outlaw

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

does the phial think work ibn keys

[fathom bramble]

says killing blow

[vivid vessel]

idk how these things works

[haughty wigeon]

I’ve post on some random thread

[fathom bramble]

it'll work sometimes

[glass mortar]

they do work but they r janky

[vivid vessel]

oh you need to kill the mob yourself?

[glass mortar]

they do literally mean KB

[fathom bramble]

if it was just kills that grant xp or honor itwould work in keys

[glass mortar]

now to be fair to us

[vivid vessel]

wtf

[glass mortar]

we attack very fast

[vivid vessel]

ok thats

[fathom bramble]

killing blow means you must get the last hit to get the rreset

[vivid vessel]

kinda crazy

[glass mortar]

i bet we get a fair amount of killing blows

[fathom bramble]

even valeera can probably steal it

[glass mortar]

🤷

[vivid vessel]

hm

[stuck patrol]

Killing blow requirement makes that new talent dogshit unless youre doing solo content

[vivid vessel]

i was thinking it could be a decent key talent

5% insta heal

i mena its kinda dog but

[glass mortar]

idk if it does

[vivid vessel]

better htan nothing

[cinder relic]

maybe thieves vers

[glass mortar]

i gues we'll see

[vivid vessel]

but if you need killing blow

[fathom bramble]

I mean you probably get at least 1/4th of the killing blows

if the duration on

[glass mortar]

its hard for me to imagine ur not getting at least a quarter of them yea

[fathom bramble]

it is high you will get some value

[glass mortar]

with how quickly we attack

[vivid vessel]

yeye you are right

[glass mortar]

especially since other classes tend to stop pressing any big buttons when guys are low

[fathom bramble]

well last hits aren't a function of attack speed

just total damage

[cinder relic]

Its probs like breath of the dying no

[glass mortar]

think about how often ur finishing off the last 2 guys as outlaw

since we just always do damage

[fathom bramble]

bigger hits have a higher chance of getting a last hit, whiel faster hits get more chances

[glass mortar]

while ur other dudes are using their piss filler

[fathom bramble]

it equals out in the maths perfectly to just be based on total damage around the time of death

[fathom bramble]

I would hope so

testing it would be good, but it reads as only killing blows

[glass mortar]

its worded like the dK/monk/warrior versions of these talents

i do believe those versions only proc on actual KBs

[lilac lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sX3FRtDABz3dPc6yXPSBd1

Someone can explain me why i see Outlaws with 70k Sims with like 4-5 GS higher?

[glass mortar]

but we'll need to wait and see

[glass mortar]

even in dungeons

[cinder relic]

u have no buffs on

[glass mortar]

i do think we get more of the KBs in dungeons the people think of tho

so i have hope it might even be dec in m+

[lilac lion]

is that Bad?

[glass mortar]

i mean its bad for the dps its gunna give u

[narrow pasture]

enable buffs in the sim

[merry harness]

You have raid buffs turned off

[glass mortar]

raid buffs are big

[narrow pasture]

look up the proper ST build and put that on

[glass mortar]

its probably a fairly large portion of the gap ur seeing

[lilac lion]

K lemme try

[merry harness]

It just makes the sim more raid relevant we normaly turn them off for m+

but in raid you will have them so why not sim with them on

[lilac lion]

so i sim with "Optimal raid buffs" But with No PI right?

[fluid meadow]

but we don't want killing blow so trying to swap at low hp now cause no dmg spread. or is it fixed? Blade Flurry will not cleave damage that is the killing blow on a target.

[merry harness]

Yub

[glass mortar]

i mean if u swap off the low hp target u can still get the KB

from blade flurry

[dull lintel]

is running a dagger offhand still viable, or do you want 2 1h weaps like maces or swords or axes

[glass mortar]

i could be totally wrong maybe we arent actually the ones usually finishing mobs in m+ packs

just feels to me like often im the only guy dpsing the last couple mobs really

[narrow pasture]

its still ahead in same ilvl weps, yes

[lilac lion]

so it makes more sense to Sim it with Optimal raid buffs to see witch of my Trinkets are better right?

[fathom bramble]

our dps at the end of a pack is probably higher than most specs

[narrow pasture]

always sim with raid buffs on

[fathom bramble]

and again killing blows are just a function of damage per second

[glass mortar]

^

we attack so fast

[fathom bramble]

big hits have a higher chance to get it, but small hits are happening faster

math equals it out to just care about total damage being dealt

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/apSugiPCKrXRp9Dogu4ib2 @cinder relic you are turbo gapped btw noob

[haughty wigeon]

It could stand to be better

[lilac lion]

Ok so ST always with Raidbuffs and M+ Without.

[fluid meadow]

and can be interesting if killing blow counts the spell/ability and no cleave or other things count only last singletarget hit

[narrow pasture]

with

[glass mortar]

it could absolutely be better

[narrow pasture]

just leave it on in the sim

[glass mortar]

its a first draft tho so hopefully they listen to feedback!

[narrow pasture]

even though you wont have all of them

[gray summit]

BTE 5cp+ could kill the spec

[glass mortar]

[gray summit]

bc we will have no varations

in our spec

if we do that

[glass mortar]

[gray summit]

not the dmg

but the variance

[glass mortar]

i dont want variance when i get a bte proc

[lilac lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n4M5ZUNt8tRqis4i8cqh44

Yeah IDK 66k Meeh...

[glass mortar]

we have variance at like 15 different points in the rotation

when i get my lucky big ability proc

i wanna shoot my gun

[fathom bramble]

the bTE proc is the variance

[glass mortar]

u spend 80% of the rotation going builder > spender with the occasional builder > builder spender

[gray summit]

yeah sorry i was wrong

go bte 5cp+

i understand the fact ability proc to bte

[junior folio]

are we still only taking 1 point in ace? or is the double % worth it

[glass mortar]

nobody has any clue

[gray summit]

i already hope

[glass mortar]

just speculation

[gray summit]

a buff for next reset

[glass mortar]

the hope would be 2 ace tho

[vivid vessel]

weran

my sim

[haughty wigeon]

We prayge

[glass mortar]

idk what ur sim is bozo

[gray summit]

how many % do you think that will happens ?

[glass mortar]

label some shit

[vivid vessel]

its an override

[haughty wigeon]

For something more than this poop

[vivid vessel]

i mean

2 ace is 3% ahead

of the other option

thats the sim

[glass mortar]

good

[vivid vessel]

its still ahead

[glass mortar]

😠

[cinder relic]

how dumb do u have to be to think 0 ace would be correct

miss type

[vivid vessel]

well its 3%

its not a giga normous number

"miss type"

[glass mortar]

3% would tie it for our second best capstone

😠

check urself zac

[haughty wigeon]

Two points btw

[junior folio]

what do we skip for 2 ace?

[fathom bramble]

it's easy to forget that most of our talents are junk

[gray summit]

maybe the 10% up of rtb

[craggy barn]

take 0 ace in protest ez

[haughty wigeon]

Ye

And then blizzard buffs it cause 0 play rate

[craggy barn]

real

[river wing]

skipping SoH would feel like trash ngl
the issue with SoH is that theoretically you don't need it, just get lucky, but in practice you know that every 1oaK you get could've not been one...

[junior folio]

too real

[craggy barn]

just dont look at the odds and u will never feel like that ez

[gray summit]

i think

SoH is overrated

[junior folio]

i cant think of anything you can skip for 2 ace really, it cant be worth it losing anything

[gray summit]

i dont trust in odds from blizzard

ahahah

[fathom bramble]

where is your dagger ?

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

jut imainge its a dagger

just need to drop one

[crimson scarab]

Tomorrow from pit of Saron

[vivid vessel]

dude ..

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s54VTiLP12eCNdgcgbuy93

actually this one sims better still but

its not as fun ..

[celest cobalt]

I cant make sense of all the aura buffs, is this a net buff?

[vivid vessel]

its

[fathom bramble]

13 ivl difference

[vivid vessel]

random thing to ace

[fathom bramble]

dagger is like +26ilvl ig

[vivid vessel]

changes nothing

no buff no nerf

[vivid vessel]

ye

[wooden pilot]

we get aoe cc back

thank you realz

[wooden pilot]

every single dagger sims > 1.5% for me at 250ilvl

kinda crazy

[glass mortar]

you know

[fathom bramble]

I mean we just aren't a DW spec anymore

we are mainhand offhand

[glass mortar]

i wonder if the higher ace proc rate is meant to help push the threshold we cast bte from down

how much would u need to buff it to let us bte at 5 again

maybe that was the intention

[gray summit]

something stress me

[fathom bramble]

it's chance per spent so I doubt it would ever reasonable move the spending point

[gray summit]

80th percentile we are the best spec in HC stats

[fathom bramble]

it could even push it to 7 not push it down at all

[glass mortar]

yea it could go either direction

[gray summit]

for the rogue i spoke

[glass mortar]

i dont see why it wouldnt impact it tho

[gray summit]

so the will up assa before us

[junior folio]

make the % scale with cp spent

[glass mortar]

it does..

[cinder relic]

Why dont we stress about the balance patch when it happens

That sounds like a better idea

[gray summit]

+1 Forever

[fathom bramble]

this is like way after the balance patch

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel if ur feeling cute u should do an override and change BtE to 5+ and see what happens

[junior folio]

no one here has anything better to do than panicking over ptr changes

[vivid vessel]

wdym

thats already the apl

[craggy barn]

we gotta talk about the .5 stuff now or else theyll leave it alone

[vivid vessel]

or you mean the cp refund

[glass mortar]

wgat

why is casting BtE at 5+ in the apl

[cinder relic]

Im not talking about the .5 stuff

I referring to the comment of "Outlaw is the best rogue spec on logs rn"

[vivid vessel]

ah you mean

5

ye

[glass mortar]

ye

[vivid vessel]

no

i had time 10 min ago

[glass mortar]

kk

[vivid vessel]

now i dont wanna

[fathom bramble]

oh I just completely skipped over that

unlucky

[cinder relic]

Continue to freak out about these .5 changes

go crazy

[gray summit]

but not many people play outlaw, it's sad

so the stats are not important u're right

[brave lagoon]

there's a dozen of us

[junior folio]

you misspelled rogue

my guild has 3 raid groups going and im the only active one there

on a more positive note, yay airborne irritant

[wintry solar]

I've never felt more neutral about outlaw notes

Maybe I'm numb idk

[gray summit]

for 80th percentile +

594 outlaw vs 4292 sub

( i cry for assa)

[fathom bramble]

it'll be nice to be forced back into 2 ace

you might even cast 2 aces in a row sometimes

[cinder relic]

I think 6-9% more BTE reset chance is a lot

[fathom bramble]

wdym 6-9% more

oh you mean on a 6 cp finisher

nvm

[cinder relic]

Yer

and then SC

[fathom bramble]

I was tihnking about it as 20% more chance

[cinder relic]

Also true

[fair ore]

I got a question is preparation necessary if I have 20% haste I feel like it comes back up after 4-5 dispaches anyways

It feels so awkward to use

[fathom bramble]

prep is necessary

[cinder relic]

30-45 > 36-54%

[fathom bramble]

it can feel less ideal, but it's just a reality that it isn't that strong of a talent(few of them are)

[fair ore]

Mainly for the adrenaline and BtE resets right?

[fathom bramble]

it's just strong enough

if that makes sense

[fair ore]

I suppose so

[fathom bramble]

though I guess that could mean it's not necessary from a certain point of view

you could just take whatever else and only lose a couple % at most

[peak dock]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[fair ore]

I think I’m gonna stick with prep for now

Guess I’ll pop it when plus 3 RtB hits

[fathom bramble]

well that's just all messed up

[mighty pivot]

ptr rogue changes

[glass mortar]

yea the haste and stats commands arent updated

dont use them

[craggy barn]

thats still not updated? lol

[mighty pivot]

the macro command is also old sooolo

[dark ember]

Outlawr discord help howdo I parse these global values

Only know how to read the individual ability changes they spell out for me

[fluid meadow]

why are they doing this illegal movement? i just don't wanna eat casters dmg before anything happens but...

[fathom bramble]

A properly geared outlaw's stat volume will look like Crit > haste* > vers > mastery.

*but haste has a Requirement because Adrenaline Rush scales with your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The Current best Fatebound build requires up to 21.4% haste from gear(this will show as 25% on your sheet thanks to Alacrity), but value can start going down as you approach 20%. If your crit is very low then it can also briefly have a higher value than haste below 21.4% as well.

You need to use :raidbots: Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.

[mighty pivot]

good bot

[wintry solar]

Beep boop

[wintry solar]

Play your wordle bot

[fathom bramble]

wait the flask info is wrong unlucky

I don't even know how much stat current flasks give

[vapid void]

is 14% haste viable or what

[glass mortar]

well wdym viable

u can log into the game and play it

u will suffer both energy and dps wise

[vapid void]

okay then ouch

[mighty pivot]

it has already changed here

[frail veldt]

So cloud cover is literally blizzard admitting they've never actually played trickster right?

Am I reading that correctly?

[frigid olive]

Is this better than the crucible trinket or no? Just got it from a delve.

[fathom bramble]

I would strongly recommend that you immediately run every dungeon that has a ring with haste/vers or crit/haste to make your character function a little better

[vapid void]

whats the goal %?

[glass mortar]

sim it

but unlikely, crucible is pretty good

[fathom bramble]

~21% from gear/consumes, but is very hard to reach this early

[gray summit]

25% with every buff

[glass mortar]

maybe if u desperatly need haste

[gray summit]

21% from gear

[fathom bramble]

more realistic haste is probably 16-18% from gear

[craggy barn]

weapon oils give haste too so

[cinder relic]

whats the correlation?

[gray summit]

i coutn him in every buff for 25%

flask +oil, when u have 20-21% u have 25% with gem etc

[frail veldt]

Me not reading it stacks extra, thought they had actually finally lost their minds

[cinder relic]

Not reading and being angry

an outlaw classic

[lime lake]

[wintry solar]

Pb and jelly

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-explodes-kitten-explosion-kitten-falls-down-the-stairs-cat-explodes-gif-3231926901894429402

[wintry solar]

Not as classic

[glass mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-reaction-low-tier-god-gif-3069402631519613407

[frail veldt]

I did ask if I'm reading it correctly

[glass mortar]

yea but i didnt read what u typed

have u considered that

[mighty pivot]

ok but why is it under assassination instead of outlaw? you are right

[glass mortar]

😠

[mighty pivot]

they haven't played trickster!

[fathom bramble]

wait I didn't even notice

[wintry solar]

Dude

[fathom bramble]

what a silly error

[wintry solar]

That's so meta lol

Finally Trickster living up to its name

[frail veldt]

Wonder if you can turn off the visual so you can still see swirlies

[cinder relic]

Of course not

but they will probs lower the visual

Make it less

[fathom bramble]

it wouldn't surprise me if after a little bit of iteration they change the actual cloud duration to just a 0.5-1 second visual

and just have 15 seconds of fazed buff on the character

assuming it gets iteration

[wintry solar]

Or make it so only we're the ones that see it

[junior folio]

question, how do you analise outlaw logs? what do you look for?

[frail veldt]

Doesn't really help us lol

That's how you get them to ignore it forever

[wintry solar]

Yeah

Where's the confusion

That's their thing

[frail veldt]

I forgot

[wintry solar]

It's okay, they will too

[thorn parrot]

Idk how to feel about this lmfao

[fathom bramble]

here's some thoughts and feelings you can have

[tiny onyx]

let's say you're at 7 cp and BtE is available but adrenaline is like 5 seconds from coming up, would you dispatch > adrenaline rush > BtE? To help burn the current CP you have vs adrenaline rushing when youre already at 7cp?

[thorn parrot]

Yeah legit what I was thinking

[mighty pivot]

time to revive my na forum alt

[thorn parrot]

Oh shit forum alts are meta

[mighty pivot]

oh no... that's a mafic thread?

[fathom bramble]

it's not like he wouldn't appear in other threads

[mighty pivot]

true, it's just that when he is the op there is a +40% chance of him fighting with someone

[frail veldt]

Correct

[fathom bramble]

he will almost certainly fight the claim that we don't BTE > BTE

[frail veldt]

You hold bte if adr is < 30s cd

[mystic berry]

all threads are mafic threads

our omnipresent rep

[vapid void]

whats the best race i heard sales coming up soon since i accidently made my rogue vulpera awhile back orginally an alt

[mighty pivot]

mafic lives on those forums

[dark ember]

I worry it will end up as an unintentional nerf since the buffed 2/2 form will still not be able to compete with the likes of the mandatory dice talents and it could end up sitting as the nerfed 1/2 form.

[mighty pivot]

the goat already has +100 posts since I last checked a couple days ago

[dark ember]

I hope it ends up badass because I like passives over buttons but worried about it

[thorn parrot]

Vulpera is BiS right after undead, not for stats or anything but just cool
Value

[vapid void]

i do not wanna be a furry no more

[fathom bramble]

we almost certainly go 2/2 now, but it is probably technically a small damage nerf compared to live

[mighty pivot]

vulpera "cool"

[fathom bramble]

but I wouldn't be that concerned with how much it is a nerf to our dps

realistically it doesn't matter

[frail veldt]

Maybe if you want half your transmog slots to have like no appearance

[vapid void]

is orc the best

[fathom bramble]

Panda is the best

[vapid void]

y that

[mighty pivot]

orc has nice animations (and can be green!)

[wintry solar]

Not since the Owospeak addon died

[fathom bramble]

food buff strong

[vapid void]

whats the food buff

[fathom bramble]

it doubles the stats you gain from food

[thorn parrot]

Food buff mad strong, female panda animations are so good

[fathom bramble]

and food is very strong this expac

[frail veldt]

To vulpera not undead

Undead is sick

[thorn parrot]

Sorry in love with vulpera front flips

[wintry solar]

Those are sick

[fathom bramble]

also you can do the spot over 1 eye and the eyepatch over the other

which is just peak outlaw

[mighty pivot]

do this and make the free eye blind

[wintry solar]

Don't give out my tech wtf

[brittle pelican]

we hype?

[cinder relic]

aoe blind good

Trickster buff good ig

Ace change good probably

"Cool"

[brittle pelican]

"tight"

[thorn parrot]

“Sick”

[dark ember]

5% more resets hmm, but what are we probably dropping for the 2/2

[cinder relic]

for aoe probs something like sleight

[wintry solar]

"fine"

[sand jewel]

How is outlaw holding up meta wise?

[thorn parrot]

That’s the best part, it’s not holding on to anything.

[cinder relic]

very average

Hopping for buffs on mythic reset

[sand jewel]

You think there will be buffs 23rd?

[mighty pivot]

the idea for cloud cover is cool at least. How well it will work remains to be seen since it competes with 10% finisher crit which is fairly strong

[cinder relic]

There should be buffs yes

[sand jewel]

lolz

[cinder relic]

Will there be? hopefully

No clue though

[sand jewel]

Feels quite underwhelming atm, did less damage than a guy with 15 less ilvl, and I played "perfectly"

[mighty pivot]

guy acting as if he's not a blizzard employee

[cinder relic]

I doubt u did

[narrow pasture]

if guy was john blizzard we wouldnt have had 3 sub seasons in a row

[glass mortar]

doesnt rlly matter tho

its not like mafic isnt gunna be posting up a storm in any feedback thread made so

[sand jewel]

Did what?

[mighty pivot]

I want a mafic podcast

[fathom bramble]

I don't think it makes sense to even reply to a Mafic post

he tends to make statements from a place of zero experience and zero evidence

[cinder relic]

Doubt u played perfectly

[mighty pivot]

dunno many people get baited

[cinder relic]

Spec is hard to play still

[fathom bramble]

it's like talking to a wall of annoying bait

[glass mortar]

yea i stopped responding to him directly

[cinder relic]

idt I play perfectly on this spec

But yeah I mean

Rogue is very average

[fathom bramble]

I got baited already and figured this out later so idk

[glass mortar]

bro i cannot catch a break

[cinder relic]

there are a lot of OP specs

[glass mortar]

i am still 60% blue gear

every veteran piece ive gotten so far this week has been a neck or a mh weapon

🥹

i have vendored 10 purples

[narrow pasture]

aint u supposed to be getting champion pieces this week

[glass mortar]

ye i havent done that content yet

just using up all my bad luck

[mighty pivot]

is MM positively bugged? they are disgusting on paladins

[glass mortar]

frfr

[narrow pasture]

ahh savoring the experience

i see

[desert tendon]

WERAN

[cinder relic]

No just broken

[fathom bramble]

you need veteran items to send to 250 to save champion crests

[sand jewel]

"perfectly" meaning didnt mess up rotation etc. One never plays perfect duh. However shouldnt do less damage with such a big ilvl diff. Thats just messed up'

[glass mortar]

hi censi

[fathom bramble]

MM has off the wall insane passive cleave

[desert tendon]

Quick valeera check

[glass mortar]

MM is just broken on low target cleave

[mighty pivot]

did they forget to nerf MM's passive cleave when they gutted everyone else's

[glass mortar]

i believe our guilds MM told me at the end of beta they were simming like 100k on ST and 180k on 2 targets or something

[narrow pasture]

they aimed at large scale aoe mostly

[fathom bramble]

I mean looking at the whole roster literally only rogue got their passive cleave gutted

[glass mortar]

adding the second target almost doubles their dps

[narrow pasture]

not low target cleave

[glass mortar]

ok but they r still bonkers on it

[desert tendon]

i like to see it

[fathom bramble]

MM got talents to fix their passive cleave at 2 targets even

so they have no cleave gap weakness anymoree

[cinder relic]

MM is thanos

[mighty pivot]

precise cuts shots

rip PC forever in my heart

[fathom bramble]

did you notice delve track has a cap

is anyone else even delving

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[mighty pivot]

are you asking or did you hit the cap?

[vivid vessel]

what for

im just doing the bountifuls

[fathom bramble]

no I hit the cap

[mighty pivot]

it used to be capped in tww too

[fathom bramble]

after hitting rank 4 you stop getting journey progress

[vivid vessel]

you doing delves for fun or wht

[glass mortar]

i dont think the true delve season has started yet or something

idk

my delve journal is still missing from my season journal

[fathom bramble]

I wanted full champ crests before our raid on friday

[vivid vessel]

ye do nightmares no ?

[fathom bramble]

but yes I am having fun

hate prey

down with prey

[vivid vessel]

i mean sure but it takes 5 min for 15 crest

its quite efficient

[glass mortar]

nightmare prey is definitly a bit dissapointing

hopefully we are just the real beta testers

[mighty pivot]

rogue that doesn't like disarming traps

[glass mortar]

and theyll add real mechanics and such later on

[vivid vessel]

they changed it already i think

you get ambushed a lot more

and you spawn a mob a lot more when disarming

definitly wasnt like that yesterday

[mighty pivot]

just vanish and go next

[vivid vessel]

2mnin cd bud

[fathom bramble]

I don't disagree that it's faster

but I will always prefer to earn rewards doing something fun

the extra veteran items and disenchantables have also come in handy

[wintry solar]

Imagine rogue had its vanilla utility relevant again

[mighty pivot]

run without a trace!

[thorn parrot]

Ninja is on a heater right now lmfao

[vivid vessel]

hmm

actually

[wintry solar]

Like that prison dungeon in bfa

[vivid vessel]

you might be onto something

[wintry solar]

Tol Dagor? Idr

[pearl topaz]

I like the prey system, just needs more affixes/the ability to go crazy

[flint sun]

Thoughts on what trinkets to run?

[formal thunder]

Vestige seems bugged

[vivid vessel]

you like the prey system?

xd?

[random stirrup]

already hotfixed

still seems good but not crazy busted

[formal thunder]

doesn't trigger the aoe on death of enemies

[cinder relic]

Quick hotfix revert

[random stirrup]

yep

[glass mortar]

i just dont understand how we've had 2 plunderstorms and 2 remixes and blizzard still pretends they dont know how to make solo content that isnt just auto attack merchants

so far most of these hunt "bosses" are glorified big mob in a dungeon pack level of gameplay

they can def do better

[mighty pivot]

booooo

[thorn parrot]

They had to design GLORIOUS ABUNDANCE ACOLYTE

[fathom bramble]

lol

they also made the cages in atalaman break stealth

[glass mortar]

but its a cute idea so i hope they continue to improve it

[cinder relic]

its a core epxansion thing so

Itll get fixed up each season

Hopefully more affixes, spicier boss stuff

[mighty pivot]

did they announce prey as evergreen?

[cinder relic]

Probably somewhere, but it is

[tiny onyx]

Does vanish do anything for us this season? I know with HO we'd vanish and spam ambush

[cinder relic]

It was an expansion feature

And it has its own EXP track

[frail veldt]

Fun detected

[cinder relic]

Drop aggro, break snares, drop targeting on some mechanics

[wintry solar]

Why are you stealth in the first place?

[mighty pivot]

wdym that delve story doesn't even have a mob requirement

you could do it so fast

[wintry solar]

You win this time

[tiny onyx]

@near rock I saw that when you open on boss you start with BtE and then dispatch, what do you do if your BtE procs Ace? Do you force dispatch to get SnD up? Or do you delay SnD until the ace procs are gone?

[cinder relic]

he does it cuz hes a noob LOLOLOL

u shud dispatch first

[mighty pivot]

wow outlaw channel is so toxic

[wintry solar]

We should all just take a deep breath and think

[mighty pivot]

no wonder popo = poop

[near rock]

I play off vibes

[wintry solar]

This is merely character development

[mild vale]

Why do we run aoe talents on double dragon boss?

can we cleave both?

[cinder relic]

1, yes

but 2, the orbs

[mighty pivot]

smallies I guess

[mild vale]

thank you

[cinder relic]

U can also cleave the dragons if ur tanks know

when they are both grounded

[mild vale]

gotcha

thanks again

[vapid void]

hey guys dis any good

[sand jewel]

Yes, but sim is king

[vapid void]

well this is my current

[sand jewel]

Well then yes indeed

Haste is like number 1 prio until u hit 25% true stat

[tiny onyx]

I know if adrenaline is about to come off CD we want to hold BtE for it - but is it also the case in reverse if BtE is almost off CD to hold adrenaline?

[deep sequoia]

i dont think so

[narrow pasture]

if its more than 1 gcd - no

youll get at least one supercharged BTE, and its better to get the AR cd rolling

[cinder relic]

Rogue
Outlaw
Fixed an issue where Roll the Bones was granting it's 3rd and 4th stage more often than intended.

[tiny onyx]

say thats a lie

[narrow pasture]

where dis?

[vivid vessel]

fuck you

[wintry solar]

Begone satan

[cinder relic]

LOLOLOL

[untold heart]

Fixed something on rogue, doubt

[vivid vessel]

@cinder relic

while you are here

[wintry solar]

He just left actually

[vivid vessel]

i was told there was more ways than just the weekly to get levels on that trinket thing

you know about that ?

[languid kernel]

!macros

[solid gyro]

Should we be slapping on 2-set as soon as possible, or should we wait to get to 4-set?

[gaunt phoenix]

Slap

[languid kernel]

!macros

[oblique flicker]

1 from assault and 1 from weekly quest for 3 world quests in voidstorm

[vivid vessel]

ok

the assualt

bugged thing

ok

i do that

[cinder relic]

Assault + weekly

[vivid vessel]

ye i didnt know about assault

[cinder relic]

[vivid vessel]

oh thats the name

[restive mango]

saladbar mostly single target?

[vivid vessel]

full str

i cant destroy this

[fathom bramble]

it clearly says to spend it wisely

you musn't destroy it

[wintry solar]

Make sure y'all bring an extra pair of drawers for the buffs tomorrow

[final pagoda]

does this make ace 2/2 worth?

[cinder relic]

Required!

[final pagoda]

do we like it or not?

[cinder relic]

It should be 5 CP cuz it triggers ppl for it to be 4

but its a handful more ace reset chance which is nice

[final pagoda]

is 1% so much more impactful?

[cinder relic]

per cp

[vivid vessel]

i mean i think its justified tbf idk

you just waste a lot of cp

its not a fun gameplay

[final pagoda]

true

[cinder relic]

It doesnt really bother me but it does upset a lot of ppl, so it should be changed

[vivid vessel]

to waste cp

[final pagoda]

u mean when ur at 4 and u ss with rtb buff?

[vivid vessel]

like everytime outlaw has had gameplay where we just overcap ton of cp for no reason

people didnt really like it

i think anytime this happen its kinda a failed design

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe you end up bte at 6 with first cast (assumed high zero in stacks) and reset spam is fine at 5

[cinder relic]

I was thinking this as well

[vivid vessel]

i dont think so because above 5 cp we have chance to get 2 cp back from ruth

which then becomes even more insane value

cause it can proc 6 cp ace

6cp ace being self sufficient

[final pagoda]

I am confused, what is reset spam?

[sour cedar]

they could maybe change the sound cue for BtE resetting it's CD via Ace and Gravedigger while they are at it
I find it a little jarring when I hear the audio cue and have to double check how many combo points I have because it's the same audio for both
admittedly that's on me a little for not tracking Gravedigger stacks if that's a thing we can do

[fathom bramble]

definitely track gravedigger

[vivid vessel]

well you wouldnt have to if ace just refunded 5cp like it did in tww

[vivid vessel]

you track it ?

[final pagoda]

wait what

[fathom bramble]

yes

[sour cedar]

yeah the muscle memory from TWW catches me out

[fathom bramble]

with how long it can take to actually give the refund

[vivid vessel]

noob

ye

[fathom bramble]

I would rather know it will

[final pagoda]

why tracking gravedigger

[fathom bramble]

isntead of guess that it might

[vivid vessel]

its just lag tho

rn

cuase 30 man

[fathom bramble]

it's distance to the target too

[vivid vessel]

or so i hope ..

[fathom bramble]

it refunds on projectile impact

[final pagoda]

dont u just react to the cp u have?

[vivid vessel]

ah is it why its so shit on like

the big bosses

[fathom bramble]

lag probably can make it worse, but on large bosses it will always do this

[vivid vessel]

bro what a terrible desin

how do they keep making these mistakes

[fathom bramble]

I have a non-intrusive tracker for it

it's just a number above my first combo point that also turns into a red box when at 6 or more

[vivid vessel]

it just ruin the fun for me

to track the reset

[final pagoda]

how did u do it?

[vivid vessel]

i wanna react to it

[vivid vessel]

like god intended

[fathom bramble]

arcui, buff progress bar, background/border both off, threshold at 6 turns it red. set max to 6 so it's a filled in square when full

I also left it filling up a little if 3 or more

idk if I like that yet or not

[final pagoda]

on arcui can u set up how a SPECIFIC buff look like? (not all of them)

[fathom bramble]

yes

[final pagoda]

damn

[fathom bramble]

that IS my specific gravedigger buff

[final pagoda]

I spent too much time on bcdm to delete it

[fathom bramble]

it is a bar that has text and changes color based on how full it is

just kind of setup to be a small box instead of a traditional bar

[sour cedar]

haven't gotten around to tracking it on my UI but it just seems a little awkward that different effects give the same audio cue
the whole point of an audio cue is to give you information but now with it doing double duty I have to check what the audio cue meant
it happens often enough it just throws off my vibe with the rotation

[final pagoda]

can u tell me how u use the info of tracking grave and ace?

just preventing of BtE right after assuming it's grave but it's ace?

[fathom bramble]

literally just for the fact that grave procs are delayed by mob distance

[gaunt phoenix]

it's just to help react to the reset

[glossy plover]

is outlaw any fun i havent started playing xpac yet cuz i heard only bad stuff (if im not interrupting a topic)

[final pagoda]

wdym delayed by mob distance?

[fathom bramble]

gravedigger refunds when the projectile hits

[gaunt phoenix]

bte is a projectile now

[fathom bramble]

so it's not always instant

[final pagoda]

okay I see

[fathom bramble]

if it was instant like ace I would maybe not track it

[cinder relic]

Outlaw is fun

Performance is mid

Balance patch soon

[glossy plover]

sounds promising enough, might be time to start then ty!

[fathom bramble]

outlaw definitely still most fun melee spec in the game

but I might be biased

[final pagoda]

so basically if u track and u know ur getting refunded and ur far away, u wait for the CP for another BtE and u avoid to SS/PS?

[fathom bramble]

effectively yeah

it lets you actually know it's a proc before you make a mistake

[final pagoda]

I see

[cinder relic]

Just be aware of what ur getting into as a spec

[ripe ibex]

!tott

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[fathom bramble]

and on bosses with large hitboxes it has sizeable delay from within melee range

[cinder relic]

No burst, sustained damage

[vivid vessel]

nah you arent, everything else is dogshit

[cinder relic]

Ur going to lose to big burst damage specs

Ret and fury is pretty fun

[ripe ibex]

oh no

[vivid vessel]

fuck i actually have better trinekts than crucible

[ripe ibex]

not again

[vivid vessel]

i thought crucible was kinda the big guy of the noob trinkets

but apparently not

[cinder relic]

wtf trinkets do u have

[vivid vessel]

idk bro

[final pagoda]

how long to unlock all the crucible stuff?

[vivid vessel]

some random bullshit

found them on the floor

[fathom bramble]

solarflare is juiced

not random bs

[vivid vessel]

i have legit every trinket in the game

[final pagoda]

my crucible with sustance only sims very bad

[vivid vessel]

i have no clue where they come from

[glass mortar]

@fathom bramble some of these temporary next delve buffs are...

my level 10 delve i was doing 150k dps every pull the entire delve

i was so confused

check details

60% of my damage was some bullshit proc damage

[fathom bramble]

yeah it's weird

[glass mortar]

legit just turned off the delve

[fathom bramble]

my valeera is also starting to do insane damage

[glass mortar]

my valeeras hp bar never moves with npcs as well

its weird

shes tanking but their autos dont even scratch her

[fathom bramble]

I think they only nerfed her in the ? delve

[glass mortar]

meanwhile i fall over if a pack looks at me for more then 5 seconds

i guess i am super undergeared for 10s and 11s but still

[fathom bramble]

healer valeera basically can't die

[vivid vessel]

i have all of these

[past falcon]

bruh

[vivid vessel]

im kinda goated with shiter trinkets

[fathom bramble]

damn the crucible actually wins on my alt https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hfASMNYqaZUzUCqijKnr1f

if I actually had the thing leveled up

[vivid vessel]

257?

you are juiced bro

[final pagoda]

75k dps ST?

wtf

[vivid vessel]

ah you crafted 272

how do you even do that

[fathom bramble]

I think it's the theoretically max possible ilvl before stepping into raid on a dual wielder

[vivid vessel]

its hc crests?

[fathom bramble]

delve

the answer is always delve

[final pagoda]

wtf?

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

hm

[glass mortar]

get delvin zac

[vivid vessel]

how do i craft that bro

[glass mortar]

its delve o clock

[vivid vessel]

i need it on my shitter

[glass mortar]

would you look at the time

[fathom bramble]

heroic crests on a spark craft

not recommended for real characters

split alt only activity

[vivid vessel]

ye i know

[final pagoda]

oh okay

[vivid vessel]

how do you get hc crests

is it just delves

[final pagoda]

hero crest week 1 ?!

[fathom bramble]

T11 delves give heroic crests

[vivid vessel]

im sure there are other ways

oh im capped

[fathom bramble]

you get 65 from doing the ??

[vivid vessel]

on main

idk how

[fathom bramble]

is prey heroic too?

[final pagoda]

well if it's on crafted weap, I think using hero there isn't too bad?

[vivid vessel]

its champ

[final pagoda]

yep

[fathom bramble]

better off just making a myth next week

waste of heroic crests if you care about the character at all after week 1

[vivid vessel]

eh

thats a lie tho

[fathom bramble]

this char just needs to be strong for 1st splits and then any further splits should be free anway

[vivid vessel]

preys nightmaers are champ rn lol

idk what this tooltip is saying

but its a big cap

[final pagoda]

u sure?

[vivid vessel]

i am

i have been spamming nightmares

for champ

[final pagoda]

I have 84 hero and I have 0 heroic bosses killed

[vivid vessel]

to upgrade

xd

[glass mortar]

zac...

[glass mortar]

u said ur capped on herioc crests....

[vivid vessel]

well ye

[vivid vessel]

no

im capped cause i did hc raid

[glass mortar]

if ur capped on hero crests anything rewarding them gives u the next tier down.....

[vivid vessel]

nope

niightmares prey gives champ

i will show you noob

one sec

[glass mortar]

zac the tooltip clearly says it right there.....

[vivid vessel]

the tooltip is wrong tho lol

[final pagoda]

outlaw schizo

[glass mortar]

u have 30 seconds to show me before i power down PC and go to bed

[vivid vessel]

ah i know actually

[final pagoda]

mmmh

[vivid vessel]

the weeklies

maybe gives hc

just not the random ones

?

idk

[fathom bramble]

the 3 prey weekly is 20 hero crests

actually is that even a weekly?

[glass mortar]

did u think u could farm preys that ur spamming out in 5 minutes for hero crests....

[fathom bramble]

or just 1 time ever idk

[glass mortar]

if its in the tooltip then surely its weekly

[vivid vessel]

i mean i do it for champ so

[vivid vessel]

why lol

[glass mortar]

it would be insanely silly to say prey is a source of hero if it only gives them one time ever no?

[fathom bramble]

true

also if you get to delve journey rank 2 it's a free 40 hero per week

from the gilded caches

[vivid vessel]

ok but

weran

consider this

[glass mortar]

too late zac

im in bed already

no considerations

[vivid vessel]

per week??

[glass mortar]

get to delving

[fathom bramble]

yes

[glass mortar]

i expect level 50 alleria by tomorrow

[fathom bramble]

but it's a normal source so it goes towards the cap

if you are doing keys and/or raid it doesn't really matter

soon™

[final pagoda]

how many delves u did and WHY

[glass mortar]

man unlocking t11 delves is gunna be rough....

[vivid vessel]

i have nothing to do for the entire week

[glass mortar]

maybe 240 ilvl isnt enough

[glass mortar]

these mobs hp scaled so quick

[vivid vessel]

imma do ?? actually

surely now im powerful enough

[fathom bramble]

I don't think this counts alt stuff though

[final pagoda]

WHY

[fathom bramble]

wdym?

must delve

[final pagoda]

u been spamming 11?

[glass mortar]

spammed low level atal aman to powerlevel alleria for HoF?

[fathom bramble]

atal'aman was during prerelease stuff

[glass mortar]

ye

[fathom bramble]

did like 40 in 1 day with the variant that use to take like 4-5 minutes

so those were all T7

but everything since then ahs been T11

or most of everything

[glass mortar]

yea these mobs have so much hp, trying to avoid fighting stuff as much as possible

its funny doing this while undergeared on squishlaw

if alleria ever loses threat a mob turns and swings at me for half my hp bar

i actually faced a pretty cool delve boss in one of the void delves today

[sour cedar]

that variant is up right now

[glass mortar]

he had 2 different spells you could kick, a big aoe to dodge out of and he would do a mini phase where he spammed out lil voidwalkers that would empower him if u didnt kill them or cc them to despawn them within like 20 seconds

[final pagoda]

how does it wsork

[glass mortar]

felt like some real mechanics

we need more bosses like this.....

[sour cedar]

spammed it at 6 to clear all my veteran crest upgrades because loot RNG sucks for me this week

[sour cedar]

stealth around clicking cages and then run to the end and kill minibosses and boss, takes 5 minutes-ish per run for 10 vet crests at a 6, not much longer on higher levels as it's just mini-boss and boss hp scaling

[final pagoda]

dosent opening cage break stealth?

[sour cedar]

haven't done nearly as many as above, only ~20 runs and my Valeera is only ~30

it does but you can do most of them without a fight

careful position or just vanish after

[fathom bramble]

it use to not break stealth

they ruined it

[sour cedar]

you only break stealth at the end of the animation so you can still do the animation

[mystic berry]

you can still sap it whatever is nearby most of the cages

[fathom bramble]

true

but it was so much better before

[stone frost]

Warcraftlogs outlaw (and the other 2) lookin pretty garbage in raid 🙁

[vivid vessel]

BRO

im not doing it again

i gave it one fair try

[cinder relic]

it gives u hero and mythic crests

Over cap

[vivid vessel]

she 100 0 me at the end tho

[vivid vessel]

so bad !

idc !

im not doing it !

it was 1 % bro

im so mad

valeera stopped giving me orbs

[slim hare]

its not bad

its just rogue bad

[vivid vessel]

wdym its not bad

[slim hare]

also healer

[vivid vessel]

the only mechanic is to live melees

[mystic berry]

is crucible simming a meme?

[vivid vessel]

bud just 100 0 me at the end i cba what a dogshit boss

[rare rapids]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mystic berry]

I mean, its kinda sus how I cant find a replacement for it

[vivid vessel]

imma wait another 40 ilvl !

[slim hare]

already doing that

wont bother this week

i ll do it when i wait for teammate in m+

[serene urchin]

does sims sim the void trinket as if u were in the voidsphere or not

[stone frost]

Is the usual minutes for patchwerk 1 boss sim 3 min?

[slim hare]

5

[stone frost]

Ah yeah I remember ty

[plush grove]

is this still bis?

[near holly]

man. outlaw hasnt felt this far behind in awhile in raid it feels like. note i skipped last season

idk how the hell they plan on tuning some of these specs for rwf lol. going to be super stacks ranged eating it up

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble i only have 3 sparks

what did i fuck up bro

[cinder relic]

the buff is always active

[near holly]

i saw someone skipped the campaign

[cinder relic]

In all zones

[cinder relic]

? like this

Or

[vivid vessel]

ye

[cinder relic]

In ur currency tab

[vivid vessel]

should be 4 tho

[cinder relic]

did u do the quest called

"midnight world tour"

[vivid vessel]

i cant find it

idk where it is

[near holly]

it might be the campaign thing

did you finish the story lol

[vivid vessel]

i know i should be doing it but

i mean i did that quest the first week

i just dont know where it is now idk

[near holly]

ya we had a guy who had to do the whole campaign in a day to get his spark

[vivid vessel]

i did the campaing on my main

[near holly]

o then you should be good. idk

[vivid vessel]

its not weekly right

or is it

[near holly]

we did have to do a weekly for the spark

[stone frost]

I made the mistake of looking at sims and outlaw is in the bottom ~6 in every version 🙁

[near holly]

blizz could of not added a catch up or something

man crown on heroic i havent felt so useless in awhile on prog lol

get a triple jackpot roll and still 80k behind in p1.

[fair ore]

No literally

[near holly]

melee in general are struggling. i have no idea how they tune for this race. its going to be impossible to bring stuff closer together

[fair ore]

Meanwhile mages melt with shorter rotations 💀

[vivid vessel]

wait its legit just a random yellow quest

wtf

thats so troll

[near holly]

yellow? i dont remember that but maybe was a silvermoon one? lol

[cinder relic]

Its just a quest from lorthemar

[vivid vessel]

ye i didnt do it on alt apparently

which solves the 3/3 on alt

i have no clue why im missing one on main still tho

[cinder relic]

Its the same quest

[vivid vessel]

ye but i did it

[cinder relic]

Its the only other quest that awards u a spark

[vivid vessel]

its not weekly right

[cinder relic]

no

[vivid vessel]

ye i did it once on main already

still my main is 3/3

[near holly]

could you have a bug with the warmode spark one giving a spark?

[vivid vessel]

so idk im missing smth

[cinder relic]

No

Its overcap

The quest one is overcap

[near holly]

ya they added the quest to accomodate for the warmode thing right

[cinder relic]

No

Its just the quest one is a bonus one

[vivid vessel]

i remember doing that

[cinder relic]

The radiant one is "just the weekly ones"

[near holly]

ahh

[vivid vessel]

not the warmode

[vivid vessel]

but you should have 4 tho

not 3

[elder roost]

is loa worshipers band simming really high for anyone else in ST ?

^ the crafted ring

[cinder relic]

I have 4

3 dust on currency

[vivid vessel]

oh

wait waht

i think my alt is cooked

[keen belfry]

it 100% is

[fair ore]

I’ve been in love with outlaw since legion

[vivid vessel]

im ngl

there is so much to do this season

its a bit confusing

how do normal players do it all

[wintry solar]

You based for that ngl

[fair ore]

It can feel alittle overwhelming but once you get a few things done it smooths out

Just pace world quests and prey together

Delves and mythic0

[fair ore]

Yeah I started playing wow before legion started didn’t know about specs until I was like lvl50 💀 and went outlaw

First time playing*

[near holly]

no ya i only play outlaw for the funs. i cant play sin the apm is too slow. and sub is braindead.

[wintry solar]

The swap from combat to outlaw was wild tbh

Cool as shit being a pirate

[fair ore]

Especially when you mog as a pirate

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[wintry solar]

I still do tbh even since we're so detached atm

[fair ore]

The tumble weed lmao

[wintry solar]

Loved Dreadblades even if it wasn't the best ability. I found it fun

[fair ore]

I mean I guess but idk I always loved the pirate aesthetic

[serene urchin]

whats everyones plan btw are we making heroic mh or waiting and making myth track mh next week

whats the optimal strat

[scarlet drum]

Is the "linen" for the emblishment in the spreadsheet the Arcanoweave Lining?

[mystic berry]

is crucible really this good?

or are sims lieing

[scarlet surge]

crucible sims are accurate but make sure to upgrade the trinket on the console

[frigid pelican]

for weapon enchants, should trust the sim right? just askin cause acuity of the ren'dorei is simming best for me

[past falcon]

craft w no crests and then recraft w mythic crests next week

is the most efficient if u want the ilvl now

[open bane]

like srsly is there any roll the bones addon

[keen belfry]

riodidict did u craft a word

[open bane]

or ui

[past falcon]

yeah i’m a cuck

[keen belfry]

same so i did

https://klipy.com/gifs/crumpet-sitting

[real mauve]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[formal pawn]

were saved boys

[real mauve]

what i really want is them to buff tier set

[fair ore]

Is the changes to ace up the sleeves any different?