just keep in mind swapping loot spec also prevents outlaw MH from dropping soooo
#outlaw
glass mortar
glass mortar
hard to go wrong crafting as a DW
cinder relic
2 piece, splits not done, 263 weapon
glass mortar
would still have been an upgrade in the moment
vivid vessel
you didnt send champ ?
vivid vessel
my understanding is that champ is useless
sterile dune
Apparently mm hunte rhas insane burst
vivid vessel
!up
ornate heathBOT
vivid vessel
ye
eternal hound
Champ is only really useful for saving some hero crests
errant terrace
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3jUAKiMmUyeCT8EH4UHDPH
Jesus, your sim is so big :O
Do you have weap enchants and everything?
vivid vessel
you drop 266 in m+
eternal hound
Or you just get gear from M+ and don't care
vivid vessel
and champ can upgrade till 263
so it should be uselesss
next week
so it should be spent for splits
i think
cinder relic
my understanding is that champ is useless
We are extremely conservative with spending crests
eternal hound
2 champ pieces a week?
cinder relic
We're probs holding for alleria
vivid vessel
We are extremely conservative with spending crests
ye but, my understanding is that, from m+ you get 266, champ upgrade till 263
ye
i guess
maybe
eternal hound
Lucky
cinder relic
Jesus, your sim is so big :O
Do you have weap enchants and everything?
I have full enchants yeah
eternal hound
All I got on my dk from raid was a 2h that made me go unholy
cinder relic
Only thing we cheap out on is rank 1 gems not rank 2
We've had literally 0 issues with any boss so we just don't send
We haven't sent crafted gear either
vivid vessel
We haven't sent crafted gear either
ye i mean
other than crafting with vet
for embels
i agree
lethal oak
And sword
vivid vessel
but champ is only usefull this week
glass mortar
zac....
lethal oak
He needs to craft that
vivid vessel
im not crafitn anything
lol
what if we play dagger spec
i just soak boss 2 muythic
glass mortar
then its over......
vivid vessel
2 dagger drop week 1 btw
thats the plan
every tier
i do iut
and i will do it again
easy for the boys
proven ocean
zac
proven ocean
?
lethal oak
Play sub with swords like a gangster
vivid vessel
you coming ?
proven ocean
No
copper radish
what if we play dagger spec
Outlaw dagger spec tek inc??
proven ocean
proven ocean
you coming ?
Ye sure
vivid vessel
there is an achiev now i think
for when you get key first
xhanon wnated it
idk how it works
proven ocean
O ye true
vivid vessel
havent looked at it
proven ocean
Its like
copper radish
Feral there for the carry 
proven ocean
First to lvl 20 say
Then
U get like
Hall of fame that dungeon
Cuz u did highest lvl for that dungeon
In the region
Next grp to time 21
Gets it
Per dungeon only
Unless they changed it
But thats how it worked
violet swan
killed Nemesis on ?? twice and didn't get myth crests 🫡
vivid vessel
do you not just perma lose it then
proven ocean
No
vivid vessel
killed Nemesis on ?? twice and didn't get myth crests 🫡
deserved
proven ocean
Maybe ye
copper radish
killed Nemesis on ?? twice and didn't get myth crests 🫡
Imagine they hotfixed it out ðŸ˜
vivid vessel
we getting all the r1s bro
proven ocean
They couldve added rules but ye
vivid vessel
plush grove
Is this trinket sim bait?
vivid vessel
no
proven ocean
Ah
errant terrace
They couldve added rules but ye
"No outlaw rogues allowed to get this achieve"
cinder relic
Is this trinket sim bait?
Not sim bait but you do need to play around it
proven ocean
Im not joining btw
vivid vessel
you are
vivid vessel
sure bro
cinder relic
from what I understand its a more annoying antenna
vivid vessel
sure
cinder relic
plush grove
Not sim bait but you do need to play around it
So you feel have a trinket with a proc will be much less hassle
proven ocean
!
plush grove
and prob for better outcome?
plush grove
Got it
casue it sims so much higher
but mastery is mehh and the proc outside of windows is frustrating
proven ocean
Its fine tho
Can’t play wow cuz life is unlucky
Atleast outlaw has better rng
vivid vessel
its worse
proven ocean
vivid vessel
its just less visible in gameplay
vivid vessel
ye its good i like it
vivid vessel
can do r1 keys with us day 1 if you login at 5 am ..
proven ocean
Planning kicks and stops on every single mob in the dungeon in order was the most fun part of it
Everyone just remembered everything because we gamed so hard
Remember when we started doing it in motherload
Then we showed up in max’s podcast
No voice r1 team
Good times
sturdy tartan
does anyone know whats putting this trinket in the middle? i'm trying to move it
mighty pivot
do you have arcui?
sturdy tartan
yeah but i'm not seeing it in the addon
mighty pivot
go to the tab Arc Auras and disable the auto-track checkbox
sturdy tartan
yeah that one seems to be disabled
mighty pivot
is your trinket showing in that tab as tracked at all?
sturdy tartan
nope
river wing
does anyone know whats putting this trinket in the middle? i'm trying to move it
better CDM
if you have it
sturdy tartan
i do have that
mighty pivot
try /fstack and see the name of the frame for future reference. It usually gives it away
wide arch
If I am at 5 stacks of gravedigger is it better to hold BtE and Dispatch again for the apex reset?
glass mortar
no
you dont play around gravedigger at all other then knowing or reacting to when it procs
river wing
yeah you just keep stacking bullets anyway, they can go beyond 6
so you really don't need to hold for it
next thunder
outlaw rogue bros, how are you guys doing on ze charts
thorn parrot
Horrid. I need to hit the training dummies and get more comfortable in the raids
thorn parrot
Yeah same, rip apart dungeons like nothing but in raid I’m just useless
Highest parse last night was 64 when I’m usually in the 90s
next thunder
haste/crit gear is so hard to get too lol
thorny zinc
can use haste pot to meet requirement as well
river wing
beating most of the people in raid
losing to demo lock doing a green parse nonetheless
huffing hopium for maybe 7% aura on reset?
next thunder
for raid are you guys using preparation, its cd is so long i feel like it does nothing
thorn parrot
Not using Prep, probably should as it’s like a 2-3% increase I believe but I can’t be bothered with it atm
narrow pasture
on pull to reset ar, bte and br
and get 3% dmg increase
going against blizzard's probable intended use for the ability but here we are
cinder relic
outlaw rogue bros, how are you guys doing on ze charts
Like, average
next thunder
sub side of the fence looking mighty green rn
wish we got some hot tuning like unholy got
cinder relic
Try talking to sub players, they are also in shambles
Rogue is just kinda average atm
sturdy tartan
I don't remember exactly how to get rid of it, but it's in the options
ty its fixed now!
narrow pasture
theres no green grass on any rogue neighbourhood
but we work with what we've got
which is copium and guy's tweets 
river wing
theres no green grass on any rogue neighbourhood
it's just dirt
'cause it's a cemetery
but someone's gotta be
a gravedigger
glass mortar
why is our apex called gravedigger
is gravedigging somehow connected to the outlaw themology
next thunder
cuz we dig graves
glass mortar
what kinda scoundrals dig graves for their victims
river wing
is gravedigging somehow connected to the outlaw themology
vaguely western I guess
narrow pasture
solid pun
river wing
...oh fuck
I just realized why that is
do you remember The Good, the Bad and the Ugly?
Well, we dig.
next thunder
i ain't sayin she's a grave digger
river wing
narrow pasture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1711jiiRtM
i had forgotten how hard the fits go in westerns
narrow pasture
dripped out
glass mortar
but also its a bit of a massive missed opportunity to make something called GRAVEdigger our execute
river wing
but also its a bit of a massive missed opportunity to make something called GRAV...
pls wait for 13.0 rework (huff, huff)
glass mortar
coulda made it so the stacks have twice the chance to proc under an hp threshold
something smol and cute like that
opal raven
i ain't sayin she's a grave digger
She aint messin with no broke diggers
narrow pasture
making outlaw an execute spec is an idea that has floated around for a while
it does make a lot of sense
glass mortar
u dont even need to make it an execute spec like
lots of specs have "executes" but really they only gain a few % going into execute
proven ocean
it does make a lot of sense
no
glass mortar
but the gameplay flow changes a bit and it makes it more fun
proven ocean
its the most cooked take that's been made
glass mortar
itd be cool
proven ocean
for outlaw
outer meteor
im crafting a sword fuck it
proven ocean
u guys need to realize if they add things to the spec it'll get balanced around it
its not like its execute and its free dps
its never free dps
near rock
Like, average
I feel like its feeling above average, I was a little surprised to see it low on WCL
glass mortar
ok id like to have it and be balanced around it
near rock
but yeah the stats dont lie
proven ocean
not rly
glass mortar
id give up 1% dps over 70% of the fight to gain 8% in execute
and preferably it makes my gameplay more fun
thats what i really care about
proven ocean
we just need a skill like killingspree actually do some devastating dmg
instead of it being just animation bullshit
hasty warren
KS is cringe
narrow pasture
ive never enjoyed pressing ks in any iteration
glass mortar
ew
proven ocean
liek alot of dmg
glass mortar
its already worth for trickster
proven ocean
alot of classes have cds that do a shit ton of dps
hasty warren
prio damage firtly
proven ocean
look at dev evoker for example
uncapped blast
everything 1 shotted
idk if they changed it now but
glass mortar
if ur fix to outlaw is making it a cd spec then ur not gunna find much agreement in here
proven ocean
dev was a good example
glass mortar
but uve been in here for years u already know this
cinder relic
I feel like its feeling above average, I was a little surprised to see it low on...
Classes like hunter udk and warlock are just so op lol
proven ocean
if ur fix to outlaw is making it a cd spec then ur not gunna find much agreement...
where did i say outlaw needs to be a cd spec
idk where ur getting this from
narrow pasture
devastating dmg on a cd
glass mortar
u just said to fix it give it a button that does big damage
glass mortar
what exactly does that mean to u
proven ocean
it just needs a cd that does good dmg
glass mortar
u just basically said give it sech tech
proven ocean
?
vivid vessel
we dont talk about it enough but the fact valorstones are gone
glass mortar
yes
vivid vessel
makes everything so much better
glass mortar
most classes are cd specs
so they have cds
that do big damage
we dont want that
proven ocean
and sub doesn't care about sectech all that much as much as u make it seem to be btw
infact most of it's dmg was from evisc on st back then
glass mortar
the definition of a cd spec to most people is they have a button they press and it makes them do big damage
glass mortar
i didnt say it did
glass mortar
i dont want to be a cd spec
glass mortar
id much prefer an execute
proven ocean
no one said cd spec
narrow pasture
i feel like outlaw has always had great pacing and the fix to the flat damage profile should be interactions within the kit itself isntead of adding cds
glass mortar
yes
proven ocean
useless above 25% hp
hasty warren
if at least outlaw had good average damage
glass mortar
i definitly said we'd do zero damage outside the big cd u want to give us
even once in this conversation
gj reading zeross 
narrow pasture
fury is fun as an execute spec
proven ocean
u just make shit up of things i never said
glass mortar
fury is fun as an execute spec
yea fury is what id use as my example
the gameplay changes noticably in execute
in a fun way
but ur damage doesnt like spike
u gain a bit in execute
its not huge
fervent vessel
ive never enjoyed pressing ks in any iteration
The only time I have enjoyed pressing KS was during Dino boss in Undermine to jump above healers on meters
Absolutely nothing for actual gameplay
glass mortar
the cost is u do a lil bit less earlier in the fight
id love an execute like that for law
we have so many procs they could buff in execute
wouldnt even need to add a button
river wing
idk I highly enjoy how KS looks and sounds
I just wish it wasn't garbo
narrow pasture
ye, pacing is good rn
no need for more cds, especially ones like prep that are outside of restless
so clunky
wide arch
please just two charges of AR 
river wing
prep being 2 charges instead of reset would legit be so much better-feeling smh
gilded karma
gilded karma
unlucky
gleaming reef
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tight kernel
Boys aura buff Friday surely !!
normal forge
why can warlocks do such huge aoe dmg in big packs and they refuse to remove our hard cap on BF?
livid pewter
why can warlocks do such huge aoe dmg in big packs and they refuse to remove our...
Blizzard: Yes
sullen walrus
boys
last boss in voidspire
we use aoe build or st?
@vivid vessel big man
aoe or st?
untold wadi
near rock
boys
last boss in voidspire
we use aoe build or st?
for highest overall go aoe
you're just there for atrophic so it doesn't rly matter dw
frail veldt
Outlaw tier!
near rock
specifically on that boss ok relax
cinder relic
for highest overall go aoe
I think u just play st build tbqh
near rock
for prog ye
if u go aoe its 100% to pad ur brains out on the p1 adds
my guild did heroic last night and the adds were up for a good bit
cinder relic
Its not like dragons where theres actual deft value to glean
vivid vessel
You like padding tho otsda
frail veldt
who doesnt
vivid vessel
Its not like dragons where theres actual deft value to glean
I mean you play deft anywya lol
It's free
No reason to not take deft ever
glass mortar
i mean if u are max ever hitting 2 targets and only pressing BF occasionaly is deft actually free zac
does generating 2 CP outweight the energy cost
vivid vessel
Yes
glass mortar
like net positive
vivid vessel
Didn't I send you the sim
glass mortar
it literally makes BF more expensive
vivid vessel
To you litteraly
glass mortar
ok but that was a fight with perma 2 target
vivid vessel
Like 3 hours ago
What does it change
If it's Perma or sometimes
It means the cp gain is better than energy
glass mortar
tru it cant be a net negative regardless of how low uptime on BF goes if its positive on 2 i guess since its not competing with anything
2 CP must outweight the cost
loud blaze
is this the @vivid vessel I was told to watch play so I can learn positioning? If so, teach me your ways.
frail veldt
Is there a reason I never see traps on one of my characters for hunts but the other one theyre fucking everywher?
is it only certain hunts that have traps on the minimap?
glass mortar
i have always had traps on all my toons
glass mortar
some have so many i cant even disarm them all
so yea cant relate
must be a player issue
frail veldt
other one has 0
glass mortar
sometimes my monk lands and theres like 10 traps laid out around him ready to disarm
@vivid vessel u 2 or just me?
vivid vessel
Ye same bro
glass mortar
jokes aside i have not had this happen but ive only played 2 toons
check things like phasing, make sure ur alt has campaign skip finished if its max level etc
otherwise idk, i see less traps in the voidzone but i still see them
frail veldt
anyone have the command to pull the vault up
glass mortar
my old one broke, idk if theres a new one
im still waiting to catch it floating around
frail veldt
is it two hunts per week that give veteran gear?
cinder relic
yes
frail veldt
also why does it say invalid target when trying to use a trap on the prey haha
can you only use it during the ambushes not in the final fight?
mystic berry
does anyone have the stats weights updated?
glass mortar
can you only use it during the ambushes not in the final fight?
it 1 shots the npc
so yes only during ambushes lol
frail veldt
ah I see
glass mortar
could u imagine what a joke prey would be if the traps also 1 shot it as the endboss
they arent hard to come by
final pagoda
my understanding is that champ is useless
why? 263 ilvl first week
glass mortar
he meant useless as in u can spend them all right now with basically no cost
because they will be irrelevant in a week
final pagoda
ok
stray venture
HELP
frail veldt
Whats the roll the bones buff spell id?
stray venture
but i cant and i dont understand how im supposed to play
im a GAMBA addict
i need to roll and that give me dopamin
glass mortar
its like impossible to read outlaw logs its so fukt
its hard to give reviews without a vod
inland acorn
1st
glass mortar
u can type !log and post it in the thread and someone may come around and review it
stray venture
hmm
inland acorn
is turbo fucked
glass mortar
ur haste is low which is not helping yea
stray venture
worldly shale
Hiiiiii guuuuuuuuyssss
glass mortar
outlaw doesnt generally have huge mistakes, every little mistake to ur builders and spenders adds up
the issue is its very hard to track how well ur using ur builders and spenders in WCL because you cant overlay combo points with ability casts all that well
🙂
inland acorn
it just looks like you're not pressing buttons enough
either due to low haste, so not having 0.8gcd in ADR
or just slow presses
worldly shale
Yea my haste is eating me alive
inland acorn
like compared to similiar length of other log
worldly shale
But just started gearing
frail veldt
damn still cant use ellesui for outlaw
rtb icon tracks buff duration
wont track cooldown until buff is gone
so you cant tell when to roll over a stage 1 buff
polar kelp
Yea my haste is eating me alive
Chug a few coffees or energy drinks before raid, instant 2cpm increase
glass mortar
looks like u wasted an AR into the nether as well, idk if it was a mechanic or downtime or what, i havent done this fight yet
this AR specifically
stray venture
i can try to have a VOD for my next raid
glass mortar
we send AR on cd, but smartly. if you know a 10 second downtime mechanic might hit soon, or the boss has a phase/downtime about to hit
you wouldnt want to waste it unless you would get a majority of its duration in/it would be back off cd by the time the downtime ended
gilded gale
What second craft would you recommend ? Dagger or embelish boots ?
soft abyss
Which fights do we think are suited for outlaw ?
stray venture
glass mortar
it plays the same either way, the only thing that changes is whether u know its going to proc ahead of time or not
stray venture
so i can BTE on CD
glass mortar
yea the only optimization for that is if AR has a 30s or lower CD, you hold BtE for it
so you can spend your superchargers on BtE
mild vigil
if I'm at 23% haste (834), do I still need to haste flask to get over 25%, or can I let alacrity do the work?
glass mortar
flask would overcap you and ur above 20% so id probably use crit flask at that point
you could always sim if if you really wanted to
mild vigil
okay I figured as much but I wanted to ask
glass mortar
solo said it earlier, 20% is the must have, haste is still good to 25% but drops off very sharply after it
if ur over 20%, i wouldnt use consumables that are gunna overcap you on it
flat karma
Is vessel a Sim-trap or actually good? Got it in champ and it's beating all raid trinkets for me
glass mortar
straight to jail
apparently its like antenna but the poops dont come to u
u gotta run over them
so sounds very stinky to me
mild vigil
and you can't actually track the buff on your CDM
glass mortar
try it out urself, if ur picking them all up it should be accurate to its sims
mild vigil
so if you want to see what stacks you're at, you have to look at your actual buff bar
glass mortar
trinkets like that with no WA to let u know they are spawned sound pretty cringe tho
restive mango
I tried it. i cant see them. my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
flat karma
Aw shiet. We'll I'll give it a spin atleast and see
mild vigil
it also makes no noise when you pick them up
good luck hearing the sound queue when it pops up too
practically silent
especially in a raid fight
flat karma
I melee strafe hard af either way so maybe it will work out
tribal cosmos
thorny zinc
I got that in hero and havent equipped it once
echo tapir
does the crucible trinket work in all dungeons as well?
thorny zinc
seems so troll
glass mortar
the crucible trinket works everywhere, the bonus buffs from the world upgrade only work on dungeons and raids in the void zone
allegedly
that is our current best info
echo tapir
ah ty
glass mortar
u can turn them on/off in raidbots
near rock
https://imgur.com/6fnuhW0
straight jackpottin my shi rn
normal aurora
Hey folks, why do we open with dispatch instead of BTE?
glass mortar
to apply slice and dice
otherwise "good" luck could lead to you not applying it for 10-20s as you get BtE procs, and with bloodlust in the opener that would be a substantial loss
SnD is very strong especially during lust
normal aurora
aaaah totally forgot about that, thanks 🙂
echo tapir
so the crucible prolly isnt the best in all the other content
i didnt think about that
glass mortar
ye
random stirrup
the crucible trinket works everywhere, the bonus buffs from the world upgrade on...
they work on all instances
not just void zone ones
glass mortar
that would be new info to me but if u got it from somewhere then sure
im just going based off what ive seen guy say
and the tooltip stuff on the trinket
random stirrup
i had 2 goats test it for me with different upgrade levels in murder row
also i had 80% uptime on the buff on chim
thick coyote
Feels bad to have had to get gear but finally got the ?? down on outlaw
glass mortar
i mean its base rppm was like 4 or something it was quite high
but i have done no testing on it so i will defer to u
echo tapir
it would be easier and make more sense that way
random stirrup
i mean its base rppm was like 4 or something it was quite high
mm ye ill just say our goon procced it in murder row, noted the amount of crit it gave, went to upgrade the intensity of the voidlust thing, went back in and procced it again and it gave 80 more crit
it's a good trinket
glass mortar
yea thats a better check
good coms
itll prob get outscaled due to ilvl cap at some point but seems strong
eternal hound
Okay maybe this was meant to be
eternal hound
First hunt I do on my rogue I get the off hand dagger
frail veldt
Anyone have an issue where the gravedigger refund is SUPER delayed in raid?
is that just a server issue?
elder sonnet
heart of wind doesn't sim alot not sure why
glass mortar
its a haste proc
temporary haste amps are generally pretty bad for outlaw
you like haste for consistent energy gen and for GCD reduction in AR, neither of which you get from an rng haste buff
not consistently enough to sim well anyway
fathom bramble
is that just a server issue?
refund is on impact so bigger targets have a longer delay since you are further from their impact area
frail veldt
refund is on impact so bigger targets have a longer delay since you are further ...
LOL
thats
so fucking dumb
holy
it was on the bathtub boss
fathom bramble
yep
frail veldt
it was literally longer than the gcd
glass mortar
oh thats very funny
fathom bramble
bigger boss mroe delay
frail veldt
how are they so fundamentally bad at designing abilities
glass mortar
why would they code it that way
fathom bramble
idk why it isn't on spend instead of impact
ace is on spend...
ruthlessness has always been on spend too
glass mortar
oh wait someoen in pvp the other day was yapping about trying to double up on BtE damage by BtEing from max range with apex up, then grappling in and BtEing the reset so they both hit at once
this design prevents that kind of degenerate (funny) behavior
maybe thats why
normal forge
@vivid vessel doing raids on sub or law?
vivid vessel
law
glass mortar
if zac does normal and HC raids as anything but law its so over for us
fathom bramble
oh wait someoen in pvp the other day was yapping about trying to double up on Bt...
pretty sure this is still possible with the delay
vivid vessel
will prolly go sin or sub on for last boss tomorrow
fathom bramble
you just have to wait to hit the 2nd bte until you get the refund
or time it properly
harder, but not impossible
glass mortar
it wouldnt be exactly as it hits yea
the idea would be to 1 tap people
but u could get them pretty close together prob
i think ud need fast grapple to do it tho
this grapple is as slow as the projectile so
hardy vault
do we have to physically pick up shit from the floor for Vessel of Tortured Souls?
fervent garden
@zac you streaming yet?
heavy shadow
Is the KiR on the assumption you get 2+ or something?
hardy vault
i kinda cba playing trinkets like that
heavy shadow
I would have thought save for +3/4
vivid vessel
@zac you streaming yet?
ye now lets go
glass mortar
Is the KiR on the assumption you get 2+ or something?
yes its a blueprint not the exact things to press everytime
well you will always get 2+ because u have loaded dice
and u kir on 2+
the only time u delay kir in the opener is if ur doubling up on loaded dice (have prep)
there is no prep in that image
shell fossil
its weird cause petrified roots aren't even that spensive
glass mortar
it probably has more to do with the limiting factor for higher rank enchants still being concentration then the raw cost of mats?
gusty topaz
do we have to physically pick up shit from the floor for Vessel of Tortured Soul...
Yeah there’s a purple thing that’ll spawn next to you
Grab it for the primary stat buff
hardy vault
Yeah there’s a purple thing that’ll spawn next to you
gonna be very nice to see in melee camp
keen belfry
pick your champion
placid ocean
the only time u delay kir in the opener is if ur doubling up on loaded dice (hav...
You can do that?
glass mortar
i believe that is the optimal play if u get a 2 buff in the opener with prep
heavy shadow
can you explain what using prep does here?
keen belfry
mhm
using prep means u are gonna press AR before your rtb buff expires
meaning u will have another loaded dice
meaning why extend a 2 buff if you can reroll with loaded dice again and maybe extend a 3 or 4 buff
vivid vessel
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
glass mortar
can you explain what using prep does here?
what awangangangangang said
if ur prepping in the opener and u have KiR, what exactly is that first KiR on a 2 buff roll even doing
you already have 1 minute of guarenteed 2 buffs (first AR LD, then second AR LD)
heavy shadow
Ahh ok makes sense cheers
btw the ring enchant, eyes of eagle, both say 1%. Is the cheap one just as good?
fathom bramble
I was looking at the spelldata for these the other day and it looks like they are 0.75 and 1.25(I think)
leaden sonnet
Yep
gilded gale
How much target to swap on AOE talent tree ? Like on the 3 paladins boss, which one do I play ?
mighty pivot
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glass mortar
worldly shale
Should i be getting that trink from void dudes
glass mortar
probably it seems like its pretty gud
formal thunder
IS Undreamt God's Oozing Vestige bugged? It doesn't seem to explode if the enemy dies
tiny onyx
@near rock congrats on your parses! I'm going to try running prep as well do you generally use it during the pull after your first ADR?
near rock
yeah but I try to time it right after blade rush and between the eyes for max value
tiny onyx
Gotcha, but generally like within the first 1 minute of your pull vs mid-way etc
and then you use it probably by the time 2nd pot comes up?
near rock
yeah you want to use it asap
in heroic a lot of fights are lengthy so you want to squeeze in as many preps as you can
tiny onyx
I tried using that draught potion you use, but I find myself getting silenced at time for being in the pool
do you just generally keep moving when you have that pot running?
near rock
Uhh yeah the pool spawns under you but you have 1-2 seconds to move out before the silence kicks in
gotta stare at your feet a bit
it is annoying until you're used to it though
tiny onyx
gotcha, thanks
remote flame
Sporasaur special gulf of memory until darkway is out
heavy shadow
Is using AR on pull, pulling the boss?
mellow dagger
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fossil lintel
We need a polymarket bet for "will outlaw be mentioned in the next tuning", so that I can at least make some money when it doesn't happen
worthy surge
we need rogue buffs
feral elm
Are we supposed to play around Deadly Pursuit or just let it kinda happen naturally?
keen belfry
Are we supposed to play around Deadly Pursuit or just let it kinda happen natura...
it doesnt do anything so dont play around it
feral elm
10-4
shy meteor
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
crimson scarab
quick question, when I use a fleeting lights potential potion, its effect is shown behinf my main CD manager, any idea from which addon it is and how I can move it or integrate it within ayije?
dusty horizon
void embellishment or focusing iris? cant sim it cause iris is not on the sim list
dusty horizon
makes sense then
mighty pivot
is prismatic iris still an annoying beam for 4s like it was on beta? I would take a dps loss not to see that
gaunt phoenix
Prismatic iris is about 0.7% dps, i believe the weapon embellishments are slightly more
but then it just comes down to weapon vs ring
prisma lantern
Can OL even proc it?
Iirc it's got a ton of haste, might be bis anyway.
turbid wren
I'm too big of a goblin to not take the 200k honestly
zinc briar
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
zinc briar
can someone giveme the macro of tricks to role tank?
leaden sonnet
!tricks
ornate heathBOT
near rock
I did
vivid vessel
ah nvm
near rock
stood in a hammer with cloak and died
craggy barn
brutal
near rock
heroic is for limit testing
vivid vessel
ye
i tried to cloak the heal thing
doesnt work either
absorb heal
also i discovered that i cant see my health with my ui
when i have an absorb
very good
near rock
me and the other rogue in my guild agreed that cloak felt pretty worthless in raid
craggy barn
does mortal strike effects work on dragon fight
vivid vessel
me and the other rogue in my guild agreed that cloak felt pretty worthless in ra...
good on the fear
from drake
also you can dwarf the debuffs on paladinx boss
pretty good aswell
!
craggy barn
dwarf op
vivid vessel
me and the other rogue in my guild agreed that cloak felt pretty worthless in ra...
idk how you felt but
i felt pretty squishy on some things
worn patrol
hey, does anyone know what kind of talent page i am suppose to use in council fights?
vivid vessel
paladin was a little weird, but i guess thats cause i have no idea when i should feint
but drake
orbs
even feinting the orbs
can get spicy
crimson scarab
i did MH sword and feet
plush grove
got it
prisma lantern
i felt pretty squishy on some things
I feel pretty squishy in heroic TBH, and that's with subs extra DR.
craggy barn
its all bc we abandoned vers
glass mortar
(And blizzard nerfed our tankiness)
fathom bramble
a ton of other classes have also gained passive tankiness over the last 2 expacs
hell every class in the game except rogue and monk have %stam in their class tree
craggy barn
we have cheat so its all good
prisma lantern
Meanwhile DKs just be standing in shit without their health bar moving. 😂
dire rampart
what are ppl simming rn for patchwerk 5min
craggy barn
52k ish at ~250
dire rampart
raid buffed?
craggy barn
yea, i have to check what i last simmed
wintry solar
Meanwhile DKs just be standing in shit without their health bar moving. 😂
And look good doing it
dire rampart
just tryna gauge, at 255 rn and simming 66.1k
civic zephyr
Hello Outlaw Rouges!! I gotta question. Its my first season playing DPS and your spec is the one i chose and ngl i love shooting the guns, but i do have a question is there a way to track/know when between the eyes is going to reset or is that like 100% reactionary?
cinder relic
You have 2 passives
Gravedigger is scripted, at 6 stacks it always refunds
and then theres ace up your sleeves, which is just a chance to reset
civic zephyr
Okay so 1 we can time and the other is reaction, got it how are you guys tracking gravedigger? Because right now i'm wasting pistol shots on resets where it gives full combo points back due to spell queuing.
cinder relic
U can just track the buff
civic zephyr
oh, okay thanks. let me go play with that real quick on some target dummies.
cinder relic
np gamer
civic zephyr
Ah okay i see so i know i will be casting 2 every single time whenever gravedigger is at 6 stacks otherwise i'll need to sinister strike/pistol shot to get the other combo points on a rando reset.
cinder relic
yerr
civic zephyr
2 ezzz okay tysm
When is it safe to run this talent for bosses in the raid? We hit heroic last night and i did quite a bit of post raid log comparisons to TonyBologna and i noticed they were doing way more dps to the adds that spawn then i do. Is that because of this or are they just better at getting over to them than i am? Also do we ever save adrenaline rush or blade rush/between the eyes if we know ads are spawning and is there like a hold it for up to 5 seconds or something like that?
glass mortar
br u can hold if u wanna be cute but it probably doesnt matter
also dont hold it once u get tier
deft u can kinda talent whenever u want to, zac thinks u should just take it anytime a fight has aoe because its free
its not competing with real dps talents
just take the point out of deadly pursuit
civic zephyr
Okay so i'ma play like i have tier and never hold then i want consistancy at this point. Okay that helps quite a bit i'll just swap those two talents depending on single target or aoe, there seems to be alot of spawnage this raid imo..
glass mortar
i mean we have a rule in the FaQ
its for holding based on energy not amount of adds tho
and its only relevant without tier iirc
which means itll probably be back next season
river wing
that's very strange seeing as tier is all about BR
glass mortar
and its only relevant without tier iirc
.
fathom bramble
hard to squeeze any value out of a 4% tierset
civic zephyr
lol
glass mortar
its not a complex rule or anything tho its basically just "dont BR if you will overcap energy during the gcd"
safer to just ignore it to practice for tier before u even have it probably
civic zephyr
Do we think we will see any changes next week in the buffs/nerfs patch?
glass mortar
which is a pretty decent spot for a pure dps class to be in herioc week
blizzard doesnt tend to let pure dps not have at least one good spec
river wing
we should but there's basically no guarantee
civic zephyr
yeah i am worried outlaw will not get buffed and only sub will bc its more popular
and ngl i have no clue how to play any other spec so i'm praying we get something
glass mortar
cant know
civic zephyr
and i dont have a dagger so that also makes it tough.
limpid kayak
might be stupid but i feel energy starved sometimes and idk waht im doing wrong xD
civic zephyr
i only feel that way when i forget to roll my dice
glass mortar
the assumption would be that since the devs design the game they understand that subs tier set is worth 3-4X the value of the other specs, so it wouldnt need as much of a buff as the other specs for tuning, but all 3 specs could use a buff
river wing
might be stupid but i feel energy starved sometimes and idk waht im doing wrong ...
haste %?
glass mortar
the more realistic thing based on past tuning is they will buff all 3 specs by similar amounts if they are doing similar in logs, then sub will own the tier because they will all equip their tier sets and become thanos
impossible to tell tho just gotta wait for notes
normal forge
are u guys like top dmg auto attack?
cinder relic
I genuinely cant imagine caring
civic zephyr
river wing
are u guys like top dmg auto attack?
well, usually something is above autos for me
civic zephyr
that is vorasius kill last night
glass mortar
ive had dungeons where my breakdown was BtE > dispatch > melee and the reverse
river wing
but it's close to the top
glass mortar
and honestly my overall wasnt even that different
theres more damage variance in the profile when ur low gear then usual because our base crit rate is much lower now
and crit is still super important for BtE damage
as you gear up and get more crit bte should consitently be at the top tho
river wing
yeah BtE will eventually want 40% crit but that's like S3 numbers without hurting other stats
river wing
not really im at like 37% crit 24% haste
fr? is that raid buffed or just solo?
worthy surge
thats solo
glass mortar
u dont gain as much secondaries as u think between seasons but i expect we will get to have some vers in s2
worthy surge
personal consumables
river wing
damn
river wing
I think I'm like 28% crit 22% haste
civic zephyr
on wowhead it says we want like 25% haste, is that buffed or unbuffed?
river wing
but I have lots of rubbish mastery gear so maybe that's the problem
glass mortar
20% haste minimum 25% is a goal
river wing
on wowhead it says we want like 25% haste, is that buffed or unbuffed?
well since you can't count on those buffs outside of raid (like if you'll do M+), that'd better be the default, haste isn't that bad even after cap
river wing
but 20% is like required for energy to not feel shit occasionally
worthy surge
at around 22% haste crit starts to outweigh haste till you get to soft cap
civic zephyr
im at 14% no flask atm. i need to work on that.
glass mortar
thats including consumables but im not sure what u mean by buffs
i dont think there is any raid haste buffs, temp buffs dont count toward the caps
flask can help u get to it yea
civic zephyr
i guess i mean just flasks for the buffs lol
waxen scarab
!log\
glass mortar
it is including flask
vivid vessel
@cinder relic
civic zephyr
yeah im only at 17% with a flask
glass mortar
guys zac is afking all the trash...
is our represntation washed......
how do i get in contact with this guys gm
cinder relic
I know I have this perception that I say outlaw is good every tier
But realistically speaking, it hasn't been this good in awhile
glass mortar
unhinged behavior
cinder relic
The people who "play outlaw" are makint it look good (for rogue)
glass mortar
i feel like we were pretty strong s2 tbf but we had uh
vivid vessel
The people who "play outlaw" are makint it look good (for rogue)
i genuily thing
glass mortar
a handicap
glass mortar
lets say
cinder relic
zac did you know that Unholy DK got a hotfix, 25% buff
vivid vessel
no cap
cinder relic
UDK is bad for 32 hours
vivid vessel
zac did you know that Unholy DK got a hotfix, 25% buff
ye bro ..
cinder relic
Gets a hotfix 25% buff
vivid vessel
i know ..
glass mortar
well guy
cinder relic
?
glass mortar
idk if u saw
silk dirge
We could even be in for a buff for that reason
river wing
25%????
glass mortar
but the reddit unholy dk guy was threatening to close the discord
so blizzard had no choice
but to rip off the bandaid
silk dirge
Crafting sword on mythic tuning subscribe
leaden sonnet
Gets a hotfix 25% buff
Yeah it was doing rogue damage, so emergency buff was required
river wing
fuckin' hell
vivid vessel
you know how big 25% is ?
cinder relic
vivid vessel
usually the difference between bottom and top spec in wcl
midnight granite
When rogue buffs
vivid vessel
is about 15%
river wing
meanwhile I'm sitting here hoping for maybe 7% for Outlaw and 10% for Assa, tops
leaden sonnet
Actually thats only 22%
silk dirge
Eh
silk dirge
Anytbing around 10% and we will be pretty strong
cinder relic
<a:peepoNerd:952656250154385499> Actually thats only 22% <a:peepoNerd:9526562501...
I was saying 25% cuz I did that math on a DK in our guild, and he gained 25% DPS
But yeah, for this sim specifically, 22% buff
Genuinely, mind blowing
How is ur spec "bad" for like, 30 hours
and u get a hotfix 22-25%
craggy barn
beneficial bug fixes
cinder relic
Like are we okay?
craggy barn
and damage buffs
fathom bramble
I hope they give unholy absolute whiplash with a 10% nerf on the reset
glass mortar
chatgpt tuning idk, the wacky numbers arent whats so wild to me, its how quick the turnaround was
wintry solar
Shout-out to the time they said they're doing incremental tuning
glass mortar
raid hasnt even been out for 3 days
rocky canopy
im glad im not the only one mad about that lol that was silly, really screams unholy is blizzards golden child. rogue has never gotten an EMERGENCY HOTFIX BUFF! like wtf? are you serious lol
cinder relic
If it was; "We overnerfed DK by a lot, we plan to change them in the upcoming tier set"
I wouldnt care
I'd roll my eyes, whatever, DK "is bad" just give them a buff
But like
HOTFIX???/
HOT FIX 25???
Whaaaaaat
rocky canopy
SOUND THE ALARM
craggy barn
yea
glass mortar
xd
rocky canopy
UNHOLYS BAD EMERGENCY HOTFIX BUFF RED ALERT
cinder relic
EMERGENCY
prisma lantern
DK/mage/rogue.
craggy barn
LFG
cinder relic
I'm not crashing out im chilling