outlaw

[random stirrup]

and it sounds like you get charges by giving crests? or gold?

[glass mortar]

because its 2 items a week u would not have received any other expac

u can spend ur 2 rolls every week on m+ bosses

[keen belfry]

oh so u just log in as alt and are guaranteed mythic pieces from each run

[glass mortar]

and ur alts will probably have a bunch stacked up

[keen belfry]

i see

thats sick

thats so sick

[random stirrup]

ye u just log new alt, do a little crest farming, turn in to get like 12 of them

and buy 12 pieces

[glass mortar]

and u dont really care about bis when ur in crap gear

so u just go and get 8 myth track items from various dungeon bosses u wanted

[random stirrup]

and then u also pick a dungeon with good jewelry/trinket or whatever

and u do the blp thing at the same time

[glass mortar]

u wanna pick a dungeon with the most loot on its table u want so u dont get repeat slots prob

[tight kernel]

Are we good yet? Do we have a dev or is the intern still handling outlaw for “community services” in his resume??

[keen belfry]

see thats so sick

so much better than dinars

fuckj @vivid vessel

[random stirrup]

but for non alts it's worse dinars

[keen belfry]

that remains to be seen

[random stirrup]

and even for those alts

you can't easily get raid gear anymore

[glass mortar]

if its only usable as dinar (pops up towards end of the season) its just worse dinar yea

[random stirrup]

you will have to run them through mythic raid many times to get your good trinkets

[glass mortar]

if its usable from like, 1 month into thre season or something tho

[random stirrup]

instead of once

[glass mortar]

its still worse dinar for zac

but for bozos like me its pog af

[keen belfry]

yeah

zac didnt even need turbo boost bro

he was over300 crests ahead of me last season

[jolly geyser]

for normal amount hr gamers its good

[keen belfry]

after i turned in all my crests iwas lower ilvl than zac pre turbo boost

[copper radish]

New turbo boost looking decent

[jolly geyser]

gotta remember all loot tables now

[keen belfry]

so far i like it

[mystic berry]

Is this the fabled tuning pass?

[keen belfry]

not yet king

[glass mortar]

in the example there was a mouseover thing on the bonus roll that showed you which loot was elligible to come from it, which i assume updates with items "Removed" from the pool as u use them so thats nice at least

dont need to memorize which items u got from them

[fierce mulch]

good rogue changes in .5

[jolly geyser]

thank fuck for that weran

havent looked proper yet, just chatting between games

[mystic berry]

I will wait for zorthas video

was arms nerfed again? lol

[frail veldt]

can someone eli5 this void forge shit

so it creates an item on the loot table of a given boss of which you havent looted before?

so its like a convoluted badluck protection?

[vivid vessel]

i mean depends when it comes

for main it could be turbo ass

imagine we get them at same time than we got dinars lol

then its just turbo dogshit

[keen belfry]

if its same time as dinars, its bad yes

but im still unsure need to see and unjdnerstand more

[vivid vessel]

you have 2 coin a week, you can spend 2 coin on a raid boss or 1 coin in a key, it will drop an item rng from the loot pool, also once it dropped that way it cant drop the same item again

we dont know when it starts tho

[frail veldt]

is this true for items you got naturally though too?

are those also removed from the table?

[vivid vessel]

no

[random stirrup]

well at least to start its coming in .5

they did say that

[vivid vessel]

0.5

[random stirrup]

i guess s2 we don't know but probably safe to assume

[vivid vessel]

oh i guess

thats .5

ye

[frail veldt]

why do they always almost get it right

[vivid vessel]

i mean uisnt .5 dinars?

so its doghsit no ?

[random stirrup]

you could highroll getting ur stuff insta though

[keen belfry]

ur dogshit

thats what im saying u could literally get ur items week 1 of the event

[random stirrup]

if a boss has 4 items, you have to miss a 1/4, then a 1/3, then a 1/2 for it to be worse than dinars that take 3 weeks to get

[vivid vessel]

ye bro you can also open vault every week and be bis in 3 weeks bozo

this is cringe to say

[vivid vessel]

no?

again

[random stirrup]

yes if you then get it out of vault/drop you wasted that currency

[vivid vessel]

you have the scenario where you spend 2/3 coins on the boss then loot in vault

[keen belfry]

lets kill zac @random stirrup

[vivid vessel]

and you just wasted the currency

[random stirrup]

but you could also get it from those first 2 coin purchases

so there's a potential highroll and lowroll

[frail veldt]

How does the system work if you want loot from multiple different loot tables on a specific boss

do you hvae to like start over for the loot pool?

[keen belfry]

doubtful

and if ur rolling on a dagger u can sybau mewo

[random stirrup]

if i swap to meekauras i need his stuff so i cant kill him until he finishes it

unlucky

[jolly geyser]

its not even out yet peeps

[vivid vessel]

you arent getting my ui

[random stirrup]

i will tier 3 sub!

[river wing]

wait but that's dogshit compared to dinars

[vivid vessel]

i made a check on ryldd character name

[river wing]

why the fuck are we gambling again

[frail veldt]

yeah this feels dumb/wrong to me lol

[random stirrup]

i will tier 3 sub and send many baguette

[vivid vessel]

i said

i mean

you cant even tier 3 subs

[frail veldt]

well no cuz you could loot the item natty too

[vivid vessel]

i dont have anything setup on my channel

[frail veldt]

and then all those currency are wasted

[vivid vessel]

doesnt exist

yes

[frail veldt]

theres lots of ways to waste this currency

unfortunately

[vivid vessel]

while with dinars you just wait till you have enough dinars

buy item

gg

nothing wasted ever

[random stirrup]

like i said, there's another scenario where you get it early from gamba highroll

[frail veldt]

this is like a more convoluted way to get guaranteed loot that might have more feelsbad moments

[random stirrup]

so the coins can also be better

[vivid vessel]

can

but

thats rng

[river wing]

with dinars you have first week 3 dinars

[random stirrup]

they CAN be better, they CAN be worse

[vivid vessel]

the dinars arent rng

[river wing]

which means you still get the item you want most week 1

[vivid vessel]

isnt it supposed to be bad liuck protection

you will get bad luck on your bad luck protection

and come crying

bozo

[river wing]

yeah that sounds stupid

ngl in terms of progression
I thought TWW was perfect in just about every way

[rancid silo]

This is how people feel about roll the bones

[vivid vessel]

i mean once again

idc

i will be bis loot

[river wing]

and I have no idea why they started fucking shit up

[vivid vessel]

before you ryldd

tho my guild is casual this tier so idk

but i still will be

[mystic berry]

We can gamble on a gamble

[vivid vessel]

get owned

[mystic berry]

This is outlaw tier alright

[river wing]

anyway lads
how high are you simming on Dslice with no buffs?

[random stirrup]

i will simply out gamble you

[vivid vessel]

sure bro

may i remind you s2 and s3

[random stirrup]

how good was wave before you went 7 days

[vivid vessel]

i legit got god tier rng

and was 400 crests ahead of everyone in this channel

you noobs

[vivid vessel]

idk

under 100

we went 24 when we went 7 days

but before that we were 5

so

[random stirrup]

[vivid vessel]

and idk before that i wasnt there

i assume we can be under 200 idk

with 3 days

and we lost a lot of good guys so

[frail veldt]

how long were you ahead for though

[keen belfry]

300*

[vivid vessel]

a lot

[frail veldt]

until everyone had enough crests to get full gear anyway

like 3 weeks?

in the middle of the season?

[vivid vessel]

like 3/4 weeks before supercharged i was full gear idk

[random stirrup]

idk think if you were 24 even at 7 days should be easy

[vivid vessel]

and then when supercharged went out

i was ahead for like 3 weeks again

cause banked and alt thigns

[keen belfry]

mewo he was higher ilvl than me after i used 300+ crests right after turbo shart

[frail veldt]

so this is like after HoF and before m+ push

so like

[random stirrup]

we were like 140s last tier at 3 days and we did our best to run it down on dimensius

[frail veldt]

whats the purpose lol

[vivid vessel]

mewo

the purpose is

that i can come in here

[frail veldt]

does this not also mean you were behind on ilvl

[vivid vessel]

and dance on you

[frail veldt]

to get there

[vivid vessel]

cause i have more gear

[frail veldt]

in the first place

so you were behind earlier

to be ahead later

idgi

[vivid vessel]

no lol

i was alwasy ahead

cause you are a noob

and im not

[frail veldt]

yeah I dont buy it

zeross was coming in and flexing ilvl

and you were like "just wait bro"

"ill be ahead later"

[vivid vessel]

ye week 1

zeross trolled

[frail veldt]

but its like

[vivid vessel]

to be ahead

week 1

[frail veldt]

youre behind now to be ahead later when it doesnt even matter to be ahead

[vivid vessel]

he bought every boe also

[random stirrup]

zac was like 4 ilvl ahead of me and i had good vault rng

it was indeed crazy

[vivid vessel]

Bro only zeross was ahead of me and that's only cause he trolled progress to get better Ilvl 1 week after prog

I am sending crests to kill bosses week 2 right

So I have to make non optimal choices sometimes

[frail veldt]

well

isnt that more optimal

cuz youre optimizing for when your ilvl matters

as opposed to optimizing for being the most ahead of other people but not at a time that your ilvl is that important

[vivid vessel]

no

what zzeross did was holdig crests

[frail veldt]

I think youre optimizing to flex

[vivid vessel]

during important prog part

which is bad for progress

i spent crests for prog

cause im not a troller

[frail veldt]

yeah thats optimal

[vivid vessel]

and then i was ahead still

[frail veldt]

cuz thats when your ilvl matters the most

[vivid vessel]

cause i got giga rng and we reclear week 2/3

[frail veldt]

your ilvl leading up to supercharge is irrelevant

except for your epeen

[winged inlet]

why do they fix only guardian bugs and now outlaws?

[vivid vessel]

idk what you are evven saying now mewo

im lost

im better tho

thats all you need to get out of this

and i gap your ass

noob

[frail veldt]

im saying its more optimal to get your ilvl highest when it actually matters

[vivid vessel]

which i did

[rancid silo]

does outlaw even have any major bugs?

[vivid vessel]

and then i still flexed on you

[keen belfry]

gapped mewo! hes gapping u so hard rn!!!

[frail veldt]

yeah using it for prog was optimal

the other one is irrelevant haha

we all ended up the same ilvl

[vivid vessel]

my prog was 2 weeks tho

[keen belfry]

get him zac!!!

[vivid vessel]

you want me to afk for the rest of the season

or what

of course im gonna flex on your ass

you noob

[keen belfry]

zac did u post ur dimensisu kill

[frail veldt]

no you can min max your pissing contest all you want

I wont stop you

[vivid vessel]

no

like on youtube

[keen belfry]

why?

[vivid vessel]

or what

it was streamed on twitch

[keen belfry]

link me it

[vivid vessel]

ye bro

good luck with that

find it in vods

[keen belfry]

i wannasee how shi tu are at sub rogue

[frail veldt]

remember the date

can prob find it quickly that way

[vivid vessel]

how can you be shit at sub

its 2 button

[thick vigil]

[vivid vessel]

i got some good r1s in my carreer as sub rogue

and i never played it much like outlaw

[keen belfry]

you just got good procs as sub

ur bad

[vivid vessel]

i remember that tindral r1 while doing diff feather than everyone else

was a good one

ye

i know

[keen belfry]

u shouldve done dimensius in a noob guild

[vivid vessel]

why

[keen belfry]

holding dps every phase and not sending on platform 2

[vivid vessel]

we held dps every phase as well

[keen belfry]

dimensius wouldve been peak boss

[vivid vessel]

that was the boss bro

[keen belfry]

yes but diff way

[vivid vessel]

i was sending every phase tho

[keen belfry]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

i mean these type of bosses are cringe

what can you do

[keen belfry]

be in better guild

[vivid vessel]

i told you i was in better guild and we still did cringe ass shit bro

we had to hold dps p1, hold dps every platform

i mean was like for 10s max but

it was cringe

[keen belfry]

i wanna see a high rank vod

[vivid vessel]

all my vods expired bud

[keen belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YgKJw9TFK0 here ya go

[fossil lintel]

Did they forget we exist again for the .5?

DK and mage are getting reworked again

[vivid vessel]

is my youtube buggiing out

i cant even look ahead in that vid

it just load

forever

nvm i got it

[keen belfry]

i droppeda nuke to dimensius burn

[vivid vessel]

i dont rmemeber

[keen belfry]

800mil nbd

[vivid vessel]

dimensuis brun was super rng for me

cause

you could hold less or more

before

i could fit 3 sec tech sometimes

[keen belfry]

not in the actual amp 3 but until the stars all landed

getting 2 sec techs in the amp was the big check

[vivid vessel]

no

3 was

cause if you come into it with full sht stacked

and coup ready

and 2 trickster thing

you could legit sec tech coup coup sec tech coup coup

things like thtat

but idk it was super rng

i got it mayeb twice

[keen belfry]

ppl got 3 sec techs in a 12 second window???

wat

[vivid vessel]

because before that

you are stioppping dps

you are then allowed to farm

coup

and full sht

[keen belfry]

yeah this is what i went into burn with

i just landed

[vivid vessel]

AND

you are not farming supercharge

noob ?

i see you

[keen belfry]

i got one farm in

[vivid vessel]

oh ye

well

what i mean is

with dps stop before

you can legit farm infinite so

this boss was cringe

no cap

but i liked it a bit

was funny

farming stuffs

[keen belfry]

so i think i got unlucky cuz there was abug ryldd told me about where something like u can refund combo points with dance

and i wasted one unseen blade me thinks

[vivid vessel]

yes

[keen belfry]

but man i dont hitnk im getting 3 sec techs in??

[vivid vessel]

i dont even remember how it works now

i forgot

but its related to first strike i think

first dance thing

like strike

in dance

first

snd

whatever the fuck

i forgot now

[keen belfry]

https://youtu.be/3mpccrHJakE?si=kS-9cpJqwt74aoxR&t=356 heres the burn

[vivid vessel]

you are not stepping to boss

noob

[keen belfry]

i was meh on that

[vivid vessel]

i had macro for step flag

you spam it

[keen belfry]

i give myself any extra cognitive load a pass cause i have to raid lead too

[vivid vessel]

[wintry solar]

BOO!

[vivid vessel]

no mark

[keen belfry]

my twin brother is our hunter

and he didnt mark?>???

[vivid vessel]

tell him he sucks ass bro

[keen belfry]

i thnk he marked

wcls says 5:56

[vivid vessel]

wang you didnt get a single proc of tier set tho

[keen belfry]

yeah i see that

no coups

gg

[vivid vessel]

and you trolled a few things also but

its cause if you sod dance with max sht it would fill cp

i think you needed to dance sod to not get filled

i dont rmmeber

[keen belfry]

yes i wastted one ub cause of that

[vivid vessel]

• you didnt strike while not having fw cause you get to boss without fw

you still did bs right

[keen belfry]

i dont remember these sub acronyms

[vivid vessel]

find weakness

backstab

[keen belfry]

i was missing findweakness?

[vivid vessel]

well ye cause you dont strike

you backstab

you get it alter

[keen belfry]

yeah i backstabbed

[vivid vessel]

what should i eat today wanguss

[keen belfry]

i just made egg sandwich

[vivid vessel]

hm

i see

[keen belfry]

finished this defect

gonna go lift

nbd

[vivid vessel]

imma make pastas i think

thoguhts

[keen belfry]

i can bench your squat and deadlift zac

thoughts?

eu weak af

[vivid vessel]

idk i never did a squat in my life

[keen belfry]

more like ew

[vivid vessel]

either a deadlift

so

prolly

?

[keen belfry]

gapped

zac ahead on crests but not chests

boom roasted

[vivid vessel]

wtf !

[charred fox]

https://youtube.com/shorts/EU3MpMxvH7Y?si=hvccH-wvokGL61os

this is a solid pasta I like to make

[keen belfry]

that guy kidna look like me

[frail veldt]

no shot awang handsome?

[keen belfry]

this discord thinks im ugly and a twink

[frail veldt]

I mean

[keen belfry]

say it

[vivid vessel]

hm

you arent ?

[keen belfry]

damn...

[charred fox]

If you had to choose one would you be Ugly or a twink ?

[keen belfry]

i think twink

[formal knot]

why not ugly wtf

[keen belfry]

mewo thinks im ugly

im cooked

[frail veldt]

its not my fault

its the internet what do you want from me

[dreamy pecan]

Do I get the skinny build of a twink too?

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKwHISrxQdI @keen belfry

you got your video bro

[ashen void]

tettles wears that shirt and i dont think he even know what joy division is

[charred fox]

Your choice 👀

[dark ember]

Why does Trickster feel better than Fatebound?

Everyone in the world telling me Fatebound but it feels like I do more damage as tricks.

[frail veldt]

in what way does it feel better

just damage meter?

[dark ember]

Meter, yeah. Feels like when I play Fate I'm catching up or third - but when I throw Tricks on I'm just a step away from first.

[frail veldt]

well you can sim yourself to see the actual results

[dark ember]

In the same group, too. Did a world tour with friends.

[frail veldt]

if youre just comparing to your teammates then theres a lot of unkown variables there

[dark ember]

Yeah maybe it's the crackhead way I'm doing talents

[frail veldt]

your friends are going to vary in damage widely between runs

and between dungeons

depending on pull size

routes

cd timing

their individual performance

[dark ember]

What's the current simming resource I haven't done so since DF.

[frail veldt]

simulationcraft.org

wait wrong

raidbots

lol

[glass mortar]

what year is it

[dark ember]

Feel like I also heard something about Tricks being better at low haste too

[frail veldt]

other way around

[glass mortar]

tricks needs more haste

[frail veldt]

tricks needs more haste

[glass mortar]

it has less resources

[dark ember]

Wtf

[glass mortar]

fatebound gets additional CP gen from SS procs and additional energy from coins

trickster gets.... uh

technically more CP income from coup i guess

is its only real resource feed in

[river maple]

is outlaw quite energy starved? or is cause i dont have 25% haste

[glass mortar]

idk if id say quite

if you are experiencing extremely bad energy issues and u arent like 0% haste theres probably some gameplay issues as well impacting but yes, it does have some energy issues before 20% haste

[frail veldt]

as fatebound in m+ its not too bad

[glass mortar]

25% is the long term goal but thats alot of our budget this season

[frail veldt]

if youre running out of energy too often it may be a result of rotatiojnal issues

Ive been playing at like 18% and I only run out a couple times per dungeon tbh

[river maple]

Im at 9% rn

[dark ember]

I only starve after 2 mins when tea runs out. Only miserable at 3 mins or so. Not as bad in plus when Pursuit downtime procs a lot

[glass mortar]

that is quite low so you will run out just naturally sometimes

but it shouldnt be all the time

and it gets better as you get more haste

[frail veldt]

thats way too low haha

[dark ember]

Have you considered rolling stage 3 more often?

You should choose to do that

[wintry solar]

thats what I do

works everytime

[wintry leaf]

No aoe stun anymore?

Love the spec, favorite dopamine hits, bit but as a pugger, how is our utility kit?

[river wing]

about as empty as Midnight mobs' wallets

[vivid vessel]

we prolly have the worse utility across every class

rogue only bring damage in keys

nothing else

[river wing]

unless there are notable skips in S1, like very good ones
we will have no utility

[vivid vessel]

skips are irrelevant

you can do them with night elf tanks

pots

soothes

mage mass invis

[glass mortar]

i mean thats like the only utility mages and priests bring to a key so

fair game

😎

[vivid vessel]

fr fr

[glass mortar]

onc

[fossil lintel]

You also bring yellow, which is a primary color

[restive mango]

for utility ill just put down piss

[river wing]

ohh that was a good ||bait||, I almost bought it

[sterile wadi]

ANyone know of any content creators for outlaw specifically? Or that also has outlaw content? I'm trying to watch someone do the rotation to understand where I'm going wrong.

[autumn wasp]

So we have 7 CP and and Supercharger gives us 2 more which equal 2 each? So technicaly its 11?

[glass mortar]

you only consume 1 supercharger at a time

so no

ur talents make each supercharger worth 3 as well so its 10 CP for each if u finish on 7

[autumn wasp]

And Coupe De Grace give 5 additional correct?

[glass mortar]

uhh something like that, if thats what it says in the tooltip then yes

i havent read it directly in a bit

[autumn wasp]

So if you time it right, its a 15 CP Dispatch.

Could be sexy

[wintry leaf]

Does Supercharger help BtE reset?

Guides I read only take 1 point in BtE

[vivid vessel]

yes but this is outlaw

it doesnt mean much

we fire a finisher every 2/3s

you are not gonna explode a pack cause you pressed a 15cp dispatch

you wont even notice it

[glass mortar]

idk about time it right since if ur doing anything to try to move coup to a supercharge window ur probably butchering ur rotation to a degree u lost a lot of net dps

even our hardest hitting spells dont hit as hard as u think

but yea occasionally u might get a 15 cp dispatch

lil cute

[mystic berry]

there is liveshowfieldy but he is mia since prepatch

We dont have many options

[sterile wadi]

Bummer.

[glass mortar]

i mean zac is but i doubt hes really streaming much now and idk if id call his content educational

for educational outlaw content creators we have... very few

i cant name any i know of currently

[sterile wadi]

Im not even looking for educational, just someone I can watch play outlaw to compare my decisions to theirs.

[fossil lintel]

That is what? 15 seconds of CDR though?

Definitely noticible

Where's llnch when you need him?

[harsh ocean]

!spreadsheet

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glass mortar]

well zac does stream outlaw stuff

and his youtube channel has vods of his gameplay

idk how much midnight stuff hes done

im a bad fan clearly

[mystic berry]

@vivid vessel you know what to do

[glass mortar]

[mystic berry]

take the mantle

[wintry leaf]

Well., unless Outlaw is just really fun for you, there's not much desirability in m+??

[glass mortar]

yea

[vivid vessel]

well im gonna start streaming again when raid and keys start

[glass mortar]

u can be tuned good tho

[vivid vessel]

nothing to stream for now

[glass mortar]

wtf u could be streaming world content

and delves????

[vivid vessel]

i will stream day one of hc tho

[glass mortar]

give the people what they wanna see

[vivid vessel]

m0s and hc raid should be good enough content

[fossil lintel]

You can stream m0s right now

And prey

[glass mortar]

prey!!!!! prey streams when zac

[vivid vessel]

no i cant

it took me legit 3 hours

to do all m0 on my main

now week is over

what am i gonna do

at least next week its m0 every day

[keen belfry]

I’ll become YouTube NA version of Zac and

Fuck him

[fossil lintel]

Uh, join random groups without telling them you are loot locked, obviously

[glass mortar]

do it

replace his bars

replace his place in our discord commands

replace him as r1 streamer

awangangangascending

[keen belfry]

Awang educational content would go so hard

U guys dont even get it

[fossil lintel]

Yo are you posting that somewhere? Some Wang on french action

[keen belfry]

Give him my ouioui

[wooden pilot]

did anyone in beta ever figure out kick tracking?

awangawangkicking

[tropic zephyr]

You count down in your head

[vivid vessel]

i mean you cant

wdym

or well tyhe way you could or can will or did get fixed

cause its jsut exploits

blizz forgot about

[fossil lintel]

There was a trick for some time that would tell you if a kick is on cd as long as they actually got it off

[glass mortar]

zac do u like fellowships kick thingy

i think it wuld be cute in wow

[vivid vessel]

its ok

[wooden pilot]

yeah but like what if 5 people in group have same addon/wa can you not do something w chat

[glass mortar]

yea could be improved

a solid start tho

for a basic ui element

[wooden pilot]

hack ofc but

[glass mortar]

wow has zero shit like it

[fossil lintel]

No

[vivid vessel]

thats one of the main thing that was targeted in midnight

removing addons com

so no

[keen belfry]

it had issues when same spec in the key but i liked it

[vivid vessel]

chat is fully locked

[wooden pilot]

oh missed that 😭

[fossil lintel]

Anyone would have missed that

[vivid vessel]

addon com enable raid assignements etc

its litteraly r1 thing that they had to remove

[wooden pilot]

yeee makes sense once I decide to think about it with my brain on

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, even if you can't read Debuffs from the add-on, you could still do the macro trick and have people press it when they get a mechanic if add-on comms was still a thing

[keen belfry]

@glass mortar i feel like you do proffessionss

is crafting flasks cheaper than buying them

[fossil lintel]

Yes

[glass mortar]

let me tell you, u are wrong

[fossil lintel]

Well, with concentration army, yes

[glass mortar]

rn i have engi at 30 and mining at 60 and no other midnight proff

i did proffs in tww so it was a good guess

[fossil lintel]

I have 8 characters concentration crafting alchemy consumables

[keen belfry]

yeahh if i wanted to craft my max rank flasks id have to maximize a fair amount right

[fossil lintel]

Do you have a bunch of level 80 ALTs?

[glass mortar]

i managed to keep 1 toon fine on flasks with 1 alch

dont think u could do 2 tho

[keen belfry]

4

[glass mortar]

and that was last expac

[keen belfry]

i just get alchemy to 15 and get longer flasks and say gg

[fossil lintel]

Takes like 20 min to set them up to concentration craft flasks and then you get 4+ flasks out of each every 3 days

[jolly geyser]

I have LW at 67

[keen belfry]

give me the ru ndown marvin

fast

[atomic bear]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[fossil lintel]

Buy some mats and some cheap healing pots, log into the character, pick up alchemy, break down healing pots until 20ish, do all first crafts, grab all alchemy treasures

Then buy the recipe for the flask on the cauldron, put points on flask tree going to the middle left Multicraft node

And you're set up

[keen belfry]

look at this

[fossil lintel]

Later you can just log into your main, buy mats to craft on all of them, throw on warband bank, then log into each of them and craft twice with concentration, use the 2 hour warbank thing and throw the flasks in there, should be able to do that every 3 days

Focus on getting to that node on the alts

Since they don't care as much for flask duration but that will give you tons of multicraft

[keen belfry]

ok ty i think i udnerstand

[fossil lintel]

Also just buy green profession equipment from AH for them, grab a tool with multicraft

[keen belfry]

i need to dive int o profs

[fading sapphire]

hello guys, is outlaw good for raiding in midnight season 1?

[fossil lintel]

No idea ask again ins 15 days

The longest part of setting up the character will be grabbing the profession knowledge treasures

[keen belfry]

why do i need alts for concentration?

[fossil lintel]

Each character has their own pool of concentration

So 1 character gets enough to concentration craft twice every 3 days

4 characters gets enough to craft 8 times every 3 days

Each craft gives you 2 flasks + a chance at multicrafting that can give up to like 6

[glass mortar]

one of my friends had like 40 enchanting alts he used to print money using this method last expac

[fossil lintel]

I have 4 characters doing flasks and 4 doing potions

[glass mortar]

i cant imagine

[frail veldt]

thats a lot

is that just to make gold?

[glass mortar]

yea

that friend is also in the race for most max level alts in the game so

[frail veldt]

LOL

thats very silly

when does the race end?

[glass mortar]

i think he was r3 in TWW

i havent kept up with him

oh i guess race is wrong

its more like a leaderboard?

[frail veldt]

so he just levels alts

all xpac?

theres no way

[random stirrup]

link?

[glass mortar]

doubt its all expac

[frail veldt]

it only takes like 2-3hours

[glass mortar]

its on wowprog i think

[frail veldt]

yeah there must be a cutoff

like a race end

I mean the leaderboard has got to be like 50-100 alts

or more even

[glass mortar]

let me see if i can find it

its more like a semi serious casual "competition" mewo i dont think any of the people in it r cutting their teeth spamming alts every day

they just like to level and then it turned into a competition between a few people at some point

i think he had like 300 max level alts in DF or something

its weird because they cant all be on the same account so idk how they link them thru wowprog

i guess u can link accounts cant u

even in bnet

[frail veldt]

thats wild haha

I know people also like compete on speed run 80-90

[fossil lintel]

Most of those characters was probably just legion remix

[frail veldt]

not insanely strict but pretty cool

[fossil lintel]

You could level an alt in 20 min

[frail veldt]

thats wild

[fossil lintel]

I know a full on goblin from EU with 160 level 80 characters

[glass mortar]

watching leveling speedruns is content i find surprisngly fun too yea

i turn it on in the background sometimes

its funny seeing the guys who find the fastest leveling route and how degen it gets

[fossil lintel]

Yeah the legion remix 1-80 speedrun was sub 2 min

[frail veldt]

THE FUCK

[hasty warren]

how lol

[fossil lintel]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uVZBXrUPeDg

[frail veldt]

nice harldan

[fossil lintel]

Requires 30 people helping though

[glass mortar]

aww he fell off

🙁

[fossil lintel]

This man is the goat, he even has a free leveling add-on up

[glass mortar]

i lied hes r32 now ,maybe hes not actively focusing on it anymore

i havent checked in awhile

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/leaderboards/alts-score/us?rank=26

this is the website tho

apparently the score is the sum total level of all characters on ur account

[hasty warren]

ye im using it it's realy good

[glass mortar]

thats how they calculate it i think

[glass mortar]

the links right above if u wanted to see it

it was dataforazeroth not wowprog

thats why i couldnt find

[random stirrup]

ya one of my friends used to be r1 achievement points and had a bunch of alts so was curious

it appears that mop remix dealt him an unrecoverable blow and he is no longer on leaderboards

unlucky

[glass mortar]

o7

[frail veldt]

yeah ive heard good things

[shadow badge]

yo, do you guys have specific addons or tricks for roll the bones?

to at least make a sound when it's about to expire

[outer meteor]

am i trolling or is aug just really bad for outlaw

[shadow badge]

because in the blizzard weakauras i only see an option to make a sound when it expires not before

[keen belfry]

@fossil lintel nbd

[fossil lintel]

That's your main?

[shadow badge]

your druid is trolling

first of all

[fossil lintel]

On alts you don't need to go 15 points in the first node

[keen belfry]

main yes

[fossil lintel]

And then if you miss a few, check if you did all first time crafts

You can get the recipe for the philosopher stone from the cauldron basically free

Which will give you a first time and let you transmute for another

[keen belfry]

is stuff in warbanks accessible via prof tables

[fossil lintel]

And then when you craft the flask for the first time you will get another first time

[vivid vessel]

nbd bud

[outer meteor]

well yes but that doesnt help me

[fossil lintel]

Alternatively you can get the 10 point boost from voidstorm rep cendor

[fossil lintel]

Yes

Just throw mats on warband bank and you can use them on all characters

[keen belfry]

woah!

[fossil lintel]

Also check patron orders, there may be some cheap ones that give knowledge

And you can get a weekly quest to do 2 orders for another point

[glass mortar]

historically aug has been pretty shit with law

couldnt tell u with new law and new aug tho

i have not followed aug stuff even a little

they got some sizeable changes

[fossil lintel]

You need rank 9 with voidstorm rep for the item by the way

[keen belfry]

i got that nbd

[fossil lintel]

Hey they buffed the green gems

They now give 11 and 4

[mighty pivot]

they did

tww gems are still good though at 10/3

[fossil lintel]

isn't it old ones are 8/3?

[mighty pivot]

clarified by edit

[outer meteor]

any experts?

[fossil lintel]

oh so they buffed midnight ones and nerfed tww ones?

[mighty pivot]

no, I will delete that message because it just confuses

[normal forge]

so far no nerfs or buffs for us? https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnight-patch-12-0-5-ptr-class-and-spell-tuning-changes-380765?

[mighty pivot]

they only buffed midnight gems

[prisma lantern]

This is different patch. Not the tuning pass next week.

[placid ocean]

Is this overall? What's your ilvl?

[outer meteor]

ye overall on voidscar arena 237ilvl

[keen belfry]

just made 6 crit flasks @fossil lintel rank 2nbd

[fossil lintel]

with multicraft?

[keen belfry]

yeah nbd

[placid ocean]

Ah, I'm 230 with an abysmal stat spread. Granted, my numbers should be much better than what they are

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, nice

and with rank 1 mats it's a lot cheaper than buying them off the ah

[keen belfry]

i see i see

[outer meteor]

i feel like maybe i just trolled that dungeon cuz i did another after and beat the mage at 82k

[placid ocean]

RNG?

[prisma lantern]

Augmentation Evoker buffs.

[fossil lintel]

once you're set up you just do it once every 3 days on each character and you're done, can basically sustain your consumables usage

[clever wasp]

12.0.5......

[fossil lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-starwars-mindtrick-gif-5090789

[normal forge]

im not getting it

[fossil lintel]

that's the patch notes for the patch 2 months from now, not the tuning pass for next week

[normal forge]

ah yeah, ok , i see now, ty

[fossil lintel]

but we're probably not getting buffed either way

[placid ocean]

I imagine none of the rogue specs will get much of anything?

[fossil lintel]

assa could probably get buffed a bit

[normal forge]

hopefully they can nerf sub

[keen belfry]

@fossil lintel how do u get to be able to only craft r2 flasks without concentration

is taht even possilb

[long barn]

@gaunt phoenix still need that trinket log?

[mighty pivot]

you'd need basically 100 skill, r2 all mats (including vials), +40 skill from prof equipment, and all skill increase nodes affecting flasks

[lime lake]

yeah everything perfect puts you like one point over the required skill

[mighty pivot]

yes

[lime lake]

shouldve abused the profession bug then i'd have it

unlucky

[keen belfry]

crit flask goes for 1800

crafting 2 costs like 1200ish

with multicraft us ave decent money

how much is the big multicraft proc

i made 6 without 20 points in the final thing for big multi

[spring compass]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sterile wadi]

Wait, is this spreadsheet saying that outlaw is the highest dps sim in raid? Interesting, I thought it was sub.

[keen belfry]

your sim dps can mean nothing for raid performance

sub was the best dps in DF S3 and was average in terms of sim dps

burst exists

[sterile wadi]

Fair detail. Awang, where's your educational content bruh

Make it happen

I'll donate 10 dollars lol

[keen belfry]

monthly?

[sterile wadi]

Daily

one day

[keen belfry]

mmmm

[sterile wadi]

🙂

[keen belfry]

im a sick wow teacher

[sterile wadi]

I can hear it in your voice

[wintry leaf]

Are rogues really as tanky as that video claims?

[sterile wadi]

No

[random stirrup]

depends on the context

[keen belfry]

theres a world, this tier, we are very squishy

time will tell

but if feint works on it we are tanky

[random stirrup]

if feint works you're only a bit worse than dk, if feint doesn't work you're a bit screwed, especially vs. rot

[keen belfry]

im still worried about feint energy

[wintry leaf]

Hrm

Looking for an alt, . Outlaw is my favorite spec but no lust or brez to help me get into pugs

[keen belfry]

or aoe stop*

or raid buff*

[craggy quiver]

Tell pugs you can bang on drums really well

and zap people back to life

[stuck patrol]

When i do m0s as outlaw, I feel like i do healer dps, and then sometimes I just pop off

Is the variance really high?

Or am I just bad lmao

[keen belfry]

sounds bad tbh

but blame procs

[frail veldt]

the only reason to bring outlaw to an m+ group is for shroud(if the other two rogue specs suck) or if it guarantee tops the meters

right now neither of those are the case so

[still matrix]

So i read those datamined patch notes... outlaw is DEADGE???

Reeeee

[frail veldt]

I kinda felt like I was cranking in m0

even at 200ilvl

but its an m0

so I know we only get worse after that lol

[still matrix]

jkjk

[random stirrup]

hey it also has a niche as being a very tanky spec, only below dk... oh wait they gutted that too

[frail veldt]

hey at least our cleave damage goes up at lower target counts

...ah shit

[random stirrup]

the low target cleave niche!

[stuck patrol]

Basically id crank when I got tier 3 and 4 roles and when I had adr

But tbf im comparing myself to a demo lock and a brewmaster monk and they seem to just explode damage

I keep thinking more and more that I might just need to play sub, I feel like outlaw only does well at higher target counts

[frail veldt]

well tier 3/4 dont add as much dps as going from tier 1 to 2

[empty tulip]

i switched to outlaw because sub is ungodly boring rn

[frail veldt]

I think stage 2->3 is like a 6% dps increase

[stuck patrol]

Idk what the issue is then

Been double checking the rotation guide, I feel like im doing everything correctly

Maybe my gear just isn't optimized enough, my crit is really low

Every piece of gear is haste mastery or haste vers I stg

[frail veldt]

whats your ilvl and what overalls are you getting?

[still matrix]

244.5 I've hit like 80k+, overall hard to tell in pugs where 1 person just does dog damage and the other carries

[stuck patrol]

Ilvl is around 230ish, im at work so I cant check

[frail veldt]

but yeah I mean double check things like your build/rotation stuff

the rotation optimizations are only worth a couple percent

[stuck patrol]

It might be that the demo lock in my group just kills things so fast that I cant get a good representation

[sterile wadi]

Wait, is outlaw supposed to have the stronger weapon in the offhand??

[vivid vessel]

no]

[stuck patrol]

Build and rotation are correct as far as I've been able to tell

[stuck patrol]

If its a dagger then yes bc you need a nondagger in mh

But otherwise no

Your damage is higher with high ilvl in mh

[sterile wadi]

Im looking at this dude https://murlok.io/character/us/grizzly-hills/scoreboard/pve

Hes got a crafted dagger in his offhand

this must be intentional?

[stuck patrol]

Yes

[sterile wadi]

I know you just said because dagger

but why did he craft a dagger?

[stuck patrol]

They probably play sub and outlaw

[still matrix]

to play sub

[stuck patrol]

So they crafted a dagger for mh in sub, and put it in their oh for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

becuase most rogues dont play outlaw in raid

[keen belfry]

hey that guy buys keys!

[random stirrup]

wait true it is that guy

[still matrix]

why you gotta out him like that ahaha

[keen belfry]

sorry sorry mb

[stuck patrol]

Ngl I inspect rogues in the world all the time, and its so common for people to have higher ilvl in offhand for some reason

People are dumb man

[sterile wadi]

okay, so if I'm only planning on playing outlaw, i craft anything and put it in mainhand

anything other than dagger lol

[stuck patrol]

Again, dagger in OH is the exception

[keen belfry]

yeah just craft a sword if ur gonna play law rn

[stuck patrol]

I ain't crafting till I get bigger crests

Bc im a penny pincher

[sterile wadi]

I have a decent amount of money saved, so I will craft now ;D

thanks for the help yall

Hunt for the weapon craft?

[fossil lintel]

You max out the first two nodes in fluent in flaks, unlock alchemical mastery and max out the center node (30 points) + 15 points into the flask node, level alchemy all the way to 100 and get all blue profession gear at least

that will let you craft rank 2 flasks without concentration (using full rank 2 materials)

very unlikely to ever be profitable because there's an army of people with 100+ characters doing concentration craft on this non-stop

[frail veldt]

cuz outlaws generally considered bad in raid so most rogue mains for their guild will craft a dagger since it can be used by both sub and assa

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, if I could natty craft rank 2 flasks right now (with the added multicraft bonuses I have, which a character that went for r2 craft wouldn't have), i would be looking at -226g per craft

[keen belfry]

marvin how to get moxie

[fossil lintel]

first crafts, patron orders

[wintry leaf]

Ugh, but Sub is so boring

Subs aoe is boring anyway

[fossil lintel]

gaining knowledge points also give moxie

oh yeah, if you want to craft haste flasks, the "become more versatile" is just drink a vers flask once

[vivid vessel]

btw

@frail veldt

you noticed the new thing with casts

in midnight

where blizzard flagged some casts as important

and its already useless

cause half the casts they flaged as important are not important

[keen belfry]

2 chars ready for crafting nbnd @fossil lintel

[fossil lintel]

yeah, it's pretty quick to set up

do buy the equipment for them off the AH

[keen belfry]

mhm

[fossil lintel]

look for green tool with multicraft on it

[frail veldt]

I havent checked but I am not surprised, what did you make of their post about the api changes coming in 12.0.5

it kinda to me reads like theyre realizing they arent accomplishing what they wanted to accomplish and they need to do even more work to get the privatization to a point that they want it

[vivid vessel]

ye idk xd

[brisk crypt]

for the people who gonna be raiding in outlaw, how we feeling?

[merry harness]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[keen belfry]

meh i expect us to be mid at pure ST

[brisk crypt]

im stuck between playing sub, topping meters in my guild but being bored with the gameplay and outlaw where i enjoy the gameplay but am mid lol

[keen belfry]

play law and top meters

[fossil lintel]

is sub topping the meters in ST right now?

[prisma lantern]

No. Pretty middle of the pack in ST.

[fossil lintel]

yeah, that's what I'm seeing

[prisma lantern]

Decent burst - looks great in M0s. 😂

[brisk crypt]

(for context im only in a casual mythic guild but im too competitive at this game for my own good XD)

[fossil lintel]

I don't think sub is significantly better than outlaw right now either, so don't worry too much about it

need to see the tuning

[keen belfry]

u can top meters as law in a casual mythic guild

[brisk crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/ragnarskol-gif-136182394423579844

[cobalt token]

much harder

but possible

😭

[marble kernel]

Hello, whats the build for low geared 90s?

[frail veldt]

same build

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

you have to track ace proc for sub

cant even have fun and react to it

what a shit spec

[random stirrup]

why track it

just dont be a noob and know u procced it

[vivid vessel]

for this

or

idk i havent played the spec yet

just reading

[random stirrup]

#outlaw message

[vivid vessel]

what

look

idk how it work

brudha

[random stirrup]

smh..

also that line in faq is a bit out of date

u only do that in lust now

where u have so much sht its just strike finish strike finish

no brain

[mighty pivot]

what if I miss 7 autos in a row though

[random stirrup]

get happy you're just missing cp on sub and you're not completely oom on outlaw because you lowrolled autos

[mighty pivot]

true and real

[fossil lintel]

Question: is your offhand daggers also made out of paper? My dagger breaks 4x faster than anything else

[fathom bramble]

yes

[frail veldt]

main gauche

offhand swings

[mighty pivot]

daggers have lower durability and your OH attacks a lot

[frail veldt]

its mostly MG

cuz this doesnt happen as bad on sub/assa

[fossil lintel]

I never noticed it before and we used daggers on offhand as well

[frail veldt]

its always been a thing

[fathom bramble]

it's probably technically a bug

[random stirrup]

every time you press bf you trigger a bunch of mg attacks on the whole pack

[fathom bramble]

some spells aren't suppose to drain durability

but outlaw has just kind of always had this since they fixed MG to trigger on a ton of stuff

[mighty pivot]

no devs just hate outlaw and they want outlaw players to be poor

[elder sonnet]

done all the weekly's / preys / m0s

what to do now

[frail veldt]

go outside

[glass mortar]

the way a friend told it to me the whole repair damage system is still vanilla esque code

so its probably just literally more instances of attacks = much faster breaking

[elder sonnet]

good point

[fathom bramble]

it is

[glass mortar]

its so silly

[fathom bramble]

but certain passives/attacks are exempt from durability draining somhow

like obviously BF doesn't drain durability

[frail veldt]

enjoy it before prog starts haha

[fathom bramble]

I wish they would just redo durability code from the ground up

[glass mortar]

oh yea i mean i guess it gets weird with aoe

[fathom bramble]

make it just time spent in combat + deaths

[glass mortar]

but i guess it makes sense to me in my head?

[fathom bramble]

so melee don't have to constantly repair more

[glass mortar]

even with BF up, when u press an attack ur weapon swings once

i imagine it only counts it once

[frail veldt]

its kinda a legacy quirk thing thats pretty harmless

[glass mortar]

i dont think for warriors aoe abilities drain faster then ST either

[frail veldt]

most of your repair comes from deaths right?

not from actual combat

[glass mortar]

but like, fury destroys its weapons compared to arms

[fathom bramble]

depends on how much you are dying

[frail veldt]

sure

but if you arent dying

you dont need to repair much at all

[fathom bramble]

if you are spamming farm keys and never die then it's definitely mostly decay

I just don't like that constant play on other classes results in rarely repairs

[frail veldt]

yeah but thats like one repair for hours of combat if you dont die

[cobalt token]

i wanna hear peoples opinions what do yall prefer

[fathom bramble]

but for paladins(blocking consumes shield durability) and rogue we repair all the time

[cobalt token]

elusiveness or cheat death