outlaw

[hasty warren]

1h waiting and i'm halfway

[balmy topaz]

Zac goes on a bus

He has to travel to and from work on a bus

4 hour commute each way

[vivid vessel]

what is job queueing

[balmy topaz]

I presume like

Job centre

If people don’t have a job and get paid by goverment

They have to search for a job

Or they don’t get ‘state’ funding

[balmy topaz]

How long

Do you have off

For m+ launch

[vivid vessel]

im unemployed rn

first time in my life

[balmy topaz]

Ohh sick

[vivid vessel]

and its great

im loving it

i need to find a way to do this all my life

[balmy topaz]

I mean

Stream bro

[vivid vessel]

win the lottery or smth

[balmy topaz]

If you streamed more

You’d be able to earn at least money for takeaways

[vivid vessel]

i think when you start being a streamer

and talking to chat and shit

it prolly becomes a bit like a job

and its not fun anymore

i like that i dont care about streaming

[balmy topaz]

Maybe ye

[slim hare]

Depends if you like doing it

[vivid vessel]

talking no

i hate tthat

[balmy topaz]

Zac doesn’t even talk to his m+ team

[slim hare]

Yet you yap so much

[balmy topaz]

What he makes up for in talking

He makes up in yapping

[hasty warren]

I'm doing a job dating to a supermarket. But there's a big queue, like 150 ppl no cap

[balmy topaz]

So I was completely off

Gg

[vivid vessel]

really

that feels like a movie

i swear its not like that in real life

[hasty warren]

look at this

[vivid vessel]

isnt it kinda stupid to have a one day only scheduled for poeple to come

instead of like

just coming whenever

both are fine with it

i mean i guess if there is tat many people

i wouldnt go im ngl

[hasty warren]

normaly u can give candidature whenever u want

but here it's an yearly event to have fast meeting

all that to work at Lerclerc lol

[balmy topaz]

At least it ain’t next Wednesday

[hasty warren]

for m+ release you mean ?

[balmy topaz]

Ye

[hasty warren]

I'm not playing anymore, my pc is kinda broken sadly

[signal rampart]

Good Morning, new here. Is there an addon that allows you to better track Roll the Bones?

[hardy wigeon]

finally can play the game

[signal rampart]

Any tips/suggestions for energy? I find that there are moments where there is nothing I can do, no SS or PS. Just autoattack. Is that normal?

[meager lichen]

Get more haste and dont waste energy (like overcaping CP), look at the outlaw faq section many good infos

[signal rampart]

Thanks, sorry to bother

[hasty warren]

look for the rotation, use BR on cd

[balmy topaz]

No but you can put it in cdm

[signal rampart]

Thanks, I used to have a Weak Aura that basically told me to keep it or reroll.

[jolly geyser]

the fuck is this 4%?

[vivid vessel]

lil drop

so you can play sub next week anyway

[novel oasis]

Hello guys!
got this fist weapon ( was unlucky with weapons)
should it be on main hand or off-hand

[glass anvil]

what cheap food do you guys use now for outlaw? I used to run chippy teas for chill content

[vivid vessel]

i mean the normal food is pretty cheap no ?

[balmy topaz]

Training cooking takes like 20 mins

And it’s omega cheap

[vivid vessel]

and you can make it hearthy

[glass anvil]

oh is it? last I checked they were like 400g each kekw

[vivid vessel]

ye

[vivid vessel]

well im not talking about feasts or whatever you are checking

[subtle void]

@vivid vessel watch ur dm boss

[vivid vessel]

im talking about normal food

[balmy topaz]

Training cooking and making 200 hearthy meals cost me like 10k

[vivid vessel]

and you make it hearhy yourself

[vivid vessel]

just ask your question

maybe i answer if i feel like it lol

[balmy topaz]

[vivid vessel]

dming people to ask if you can ask question is idk

just ask bro

[balmy topaz]

Ye just ask it here

[vivid vessel]

or here ye its whatever

usually i answer people here rather than dm but

[balmy topaz]

@zac QQ

If you have LD

And you are on 2

You’re rolling right?

[vivid vessel]

only if kir is ready

[balmy topaz]

Okay fair ye

[vivid vessel]

otherwise you are cukcing your 2 buff uptime

its bad

[balmy topaz]

Ye makes sense

Does the sim do that

[vivid vessel]

ye

well not exactly

its not in the apl yet

but we know its better

[balmy topaz]

Ye okay fair

Soon we’ll be in the 110k gang

[quartz magnet]

zac is your gcd tracker a separate wa import or is is included in the general interface wa?

[vivid vessel]

nah its separate

i can make it an export if you want

i wanted to add cp tracking before

will do that

i hate that this can happen with plater

why is there a gap

lil pixel

!!

[balmy topaz]

Bad plater profile

Gg

[balmy topaz]

If you do this please lmk

I use one atm and it’s crap

[craggy quiver]

are training dummies toy accurate?

likr thry not deflateing or inflating numbers or w/e

[cursive gyro]

This is offensive. We don't need aura buffs. They should reduce the lesser classes' dps. You can't fix perfection. We're supposed to be the goal other classes strive for.

[balmy topaz]

As long as you’re attacking ones that are similar leve

Yeah

[craggy quiver]

so like this tuskar dummy thing

i cant tell the level maybe cause of my plater

should be ok yea?

[vivid vessel]

will take me 5 min

one sec

[balmy topaz]

Is it

A m33kaura

[vivid vessel]

ye

[balmy topaz]

Cool

Have you got any other useful ones

I got the opp Proc sound

Ohh if youve got the crosshair

[vivid vessel]

i have melee range, altough its a bit buggy in regard to target detection i need to investigate one (can also fix that by just parenting it to target tho)

[balmy topaz]

That would be useful

[vivid vessel]

i have crosshair

i have poisons and shroud

i also have tricks but i need to recode that

i have killing spree sound

does tick tick tick click !

[balmy topaz]

The shroud one is that the countdown

[vivid vessel]

i have rogue texts, like no feint, no step

[vivid vessel]

no you cant do that

just a buff tracking

[balmy topaz]

Ahh okay

[vivid vessel]

i have a defensive buff bar

but its better than the one you have

i have this

i have skyrinding

i have missing buffs tracker, like food flask raid buff etc

i have circle around mouse

datatext like fps duration and hour

[balmy topaz]

Yeah I need circle tbh

[vivid vessel]

bl and br icon

in comabt tracker icon

zzz when you sleep in city

big one that one

very important

[balmy topaz]

That’s massive

Kinda game breaking tbh

Idk how

They didn’t stop that

[vivid vessel]

it even have an animation look

im proud of that one

[balmy topaz]

Yeah I mean when you do it, if you could ping over the crosshair, cursor and GCD with cps

Would be goated

Also

Did you manage to look into the BF range one

[vivid vessel]

i didnt

tho im sure it works

i just havent looked into it

[balmy topaz]

Fair play

[vivid vessel]

also my cp bar and energy is weak aura

[balmy topaz]

Blizzard are raging

[hasty warren]

ok I've finish the job interview

bro asked me who was inspiring me, wasn't ready for this

[vivid vessel]

did you answer zac

[balmy topaz]

I would’ve put Zac

[livid pewter]

how this possible, a 237 dagger outsims 253 mace in offhand

[hasty warren]

nah I said a prof I had at university

[balmy topaz]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

lame

[balmy topaz]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[balmy topaz]

Zac

Day 1

Spam pit

Sub loot spec

Spam it

Gg

[hasty warren]

Zachary is my outlaw sensei !

[vivid vessel]

gg !

[hasty warren]

idk how to write your name sry

[balmy topaz]

I’ve subbed to Zac

Cus his ads

Suck

I cba

I paused it like 3x

I think that’s cus im mod?

[hasty warren]

Zac is just a better version of me

[balmy topaz]

I can do that

[vivid vessel]

i have minimal ads tho ?

im at 3min

[livid pewter]

do we keep champ crests? or we upgrade those 2/6 champ items

[vivid vessel]

which is the least you can have to not have preroll ads

tho idk if that even works cause i think you always get preroll ads and twitch is lying but

[vivid vessel]

send them all

useless next week with m+

[livid pewter]

ye thats what i thought

[balmy topaz]

I think you do ye

[hasty warren]

remember to use vet crest to upgrade vet gear to 2/6 champ and then have free 2/6 champ upgrade

[vivid vessel]

yes

[hasty warren]

so less champ crest usage

[livid pewter]

ye ik

[balmy topaz]

After your last raid day

Champ crests are basically useless

This week

[quartz magnet]

yes plz

[vivid vessel]

@mighty pivot you there cuh

[junior folio]

Does ambush also proc Opportunity?

[patent mirage]

sometimes i wonder how they pull those numbers

like how do they come up with 4%

[hardy thicket]

Crucible does not work outside of the voidstorm raid or outside of the voidstorm zone right

[lime lake]

well its the only number (in english) with the same amount of letters as its value

so its a good number

[vivid vessel]

guy said so but idk if he knows for sure or is just guessing

the tooltip is unclear to me

[hardy thicket]

seeing mixed messages here

[vivid vessel]

actually i wanted to check and i forgot

its easy to test

[lime lake]

i think shindigg tested it to confirm it works

[vivid vessel]

one of the thing is duration reduced

you can remove it and test on dummies

and compare

[hardy thicket]

I saw comments on wowhead saying they worked on dummies

so iuno

[vivid vessel]

ok then

[hardy thicket]

this is annyoing af

[daring yoke]

Bro with all the excellent feedback they received and best they could do is 4% 😭

[hardy thicket]

ye im getting the double uptime on it on dummies

tf

so i just assume it works everywhere then or

[static crescent]

lets see maybe we get more buffs like uhdk in few hours

🙂

[daring yoke]

I think it works outside voidstorm. But if in voidstorm u get console buff as well

[hardy thicket]

ye the 3 points works everywhere it seems

I tested harandar now too still got double duration

[livid pewter]

only if you are specced into HO, which we not doin - just dont press it

[junior folio]

In that case, I usually go in stealth mid dungeons, the only choices are ss or cheap shot then? If I don't go roll the bones

[queen forge]

what are the go to trinkets for outlaw from dungeons?

[hardy thicket]

you just open up with whichever builder is first in priority or even with a finisher if you can finish, so either SS or pistol shot. Stealth doesnt really do anything

you can also just open with BF

[junior folio]

That makes sense

[hardy thicket]

depends on what target count etc

[junior folio]

Thanks, I had ambush on the same keybind as sinister strike but I guess it was when we ran hidden opportunity and crackshot

[vivid vessel]

@balmy topaz @quartz magnet

does it need to do more

i forgot

it doesnt really do anything if you cast

but we arent casters cuh

well it will show cast icon but thats it

[queen forge]

/

[quartz magnet]

its nice as it is now imo

[vivid vessel]

https://wago.io/T7_GL3CXr

[slim hare]

ZAC why

[vivid vessel]

what

[slim hare]

Weakauras

[vivid vessel]

nothing come close to weak auras

its just a goated addon

i dont need you anymore ninja

i thought about it for long

[slim hare]

When addon exist and usually cost less performance than wa

[mighty pivot]

I was here in spirit. I was eeping

[vivid vessel]

ubt i cant do shit with other addons tho

with weak aura i can code a little thing in 5 min

and customize it however i want

[jolly geyser]

is that WA stuff bannable,surely not

[slim hare]

Yeah i know

Wa in raid kills my computer i need to remove it

[vivid vessel]

if i wanted to make an addon to do all the little things i do with weak aura it would take me forever

[slim hare]

Cant play remotely good rn

[vivid vessel]

no

its not doing anything illegal either

no exploits

[vivid vessel]

i mean idealy i would want to remove it aswell but

idk

its not possible

weak aura does too many things

[slim hare]

As long as u dont automate things u can do whatever with wa and never get ban

[vivid vessel]

creating some sort of alternative would take forever

[mighty pivot]

zac is trying to get all outlaws banned for rp reasons

[vivid vessel]

idk

i too would want to ditch weak arua

i think it kinda tanks my performance

for 0

[slim hare]

For sure its not realistic

[vivid vessel]

but like

[slim hare]

Its si powerful

[vivid vessel]

its always at the top for me

[slim hare]

But its like using a bazooka to put nails

[vivid vessel]

and i have seen it jump to legit 40% cpu when you get a lag spike

[slim hare]

Same

[vivid vessel]

idk if it means its the thing doing the lag spike

or if its just how it is

but ye

[icy hare]

What do you guys use for trinket reminders?

[hasty warren]

arcui

[slim hare]

I dont know but i'm CPU bound when i get lag/stutter so ill remove it when i get back home tomorrow

[vivid vessel]

cpu % thing is kinda useless metric tho

this would be better

this is plater

so

ye idk

i dont really know how to properly know what makes you have low fps or fps spikes in wow

idk how to diagnose htat

if anyone has an addon that can help with that btw

[slim hare]

Monitor frame per second and CPU/GPU usage in fonction of time

Correlate

[vivid vessel]

but you cant see that

wdym

[slim hare]

My problem us CPU is dying

Wdym you cant see

[vivid vessel]

yes

i mean idk what causes it

what addon

what part in the addon

[slim hare]

Even task manager has a log of CPU / GPU usage

[vivid vessel]

idc about watching my cpu and gpu usage lol

[slim hare]

Ha yeah that i dont know

[vivid vessel]

wow is always cpu bound

its not new

[slim hare]

I had a addon monitoring addon usage

In tww

Cant remember the name but i was able to get a graph so i could look which one is the problem

Not specific enough for what you want

Also your wa is the only one i got(with some stuff not loaded) and it still kill my CPU dont know what event your tracking in it but ill find a way to remove it and keep everything else. Ill miss sounds tho

[hasty warren]

weakaura had something like that back then

[vivid vessel]

im not doing anything its just weak aura doing things

[magic steppe]

null is possible as o outlul rn ? he just auto me to my grave

[slim hare]

Yeah but event watching in wa was always a problem and depending on which event is selected it can destroy perf

[vivid vessel]

no

event watching was a problem if you made bad weak aura that just watched every combat events lol

you know that your addons watch the same event i do in my weak auras

its legit the same code

[slim hare]

I know, but way too many wa used to do that

[thorn parrot]

Yall still going on about this lol

[vivid vessel]

we started talking about it 10 min are we not allowed

[thorn parrot]

Figured it would have been hashed, keep going I’m almost there

[vivid vessel]

?

whats your issue even

[slim hare]

Also ZAC i dont know if you noticed but acdm made an option to switch profile for each spec

[vivid vessel]

i mean i nkow

but its terrible

[slim hare]

So i'm pretty sure except sound we do not need wa anymore

[vivid vessel]

you need an entire diff profile for any little change you want on a spec

i disagree :D

[slim hare]

True

[vivid vessel]

and anytime you would make a change on one that you want to be shared

you need to do it on every spec

so

[slim hare]

Need to make groups for every line of buff you want to track

I see what you mean but i already abandon using one profile. I just need custom ui for each spec so i dont mind that being separated no matter what

[tropic zephyr]

!u

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[hoary otter]

wait, the console buffs for Crucible trinket work in Voidspire?

[low glade]

Claude, buff rogue. Make no mistakes

[glass anvil]

what the fuck is outlaw damage on cotc

i'm doing fucking tank damage

[vivid vessel]

i did a dungeon with profiler on, per my calculations, if i had 100 fps before weak aura, it would cost me 5 fps rn

[low glade]

intended btw

[glass anvil]

4% buff btw

[low glade]

saved btw

[glass anvil]

dk get buffed whilst outperforming rogue

seems like a good idea

malding moment

[low glade]

recession indicator

[hasty warren]

juste remove rogue

[zinc briar]

same here, with 5800x and 7800xt card

in raid of 30 i cant break the combo points

outlaw is unplayable with spikes

[dim parrot]

Yeh see u boys next season gonna play my sham gl

[glass anvil]

what chance do we have to actually get a buff?

[ionic hemlock]

100% cause we get 4% across the board Tuesday

[gleaming reef]

Since when we get 4% lol

[river zenith]

Is it worth sending hero crests on the crafted belt now? I’m planning to use myth crests next week for crafted dagger? Can somebody let me know if that’s a good plan? Thanks!

[gleaming reef]

ooh

btw which items did u send u Sparks on?

I made a crafted MH but still can make 1 more item

[glass anvil]

isn't there that one ring that's absolutelty bonkers?

[crimson scarab]

I did feet as well

Ring would be my 3rd craft

[gleaming reef]

why feet tho

no good feet?

i thought feet would be tier piece

[loud blaze]

Do the designers think there’s something in the rogue kit that is SO good it would be overpowered or something?

[loud blaze]

Tier is helm, chest, shoulders, hands, legs

[hasty warren]

Blizzard don't play rogue and have no clue how it works

[glass anvil]

this checks out

[loud blaze]

Do they think if you uncap BF than outlaw would be mandatory for M+ or something?

[gaunt phoenix]

They think that true residual aoe effects should be capped

And outlaw happens to have. Only that

While some specs have a mix

[vivid vessel]

spatter isnt capped tho

and a lot of other things

[loud blaze]

I’m not sure how it’s that big a difference from a class that instead has two buttons for AOE. Outlaw, you push one button and have to keep up the rotation instead of going to a two button rotation.

[hasty warren]

at least make KS uncapped

[vivid vessel]

ks does about 0 damage

[gaunt phoenix]

Spatter isn't all of your damage though

[hasty warren]

with tuning

[vivid vessel]

br is softcapped and you gain about 2% damage going from 8 to 10 targets

[gaunt phoenix]

Is there a copy of all of your damage that isnt capped?

probably is somewhere

[lime lake]

theoretically plink

[vivid vessel]

why is nimble flurry capped

[crimson scarab]

What do you use so that the enchants and ilvls are shown like that

[lime lake]

but practically its capped by the reasonable amount of targets you can dot

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[vivid vessel]

is there a copy of all your damage that exist in the game outside of law tho

[lime lake]

its also not technically all damage either yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

Whirlwind

Sweeping strikes?

[fiery timber]

Capped or

Not sure

[gaunt phoenix]

i think the logic won't check out for the entire game but i have a feeling that was the intent

They prolly forgot their own intent by now

[vivid vessel]

ok look

i think

the only 2 abilities like that

is fury thing

and bf

but fury has uncapped sources every season

and surely its not a rule if there is onyl 2 examples in the game lol

also whirlwind is 65 % cleave i just wanna mention

kinda big numba

been looking around and cant find anything else like bf and whirlwind

also the whirwlind thing isnt even real i think its a talent

[gleaming reef]

Eh? I should Wowhead said shoulder and helm is off pieces.

[vivid vessel]

by default whirlwind isnt bf

have to talent into it

[gleaming reef]

Our :item_midnight_tier: Tier slots are Helm (vers/mastery), Shoulders (haste/mastery), Chest (crit/mastery), Hands (crit/haste), and Legs (haste/vers).
Helm or Shoulders are ideally the off-piece.

even FAQ said so

[vivid vessel]

get owned by faq noob

[gleaming reef]

oh no

[rancid silo]

Do we just press guidon off cd

[gleaming reef]

so it's Tier is helm, chest, shoulders, hands, legs?

[vivid vessel]

its hand shoulder leg head chest

[gleaming reef]

aight

that's 5

[vivid vessel]

ye

heavy mastery slots are off set

head and shoulder indeed

[gleaming reef]

So we def want legs, hands, chest.

right?

[vivid vessel]

maybe !

tier is kinda infinite rn sol

doesnt cost much to play around the slots

[gleaming reef]

True

[quaint sable]

Also doesnt effect autos.

[vivid vessel]

ye true

and its capped at 4 spell

its clearly vastly different spell

[heavy shadow]

Usually I am gearing for PvE before PvP, so catalyst wise remind me how it works. You can get in raid (or covert with catalyst) and then add the varnish item from conquest vendor right?

[icy saddle]

How much crit% are we trying to reach with outlaw ? ~24% Haste then all crit if possible ?

[thorn parrot]

You want to reach haste first 20% roughly then go for crit past that. As always sim to get a better idea of your current situation

[icy saddle]

I sim to ~55k solo target but I am quite far from this when trying to do it. I am try to find what I am doing wrong because it seems like something is odd on my gameplay. Top dps is auto then bte & dispatch. Where all good player on the spec seems to have dispatch then bte then auto 🤔

Do oyu know if there is a site like wowanalyzer that tell you what's you are doing wrong in raid/M+ ? 🤔 So far wowAnalyzer is not working with rogue outlaw

[keen belfry]

I just want us to be good in m+ man

[prisma heron]

I just hit 90 last night snd gonna do a few m0 before reset this week.

I got 2 235+ wep drops. Should I still craft weapons this week or wait till next where I get the m2 crests?

[narrow pasture]

assuming you are confident you are gonna play outlaw, you can craft main hand wep and either a ring or one of the offpiece armors with no crests, spark only

next week recraft with mythic crests

if you arent gonna do any content this week, you can directly wait for the mythic crests craft to save yourself gold

remember to set your loot specialization to sub/assa if you go with the mainhand weapon craft for outlaw, as you will be looking for a dagger drop for your offhand

[mint ether]

havoc for destro warlock is another one

[vivid vessel]

can you show

tooltip

this ?

idk it seems quite different

[mint ether]

yeah

the big difference for destro warlock is that it isn't their primary AOE

[vivid vessel]

its more like you put dots on some targets and then these specific 2 spells cleave no

[mint ether]

it's supplemental and more about split cleave

[vivid vessel]

its vaslty different tho

[mint ether]

I agree, it's different, but it is the same idea of "copy your attacks onto mutiple targets"

i'm pretty sure rain of fire is uncapped

[shadow trellis]

How are we looking for M+ O. O

[narrow pasture]

4% better

allegedly

[sterile wadi]

I think we are feeling fine in 0s, I am very often at the top of the meters but I gotta fucking min max every single moment of a dungeon when a mage can come in and have a full conversation with his girlfriend and do the same or more damage

But I think a lot changes when packs start living longer

[narrow pasture]

got about a 30k dps gap in cleave with my alt mage

its not too bad but definitely not great

[shadow trellis]

im just very worried about cleave

i hope they look into that

[sterile wadi]

Some of these classes will be doing way more damage in packs that live longer, and our tset bonus is actual cheeks compared to most classes

[balmy topaz]

This is good ye

Ty buddy

[muted hound]

What addon are you using to color CP? And are there options to show Supercharged with 0 CPs?

[gaunt phoenix]

Wangbar

[blazing field]

Hey, i was wondering. I have Sword Hero Track 1/6... if I recraft my Dagger (crafted) to max, can i upgrade my sword without using crest?

[proven warren]

What are yalls average single target DPS on a boss? This is regardless of ilvl because id like a general idea of where i should be myself outside of sims

[vivid vessel]

you need both slots

to ugrade things

on 2 hand spec

[rancid silo]

on a 2h spec no?

[vivid vessel]

if you mean the recraft exploit

that was fixed

[rancid silo]

2h or 2 hands

[vivid vessel]

2 hands

i have 2 hand

2 weapons

[rancid silo]

confusing but i understand now

[elder sonnet]

wowhead trinket tierlist isnt accurate right?

the higher tier trinkets seem to sim lower for some reason

[thorn parrot]

I was wondering how accurate bloodmallet is as well for trinket lists

[vivid vessel]

bloodmallets are sims

its fine for st

[hazy pulsar]

I’m here to cope 😌 do I have to legitimately play perfect just to hope my dps compares in my dungeon? I swear I’m doing my rotation well but even my friend on disc Priest sometimes out damages me

[balmy topaz]

You are coping

#outlaw-faq

Have you got a log?

[hazy pulsar]

I can get a log next time we play together , would I be able to get a lot for previous dungeons we’ve done?

[balmy topaz]

If you can’t see it uploaded Naa

For now

I’d just check the FAQ

@vivid vessel

You think with these amps inm+

We will use the alleria trinket?

[vivid vessel]

tf is alleria trinket

[balmy topaz]

It’s the ranger trinket

With on use

Just save it for some damage amps

Last boss in raid

[keen belfry]

Maybe but maybe not

[balmy topaz]

I’m unsure

I mean seat is 100% and angle of

Tp out and respec

[lilac crescent]

How good is the aura buff coming next patch

[vivid vessel]

4%

[balmy topaz]

No way

!!!

[lime lake]

[balmy topaz]

We’re so broken now

Gg

[livid pewter]

we can literally craft wep on 272 with hero crests for now no?
or can we get myth crests in higher m+?

nvm ... we can get em so im not upgrading wep for now with hero crests

[jolly geyser]

I wouldnt spend hero on craft

[livid pewter]

ye got it, might be a waste for next week tho

[jolly geyser]

might be getting gear left n right next week so

[prisma bramble]

Do you think there will be more adjustments for us guys? 😢

[keen belfry]

eventually ye

we are gonne bad bad this season if no more changes after tues, so id guess changes

and who knows maybe the new raid has a fight thats designed for perma uptime, random add spawn that favors flat dmg profile, but not too low target count as we suck at low target count but not too high as we only hit 8

[fiery timber]

just give me back LoU Outlaw

[mystic berry]

I think this season is over for us, at best we gonna get these nothingburger aura buffs with 0 brain tissue involved

And the real problems will be dealt when the season is over

[limpid isle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-17255567518830556345

[mystic berry]

Fr, I think claude or gemini can manage this class better than whoever is calling the shots

the one case I want AI to take over someones job

[gloomy adder]

i thought our dps simmed pretty high at high end ilvls? anyway does anyone else feel like their damage is dogshit regardless of what the sim says

[vivid vessel]

i mean you can open wcl and check st fights

it only goes down from here

[gloomy adder]

i was led to believe we scaled pretty hard but is that bullshit then

[vivid vessel]

uh

idk who told you that

[copper radish]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-898242961730413211

[vivid vessel]

scaling isnt that relevanttho but

we are not a spec that scale well

we also have one of the worse 4p

also we just naturally get worse in mythic with the way it works and peolpe getting better at sending cds at the correct timings

[gloomy adder]

oh aye never mind it must have been estimated extremely badly the updated one im looking at for 288 ilvl has outlaw correctly in the bin

mb

[vivid vessel]

i mean even if outlaw sims the highest in the game

it generally wont reflect that way in real scenario

[slender snow]

my for potential future buffs is the specific flavor text the notes are for next week's tuning; "Considering the first couple of days of data and player feedback from Season 1 play," Surely this means they will look at the results by tomorrow or Monday and reconsider more buffs come Tuesdays offical patch drop.

[gloomy adder]

its actually making me not want to play because every rogue spec is in the bin does anyone else feel like this

[vivid vessel]

there is damage amps, downtime and a lot of other things in real fight that all favor other specs damage profile

while being bad for us

[keen belfry]

i wanna play wow and genuinely every spec in the game not named outlaw is very boring so not much to be done

[mystic berry]

I find this phrase funny because they reverted DK in one day

so like, what was the data they gathered in one day?

[glass anvil]

What delve would you guys recommend? need to get to tier 10 for the ?? fight :p

[slender snow]

so true

[gloomy adder]

i liked how every rogue spec in tww played and theyve actually binned all 3 its a piss take

[keen belfry]

every spec has been binned

[gloomy adder]

new frost mage is kinda fun but like i just want to play rogue

[balmy topaz]

This season we really aren’t going to be good

With 5 damage amps in m+

[polar kelp]

just run prep

[balmy topaz]

And by not good I mean not as good as sub

[balmy topaz]

That solves nothing

[craggy quiver]

Go prep instead of sleight

Smile

[polar kelp]

yes it does lol...

[craggy quiver]

Prep sucks bro

[balmy topaz]

You think us taking prep

[craggy quiver]

I hate that button so much

[balmy topaz]

Gives us burst????

[glass mortar]

what does prep solve...

maximized prep is worth 3% dps man...

do u think this ability is giving u burst?

people think this ability is so much higher impact then it is

[fluid iron]

prep broken plz nerf

outlaw too op

[craggy quiver]

Nothing makes me smile more than prep into a dead bte that doesn't chain

[glass mortar]

it could be better then sleight sure... but ur splitting hairs between probably ~1% dps or a rounding error on ur dungeon overall idk

itll let u have double ARs on some important packs i guess for ur damage profile

its certainly not burst tho

[polar kelp]

how is having 20% more damage on amp windows not burst

[glass mortar]

because its a smaller gain then what basically anyone else in the game gets when they line up with those amps so we treat it like a higher sustain period

i mean like, did u consider crackshot windows to be burst?

because ur damage profile was elevated to about the same degree during a crackshot window

as u are during AR now

[balmy topaz]

[glass mortar]

u could say its semantics i guess, its just increasing ur sustain to too small a degree for most of us to call it burst

u are of course doing more damage during a damage amp window which is good. its just not enough to help make up for how other specs CDs can abuse those windows

[vivid vessel]

can you tell me

where adr is up

or not

in this graph

[polar kelp]

didnt use adr at all, you played sub

got him

[glass mortar]

GOTTEM

[vivid vessel]

nah im outlaw

[frail veldt]

LOL

[glass mortar]

but yea no i mean i understand tbf when u read menancing

it does look like its a talent meant to make AR more of a sharp increase

[frail veldt]

people when theyre like "I CAN FEEL THE ADR DAMAGE"

[glass mortar]

that just never ends up being the case for law

it reads like it should be

[frail veldt]

you could do less dps in adr

than outside of adr with bte resets

and better roll stage

like

[craggy quiver]

I feel younger every time I press adr

[frail veldt]

adr is piss

[glass mortar]

now if blizzard ever does a lower damage amp, prolonged amp phase

and u can use prep to get back to back ARs in that

that could be something funny

but blizzard almost never does this

damage amps are always "boss takes 100000% increased damage for 12 seconds"

or some duration that matches most specs major cds pretty well

[near rock]

u can tell here

[vivid vessel]

even if you did more inside adr

its not much

compared to real specs

and another point is

its up so often its likely to be up during amp

2 adr would be value but thats too long

for any damage amp

[glass mortar]

yea thats the really stinky part about prep

if ur using it to "guarentee" an AR during a damage amp

instead of maximizing casts

some pulls ur AR is just naturally gunna line up with the amp due to rng cdr

and then u basically just... lost a use of prep over the fight

because u wanted to use it as a tool for more useful damage pattern

but u got good rng

2 charges AR when

[vivid vessel]

this is a real spec pressing cds

[glass mortar]

its actually funny the ways this outlaw can suffer from success

people getting sick ass BtE chains in the opener with prep and not applying SnD for 20 seconds because they didnt open with dispatch

[near rock]

i don't think anyone is arguing that sub has substantially less burst than outlaw bro

oops

I meant

there we go

[vivid vessel]

ok but

[near rock]

you don't play outlaw to burst, u never will

[vivid vessel]

where was adr up

[near rock]

it has its place

[vivid vessel]

this one funny actually

[quaint wharf]

1:15!!

[vivid vessel]

this an adr btw

the valley

bottomless pit

tho i assume he just lost uptime

but its hwatever

point is

its outlaw

if you are acting like prep is gonna help you in a real way on damage amps

you are kinda delulu

i cant believe this tier is one of the best 2 target cleave tier

and we lost pc right before

i swear its intentional bro

keep the law at the bottom

!

[prisma bramble]

We should be annoying like DKs were and get our buffs!

[cinder relic]

Dk bad for 30 hours: QUICK WE NEED A HOTFIX 25% BUFF

[polar kelp]

but....we got 4%...

up to the top we go

[grim spear]

[vocal furnace]

have any of you guys killed nullaeus on ?? difficulty yet?

[prisma bramble]

Do you think we can compare to Fury with this buff now? 🥲

[vivid vessel]

waht

no

we cant even compare to arms

[slim hare]

legit arms is more useful than us

they got buff + utility

we got less dmg

[prisma bramble]

maan im thorn between playing fury or outlaw and i want to pick outlaw so badly im trying to hang on on anything
and i know its play whatever you like, but i also like not to sweat

[slim hare]

worse dmg profile

no utility

worse buff

[vivid vessel]

outlaw will be the worse rogue spec in mythic

you can quote me on that if im wrong

[frail veldt]

the only spec in the game where getting good rng can hurt you

😄

[vivid vessel]

fury look quite strong

[slim hare]

like when will it be too much for blizzard to realize it suck really hard

[prisma bramble]

im thinking that as well, from being most hyped on in prepatch to the shittiest one

[vivid vessel]

your fault for being hyped

real ones knew

its a sub tier

[prisma bramble]

i agree

[vivid vessel]

always was

always will be

[slim hare]

give us pc back + 10% aura buff

and we are probably not good enough to be stack in rwf

or meta in M+

while still having no utility or any kind

[prisma bramble]

I would accept being if medium, but tbh I struggle in dungeons.

While with fury its so forgivable

pulling damage out of my ass

[vivid vessel]

i doubt we survive keys this expac wiht 30% bf

outlaw will prolly be the worse its ever been for keys

[prisma bramble]

even with priest im having 120k pulls while miracle has to happen with resets on BtE to pull 100k+ on law

[vivid vessel]

i mean we will do more st than in s3 tww

i guess you can cope about that

[slim hare]

wtf i often do more than 100k with no set

[prisma bramble]

what ilvl?

[slim hare]

252-254

teammate didnt burst super hard tho

[prisma bramble]

I mean, I'm 245 and I really need stable pack to pull it. On dummys im doing even 115-120

[slim hare]

115 125 on dummy

any pack with 8+ target should be 100k + in dungeon

just have to tricks and hit early enough

also depends what kind of hast you have

i have the 25%

[prisma bramble]

Yeah that might be a bigger factor, im at 13%

[slim hare]

ho

dont look anywhere else

thats why

[craggy barn]

zac

do u know the haste value we want on sheet

was it like 800 someshit or more

[vivid vessel]

no clue

25% bro

[craggy barn]

on sheet?

or 21 on sheet

[vivid vessel]

25% when you open the char pannel

idk bro

[slim hare]

21 works if no buff

flask + oil is enough i believe

[vivid vessel]

what kind of questions are you guys asking

press flask

[cinder relic]

25% isnt exactly like, correct either btw

My rogue has like, 21-23% sheet haste

and crit flask is better than haste flask

[vivid vessel]

gg

just sim

[cinder relic]

and crit is like, 13dpp and haste and vers are around 11dpp

so like

[slim hare]

ff didnt sim crit flask yet

[cinder relic]

25% is not a hard rule

[vivid vessel]

zomb hitting me with the noob questions rn

[craggy barn]

im noob rog this season zac

[vivid vessel]

zomb

[craggy barn]

im bdk main in raid rn

[vivid vessel]

how much haste on my sub guy

[slim hare]

ill do that tomorrow. i have too much to do between when i get back and raid 😢

[craggy barn]

18 fuck if i know

[slim hare]

684

for sub

[vivid vessel]

my sub guy simming 10k under my outlaw

guess what im gonna play on last boss tomrrow

[craggy barn]

sin

[slim hare]

7.4sec dance = 684 haste

[vivid vessel]

no

[craggy barn]

havoc?

well spill it

the tension!

[slim hare]

https://tenor.com/view/the-tension-is-tensioning-jewels-sparkles-rupaul's-drag-race-the-atmosphere-is-tense-the-tension-is-rising-gif-15526540866906220077

[pure folio]

700~ for trickster

[craggy barn]

id know everything if i was maining rog this season

frfr

[random stirrup]

Assassination

[vivid vessel]

why is there not a "upgrade gear to equipped level" on droptimizer

isnt it what you wanan do

99% of times

[craggy barn]

is there no checkbox

i thought there was

[vivid vessel]

no

its the opposite

[craggy barn]

ah

[vivid vessel]

like i have no way to run a droptimizer rn that tells me which things i should get easely lol

idk

its stupid

am i stupid

i dont get it

[craggy barn]

go complain in their discord or whatever

big feedback

[vivid vessel]

has dropmtizer always been useless

[random stirrup]

Does outlaw also need to top gear all potential upgrades because having slightly wrong haste will turn a 1% upgrade into a 0.2%?

[vivid vessel]

yes but no

but

thats not even what i want to do rn

[random stirrup]

ya I know droptimizer blows

[vivid vessel]

i just wanna see whch dungeon gives me gear that is good

[random stirrup]

It’s kinda useless

[vivid vessel]

which i cannot do with droptimizer?

cause its either i sim with a set upgrade

i have a diff ilvl on every slot

or i sim highest upgrade and it will show as a gain on every slot

am i missing something

[left jay]

this looks good, is it? 🙏 😊

[honest lotus]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[keen belfry]

zac have u hit the 5 target dummies

im p sure we dont want to press bf on cd in certain target counts, but also unsure how realistic 5 target perma combat is

[unkempt dew]

We are not meta?

[keen belfry]

there is no meta so no one iis meta rn

[vivid vessel]

where

let me check outlaw boss this tier

hm i see

[fair ore]

Is MM doing that much because of the no crit build?

[vivid vessel]

fuck if i know bro

they do be pressing buttons

[random stirrup]

some bugged interaction

[fair ore]

Really

[tired rune]

😂

[random stirrup]

that's what our hunters tell me

[vivid vessel]

Curious how everytime it's a bug

Sure thing bud

I trust hunter players

Guys don't nerf hunter it's just a bug

Trust me

Sub to my onlyfan for more sims

[random stirrup]

now that buffs have been announced 1 second ago, we found a bug in the sims costing us 25% dps so we are now simming 40% above number 2, thank you for your assistance!

[fair ore]

Glad to see my stats are getting better just getting f’d over with mythic 0 drops

[keen belfry]

i forgot about raid buffs

imagine having all the raid buffs and thats what our cleave looks like

now u join a pug with no shaman or warr 😮

[vivid vessel]

i wonder if even if hunter is bad

you take 3 on paladinx

cause raid buff

luckely hunter is god tier for some reason so you just take 10 instead

[rocky canopy]

surely a 30% nerf is enough

surely

[frail veldt]

just wait til we get 4% stronger

were gona POP OFF

outlaw tier!

[placid ocean]

The doomering here is immense

[frail veldt]

why would we doom

outlaws the best rogue spec

[fiery timber]

Cause its shit

[gusty pagoda]

Guys rogue is a hybrid class so obviously you shouldn't expect it to do the same kind of damage that pure dps classes like mage, hunter and lock do

[frail veldt]

were literally about to get a 4% buff

[umbral verge]

link?

[vivid vessel]

easy to say when sub has been the meta rogue spec in raid every tier for the past 3 expac

[frail veldt]

gona be stacking outlaws like crazy

its a cleave raid

[placid ocean]

I havent played since shadowlands, and I'm currently playing outlaw 🙂

[vivid vessel]

good for you

i hope you enjoy

[elder sonnet]

bring back combat

serious question tho for the guys here, would you prefer combat or outlaw?

[placid ocean]

Now that outlaw has less rng, probably outlaw.

Blizzard just needs to stop being cowards and add 1h pistols

[gusty pagoda]

And hunters should get AR-15's

[placid ocean]

Hunters should get deleted

[gusty pagoda]

Hunters and ret paladins gotta go to increase the average IQ of the playerbase

[glass mortar]

It's hard to take the question seriously we joke about falling asleep playing other specs but combat, even its most modern form, is more boring then most modern specs

The game has advanced quite a bit since those days

Outlaw is basically everything combat was but better

[vapid void]

is it possible to run 2 1h swords?

or is it only 1 and 1

[placid ocean]

What

[frail veldt]

its possible

a sword is about a 1% dps loss in the offhand compared to a dagger

given theyre the same ilvl/stats

[vivid vessel]

(bout 30 ilvl)

so

[frail veldt]

yeah offhand ilvl is not that valuable

its 1%

[vivid vessel]

Like yes you can

But also if you stumble on a random dagger on the ground

Just equip it

Even if it's blue

Know what I mean

[brave lagoon]

I'll switch loot spec for a dagger then promptly forget about it for weeks until I wonder why I haven't looted a single 1h in vault

[raw dome]

yall ever think wowdevs peruse simulation craft for tuning? and if so, why the FUCK does outlaw only have a .13% uptime on 1 buff RTB

[quartz magnet]

@vivid vessel is it still possible to make a “change loot spec” reminder wa for dungeons or does the api fuck it up?

Or any other reminder like you did in tww

[glass anvil]

what is it again that we do for ??

trickster and just tricks on valeerya?

[frail veldt]

yeah ofc

[past falcon]

healer valeera yes

[frail veldt]

I thought they nerfed that

and she just dies now

[vivid vessel]

yes

[vivid vessel]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[vivid vessel]

techbnically its pre dungeon you can do whatever the fuck you ever want to

same as before

[shy sandal]

what are u guys crafting for 2nd item

[glass anvil]

she indeed just dies :(&

feels like that boss is near impossible

[quartz magnet]

Okay sweet. Thought there might be some fuckery blizz would have done to make stuff like that not work

[vapid void]

we getting buffed next week?

[brave lagoon]

holy fuck these cdm addons are so aids

[cinder relic]

They for sure don't

Cuz simcraft isn't useful for how good a spec is

Outlaw also has really low uptime of 1 buff because with proper play u can basically never see 1 buff

[vivid vessel]

they for sure just look at wcl overall boss statistic tho :D

[keen belfry]

yes

[muted hound]

Do we have an addon that makes it easier to disquinguish the RtB buff from Tier 1 to Tier 2+?

[vivid vessel]

do you not track the icon?

[formal thunder]

aren't the icons different enough?

[vivid vessel]

its pretty clear

they are differnet colors + there is a different number of dices on them

[slim hare]

i track it as bar

its named and everything

can't mistake on for another

[gaunt phoenix]

[formal thunder]

looking at rtb1 makes me physically umcomfortable

[vivid vessel]

same

[past falcon]

same

[vivid vessel]

its so ugly

[past falcon]

bad juju

[loud blaze]

I turned on the buff tracker in the base UI to make a bar, it’s really easy to tell that way.

[vivid vessel]

but with a bar you have to read the name

instead of looking at an icon

icons are way clearer

its legit number of dices + colors

idk how you can make it clearer than an icon

[final pagoda]

eyes of the eagle enchant simbait?

not suggested in wowhead but it sims the highest

[patent mirage]

they forgot about deadly pursuit for sure

this talent cant be real

[gaunt phoenix]

The crit dmg is good

[vivid vessel]

i thikn its just the work of someone very inexperienced about outlaw

i also have it from solid sources that its not realz working on outlaw stuffs so

it make sense right

just a new dev

being clueless

expected i guess

it is what it is

[graceful prism]

Should I use dispatch when at 5+ cp and both ar and bte are off cd? And after that ar->bte?

[nova sinew]

Are they doing the whole class or

[vivid vessel]

idk

[nova sinew]

That’s how it seems rn

[gilded lynx]

I have a question, what do you guys think about this trinket, just got it out of a bountiful tier 8 delve, although it has no information anywhere, is it good/is it bad compared to others at the similar ilevel, thanks

[vivid vessel]

pretty sure realz worked on the other specs

he has been active in sub channel

[livid pewter]

if u have snd buff up i would say no, if u dont have snd press dispatch ye

[glass anvil]

genuinely thinking of swapping outlaw. I love the spec to bits but it's just godawful atm. What class do you guys think would some what match it?

[sullen wyvern]

fury?

[loud blaze]

Outlaw is the best. It has a grappling hook.

[livid pewter]

if you love it, you wouldnt swap

[keen belfry]

solo i can thit the dummies for 3 minutes without going full energy cucked

[graceful prism]

But then I would have to use the supercharged cps for dispatch 🤔

[glass anvil]

I do but it sucks trying to optimize everything and still being at the bottom of the list

[keen belfry]

there has to be something we can do!

[livid pewter]

why? u can just use dispatch and follow with adr+bte

[graceful prism]

That's what I asked and you said no

[sullen wyvern]

Let's close the outlaw channel until they fix the spec! That'll show em

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[graceful prism]

Thanks

[livid pewter]

think u still should use it since its a waste of cp if u dont

[gaunt phoenix]

The point is bte is ready but you are choosing to dispatch instead so the bte can be supercharged

[graceful prism]

That's what I meant

So it's better to dispatch to get to low cps -> ar->bte, got it

[keen belfry]

they stealh nerfed our energy me thinks

they took it out back

and reduced it by 4% on accident

[vivid vessel]

nice energy at the end there lil bro

[keen belfry]

this keeps happening

i literally cant do 5 target sustain for 3 minutes

[vivid vessel]

ye no shit

you run out of tea bro