outlaw

[vapid sundial]

this class attracts zoomers

wcyd

[cinder relic]

Throw them off a cliff

[vapid sundial]

[shadow hawk]

Outlaw attracts degens

[vapid sundial]

yes, zoomers

[pure folio]

let me guess

u play s ilent too

[mystic berry]

You gotta have a special mindset to enjoy the law

[pure folio]

haha

[cinder relic]

I rotate between the classes still

Silent is the most fun tho

[wintry solar]

You gotta have a special mindset to stay in this discord

[limber bloom]

Hello guys i just started outlaw rogue this week (demo warlock was cheat but boring for me, i have a lot more fun on this outlaw spec), can someone tell me how you resolve energy issues ?

[pure folio]

sly feels so good

[vapid sundial]

how you what

[pure folio]

i feel like poison is so much worse in this than before

[vapid sundial]

Need more haste probably.

we have a pretty high haste rq

[balmy topaz]

Get haste

[cinder relic]

You need 20-25% haste, and the proper talent setup for energy issues to go away

[tight kernel]

Hi friend. Welcome to Outlaw discord!! I hope you enjoy your stay and enjoy our well design spec. If you have any questions please refer to the pins!!

[cinder relic]

They still exist with extremely bad luck, but u'll be fine

[vapid sundial]

[limber bloom]

Oh okay, only have 13% haste so that's probably the point x)

[vapid sundial]

Yeah

get a haste flask

gg gl

[tight kernel]

[wintry solar]

Ouch

[brisk meadow]

idk about you guys but i love every rogue channel, we got the outlaws who can't articulate mature conversations, we got assas who can articulate but every single one of them is and we got sub which is rogue onboarding every season

[wintry solar]

Meant to turn off ping

[cinder relic]

wow, that was awful, we should have instead told him how terrible the class design is and how stupid the developer is for capping blade flurry

[tight kernel]

True

[mystic berry]

We will get there

[vapid sundial]

BF cap is the least of our worries

[mystic berry]

if he returns here

[tight kernel]

Next question he asks

I gotchu guy

[pure folio]

yea u want like double that ideally, optimizing ur cp generation also helps and doing ur best to not roll 1s

[tight kernel]

I’ll remind him

[wintry solar]

And then blame you for being a shill

[balmy topaz]

#outlaw-faq Is a really good read to get started off somewhere

[wintry solar]

The cherry on top

[limber bloom]

Ahah i saw all that but i only care about having fun on my spec, even if it can be the lower part of tier lists for a long time x)

[mystic berry]

He wiill make a good outlaw

he got the mindset

[cinder relic]

If it makes u feel better, I think its gonna be a lot better than most ppl in here assume

[crimson scarab]

Outlaw grows on you if you play it well

Only spec in the game I can genuinely enjoy😌

[vapid sundial]

I am so sick of this class man how can these stupid damn devs think it is okay for them to still have this haste tax for us after over a year when all we do is complain and complain about they dont even listen man i swear is this spec designed by ai or what like i cant even begin to tell you or comprehend how they could come to the conclusion of doubling down on haste tax then giving one to sub as well like what are they even thinking dude how do we get here from the perfect spec as well as losing our range and the cap on bladeflurry like i just cant man why cant we go back to the good old days when the class was fun and made my fingers melt off like all i want to do now is complain in discord and just vent how bad the class is and how mad i am man like wtf am i supposed to do when the devs dont listen and just keep ruining my spec

[ashen void]

pally fight is for sure an outlaw fight

[mystic berry]

I think it largerly depends on the question people ask aswell
"Is it good?" is kinda a broad question

[tight kernel]

I am so sick of this class man how can these stupid damn devs think it is okay for them to still have this haste tax for us after over a year when all we do is complain and complain about they dont even listen man i swear is this spec designed by ai or what like i cant even begin to tell you or comprehend how they could come to the conclusion of doubling down on haste tax then giving one to sub as well like what are they even thinking dude how do we get here from the perfect spec as well as losing our range and the cap on bladeflurry like i just cant man why cant we go back to the good old days when the class was fun and made my fingers melt off like all i want to do now is complain in discord and just vent how bad the class is and how mad i am man like wtf am i supposed to do when the devs dont listen and just keep ruining my spec

[mystic berry]

He wanted to know about energy

[pliant moon]

I've been gone since TWW s1, what are we rerolling to this season? Ret?

[crimson scarab]

Stick to outlaw

[cinder relic]

Just to circle back to this, this entire narrative is beyond fucking stupid. Every single expansion, I write multiple wowhead articles about "What is wrong with the spec", I spend time making videos, again, highlighting "What sucks about the class", I write forum posts saying "What doesn't work about the spec"

But because I then don't spend another 5+ hours a day, shitposting, and stirring the pot in this discord, and instead try to find positive things out of a bad situation, I get labled a blizzard shill.

[mystic berry]

We should reply people asking if the law is good with this tbh

[vapid sundial]

Yeah, not a lot you can do.

If you don't only show hate nonstop you are the bad guy.

[fluid meadow]

can u tell me a positive opinion about mobs in dungeons which starts casting on stealthed players?

[vapid sundial]

What i want to know is

[mystic berry]

lets not go there

[vapid sundial]

why is blizzard so fucking obsessed with bolt slop this season

[ashen void]

no hes not the bad guy. hes the foreverguy

[vapid sundial]

why does every fucking mob

need to cast a random bolt

that just does random dmg

like hellow

why are you cosplaying fellowship

[mystic berry]

its interrupt bait

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1422618498991132914/image-7.gif

[crimson scarab]

Winner mindset lul

[mystic berry]

those small casts are just blizzard's way of saying "you better not interrupt this bro, polymorph will be coming, but I dare you to interrupt this"

[vapid sundial]

when i looked at these players

they were doing like

dogshit low keys

too

LOL

I got curious when I saw these pop around

[brave lagoon]

shame on you to want to gather the mobs instead of having casters in the 4 corners of the room

[crimson scarab]

I think it’s a canon event for every outlaw main to experience this at least once

[mystic berry]

most of the people who badmouth the law are lowk puggers tbh

[vapid sundial]

The canon event is being told how easy outlaw is

and that melee is so easy

[mystic berry]

the high end players will just not invite you

[crimson scarab]

Ah that as well

[tight kernel]

True

[tight kernel]

Truer

[crimson scarab]

Or ask u to switch to sub🥲

[tight kernel]

Last season at least, if you had a team you’re fine. No team gl or go sub

[crimson scarab]

Just the whole wow community perception of outlaw is so fcked up I really hate it

[tight kernel]

YOU ARE THE COMMUNITY

[vapid sundial]

Well.

[tight kernel]

Fix it

[vapid sundial]

it's because we act the way we do

negl

LOL

We are rats

[crimson scarab]

Ey I always invite outlaws

[vapid sundial]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mice-oae3Nv1fd0CYM

[tight kernel]

I don’t

[crimson scarab]

For my keys on another toons

[tight kernel]

Fuck those guys

I inv dk or mage and zoom

[crimson scarab]

Gotta show my support

[vapid sundial]

if i wasnt playing outlaw

i was shaman

why would i invite

a rogue to my key

??

[tight kernel]

Cutthroat world

[vapid sundial]

i need my paladin tank

my priest healer

and my aug evoker

[crimson scarab]

Gotta fix the community

[vapid sundial]

last slot needs to be another brez so gg rogue

[glass mortar]

true, rykers right

give rogue brez

[cinder relic]

Rogue probably shouldnt have had a 17 second AOE blind, but it shouldn't have had the whole thing removed

[glass mortar]

it makes sense in the lore if you dont think about it

we steal them back from death or something idk im not the writers

[vapid sundial]

wym we are just hitting our fellows with some crack

right up the nose

or their ass

whatever tehy prefer

bring em back up

give outlaw lust

[near rock]

being a shill implies he says blizz can do no wrong. he points out issues but doesn't dramatically doom

[brave lagoon]

idk why airborne irritant was changed tbh, was it pvp related or simply too powerful in pve

[lime lake]

its already canon that sometimes people who are dead are just faking

[glass mortar]

honestly i feel like our m+ toolkit is so weak we werent even A tier with a 20s cd aoe stop considering it was our only one

i think it woulda been reasonable

[lime lake]

our brez is just sticking our finger up their butt to make them stop faking

[brave lagoon]

as it stands now I can't even bother pressing blind anymore

[vapid sundial]

I didnt call him it

[glass mortar]

but yea id much prefer having any aoe stop back on a 45s cd even

[vapid sundial]

i said thats why hes called it

[glass mortar]

[lime lake]

would be too op

rogue doesnt need that much utility

[vapid sundial]

Meanwhile

one sec

[lime lake]

besides now we can take gouge

[vapid sundial]

[crimson scarab]

I’d argue if you want to be viable in high m+ keys it would be useful to have aoe cc

[lime lake]

blizzard disagrees with you so you are wrong

i dont make the rules

[crimson scarab]

Indeed I am

[lime lake]

[crimson scarab]

🥲

[vapid sundial]

Me removing acro from outlaw bc we put it in the class treee

me giving outlaw haste tax

[cinder relic]

Okay but this is like, way worse than a 17 seocnd AOE stop right

Even if its similar

[lime lake]

it was 24s

but yeah

point being we should still have something

[cinder relic]

I thought t was 17 with both talents

Yeah rogue needs more stuff for sure

[vapid sundial]

Okay but guy

[cinder relic]

I really think shroud should just get buffed tbqh

[vapid sundial]

they also have cap totem

that they can also reset

[glass mortar]

shroud buff would be good

[vapid sundial]

and lust

[brave lagoon]

in what way would shroud get buffed, duration?

[glass mortar]

give it more flexible utility somehow

[vapid sundial]

and a snare removal for group

[glass mortar]

no buff to usefullness

[brave lagoon]

there's true sight shit everywhere

[glass mortar]

buffing any of its specific traits rn would be useless because u need to design dungeons for skips to be good

[lime lake]

speed shroud should be baseline and the speed should work in combat

[glass mortar]

u cant just buff shroud to make skips good

ud need to make shroud able to do something else as well imo

[vapid sundial]

dont forget shaman also has root totem

[cinder relic]

Speed shroud should be baseline, and less mobs should have truesight

thats what I think

Every mob u would want to skip, has truesight

Meanwhile mind soothe just works lol

[vapid sundial]

I just think it's unfair how much utility other classes have

meanwhile rogue is over here trying to put a circle in the wrong hole

[brave lagoon]

I feel like skips don't matter much anymore because the trash count always forces you to pull linear unless you go for some wonky ass route that's only used in organized groups

[cinder relic]

I don't think that's an issue in a vacuum, but I think rogues toolkit should be improved

[vapid sundial]

Its an issue specifically when compared to rogue

imo

[wintry solar]

We had a seasonal affix to combat the need for rogue in BFA and it's been getting worse since

[cinder relic]

At the same time every class has terrible defensives compared to rogue (other than DK)

I think it's fine for classes to have strengths and weaknesses, and bigger, or smaller toolkits in certain areas

However; Outlaws utility toolbox in M+ has been kinda mid-ass for awhile

[brave lagoon]

S4 shadowland with the skip mob was the same way as late bfa pillar mob too

[vapid sundial]

Since we lost the ability to really use gouge

tbh

[cinder relic]

I think its mostly just like

What was rogue good at in BFA when it was "The most OP utility spec ever"

[vapid sundial]

every other class has like 2-3 forms of aoe cc and we arent allowed 1

[cinder relic]

It was "ST CCs, and shroud"

They removed shroud from the game basically

and single target CCs just started mattering less and less

If rogue had its current toolkit, back in BFA, it'd legit be a 3 of

[vapid sundial]

Not to mention they cost too much dmg nowadays

for rogue

[cinder relic]

8 second kidney would solo all of BFA

But that's just what BFA was about

[vapid sundial]

id be happy with a 1minute aoe blind

[cinder relic]

What Rogue excels at kinda doesn't matter anymore

[vapid sundial]

negl

[peak slate]

based

[vapid sundial]

Just the fact we have no aoe stop

is really bad

[cinder relic]

I agree. I think removing it entierly was dumb

[brave lagoon]

we got back shiv to remove enrages

[vapid sundial]

!!!

i sure want to press that button

[vapid sundial]

yepp

dont think i even have it talented on sub either

Yall can get a druid for that

[cinder relic]

Isn't rogues soothe literally the best one? I legit dont know

Like isn't the CD the lowest?

or

[vapid sundial]

depends

no

hunter is less

iirc

[oblique trench]

nah hunter

[cinder relic]

whats hunters CD

[oak river]

Why do we send 'Keep it Rolling' on 2 buff when it seems like getting 3 happens frequently enough? Is it not worth it to just save for 3+?

[vapid sundial]

wait thats druid

why did

google

YOU SUCK GOOGLE

[cinder relic]

If you hold for 3 you risk missing a lot of casts on average

[vapid sundial]

Tran is 20s

tranq*

[oak river]

Ahh okay makes sense. Thanks! 🙂

[cinder relic]

Ah so both druid and hunters soothe is better got it

[vapid sundial]

yeah idk

HAHHAA

oh

its also 10s now

that was an old tooltip

google is actually so worthless now

[brave lagoon]

[vapid sundial]

with ai

And then evoker has aoe soothe that is reduced by how many they cleanse iirc

[brave lagoon]

I was thinking about evoker soothe but I couldn't find it, I thought I was remembering shit wrong

[vapid sundial]

They have one

[lime lake]

they have a weird one

[vapid sundial]

its aoe

[lime lake]

its also tied to the ability that extends cc iirc

its strange

[brave lagoon]

ah this talent

[vapid sundial]

made me login

to my evoker

that is lvl 60

u mfs

Ive had that guy since they came out

[brave lagoon]

smh didn't even level one

[wintry solar]

Mine is still 56

[keen belfry]

Why didn’t assa or outlaw get any tuning I’ve been too busy

[vapid sundial]

Cuz blizz hates us

[wintry solar]

Flew too low under the radar

[cinder relic]

Outlaw didn't get tuning cuz its not actually that bad
Sin didn't get tuning because legit idk

[brave lagoon]

I'm in the only-plays-the-least-popular-classes gang

[cinder relic]

Its sort of insane funnel, and its like, the dagger rogue spec thats good at cleave which might matter in this raid, but ehhhhhhhhhhh

Sin is weird

[wintry solar]

Erm but why did Outlaw get a 12% aura buff in PvP?

Checkmate

[vapid sundial]

cuz pikaboo said the class is useless

*spec

[wintry solar]

Pika is washed idc what people say

[vapid sundial]

bro i dont watch pvpers

i just randomly saw the thumbnail

and kept on doom scrolling

[wintry solar]

Understandable

[vapid sundial]

I need to setup ellesmere ui

and do my last 4 m0

eugh

[brave lagoon]

I saw that elles ui video but idk why I should use it over something else

[vapid sundial]

Well

theres 0 gain from using elvui for me now

since i cant use style filters

so im just giving up fps for 0 reason

[jolly geyser]

its for people who like to tinker with ui stuff

[frail veldt]

Elles is so easy to setup

I literally wouldn't have touched my alts without it

[brave lagoon]

hmm, maybe I should look into it, but outside of 'making it look like my elvui profile' idk what else I'd do with it

[vapid sundial]

Gain mroe fps

xd

literally the main reason

[jolly geyser]

hope it doesnt break every major patch for ya,sitting there thumb in your ass come reset

[brave lagoon]

is there a measurable difference, or that's just hearsay

[vapid sundial]

He also added a mouse cursor to it

which is nice

so i dont need UMC

[jolly geyser]

you can get all the fps you need but murder row still lags

[vapid sundial]

ELvui is known for eating your fps

so

same as details

Okay lets see

[brave lagoon]

does that still applies to the gutted midnight versions, idk

[vapid sundial]

in open world rn

[brave lagoon]

I guess I have time to mess around with it today I'll try it out

[vapid sundial]

bro

wtf is this

klmfao

[blazing eagle]

does anyone know if this trinket is good ?

got it from prey

[mystic berry]

im a simple man

[vapid sundial]

also

with ellesmere you dont need wangbar

[mystic berry]

I see "granting you critical strike" I equip it

[vapid sundial]

lol

[mystic berry]

but fr try to sim it

[blazing eagle]

i guess so

[brave lagoon]

with or without details I hit about the same frames in silvermoon and during combat on the dummies in silvermoon as well, idk if it has that much of an impact on fps, unless it's specifically during raid encounters

[glass mortar]

details eating up ur fps is old news

new details is literally just a skin over the default blizzard meter

it cant collect any more data or anything so i doubt it effects frames to remotely degree it used to

[brave lagoon]

I mean that's about what I was suspecting earlier

[glass mortar]

its basically a decorator

[lavish shoal]

Default blizz meter owns so hard bro

It’s literally so good it set us forward 100 years

Awesome that they got rid of the death log

@vapid sundial thoughts?

[vapid sundial]

That's just a lie

[vapid sundial]

Guy is coping

Fellowship details is better

And that's saying something

[solar silo]

why cant i play outlaw with thesw 2 daggers

[vapid sundial]

But Idk I sure do like blizz killing things and not having a GOOD alternative

[lavish shoal]

Nah I’m not coping

[solar silo]

ambush and blade rush say they require 1h melee weap

[brave lagoon]

I gain about 5-6 fps in silvermoon without elvui, but it fluctuates a lot and still get the same lows and the same highs, the average is just a little bit higher

[vapid sundial]

Need a one hander

[glass mortar]

outlaw requires a slow mh

[brave lagoon]

idk if it's worth the hassle of figuring another UI suite altogether

[glass mortar]

🤷 I lose 1 like 1 fps and honestly its probably just my regular fps fluctuation playing with/without details on dummies

[solar silo]

ty

[glass mortar]

used to be way more

whatever its doing its not doing nearly as much anymore

[vapid sundial]

Elles is pretty damn easy

No brain required

[brave lagoon]

I get that it's easy

but my elvui profile has been there for years and I don't need to touch anything

I don't use their nameplates, I don't use their unitframes, I simply use it as a skin at this point, I doubt it has much of an impact on my performance idk

[lethal oak]

I've used default since 2004 ezpz

[vapid sundial]

Ew

[keen belfry]

Details is just a skin of dmg meter

It quite literally can’t be anything else

[lavish shoal]

Ngl

They are allowing daggers and 1h to be moggable

Why even have the distinction anymore

[brave lagoon]

can't do 2 separate meters with default afaik, no?

[keen belfry]

Can

[brave lagoon]

oh I missed that then

[lavish shoal]

Daggers/Swords being different is just unnecessary friction at this point

Imo since transmog was changed the class fantasy is cosmetic

[cinder relic]

Why not just make it so you get "weapon slot" and it can be any weapon u want

2 handed polearm, 2 handed axe, a wand and an offhand

[blissful idol]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[lavish shoal]

Important to have some distinction between like, casters vs range vs melee 1h/2h for fantasy imo

But if you make it so you can xmog every weapon into every different type of weapon then it’s just unnecessary friction

[cinder relic]

I'd prefer if enhances and demon hunters werent also rolling for daggers

[lavish shoal]

I agree

Just don’t make daggers xmoggable with 1h imo

[brave lagoon]

what's with the huge-ass top bar and the non-removable padding all around the window 😭

[lavish shoal]

Wtf is that

[brave lagoon]

I'm comparing blizz meter to details to see if I could replicate it but there's simply too much padding on the default meters

[vapid sundial]

Remember when enhance was gonna use daggers s1 df

[brave lagoon]

they make 'compact' options but it's not compact, and you can't reduce padding space below 2 whatever unit 2 is

[cinder relic]

oppl already goin crazy at surival being ABLE to use daggers

[cinder relic]

I would agree

[lime lake]

i wouldnt

[cinder relic]

thats also very valid

[vapid sundial]

I don't Wan to use a dagger mog on outlaw

I want to use an axe

Alright I'm tired.
Time to watch a video on random fact and fall asleep

[jolly geyser]

im showing off my mop challenge mode set and back sheathing swords

[vapid sundial]

I'll sheath my sword with ur back

[lime lake]

[jolly geyser]

[vapid sundial]

[zinc briar]

https://gyazo.com/1f46c4ad9375792c3cf1974000f6f38b

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-explodes-kitten-explosion-kitten-falls-down-the-stairs-cat-explodes-gif-3231926901894429402

[jolly geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1097990707899273283/1194471552884940870/attachment-1.gif?ex=69b76e52&is=69b61cd2&hm=9fb239e0ba3182358b3c4a1f3f37c8fb7d1a8dd431083e2b8d4c8fdcc94b4bae&

[zinc briar]

time to play cat

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076202103124541440/1466037270665498766/mgbkr7t8p1gg1.gif

Found a killer interview video to fall asleep too

[lime lake]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753303586871705705/1472448909862244464/four_of_them.gif?ex=69b82f28&is=69b6dda8&hm=c8ff0c29ba7bd95fddf645eb7625443ec06dd67fc8f9a5c084119721d9109eff&width=493&height=1006&

[vapid sundial]

There we go

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1480756467429806163/catboing.gif

[buoyant stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-card-nop-no-gif-16105887446508714626

[jolly geyser]

https://imgur.com/7ggX4bN

[lavish shoal]

So outlaw or sub for raid spec

[near rock]

yet to be seen

both will have use cases as it stands

[ashen void]

ots is your pfp tidus with a red headband?

[keen belfry]

Flat dmg profile so useful for raid

[near rock]

it is

big ffx fan

[untold wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/lux-cat-sleepy-kitten-falling-asleep-gif-1938835744751318301

[tulip walrus]

I found a bug where the damage of supercharger bte is incorrect when triggering an extra bte buff

You guys can try it

BTE without Supercharger by the way is 12k damage

[shadow badge]

could you send the docs?

[balmy topaz]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mystic berry]

whispyr will punch you

[jolly geyser]

it be like that sometimes

[mystic berry]

can you extract your combatlog?

[frail veldt]

its hard to tell how many cps you were spending for those hits

[tulip walrus]

I want you guys to try it

Because I'm not sure if I'm the only one

I can't extract combatlog for stakes

[grim spear]

!addon

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[waxen scarab]

guys are we crafting this week a one hand?

[cinder relic]

Wait until mythic week

It's boring but its the correct thing to do

[wintry solar]

Crafting ain't exciting either

Legendaries are exciting

Mmmmm

I want more power grind!

[tulip walrus]

https://cn.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mnkG2Ay6JXFZPQap?fight=3&type=damage-done&source=15&start=157296&end=195337&view=timeline

[outer meteor]

idk what i forgot to do but i think im cooked for next week

[tulip walrus]

@frail veldt I get it

[lime lake]

you should be able to do random hunts to gain renown if you really want to

but also you might just have enough hunts next week to unlock nightmare anyway

[outer meteor]

isnt it 4k rep per week?

[frail veldt]

I think you do

[lime lake]

i was capped at renown 3 long before i did all the hunts i had

i think it was just stuck there, not a weekly cap on renown gains

[outer meteor]

idk when i try to do a random hard prey it only awards 50 rep

maybe i can get 6k next week somehow

[lime lake]

50

[dull geyser]

can we craft a verteran 1H for the vibes

[jolly geyser]

I crafted cause I dont give that much of a shit

[arctic finch]

Hi ! Coming back on my outlaw rogue ! I have a small question about rotation. Prio say to BtE at 6CP+. On Apex Reset we get 6CP back so we just send it again. But on ace Proc, I mostly reset BtE and get to about 4 CP, should I send again on reset or at that point, sinister strike (Or pistol shot with 6+ stack) to generate to 6+ again ? Thank you for your time !

[fickle relic]

~2 ilvl difference, are frost mages that good?

[river wing]

on Ace reset, use your generators to hit 6+ again before sending

[river wing]

kinda, yeah
they're very easy to pump damage with

[arctic finch]

Great ! Thanks !

[devout karma]

Frost is consistent damage. The only "cooldowns" they have are frozen orb and RoF

So, yeah kinda

[fickle relic]

so their consistence>our consistence?

[river wing]

yes, because they don't have to juggle much to do things

they kinda just send

[devout karma]

They can even overcap on resources and not lose much

[copper radish]

1 button and everything AOEs. GG

[fickle relic]

i think somebody should be expecting a nerf

[devout karma]

They are loosing a charge of Rof

[river wing]

frost mages? I think they're headed for one on 17th

[devout karma]

And the initial bursts of glacial spike is gone because people couldn't find frost bolt in the spell book...yes really

[fickle relic]

like somebody here said, their loss is our win

[mystic berry]

nah

untouched

[river wing]

huh yeah, not 17th, that's 12.0.5 PTR notes

well

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fickle relic]

and there's still nothing for outlaw btw

[lime lake]

thats because outlaw is the goal

the perfectly balanced spec

to base all tuning around

[river wing]

[cerulean rain]

is it worth crafting right now this or i should wait to have crest?

[river wing]

well not at 3 stars quality

get some gold mats and you should be able to concentrate to 5 stars

[brave lagoon]

and using all 3 blue profession equipment

[river wing]

ehhh 3 blues is like
overkill IMO
but having an empty slot is kinda bad ye

[brave lagoon]

the +skill difference is pretty significant on blues vs green

[cerulean rain]

so if all craft items are gold it will be 259?

[river wing]

ye should be

[cerulean rain]

and then i upgade it with crest only?

[river wing]

ye

[river wing]

tbh I have an epic main tool already and the diff between green/blue accessories is like +10 total so I'm not that worried about it, just gonna save up for 5 more weeks (first acc craft on 25th, second in April)
overall KP matter a lot more than tools for actual skill numbers

[primal holly]

if ur waiting on crests and will craft MH anyway then its a financial question @cerulean rain do you want to spend the mats to recraft later?

[brave lagoon]

the hammer alone is +10 skill difference, the apron is +6 difference, and the toolbox is +6 as well

[cerulean rain]

recrafting require radiance?

[primal holly]

nope

just the initial craft

[cerulean rain]

so its more smart to w8 to have crest and crafting it once?

financial smart i mean

[river wing]

only if you care about spending like 5k to recraft later

[primal holly]

its cheaper

[river wing]

yeah less mats required, spark stays in place, optional reagents stay in place

[primal holly]

i believe enchants stay between recrafts also

[river wing]

basically all you need are some more gold-q ingots, and fewer of them too

ye

[primal holly]

but there are use cases for crafting early

[river wing]

the usecase here is that 259 is essentially Champ 5/6 (better than anything you can get before next reset) which you can, if you do heroic, easily recraft into Hero 5/6 before 24th/25th

[primal holly]

yeah. up to you if it's worth it. I crafted mine at 259 because I'm trialling and want to make an impression, but probs wouldn't have otherwise

[river wing]

I made one because I wanted a good MH early and expect to have the myth crests to recraft it to 285 before April 1st, but hell if I'll have a myth weapon any time soon

but honestly I blew like
300k on this expac launch so far
and I kinda expect to blow another 150-200k maybe
(and then I'll likely make five times as much before the expac ends, so no biggie)

[primal holly]

yeah its been an expensive start lmao

[river wing]

I think one of my buds made like
5 mil off the housing craze back when it was dropped

[primal holly]

week 1 skinning is funding me this expac 🥲

[blissful idol]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[river wing]

frankly skinning is probably the most consistent gold dump for me this expac
whoever the fuck thought that putting fish into skinning lures was a good idea? it wasn't, buddy, look back at TWW skinning and just do that, mats you can actually gather yourself without having to muck about with a pretend profession for people content to sit around for hours watching a stupid cork bob up and down

[brave lagoon]

them wyrmfish are so expensive idk why

[cold delta]

gore guppys are

[river wing]

because they're used for raid tables also

yeah imagine sharing your lure mats with raid cooking

genius

[brave lagoon]

both yeah

[cold delta]

it sucks

[river wing]

my overall impression of Midnight is rather unfavourable tbh
the content is decent so far, although it's too early to judge
but the systems are seemingly designed to be much grindier and time-consuming than TWW had

[primal holly]

ah interesting. i honestly just afk and leech on majestics @river wing

[brave lagoon]

I don't even bother with any lure except voidstorm one because it's cheap

[river wing]

can you actually get epic shit from leeching?

[primal holly]

yeah

doesnt have to be ur lure

[river wing]

...bruh this design has just quadrupled in stupidity

[brave lagoon]

4 ominous octopus at ~25g each instead of 8 wyrmfish idk why I'd do anything else

[primal holly]

hahaha

honestly i made most of my money with a perception build and then farming the uncommon skinning drops when they were available

peerless plumage was going for a ton of money on first day. made a ton in 8 hours

[river wing]

I honestly expected it to AT LEAST lock the epic loot to the person who actually used the lure

this is a maximum L on design

then again every change to crafting from TWW to Midnight was basically an L

[primal holly]

very true

[river wing]

other than letting BS have their passive bonuses without a consumable, I guess

that's the only upside I can see

[primal holly]

and i don't think blizzard have punished people who abused the KP exploit yet

[river wing]

christ

[primal holly]

so economy may be irrecoverably broken

[brave lagoon]

I thought the uncommon skinning mats were bugged af during early access and couldn't be looted

[primal holly]

they were but became live on sunday morning without announcement

[brave lagoon]

oh that's why, but where did ppl get them then

[primal holly]

i found out at 9am and spent the day farming

at first you could get it through the patron orders box

[river wing]

they were

ngl this launch was super rough compared to TWW

[brave lagoon]

alright that's what I thought

[primal holly]

but yeah they did go live in early access

just day 3, weirdly

i got lucky with a perception build

[brave lagoon]

I was stupid and specced into trophy taker instead of majestic materials on my rogue thinking I'd make money farming the uncommon mats but they were non existent

[primal holly]

yeah the price crashed in a couple days

[brave lagoon]

peerless plumage was going for 100k+ lmao

[primal holly]

but was very lucrative to begin with!

[cold delta]

the first day mats crashed for herb... like instantly compared to tww

[frail veldt]

what was that?

[brave lagoon]

ores are still somewhat pricy

[frail veldt]

oh knowledge point

[primal holly]

if you didn't closer the vendor window for the 10kp books you could buy them infinitely @frail veldt

oh sorry for the acronym lol

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

thats wild

[primal holly]

yeah that's why you can't make profit on e.g. alchemy lol

[past falcon]

wait that’s crazy lmfao

[primal holly]

blizz probs will punish people who abused it but haven't rolled back/banned yet

[brave lagoon]

big dollar company

[lime lake]

surely

[primal holly]

you'd hope so! but i imagine exploiters will have already moved their gold to other accounts

[lime lake]

abuse early abuse often

never fails

[wintry solar]

no I'm Outlaw actually.

[cold delta]

one way to fix that would be to reverse all crafts made by that person

[brave lagoon]

how would you go about doing that

it punishes the buyers more than the exploiter

[cold delta]

yeah it would but at the same time it would set the boundry..

like people would be less likely to use that.

[frail veldt]

you cant fix it tbh

damage is done

[wintry solar]

I need me an addon that tells me whats breaking my stealth

[brave lagoon]

I'm pretty sure it's easy to see who has higher knowledge point than the intended amount on their end

[fathom bramble]

only thing you can reasonably do is ban people and take their gold away

[brave lagoon]

^

like they did back when that AP farm exploit happened in legion, just give them a vacation when it matters most

[patent mirage]

Outlaw!

[cold delta]

you have 7 day restore of sold gear blizz could easily run a check on that kinda of thing in there systems via what is tagged made by (so and so). revert all points and delete all crafts, ban and strip gold from the exploiter. Would it affect others, yes. would it suck, yes. would it make the community more aware and leary of using crafts from people that far ahead when it isnt possible, yes.

[fathom bramble]

that is way too damaging

[shell fossil]

they would have to refund everyone who did a transaction right?

[fathom bramble]

there isn't even a craft that is impossible right now anyway

[brave lagoon]

but at the same time if the buyer isn't aware of the exploit it's not fair to get punished from it

[fathom bramble]

so there is no way as a buyer to know this isn't a 'real' craft

[brave lagoon]

there's 0 connection between the buyer and the exploit

[cold delta]

not anymore but like what is cap points right now if you got every first craft. like 130kp?

[river wing]

naw I have profs with over 100 legit KP without having crafted half the stuff

let me check

I'd say 150 would be a fair cutoff point maybe

looks like that

[fathom bramble]

I mean blizzard can just check if your knowledge amount is impossible

there is no source of infinite knowledge this time so they can see if you have more than weeklies+your crafts should give you

[wintry solar]

im glad recup is fixed

[river wing]

full first craft on all of these would be like 150, 160 tops for most, maybe 180 for ench because there's such a ton of catchup for it

[cold delta]

I leveled my rogue later the first week.. I have like 126, didnt spend the 100k for patterns but it cant be that much that im out since I had the darkmoon fair stuff as well. I can't see it being more then 150 at the top end.

180 seems to high.

[river wing]

180 would be for Ench, like it's possible to have most of the recipes by now if you really wanted to

[cold delta]

oh yeah I guess if you dropped all that gold for them

[river wing]

as you can see I have 138 for ench without even having crafted enough to get to 100 skill

[cold delta]

I didnt stop to think people would just buy it lol

[river wing]

there's just a ton of catch-up and like 25 free points in those masking charms

so Ench is a bit ahead in this case

JC is the most scuffed this expac imo

huge point costs and investment to make good gems but very little actual KP sources past the starting boost

[cold delta]

the gem dust cost is insane lol

[river wing]

yeah because they deleted the cheap gem you could get dust from

like TTW had the amber gem

which was dime a dozen on the AH

because it had no purpose but to be milled really

so now you have to mill actually good gems, and you get very few gems too, I can mill like 50 ore and maybe get 1 gem, or 2

like I said, just about every change for crafting in Midnight was for the worse really
some changes might make sense design-wise, but they don't make sense from the user side anyway

[cold delta]

is there a tree just for gem dust?

[river wing]

ye

[slim hare]

!up

[wild bough]

hello, does someone knows why i see on some sites that our bis crafted items are boots and ring but with haste/versatily and not haste/crit ? i don't understand why, and i don't know if i can already craft one item

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[frail veldt]

haste vers is most likely wrong

vers can be good once you have enough crit

but it depends

[wild bough]

yeah that's why i thought, maybe the bis list is with complete gear ?

[frail veldt]

what site is it from

[wild bough]

wowhead

[brave lagoon]

stats on crafs you can always play around with if you don't have all bis gear

[frail veldt]

this is from wowwhead

I dont see where it says haste vers

[brave lagoon]

I know I sure won't be in all bis for a long while, might as well play with stats where I can

[silk dirge]

Just sim ur craft

[strong cargo]

Yes bislist on wowhead is an end game setup, it doesn't mean each item is the best an any time for you, you want to look for 40% crit 25% haste early season, then you will have enough gear later to take vers

[strong cargo]

he checked bislist only on top of this page

[wild bough]

ok for me it was absolutly haste/crit but i didn't understand with that bis list

[wild bough]

yeah exactly

thanks guys

[crimson scarab]

hey guys, im trying to setup MSUF, do you know how I can remove the energy bar from my unit frame?

[strong cargo]

do we have an idea how much ilvl we need to get to around 40%crit 25% haste ?

[river wing]

more than this season will provide, I expect

atm I have 25% crit 15% haste in 240 ilvl
40/25 is likely S2 territory with some minmaxing

[untold yarrow]

i think its this

[crimson scarab]

thanks a lot, it was this page but its 2 boxes above, "show power bar on player frames"

😄

[mystic berry]

man I have 20-20 crit haste, I fucked up

at 241

[river wing]

bro I'm pretty sure you feel better than I do

[crimson scarab]

im currently 24% crit. 18% haste at 242 cant complain either

without any buffs

[cinder relic]

With full bis vers squeaks ahead, but that's full bis

Early on u should craft haste/crit

I might have mentioned it on the page, or I might have forgotten to

But that's the reason

[crimson scarab]

so the first craft would be a MH haste/crit with heroic crests?

[craggy quiver]

Is that ring combo bait?

From that one new dungeon

[balmy topaz]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crisp elm]

r u actually crafting a sword tho?

[potent ore]

guy, tuning aside, whats your take on best spec for raid.

or worst spec

[loud garden]

https://x.com/ForeverGuy5/status/2032627287812632973?s=20

ForeverGuy (@ForeverGuy5)

In Honor of the upcoming patch notes.

X · Mar 14, 2026, 1:18 AM

[cinder relic]

I thinkkkkkkkkkkkk sub might be the worst

The more I think abt it

but

Genuinely, I have no idea

[potent ore]

looking at how the bosses play out, i think sub and outlaw looks fine, assa bad

[cinder relic]

I'm leaning towards Sin and Outlaw atm

[crimson scarab]

i think if ur in a more casual mythic raiding guild, all 3 specs should be fine

[potent ore]

it just looks like every boss has adds that dont live long enough to be worth bleeding?

[cinder relic]

This raid seems like passive cleave raid tier

But it might be burst

But if its passive cleave, its Outlaw or Sin

[crimson scarab]

i decided ill be progressing mythic with outlaw

[cinder relic]

Sub passive cleave is kinda shit

It ofc has burst but

No idea how much burst will matter in practice

[potent ore]

i guess the first bosses in the raid barely matters what you play

[final pagoda]

is the only rotation diff between fatebound AoE and ST to press preparation when both AR, BR and BTE are in cd? (and not pressing BF)

[potent ore]

but the later bosses dont look assa friendly

[crude ether]

is dagger offhand still a thing on outlaw?

[crimson scarab]

yeah it is

[potent ore]

it certainly is

now more than ever

[crimson scarab]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[crude ether]

aight bet ty bois

[leaden sonnet]

Also depends on whether the adds actually need to die, if theyre just piss adds that dont do anything

[cinder relic]

Or if its even "rogues job" to deal with adds

Rogue m ight just be a ST merchant this tier and u just dont caer about dealing any aoe

[final pagoda]

rtb stage 2+, BtE off cd, opp 3x proc, 5cp -- do you ss or ps?

[leaden sonnet]

Get ready to learn deathstalker buddy

[unkempt smelt]

ss i'd say

[crimson scarab]

why not send dispatch?

[cinder relic]

Beacuse bte is ready

[crimson scarab]

ah nvm bte is off cd

yeye i misread mb

but if bte was on cd, would u send dispatch?

[cinder relic]

Yr

[river wing]

ss then bte, don't PS with opp and more than 4 CP, you're guaranteed to waste 2CP with PS at this point, whereas with SS, you only waste anything if opp procs to begin with

[glass mortar]

unless you are already capped on opp ^

[normal quail]

regardless of how minimal the % of increase. Which race is statiscally the best for outlaw rogue?

[balmy topaz]

Panda

[soft abyss]

at the moment

next season may be different

[crimson scarab]

why panda tho?

[soft abyss]

food

[river wing]

x2 food buff

food is pretty hefty atm

likely to change as gear starts to scale beyond S1, but food likely won't

[final pagoda]

this is the APL st opener

why is it different than the faq one?

[frail veldt]

slice wasnt up

[balmy topaz]

I think he's asking why is the sim using slice when the FAQ is using dispatch to get up slice

[frail veldt]

probably just a quirk of the apl

[balmy topaz]

Ye I presume so

[frail veldt]

id follow the faq

[gaunt phoenix]

It's the same difference

[frail veldt]

classic 0% optimization?

[gaunt phoenix]

Early slice is better for aoe

So i didn't make a point to distinguish

[balmy topaz]

Got you

[final pagoda]

anyone^ ?

[frail veldt]

yeah thats right

[thick valve]

What if I have 1 CP, 2+ RTB, and 6 Opportunity stacks? What should I press?

[strong cargo]

if you have 6 opp and have to build, use them

[thick valve]

If I have 1 CP and 6 Opportunity stacks then my priority should be to press PS→PS Isnt that wasting CP?

Since the Opportunity proc always gives 4 CP

[fossil ice]

what's the general consensus on how Outlaw feels now? I'm trying to pick a melee to level. Hitting dummies in Dornogal is fine but I run low on energy quick. Does that change at max level?

[river wing]

PS (gets you to 5) into SS (gives you 2 more, SS opp is potentially wasted but it's better than certainly wasting PS Opp), finisher
though you can just kinda finish at 5 with Dispatch if BtE isn't ready

[frail veldt]

you finish with 5 for dispatch yeah

so 1cp 6 opp press PS takes you to 5 and you dispatch

if bte if off cd then you would SS at 5 then finish at max

might waste cps

but bte at higher cps is worth the waste in this case

[tranquil folio]

so we dont want to bte at 5? crap I'm gonna have to fix rotation slightly

[lofty sand]

!spreadsheet

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[river wing]

yeah BtE is 6+

[thick valve]

lol why doesnt 6 Opportunity stacks always give me 5 CP?"

[frail veldt]

it gives 4

[elder crane]

is there a spreadsheet for craftable items?

[river wing]

you use them up 3 at a time, which makes PS fire four times total and give you 4 CP

[tranquil folio]

you dont fire 4 times, you fire 3 but the first shot always gives 2 cp

[river wing]

oh right

anyway you get 4 CP from OppPS

[static crescent]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thick valve]

If this process happens a few times because SS triggers and I don’t get 2 CBs but only 1, is that bad or okay?

[frail veldt]

if SS triggers you should get 5cps

if youre stage 2+ rtb

[thick valve]

yew

[frail veldt]

that rule only applies to when you have stage 2 rtb

so if youre at 1cp you press SS and either it procs and you get to 6cp so you finish
OR youre at 1 cp you press SS and it doesnt proc and youre at 3cp then you would PS and get to 7 cp and finish

[gaunt phoenix]

the rule is just something that cannot hurt you

can only help

[frail veldt]

yeah in both scenarios if SS procs or doesnt proc its a benefit

its a way to essentially guarantee if you start at 1 cp then you will get to either 6 or 7 cp

instead of 5 which is slightly less efficient

[lilac lion]

Did we make in every socket the Primary stat jewel?

or we want the second effect with the Other colors?

[fossil lintel]

isnt the primary stat one unique equipped like always?

[lilac lion]

Idk Guide says we want ALL Primary?

[elder crane]

is it worth to craft the ring or boots yet? or should i wait

[lilac lion]

For gems, ndecipherable Diamond (full primary stat)

[fossil lintel]

what guide?

[lilac lion]

or it means we take the one with Only Primary statt without any side effekt?

Qutlaw FAQ channel

[fossil lintel]

Oh

Yeah, it's just comparing that one with the powerful one (primary + crit damage)

[final pagoda]

is anyone able to get the glow trigger for PS ONLY when is 6 stacks (and not 3)?

[lilac lion]

Ok so we take the one with Only Prim stat Alrighty

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, you can use 1 epic gem only, and for now you should use the indecipherable instead of powerful, but you should really just sim it

[soft shard]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cinder relic]

Theres a just mainstat one now

It provides 16 more agi

esp with this few sockets overall

[fossil lintel]

That wasn't their question

[static crescent]

Gave outlaw ago, got schooled by a 221ilvl frost mage while im 240

sadface

[fossil lintel]

it is unique equipped like always

[cinder relic]

ya

[stoic wagon]

guys which embelishment for weapon right now?

"The weapon effects such as :embellish_darkmoon_hunt: Darkmoon Sigil: Hunt or Void should also be similar."

hunt sounds good no?

i feel like blood is funny too lol

[vivid vessel]

Realz isn't working on outlaw anymore tho

[wintry solar]

Did he tell you?

[proven ocean]

Realz isn't working on outlaw anymore tho

[brave lagoon]

it's pretty straightforward now

[vivid vessel]

He has been asked about outlaw things multiple times this tier and said he was clueless about them, I also have some sources

[brave lagoon]

but there aren't any addons to tell you which roll is good or bad, if you track the rtb buff in your cooldown manager you'll see which one you get out of the 4. 1 is always a reroll, 2 or higher you can keep

[vivid vessel]

I also do not think he would have went and unfixed the fixes he did in tww and df lol

[brave lagoon]

I guess you reroll 2 if you have a loaded dice ready

[vivid vessel]

New dev is clearly new and clueless about outlaw rn

We also already know he had minimal impact on hero talents and that was directly confirmed

[proven ocean]

Unfixing fixes is diabolical

Funny but super true

And highly unfortunate

[formal thunder]

no you don't

[brave lagoon]

you can't stop me

[formal thunder]

true

[proven ocean]

From good AR management to worse but no fix to both AR iterations by not adding 2 charges which we asked for years

[vivid vessel]

Only if kir ready

[proven ocean]

[brave lagoon]

that makes sense, but my lizard brain most likely won't notice until it's too late

[snow stratus]

So we going sub? The fuu spreadsheet makes me sad. All I wanted to do was play outlaw in raid this tier

[prisma lantern]

Then play OL in raid my guy.

It's supposed to be fun, right?

[snow stratus]

Would I be trolling 19 other people?

Not going for hall of fame or anything, but it feels bad.

[proven ocean]

If ur not hall of faming then play outlaw

Class wont slow u down from cutting edge

[snow stratus]

Got it. Thanks friends!!

[prisma lantern]

I mean. Should be fine.

Probably won't be optimal but like. Most people aren't exactly running pandas either. And that's optimal on most things right now

[vivid vessel]

Well outlaw could be the best raid spec we have no clue at this point lol

[burnt dragon]

do we know what we're crafting yet?

[leaden folio]

not sure about that

i remember some bosses was pain in ass because we run 2 outlaw on our comp

[elfin mural]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sturdy wigeon]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[radiant wyvern]

3rd boss has damage amp

[nova sinew]

25% amp that is

And a lot of consistent cleave

[cinder relic]

2nd last boss of the raid is perma 3 target cleave

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nova sinew]

If you’re saying sub will be omega strong there, I don’t imagine it being very good on a 2-3 target cleave fight when they use eviscerate at 2 targets

[frail veldt]

is outlaw considered good at 3 target cleave anymore since we dont have PC?

[cinder relic]

Better than assa and Sub

[vague cape]

depends what you're comparing it to

[frail veldt]

I figured that might be something assa excels at

like other dot classes

[radiant wyvern]

30% bf going to go brazy

[frail veldt]

essentially playing ST build but with some dot spreading

[cinder relic]

Sin does damage with envenom, not bleeds

[vague cape]

issue is they really fucked with the energy in that kinda target count

for sin

[frail veldt]

I see

guess it depends what the crux of the fight is

[vague cape]

It won't be bad or anything, but I'd put my money on outlaw winning

[nova sinew]

The orbs spawn far from the boss

So you can’t put dots on them easily

[frail veldt]

can you bladeflurry them then?

[nova sinew]

Yes, they move

[frail veldt]

theyre close enough to blade flurry but too far to dot?

im not sure I understand

[vague cape]

they move into range

[nova sinew]

so, the orb spawns on the other side of the room

the tank moves the boss toward the orb and kites the orb

you instantly move to hit the orb

as assa, you have to spend cp on bleeds if you wanna start doing damage immediately

[frail veldt]

oh are the orbs for like a short period of time?

do you need to burst them down or something

[nova sinew]

its 2 sets of 2

you need to swap to them

[frail veldt]

gotcha

[nova sinew]

they usually live kinda long

[frail veldt]

are you hitting all 3 targets at once?

[nova sinew]

you need to delay killing them at the same time so, maybe sometimes youll be able to

[vivid vessel]

Who cares about third boss

[nova sinew]

but its a tank check as well

[frail veldt]

interesting

time will tell I guess

[nova sinew]

yeah it might end up being a thing like oab

where you insta nuke one orb

and then its mostly ranged hitting the other orb idk

or maybe the tank is able to drag both orbs near boss

[frail veldt]

sounds very good for council specs

spriest/aff/ele/boomy

[nova sinew]

those specs look good

on literally every fight

almost every fight has some leave the boss hit adds mechanic

[frail veldt]

they did just really heavily nerf spriest though

[mighty pivot]

hello guys lapras sent me here

[frail veldt]

LOL

whos lapras

thats a pokemon isnt it

[mighty pivot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pokemon-lapras-original-3vEJiMNgR6cik

[craggy quiver]

When did we change from pirate to cowboy

[desert tendon]

you better know your classic wtf

[leaden sonnet]

Smh my head not knowing the 151 ogs

[gaunt phoenix]

We do?

Stat requirements, sure, unique, maybe not

[mighty pivot]

dunno, do other specs need 25% haste(/other stat) or they play like dog? Although in this case it's just "put haste on it"

[desert tendon]

should have added to @ zac for every single question

😔

[random stirrup]

think its an outlaw/sub unique plight

rogue dev excellence

[desert tendon]

most class just sims and dont have to think about it

[mighty pivot]

can't wait for assa to get the haste tax in TLT

[desert tendon]

also they usually dont have a dead stat after a breakpoint

[random stirrup]

not sure if frost mage still has the shatter cap thing for crit

[desert tendon]

even if the DR is bad, but that something a quick sim no raidbot sub can tell you in 12 seconds

[random stirrup]

think thats gone

[desert tendon]

idk, they kinda had it in TWW but it wasnt that big of a deal anyway

Also it was weird breakpoint, like you had to go to X crit, then forget about it until you had Y haste and if you could get to Z crit then it was worth it (aka just get a couple bis list and be full stuff with access to everything in your bags)

[fathom lion]

is there a sim on races for outlaw?

[cinder relic]

Panda/Mechagnom e

[leaden sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-world-of-warcraft-dance-wow-pandaren-male-lmfao-party-rock-anthem-gif-27495538

[lilac lion]

Yeah first three Places are 1. Panda 2. Mecha 3. Tauren

But dmg wise its 1. panda with 105.7k dmg to last place 103.3

[smoky lotus]

is panda just a season 1 thing because more access to stats

[mystic berry]

can someone that is simming well send their report?

Wanna checxk something

no buffs

[celest zinc]

question about the prio list on wowhead, it says to hit between the eyes at 6 points, if I have 5 but BtE is ready, should I sinister strike for 6 or hit dispatch and wait to hit 6 points naturally?

[shadow trellis]

sinister into Bte

[celest zinc]

tyty

[shadow trellis]

Keep in mind that BtE shortens cd for spent combo points. You would be setting your self back if you were to skip on it

[tulip walrus]

@vivid vessel @gaunt phoenix Can you help me take a look?"

https://cn.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mnkG2Ay6JXFZPQap?fight=3&type=damage-done&source=15&start=157296&end=195337&view=timeline

[brisk surge]

Is hidden opportunity still viable?

[mystic berry]

nah

[fathom whale]

what builds everyone running with less haste atm

i looked at the pins but aye double checkin

[worldly shale]

is there a jackpot counter

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[vivid vessel]

looks correct to me

[formal temple]

There is no M+ tuesday, am i hearing that correctly?

[vivid vessel]

first bte gives me 2 stacks cause it procced, the second then is supposed to do 12% more damage

[pastel edge]

Yeah just seasonal M0

[vivid vessel]

which is about that

tho there is a 5% variance on either side

on both bte

technically

[brave lagoon]

finally

[vivid vessel]

also coins

can be annoying

maybe i should test with trickster

@gaunt phoenix

did you know that if you go over 10 hidden bullet

it reset

lol?

[vivid palm]

"-New: If you did farm honor and have obtained your Galactic Gladiator’s Heraldry and Galactic Jeweler’s Sockets"

does that mean we can craft 2x 259 pvp item and 2x spark item?

[lime lake]

well yeah

11 bullets is too many for any one man

[vivid vessel]

this is silly

i mean idk if it can happens accidentally

but its kinda cringe

im ngl

[tulip walrus]

You're right, but how did this bug I encounter trigger?

The damage of the two shots is completely different

[vivid vessel]

maybe there is missunderstanding there

whats wrong

cuase im testing it

and it seems fine to me

when you press bte you will have between 1 and 2 stack of a 6% buff

also you could have had coins

i tested twice and it was between expected damage

[tulip walrus]

I canceled all the buffs

[vivid vessel]

• remember you have +-5% variance in damage

which can be a big swing

like you could have high rolled +5% on first bte and -5% on second bte

kinda a 20% damage diff possible just with that i guess

but can you tell me what you think is wrong

[vivid vessel]

to me the damage is what i expect

[tulip walrus]

I canceled all the buffs

But the damage gap is obviously more than 10%

[vivid vessel]

i see

you had heads

[fathom whale]

yo zachary how many vbucks for ur cooldown manager string

[vivid vessel]

still the damage is too high even with 2 heads

both were max cp finisher right

[tulip walrus]

yes

[mighty pivot]

did you take over 30s to expend your bullets after you got 6? The way that it worked in beta was that each time you got a bullet the timer refreshed, but the moment you get your 6th you have to expend 6 within 30s or you lose them

[vivid vessel]

the timer is refreshing tho

so its a lie ?

[mighty pivot]

kinda, it's conditionally asynchronous

[vivid vessel]

ye you are right

[turbid wren]

Yeah sometimes I have like 7 and we are walking to the next pack or something, then I dispatch, and it goes to 2 without ever BtEing

[mighty pivot]

it's easy to test by getting 6 stacks and then only slowly stacking it further, at some point you will lose 6 stacks at once

which happens to be 30s from the moment you got your 6th

anti-pooling mechanic

[turbid wren]

It's so freaking unintiative and weird

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, at the 7th bullet, the first 6 become async

it's strange, cant exactly think of a reason to do it that way

[vivid vessel]

how much is hunter debuff

3 or 6

[gaunt phoenix]

3%

[fathom whale]

can someone shout me their cd manager string, the wowhead one aint working and mine is bunnssss, i want a sound when i get 3/4/jackpot but idk how to do that frfr

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm fairly sure that is impossible

[mighty pivot]

you can't ye

best you can do is sound when you get/lose any rtb buff

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

[fathom whale]

good lord

ill just get good at lookin then ty

[tulip walrus]

Is it only the Chinese server that has this problem?