Are there going to be anymore tuning next week or is the next one 12.0.5?
#outlaw
river maple
upper hawk
isn't it less procs unless you start putting 2 points into it?
vivid vessel
yes but we are forced to put 2 points into it
merry crater
hello gamers am I smoking crack or did they change the audio balance for all of outlaws gunshots sometime between now and mid TWW?
vivid vessel
does come at the cost of another talent tho so
merry crater
They all seem incredibly low audio compared to all my other rogue sfx
vivid vessel
i havent paid much attention but its possible
they changed some gun stuffs
bte has a projectile now for example
merry crater
Blade flurry is like 4x the volume of BtE I haven't played Outlaw since mid TWW and I feel like I am taking crazy pills
vivid vessel
so going from 5% to 6% makes it worth dropping something else to get it?
its not going from 5 to 6
its going from 5 to 3
to 6
you dont really have a choice
ace is quite strong
narrow pasture
its per combo point
vivid vessel
yes we are talking per cp obviously
vivid vessel
Blade flurry is like 4x the volume of BtE I haven't played Outlaw since mid TWW ...
idk doesnt feel like it to me
seems fine
frail veldt
is 6% 4cp for 2pts worse than 5% 2cp for 1 pt
vivid vessel
prolly
frail veldt
lol
frail veldt
yeah im leaning towards yes
which means this will likely be a damage nerf
at least to me it seems that way
probably minor like 1-2%
narrow pasture
itll depend on your rtb no?
frail veldt
itll depend on your rtb no?
when I refer to damage nerf im referring to overall
across thousands of iterations
frail veldt
we'll just need to sim
narrow pasture
best above 90th percentile lets goooo
upper hawk
what's the difference between average and very average
vivid vessel
what's the difference between average and very average
its bottom
guy just doesnt like saying that
i can translate for you tho
narrow pasture
my guild hasnt decided on the rogue spot in prog yet
vivid vessel
well you need one
narrow pasture
im trying to convince them on atro
vivid vessel
or so poeple think
narrow pasture
its a huge psyop campaign
narrow pasture
thats what i'm banking on as well
cinder relic
Oof its gotten worse
upper hawk
the other bottoms at least have options
sterile wadi
WERE GETTING BUFFS BOYS
vivid vessel
also
you saw it here first
i said it was a dogshit outlaw boss
and a good sub boss
people didnt believe me
sorry that was boss damage, here same
narrow pasture
wrong prep usage
cinder relic
I think assa is gonna be better on that boss tbqh
narrow pasture
cope
vivid vessel
for the people that will tell me you need cleave or whatever
vivid vessel
I think assa is gonna be better on that boss tbqh
maybe
cinder relic
I think P3 is gonna be the check
vivid vessel
byut the timers are better for sub in hc
cinder relic
and Sin beats P3
cinder relic
for right now*
vivid vessel
or well
vivid vessel
when i watched liquid in normal
it aligned better
idk if its different
timer wise
upper hawk
that chart is based on one outlaw parse though
vivid vessel
in hc and mythic
upper hawk
so
vivid vessel
frail veldt
Hey at least outlaw has a strong tier and scales really well with secondaries
frail veldt
I think we could only possibly go up from here
vivid vessel
its just one parse
frail veldt
Tbh
vivid vessel
:D
people dont know
i know how outlaw works
and having 2x 1min downtime phases
is not good for outlaw
who could have known !
frail veldt
who could have known !
idk thats pretty complex
vivid vessel
idk
for some reason
people told me i was wrong
??
outlaw is unplayable on the boss wiht infintie downtime ??
no waeee
fervent garden
looks like my first alt to lev up will be my SP. holy crap.
upper hawk
i've only done it on normal, and you're linking damage to bosses only
and while it's bottom, there will always be a bottom it' snot atrociously bad compared to most specs
but those at the top
but i get it. while we sit there staring at her for a minute during intermission, my raid leader lets me sing the "this part of the fight is called fuck outlaw in particular" song
vivid vessel
i've only done it on normal, and you're linking damage to bosses only
i linked both lol
cause i knwe you guys would do that
radiant wyvern
pad dmg on the little droplets in first phase doesnt really mean anything
vivid vessel
and while it's bottom, there will always be a bottom it' snot atrociously bad co...
also wdym its not atrociously bad compared to most specs
radiant wyvern
theres infinite until you kill the void guys
vivid vessel
and why does it always have to be outlaw bottom on important bosses xd?
its the same every tier btw
frail veldt
and why does it always have to be outlaw bottom on important bosses xd?
because its designed poorly for their fights
the way they like to design final fights usually has downtime or big movement and flashy "phases"
vivid vessel
doesnt need to tho
radiant wyvern
outlaw is never gonna work properly for encounter design like blizz loves to do
vivid vessel
also i dont even get why this boss has downtime
its legit just an afk phase
with boss in front of you
its silly
frail veldt
they like those
vivid vessel
ye but there is no point this time
keen belfry
do u guys wanna know what boss fucking blows
chimmamyereus
that intermission is ulgrax levels of bad
vivid vessel
guys
how illegal would it be
do do m0 and leave after 2nd boss
i think i need to start doing that but im not a bad guy i swear ..
keen belfry
doodoo m0
bright lodge
also i dont even get why this boss has downtime
What about that node that helps with downtime? Doesn't really help does it?
normal violet
i think i need to start doing that but im not a bad guy i swear ..
Reported
normal forge
wheres the friday buff?
vivid vessel
What about that node that helps with downtime? Doesn't really help does it?
its not designed to help with downtime
idk who made that node
completlyu clueless
keen belfry
it probably needs like a 500% buff right?
mystic berry
wheres the friday buff?
soon
vivid vessel
it needs to be reworked and ssay "Adr gain an additional charge"
thats what it needs
to work for downtime
normal forge
gz
keen belfry
was a good look tho
vivid vessel
wtf
vivid vessel
you sent it to narnia
grim spear
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048716096217284653/1447729365684326453/M...
rogue designer playing lol
keen belfry
quaint mauve
zac
i hope like
idk what’s like an inconvenience to french people
i hope the next baguette you get is stale
vivid vessel
D:
balmy topaz
I am sick of maintaining BF
Can’t we have a talent that like
We gain 0.5 sec of BF for each CP spent
fair iron
eternal recurrence of the same
winged inlet
Ace Up Your Sleeve proc do i use it immediately or i builld 6 cp and than?
balmy topaz
Ace Up Your Sleeve proc do i use it immediately or i builld 6 cp and than?
Build to 6
lean flax
why is the vessel of tortured souls simming so highly on bloodmallet, is it actually worth using
quaint mauve
I am sick of maintaining BF
why can’t we just have what sub has
they literally have bf
basically
fair charm
why is the vessel of tortured souls simming so highly on bloodmallet, is it actu...
I mean if you can collect all those tiny green balls in the mess that is blue spell casting, you can rock it.
fair spade
lol sub has like no cleave
2 target cleave literally doesn't exist outside of your supercharged eviscerates
lime lake
fair spade
The trickster ability the evolves your eviscerate is what I meant, I don't remember the name of the actual ability
vivid vessel
2 target cleave literally doesn't exist outside of your supercharged eviscerates
and ye it almost has the same 2 target cleave as outalw and assa
i mean once it get 4p its prollly the same
sick prawn
I'm not home, would anyone be able to see if/confirm if this works for outlaw https://youtu.be/A0nrrkI2f38?si=uQp7MFDBnGnxmvr1
fair spade
lol fair, rogue class designers are doing outlaw dirty
fathom bramble
Well yeah sub has almost no 2 target cleave and we just have really bad 2 target cleave
Bf nerfs and no pc has left us kind of bad at any count that isn’t 7-8 or 1
jolly geyser
I'm not home, would anyone be able to see if/confirm if this works for outlaw ht...
gonna try, I usually run around the bend and the grapple to top
vivid vessel
you are meant to tell me that nerfing bc and removing pc had an impact on outlaw cleave ??
jolly geyser
or if I have 2 hooks its whatever
vivid vessel
aint no way
outlaw is now one of the worse cleave spec in the game ?
after we reduced bf from 50 to 30 ?
aint no way
no but you dont understand
when we aura buff the spec by 10% we need to remove 10% from bf
it make sense
thats how it works
dw about it
@fathom bramble
can you believe
that
we actually removed another niche of outalw
if you take current outlaw
put it in tww s3
we arent even good on council
vivid vessel
am i wrong tho
cinder relic
Buff rogue
vivid vessel
its not about tuning tho
fathom bramble
we actually removed another niche of outalw
It is what it is
hasty warren
rogue still exists ?
fathom bramble
Maybe they buff bf back up
But without pc idk how they can ever make us good on 2-3 without being keystone gods
mystic berry
How many hours until buff notes again?
vivid vessel
you cant just remove an outlaw niche per expansion
and never improve on its damage profile
while every other spec in the game does
and just call it unlucky tuning
every tier
vivid vessel
But without pc idk how they can ever make us good on 2-3 without being keystone ...
i mean bro
frail veldt
But without pc idk how they can ever make us good on 2-3 without being keystone ...
they cant
vivid vessel
outlaw has not done real aoe in keys forever
polar kelp
We doin 2pt in ace now?
vivid vessel
only time it was good aoe was when we were bug fixed
frail veldt
the removal of PC will probably leave outlaw in a fucked state indefinitely
vivid vessel
until giga nerf right after cause that was an accident
vivid vessel
the removal of PC will probably leave outlaw in a fucked state indefinitely
pc was fucked tho
frail veldt
its kinda impossible to balance now
vivid vessel
it needed to be removed
frail veldt
either they balance around our target cap
frail veldt
pc was fucked tho
it was poorly managed
vivid vessel
than pc bf
vivid vessel
why do you think pc bf is easier to tune
frail veldt
if youre gona leave a spec target capped like outlaw
vivid vessel
it makes bf so bonkers in low target cleave its impossible to look normal
frail veldt
why do you think pc bf is easier to tune
more knobs is usually easier
frail veldt
it makes bf so bonkers in low target cleave its impossible to look normal
thats cuz pc was overtuned
vivid vessel
nah idk i disagree
frail veldt
and the idiots over there tried to fix it by nerfing bf
well how would you even balance it now
how can we be good on 3 target
without being GIGA at 8 target
like its literally impossible with the current setup
fathom bramble
Pc gave them the ability to actually tune is at diff counts with very simple math
vivid vessel
we are as bad on 3 target than we are on 8 tho ?
frail veldt
Pc gave them the ability to actually tune is at diff counts with very simple mat...
literally this
polar kelp
Just have a scaling buff like disc priest.....damage scaled based on target....oh wait that was PC...lol
vivid vessel
do we scale with more targets ?
frail veldt
if we were top tier at 3 target WITHOUT pc
then what would we be at 8 target
we scale linearly with target count from 3 to 8
keen belfry
me when outlaw is the king of cleave
nah bruh a terrible 3 target cleave spec thats hard capped at 8? actual fried
vivid vessel
every target is the same damage added
prisma lantern
we literally scale
Mm doesn't though?
vivid vessel
plenty of specs just get more damage
frail veldt
Mm doesn't though?
mm doesnt what
cinder relic
Did not a similar group of people not complain that PC made the spec awful to balance because of how good it was at raid cleave, vs dfungeon cleave
I swear to god it was mewo and zac complaining the literal EXACT opposite last expac
vivid vessel
that was me
frail veldt
Did not a similar group of people not complain that PC made the spec awful to ba...
it led the dummies at blizz to do dummy things
vivid vessel
no
prisma lantern
Scale on target counts?
frail veldt
I think PC was an important thing they SHOULD HAVE used correctly to balance outlaw
vivid vessel
i said pc was bad, and i still stand by that
fathom bramble
The issues with pc should have been fixed by changing how it worked
Not deleting it
keen belfry
its a bit more nuanced than us saying pc is hard to balance so why do we hate that its gone
vivid vessel
i think pc was just bad for outlaw
it made it looks crazy in raid cleave
and blizzard cant tune around that
keen belfry
its quite hard to balance
hasty warren
btw whu there is not two tuning for PvE ? for raid and m+
keen belfry
how can u possibly be hard capped at 8 targets and bad at low target cleave
wooden pilot
daily zac rant
ritual
frail veldt
and were still not even good at our target cap haha
keen belfry
thats actually an insane sentence
frail veldt
so
unkempt dew
What is “pc”?
hasty warren
What is “pc”?
Precise Cut
frail veldt
how can u possibly be hard capped at 8 targets and bad at low target cleave
even if we were "good" at 8 we still might not be good at 3 lol
hasty warren
former Talent
unkempt dew
Aah thanks!
vivid vessel
how can u possibly be hard capped at 8 targets and bad at low target cleave
only target capped spec in the game btw
unkempt dew
Nice
frail veldt
its okay cuz its an outlaw tier
unkempt dew
Haha marksman hunters are having a great time i see
vivid vessel
they always have stuffs that arent
that are a significant part of their breakdown
every tier
its something dff tho
idk what it is rn
havent checked
vivid vessel
even if we were "good" at 8 we still might not be good at 3 lol
but we would be better
im sure having a 50% flurry
wouldnt break the game rn
especially when you are target capped
unkempt dew
Atleast we are having fun right?
lean flax
I mean I think it's pretty clear outlaw is undertuned, question is how to fix
fair spade
Can't they just let SuperGrok balance rogue at this point? It's clear the rogue designer just puts no effort in for like 4 expansions now lol
keen belfry
isn't fury or arms or something target capped too?
not really
fathom bramble
havent checked
rampage cleave isn't even hardcapped anymore
unkempt dew
I mean I think it's pretty clear outlaw is undertuned, question is how to fix
Not sure if Blizz agrees
lean flax
rampage cleave isn't even hardcapped anymore
wait it isn't?
vivid vessel
no clue what rampage is
unkempt smelt
Vessel of Tortured Souls is bis?
lean flax
woooowwww thats what i was thinking of being hardcapped
fair spade
Vessel of Tortured Souls is bis?
If you run around and pick up all the little orbs it drops sure
lean flax
was that changed in midnight
frail veldt
but we would be better
we would be better for sure yeah
fathom bramble
was that changed in midnight
yes
fossil lintel
Vessel of Tortured Souls is bis?
I mean, you can get your own soul back, why wouldn't it be bis?
vivid vessel
soft at 5 is basically worse than hard at 8
unkempt dew
But what does blizzard say about the hard cap?
frail veldt
woooowwww thats what i was thinking of being hardcapped
yeah wars like to spread this false narrative that theyre target capped
prisma lantern
Vessel of Tortured Souls is bis?
Kinda sim bait. Assumes you pick up all the orbs.
frail veldt
cuz they dont actually know what a hard cap is
but its literally just them lying to your face
fathom bramble
soft at 5 is basically worse than hard at 8
I mean when it comes to gaining damage on these big pulls soft at 5 is just better
vivid vessel
i mean if it goes from 5 hard cap to 5 soft cap
frail veldt
soft at 5 is basically worse than hard at 8
eeeeh it can be
vivid vessel
sure
frail veldt
for ww it is
vivid vessel
its free
frail veldt
but for fury its not
fair spade
Kinda sim bait. Assumes you pick up all the orbs.
And those orbs are not easy to see during a raid boss
vivid vessel
but for fury its not
what
why would it be different for certain stuffs than other
its just how it is no?
lean flax
And those orbs are not easy to see during a raid boss
that's what I was looking at, tbh i never noticed the orbs until recently
i thought it was just passive
frail veldt
cuz its what percent of their damage comes from those softcapped 5 abilities
prisma lantern
And those orbs are not easy to see during a raid boss
Nothing's easy to see during the raid.
Purple on purple in purple. 💤
vivid vessel
but that ability would just do more damage in almost every scneario if it was harcapped at 8 ?
vivid vessel
fury has had uncapped and softcapp at 8 litteraly every tier
lean flax
they should've just made the vessel function like antennae did and have the orbs float towards you
oh well
vivid vessel
i cant check beta logs anymore so
frail veldt
I think it would depend on the dungeon and the pulls/routes whether soft cap 5 is better or worse than hardcap 8
vivid vessel
i cant show you
frail veldt
sometimes one wins sometimes the other does
vivid vessel
soft cap at 5 litteraly need like 15 targets or smth
its legit dog
is it better than hardcap at 8 on first pull academy? ye prolly
is it worse on every other pull of every other dungeon
ye
lean flax
I feel like there are specific pulls you can point to that feel bad for outlaw hard cap but in general a lot of pulls aren't really going too far beyond 8 targets outside of top end groups right?
frail veldt
I feel like there are specific pulls you can point to that feel bad for outlaw h...
yeah thats the main issue
vivid vessel
i mean thats the main reason it should be softcapped at 8 lol
frail veldt
outlaw tends to kinda overperform in lower keys
vivid vessel
its irrelevant for 90% of things it would barely even impact tuning
frail veldt
yeah if we are soft capped
vivid vessel
but then you get to high keys and outlaw can be unplayable in some keys
cause of target cap
vivid vessel
outlaw tends to kinda overperform in lower keys
thats not cause of the way we do aoe tho
its cause of no cds
im sorry but
frail veldt
thats not cause of the way we do aoe tho
its a combination
vivid vessel
its legit night and day
lean flax
Yeah I mean in general would seem to be better than the current situation where you have to make outlaw extremely overtuned at 8 targets or less to be competitive since its hardcapped
fathom bramble
idk we lost a lot of the things that I would credit for us doing so well in low keys
we have ramp time now
frail veldt
idk we lost a lot of the things that I would credit for us doing so well in low ...
also true
fathom bramble
pc is gone
lean flax
except we're not overtuned so we're just bad now lol
fathom bramble
we actually do have cooldown now they are just up a lot
and BF isn't tuned to the moon to help us be good in raid style cleave in this particular tier
frail veldt
could honestly argue our cooldown is like too long for low keys
frail veldt
and BF isn't tuned to the moon to help us be good in raid style cleave in this p...
i wonder if they buff BR instead of up BF lol
that would be funny
at some point
if BR is enough of our aoe
fathom bramble
like a lot of the value of that BTE cast you just did is in the buff it applied to your character
fathom bramble
where is that buff going when the pack ends in 4 seconds
frail veldt
theyd have to go crazy with it though
fathom bramble
I'm not really expecting a "Blade rush now deals 125% more damage" patchnote
vivid vessel
what ramp time
you dont even press snd in keys
i press bf adr bte gg
ramp over
2 gcd
lean flax
aren't you supposed to SnD before the key starts
vivid vessel
ye in bubble
lean flax
AR SnD during bubble
fathom bramble
between BTE and our AA stacks I am convinced we have more ramp time than a ton of other specs
no one is applying 7 dots anymore
vivid vessel
acro stack instantly
fathom bramble
they are hitting 1 aoe enabler and blasting
fathom bramble
at the very least our historically low ramp time isn't an advantage when most specs have similarly low ramp time now
vivid vessel
they are hitting 1 aoe enabler and blasting
we do the same to me
fathom bramble
I think you are underestimating the impact BTE has on the equation
vivid vessel
sure we might not be particularly more frontloaded than any other
fathom bramble
especially since you are so often left with the choice between casting it towards the end of a pack and wasting it
or holding it and doing less damage
vivid vessel
I think you are underestimating the impact BTE has on the equation
idk bte buff doesnt last long and its not garanted to proc
for me its more like
fathom bramble
going into a new pack you may not have BTE at all
light kernel
what 2 trinkets should i have if i wont do any raid this season
vivid vessel
a short damage window that stacks
and like
you get it instantly on pull, sometimes you go high
light kernel
faq says only solar
vivid vessel
i mean idk
fathom bramble
what 2 trinkets should i have if i wont do any raid this season
solar and the on use haste/crit trinket probably
but there's a few decent stat trinkets littered about that are all decent
fathom bramble
where is that haste crit trinket
wait that's not a real trinket
I only have one from doing non-seasonal M0s
vivid vessel
this is good
lean flax
after the solar
light kernel
this is good
wont be good in 1 month
fathom bramble
warbanner is good, but the effect is entirely ST and might not be that good for you if you are just not raiding
light kernel
yh
vivid vessel
who said that
light kernel
meme
vivid vessel
oh from keys
light kernel
im just looking for bis m+ trinkets basically for m+
fathom bramble
is vessel any good?
yes and no
fathom bramble
it does damage, but you must pick up orbs so
polar chasm
it is bait
fathom bramble
I seriously doubt you can get that kind of value out of it without sacrificing a ton of attention
also no WA to read the combatlog and make a noise when an orb spawns
so it's just GG
polar chasm
I could get that trinket at 280 item level and I would refuse to use it
fossil lintel
I feel like some trinkets from the past few expansions literally wouldn't work without WA
fathom bramble
if it's no vessel no raid trinkets the answer might unironically be a crafted darkmoon deck....
fossil lintel
The transmitter one would be super annoying
vivid vessel
i dont think they care about that
they never were meant to be played with wea kauaras
they were meant to be annoying
light kernel
will 1 raid boss be easy in month to pug on mythic?
light kernel
i could atleast get that 1 but will be super contested trinket
vivid vessel
will 1 raid boss be easy in month to pug on mythic?
yes
light kernel
- solar
vivid vessel
free
fossil lintel
But they made it knowing it would be played with WAs
light kernel
but i cba raiding
vivid vessel
But they made it knowing it would be played with WAs
i doubt that
the weak aura is super wonky
fossil lintel
So they made it extra annoying even with it
vivid vessel
barely of any help
fathom bramble
the item design team does some strange stuff that we may never fully understand
fathom bramble
no
vivid vessel
how did you track private auras in midnight
am i the only one that had them middle of the screen cuase its important
fossil lintel
You cancelaura raidbuffs
fathom bramble
I had them large and a little to the left
fossil lintel
Oh wait they fixed that
fathom bramble
every private aura use to be something that mattered
but I'm hearing that they made literally everything private in the new raid so
vivid vessel
yep
you have like 1/2 permanent debuff on you the whole fight
that are private aura
the one im most confused about
wait let me find it
placid ocean
they made a new trinket htat fears you after burst
Just be undead, easy fix
vivid vessel
https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/ProtectiveAbstemiousDillPastaThat-pVb3NNZyq5ditVYg @fathom bramble
fathom bramble
I got it as my delve map item
vivid vessel
in intermission of drake boss
fathom bramble
very useless
jolly geyser
should make the UD racial remove any cc
vivid vessel
everyone in the raid get a debuff when they enter the bubble
for some reason this is a private aura
i dont get it
like what could possibly be gained by making that a private aura
also it perma reapply on cd
fathom bramble
they must just be defaulting to making everything private
jolly geyser
I got it as my delve map item
I got the drum,crit proc
jolly geyser
not bad
fathom bramble
idk different raid designers must have different personal rules on what to make private
vivid vessel
ye i guess its too hard to have set rules
vivid vessel
so now you have 2 debuffs bar that you need to track in theory
fathom bramble
some people still have 6 and 9 target caps randomly
vivid vessel
and private auras have useless debuffs but also the most important debuffs
fathom bramble
uncapped stuff started getting added immediately afteer blizz removed it
that have no big book of rules anywhere
vivid vessel
and your normal debuff bar has lust debuff inside it the whole fight
:D
what are we doing
fathom bramble
either everyone should be capped or no one should be
patent mirage
that
vivid vessel
no lok you dont understand
fathom bramble
the entire goal was to mitigate the amount of mass pulling happening in keys and it just literally didn't do that
at all
vivid vessel
outlaw cant be uncapped because it would be too op
fathom bramble
remove the caps and let us do mass pulls
vivid vessel
because it does too much low target cleave
fathom bramble
or cap us all and finally remove them
patent mirage
i mean it has been a while since bfa s2 we have payed our sins way too much
fathom bramble
marks gets over double damage going from 1-2
actually insane that they printed that
placid ocean
should make the UD racial remove any cc
Kinda like how dwarf racial can remove any debuff
jolly geyser
or remove useful racials
vivid vessel
dwarf can only remove some very specific debuffs
placid ocean
it cant happen bro
What's this
vivid vessel
compared our 2 target to sub makes us look good
really?
fathom bramble
with just absurd 2 target for some reason
yeah sub gets like +14% or something
and we get +25%
that's good compared to sub
vivid vessel
this is about 7% diff
fathom bramble
but terrible compared to the rest of the game
vivid vessel
they get a 14% tier set next week
fathom bramble
I meant our scaling from 1 to 2 not necessarily the total damage inflicted
slim hare
sub cleave got destroyed so yeah 2 target suck
vivid vessel
sure
fathom bramble
sub will probably be better for the fight for reasons beyond just how well they sim on 2 targets
vivid vessel
sub cleave got destroyed so yeah 2 target suck
and yet
i like how sub players complain about how their 2 target cleave got destroyed
while we prolly lost more
we went from about 120% cleave
to 30%
btw
lapis sandal
We've had several bad years, the outlaw OTPs.
I hope they hire a new game designer for this specialization soon.
fathom bramble
TWW season 2 could have been great
if we didn't get nerfed on a friday randomly with no compensation
vivid vessel
acro 
vivid vessel
isnt there tuning tonight
balmy topaz
Would be so good
fathom bramble
in theory
fathom bramble
they usually post notes around like 4-6 hours from now
random stirrup
im betting on sub buffs
I think they will buff all 3 rogue specs
vivid vessel
i think they will buff sub more
random stirrup
and sub will come out on top as usual
balmy topaz
I hope the don’t buff sub
vivid vessel
they legit dont know
random stirrup
I think they will indeed buff sub
vivid vessel
and im convinced of that btw
fathom bramble
all 3 rogue specs will get 8%
random stirrup
Zac are you geared for this week yet
balmy topaz
As Zac says if they do it’s 
fathom bramble
sub will be the best spec in raid next week
random stirrup
What does a 260 outlaw with 4p look like
balmy topaz
all 3 rogue specs will get 8%
With outlaw BF nerf 
vivid vessel
What does a 260 outlaw with 4p look like
we did only one night of raid
so 2 5 bosses
will do valeera into nm spliuts next
i guess
balmy topaz
6 7 bosses?
random stirrup
after I spend crests and everything today my sub sim is like 78k with 4p
balmy topaz
Massive
vivid vessel
actually kinda got unlucky my raid i guess
balmy topaz
It’s cringe af
vivid vessel
i think i got attrib on everything that dropped
and thats 1 belt 1 leg
and weapons i guess
but no one cares about weapons
fathom bramble
only loot that does anything rn is tier and trinkets
balmy topaz
What gear did you get @fathom bramble
fathom bramble
everything else is just making keys a bit easier
vivid vessel
ye
fathom bramble
What gear did you get <@101843879791177728>
I raid in 5-6 hours
I only have preraid stuff still
keen belfry
@vivid vessel
balmy topaz
I raid in 5-6 hours
Fair
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194>
whatdehelly!
keen belfry
yeah nbd bro
vivid vessel
no its not i have too much to do in wow
ye you are right
i could play till end of week
but i feel like i need more time than one week you know
balmy topaz
i could play till end of week
Btw Zac
vivid vessel
if i play rn i will proll drop till i learn how to play again
keen belfry
yeah im jhust chillin on league until reset
fathom bramble
257ilvl
balmy topaz
Are you playing towards the don’t BtE if AR has less than 30 sec cd rule
balmy topaz
check out my split alt though
272 wep 
keen belfry
Are you playing towards the don’t BtE if AR has less than 30 sec cd rule
it feels good
fathom bramble
272 wep <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
must be strong for splits
keen belfry
u go into AR with massive, usually guaranteed bte reset
that shit hits hard for outlaw
balmy topaz
Ye makes sense
vivid vessel
must be strong for splits
what about mythic splits tho ..
balmy topaz
what about mythic splits tho ..
vivid vessel
i think its something to keep a mind on
fathom bramble
I mean if blizzard is fucking up the raid balance you might as well do like first 3 in splits
vivid vessel
you never know what can happen
fathom bramble
if the 4th is impossible
vivid vessel
i think its easy to do mythic split when you dont raid day 1
cause you can just watch liquid raid
and see what happen
vivid vessel
i think you can split the 1 boss raid anyway no ?
balmy topaz
Also @vivid vessel I was saying to lok earlier
Why don’t they
Just bring out ace changes
Now
Why wait for .5
vivid vessel
dont ask too much questions
balmy topaz
So they have something to give????
vivid vessel
only thing they are allowed to hotfix in is dk buffs
jolly geyser
cause they are 🥄
balmy topaz
only thing they are allowed to hotfix in is dk buffs
What’s peak tho
balmy topaz
They hotfiz blind
vivid vessel
but they will wait till .5
balmy topaz
So we don’t have it for .5
Great so now
We don’t have it
For like 6 weeks
Thanks blizzard
vivid vessel
ye true
keen belfry
holy moly BTE hitting for 220k?
balmy topaz
they did do that lol
They literally did
vivid vessel
i forgot they litteraly hotfixed blind working in aoe mid week
but they cant do the opposite
thats funny actually
balmy topaz
It’s laughable
And they have the audacity to say
“We’ve listened to rogues feedback”
placid ocean
Isn't the ace change technically a nerf?
vivid vessel
ye prolly
placid ocean
“We’ve listened to rogues feedback”
They listened, then promptly disregarded
keen belfry
how did this bte do 228k
balmy topaz
how did this bte do 228k
Dmg amp
vivid vessel
there is a damage amp
waxen scarab
when do we roll stage 2 ?
vivid vessel
bte damage is bugged awang
dont talk about it too much
sometimes it does more damage than it should
keen belfry
i know the b*g i forgot
balmy topaz
They’ll hotfiz it
keen belfry
i bet thats what happened
vivid vessel
we just
we just hide that under
no one knows
i mean we dont know when or why it happens so
balmy topaz
vivid vessel
fair play
balmy topaz
I love that one
eternal hound
Man my outlaw rogue is looking p good so far for an alt
balmy topaz
<:okay:1071849213975072889>
I’m yoinking
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble
how good is your gear tho
do you have
crit haste
on every slot
cause i almost do
fathom bramble
almost every slot
vivid vessel
banger
balmy topaz
I have 25% haste with flask now
fathom bramble
857 crit, 752 haste on my main
vivid vessel
did you guys know pit of sauron is an insane farm dungeon
balmy topaz
did you guys know pit of sauron is an insane farm dungeon
And seat
fathom bramble
pit it great
eternal hound
did you guys know pit of sauron is an insane farm dungeon
whys that
fathom bramble
dagger, neck, ring, belt
balmy topaz
Pit and seat give great gear
jolly geyser
fathom bramble
wrist
eternal hound
OH
vivid vessel
it got crit haste neck, waist, ring, dagger,wrist
balmy topaz
Wait is seat just helm
balmy topaz
Ye kinda big
fathom bramble
seat is helm and 2 okay rings
balmy topaz
Ye play fair pit is good
jolly geyser
pit is good
balmy topaz
And it’s 3 boss dungeon
eternal hound
Is pit easy too?
vivid vessel
idk its a dungoen
balmy topaz
What a awful dungeon
jolly geyser
skyreach seemed fine
vivid vessel
my alt is actually juiced
wtf
eternal hound
What a awful dungeon
is it the bird section?
vivid vessel
what kind of hacks is that
balmy topaz
is it the bird section?
It’s everything
The beam from the big guy
I vanish first one
Then if I get another I just get fucked
jolly geyser
cloak it
fathom bramble
what kind of hacks is that
jolly geyser
or vanish stuff on some ranged,hopefully
balmy topaz
True
vivid vessel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/189GtCurfVAaYHPwvAw2dr
you are goated but i think i sim higher on main now
fathom bramble
gg
balmy topaz
I do think if we get a buff
We will do decent in m+
Not meta but
Hopefully one of the best melees
eternal hound
I mean
balmy topaz
Hope they don’t omega buff sub
eternal hound
Melees are kinda shit this season anyways
fathom bramble
feels like that happens a lot of seasons 🤔
jolly geyser
"just bring ranged"
fathom bramble
I wonder if there is some inherent advantage to having 700% more range on your abilities
balmy topaz
Why bring rogue with shroud when you can bring mage with mass invis
jolly geyser
fury aint that bad
fathom bramble
the power of wasting heroic crests lol
vivid vessel
haha
fathom bramble
you would be above me if you were panda
eternal hound
Yes but having one spec being completely dead expect for literally one boss is ass
eternal hound
Espically because I'm attempting to stop being a one trick this xpack
fathom bramble
panda in this early gear sims insanely high
gaunt phoenix
Never
vivid vessel
you would be above me if you were panda
i need dwarf for keys ..
fathom bramble
unlucky
vivid vessel
especially now
not being dwarf
in keys
idk how you even survive anything
dwarf kinda cover rogue weakness
its good
fathom bramble
idk I keep saying I'll do push keys next season outlaw is good for
and then we never got another proper good season
vivid vessel
you should just find people like me
fathom bramble
so I can just not care about surviving in keys
vivid vessel
i have accepted that outlaw will always be shit
i just found people that also play specs that are always shit
:D
fathom bramble
nice
vivid vessel
like what is my brewmaster gonna do
eternal hound
Yeah I feel like this is how you have to be as a melee main general
eternal hound
90% of your classes are gonna be shit
vivid vessel
you are stuck with me
fathom bramble
it's been so long one of my most hated dungeons from when I actually pushed is back
and we are still bad for it
fathom bramble
algeth'ar
fathom bramble
I don't think pit has ever been a keystone dungeon before
balmy topaz
Remove first pack
jolly geyser
no
balmy topaz
From AA it’s okay
jolly geyser
seat was fucking awful at launch in legion
balmy topaz
Seat is fine now
jolly geyser
I was suprised we didnt get cathedral and seat in one season
tropic zephyr
Any pack that requires me to play the game of "where will the tank go" is a pack that needs to be removed
jolly geyser
healers dont like these places
balmy topaz
back then like every pull was 8-15 targets
True
fathom bramble
Any pack that requires me to play the game of "where will the tank go" is a pack...
miss theater of pain so much
we need more dungeon that are 1 straight line that the tank just pulls through
fathom bramble
sick of these fancy skips
vivid vessel
i thought i was turbo blasting the pack
but my other 2 dps were just afk
im actually trying to beat tank instead
fathom bramble
sounds about right
jolly geyser
im actually trying to beat tank instead
done any dungeon with high ilvl prot pala?
vivid vessel
i dont think so
jolly geyser
was interesting
celest cobalt
Are we expecting any more tuning before tues?
jolly geyser
surely
slim hare
lets be real, they must have rogue in the notes
just maybe not outlaw notes
vivid vessel
why woukld assa get more
random stirrup
it's assa
clear tulip
5% aura outlaw
5% aura sub
8% aura assa
this but at the end of each line they add "in pvp combat only"
vivid vessel
thats disingenuous
you have been playing the spec that has been blizzard favorite for 4 expac straight every tier
slim hare
i hope its not assa tier
slim hare
i don't want to play it
random stirrup
assa usually gets mega aurabuffed to being better after hof closes