#outlaw
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@vivid vessel are people in your guild going to grind 1600 for tier token?
or charge or w/e
thats my thought
ok this time we only raid 3 days but like
surely everyone get tier set
no one is making you
the old SLs classic of grinding pvp for raid power
like who tf cares right

its so useless
Well if you get the spark, it gets you 4pc sooner....and when you get 4pc the catalyst charges can drop from any activity....so you could potentially save some time
wat
well you arent saving anytimer
you will be doing m+ anyway
saving time in pvp lol
yeah youll get the following tuesday anyway
the only thing youre doing is getting a charge during heroic week
instead of getting the charge at the start of mythic week
if u didn't grind honor these last 2 weeks ur in for a good time
what for
So if you have extra catalyst charges, you can "reforge" off pieces for better stats. But charges only start dropping off random M+ and such after you have 4pc....so you could potentially optimize slightly faster is what I'm saying
lariot didnt tell me to grind honor so i didnt
off-pieces?
its the same amount of charges
what are you saying lol
getting it from pvp a week earlier vs getting it from raid/m+ one week later
its only 1
from all 3
There was a blizz post lemme see if I can find it
ye but, in theory the latest (if you are unlucky duriong hc week) you get your 4p is legit first day reclear of next reset
and so then you go m+ after that anyway
the only time it is different is during heroic week
during all week
after heroic week
to get full gear
its all exactly the same
so
ALSO
and like
if you're using embellishment onheroic gear
you should get 4 set week 1
is that true?
Oh I agree it's a smallest amount of potential gain, but it is something
its not any gain
no i dont see how its even a gain tho
0 gain
i mean catalyst
imagine spending your catalyst before your 2nd heroic clear
what
why would you do that
once we unlock 4 set we get the achievement so we can get catalyst drops tho
^^
i mean look, i think most people that do 2 splits or more will get 4 set week 1 anyway with lfr and shit
tier set is garbo anyway. not wasting a charge on loot i can get this week
but you will famr m+ all week
you will get them the same
it doesnt matter lol
ah ok if it's splits ur talking about then yeah sure
you arent trying to peak gear week1/2
^
i do think most guilds that do splits will have 4 p week 1
cause you do a round of nm, hc and lfr for fun
everyone has 4p
even if you dont you get 4p day one on first hc clear
not for me i'm pushing wf against liquid with my casual 1/2 night guild
need min/max everything
25g to join my heroic splits and feed gear
should i eat food
no
ok
Blizzard is gonna buff hidden opportunity next week guys, trust
photosynthesis instead
worst case scenario honestly
and they'll also buff assa coz it always ends up on top somehow
i sure hope they dont
They'll also see killing spree isn't being played and will also give it a buff just in case

I wouldn't mind them making ambush give you 20 seconds of SnD....atleast we could use it for the opener and have a reason to use stealth....kind of...
no !
I miss HO only because ambush animation and sound is better than SS
no !
flows better
i hate ambush animation !
yes ! you wrong
I think we should all go back to HO
fuck you !
ambush animation as cow actually looks good
dwarf issue
get rekt bad taste
you are a cow !
pick a better race
no you
go get your foodbuff panda
bro ..
the part u hate so much about HO is gone anyway zac....
HO can be buffed it would be fine......
not like our capstones r that interesting regardless of which we use
bro it ruins the builder rules
does it?
it generates what 3
so ur either ending up at 4 CP after an ambush or overcapping 1 i guess
i guess it is a bit stinky waste wise
sure at 5 u dispatch or if u need to bte u ambush and overcap 1 cp
probably less average wastage with ambush then with SS or PS so
I just never liked that it trivializes the builder rules
have ambush press ambush
guess it doesnt grant opp now so it might be better
its a weird number for it to leave u at considering it does nothing else
like if u PS to 5, proc HO, finish, ambush to 4
its just a janky number for any of our builders tbh
i mean thats w/e ur overcapping 1 CP
SS is 2/5 right?
its not like we arent overcapping a ton in this outlaw anyway
but i do agree its not nice numbers
makes me even more sure this HO is left behind as a "didnt have time to make a real talent to replace it" kinda thing
sup
idk it being awkward kind of confirms to me that its intended for outlaw

idk cuz I use the same edit mode across characters
and they all have different cdm setups
so it must not
i use same edit mode across all characters and they had same cdm setups
it does? it just doesn't double strike
what happens when you edit cdm on one char
does it move that bar for example on all the others
mine does not
ah I keep mixing those up
im not sure i just setup my cdm on my rogue and it was setup on all
tbh it is confusing that this is the only time a single strike grants opportunity
it does which makes it arguably jankier now since it procs opp but also puts u at 4 CP regardless of if it procced or not
so u need to press PS to avoid overcapping if it puts u to 6

all in all thinking about it the amount it generates just seems odd what a strange talent
you can get +1 as FB
oh wait the SS +1 works as FB?
ok so it puts u at 5 every ambush thats a bit better
5 only if it procs opp
5 every opp proc anyway
actually thats still quite awkward anytime u wanna cast something thats not dispatch
since normally if u ended at 5 it would be do to casting opp
it's very slightly more cp per cast/energy on average, but more reliable (compared to ss)
but now ur at 5 and capped on opp
for fatebound
thats so goofy
it's 3 + 1 from rtb +1 if opp as fb
oh the RtB works on it too ok ok that makes things even cleaner for FB at least
at stage 2 it would be 4 CP assuming u took the +1 cp talent in class tree
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
then at stage 2+ opp it would be 5 cp
you get improved ambush, it's never 2cp
supercharger
you can't afford dropping tea
but ur not taking subterfuge
I already don’t like it
but subterfuge is bad without vanish on RB
basically useless
HO just garbage now lol
it was a 10-13% loss when I quickly simmed it yesterday, I don't know how much you can improve it by optimising it
they just overnerfed HO and didn't bother with it further
They’d have to buff audacity with vanish not having CDR anymore lol
they need to replace it with something better
they can fix it in so many ways. It just needs dev time which is outlaw's kryptonite
What devs lmao
always as been
Just needs some type of tier set payoff, or some small adjustments to be viable
tying it to a set is horrible though. Just make it baseline viable
why force everyone into HO through a set?
NR are we getting huge build
This channel would be a nightmare if season 2 set forced HO play lol
they can tweak so many variables to make HO closer to other builds
This channel is a nightmare no matter what happens
next week's tuning will be a banger
lfggg
10% aura buff to HO only on Friday 😭
@cinder relic awesome guide, thank you for all your hard work, you're a real gem, etc.
Zac doesn't play, how'd you expect him to know?
can you change this to "stanch" instead of "staunch"
i dont want to bind it
how's your uhdk popo?
i want to type /cdm
I cant tell if ur being sarcastic
Thank you then 
I wanted to preface my very unimportant fix by clarifying that I appreciate the work
in options
Wthout playing the fights in actual raid its hard to give super specific advice but I think i got a lot of the fundamentals of the fight written donw
An addon for a blizzard addon make it make sense lol
They can’t just make it better base ui lol
Leveled up
i will agree with the fact the cdm doesnt have a resource section is wild
Now we wait...
ur the fatest cow in the history of cows
Less than an hour
no you
did you watch
imagine
no
t yet
whjat was it called again
so i can save it
was at work when u told me
young sherlock
??
it instantly reminded me of young sheldon
which i think is bad
cuase it has nothing to do with that guy
If I had to guess, I think the UI development is like 6 months behind their initial goal/target
!ui
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
if their goal was to actually have all these things working on launch
like if i was a fresh noob user id want my cdm to be turned on by default with combo poiints and energy right there too
working UI by last titan
thx buddy
we dont know what spec we will play
@frail veldt
werent you the one that aksed last time
where you had your icons always shown
after removing arcui
or smth
like that
and what did you do
I cba to fix it
well
there is a button at the top of ayjee cdm
"fix edit mode"
and it fixes it
:D
is ellese cdm showing the roll now instead of the bones spell on the buff bar?
idk I dont use it for rogue
yeah I was scared to press that LOL
are all of todays hotfixes for outlaw in raidbots?
ill try it on an alt
wdym
i mean tuning
I thought outlaw didnt even get a line
so yes
ok
actually
solo is so good
at sims
the sim was up to date
with the firs ttuning pass
weeks ago
Hello zac. I'm going to sleep and I hope to wake up in the morning to see you post ui updates
can you believe that?
fully anticipated all the tuning. pretty impressive
if you wait 10 min
you have it now
literally
solo put our tuning in our sim
weeks before blizz published it
he really is the goat of all time
someone has lariat guide ?
We lose ST to sub now it’s so over pack it in 
nah didnt you hear? outlaws sim performance is irrelevant to how it will do in raid
yes can I link it here?
It’ll be okay when we get buffs on fridays notes
To be honest, that's pretty easy to do with rogue specs in general
They forget we exist 90% of the time anyway
Hey guys, sorry im kind of a newbie, is it normal to have stamina issue with outlaw or i messing up smth ?
your a god ty king
wa to do profiles for ayije lol
what a world
Ohhh damn your using WA to setup custom numbers in ACDM? thats smart I was trying to figure out how i would do this last night lol
yeah just funny to do profiles through another method
is WA addon still maintained even?
instead of ayije just having that within their addon
what other method? every addon is like that
UwUI
hm
i mean tbf i didnt try but
i dont think it would work without the cdm
profile
works for me
i do find it super annoying tho
You planning to stream? Wanna see this in action.
Guys when i sim, in dungeon slice, Versality talent is better than 1%
but do you think in fact i will have a lack of haste
but once m+ week start there will be al ot more
i only have 17% of haste
get more haste
also link your sim if its telling you to go vers over haste
be careful with stat weight sim its not that reliable
Zac stream?!?
I usually run the other option due to having an energy return
And god knows I want that
says haste is better
the profiles? yeah im using it on priest
like if i login on an alt i will have nothing
ok well thats not what im asking
its all through ellesui
will it translate
yeah
okok
already with 17% haste, talent with 3%poly is better than Flickering Steel
ooooooooh
yeah in aoe I could see that
bosses might feel a little rough
but in st the Flickering steel still better
yeah i understand
zac in ur ui, do we have Trinket CD or not yet ?
on that
sorry for my dumb questions
ye
its in ayjee cdm thing
yes the LAYOUT transfers if thats what ur asking, all i had to do on my alts was just put hte spells in cdm
zac so dumb bro
no WA to play his game for him
hes cooked
Servers up
i know the layout transfer lol
but you still have to put all the spells in the right thigns in the cdm
mhm
so it doesnt actually transfer xd
have to put all your spells in the right order in all your bars
serverfs up
tedious af
its only an issue if you are playing the exact same spec right?
surfs up
they have been up all day noob
it takes under 10 seconds
yes or if you export the thing to people
the order is made trough the addon tho in ayjee
nvm not of the main bar
only the secondary bar and shit
ye its cringe af
tbf i do expect him to update that down the line
or well thats how i would do it anywya
i log into character never palyed before and its setup so it might be under 10
u disgust me
maybe i have some addon that saves settings but i literally just log onto random character and my cdm looks like a cdm on my rogue
good name v good
in the guide
nice

the name being class coloresd
is so fucking good man
only good update to the ui in midnight
i wish you could remove server name tho
would be so clean
bro whatdehelly ..
they are already hacking ..
cooking actually
solo make a ping world boss dorps champion weapon we have to farm it forever
ping everyone
im goated yeah nbd
btw real question tho
how is this legal
like i expected it to have some exploits for that kind of things
but world first guilds dont use exploits
or they get blasted
so is it an overlay or smth
sussy shit no cap
they told blizz how they did this so it's known to them
i mean ye
how though idk
they pay guys to do this shit i guess
Is mythic 0 still dropping only veteran gear?
this should be illegal so i dont get it
so they gotta be good
LOL
thought exile
@glass mortar are bountys group wide
okay okay i see
the delve ones
could be pug ya
thye prolly have people alting rogue tho
always need
but ye
im pretty sure they only have one main rogue rn
i dont even know who plays rogue as alt in their guild
what delve bounty
trill always has some, and impec but just rat alts
u mean like the maps
ah trill true
yeah or whatever they are
the item to spawn the miniboss that gives u the map for bonsu loot?
last expac the miniboss spawn was group wide
only 1 person needed the spawner
if u killed her u got a map
no clue about this expac
i do my delves solo
what does ashine play usually
is it worth still using plater?
Would be funny if they get suspended
well no
they ask blizzard for everything they do
im just surprised they were allowed
to do that kind of things
xd
Legit just looks like they are playing TWW still
well
the main objective was to remove assignement things etc
wasnt meant to destroy your ui
was just accidental
Yeah but the ironic thing is they also did not want players to feel alienated for not having all the required stuff
No one has this
Lol
Yep
Work well done
Gg blizz
They managed to turn the RWF into who made better addons in the patch thats meant to not require any
I cant
Hey guys, I'm thinking about making the crafts. Is it worth making them now? And for what items?
Is it looking like gaze is still bis for us?
This answer has too Mary variables....are you a casual? Then craft a weapon or 2 weapons. Are you in a heroic/mythic guild? Then spam raid /M+ until you get hero and myth weapons. Are you try hard mythic guild? Then craft a dagger so you can play all 3 specs and rotate per boss
Uhm understable, tysm
whered u see that
any hidden changes on outlaw ?
friend talking about bear tanks who have already completed it (its apparently pretty easy on tanks)
nearly impossible on casters because theres a 20s cooldown cast that 1 shots you if u dont kick it
who is Mary?
So is it not a skill check like the other one
Poppins
less so then last seasons sounds like
Lame
I mean it was a raid boss
other than being able to kill the adds there isn't any skillchecks at all
Just make a raid boss
yea this sounds closer to s1 delve boss
a few basic level "You die if u fail these" checks that some specs might not even be able to meet
and then the actual mechanics fairly easy
like the kick i mentioned
me when i make the boss have a 1 shot kick with a shorter cd then the average ranged interupt as a joke
last boss
has a legit
40s phase
where you are afk in front of boss
he is imune
in front of you
like
what is this kind of fight design bro
litteraly cock block you from hitting boss
for 0 reason
can you hit him tho
like generate CP and spend them
and he just dont take damage
or just fill cinematic
rough on melee dps too cause white hits hurt like a mfer
dw zac just take ur downtime talent
idk its so lame
like i cant dodge lines while hitting boss?
why do they always need to do that type of things
its so boring
- it destroy flatline damage
for 0
its happening again
ya my friend now knows a bdk, 2 bears and several war tanks that have done it
all tanks tho
apparently it was 1 shot on ?? by a tank

yeah it looks like a tank angle
not doing role based HoF for delves smh
i mean
if its boring anyway
no one gonna do it
would have been goated for hte last one
but eh
from what you have told me im legit just not gonna do it
especially if HoF is just gunna be auto won every season by tanks nobody is gunna do it
but delve content has always been easiest on tanks so
tuning solo content is rough enough when ur not doing it between roles
tbf ky'veza was neat because everything one shot and melee hits didn't clap as hard
so u just had to do the mechanics perfectly and it was gg on whatever
Sad
one can only hope for
yeah it was during s3 after all
im happy they r giving us any solo content to begin with
i want a halondrus type of fight too 😮
i never really cared about the HoF thing it was always gunna be won by a tank
not sure i have the luxury to do extracurricular stuff besides getting to t10 delves tmrw
just as long as the content is fun
unless i wake up real early xd
I like titles
https://www.twitch.tv/imexile/clip/AbstruseWanderingOysterNinjaGrumpy-gGilH3n5bwPWMW8s its an entire minute
i like titles that are limited too
yeah it does
or not a % of people who get it done early title?
like a whole HoF ass title
super random question, can you open the guild tab ingame?
wait where is that
oh well thats gunna be filled up with tanks in 2 days so
@fathom bramble thoughts on outlaw on this boss
if u want it gl
are they just running around
isthis a real fight
if it's not mechanical then it's pretty gg ngl
just rotating defensives and shit
ooh
and she does it
multiple time
in the fight

i cannot bro
be more obvious
mechanics r kick and not dying so dps are not favored
xd
yeah so it's a good thing i levelled my dk first
its a bit of a joke on tanks apparently u just need a personal for every "tank buster" which every tank can manage and it dies
i do have my monk at max level but i honestly kinda expect this title to be filled up by the time i even get home
with it not being role specific
bunch of tanks will just go in and grab it
some tanks literally had it like `15 minutes after server came up so yea
probs not 4000 people i think
probs like more than half though
Hopefully mythic has an add we can hit during the phase
ye i doubt that
maybe more things to dodge
but like
i dont get why they do that
just let us hit things
When was the last time we had a full afk phase
Queen didnt
They gave us small spiders to hit on the raid.ps
Ramps*
Gally was always hittable
Oh
It was rik reverb intermission
lol
My favorite intermission
Kyvesa intermission was so good because you could flex skill in having almost full uptime
zac
have u considered
blizzard likes to make cinematic events in fights where u are temporarily not hitting a thing
if u want ur spec to be good on endbosses of a season maybe pick a real one or something idk
literally the type of bosses they want to put these types of mechanics on 90% of the time
but why
imagine getting cinematic gapped what a meme spec
if you can hit the boss lol
that u stop thinking about ur buttons for 20s and just get to appreciate the visuals of the fight as u dodge shit and listen to a villian monologue
bro
lil bit of roleplaying in ur mmorpg
no one cares about lore
sorry
yeah this is something we have discussed in the channel before too
it would let outlaw maintain the gameplay of a flat profile while giving it some kind of meaningfully useful damage profile
exactly
what are the requirements to becom a wow class writer? 😮 someone who knows should apply
it does legit nothing
is outlaw decent in pve?
no
like the boss is in front of you, at range to get hit
what is that?
looted it from a +9 delve
cant believe i almost let myself get gaslight into thinking it would be an outlaw tier
you believed?
cant believe Mythic isnt even out and zacs already dooming over endbosses
Ikr
yea ok wait until this intermission had 1 big bad and 7 little stooges with it for the whole phase on mythic
Not like anything else applies to em
it got automatically consumed when I lootd it though so I can't actually use it on the ??
need to unlock ?? first and that will presumably use it up
and you needed to burst the boss right before it so peoples burst is down...
how many other things do u think id need to add to this mechanic to make outlaw good

we play a funny spec huh
yeah u need t10 so makes sense
@fathom bramble @glass mortar
look at the cds btw
sub cds comes back
right as the phase ends


true and based raccoon
has anyone simmed Gaze since the nerf? Is it still best? About to submit bis list to guild.
damn the cinematic lowkey cool
oh well
sub is actually tuned well this time too so they should just destroy on anything that lines up well for them
we'll see how myth goes I guess
ye im crafting a sword
+1 this

zac gunna craft a sword and cry about it for the next 3 months mark my words
😠
i know because I am too
😅
Prep makes Outlaw less predictable ironically and is far better at it than RTB. Prep is indeed a wildcard and a nice ace to have up your sleave for all forms of content.
Prep has allowed me to solo elites where I had no business soloing for example.
fr
Make prep reset cloak
Less predictable
buff unholy
what's the origin of that copypasta
wtf rares are prep helping u solo 
every rare ive found i couldnt solo i couldnt solo because it was clearly going to take 3-4 minutes to fight and it autod for half ur hp bar
maybe oldlaw
newlaw never tho
why did outlaw spec aura go from 20% to 34%? (edit: false alarm, aura went from 20 to 34 and then they applied a hotfix to reduce it by 12% to normalise it again)
My girlriend listened to my reaction to the Outlaw set bonus, and five minutes later, sent this.
guys, do we know whatg is th ebest protocol for the trinket 246 renown ?
2nd try @vivid vessel
only died on the first one because I was reading discord and missed a kick
howd u get to it where is it
looks lame af
I got myth crests from it
im actually quite confused
sooo
they know why players liked that
why it was a success
so why did they go and do that
ye i mean how irrelevant is that
I've said this before - but honestly I was shocked that it was Sub that had CD reduction on finishers pruned and not OL. I feel like OL would much appreciate having fixed CDs tuned to higher uptime.
Sub in the mean while has no problems self feeding cdr due to damage profile.
idk it's free crests that go past the cap
I have 35 total 5/100 season max
ok
very very easy if you just use the old trickster tech
tricks on valeera and just don't miss a kick
nothing else matters
hello? why is there an aura buff for outlaw??
what level was your valeera?
what
what is this
hmmm
Are you actually?
no lol
Lmao
well the ptr spell dump has it on 20 too
wasn't that the one they reverted
when they fixed the fb bug
but we dont know if they ever gve us the aura buff tho
oh true
it was reverted
nt given
ye idk
i mean i hav e been doing 0 st in keys so idk
fuck if i care
give me 10% aura buff
good
we'll see if it stays/is intentional
~12% aura buff as it is
just abilities not autos
10/10 fren
i mean no
outlaw has always been the consistenty damage profile spec
we shouldnt be turning unique damage profiles to dime a dozen burst specs
we should be improving unique damage profiles instead
like idk give outlaw a execute to give it a niche beyond "straight line"
⚱️
That's ME rn
That's not what I was saying. Keep the profile the same. What I'm saying is - fix the CDs so if you're forced to not hit the boss you aren't double dipped on getting screwed by that downtime.
Right now they lose DPS uptime that's relatively more important - but they also lose future DPS because your CDs are longer.
if i dont really care about raiding whats safer craft sword or dagger?
i mean i guess, they did that was dreadblades and it wasnt taken until it was on restlessblades
and then dreadblades was murder because it was redundent cause everything refilled your combopoints to full anyways

ye I just saw
since its 0 in pvp
why would they even do that
idk they just reinvented the wheel i guess
they did the same with assa too
probably a common question, i did check the faq. without weak auras, how do you keep track of your roll the bones level?
track it as a buff icon and it will change the icon to match your current buff
1 dice, 2 dice, 3 dice, glowing dice
Hey, so I have a question about the single target opener. Dispatch seems to be cast right after all the buffs, but why not between the eyes? Does it not benefit from supercharged combo points the same way?
you can have a macro do that?
SnD
ah, that explains it
sub is looking sad in these splits you sure you don’t want a sword @vivid vessel
at least you get buttons
sub has the biggest tier set out of every spec
+14%
i dont follow much meta, how is ass compared to other two?
double it
how much is outlaw?
4% i think
4%
crazy
4% on a 4 set?
2 + 4 ye
hi, do m0 drop 246 veteran or champion gear tomorrow?
i got off the world boss thingy outside SMC
veteran i believe
my ellesui didnt reset
whats the TLDR on the voidforge
wasnt that supposed to happen?
cool sword
where dat cool sword from. Grimm?
delves
someone told me it's champion but i thought it's veteran like you said and now i'm looking for evidence 😄
Whuuut
bigly
i guess we will see tomorrow for sure 😄
I also got
there has to be someone who ran a m0 already no? 😂
but idk how I got the sword to drop
im in EU so reset is tomorrow for me haha
If you run the seasonal M0s
I think you get champion
but the non seasonal ones
its vet gear
yeah I havent gotten that yet I went to the prey guy and only hard was available but someone just got chievo for nightmare prey in my guild
so its there
today
a whole lotta ways to get gear
yes for prey
i think u need to do 4 preys on hard/normal to get the XP
and then unlock nightmare
also was this from a t8 bountiful delve or?
I also got
one was a drop not from the bountiful chest
the other was a drop from the map chest
i think there is a bis trinket list on wowhead
does someone know how i can edit the combo point bar on ayije so that there is spacing between each rectangle?\
my lvl 19 valeera is getting fucked
level?
I tricks my healer valeera, she dies, I move on, life goes on



