outlaw

[hardy vault]

guys what do we craft?

[normal forge]

Товарищ!

[lapis beacon]

How are we at ST at the moment?
Sometimes feels bad when you roll a 1 or even 2

[normal forge]

they hotfixed the low RTB chances

[unique fulcrum]

any delve trinket good for us?

[normal forge]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-tuning-duck-toys-and-performance-issue-fixes-midnight-season-1-hotfixes-380837?utm_source=discord-webhook

where is the guy that was complaining about Sleight of Hand not working?

he was right, kinda

[still matrix]

I need someone to just tell me fastest way to level valeera

So I can go back with her literally thiccc as shit and watch her dome him with 1 hand

[slim hare]

grudge pit run collect xp exit repeat

[vivid vessel]

[slim hare]

damn

nicee one zac

[trim tiger]

were there any updates on what the best first crafts are or is that still just whats in the faq

[hardy vault]

delve?

[vivid vessel]

ye map

[slim hare]

zac you can kite the cast from adds in intermission it has 15 yards range

[vivid vessel]

what cast

i just get one shot by melees

[slim hare]

adds do a cast for an attack

but if melee already destroy us its pointless

just a guildie told me he could do that

[vivid vessel]

well basically

for starter rn i cant do it as outalw cause i dont lose agro in between rezes

as sub you can rez > dance to lose agro

so that works

but for adds

even with blades coming into them

[blissful idol]

How is the delve called ?

[vivid vessel]

i cant kill them in time

not even close

and then when she dies with 2 adds + boss

i cant rezz

[formal thunder]

keep getting killed just after Val is back up cause aggro doesn't transfer instantly

which makes sense, still sad

[vivid vessel]

yes

you need to do it as sub

if you wanna try

dance reset agro

[formal thunder]

I have never touched sub in my life

I'm not starting now

no hall of fame for me

but no biggie

[still matrix]

Apparently patched

Did you do it as sub zac?

Might give that a go then after my preys

[vivid vessel]

i mean

i tried

still not possible for me

i cant kill adds fast enough

and i get one shot by 2 autos

[zinc briar]

so

im checking logs

now we are the worst class

but not only outlaw, subt and assa also sux

[vivid vessel]

sub gain 10% more than outlaw and assa with tier set

[gaunt rover]

is it inefficient crest-wise to craft with hero crests this week and recraft with mythic ones next week

[bleak storm]

Very nice. Thank you so much Zac. Do you still use Bigwigs with the same profile btw, or?

[vivid vessel]

bit different

will update

[bleak storm]

Nice, Thanks!

[summer badge]

i already crafted a sword because i thought i would only play outlaw, but now i kinda wanna play both outlaw and sub, do i craft a dagger too or still craft an armor piece with arcanoweave and get a second dagger somewhere else?

[vivid vessel]

how come i dont see anything

[unique fulcrum]

did everyone get a 259 from delves?

cuz i didnt:(

[vivid vessel]

its from a map

[lilac lion]

I think i stand with Outlaw in my CE guild. Boss dmg on LFR seems decent

[vivid vessel]

you need to keep doing delves till you drop one

i got mine after the 4th bountiful

actually did 6 delves before dropping it

[unique fulcrum]

ah nvm i got a 259 im silly

u can only get one map, right

[vivid vessel]

y

[dense bramble]

is there a website or something where i can see how many guilds / players have cleared raid on heroic mode?

[lilac lion]

3. Boss Without consumables crap OH and even shitier trinkets its fine i think

47.5k is decent. Sim tells me 48.3k

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[lilac lion]

But yeah you need to work for your dmg compare to DH or Pala

[unkempt dew]

Nothing wrong with that

[vivid vessel]

this is ust for while you are in the zone right

or

like do i need to do that to use that trinket in raid and shit

[lilac lion]

Yeah just Show them whos the Real Pirate

We dont need tuned spells and Meta just rawr work like Pirates

Just give me my Dices and a Pistol i take care of it

[crimson niche]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=251787/sealed-chaos-urn got this fron delve map, since cloak doesn't block the fear it's practically useless for st? Or just send it and hope no mechs target you when horrified?

[tropic zephyr]

!ui

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[vivid vessel]

you can just not loot from the world boss?

[vivid vessel]

iu thought it was garanted loot tho

[atomic dirge]

Can we do the second Craft 259 yet?

[sterile dune]

Issue is if ur not using spells i right order or if u are not usinf spells every gcd as soon at it comes up

Ur dmg tanks sooo much

Outlaw gets punished a lot cuz its high apm spec

[hardy vault]

so how exactly do i get one of those delve maps

5k undercoins kinda much

[sterile dune]

Even just position wrong so u get bad uptime on ur aoe cleave is so punishibg. UH dk doesnt have this issue

[oblique flicker]

If you do 3 nightmare hunt weekly its guaranteed from there

[hardy vault]

clever

ty

OR he just randomly appears

good

[crimson scarab]

is it possible to craft a weapon with heroic crests this week?

[hardy vault]

i think the clever play is to craft 259 weapon

and then just upgrade them with myth crests next week

wait why did i just randomly loot ilvl 44 gloves?

[zinc briar]

my pet does that dps

and the double if i go mm

[balmy topaz]

[unique fulcrum]

crafting 2 items this week is not int, right

on 259

[lilac lion]

yeah and let me guess you play with 1 hand and blindfolded?

on a Racing wheel.

[gleaming reef]

!fu

[atomic dirge]

I think is ok, then recraft with myth crest

[gleaming reef]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[still matrix]

What are actual ways to get hc crests pre-raid

the raid delve boss

and some preys?

[silent flint]

Only seeing this now cause it was SO late for me (4am LMAO)

My ilvl is 253

[lucid sparrow]

sims say acuity of ren'dorei

wowhead says berserkers rage or jan'alai enchant

y would you not suggest the primary stat enchant on wowhead

[normal quail]

has anyone tweaked the build for raid to be more cleave?

[vivid vessel]

or directly the m+ build

[thick valve]

Has anyone had a problem with Beacon of Hope? I’m at the Restoration Stone and I can’t summon the boss.

[lilac lion]

I prefere both bcs Low haste

[vivid vessel]

but if you are constantly having to refresh bf

you mighjt awell play the m+ buiold directly

[hardy vault]

i'm stuck IN the wall

gj blizz

[lilac lion]

Its the New spell. SHADOWMELT

[keen belfry]

It happened late last night too I was bricking it at like 5pm with her level 18, leveled her to 23 and she was noticeably weaker

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

[glass mortar]

did u get ur title awangangang

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cSzcrDxDo8o8EUvycq47s6

[glass mortar]

did zac get it

[vivid vessel]

the 2nd ace point does litteraly nothing ?

xd

[glass mortar]

its 2 CP bro what do u want me to say

it doesnt even impact how many finishers u press between ACEs like 80% of the time

why would it be good dps

[still matrix]

Is it worth spending hero crests on MH Wep craft?

[glass mortar]

so gross what they did to ace

[vivid vessel]

oh wait this is aoe not just st ye

[glass mortar]

185k st sim

[vivid vessel]

its 3 target aoe

b ut ye

pressing bf less is more value

[keen belfry]

No 🙁

She was dying so much last night

[glass mortar]

if it makes u feel any better the whole premise was poisoned from the start by them not balancing it even remotely between roles

or doing role based HoF

me when HoF delves every season is 95% tanks

[keen belfry]

Boss literally 2 autos me

[vivid vessel]

It's not doable rn as outlaw imo

[glass mortar]

last expac outlaw woulda smashed it

no more tho

[vivid vessel]

Or well mine is level 18

15 sorry

And it's not doable

I think I can do it as sub but like

[still matrix]

if you just want it for crests

[vivid vessel]

Need luck

[still matrix]

do it with a tank in ur guild

[vivid vessel]

And same

It's giga cringe

[keen belfry]

I got boss to like, 21% as lvl 20 valeera

[glass mortar]

what u dont like getting autod to death being the difficulty benchmark as a melee

[keen belfry]

But it was pure rng

[glass mortar]

me when tanks ignore mechanics and dont need to care about the bosses autos but dps get autod to death

should be the opposite way around

[vivid vessel]

But there is no mechanics

the boss is litteraly a dummy

i have rarely seen a boss with as little mechanic as this one

its actually baffling

kinda like they saw the success of the one in s3 tww

and decided to go the absolute complete opposite?

like even the s2 tww or whastever it was had more mechanics

[glass mortar]

or they just like s1 stuff to be a joke

[vivid vessel]

i dont really get this one im ngl

but wdym a joke

[glass mortar]

or maybe they were throttling down their expectations for player ability with the removal of addons

[vivid vessel]

there is nothing but autos

and one kick

thats all

nothing else

i mean bro

[errant field]

In raid yesterday have no idea why but my auto dmg was so high on my damage distribution. Was depressing

[glass mortar]

because they upped like all melees passive damage sources including ours by a massive amount

MG and autos should be pretty significant amounts of ur damage, similar to actual abilities

its another way of reducing the punishment for hitting the wrong buttons as melee

also haste past the haste we take for AR tax does basically nothing for our dps but inflate autos higher, so they will be super high during lust or haste amps

[errant field]

If they put an emphasis on autos and haste would it be viable to get into mastery? For the passive MG hits

[glass mortar]

no mastery is our worst stat

but just follow sims

[leaden sonnet]

The 4000 thing filling up before people get home from work is hilarious though

[vivid vessel]

:D

[frigid gorge]

yall got your Hall of Fame achievement yet?

[keen belfry]

thats why i dont like it, i dont feel im getting skill checked im meleed to death

look bro shes lvl 21 in this picture, dead at 94%

she was dying SO fast last night

[vivid vessel]

ye i know

its always you get stat checked

or she dies inside the boss and you cant click

or she stand afk in piuddle

or ytou get critted

idk

just cringe

[keen belfry]

so she CAN crit? i had some autos where she one shotme basically

[vivid vessel]

yes lol

:D

[blissful idol]

Can the map drop from normal delve or it has to be bountiful?

[keen belfry]

does that say 1HP?

one auto btw

[glass mortar]

have either of u tried brann

unironically

maybe his coding is less jank for this challenge

[lucid coral]

Hello! My name is Thallafaan-Aerie Peak US. I just started playing outlaw this tier. Sadly but unsurprisingly I’m at the bottom of the meters. Are there folks who help new players review raid logs for assistance?

[vivid vessel]

its the add no ?

not even boss

[keen belfry]

why tf did the add turn and swing on me

[glass mortar]

thats what it does if u dont kill it before boss finishes his channel i thot

[vivid vessel]

eh its prolly boss actually

he just has long arms

[glass mortar]

honestly would need to see ur combat log tho because it doesnt make sense the boss autos u for 300k damage then his next auto hits u for 30k

unless he has some stacking, consumed increase to self damage

[keen belfry]

and am i supposed to be bable to kill that add before the channel

like aint no way

[glass mortar]

well

only if u wanna avoid it autoing u i think

[vivid vessel]

bro dw about it

[glass mortar]

but ive only seen it from tank PoV so

and they dont care about sheeeeet

[vivid vessel]

the fight is cringe

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

and its not even rewarding

i legit do not even wanna do it

[glass mortar]

30 uncapped crest zac....

[frigid gorge]

Its pretty ez thou

[vivid vessel]

ye well

[glass mortar]

thats alot......

[vivid vessel]

i will do it in a grp or whtever

[glass mortar]

level ur monk

do it as brm

is a joke

[vivid vessel]

sure bro

you either did it on na before hotfix

or you have level 200 valeera

or you play something else than rogue

[frigid gorge]

What the hotfix do? Wasn't awake for that

[keen belfry]

u could do it as sub a before the hotfix

[vivid vessel]

valeera dies :D

[frigid gorge]

RIP lol

[vivid vessel]

my valeera can stay alive about 20s before i need to rez her i think

its pretty cool

rez simulator

i see 2 ways of being able to do it as rogue rn

you need to be sub tho

and its still mega cringe rng

but sub can drop agro after rezzing wiht dance so

in theory you can do it infinitly

if you can get the rez before getting one shot

which is okish under feint elus

i say ok ish cause i bet if you get critted its gg

i have seen some close calls

also if you cant kill the adds before boss comes back its gg aswell

tho having high valeera will help

im sure at the end of the week when we have a valeera on steroid it will be fine

[frigid gorge]

and ye, I managed to clear it 3hrs 27mins after patch dropped

[vivid vessel]

on na?

[frigid gorge]

Ye

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frigid gorge]

That's crazy thou

Hotfix to nerf Valeera

[vivid vessel]

did your valeera even die

[frigid gorge]

Nope

[vivid vessel]

xd

[frigid gorge]

I had her face tank Nullaeus for me

at the very end

[vivid vessel]

mine cant last 30s

:D

[frigid gorge]

because it was simply not possible as Outlaw to survive 130k - 180k swings

that were sped up

[vivid vessel]

wdym

you tanked the boss the whole fight ?

[frigid gorge]

from 100% -> 25%

I tanked

[vivid vessel]

i mean they must have changed that aswell

[frigid gorge]

and built up Valeera's threat with Tricks

[vivid vessel]

cause boss legit 2 shot me

tanking it full is barely possible

[frigid gorge]

then at 18%, swapped aggro with her by Vanishing

[glass mortar]

it seems they r playing catchup a bit to make the challenge more challenging

unfortunatly it appears to only be impacting dps trying it

[vivid vessel]

"challenging"

[glass mortar]

and they decided to do it after HoF already filled up

good job blozzard

[vivid vessel]

how much of a stat check can it be

:D

[keen belfry]

what should i craft today before first raid @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

fight got no mechanic

:D

[vivid vessel]

dont ask me

[glass mortar]

the mechanic is grind out more gear and a higher valeera so u dont die to her autos in 20 seconds

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel what should i craft today?

[glass mortar]

😎

[fervent garden]

Hey @keen belfry what are you using for that? Showing Crests and all the extra stuff on C.

[keen belfry]

chonky addon

[frigid gorge]

I did do a few things to make it survivable, Worldsoul Aegis x2 enchants, Crucible trinket for 2% leech despite it sucking, taking Mantle of Stars + Overflowing Voidsphere, Elusiveness over Cheat Death

[fervent garden]

cool thanks. I've been looking for a replacement to ElvUI extra windtools or whatnot shit

[frigid gorge]

Atrophic Poison, and ran Grand Melee over Summarily Dispatched

[proven ocean]

Offhand noob

(I dont play atm)

[keen belfry]

im thinking sword + ring

[proven ocean]

Weapon>everything

Unless ur in splits and they’ll milk ur ass on mythic

[keen belfry]

im the gm of a shit guild we dont splits

[proven ocean]

Ye weapon then

Whats the ilvl

Of wep

[keen belfry]

and crating a sword is no brainer cuz u can just recraft

259 weap costs only spark, no crests

[proven ocean]

U can recraft it to dagger?

Or what

[keen belfry]

no no u can just recraft the moment u get myth crests

the only cost is gold

[proven ocean]

I mean ofcourse u can

What

Thought there was a new system

U noob or

[keen belfry]

iirc, we never had crests this early right?

[proven ocean]

Ye u are why me ask

[keen belfry]

or sparks*

[proven ocean]

Gnawa

The only way to get better is to constantly find ways to get better

[keen belfry]

like nobody crafted crestless shit before unless im just forgetting

[proven ocean]

Be the person who they ask

And not the person who asks

If u dont constantly improve you’ll never get good

Been seeing you on the same spot for years u need to change that

[keen belfry]

im the goat now zeross

every since TWW S2

[proven ocean]

Ye ur ego wont help

[keen belfry]

the goat with no ego*

right?

@glass mortar

[proven ocean]

[keen belfry]

u saw nothing

[proven ocean]

Ye cuz theres nothing to look at

[keen belfry]

but zeross creating a CE guild > rising the guild ranks, trust

[proven ocean]

Creating a guild is the only way to stay at the bottom

[glass mortar]

yea awang is him now

replaced zacui in all our commands

better bars

[keen belfry]

ty

[proven ocean]

U dont rly learn much from it unless u want to become a good raid leader

[glass mortar]

better frames

better person tbh

zac hates us all

wont ever share his ui with us again

[keen belfry]

i raid lead!

[proven ocean]

@bleak egret

Fuck

@vivid vessel from scale of noob to 10 how’s gnawa

Noob or

Gnawa i already told you what you have to do

[copper panther]

guys question, just got fiber hero from the delve map, i feel like its pretty good but i dont see it even metioned neither from guides or bloodmallet for outlaw trinkets, does anyone know if it decent to work with? the passive seems really good for outlaw

[proven ocean]

If u choose to ignore it its up to you, you’ll end up like everybody else

[inland acorn]

Just sim

[proven ocean]

Only reason why im giving u this advice is that u want to be one of the best but ur not at all atm

Constantly improve everytime u login look for ways to get better even when ur not fighting

[keen belfry]

am always looking to get better

[proven ocean]

Ur not trying enough

Think harder

Do u drink red bulls

Or

[keen belfry]

coffee

and sometimes raid a lil buzzed from drinks

nbd

[glass mortar]

baaaaased

[proven ocean]

Ye i see

U aint getting better with that thats fine

Atleast ur enjoying the game

[glass mortar]

highest parses i got in my life were all when i started playing in alt raid while stoned

first time i got a r1 in df

[proven ocean]

more like rank last

[glass mortar]

believe in urself awang

[proven ocean]

Thats what im doing in osrs atm

Played for less than a year and im already ahead of most players

Which would take them years

Idk schizo ur brain abit with a red bull or 2

[keen belfry]

i think rank 1ing while drunk raid leading a rank 1500 guild is peak wow

[glass mortar]

it is

it doesnt go much higher

[proven ocean]

Rank 1500 and rank 1 in the same sentence

Are u drunk

[still matrix]

I did all my bountiful delves today before i did the map

[proven ocean]

[still matrix]

can you use a map in non bountiful?

[keen belfry]

im talking parse rank!!

[glass mortar]

u know theres multiple aspects of this game that give u ranks right ross

[proven ocean]

Ye show me those ranks then

That ur talking about

[glass mortar]

yeee awang show him

ur guilds mythic ranking

rn!

for the new season

i bet u guys havent even killed a boss

[proven ocean]

[keen belfry]

i had like 4 rank 1s and like 3 rank 2s/3s! which is good

[upper hawk]

what about rank 1500ing while listening to podcasts on a rank 15000 guild?

[proven ocean]

All talk

No show

No proof

Classic awang

[keen belfry]

rank 1'd loomithar twice nbd

nbd @proven ocean gapped

[proven ocean]

Its fine awang

[wraith mist]

Is outlaw gear dependant spec?

[proven ocean]

I rank 1’ed most of them on a real spec

[upper hawk]

all specs do better with good gear

[glass mortar]

we are fairly gear dependent yes

without at least moderate haste levels your gameplay will suffer a ton

[loud blaze]

I'm wondering this too. I've done 3 delves, still no map to drop.

[glass mortar]

and your damage as well

[keen belfry]

haste dependent especially this tier

[proven ocean]

Ur proud of 1 which ur afraid of showing the log of

Respectable tho its probably outlaw that nobody plays and u got god tier rng

[upper hawk]

if you do 3 nightmare hunts you get a map thing

you can only do one map a week right?

[still matrix]

Damn you cant use champ crests on a spark item I forgot

[keen belfry]

my last enhance shamm kill was rank 1 as well in season 1 nbd (real spec)

[proven torrent]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[loud blaze]

Oh! Perfect! I've almost got those unlocked. Thank you

[proven ocean]

The moment u refused dps racing me on ptr when i was at 300-350 ping i gave up

[wraith mist]

Also is the other choice node with tempted fate bugged? Or does it just restores 300 health?

[proven ocean]

[wraith mist]

Chosens revelery

[glass mortar]

it just restores 300 health

🙂

they thought that was an appropriate number

do u not feel the healing???

[wraith mist]

Lol it can´t be right

[glass mortar]

it is

actually isnt that the buffed amount i thought it saw some tuning on ptr

like 1 tuning pass

maybe im misremembering

tbf, the talent it replaced was also a joke never even considered so

u just take the other one

[wraith mist]

alright yeah ,what was it before?

[glass mortar]

1% leech per coin stack of the same coin type u had at any given time

[loud blaze]

Who's the best outlaw content creator? I'm having issues finding PoV to think through positioning

[glass mortar]

might have been 0.5% leech actually

it was very bad

[hardy wigeon]

All the gear I got today makes me lose 4% of haste

GG

[sterile wadi]

gg

[copper radish]

any1 figure out how to g et out of combat at the end of a delve

cant loot anything and no mobs are coming for me.....

[fervent garden]

like, vanish?

[copper radish]

not on rogue lol

[fervent garden]

that gets me out of combat

ahhh

[copper radish]

cant loot the curiositys for xp

[loud blaze]

die?

[copper radish]

yeah i guess that works its already beat so dont matter lol

[proven torrent]

!guide

[ornate heath]

Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue

[hearty stump]

guys I had to go sub ive played the spec for less then a day and im already bored

send help

[unkempt dew]

@vivid vessel

[still matrix]

shindig if you mean videos I guess?

Zac streams no video i guess

[proven ocean]

I’d wait for zac to stream once m+ unlocks

Every other outlaw is microwaved

[merry elk]

Za french cheese pfp

[frigid gorge]

American Cheese microwaved Grilled Cheese

[alpine granite]

good idea to craft wep?

[waxen scarab]

whats the fastest delve?

[still matrix]

my hero piece, crit mast ring, kill me

the one in silvermoon today

is quick imo

[mystic berry]

lmao

After extensive digging I found 3 people who played outlaw as main. All the other videos are either generalists or rogues who begrudgingly had to show how outlaw plays, like shindig

cursed spec

zac is our rep

[hardy wigeon]

I mained outlaw for many seasons but no one on earth would like to see my gameplay hope that helps xo

[low glade]

lmao is gn still private logging

why bro

[untold wadi]

gamers nexus?

[low glade]

sheeeesh

[cinder relic]

The raid counts as the voidstorm so yeah u need it for raid, and nexus point too technically

[atomic dirge]

Do you think it makes sense to craft the ring with Spark and the Primastic Focusing Iris embellishment as my second item? My first craft is the sword with the Darkmoon Sigil of the Void

[hollow creek]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[proven ocean]

All current outlaw mains suck

[proven ocean]

No real gamers play outlaw anymore apart from zac

[low glade]

outlaw is cracked

[low glade]

lmao all time banger

[vivid vessel]

why is outlaw alreayd bottom tier on wcl

we just started bro

[glass mortar]

? everyone last night reported outlaw was pumping

i think u might be capping bro

[hasty warren]

buff outlaw

[glass mortar]

psure its outlaw tier

[glass mortar]

that aint even close to the bottom

theres like 3 guys under there

used to only be 1

the glowup is real

have u considered that we scale now and day 2 logs are worthless in comparison to the ancendote of people in here last night that it is, in fact, outlaw tier

i was promised and u wont keep it from me zac

[vivid vessel]

we have one of the worse tier set

4%

sub got 14

[glass mortar]

yea ok so adjust those logs up for sub by 14% and law by 4% and what do u get?

i rest my case

[vivid vessel]

hc doesnt count people cant kill last bosses

[glass mortar]

ok but this is the most user friendly version of law so at least our playrate shuld be pretty high right

new player friendly law

[hollow creek]

what is the item called now for more gems in neck and rings

[gaunt phoenix]

It's joever

[keen belfry]

its over!

[proven ocean]

didn't see it can u send it 3rd time plz

[silent flint]

It's doable just a super mega pain in the ass
Lvl 20 healer valeera, no tricks on her except for the adds when the boss phases

SUPER min max the kick on his cast so that you're eating one less auto and give valeera's HoT a chance to tick twice

Keeping one or two valeera orbs out and min maxing when you pick one up to maintain Valeera's HoT at 4 stacks

(This was last night)

[proven ocean]

wait

ur washed up?

a random outlawer did it and not you?

wtf happened zac

[blissful idol]

wasnt it easier ?

[glass mortar]

yes valeera got stealth nerfed at some point late last night

[blissful idol]

so tanks that got it and dps that got it like that doesnt count

got it

[merry elk]

Bro i cba with these easy early on and i can't play cause i got work and now it's harder. About o quit my job frfrfr

[glass mortar]

well tanks can still do it

[blissful idol]

[glass mortar]

tanks were never having valeera carry them

[vivid vessel]

last night doesnt count

[merry elk]

Revoke the titles and achievements and reset the delves

[glass mortar]

its just not tuned nearly tightly enough for any of the checks to test tanks

[blissful idol]

ye that's what i mean

if u play tank or did it as a dps yesterday i cant say gz

[glass mortar]

yea i mean its not players fault

[ashen void]

the enrage at the end hurts a little but naw it isn't hard. just have to actually look at your cooldowns

[glass mortar]

im the delve guy and the moment i was at work yesterday and before i even had lunch HoF had started filling up with 90% tanks

all excitement i had for the HoF delve nonsense died

[silent flint]

Do we know what time valeera was stealth nerfed? Just curious

[glass mortar]

blizzard failure but what r u gunna do

[blissful idol]

classic

[proven ocean]

they ruined the challenge by making it accessible for NA only

interesting

and now its unkillable

[glass mortar]

? the achievement is region locked

EU had their own 4k slots

the ruined it by making it too undertuned for non dps roles

[proven ocean]

not talking about that

[vivid vessel]

they ruined the challenge by making it not a challenge

its a target dummy

that one hsot you

it does nothing

only melees

[proven ocean]

interesting

[glass mortar]

it just autos u to death yea the mechanics r pathetic

[proven ocean]

i knew they wouldn't design a similar fight to kyveza

it was obviously a 1 time thing that it was super hard

[glass mortar]

its a bit weird tho

[proven ocean]

its rare and hard to design a solo challenge like kyveza

[glass mortar]

idk i dont remember any of these delve bosses autoing u to death

even day 1 s1 zekvir or w/e

didnt hit nearly this hard as dps

[low glade]

happy to DM it as well, just lemme know boss

[glass mortar]

s2 barely even autod

s3 obviously kyveza was mechanics gauntlet

[proven ocean]

ye dm and use it as a pfp

[vivid vessel]

im not even joking btw

the only skill mechanic there is on the fight

is htat there is a kick to do

that one shot

its not even a fast kick or anything

[proven ocean]

weird

[glass mortar]

its a kick that can be recast on a shorter timer then ranged dps kicks btw

[gaunt phoenix]

[glass mortar]

my shadow priest friend was raging last night

[proven ocean]

why do they hype everyone up by giving leaderboard based achievements and making the fight braindead tho

[low glade]

better?

[glass mortar]

i mean its free "content" to offer right

another new competition to keep players engaged

and the competition is just an achievement added to something that was already gunna exist so

[low glade]

wasn't delve boss basically afk

for healers

and tanks

[glass mortar]

low effort 🤷

[blissful idol]

i wish it was like last season where u had to dodge stuff and actually play well to win, now u just get 2 shot xdd

[merry elk]

About to quit my job to exploit early exploit often xd

[hollow creek]

do we play fatebound or trickster in m+

[glass mortar]

FB

[merry elk]

Just go coin toss rng very close

[river zenith]

hey guys, do we use Restored Coffer Key for Delve Tier 8, or we save them for higher? im reading that the loot between tier 8-11 is the same?

[glass mortar]

loot from this difficulties is the same

im not sure if the max ilvl loot u can get from delves at all this week is capped or anything like that tho

last expac we got keys we could "waste" because the top tier delves still werent giving rewards the week we got em

[river zenith]

and are the keys something you decide to use at the end of the delve?

[glass mortar]

so id double check that, but yes. ilvl wise level 8 and level 11 delves give the same

yes

u use the key to open the big loot chest

if u dont its not consumed

[river zenith]

okay, and that's optional

cool

[mystic berry]

such brotherly love, all 3 specs together

[fresh acorn]

Yeah going from kyveza peak to white swing slop was a bit of a let down

[glass mortar]

it honestly is surprising

they did not miss the mark this hard on any delve boss last expac

[mystic berry]

dw bros

s3 delve boss will be kino again

Zekvir was okay

The second one was about kicking balls

I cant even remember his name

[glass mortar]

the underboss or something

[mystic berry]

oh yeah

[stuck mountain]

but hey, no changes needed!

[glass mortar]

but yea i mean zekvir was the closest to this, it had mechanics but honestly there were only one or two hardpass/fail and his autos didnt hit even close

[mystic berry]

Keep posting these, omega buffs in the 23 coming

[stuck mountain]

I do not understand why Blizzard gives so much love to Mages, and so little love to Rogues

[fresh acorn]

I thought this boss was better than the undermine one

Probably a similar level of Zekvir

[mystic berry]

Just like a mother has favoured sons

Blizzard has favoured classes

dk, mage and druid for example

[stuck mountain]

its both crazy and obvious

[glass mortar]

maybe it was before they nerfed valeera

rn u pretty much get stat checked and die to auto attacks anytime u try to fight it

[stuck mountain]

when's the last time a mage spec wasn't at the top of these rankings

[glass mortar]

and if valeera is tanking she dies to autos in like 20 seconds

[fresh acorn]

I mean I did it post Valeera nerf and still have the sentiment

I didn’t even tricks her

[glass mortar]

how do u live the 150k autos then?

[viscid shuttle]

is pin viable for dungeons and raids too? about trinket

[fresh acorn]

I sat next to the pots

If I saw my health go down I moved

[glass mortar]

interesting sounds like @vivid vessel just got skilldiffed

im surprised u find it more engaging then zekvir tho considering how few mechanics it has and how little they seemed to matter

[fresh acorn]

I liked the dance zekvir had in p2

[waxen scarab]

fastest delve?

[fresh acorn]

The one in silver moon probably?

[waxen scarab]

nah

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxA_hNZfQdi-xAQALsUiTfEgdRYstcPegW?si=IIbCCMB6KCBNHk1I

idk if its just this mob

that is weird

[waxen scarab]

when u reveal those twilight mobs they destroy you

[vivid vessel]

but the dr

instnaly goes to max

after 1 cc

1 s kidney

[vivid vessel]

how do you live adds + boss then

[glass mortar]

is that not a leg sweep

as it gets dragged in

the quality kicks out everytime the add spawns so i cant actually see the nameplates

[vivid vessel]

ye

[clear tulip]

but the DR goes max

[vivid vessel]

there is a leg sweep

then my kidney is 1 s

the dr insta goes to max with 1 cc

[clear tulip]

i think a full KS would be like 4s iirc

[vivid vessel]

thats not how its supposed to work

[glass mortar]

what if it was 2 simultaneous leg sweeps hiding as 1 debuff

[balmy topaz]

We bring so much btw

[glass mortar]

u have 2 monks in the group

[balmy topaz]

Some bozo causing a 8 sec kidney to drop to 1

[vivid vessel]

even 2

you still need another one no ?

to go to max dr

[glass mortar]

did they change dr

if they did then yea

[clear tulip]

that just means we save those CP for a fat bte

[glass mortar]

otherwise 3rd cc is the maximum Dr'd one

[glass mortar]

so there is no max dr in pve anymore

oh i guess 1/16th duration would be max

old npc in an old dungeon maybe its using old DR code

[vivid vessel]

8 > 4 > 2 > 1

right

[glass mortar]

wait thats the bird trying to carry a person off the ledge right

what if its inhereting the players pvp dr

[crisp elm]

is there any gaming with BtE resets? or is it strictly tied to palmed bullet stacks?

[glass mortar]

uh not sure exactly what u mean by gaming

u can get reset from ace or from apex

apex is strictly tied to its stacks

ace is random

[crisp elm]

like worth to hold, if you get a proc and dont use seems like cd reset

[glass mortar]

u do not play around either other then reacting properly

[crisp elm]

a gain in any scenario

hmm ill need to mess around w it more

[gaunt phoenix]

You hold bte for supercharger

[glass mortar]

^ thats the only bte holding rule we have

[crisp elm]

thats only increase as of now?

[glass mortar]

if AR is nearly off cd

[gaunt phoenix]

But thats true whether you have a reset or not

[crisp elm]

but say you dont have 7 cp within the proc window, still just send?

[glass mortar]

you build then send

6+ CP to cast bte

[gaunt phoenix]

There is no proc window

[glass mortar]

regardless of ace procs or apex

yea not sure what u mean by proc window

[gaunt phoenix]

The cooldown just resets

[crisp elm]

hmm

[gaunt phoenix]

The glow on bte is just telling you it reset

[crisp elm]

ahh gotcha

makes more sense now

ty

[gaunt phoenix]

[marsh basin]

is it much of a dps loss to not have 25% haste?

[wintry solar]

Np

[fresh acorn]

Idk I think I just high rolled, I have a vod I can dm if you want

[primal holly]

I don't know about the exact numbers, but 25% haste means 0.8 second GCDs during adrenaline rush @marsh basin

make of that what you will

[alpine granite]

any poison reminder addon?

xd

[fresh acorn]

Buff reminders is good

[hollow copper]

should I pop light company guidon on cd or save it to overlap with AR?

[keen belfry]

so this crucible trinket is ONLY good in voidspire?

[hollow copper]

it works outside of voidspire but it's pretty mid afaik

[rancid silo]

So we dont care about 2/2 Ace up your sleeve?

[winter cave]

No the additional CP are not worth it and the change for reset does not change

[stark oracle]

if it were a vote, id vote to change combo points to something easier to abbreviate

say, combo stars or something

ya know

[cinder relic]

U can turn off the rp buffs in raid it's

Raidbots

[vapid void]

this the best raid spec for rogue?

[glass mortar]

only time will tell

[vapid void]

so whats the best

[glass mortar]

we dont know

wait for enough logs to have usable data or gamble on sims

🤷

[vapid void]

this my first season on rogue

raided yesterday with group and was close to the bottom felt week on sub

[glass mortar]

sub gets among the highest gains in the game from its tier set so

u should expect it to feel weaker then average until it gets that anyway

[vapid void]

gotca so is assas puling ahead at the start as always?

[glass mortar]

i dont believe so

[vapid void]

what u suggest for a beg rogue right now?

[glass mortar]

whatever u have the most fun with

specs dont seem to be that different numerically at least from initial logs

there will probably be different fights that favor different specs

[charred fox]

did LFR yesterday and was hitting top 5. Outlaw isn’t THAT bad

[glass mortar]

it looks mid on herioc logs where not every boss is being cleared yet and godawful on normal logs

but we barely have any data yet so

just wait and see angle

myth changes as well

[cinder relic]

Rn I genuinely think outlaw is the best spec in raid rn

[lavish jackal]

rwf rouge Panik ?

[cinder relic]

hmm?

[lavish jackal]

the rwf rogue players play sub

and if they geared for sub switching to OL is harder no?

[crisp elm]

thats rwf

[cinder relic]

Not really

[crisp elm]

im sure they have timings all set and organized only way i think sub optimal

[cinder relic]

Most ppl just default to sub being the best, cuz it has been for years

[crisp elm]

think ol will be better for most even tho "harder" to play

[wooden pilot]

they have 20 characters and they gear them differently so that that can be flexible before myth

So no

[vivid vessel]

why

[wooden pilot]

guys

[vivid vessel]

i mean last boss is another dimensius

or like

2nd to last boss

and looking at wcl rn outlaw doesnt look too good

[wooden pilot]

Nulleos on ? Is kinda cake

[vivid vessel]

actually looks to be the worse of the 3 specs for some reason

[wooden pilot]

Is ?? That much worse

[vivid vessel]

but idk maybe im missing something

[glass mortar]

it just AAs u to death

its not really more difficult in a mechanical sense

[wooden pilot]

my issue with sub is that I might fall asleep while playing 💤

[glass mortar]

and if u try to have valeera tank it AAs her to death in like 20s

[waxen scarab]

we crafting something this week?

[wooden pilot]

my valeeria on ? never even came close to dying today idk

[glass mortar]

yes u asked about ??

i thought

[wooden pilot]

ye that’s what I mean she didn’t even hit 50%

so like on ?? Is she really getting werked

[glass mortar]

yes on ?? the autos hit substantially harder

[wooden pilot]

smh

give me evasion cdr back

[glass mortar]

i think awang has a clip of the boss coming out of its cast and turning to auto him for like 170k

so

[keen belfry]

i crafted a sword nbd

[vapid void]

im doing outlaw rotation and im capping at like 30k damage

[wooden pilot]

gulp

[lucid sparrow]

is dat zacs ui

[glass mortar]

no thats bars by someone whose name i cant remember

@keen belfry who made ur bars bro

lookin kinda clean

[lucid sparrow]

lowkey want those bars

📶

[keen belfry]

lowkeyy!

[keen belfry]

cause the trinket gets none of those bonuses in m+ right?

im about to do a billion dmg

and make us look good in heroic week again

[fair iron]

what's reverse sandbagging

xD

[cinder relic]

In the netherstorm dugneons it would

otherwise no, yeah

[frail veldt]

if your goal is prog should you pick your spec based on whats going to be the best on the last/second to last boss?

[frail veldt]

or do people consider the other bosses as valuable for completing earlier

[cinder relic]

These fights on mythic are mega melee cleave esp on mythic

Subs timers on dragons are kinda awkward as fuck

[vivid vessel]

ye but hc people arent killing last 2 tho

[cinder relic]

Only clear sub fight is nexus king

[flat karma]

is there no way to sim droptimizer as outlaw without treating daggers as only off-spec items?

[waxen scarab]

do we craft a weapon now?

[frail veldt]

is that one of the last two?

the ordering is confusing in wclogs

[vapid void]

does this look right for a st rotation

[cinder relic]

Correct

[frail veldt]

why do all the rogue specs suck ass

[cinder relic]

Bte should be higher

[cinder relic]

Uhhh cuz rogue is just mid

lol

[vivid vessel]

and none killed last

[cinder relic]

What am I looking at

[fading igloo]

Hey is there some kinda build for raid fights with adds/cleave or do I just use the ST one and press Blade Flurry when adds pop up

[vapid void]

do we just spam adrenline rush on cd

?

[vivid vessel]

number of parses

look right

thats the boss you sent

[cinder relic]

Why would I care about number of parses

[vivid vessel]

?

[cinder relic]

Nobody is playing outlaw

[vivid vessel]

what

ye

thats my point

lol?

you cant look at hc rn

cause there is no data

[cinder relic]

This is ur point

[vivid vessel]

yes

[cinder relic]

being popular/played =/= being good or bad

[vivid vessel]

i looked at normal

where we have more data

[cinder relic]

Normal kill timers are lower, adds die faster

[frail veldt]

wait does it go vanguard->crown->chimaerus?

[vivid vessel]

well its better than no data tho

[frail veldt]

or crown->vanguard->chimaerus

[cinder relic]

No chimaerus is fairly easy

its just a 1 boss raid

[frail veldt]

ah I see

[cinder relic]

idk where its difficulty is meant to be on mythic

[mystic berry]

Guys

we need you all to parse more

[fathom bramble]

I don't even raid until friday

[frail veldt]

is crown harder than vanguard?

[cinder relic]

Yes

[frail veldt]

so would people pick spec based on whats good on crown then?

[mystic berry]

All five of us laws need to parse 5x more

[vivid vessel]

this is the intended difficulty curve rn

[fathom bramble]

apparently a lot more classes kept good passive cleave than we may have thought

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt

[frail veldt]

I see

[keen belfry]

frost mage passive cleave kinda nutty

[vapid void]

im new to outlaw for roll the bones do we have to keep track of what we roll?

[frail veldt]

yeah its seeming like rogue even outlaw isnt what you bring if you want passive cleave

[keen belfry]

yes

[vivid vessel]

[mystic berry]

1 bad, 2+ good

there is your tracking

[vivid vessel]

oh no outalw losing pc + bf going from 50 to 30 means its not good cleave anymore ?

who would have thought

[vapid void]

So should i learn all the diff things we can roll?

[keen belfry]

i genuinely think we are going to suck in m+

[vivid vessel]

me when i get to the outlaw boss

OUTLAW!!!

[mystic berry]

junk

[fathom bramble]

idk I got to the 2 target dungeon boss and the other 2 players in my group were doing nearly double my damage

[mystic berry]

nah m8

[fathom bramble]

that's kind of when I realized how bad it was

[glass mortar]

our cleave isnt even free anymore

[mystic berry]

only 1 is bad

[glass mortar]

it literally was free with uhuh

now u are always paying a tax to cleave

[quaint wharf]

i miss uhuh

[glass mortar]

even if u dont go aoe build

[fathom bramble]

now 1 gcd every 10-13 seconds has to be BF

[glass mortar]

not a cheap one either

[quaint wharf]

also w raid numbers talk. isnt sub going to pull ahead with tier set?

[vapid void]

okay so it doesnt really matter to keep track of what u roll fully

[keen belfry]

i think we are going to suck, unles tuning obvi

[fathom bramble]

ofc

[mystic berry]

You just need to know if you are at 1 or not

[glass mortar]

u really only need to know if u got a 2 or higher

so basically whether or not you got the purple buff

[vapid void]

Ahhh

[fathom bramble]

can you imagine the BF patchnote it would take to make us good on 2 targets though

[glass mortar]

the purple (1 buff) is bad

[frail veldt]

yeah without PC I dont think theyll ever make us good on low target cleave

cuz we would be kinda giga on max target

[vapid void]

one of a kind?

[keen belfry]

this spec is just so ass why do i love it

[mystic berry]

I wouldnt be surprised if they nerf bf come the 23th lmao

[fathom bramble]

yeah it would require a new PC-like mechanic or something

[mystic berry]

ya

[fathom bramble]

or just PC

[vivid vessel]

i mean

maybe nerfing bf

by like

half

wasnt good for aoe ?

[fathom bramble]

"The highest health nearby enemy takes 40% more damage from bf"

[vapid void]

so how do i know the tiers?

[waxen scarab]

do we craft a sword ?

[glass mortar]

color of the buff and number of dice

craft whatever weapon u want

as long as it has agi

[quaint wharf]

instructions unclear

i have an int wand

[cinder relic]

Yeah rogue kinda meh rn

[glass mortar]

ok but that part of my instructions was very clear

u were beyond help im afraid

😠

[quaint wharf]

[glass mortar]

brb following my instructions (making an agi polearm)

[vapid void]

is jackpot the best im guessinmg

[fathom bramble]

agi gun is already in my inventory

[keen belfry]

i genuinel cant fathom a way you make outlaw AOE good without:
severe changes as to how we do aoe
giga ST spec
giga 8 target spec

[glass mortar]

yes

[keen belfry]

pick one

[fathom bramble]

yeah idk

[waxen scarab]

.

[vapid void]

so its 1,2,3 jackpot?

[glass mortar]

jackpot is 4 yea

[keen belfry]

if u wanna play outlaw yes, axe is vibes

[cinder relic]

I think all rogue spec specs should get buffed

[fathom bramble]

probably

certainly

[frail veldt]

nah

low prio class\

[keen belfry]

sub is hard to gauge cuz 14% tier

[frail veldt]

not worth the time

[glass mortar]

all 3 specs of a pure dps being bad herioc week is about the best showing we could want if we actually wanted buffs

just saying

[lucid sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hakari-jackpot-kashimo-gambling-gif-18244850554012381463

[crimson scarab]

hey just a quick question, for crafting a MH which embellishment should i go for and the stats should be crit haste right?

[fathom bramble]

hopefully they don't tune all 3 to the same level pre-tier and leave outlaw 10% behind

[waxen scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-hikari-gif-1408129775731152385

[glass mortar]

i just hope they realize sub is getting like 2-3X the value from its tier that we are (idk about sin)

when they do the tuning

but dont worry, i doubt they will

[vapid void]

Ya so when should i do a keep it rolling on t2?

[glass mortar]

t2 or higher

[crimson scarab]

? 🙁

[waxen scarab]

do we put an embilishment on the sword?

[glass mortar]

rules and stuff r here

#1276307559061524652 message

[vivid vessel]

i mean i agree

but look

when i see outlaw struggling this much

in normal and hc

during hc week

when we also have one of the worse tier set

i have difficulty how you could think outlaw is the better spec

[dark ember]

It feels so bad to KIR on t2 but I think it pretty much guarantees a full 1:30 of no T1 since you'll get AR back before that first minute is up.

[vivid vessel]

like sub looks to be mostly the same rn, ,while having huge advantage on the last boss from the raid this week