outlaw

[hollow temple]

as long as the embellishment can be crafted on said slot

[tribal cosmos]

someone

made a raid practice tool

for midnight

lol

[boreal cloud]

yea, my gf played that and it's fun, but very basic

[vapid sundial]

deadtube out here acting like we havent had one of those made every raid tier

[placid saddle]

if you have say 10s on AR left, and you are on full CPs, with BtE off cd, do you just send BtE or use dispatch then send BTE with supercharged after popping AR

[cobalt token]

Last time I checked outlaw was looking fine

Did I miss a update

😭

Patch notes I mean

God I need to sleep

[silver vale]

on a ret with full gear

for the non believers

[dense bramble]

as far as i know rogue is middle field and hybrid classes out dps rogue in ST and aoe

[sterile dune]

Ur fault for not playing feral druid

Its all about the furry agenda nowadays

[haughty wigeon]

That’s isn’t muh

[uneven copper]

Why can’t you play sub on paladins?

[vapid sundial]

probably really bad burn phase for its cds

makes you hold way too long

is my guess

or something like that

[vivid vessel]

sub is just worse cleave than outlaw

[mighty pivot]

they should hotfix paladins to be 12

(in number, not age)

[river wing]

in age, they are already 12

oh, you mean the bosses, not the class...

[balmy topaz]

Anyone got any good outlaw meme's for my chat cover for my stream

[clever wasp]

outlaw is not a joke

[balmy topaz]

[stiff hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-xqc-gambling-addict-777-gif-25803752

[unkempt dew]

Where are the outlaw buffs

I want to go brrrrr

[violet swan]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[sterile dune]

American ah type talent

Why ppl shidding on killing spree? Good skill for leveling content

[slim hare]

https://tenor.com/view/jordan-peterson-joe-rogan-gif-24661539

it was so bad

[wintry solar]

Was?

It is

[slim hare]

i mean yes and no

it is bad currently

but its usable

it wasnt before legit inting to use it before, even if it was doing billion of dmg

[clever wasp]

i liked it more when u had 50% survival rate when using it

[wintry solar]

It's only positive is that it's used for trickster procs and even that being a positive is debatable

[slim hare]

nice ragebait

[clever wasp]

its not ragebait its clearly just a joke

[wintry solar]

Old KS was unironically better in multiple ways

Though the bar isn't high

[slim hare]

ho i agree but rolling the dice on you'r life while being mandatory for dmg was so bad made me quit wow for a while

[old gull]

Now that survival hunter also has a gun spree I want old spree back becuase it’s specialer

[slim hare]

shit was horrendous, forced on us and even then no change came for month

while right now its bad and we can forget about it

which is fine

[wintry solar]

I pray we run FB all expac

In all content

[winter cave]

Yeah me too

[wintry solar]

Can't believe my goat fell so far from grace

[sterile dune]

Ks still good for leveling

3 min cd, spam it on mob packs

Keep it rolling is usually overkill

[timid portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1483417283761147985/image.gif

[silk stirrup]

The problem of sandbagging is that community perception of certain specs is always bad, even if it's actually okay

[normal forge]

who is doing that?

[zinc briar]

!consumables

hahaha

[crimson scarab]

@vivid vessel can you send a picture of ur whole UI if possible?

[midnight ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354035526090843/1255113639950553108/tww-killing-spree.gif

[vivid vessel]

finishing working on it rn

[cobalt token]

Ah

Middle field will be the best we get

[slim hare]

hell no zac is not a low res guy

[crimson scarab]

im trying to use it as inspiration to edit mine a bit haha, thanks a lot

[vivid vessel]

will share at the end of the day if you care

or maybe not idk

depends if i have finished

[slim hare]

lets go

its coming

[untold wadi]

yoo we LOVE outlaw gifs

[clever wasp]

keep it a secret cuh, cant let these guys know of the 100 log tech 🔥

[cobalt token]

Zac is it advanced ragebait when my friend says every dps class is the same and outlaw is piss easy

Or am I just very stupid to think outlaw is above average

[vivid vessel]

nah outlaw is def above average

anyone that has played outlaw would say so

i do think midnight specs are quite simple now tho

[slim hare]

yeah

[clever wasp]

outlaw is just above the rest because its fast

everything is mega slow now

[cobalt token]

All of them are simple compared but I'd say outlaw has to be like top 5 hardest

[crimson scarab]

how did u separate kick, kidney, gouge & blind from the rest of the utility?

[slim hare]

midnight classes are easy except for a few including outlaw

[static crescent]

Uhm

[brisk meadow]

that's so wonderful

[cobalt token]

Well it's not only because it's fast

[clever wasp]

ACDM allows that

[cobalt token]

It's coz you have so little time to think about everything

But basically the same thing

😭

[slim hare]

dont remember the name but there is an addon to make more cdm groups i believe (also you can use action bar just for this

[clever wasp]

can also do defensives

🔥

[vivid vessel]

i wanted to do that but i cant add dwarf to that

[clever wasp]

there is a racial one tho?

[vivid vessel]

so im keeping the defensive grp ayjee have

wdym

[cobalt token]

Another ellesmere upscale

[vivid vessel]

well ye

but

you can add dwarf in this one

cause its not cdm

[crimson scarab]

thank u very much

lifesavers

[clever wasp]

acdm is kinda peak addon tho

happy i swapped from bcdm to it

[crimson scarab]

i am vibing with ayije

still dont know a lot of things abt it tho, its a learning curve

[clever wasp]

u can rightclick alot more stuff than u would expect 😭

[inland acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-4677175942198662182

Me waiting for zac Ui

[vivid vessel]

im working !

[cold falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/jeffery-epstein-epstein-island-edit-gif-12625768325519740777

Me waiting for zac in my island legs spread wide

[inland acorn]

Are you still using WAs or gave up on fixing them ?

[vivid vessel]

[vivid vessel]

i am

but

the main thing will be ayjee cdm

im however still using weak aura for some stuffs

way easier than creating 10 diff addons lol

[inland acorn]

[vivid vessel]

also im coding a few additionals options i dont have in ayjee cdm

inside weak aura

cause he has an api

so its kinda goated

[inland acorn]

Can we have sound for opp proc with ayjee ?

[rancid bone]

what's this mean in Larias' guide?

[vivid vessel]

i mean

the cdm allows you to register sound event on buff gained

only buff gained tho

not stack gained

[inland acorn]

Ye its ass tho

[vivid vessel]

ye i know

i have a fth sound weak aura tho

still working on it tho

i need to update it a bit

[inland acorn]

[vivid vessel]

i have other ways to make it faster

cause rn

since blizzard decided to fuck with outlaw

and make cp gain delayed

cause idk

more fun

:D

[narrow pasture]

start requirement refers to ~25% haste for energy to feel good

[vivid vessel]

the sound also is delayed cause im watching cps

so ye

fuck blizzard

for making outlaw clunky

af

[narrow pasture]

sim before crafting to make sure

[inland acorn]

Just be happy your BF doesnt hit dead targets anymore

[wraith mist]

Why do I hear that outlaw has such great survivability but when I’m playing I feel extremely squishy?

People say it’s better self sustain than fury / havoc

[jolly geyser]

It had it

[narrow pasture]

they took away survivability talents

extra stam, etc.

[crimson scarab]

are you guys going to be running gouge or airborne irritant?

for m+

[narrow pasture]

in addition, with energy being extremely tight rn, youll be further hard-pressed to be using feints

[vivid vessel]

kinda gone

we are extremely durable for aoe damage (feint is 40% dr for aoe damage on 0 cd basiclaly)

but we are one of the squishiest class in the game for non aoe damage

we also have 0 self heal

as rogue

[narrow pasture]

choosing whether to use a defensive or continue your dps rotation in the year 2026 is evil work

[slim hare]

used to be all versa + some talent with extra stam and such
but now its no versa only feint(which is very very good and mandatory to use to not be paper) and healing is very low

dont have to choose every defensive is off gcd

[narrow pasture]

feint costs energy

[slim hare]

yeah with enough haste its not that bad, there is moment when you have plenty and can spare some and other where it feels rough

[hardy thicket]

Given its strength im fine with the energy cost

[slim hare]

• you can use vanish do dodge stuff now

[hardy thicket]

Odds are otherwise they'd replace it with something worse

[narrow pasture]

in extended fights when you run out of thistle im not sure we wont be running into issues

we'll have to see how relevant lower BR cd from set will be to fix energy completely

[slim hare]

depends on your luck if your one buff for too long it sucks

but jackpot + kyr you are good to go for a while

[hardy thicket]

I mean keep in mind other classes who can press defensives without messing with their rotation usually have a long CD or charged

Charges*

[balmy topaz]

Mythic+ week has been approved off of work

[crimson scarab]

can you guys please give any advices on what could be done better on the UI? Thanks a lot ^^

[balmy topaz]

With your UI?

I mean it's your UI it's whatever you feel comfortable with

Can you press blade flurry - RTB - AR in that order

then take a Screenshot

[crimson scarab]

here u go

[narrow pasture]

looks like you have all the things to track covered

id personally change the texture on the energy and combo point bars to something brighter and easier to track on the eyes, but thats personal preference

[crimson scarab]

thats with all the buffs active

[vivid vessel]

hm

[narrow pasture]

definitely can take off slice

if you open with the suggested dispatch, you can forget about tracking the buff as its reapplied passively in your rotation

[sterile dune]

Why rogues got gutted in terms of surviveability?

[crimson scarab]

yeye i know, its mainly for the beginning of the dung so that i dont forget to press it in the bubble 😄

[sterile dune]

They used to be immortal

Now they paper

[narrow pasture]

cus no realz

to stand up for us

[polar kelp]

We really aren't. You have a 20%dr or a 40% aoe dr on almost no cd with feint. You have cloak, evasion, vanish

Just gotta use it

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

you did assa?

idk how to setup

bleeds

pandemic

idk how its supposed to work

[balmy topaz]

Waht does it look like when you get a Opp proc

@vivid vessel

Chat overlay for stream

[vivid vessel]

dont ping me noob

[balmy topaz]

[vivid vessel]

what

[balmy topaz]

I need a chat overlay

for stream

[vivid vessel]

well

[balmy topaz]

Idk what to use

[vivid vessel]

i made one for myself

with like

spotify

and cats dancing

idk

make something fun

[crimson scarab]

like this

[vivid vessel]

ye good one

[balmy topaz]

And then

Random emojis

Make it a bit cooler

[balmy topaz]

I like the opp

[crimson scarab]

i think it should suffice 😄

[balmy topaz]

But

you are tracking it twice

[crimson scarab]

yeah i know, im still undecided in which of the 2 places i prefer it

[vivid vessel]

bro wtf is assa

[clever wasp]

where are u getting that from

[vivid vessel]

is it even dumber than sub or what

what am i supposed to track

as assa

[balmy topaz]

Do you track evenom anymore

i don't even know

[vivid vessel]

no

[clever wasp]

dots and envenom i believe

[balmy topaz]

So it's just bleed management

[clever wasp]

mostly due to u wanting to remove the envenom stacks for energy

[vivid vessel]

what bleed management

you have 2 bleeds

idk im missing something

[balmy topaz]

Epedemic windows

Do you pool

Like

This spec sounds omega easy

[clever wasp]

it is

but sub is easier

[balmy topaz]

Surely not

[clever wasp]

for sure

[hasty warren]

why no body play melee dd bruh

[delicate brook]

Cuz melees do 0 dam ATM.

[hasty warren]

we have 6 melee and 10 ranges and only ranges are proposing in rio

[delicate brook]

Look at the tunings. Melees are just bad. U get downtimes on a lot of boss abilities but don't get compensated for anything.

[balmy topaz]

Hunters are playing survival now

to balance the books

We don't want other melees to be good tho

the less people in melee

the better

[hasty warren]

isn't uhdk and survival the only good melee rn ?

[balmy topaz]

I mean rogue is fine

So is ret

[delicate brook]

Yes because they are not real melees.

[balmy topaz]

ret is dooming for no reason

[delicate brook]

DK and surv can press 80% of their kit from 20-30 yards

[clever wasp]

are they tho? isnt it literally mm

[brisk meadow]

[hasty warren]

raptor strike is more important now

even if u can aspect of the eagle every minutes

[delicate brook]

Yeah but we can't press anything can we

[shut lichen]

well u have the freedom to press eagle if needed

[vivid vessel]

ok there is actually a cool minmax

i like it

[shut lichen]

cool minmax till u find out tracking is not working properly

[balmy topaz]

They are equal atm

[clever wasp]

yeah but equal = range wins always

[balmy topaz]

Not wrong tbf

[clever wasp]

just look at druid 😭 feral can be better in everyway and balance is still the play

[balmy topaz]

I think as soon as you take cleave talents as feral tho

[shut lichen]

power of being able to cleave 40 yrds innit

[balmy topaz]

their ST shits the bed

[clever wasp]

not as badly anymore but sure u have a point

[balmy topaz]

Okay ye that's kinda cool

[shut lichen]

to put it lightly

[clever wasp]

i mostly think its just due to thier aoe being absolute shit profile wise

so much shit to do before doing real dmg shits just dead

[balmy topaz]

Yeah good point

[lime lake]

Feral is the play theyre just sandbagging

[balmy topaz]

The stream overlay is coming togther

[sterile dune]

Photoshopped

It said feral druid, UH dk, and arcane mage in there

They swappednit for outlaw

[clever wasp]

@balmy topaz would my banner make a good fit for ur stream overlay?

[balmy topaz]

YES

GIMME

I need it for the top bit

[clever wasp]

i shall provide

[balmy topaz]

[clever wasp]

1 sec

[balmy topaz]

You are answering so many prayers rn

[clever wasp]

i hate alot of ss from funny moments

[balmy topaz]

Anything like this I will promote

[normal forge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal forge]

which embellishment is that "hunt" ?

this one i guess, so it does not goes on weapons

[clever wasp]

@balmy topaz

gonna try to find some more in my folders

[balmy topaz]

Do send them across

[timid portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1089995382601293895/1471860603151716524/obraz_2026-02-13_142219904.gif

[balmy topaz]

Not negative enough

[brisk meadow]

but outlaw is less than three

i bet sub is atleast a 5

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry you using ayjkee cdm or

[keen belfry]

I set it up last night

Gonna try it more

[mystic berry]

zac

stream what hours?

[vivid vessel]

you can add options to it per specs with weak aura

things im missing rn

im just adding

like that

[vivid vessel]

20h30 french time raid

uh im only 3 night a week this tier so idk

no clue which nights are my raid

[keen belfry]

What’s this

[vivid vessel]

and then keys idk i will stream all day

[vivid vessel]

i just told you ?

[keen belfry]

You added that?

[vivid vessel]

per specs options that you dont have in ayjee

but i made a weak aura so i have them

ayjee made all his functions apis callable trough external things

so

[keen belfry]

Send

[vivid vessel]

no

[keen belfry]

Dm send

[vivid vessel]

private tech

i keep the magic

[keen belfry]

You have no magic

[digital gale]

Hi guys, quick question, main hand + Helmet are our best early crafts?

[vivid vessel]

i do actually

[zinc briar]

How can we fix that?

[vivid vessel]

well

fatebound has a way

because fatebound get 3 cps on the first ss when you proc

which isnt delayed

for trickster there isnt a way to fix that

[zinc briar]

It happens in subt?

[vivid vessel]

waht

[zinc briar]

Something delayed

Combo points with sound

Or something like that

[vivid vessel]

i dont think we are talking about the same thing rn

[zinc briar]

Whats delayed in outlaw?

[vivid vessel]

the procced cps from procced ss

the 2 other cps

[keen belfry]

Main hand then fill in piece, maybe ring

[vivid vessel]

they are delayed now

its new

from midnight

cuase idk

[balmy topaz]

Not annoying

at all

[vivid vessel]

dev decided to break the spec

[zinc briar]

Ahm ok

[vivid vessel]

for no reason at all

[remote pecan]

nah it happened in tww too

[vivid vessel]

no

not like that

lol

[remote pecan]

maybe its worse

[digital gale]

i see, thx

[zinc briar]

In subt when u recover the full combo points its slow

[remote pecan]

but it was definately delayed before too

[zinc briar]

Also like delayed

Y have to stop fingers like 1 sec

[vivid vessel]

it can be delayed up to 400+ ms rn

[remote pecan]

i know for sure there were times in tww where i reacted to the first cps and then the 2nd ones came in super late

at least with the spec being slower we can slow down and wait to see if they show up now

[slim hare]

what are you using to relpaace player frame ?

[normal forge]

thats why i hate trickesters coup, feel so slugish

[copper radish]

What’s y’all’s over under on maintenance being on time or extended

[lime lake]

Id be amazed with anything less than 2h extension

[balmy topaz]

wdym sorry

[slim hare]

player frame

you'r health bar on the left

[balmy topaz]

I just use ElvUI

[slim hare]

damn

[balmy topaz]

dman

[slim hare]

i don't want to

but i still have the vanilla one which suck i usually just hide it

[balmy topaz]

Ye it's pretty bad

[slim hare]

but with acdm it looks just easier to make that player frame okay

[slim hare]

what do you use for player frame ? tell me its not elvui pliz

[lime lake]

You can get a similar look with basically any of the unit frames addons

I use uuf, I think msuf is in the command here

[crimson scarab]

im using MSUF

midnight simplified user frames i believe its called

[slim hare]

ty

[balmy topaz]

Chat overlay done

[placid ocean]

What's with the outlaw hate

[fresh acorn]

I’m on the alt today for splits so that means outlaw gaming

[normal forge]

from who?

[placid ocean]

Read the picture

[normal forge]

old meme pics

if u are not unholy dk , they tell u that when u join m+ groups

[eternal solstice]

is it a skill issue is or outlaw rogue in m0s/m+ quite hard/underwhelming to play?

[hasty warren]

perfect

[mystic berry]

it simply have never been meta, specially in m+

for raids, there have been some good fights for the law

[hasty warren]

bfa S2

[mystic berry]

eh thats a decade ago tho

but true

[hasty warren]

bruh bfa was 10 years ago ?

i'm old

[glass mortar]

hard to play, underwhelming on short lived encounters when ur allies have cds

[vivid vessel]

@mighty pivot

you there cuh

[fossil lintel]

Nah wod was 12 years ago, BFA is less, there's still legion in there

[mystic berry]

its 2018

almost there

[daring oxide]

How’s outlaw doing atm?

Pumping big damage?

[vivid vessel]

OUTLAW !!!

[daring oxide]

Oh dear

I hope outlaw is good when I come back to play wow next tier

[eternal solstice]

perhaps ill have to play with cooldown manager and keybinds to make it easier to play, but it feels like i have to track at least 3 things + pay attention to instance mechanics (interrupts, aoe, corrent position etc)

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[vivid vessel]

i mean thats wow?

or wdym

[eternal solstice]

compared to retri pala its like addition vs integrals

pala sees spell off cd pala presses it

[slim hare]

yep and prunning happend pala didnt change much while we got significantly easier

[mighty pivot]

missed me, sweetie?

[vivid vessel]

yo

so

i have this massive issue

in keys sometimes there is this objective frame at the top of the screen right

like open 3/4 traps

you know that shit

its this

[mighty pivot]

yes

[vivid vessel]

i cant figure out how to move it

with like a weak aura or smth

[mighty pivot]

can't you just SetPoint it?

[vivid vessel]

ye but

how do i get the frame tho

like i thought

this would get it right

[mighty pivot]

you see it there, no? UIWidgetblabla

[vivid vessel]

wait

why is it a l

instead of a I

[winter cave]

Hey guys, I know it's not a log but I lack points of comparison, was doing some ST testing and training on dummy. Does 35k ST DPS seem coherent in practice or is it enough to say I have some big rotational issues and should be doing way more ?

[mighty pivot]

it is a capital I

not an L

[vivid vessel]

i think i got trolled

[mighty pivot]

noob

[vivid vessel]

i sued this right

to copy text

and it made it a l

instead of a I

and i couldnt see it

[formal knot]

🥀 this is the brightest outlaw mind we have...

[vivid vessel]

so i didnt undersand why it wouldnt work ..

[mighty pivot]

happens

[mighty pivot]

zac's mind was pruned for midnight

[inland parcel]

Hi. If i have 4 combo Points and opportunity proc (6) do i use it?

[mighty pivot]

sim yourself using the target dummy option and compare

[winter cave]

no you waste a CP most likely

[mighty pivot]

you PS yes

despite wasting 1 cp

[winter cave]

wait what

[slim hare]

op 6

and need cp

you op

[mighty pivot]

yup

[slim hare]

thats simple

[inland parcel]

How many combo does it Give?

[mighty pivot]

4 with 2/2 fth

[slim hare]

if op 3 you don't

[winter cave]

Okay you do press it at 6 my bad

corrected a mistake I was making as well already haha

[ember bay]

hey guys, with recent sub aoe nerf is outlaw the go to rogue spec for m+?

[mighty pivot]

we cannot know yet

[inland parcel]

Ty

[winter cave]

I'm going outlaw just because sub bores me to death in M+ personnally haha

[sterile dune]

Outlaw is way more fun

Assa is giga braindead

Outlaw legit fun as hell

[winter cave]

I'd rather play Assa than sub currently though

In Raid that's debatable

[slim hare]

outlaw seems like it might be ok for raid and M+ (design wise) but numbers also seems a bit low

[sterile dune]

Assa and sin not same?

Lol

[glass mortar]

i prefer assass to sin or assa tbh

[winter cave]

Typed too quick

sick and lack of coffee as well :p

[jolly geyser]

I type ass

[glass mortar]

💅

[sterile dune]

U know what will get u

Ur twink ah cured quicker?

More sleep deprevation with wow

That’ll get you healed up!

[winter cave]

mmmh 5k diff with sim

with no buffs

but sim got way better rolls

[sterile dune]

Sim gae

Never trust

[mighty pivot]

what you can do is log your dummy, and then compare the sim to the log. Even with worse rolls you can still check things like buff uptime, casts etc

dummies can be laggy too so you lose some there

[lost gate]

Hi guys, outlaw noob here, how is the single button assistance in terms of accuracy for outlaw? it's pretty borked for sub and just attempting to learn outlaw now incase it really does pull ahead so was going to use it as a psuedo-hekili to start learning the spec

[glass mortar]

i mean it suffers from the same issues of not using ur major cds it does for sub i imagine, and the slowing down it does to the spec causes it to even when minmaxed to be a significant loss

[lost gate]

Okay, so outside of major CDs, which I wouldn't use it for anyway, it's still pretty crap?

[mighty pivot]

I don't think it presses AR which is important piece of outlaw

[molten crater]

I feel like you’d be better off using maxdps over single button lol

[lost gate]

Yeah I have no issues there as I'm pretty okay working out when to press AR - just the building + spending prio

[winter cave]

I did another 5-min manual run I got one extended jackpot

basically got 39k

which is a lot closer to the sim

[mighty pivot]

wouldn't the button highlight mode be a better candidate then?

[winter cave]

So I'm guessing I must be somewhat okay on gameplay

which is the main thing I wanted to check

[lost gate]

No idea mate, only just come back before the start of midnight, that's why I'm asking

[mighty pivot]

try the highlight mode instead, it just highlights which button to press next

[winter cave]

I just end up having more BtE dmg than dispatch usually

which is the one big diff I can see 🤔

[pure folio]

i mean spending is super simple. bte>dispatch. thats it. #outlaw-faq explains it all, its very simple i dont think you need one button assistance, if u were to use it there is an option that highlights abilities to press but you wouldnt be learning anything from either

just dont focus on the minmaxes

[arctic delta]

hey guys, any spreadsheets with loot and upgrade tracks available yet?

[lost gate]

mixmaxes being stuff like?

[pure folio]

if u look at the faq, there is a section about minmaxes

ignore that

[lost gate]

ty, yeah reading it now

shoulda just clicked through 🙂

[pure folio]

just read the explanation of all the abilities and general rotation

[winter cave]

Yeah the difficulty lies in getting really used to what to do based on current CP/Opportunity stacks

but some dummy practice and the brain makes it automatic quite quick

a good CP UI really helps

[tribal cosmos]

When servers up

[vivid vessel]

tomorrow 5am

[tribal cosmos]

Shut up

[vivid vessel]

no

i dont think i will

[tribal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

Servers up in like one hour ?

[fresh orchid]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[slim hare]

5 or 6 am for us? i never know when vault open

[vivid vessel]

idk either lol

i think its 5 am idk

could be 7 actually

[slim hare]

x) will see

[vivid vessel]

no we wont

[slim hare]

vault was never 7 am

[vivid vessel]

aint no way you waking up at 5 am

[slim hare]

so seems weird

[vivid vessel]

actually i will be up at 5 am

[slim hare]

hahaha

[vivid vessel]

so i can tell you

[slim hare]

you don't know me

[fiery timber]

7 for most of us eu boys i guess

[slim hare]

i ll be up at 5 if i need to

[fiery timber]

lmao

[vivid vessel]

i woke up at 2 am today

[fiery timber]

u cooked

[slim hare]

damn

[vivid vessel]

i should be up at 5 am tomorrow

[slim hare]

when do you sleep wtf

[vivid vessel]

then sleep kinda fixed

[slim hare]

true

[vivid vessel]

i was in a degen cycle

im back now i think

like i will go to sleep at like 22h tonight prolly

decent time

[fiery timber]

y good time

[vivid vessel]

well i guess thats a long day but

its fine

[craggy quiver]

Finally wow starts soon

[vivid vessel]

need to fix myself for raid

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

[craggy quiver]

What's up zaccy

[vivid vessel]

trhis reset is still empty bro ..

no m+

[craggy quiver]

Well there is raid

So it's something

[fiery timber]

its something atleast

[slim hare]

almost empty reset

[fiery timber]

and there is no rush next week

[craggy quiver]

We need someone to sandbag outlaw logs

[slim hare]

like yeah its not empty but might aswell be empty for m+ player

[vivid vessel]

i mean its empty for raiders aswell lol

unless you do 20 splits

[slim hare]

we need everyone to sandbag imo

[vivid vessel]

i think my ui is done

[craggy quiver]

Let's see it

[slim hare]

outlaw will already suck when everyone got set
BUT heroic week we will be op get a nerf and never get buffed again

whatch it happen exactly as i described

[craggy quiver]

It happens every expac

But we will see

Maybe this time be different

[slim hare]

i don't believe it will

condition seems perfect for that scenario

again

[slim hare]

Share !

[vivid vessel]

ye i need to make a google doc

for everything

[slim hare]

❤️

[bright plaza]

Fatebound outlaw is the top raid spec right now for rogue?

[craggy quiver]

I think sub it

Sim wise

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

[bright plaza]

You're a sandbagger

[final willow]

Hi, I want to ask an extreme case of "lucky" proc in the rotation
I am practicing on the dummy, with an extended level 3 roll the bones. Somehow my loaded dice from the last ar is still active, and my adrenaline rush came off cooldown. My roll the bones buff will fall off shortly, and when it falls off, loaded dice will still be active.
Should I prioritize putting ar back to cd and waste the previous loaded dice, or should I wait to use the loaded dice buff at the cost of wasted cdr on ar?

[keen belfry]

sup lil bro

[fresh orchid]

I'm not near pc currently, did they fix blind is it aoe or not

[vivid vessel]

do you know what this is ?

idk why its always greyed out for me

i was thinking its supposed to be an icon always there like greyd out when buff isnt there

but idk

[slim hare]

doesnt work imo

[keen belfry]

maybe a testing function?

[knotty agate]

Are there specs that scale better than others with increased stats as the xpac progresses? The classic example is fury warrior in vanilla - pathetic without gear, godlike with high crit+hit. Or does blizzard aim to bring everyone back to average via balance patches with every new tier?

[keen belfry]

like show test bar type shit

[slim hare]

when you put anything inside a group its always display while the window is open

[fresh orchid]

In theory yes, in practice no because blizzard sucks at balancing and they are not logical at all

[final willow]

frost dk

[fresh orchid]

Frost dk is best example of scaling with stats, but no one guarantees you it will be good in s2 or s3

[slim hare]

in theory pala never scale and suck in later season, in practice they always recieve buff / nerf so they are not godlike / thrash

[narrow pasture]

thats something bound to happen when you have perfect uptime on a target, not a lucky occurence. using AR and overwriting the dice buff should be better in all cases, as it would net you more than potentially getting a 2 roll on the dice

either way you probably wont see this occur in content gameplay, as from what i remember when i was hitting dummies, this scenario took like 5+ minutes of non stop uptime

[tropic zephyr]

Yeah stat scaling is mostly an urban legend with modern wow

[keen belfry]

it exists but is usually overriden by tuning

but its better to scale as you arent reliant on tuning

buts for most everything, its useless me thinks

[sterile dune]

Old vanilla wow rage formula

Hit target for 1500 dmg

Generate 180 rage

But ur rage bar doesnt go above 100

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

[river wing]

p sure the formula was way less lenient for Rage lmao

[sterile dune]

Warriors just scaled exponentially with gear

Back then

[river wing]

well yes

but also hitting a shield doesn't gen Rage
and the more armor your target has, the less Rage you get because the actual damage inflicted counts rather than base damage before everything

being a pre-raid Arms in PvP is pain in Vanilla, you basically had to get Unstoppable Force to even amount to anything

[sterile dune]

Nah, arms was broken in pvp

Cuz for fury u needed uptime

On target

But arms just needed to stay on u for 2 secs to take 80% of ur hp

[tight kernel]

sandbag what lmao

[river wing]

Arms was really only broken when BWL opened up (or if you actually had a Sulfuras)

[tight kernel]

bro the spec is a sandbag wym

[sterile dune]

Nah, sulfuras wasnt thst great

Poop wep

Paladin weapon

[river wing]

because arms in blues? charges and crits with MS and still does maybe 40% of your HP

[sterile dune]

The wep from naxx was better and easier to grt

Get

[river wing]

well duh naxx lmao

[sterile dune]

An epic 2h > legendary

Lol

[river wing]

yeah an epic two and a half tiers later you mean

[sterile dune]

Yeah

But the rage formula was so bad in vanilla

[river wing]

well yes

[sterile dune]

Where u got 0 rage if u had 0 gear and endless if u had a lot

That they normalized it in tbc

And i still believe that the tbc rage formula

Is the best and most balanced rage formula we ever had

Obv it wouldnt work today with how warrior class design is

[river wing]

they also made Rend scale with AP in TBC
absolute trash-tier before that, only useful to break stealth

[sterile dune]

But back then it fit warriors perfectly

If they jad that rage formula in vanilla

Which btw its absolutely backportable

It would’ve solved so many issues

[sterile dune]

Yes

That was a good thing too

[river wing]

would've made levelling less miserable for sure lmao

TBC warr levelling is already miles ahead of vanilla levelling just for that

[sterile dune]

But in midnight

Warriors and rogues are shid

Whereas back then they were the kings

[glass mortar]

idk where u got the idea warrior is shid

[sonic flint]

Yo guys, got a quick question, when at 5 combo points and Between the Eyes is off cd is it better to send it at 5 Combo Points (or a 5CP Dispatch) or use Sinister to get 6/7 but risk overcapping if I get a proc (Using the Fatebound Hero Talents) 🤔

[tight kernel]

damn Aug is dead dead huh

lmao

[glass mortar]

arms got nerfed like 15 patches in a row on beta/ptr

that spec must have been the sun

based on how much its been nerfed over the last 3 months

[glass mortar]

6+ for bte

[vivid vessel]

@mighty pivot

you there

[glass mortar]

build

[calm osprey]

You go ahead and build to 6+ combo points and use BtE. Sending BtE at 6+ is a high priority. More important than possibly overcapping CPs

[sonic flint]

Aight, got it, ty ty

[mighty pivot]

@vivid vessel

you there

[copper radish]

Ready for these Friday notes for this aura buff we are gonna get

[vivid vessel]

does that mean this is an event im supposed to be able to hook onto

[tight kernel]

Didnt we get passed on 2nd set of tuning?

[vivid vessel]

cause it doesnt work but idk maybe im doing it wrong

i do get error as if it didnt exist

[mighty pivot]

this is a function called when that event is raised. That event might be only available through the event registry (https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/EventRegistry) you will have to check the source code of blizzard's ui to see what is registered for that function

[vivid vessel]

ok fuck you

you went too far

[mighty pivot]

ty

[vivid vessel]

where do i read blizzard source code

tho i dont think i wanna do that

im ngl

ye i dont want to do that

do i want to do that

[slim hare]

xDDDD

[vivid vessel]

seems too far bro im ngl

like 5 hour endehavour

to find something

[slim hare]

import relevant section to chatgpt and ask him

[mighty pivot]

https://github.com/BigWigsMods/WoWUI/tree/live as long as you are logged in you can search in the code directly and you should find references to that function (but I ain't gonna do that )

[slim hare]

10 min endehavour to get an answer if its gonna take long or not

[vivid vessel]

all good

i had another idea

i just hook onto onupdate why do i even care

[empty tulip]

nothing changed to spec/rotation/priority right?

i simply refuse to play sub its so boring

[tight kernel]

zac ur a sub boy for prog ye?

[vivid vessel]

i mena prolly

[tight kernel]

just feels like another season of sub till ce then swap and hope for outlaw

[unkempt dew]

I just want to see some outlaw streamers

[mighty pivot]

what if this is the fabled outlaw tier

[tight kernel]

[cinder relic]

Have u looked at the raid

[tight kernel]

no its doom

so its time to gloom

[copper radish]

DW 10% Aura buff Inc on Friday’s notes just in time for keys

[tight kernel]

Me going outlaw after Fridays aura buffs

[patent mirage]

howdy

[glass mortar]

meowdy*

[frail veldt]

Prediction, outlaw gets buffed so it's better than sub. Assa gets buffed even more so we still don't play outlaw

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160075723466362922/1471865725260922923/4xtuh.avif

[vivid vessel]

outlaw getting buffed

[strange pelican]

ah so sub is the go-to for m+ and raid rn even after the tuning?

[frail veldt]

What tuning

[strange pelican]

the aoe nerf to sub set to go out today

[frail veldt]

I'm jk cuz outlaw didn't get any

And people are on the fence

[strange pelican]

XD ye i feel u, im on the fence too not sure whats on top rn

just tryna figure it out

[wintry phoenix]

Just play what you like

[stable sigil]

Does this never roll "one of a kind"? Feels like there is a bad luck protection in the opener or what?

[strange pelican]

theres a talent that gives you +1 on roll after adrenaline rush so it never comes up as 1 of a kind

[vivid vessel]

read loaded dice talent

[strange pelican]

yessirrrr

[stable sigil]

thats what i was looking for thanks

[cinder relic]

Ppl in here are just obsessed with sub

[tight kernel]

bro didnt you

play sub

all last tier

or close to?

[cinder relic]

Because it was the better spec?

[strange pelican]

brother im just asking LOL

[tight kernel]

im just sayin

wild com

[cinder relic]

Ur "just saying" nothing

[tight kernel]

Sorry

[cinder relic]

I played the spec thats better last tier

[inland hemlock]

so you think outlaw is the better spec this tier?

[tight kernel]

I will put a happy tone to my writing mister ^_^

[cinder relic]

I think Sin or Otl look better

[crisp elm]

are the fights burst adds?

[inland hemlock]

bro living on the fence

[cinder relic]

Its not about your tone its about what ur saying

[inland hemlock]

soft

[cinder relic]

What ur saying is just dumb

[vivid vessel]

it has been the best spec for the past 3 exapc every single tier bro

of course

and outlaw has been the complete oposite

pardon me for not believing in outlaw

[cinder relic]

Outlaw was good in vault

[vivid vessel]

especially when it doesnt look particularly insane

[cinder relic]

Sin was good in undermine

[vivid vessel]

cool bro

you didnt really contradict my point tho

but ok

[cinder relic]

Yeah I just mean the responses

I think this raid looks less good than any previous tier for sub

But it really depends on what "rogues job" is in the raid

[vivid vessel]

i mean sure

i would agree

but its also hard to be hyped for outlaw in raid

[inland hemlock]

I think the point is that people arent obsessed with sub. People are obsessed with knowing what the best spec is

[vivid vessel]

over other specs

[copper radish]

Friday…. Definitely Friday

[vivid vessel]

outlaw doesnt look particularly strong idk

[strange pelican]

basically this, which i think is fair

[vivid vessel]

it looks to be tuned about whats its usually tuned at

[tight kernel]

Give me a solid 5 min patchwork fight I go outlaw I swear

[cinder relic]

If u wanna know the best spec, we dont know yet, people in this channel just say "sub is the best spec" every tier without actually looking at the raid

[vivid vessel]

looking at sims (lol) i would even say its on the mid end rather than top end compared to usual

[real yew]

is outlaw fun to play rn, boys? Do we still have high apm?

[vivid vessel]

well

lets just say if you had to blindly gamble every tier the last 3 expac

[inland hemlock]

your insinuating that dont agree that sub is better than outlaw, even though you flat wont say it because your afraid to be wrong

[vivid vessel]

and you gambled it all on sub every tier

you would be elon musk by now

[tight kernel]

lmao

[grim spear]

[cinder relic]

I have no idea what spec is best

The 2nd hardest boss in the raid is so anti sub

[gilded tinsel]

A wild Otsdarva is typing 🙂

[near rock]

Roulette table hit black 3 times in a row, surely it hits black again

[inland hemlock]

if god held a gun to your head and asked what the best spec. What wouldbe your answer

[grim spear]

nono, sub’s odds would probably be something like 1.01

[cinder relic]

Gun to my head I'd lean towards sin or outlaw atm

[vivid vessel]

ye or there is some specs that are just better by design?

[inland hemlock]

haqhahah he cant say it

[vivid vessel]

lololol

[gilded tinsel]

Always bet on black meng

[inland hemlock]

he wont take a hard stance

[tight kernel]

nah bro the odds sub is good is just hitting the table brother

[inland hemlock]

so funny

[cinder relic]

can't say what?

[tight kernel]

hit and win lmao

[shut lichen]

pretty sure u can play whatever in ur normal and hc raids and shit will die

[strange pelican]

bro what did i start in here HAHAHA my bad

[shut lichen]

real shit is whatever tuning next week decides

[cinder relic]

idc if I'm wrong lol, I'm just saying I don't have a lot of faith in sub overall. I think deathstalker is a bit larp, trading all ur cleave away I think is a bad profile to have, I think sub can't really shift its cooldowns around as efficiently as it used to, I think it's burst isn't as relevant

[tight kernel]

Well yeah, that isnt the discussion. Play aug and shit dies. Point being is Mythic prog

[cinder relic]

Idrc if I'm wrong, I think this tier is hard to tell

[random stirrup]

im sure no one will be sandbagging when tuning is previously announced

[cinder relic]

All the rogue specs have strengths

[random stirrup]

warlocks/boomies/mages/hunters will not be playing the wrong hero tree

intentionally

[wintry phoenix]

Trickster can't cleave as well as it did in the previous expansion either

[lime lake]

suddenly going to see a ton of elunes chosen in raid

[shut lichen]

(#outlaw message)

[near rock]

Sub got a lot of changes, outlaw got a lot of changes, entire different raid. You just can’t know what will be the best

[fair sparrow]

it sure as fuck isnt assa

[tight kernel]

I mean.. you can take the passive route and be on a fence to not be wrong

[random stirrup]

ive got 80% odds on sub

[tight kernel]

or can just say outlaw isnt the desired raiding spec

[random stirrup]

much lower than the 99% i had in mfo

[tight kernel]

again

[wintry phoenix]

Devourer will be the best

[shut lichen]

i'm mean whatever they decide to do is there prerogative

[wintry phoenix]

Get your DH ready

[gilded tinsel]

Been ready

[cinder relic]

I do think theres a non zero chance that sub and sin get a buff for underperforming this week because sub has like a 14% tier set though xd

[craggy barn]

we running full cleave setup in raid guy?

[cinder relic]

and sin is just undertuned without a good kill timer

Ik its undersimming but yeah

[rose kernel]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[random stirrup]

im sure there will not be a giant influx of handless gamers who rerolled to sub hearing it was "2 button spec!" now who will decimate the heroic 50th percentile

and completely int cds and fail to pad at all

[shut lichen]

if ur not padding ur not playing sub

[lime lake]

[shut lichen]

[vivid vessel]

also you keep saying this but in theory from what we know there should be 3 bosses harder than that one

[fair sparrow]

my powders are potent

[cinder relic]

Nobody in the world knows how the raid is going to be tuned man

[fair sparrow]

what boss is anti sub

[soft shard]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shut lichen]

the vanguard dudes

[gilded tinsel]

I’m assuming the paladin trio

[vivid vessel]

i mean bro lol

[fair sparrow]

oh 3 target

[random stirrup]

rogue's job is gonna be to burst the shield lady who runs out on paladin trio

guess what spec is best at that

[fair sparrow]

assa duh

[cinder relic]

Holy cope

[vivid vessel]

blizzard is usually still pretty good at making the last boss of the raid the hardest etc, you wont have boss 3 be harder than boss 9

now you gonna take the one single example where that has been true

its ok tho

[vivid vessel]

ranged job

im not moving

[random stirrup]

she doesn't run that far and tank kites onto her anyway

[fair sparrow]

my sectec is not being used unless the three of them are stacked

[inland hemlock]

just watch RWF stream and whatever their rogue is playing when servers come up play that spec. easy

[fair sparrow]

wrong channel for that though

[vivid vessel]

fr fr

[vivid vessel]

ye hc week

we will know

during hc week

[inland hemlock]

yup

[fair sparrow]

yup

then assa gets buffed into being thanos

[random stirrup]

that'll be week 8 tuning

[vivid vessel]

sub tier set is about 4x better than outlaw tier set btw

[tight kernel]

We should ask him

brb

[fair sparrow]

isnt sub tier straight up the best one number wise

like of all leather tier

[vivid vessel]

i think it is cause aug got nerfed

[inland hemlock]

dont worry, i got Max cell..gimme 1 sec

[vivid vessel]

i havent checked

[random stirrup]

isnt it the best one of all specs

[fair sparrow]

oh wow is it of all specs?

god damn

[shut lichen]

aug's tier was the best

then it got nerfed last night

[fair sparrow]

i only know my immediate competition

[cinder relic]

One of the best in the game overall

[vivid vessel]

it is the best

[shut lichen]

so sub's i think is one of if not the best

[fair sparrow]

GAH DAMN 14%

WTF IS THAT

[vivid vessel]

now im not saying

you will all get baited by outlaw in hc week when no one has tier

but im saying it

[tight kernel]

bro.. I know youre happy about this. Aug got deleted from m+ after last nights tunings

[vivid vessel]

because it happens every single tier

and

sub got an insane tier this tier so it will be dog in hc week

[vivid vessel]

idc anymore

i have a team

wont see an aug anyway

[wooden pilot]

rwf homies also just prep and play all specs until mythic so that’s useless

[glass mortar]

nah whatever specs are in HC today when it opens are the giga specs dont let the haters distract u

100p that comps going all the way to world first

[shut lichen]

Sinsational

[tight kernel]

How many devs we thinking

3-4

[glass mortar]

well theres 2 dev specs now

so that makes it a little easier to get 3-4 of them

[shut lichen]

i mean dev is probs the best spec in this coming raid

tierlists and shit be damned

[cinder relic]

The biggest issue Outlaw is going to have is that ur crafting a sword going blind into last bosses mythic but

[shut lichen]

lizards stay winning

[glass mortar]

pres also probably still a bit busted

they nerfed the hyper op apex tho

[cinder relic]

lowkey crafting sword + dagger isnt even that bad an idea

[keen belfry]

thats what i did last tier

u felt it later tho

[vivid vessel]

how

[shut lichen]

a bit of a raid nerf for nice m+ buff

so can see pres too

[vivid vessel]

its kinda terrible

[keen belfry]

u feel the -50 crests or whatever it is later

[vivid vessel]

i mean at least now outlaw off hand is giga but

other specs its not

[wooden pilot]

don't we get another spark by second week of mythic?

[vivid vessel]

so you are just wasting crests

[vivid vessel]

ok but crafts are costing crests

i think you guys always forget that when talking about crafts

like if you are crafting an off hand

you need to think abotu

[shut lichen]

just loot myth wep from vault, ez

[vivid vessel]

would you have upped an off hand ?

cause i can tell you in tww

on sub

[cinder relic]

Its a hedge craft

[vivid vessel]

upping an off hand instead of idk legs or some shit

was legit -1/2%

[random stirrup]

Wasting a spark isn’t bad I assume he means