we wanted 25% haste but sims keep telling me to stop around 22

[cinder relic]

25% isn't a hard rule

U want around 21-23% is my experi nce

[long barn]

Ok then

[gloomy adder]

i remember someone else saying they reckoned at 4+ targets you can just use it on cd with deft maneuvers because it just gives you free 5cp

[gaunt phoenix]

25% is just when haste becomes terrible instead of "still good"

[keen belfry]

Yeah

[long barn]

That was old tech from last season

[gloomy adder]

on 2-3 it would be a waste of gcd though

[long barn]

On Bf no?

Tell you what. This stupid Crucible beats like all my trinkets and I have all the S tier ones

On any sim setting

[gaunt phoenix]

crucible is very good for its item level

it only falls off when ilvl gets above it

[gloomy adder]

maybe if you are keeping your 3 opportunity stacks banked properly you can play blade flurry around it to use it on cd

[gaunt phoenix]

The bloodmallet chart illustrates this

[long barn]

Ok

Anyone tried colorblind mode for looking at the vessel souls lol

Solo I could see and maybe you already put this all together, but vessel and gaze start to shine because as gear gets better and we hit the 22% H and 42% crit, the agi on trinkets is nice so you can stack more of those stats instead of the mast/vers on main gear?

[restive mango]

omg

that...that just might work

[gloomy adder]

yea good idea please test it

[zenith sparrow]

how much haste do we need?

[gloomy adder]

less than 24%

[long barn]

I will report back

I want credit on the pin lol

[sturdy tartan]

Anyone know the rough % of dps increase we should see with our 4-set?

[gloomy adder]

outlaw faq

[restive mango]

dont look its bad

[sturdy tartan]

Oh 🙁

[frail veldt]

It's like 4.5%

[vague cape]

Is there a catchup for it’s unlock table stuff

Or if you didn’t do that it’s just meh

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[fallen zodiac]

Did you guyys craft your weapon with Hero crests? or waiting for mythic?

[crystal canopy]

crafting weapon with hero crests is generally a waste, unless you see yourself taking weeks and weeks to get 80 myth crests

[fallen zodiac]

i dont se myself doing +9s first week, does heroic RAid give mythic crest? or hero crest?

[hollow bloom]

Disappointed with the spec right now so didnt craft anything yet. Weapon would be good if you didnt get anything this week but ya.

[crystal canopy]

delves at 11 give myth crests once you reach rank 4 in the delve track

up to 30 a week

and I believe the delve boss on ?? also gives some myth crests

[river wing]

myth crests are +7s now, so very accessible

[vivid vessel]

Gg

[quaint mauve]

it started with "until i know outlaw is good, i want you to play something else for prog"

[vivid vessel]

[quaint mauve]

actually it started with " hml i love you man but ->"

[quaint mauve]

why is outlaw played at a high level (by loktark) doing less dmg than the average joe schmoe on sub

by like

20k

on crown

[wintry solar]

I used to know a guy years ago who if you'd tell him that, he'd turn noise suppression off disc and hit his weewee on the mic

[zenith sparrow]

does rolling dice during adr give better odds?

soz if dumb question

[wintry solar]

No

I like that idea though

[vivid vessel]

Loaded dice

[serene urchin]

are we running the raid cleave set up on basically every fight this raid

[vivid vessel]

Wait till sub get a 14% tier set

[zenith sparrow]

so we do?

[quaint mauve]

how good is ours...

[wintry solar]

Yeah for 1 roll

Promises at least a double

[vivid vessel]

Read the talent ye

[thorny ice]

so, is this a yes for this question? :b

[zenith sparrow]

also would like to know bc im in raid rn lol

[dusty blaze]

Our next catalyst charge is next reset ain't it....given that this week was a craft week?

[river wing]

4.5% is all they can spare, y'see

[fallen zodiac]

i have a 233 weapon,,, i'm wondering if i craft one with hero crest,, wont i be able to recraft upgrade it with mythics later on?

[river wing]

bro what the fuck
gray sub logs are still slightly higher than Loktark doing his best on crown
why is this happening to us

[quaint mauve]

r we serious

[river wing]

yes

[quaint mauve]

yeah the fight also feels miserable on outlaw

[strong cargo]

You can but it will waste the hero crest you used on it, so if you are going to have enough mythic crest next week, i would suggest to wait, or craft 259 without crests then recraft with mythic

[river wing]

yeah I know
I've done normal of it yesterday, it's just kinda shit

[quaint mauve]

yeah i missed normal clear due to some issues so ive only seen heroic

and heroic feels like hell on outlaw

im hard switching outlaw for rest of prog

sadge man

yet again forced on sub

[fallen zodiac]

makes sense

[strong cargo]

No, next week is nothing but you'll get a catalyst charge at 2k Rio if you can

[serene urchin]

yeah

[thorny ice]

cant stand preparation anyways haha

[stoic wagon]

Random question, when outlaw buff comes this reset, will it be mixed up with older outlaw logs parses which didn’t get the buffs ?

Dunno how it works

[fallen zodiac]

Nemesis kill gives mythic crest per character?

[crystal canopy]

I believe so yes

haven't done him on multiple characters so I can't confirm

[unreal drum]

it'll be left as is, gear creap alone will make this weeks parces largely irrelevant anyway

[normal quail]

how much dps are you guys simming on 3m patchwork single target

[edgy owl]

Hi, I'm posting it again, is this dmg normal? I feel like I'm not missing a lot on the rotation but the dps is very low, it'd be cool to have some feedback https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfavs6Oyn5U

[normal quail]

you guys getting similar results?

[unreal drum]

what is that dps in comparison to your sim? outlaws not really a 60 second spec* due to not having a big dick dps cd

[bright lodge]

You also don't have all those fancy raid buffs

[unreal drum]

^

[bright lodge]

And it seems like you are using different builds(can's see prep on your vid)

[edgy owl]

(the second screen isn't mine)

[bright lodge]

Oh

[stoic wagon]

Dispatch at 5cp

Don’t try to go at 7 if you’re already at 5

[stoic wagon]

Only thing I saw

[edgy owl]

well yeah I did it once, but it seems weird to me that my sim is that low

[stoic wagon]

How many crit and haste %?

[edgy owl]

(stats with thalassian oil active)

[soft abyss]

what buffs and consums you have in this sim ?

[stoic wagon]

Really low on crit

[edgy owl]

only oil

[soft abyss]

and raidbuffs?

[vivid vessel]

can anyone confirm it can drop from delves

[soft abyss]

nothing ?

[edgy owl]

not on this sim no

[soft abyss]

yeah so I guess your dmg is fine

[inland acorn]

you have feast + flask in sim

just fyi

[soft abyss]

no consums no enchants no buffs and no craft weaopon

[normal quail]

@vivid vessel do you have any sims you can post if possible pls

[unreal drum]

yeee just need some gear fine tuning you'll be fine

[vivid vessel]

sims of what

[normal quail]

single target dps patchwork

[pure folio]

You’re not using blade rush before using finishers

Missing CDR

[edgy owl]

bladerush gives cdr? didn't know that

it isn't written on the spell, is it a talent?

[inland acorn]

it doesn't

what he means

you want BR on cd

so it gets CDR

[edgy owl]

oh yeah I see

[inland acorn]

So technically your priority is

1. BR
2. BtE
   asap

so your cdr goes to work on those two

[pure folio]

Cooldowns>finsihers

[edgy owl]

got it ty

[pure folio]

Consider ADR RTB and BR cooldowns

Also, I can’t see your talent build but I’m assuming ur running the dungeon one trying to practice ST?

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gU2oC1d3eRTz5dbVGQD1BL

[normal quail]

thanks mate

[edgy owl]

yeah it was late tonight I had M+ talent build I didn't check, but on the sims it's raid talent build

[pure folio]

Another thing, if ur at 1 cp with 3 opportunity stacks and a 2+ buff

You sinister strike>pistol shot

This way you either end at 3 or 6 from ur SS. If it’s 3 u pistol shot, if it’s 6 you just finish. This is to avoid wasting CPs

[edgy owl]

I indeed completly forgot that even though I read it haha, ty

[inland acorn]

it's more on min-max side so

It's something to think about when you get everything else in order

[edgy owl]

what buffs are on zac's sim? gonna do the same to compare

[pure folio]

But yes main thing I saw was u not reacting to BR/putting it on cooldown fast enough

[inland acorn]

all raid buffs, except Pi

[edgy owl]

yeah I didn't realise BR was an important cd in mono

[edgy owl]

any flask?

[inland acorn]

crit flask

Also full ST build, so it also includes prep

Your sim didn't ran prep I think

[pure folio]

Yea I think u have the wrong build

[inland acorn]

It's not wrong per se

He might just hate prep

Like we all do

[pure folio]

Fair

[edgy owl]

yes, I removed it from my ST build, and took second point in Summarily Dispatched

I indeed hate prep

[inland acorn]

Ye i can understand not running it even if it's dps loss

Shit is annyoing

[edgy owl]

with all the buffs I get 57.879, the rest should be gear diff, ty all for your help!

amazing discord community, I'm happy to start wow with rogue in this community

[inland acorn]

Ye everyone is usually happy to start with rogue

At the start

[pure folio]

😀 😀

Love hate relationship

[edgy owl]

well life would be easier as another class but hey, I'm not in a really good guild and my poor rogue skills were enough to be top dps, so for now I'm happy

I have to stay with bad players so I think rogue is good

cope

[inland acorn]

Well, as long as you enjoy it

[wintry solar]

Yeah this place is awesome, literally everyone is excited about the direction

!!!

[inland acorn]

why is your crafted gear 246

[edgy owl]

why does he have 4p :sus:

[inland acorn]

They gave it to him

So he can play sub in raid

[edgy owl]

lmao

[vivid vessel]

because i havent used sparks?

[narrow pasture]

just craft the dagger cuh

[inner perch]

New to outlaw - When the Between the eyes shots proc a few times in a row, should I spend all procs in succession and go back to my rotation once it hits cooldown, or is it better to refill combo points each time before spending the proc?

[narrow pasture]

you always use between the eyes on 6 or more combo points

so with the chance proc from ace, you need to spend 1 builder to get back to 6 or 7 for the next bte

[inner perch]

Cool, thanks - I thought this to be the case, but thought I'd check.

[narrow pasture]

careful because the apex talent refunds on full

so you must watch which proc you got

[inner perch]

Aah, okay. I'll read into it.

[stoic wagon]

Guys is it possible to down Aleria hm as outlaw right now? I feel like the 5 outlaws in Warcraft log are just getting carried

[inner perch]

Okay, so if it's an Ace proc, add a builder to get it to 6 cp before spending BtE, but if it's an apex proc, spend the full 6.

Pretty satisfying gameplay!

[novel oasis]

Hello guys!
Please what settings i should put in sim? how many minutes? targets? fightstyle?

[stoic wagon]

We are at aleria with my guild and I feel like we might get comp checked

[narrow pasture]

for single target sim, 5 minute patchwerk

for aoe, dungeon slice

full buffs in both cases

[novel oasis]

Thank you

[narrow pasture]

the top sub and outlaw parses are 30k dps apart

so whether you can down it or not will depend on the group

but with the dps check on the boss, you might want to run sub

assa is also more viable than outlaw on that boss if you prefer that over sub

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stoic wagon]

Problem is I have legit no mastery

So switch spec is kinda weird

[vivid vessel]

good thing sub plays crit haste

[stoic wagon]

Really? No mastery?

That’s nice

[vivid vessel]

i mean mastery is mostly equivalent

to crit

[stoic wagon]

Oh then it’s great

Switch sub I am then

Wished I could stick to outlaw

[fickle relic]

outlaw is top 3 in raid guys

[stoic wagon]

Not aleria

[vivid vessel]

for surre

[fickle relic]

from the bottom tho

[vivid vessel]

top 3 out of the rogue spec ye

[stoic wagon]

All the bosses in hm were pretty easy

But we stuck so hard on aleria it’s insane

And dps check is so hard

[quasi bough]

will you guys swap to sub for duengons like academy?

in m+ ofc

[static crescent]

Devourer for m+

[fickle relic]

is 74 how high i am compared to my spec, or to everyone?

[vivid vessel]

spec

you are in the 74 percentile

on that fight

for outalws

[fickle relic]

thanks, how high are you on crown?

[vivid vessel]

havent done it yet

we were doing splits of everythign else

al;so i wont play outlaw :D

[pure folio]

not :D

[fickle relic]

good idea 👍🏻

[winter cave]

what

zac is not playing outlaw

It's the end

[vivid vessel]

outlaw seems to be doing about 40% less damage than sub or assa in p3 crown

[winter cave]

Ouch

Okay might have to switch then

I kinda expected I'll eventually need to get some sub gear 🙁

[fickle relic]

and people were saying that no changes for outlaw was good

[winter cave]

we might reach crown today so

What makes outlaw fucked in p3 of crown ?

[fickle relic]

40% less damage is wild

[vivid vessel]

almost 50%

only lok got to 40%

[vivid vessel]

well its a phase that last just enough for people to get 2 cds off

with lust

and pot

and you play outlaw

[winter cave]

Okay cause it's short

got it

[vivid vessel]

and cause you comes in from a 1 min downtime

[inland acorn]

1 min downtime = omega value for deadly pursuit

[vivid vessel]

1min downtime is enough to press dance 2/3 times in intermission actually

to have some supercharger up

outlaw get 10s of cdr during that 1min downtime

very good

even if all outlaw cds reseted on downtime it wouldnt be enough to not make it turbo shit on that kind of things

so idk what they thought 10s cdr would do

[inland acorn]

You just dont see the vision of this new great direction zac

[static crescent]

Big outlaw buff inc this evening

Trust

I said it first here

[inland acorn]

I mean we're getting buff on reset

big 4%

[river wing]

I have resolved to stop dooming until I have actually decent gear (i.e. all Hero or higher) and set
it will likely still be gapped like no tomorrow, but at least then I will be able to said I gave it my all

[inland acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/linkin-park-in-the-end-linkin-park-in-the-end-music-chester-bennington-gif-26242393

its ok guys

we're getting aoe blind back in .5

[static crescent]

This evening they will buff more it will be roughly articulated "after closer inspection of data <insert omegabuff>:

[wintry solar]

Another 12% to pvp because you didn't specify

[inland acorn]

Outlaw op in PvP ?!

[wintry solar]

You fool

12% of bad is bad!!

[inland acorn]

[wintry solar]

[merry elk]

outlaw will be s tier in pvp. just very high skill cap

[vivid vessel]

pvp !

[merry elk]

hello sir french cheese pfp , mr zac, how r u doing today

[vivid vessel]

im good im good

[zinc briar]

0% chance

[vivid vessel]

ye i dont think outlaw is getting buffed lol

its about where its at

every other season it didnt get buffed

[zinc briar]

that 4% buff said everything

take that and dont cry me more useless class

[gleaming reef]

THEN I CRY NERF THE OTHER CLASSES

haha

if we are that weak, let others be weaker

then we are strong!

[vivid vessel]

well

outlaw compete against sub and assa so

i would rather sub and assa get nerfed than ohter classes

sorry bud

[gleaming reef]

just remove rogue from wow

at this rate

[vivid vessel]

would give everything for one outlaw tier

[zinc briar]

i hope assa get more buffs since we have to chose between assa and subt

subt is boring af

[vivid vessel]

and sin is a cuck spec

sub litteraly has ace

let me play sub instead

[zinc briar]

Meh, both are boring

i go back to the bed

today is a sad day

i have to craft a dagger

the dream is over, outlaw is dead, again 🙁

[serene urchin]

surely they change outlaw tier set right guys

[tight pawn]

lol the tears. world of roguecraft still lives in 2026

amazing

[vivid vessel]

this isnt the pvp channel

[zinc briar]

subt set does 8% more dmg than outlaw

[vivid vessel]

10

[zinc briar]

10?

are u joking?

[vivid vessel]

its 14%

ours is 4

[zinc briar]

pfffff

[river wing]

surely you lose some damage on sub due to unavoidable drowsiness and having to sip energy drinks to stop falling asleep

[mighty pivot]

lol the tears. world of roguecraft still lives in 2026

amazing

[vivid vessel]

lol the tears. world of roguecraft still lives in 2026

amazing

[blissful idol]

[vivid vessel]

cant make this up

[zinc briar]

go forums? i want to cry more

[mighty pivot]

detective zac

[vivid vessel]

he has 3 messages in the discord it wasnt hard

its always the rtb haters

[wintry solar]

All the hate rogue collectively received over the years should've been directed specifically to sub

[mighty pivot]

we all have the start somewhere when it comes to trolling or rage baiting

[mighty pivot]

why

[wintry solar]

Hasn't been bad since wrath

[mighty pivot]

that sounds like fake

or do you mean in pvp?

[zinc briar]

Sounds like pet collector opinion

[wintry solar]

Yeah pvp. I thought that's what World of Roguecraft was referencing my apologies

[zinc briar]

The never did high end

Ah ok u mean pvp

[mighty pivot]

it was about world pvp yes. But also the last one was in vanilla still iirc so it has been like 21 years since

[wintry solar]

Oldge game

[mighty pivot]

you cannot even gank people anymore...

[wintry solar]

Why's that

[mighty pivot]

they have to be in war mode or set PvP on

the irony is that a lot in those videos relied on Preparation, now an outlaw ability

[river wing]

I imagine warmode's population is like 10% of regular layers

[mighty pivot]

I am willing to bet popo's left nut that most warmoders are just people levelling

[river wing]

yeah probs, I know a few, most of them are in fact there for the free exp boost

they barely ever fight anyone anyway

[wintry solar]

Don't mind him, he thinks of my left nut a lot

[jolly geyser]

oh, I still have WM on

[wintry solar]

Well whatever participation wpvp had is more than likely gone with WM gear no longer scaling up in instance pvp

[mighty pivot]

when was the last time wpvp was somewhat relevant anyway?

[river wing]

uh
uhhhh
TBC I guess?

like very minor but you could get a buff for Mag prog

[wintry solar]

I remember wpvp in BFA was arguably the best wpvp to be had, unfortunately blizz forgot things had to be iterated upon

[mighty pivot]

I don't remember any wpvp in bfa

[wintry solar]

I did tons

[river wing]

you could technicaly try and say that VoA/Baradin Hold in WotLK/Cata were an extra source of gear that was available by winning in PvP
but honestly it didn't require you to do PvP

[wintry solar]

STV was still a hotspot at the time

And the n'zoth toy

Killing you're own faction

[river wing]

but after Cata, just about the only thing PvP usually got you was PvP gear
and the last time it was good in PvE was...SL?

[mighty pivot]

you and who else, buddy? Were you killing the pvp npcs?

[wintry solar]

It was very active in my experience

[mighty pivot]

That was basically instanced. When the fights for WG/BH started nobody else could join

[river wing]

oh, world pvp basically died after TBC yeah

[mighty pivot]

ye only people like popo still do that

[river wing]

TBC gave you a 5% or 10% buff for Mag for holding all three points in HFP and that was the biggest impact it had

[wintry solar]

Nah

It died in SL when they stopped treating WM like they did in bfa

I did some in tww actually

Only S2 though

[fringe dirge]

Sticky says "Umbral Plume and Ranger Captain's Insignia are expected to be tied for bis though the Plume does scale better in aoe"
However I cant get Insignia to sim well somehow. For me its 0.1% Dmg gain as 6/6Hero compared to my 6/6 Champion Vessel and Eye of Void...

Does it just sim way worse then it actually performs?

I got around 33% Crit, so that should be close to fine for it aswell I think

[narrow pasture]

ive been getting 2.5% - 3% of total from a 6/6 champ insignia in logs

probably undersims in your case

its good

in practice

after alnseer nerf my best sim is plume + insignia

[mighty pivot]

when you have questions like these always link your sim and then someone can check what is going on

[subtle void]

yo guys

any tips agasint latency in raid like withc combo points its horrible sometime

[mystic berry]

the best you can do is wangbar

But it wont fix it completely

combo points lagging are one of the classic rogue bugs

[subtle void]

okok ty

also i have another bug

slice and dice put me out of invisibility

/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Slice and Dice

like so annoying

[inland acorn]

Ar puts you out

Because it hits your target with coin

[subtle void]

ah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[inland acorn]

it's fatebound talent

If you don't target anything, it shouldn't put you out of stealth

[subtle void]

okok u open fight like this i nraid ?

[inland acorn]

I mean it's either snd or dispatch

Stealth doesn't matter for us anymore

[subtle void]

ok i perma dispatch then

[inland acorn]

So it's fine if coin breaks your stealth

[subtle void]

ty bosses ❤️

[inland acorn]

there is raid opener in #outlaw-faq in rotation section

[subtle void]

u think using bladerush at the start to close gap is relevant ?

like first spell

[thorn parrot]

It should be after your SND or dispatch so it makes sense to SNd into blade rush if you need the gap closer and want to be fancy

All of this is in the faq also for different min maxing scenarios also

[inland acorn]

No BR should be before dispatch

[indigo token]

i have like 241 ilvl

i was competing w the fucking brewmaster in dmg output

[inland acorn]

that doesn't explain gray parse thou 💀

Unless you're missing a lot of haste

[mystic berry]

might be crit too

[thorn parrot]

Forgive me you’re right

[inland acorn]

or crit ye

[mystic berry]

I was hitting like a noodle before I had 30 crit

[inland acorn]

Never, I've written your name in my grudge book

gg

[thorn parrot]

What’s your haste with that crit?

[mystic berry]

20 rn

[thorn parrot]

Ok yeah I’m itemizing for that same range right now

[mystic berry]

got the triumvirate crit haste head

felt good

[inland acorn]

I've been farming it 4 days now

[mystic berry]

I am still in need of pit dagger

[inland acorn]

that too

[mystic berry]

and terrace back

my back is atrocious

like vers mastery

[mystic berry]

I only dropped it yesterday lol

[inland acorn]

there is crit haste cloak from quest for raid no ?

[mystic berry]

true, forgot about that

[indigo token]

uhh

lemme check

[loud blaze]

does it matter which training dummy we practice on?

[indigo token]

@inland acorn

[mystic berry]

yeah those are kinda low for 240

both crit and haste

[indigo token]

I'd barely geared up in time for the raid and M0's tbh ive been busy

[atomic monolith]

leveling as outlaw currently and uh do we keep being energy starved all the way or?

feels like im spending half the dungeon just auto attacking

[inland acorn]

Yes

Leveling rogue overall sucks massively

Outlaw without full talents is very energy starved

[atomic monolith]

well im 82 currently

i guess it will be just as shit at 90?

because if so ill just abandon this alt

[inland acorn]

it will get little better

because then you'll have tea + apex talents + full hero talents

with all talents + ~20% haste, you have rarely energy issues

[vivid vessel]

do you guys know of an addon that would add little text on enchant items like "leech", "ring crit" etc etc

so you can see wtf the enchants in your bags are

without mouseovering

[copper radish]

So there are emergency buff notes Inc this week for rogue, right??? Right????

[elder sonnet]

just saw the updated data in wcl

we're like so bottom of the barrel, surely they won't keep it this way right?

[inland acorn]

wdym

we're getting 4% on reset

[vivid vessel]

this spec getting more buffs than us btw

[vapid sundial]

i saw the funniest reply under guys tweet for sin

'your 4 set is 20% '

[copper radish]

10% single target increase for it lololol

It’s gonna blast can’t wait

[vivid vessel]

well sub is 14% so its not that wrong

[vapid sundial]

but the problem is

wow community instantly going

'you are playing bis spec always, for sure right'

[halcyon mantle]

Sorry to break up the conversation , but does anyone know a good way to figure out how to improve? I saw WowAnalyzer doesn't support outlaw and i want to see if i got bad habits/movement on certain fights and all. Just to help me out in the future?

[inland acorn]

you're shit out of luck

Best we can do to help you, if you have VOD of you doing rotation

preferably with addon/weakaura to see GCD history

We can also try looking at logs, but outlaw logs are pile of shit to read

Other than that, just read through #outlaw-faq rotation section

[elder sonnet]

atleast we'll be the best m+ spec right?

outlaw bros cope

[halcyon mantle]

Ah that is unfortunate hope there was a another site like WowAnalyzer somewhere or something, i dont wanna bother people to look at logs and i fully believed myself to do things correctly but i will study outlaw-faq again 😆

[copper radish]

Isn’t there an addon that turns Warcraft logs into a video for this?

[inland acorn]

idk, i don't remember, and never tried so not sure how accurate it is

[inland acorn]

I mean, you can get some GCD history tracking addon or something, go hit dummies, record it and post

This would be fastest way to get any feedback

[loud blaze]

I'm clearly doing something wrong. My sims say 38k unbuffed and I'm hitting training dummies at 32k. No clue what's missing.

[keen belfry]

record a dummy session and review it

[glass grove]

Outlaw always looks super good first weeks of the ssn when nobody knows what to pull and everything is chaos

[vivid vessel]

doesnt even look that good this time

:D

[glass grove]

Guess its time to reroll then

We gonna close ravenholdt like the paladins closed their discord? Or was it the shamans. Idk

[vivid vessel]

pal

ret

[keen belfry]

in a normal outlaw tier, isnt this raid pretty well designed for outlaw

constant cleave

[proven ocean]

[keen belfry]

in a normal tier zeross!

not this one where our BF does 0 dmg

[proven ocean]

U say alot of random things gnawa

[keen belfry]

tyty

[proven ocean]

In a bad way

[glass grove]

No

[vivid vessel]

if outlaw did good low target cleave maybe ? idk

[keen belfry]

besides crown of courses

[vivid vessel]

its mostly designed for ranged

[glass grove]

The cleave bosses are spread cleave. Except for paladins

[keen belfry]

well yeah we used to fuck in low target

[vivid vessel]

dragon might not be spread cleave in mythic tho

[keen belfry]

like first 3 seem very good for outlaw, dragons seem OK, vanguard we should be giga, cosmos is ass

[glass grove]

Plus belo’ren and l’ura are effectively ST i think

[proven ocean]

[glass grove]

First 3 dont matter anyway. U can zone in without ur apex talents and kill those

[vivid vessel]

vanguard should be giga?

and then outlaw isnt even the best rogue spec on vanguard

[keen belfry]

remember chat i prefaced this with "in a normal tier"

[proven ocean]

This guy

[vivid vessel]

ok sure

in a normal tier

[keen belfry]

thats the whjole point of what i said

[glass grove]

Why isnt this tier normal

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

[glass grove]

Seems normal to me

[proven ocean]

Ye on a tier where outlaw does 5000% more dmg do u think we’ll be meta?

[keen belfry]

because we do 0 cleave dmg

[vivid vessel]

cause bf got turbo nerfed into oblivion

for some reason

[proven ocean]

Probably not according to ur thoughts

Gnawa

[keen belfry]

@proven ocean and @glass grove are dense as shit today

[fluid meadow]

we miss some bf dmg to be okay compared to these

[vivid vessel]

maybe its cause

outlaw did too much aoe damage in s3 tww

thoguhts

punished for its sins !

[keen belfry]

we were too op on soul hunters

[proven ocean]

@keen belfry ye keep on calling people dense when u dont understand how the game works

[glass grove]

Thats what is so great about playing a triple dps class with 3 fun specs

[vivid vessel]

!

[glass grove]

If one isnt good, try another one 🙂

[sinful saddle]

From what im currently experiencing, yes Outlaw feels a bit behind, but completly fine in clearing every content without problem. In early Mythic Progression probably not usefull compared to sub or anything ^^

[vivid vessel]

hm

one is never good tho how interesting

[keen belfry]

how tf did sub pass outlaw on that boss

[vivid vessel]

double dps class you mean

[keen belfry]

did kill timers get super good or something

[vivid vessel]

idk cuh

[proven ocean]

^^

[glass grove]

More ppl playing it

Also easier to execute than outlaw was at the time

[keen belfry]

i hear what ur saying but it makes no sense

ty for input tho

[glass grove]

Also sub wasnt even bad on that boss xd

[keen belfry]

im guessing kill timer became goated or something

[vivid vessel]

we fell off lil bro

happen

[keen belfry]

bad procs maybe?

[vivid vessel]

ye unlucky rng

[glass grove]

For everyone

Nobody got procs in 11.2.5

[keen belfry]

like it wasnt even close pre turbo boost

[vivid vessel]

i wasnt playing seriously in raid after turbo boost awang

i think thats why

[keen belfry]

but yeah outlaw being bad in THIS current raid seems funny to me as these raid fights seem pretty good for what outlaw usually does

[glass grove]

Zac sandbagging farm to keep outlaw rogue from getting nerfed

[vivid vessel]

fr

[noble moon]

random question since this would apply to blade flurry, does it only boost the initial hit or would jank code make the rest of the hits do more as well

[vivid vessel]

we just lost our last niche gg !

see you next expac

[noble moon]

im sure its only buffing the ability spell id and not the buff spell id

[keen belfry]

1am xpac right?

[vivid vessel]

only initial but i dont think it apply to bf

altough it says attacks that generate combo points

this is often misleading

we have a few talents like that

that dont apply to bf

[keen belfry]

heavy hitter shold buff AR by 20%

[vivid vessel]

and some do

idk

[keen belfry]

since it generates cps

[vivid vessel]

i dont rmemeber

[noble moon]

its only because of the bm drama i was wondering if there was a thing that wasnt implemented in sims properly that we could magically find 30% in game from a random talent

[glass grove]

I have an idea

[vivid vessel]

well

[glass grove]

What if AR didnt lose duration while we were stealthed

[vivid vessel]

it would prolly be worth more around 1% than 30

xd

[glass grove]

And BF didnt lose duration while AR was up

[vivid vessel]

this aint bm hunter cuh

we have proper sims

bvanger idea idiot man !

[keen belfry]

ignoring subterfuge stuff, this is how it should work

[vivid vessel]

it hsould right

[glass grove]

[vivid vessel]

i think adr should stop ticking down the moment your gcd isnt moving

not even a joke btw

me think if i start running adr should pause

thats my take

if you disagree you are negative iq and i hate you

[keen belfry]

i disagree!

[noble moon]

if you're running you're actively consuming the adrenaline in your body though

so it should run out faster but give you move speed

[vivid vessel]

no

you are wrong

gg

[noble moon]

fugma

cant argue with that

[glass grove]

Its too hard to play

[near rock]

it should also give you 100% increased damage and let all your BTE's always proc ace

[vivid vessel]

im not trolling tho

[keen belfry]

ar should have something like u mentioned, i get ur point

i just think let it and bf not tick down during stealth and its fine

man i really really hated refreshing BF on vanguard @vivid vessel

like really hated it

[vivid vessel]

:D

[fluid meadow]

bte gives ar uptime, during ar bf timer stops

[keen belfry]

id like the AR BF interaction

something that can make me press BF less, esp in low target cleave, im very down for

[inland acorn]

ye ngl,

having to keep pressing bf on bosses like vanguard

is just so annoying

[keen belfry]

our energy is already sus af

3 target BF

just to do 0 dmg in 3 target cleave

[inland acorn]

idk if i even count this as 3 target bf

Cuz half the time one of the paladins is in narnia

casting his stupid spells

[keen belfry]

and ye its even worse on 2

bf builder/builer bf is so bad

@proven ocean

[split jolt]

got this from my trove and it seems OK but I don't see it on wowhead guide or bloodmallet?

[radiant wyvern]

sim it

[proven ocean]

Ur cat

is

U know what i wanna say

[radiant wyvern]

[proven ocean]

Nvm thats a rat

[hazy temple]

Is anyone else getting good sims from Crucible of Erratic Energies? Does it function in raid or is it simbait?

[keen belfry]

Check pins

U gotta upgrade it

But it’s good at this ilvl

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel guy is the outlaw guy not solo now?

Zac when will u green

Prob never right

Or

[mystic berry]

funny graph

[jovial dock]

what does yall dmg look like at heroic chimaerus ?

[river zenith]

Sorry for the silly question, but how big is the difference in dps between the races? like going from blood elf to orc

[cobalt token]

Minimal

Sim it

[fresh acorn]

Like a 2% from the absolute worst to the best

Belf to orc is probably like 0.5%?

Maybe not on outlaw

[charred yoke]

Will help with the 4% buff. But it's interesting to see that every class around our lower left corner has high-performing alternatives. Well Shaman is also kinda meh, but they bring a lot more also

[formal thunder]

guys should I make 2 set with 1 drop and cata? Feels like I shouldn't, but i need a hit of dopamine

[keen belfry]

Wait for vault

[silk gale]

Def sim, but this site has delve trinkets (no d-slice sims). Super nice trinket to meet haste if you're low

https://liquidarmory.com/trinket-tracker?wowClass=Rogue&wowSpec=Outlaw

[formal thunder]

[keen belfry]

its one day cuh

imagine u cata legs and get hero legs in vault

[formal thunder]

2 days, I'm Europoor

[gaunt ether]

rtb is ass now

[naive river]

I just hate how all rogue specs are underperforming

[vagrant jacinth]

just simply perform then

[quick ridge]

I feel like outlaw is going to feel amazing in keys, I’m so excited to try

[naive river]

I really like the way the class plays just not happy with the tuning

[quick ridge]

Maybe it’ll all smooth out with more secondaries from better gear

[patent mirage]

i wonder how they came up with the 4% though

[lime lake]

four is a nice number

[formal thunder]

yea, like 4% expected gain from Tset

[sullen walrus]

@vivid vessel second boss in the voidspire aoe build?

[mystic berry]

I hate when the tset focuses on one skill, even worse when its not even a builder or spender

[vivid vessel]

no

[upper hawk]

16% is their favorite number for outlaw to be behind so they had to buff by 4

[dim parrot]

Man I sure hope they buff unholy some more

[mystic berry]

Worse thing about the panic hotfix

Is that uhdks still believe they are ok

And need no further balance

[molten nacelle]

did something change with the vessel in sims? its simming worse today for me

[gleaming reef]

gotta believe!

maybe the 4% will turn to 8%

[slim hare]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[fallen quail]

I changed my transmog and gained 4% dmg buff. True story

[mystic berry]

if you transmog a sword into dagger, you hit faster

[sullen walrus]

this build is good for raid?

or this is better?

[fickle relic]

First one for aoe second one for st

Just change for some bosses

[sullen walrus]

fallen kinf salhadar, vorasius

st?

[fickle relic]

And maybe drop preparation for better roll chances

I just use wowhead builds, they're basically witten by top rogues here so you won't miss

[gloomy adder]

At least they clarified that they will continue monitoring as more people move into hc

Surely outlaw will receive a reasonable increase to the damage per second

[frail veldt]

I think they'll give it another small buff until we are just below average and never touch it again

[fast fossil]

how come outlaw doesnt do that well on vanguard

[gloomy adder]

I’ve consulted the waters and foreseen them making an absolutely bonkers boost to tier set that catapults us to top 3 I’m afraid (screenshot this)

[fast fossil]

i feel like theres a lot of cleave this tier and yet outlaw and enhance which is similar get shit on

[vivid vessel]

bf got nerfed from 50 to30% in midnight

and pc got deleted

in tww we were cleaving that boss at 110%

now at 30

thtas why

[frail veldt]

yeah just a little 70% nerf to our low target cleave

[slim hare]

like thats a good thing

[crimson scarab]

would it make sense to run deft for crown of the cosmos?

or deadly pursuit could be better because of the high downtime?

[vivid vessel]

deadly is usless

it doesnt do anything lol

its a fake talent

[frail veldt]

its pretty bad lol

[slim hare]

its ok in slow m+ pugs (even then its probably real bad but at least it activates a bunch )

[outer meteor]

whats the play to do well on this boss, i didnt feel like i played it terribly https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n1LPxrWmaqGDpC3f?fight=25&type=damage-done

[slim hare]

everywhere else its shit

[mystic berry]

Enhance have bad numbers, thats all, they play about the same as tww
The apex talent for SB sucks ass

[waxen scarab]

do we prep after adr finish or we can extend?

[fast fossil]

is st at least good as a tradeoff?

[frail veldt]

lol no

[static crescent]

Are u guys rdy, more rogue buffs in few hours

100% it will happen

[zinc briar]

Sure

[frail veldt]

buffs come on fridays

usually

[static crescent]

I can sense the writer right now, figuring how to articulate the buffs into a post

[keen belfry]

bf needs % increase

[clever wasp]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail veldt]

"We've noticed outlaw is dragging behind slightly in aoe. We are increasing bladeflurry cleave from 30% to 40%. We are making a compensatory nerf to its other damage sources. All ability damage reduced by 5%"

[vivid vessel]

[gusty topaz]

[frail veldt]

🙂

[static crescent]

If i hit update and and see uhdk buffs im uninstalling

[vivid vessel]

why do you guys think there i more to come tho lol

outlaw been worse than that and not gotten buffs

[static crescent]

They did that last week to many classes, reverting n shit asap

[keen belfry]

its not tww s3 they will on top of buffing specs

dw

[static crescent]

Or maybe they revert our 4%