#outlaw

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rich moon
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I know it's basically impossible unless you're actively trying to do it lol

frail veldt
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you would have to do your rotation wrong

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so yeah its possible if you like forget to press bte

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but yeah @winter falcon #outlaw-faq has probably the most "correct" builds/rotation rules though they do change over time as people discover more nuanced rules in the apl that might impact the results

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so I'd check that out

winter falcon
frail veldt
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yeah I mean its always possible someone else discovers something new

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but unless there are like legit sim results id be weary

next wedge
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who has a ui i can steal

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!ui

ornate heathBOT
next wedge
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pog

winter falcon
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is there a better cdm profile

autumn wasp
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Can someone explain the possible point to use Hidden Opportunity in the talent tree?

It just sounds bad. Ambush gives a less chance than SS, to give Opportunity?

Am I missing something?

winter falcon
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Having a hard time finding something to track palmed bullets

gaunt phoenix
autumn wasp
gaunt phoenix
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giving it opportunity is a way to help it be better than ss

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no, it takes your current opportunity chance for ss, and then multiplies it by 0.8

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so if SS has a 60% chance to proc opportunity, ambush has 48%

autumn wasp
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That's what I figured

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Just seems like a weak capstone talent

gaunt phoenix
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it is very weak

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it was historically part of outlaw's builds the last 2 expansions

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but this time it didnt quite make it

autumn wasp
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Solo, do you find Deadly Pursuit worth it?

gaunt phoenix
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no, not in keys

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i think i will remove it from the recommended key build

autumn wasp
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Thanks. I thought the same thing, but it seems maybe people run it.

fossil lintel
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I did notice it when waiting for boss rp a few times today

stoic topaz
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how is freightrunner's flask?

gaunt phoenix
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doesnt seen like anything special

wintry leaf
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Do I need Deadly Pursuit? What skills does it actually cooldown faster and, I don't get how it triggers? I have to be out of combat?

gaunt phoenix
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these spells

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you have to not spend combo points for 4 seconds

fossil lintel
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Usually it will only trigger during downtime

gaunt phoenix
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so basically only during downtime yes

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it's just a way to help recoup some of the negative effect of having downtime

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but, the effect is pretty minimal, and you can swap it to like 5% stamina if you wanted

fossil lintel
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Would be interesting to see over the course of an entire run how much CDR it actually provides

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I would write a WA for it, but oh well

wintry leaf
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Ty

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And, we aren't taking Improved BTE?

gaunt phoenix
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we are

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what are you looking at?

icy cedar
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i just got a Bnet alert for "WoW Portal Room"? Some kind of official WoW thing? It even has a list of community discords, how come Ravenholdt isn't listed 😮

reef plinth
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Yeah, I joined the discord server. Seems cool.

icy cedar
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do they consider this server not welcoming enough?

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also is it just me or there just way too many "get out of melee" void zones in these dungeons and the mobs don't follow the tank out either

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making positioning a pain in the ass for outlaw

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like am i just not used to them yet or are these dungeons awful for melee

vivid vessel
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You aren't used to them

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It's fairly normal now

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Since like tww

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They do that a lot

wintry leaf
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Do we not have an aoe stun anymore? Airborne irritant?

vivid vessel
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No we have nothing

hollow bloom
icy cedar
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or give me back my long arms

tulip walrus
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Wait, zac, are you not asleep or are you awake?

bright crane
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rofl bugged achiev?

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lime lake
bright crane
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no shot i got it during season

cunning granite
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Would it be a good idea to upgrade my gear now? or should I wait a bit

icy cedar
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adventurer and veterans crests are useless just use them

bright crane
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adventure for sure use. min maxers say to hold on to vet

oblique trench
cunning granite
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Thank you friends

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prec you

bright crane
winter falcon
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Why dispatch in the opener and not bte?

oblique trench
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for snd buff

frail veldt
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Does rsham still have kick in pve?

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are they the only healer?

solid gyro
reef plinth
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Is it really that massive of a dps loss to not play KiR and Sleight and go Heavy hitter x2 and Find an opening?

frail veldt
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You can sim yourself to see how much you'll lose

near lichen
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So how is outlaw guys?

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Im still leveling so didnt reach full on talents

stuck patrol
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it sucks worst spec it does negative dps bad bad bad

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unless ur having fun

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then it's probably good

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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
hasty warren
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Hi pirates

near lichen
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There aint no more pirate

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Actually miss rtb buffs

stuck patrol
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I also miss crackshot

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I don't miss UHUH though, fuck UHUH

near lichen
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Bloodlust pull
roll one of a kind
smh my head

stuck patrol
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Are sims working for outlaw in regards to the Reshii wraps cloak?

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This is 0.7% dps behind, even though it's a 57 ilvl upgrade

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balmy topaz
gaunt phoenix
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Are you also including a replacement for your boots?

mystic berry
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Whenever i'm out of LD I roll ones

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so I just consider that I will always roll ones without LD

normal forge
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Create a new char. That one is hexed

mystic berry
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lol

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"Im not dropping any gear, my character is bugged, blizz fix"

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same vibes

normal forge
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Yes. I'm joking ofc

mystic berry
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yes yes, just brought a memory to me

normal forge
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yesterday i think LD failed to work , i had a RTB lvl 3, then pressed ADR then pressed RTB and got a lvl 1 rtb, so it was like LD didn't work

i dont know, did any1 had that happening to them?

stuck patrol
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I guess I should mention that before they patched it out, I put an old +5agi enchant on it, so that might have something to dot with it ig

obsidian karma
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hey should I go for cheap eyes of the eagle or cheap alacrity enchant on ring if I'm lacking haste? i'm currently at 15%

mighty pivot
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15% is very low, go for the cheap haste one it's like 5g each anyway

obsidian karma
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Silvermoon alacrity? its fucking 5k cheapest lmao

mighty pivot
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no, the cheap one

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thalassian haste

obsidian karma
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aah lol didn't know they have different names

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aight thanks

mighty pivot
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it's like 5g for 22 haste or 60g for 24 haste

obsidian karma
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found it, thank you!

mighty pivot
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small difference in stats big in price for doodoo gear

open frost
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!ui

ornate heathBOT
gaunt phoenix
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does anyone have a log with the singulariy renown trinket?

long barn
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I have one. Your talking the champion trinket you can upgrade like 4 times

unborn cave
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The bad one, yes

vestal tree
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Is WangBar faster than the BCDM's bars and can it adjust width based on cdm width?

mystic berry
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from my anecdotal test

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its the same speed

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sensei have blizzard delay

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but a couple other addons dont

gaunt phoenix
long barn
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Ok, I’ll get it to you shortly

gaunt phoenix
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Blue balling me

mystic berry
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A question floated my mind

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is there absolutely no fringe cases of using PS at 3?

gaunt phoenix
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what else would you do?

mystic berry
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There is only one scenario I can think of, ace procs and you are at 3 cp with one dice I guess

glass mortar
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isnt the PS rule to use PS if you are at 1-3 CP?

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2-3 for fatebound with 2 buff

gaunt phoenix
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Yes, you use PS at 3

glass mortar
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so in that scenario... you would use PS

fossil lintel
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I think he mean without opp

keen belfry
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Ps without opp

glass mortar
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that would make even less sense

fossil lintel
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But that is heathen

glass mortar
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what would using PS at 3 with no opp do?

fossil lintel
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It would put you to 5

mystic berry
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No no, ps with 3 charges

glass mortar
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PS gives 1 cp baseline

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with no opp

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it would put u at 4

fossil lintel
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Oh

gaunt phoenix
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what are you asking exactly?

glass mortar
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hes asking what we thought

fossil lintel
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I thought the first one always gave 2

glass mortar
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he got his answer i believe

fossil lintel
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At 3 OPP you ps at 3

glass mortar
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ye

fossil lintel
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It will put you to 7

mystic berry
glass mortar
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at 1 cp or 4 cp sure

fossil lintel
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That's a small optimization

glass mortar
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the FaQ rule for builders is to use PS at 1-3 CP

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this is regardless of ur number of opp stacks, just having any

gaunt phoenix
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you said "PS at 3", think we all read that as 3 combo points

glass mortar
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then theres the additional rule for SS at 1 cp for fatebound

mystic berry
glass mortar
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oh really i assumed 3 opp

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i only responded to 3 CP because the example given

fossil lintel
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Oh okay yeah I assumed 3 cp

keen belfry
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Yeah but what if you are 0 combo points

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Thoughts

glass mortar
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probably SS for the same reason you'd do it at 1 cp i imagine

fossil lintel
glass mortar
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itll still put you to 6 if it procs right

keen belfry
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0 combo pints banger

fossil lintel
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With a dunce cap

glass mortar
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i mean it can happen if u fatfinger a finisher under 5 cp

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or double send a spell because of lag

keen belfry
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I’m gonna make a bar for rogue only called the combo pint

fossil lintel
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Yeah 0 CP is generally a mistake

mystic berry
keen belfry
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Or you are cooking a up a no ruthlessness build

lucid sparrow
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so do u hold ur ps with 6 shots until ur ss doesnt proc

fossil lintel
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Ruthlessness should be baseline, kind of shitty they make us pick it up

fossil lintel
mystic berry
glass mortar
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if you have 6 FtH and need to build, you use PS

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it overrides considerations of CP im pretty sure

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the SS ones anyway

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(since that is what could overcap it)

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u can still BF over it

mystic berry
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One more talent that should've been a passive

fossil lintel
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Good chance we get tune notes preview tomorrow

mystic berry
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An end to the dooming war

glass mortar
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bears -500dkp

rugged nova
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How’s everyone feeling about outlaw? I barely got to 90 and got pulled into a few m0s. The other dps was way more geared. I was like 180 and they were 220 ish. They crushed me, would you say we are looking competitive? I like the game play glad to be playing rogue again, just hoping I can keep up.

glass mortar
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numbers are up in the air right now

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i felt bad in the normal places id expect to feel bad in m0 (when my tank decided to pull 20 mobs) and felt super bad anytime we fought caster packs because of blind change but numbers were alright

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nothing special, wasnt getting dogwalked or dogwalking my guildies

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except on bosses that lived like 60s i got dogwalked on those usually lul

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but again thats fairly typical of law regardless of design

ionic hemlock
tropic zephyr
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Things will probably change a lot on the 17th

turbid wren
gaunt phoenix
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outlaw is m0s is fine

rugged nova
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Haha yeah fingers crossed

gaunt phoenix
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i suspect our boss damage will get tuned

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and they nerf blade flurry again lmao

tropic zephyr
fervent garden
keen belfry
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i think my joy would increase immensely if they remove the ss combo point delay

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not sure why its back

fervent garden
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yeah but it feels so good when you time it j u s t right and it hits

glass mortar
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time what

gaunt phoenix
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it

glass mortar
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?

fervent garden
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exactly

keen belfry
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when i see the ss proc glow and then i see 2 +3 on my screen, timed perfectly

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boomage!

glass mortar
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its just funny to me all the people trying out new outlaw and discovering the core filler rotation is a banger

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i mean it always has been

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glad u guys r enjoying it

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just a shame its all we have now a day

keen belfry
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i just did my first sim of the season solo

glass mortar
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whatd u sim

keen belfry
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just curious what it wants me to do

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for stats

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ive just been equipping haste

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im ignoring the trinkets

mystic berry
keen belfry
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it used to be 5x the work to match the tank

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in tww s3

rugged nova
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Eh. Seems similar work to windwalker imo and wind is so iffy right now.

fading igloo
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What M0's are ya'll running to get out damaged, I've not been cleared by a single other class yet
Damage seems really good in M0s so far, mostly boss damage w/o cleave get's a bit cringe unless I hit a good roll

turbid wren
keen belfry
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i would guess u guys see it ona pull by pull basis and maybe arent checking overalls

fading igloo
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that's fair, I do think it can look bad on a pull by pull basis when sometimes you get one of those massive pulls and the token Dev collapses a star on the pack or you get said, chad druid tank, but overalls look really damn good

keen belfry
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cuz most cd specs have to not send cds on cd or get bad uses in these dungeons

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nice piina

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we r the same thinkers

glass mortar
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felt the same for prep tbh

fading igloo
glass mortar
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i stopped running it after my first m0

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no packs live long enough for double adr

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so ur just wasting a ton of cd efficiency

mystic berry
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I dont believe it

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Off cd, yeah

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Its possible

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devourers are hit or miss

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Funnily enough

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Havent played with many good ones

fading igloo
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still talking about Overalls, not pack by pack

keen belfry
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i aint ever lost an overall and ive been majorly gapped on certain pulls

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m0 overalls >>>>

mystic berry
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Overalls are a dangerous metric because law is the king of padding

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but I often top bosses

fading igloo
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Isn't that Sub BotanWheeze

mystic berry
fading igloo
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The hell are you padding on target cap with

mystic berry
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you got a point

keen belfry
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ill be so curious to see what specs are even pad/prio/funnel specs

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so many specs reworked idk dmg profiles anymore

mystic berry
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Should become clear tomorrow (if they do release the notes)

fading igloo
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Everything that clears me is a nasty lil padding leech

keen belfry
mystic berry
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But it might shift builds

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Atleast for the next tier

keen belfry
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shifting build dont change my knowledge of specs dmg profiles in m+

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must wait for m+

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and logs

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all i know isoutlaws prio got better which was needed

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but compared to other good players on other specs? no clue how good/bad it is

unkempt smelt
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I have a little question, is stealth/restealth kinda irrelevant as outlaw now?

glass mortar
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yes

keen belfry
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u could unbind if u want

lilac lion
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Someone can explain me why all Trinkets i got even a 220 (Drum of Renewed Bonds) are better than the 246 Voidstorm Trinket in my sims?

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Is this trinket so bad for Outlaw?

balmy topaz
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I have 25% haste now with flask

keen belfry
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your sims gaps me..

balmy topaz
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Cus craft wep

vivid vessel
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Things happened

keen belfry
balmy topaz
keen belfry
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did u craft that ring too

balmy topaz
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Unholy dk btw

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Yeah i did

keen belfry
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respect

gaunt phoenix
sterile wadi
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IS it worth crafting weapon right now?

gaunt phoenix
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you craft a weapon if you want a weapon for day 1 raiding

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you will just have to recraft it later

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which is just gold

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so you dont lose anything, but gold

lilac lion
gaunt phoenix
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i have no idea

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i can only tell you it doesn't proc in simc

mighty pivot
gaunt phoenix
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no, the 259 generic spark doesnt use crests

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just the spark

mighty pivot
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whaaaat WHAT

lilac lion
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Hm okay. May i give it a try with Haste Drum and Voidstorm trink

fiery musk
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what if u find a 1h sword mythic in your first vault?

glass mortar
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then u throw it in ur offhand until u get a high ilvl dagger and move on

lilac lion
glass mortar
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that same what if works for literally any slot u could craft

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only "safe" crafts are slots with zero items with good stats for the season

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maybe we got a couple o those but i dont think that info is anywhere yet

balmy topaz
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Literally a few crafts here and there

mighty pivot
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how come your OH is not a dagger? are your daggers much lower ilvl?

normal forge
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what is best? perform BR before BTE and benefit BR from cooldown reduction, or BR after BTE and benefit from BTE crit aura?

glass mortar
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bte doesnt give u crit

near rock
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🤔

unkempt dew
normal forge
glass mortar
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small damage amp yea

near rock
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oh you're missing chest enchant and epic gem

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ooh and you're in m+ spec

glass mortar
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i believe the answer is unless you would overcap energy during the gcd of that BR, you would BR > BtE tho

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8% more damage on a BR is not worth more then a full finishers cdr off its cd

ionic hemlock
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why the guide say to craft a wep with Darkmoon Sigil: Void - wouldnt I want to use Darkmoon Sigil: Blood? Is it for the multiple instances being able to overlap so it nets more useful in an encounter

near rock
glass mortar
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@gaunt phoenix could verify, the FaQ doesnt directly compare the two abilities but i believe you prioritize stuff in the order of the list (including sections) so cooldowns > finishers

balmy topaz
gaunt phoenix
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br first

gaunt phoenix
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so Shrugeg

glass mortar
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blood would probably sim higher if u got ur best secondary stat to be ur lowest tho

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have we considered that solo

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not everyone can get the good gear, maybe we are being too elitist

balmy topaz
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Ye but the sim will sim if it hits them all evenly no?

glass mortar
gaunt phoenix
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blood is 1.1 RPPM for 76 lowest stat
void is 3 rppm for 40 vers that can overlap

keen belfry
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might craft a sword cuz bored

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and a ring for fun

ionic hemlock
gleaming reef
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err anyone know why after uninstalling platynator and installing plater, my wangbar colors go out of whack?

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It's not listening to the colours I specific

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specified

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@keen belfry whelp... ><

vivid vessel
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Texture exploded

gleaming reef
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how do I fix it?

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damn

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lemme try reinstall

proven torrent
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Can someone explain to me why, since midnight, when I AR before my open, so basically what I do is AR > RtB > Ambush, when I AR my character starts attacking the target from a distance. Is this normal?

glass mortar
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because as fatebound AR flips coins

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and coins do damage

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so if ur targeting something when u ar u will start combat with them if thye are in range

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i think the coin flip is like a 20? 30 yard range

keen belfry
proven torrent
gleaming reef
keen belfry
glass mortar
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or wait until ur in melee range to press AR

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it doesnt get extended in stealth anymore and its ogcd

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if ur not immediatly attacking the target as u press AR ur wasting uptime of it

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why cast it from so far away

gleaming reef
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I uninstalled plater now worse. haha

glass mortar
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but yes u can simply not target anything when u AR and it wont break stealth

gleaming reef
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nothing's appearing now

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after full removal and reinstallation of both

keen belfry
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i bet some dependency issue i wonder

mighty pivot
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did you try changing the bar texture?

gleaming reef
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yes i tried changing texture bar, and also color of bar

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nothing works hmm

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lemme another

keen belfry
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i dont understand wow addons

gleaming reef
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/wb

keen belfry
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no use /wang

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how can a different addon break the textures of my addon?

mighty pivot
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if the texture was introduced by platynator and was used to skin wangbar

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and then you take away the addon, the texture is no longer available

gleaming reef
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You're right it's ok now

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Texture issue

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Wangbar was showing old platynator texture

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Fixed, thanks!

proven torrent
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What's ur advice about dat ?

glass mortar
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well first off, are you playing HO?

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its not recommended right now because its worse, but if you are ok. Otherwise you should not have ambush on any of your bars

proven torrent
keen belfry
glass mortar
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ok so you can remove ambush from all of your bars

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we dont ever press it without that talent

proven torrent
gleaming reef
glass mortar
keen belfry
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yeah then what NR said is right

glass mortar
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right here is two example openers

keen belfry
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i wonder if i can make wangbar only use its own textures

glass mortar
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you do want to open with AR, but you should be in/near melee range when you are opening

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you dont want to be losing those AR coin flips to the ground if you can avoid it, just know its going to start combat when you press it

proven torrent
vivid vessel
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dont do that

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you need a clear way to display that the texture is not there tho

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or that the textrue comes from a diff addon if possible

keen belfry
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that makes sense too

vivid vessel
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but i mean thts just user issue bro

mighty pivot
vivid vessel
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if they get skill issued

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its their fault

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weak aura does that

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you remember how

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you get the ugly textyure

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the rounded blizzard shit

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ewww !

keen belfry
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mmm yess mmmm

buoyant stratus
keen belfry
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noob alert

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platy gamer!

vivid vessel
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did you guys get your pangolin yet btw

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mighty pivot
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platy is goated

glass mortar
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HOLY

buoyant stratus
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Plater actually just lags my game so hard for no reason

glass mortar
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GUYS LEAKED 12.0.5 NOTES JUST DROPPED

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(there is no rogue changes)

buoyant stratus
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!!!!!

glass mortar
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to read today anyway

buoyant stratus
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Theyre just hiding!!!

glass mortar
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go enjoy ur sneak peak at new content ig

normal forge
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question:

if i have 5 cp and pistol proc on 6, should i SS to get cp to 6-7 or pistol shot to get to 7 (and waste like 2 cps) ?

glass mortar
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as fatebound ud finish if u were gunna dispatch

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assuming ur not in that scenario, youd PS

vivid vessel
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oh actually real

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i see

glass mortar
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yes im not joking

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they actually put out some initial 12.0.5 notes

vivid vessel
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i dont get it

glass mortar
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and rogue is not in it

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🙂

vivid vessel
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when is

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12.0.5

buoyant stratus
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Link pls

proven torrent
glass mortar
buoyant stratus
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Im dumb ans fat and ugly and blind

vivid vessel
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they are making tuning changes for a patch thats not out till like 4 weeks or hwat

proven torrent
vivid vessel
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or is that the patch thats out the 17th

glass mortar
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its ptr notes i dont think they test tuning on ptr in this way?

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what would be the point. 5 days of tuning on ptr before it hits live?

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but yea it is weird there are "tuning" changes for a future patch

mighty pivot
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that's not the tuning, 12.0.5 will take a while

vivid vessel
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bro

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how long is it

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to cap veteran crests

mighty pivot
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how are you not capped lil bro it's so easy

keen belfry
vivid vessel
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bro you legit need 20 preys

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like

mighty pivot
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2 hard preys and 8 m0 cap you for the week

vivid vessel
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what

vivid vessel
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thats not true at all

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at all

glass mortar
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HOLY THIS GAME IS SAVED

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finally

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🥹

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ive waited so long

mighty pivot
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and m0 are 10 vet crests each, and preys 10 (or 15 for random)

vivid vessel
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ye so its only 2x 8m0s and 20 preys or whatever

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holy shmoke

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itsn ot much bro

gray mortar
mighty pivot
mighty pivot
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you pay 50 but recoup like 30-40 by using traps

rancid silo
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It’s also warband

mighty pivot
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also that

gray mortar
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Sick, just dinged a new character for raid this season, and was tyring to figure out how to farm crests.

mighty pivot
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preys are so fast too, like 5-6 minutes if you only loot traps around the prey WQ area

vivid vessel
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ninja

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no one asked you

rancid silo
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15 vets for 5minutes of time is insane

mighty pivot
normal forge
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!opener

vivid vessel
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thats 4 for 40

mighty pivot
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only the first 2 give loot

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so you do 2 nonrandom hard preys for the loot, the rest you can random

vivid vessel
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thats still 10 prey in total

normal forge
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how you guys doing to avoid overcap of AR + BF in between packs?

vivid vessel
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and you needed to do normal preys

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at start

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to unlock

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rest

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thats 14 preys total

glass mortar
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u cant really avoi d it

mighty pivot
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10 in total to catch up with the cap, then you need 2 per week

glass mortar
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we do quite a bit of unavoidable overcapping in this law

vivid vessel
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stop messing with me ninja

mighty pivot
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I am at cap and I did 3 preys (3rd for the spark) this week

normal forge
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in between packs; if i have BF up can i open with BR to the mid of the pack?

mighty pivot
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it's true and real

modest nova
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On raid cleave boss which talents are u guys will use ? i don't see any on wowhead guide

vivid vessel
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yeye bro

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i trust

glass mortar
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especially in aoe i doubt its a noticable loss

normal forge
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yeah, focusing on BR cooldown reduction thing

cinder relic
glass mortar
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well the BR rule to not use it if you will overcap energy is overriding its use on cd rule so

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keep that in mind

modest nova
glass mortar
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you'd send a finisher over it even if it was off cd if it was going to overcap energy

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but also everything im saying right now is based on non tier set gameplay so maybe dont need to worry about these tiny things too much

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its gunna change soon

vivid vessel
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but i think for most bosses you could just take grand melee and be target capped at 5

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and then have 2 ace

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somehow

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instead of wasting a second talent

modest nova
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i did this but idk

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cinder relic
normal forge
jolly geyser
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damn, got 259/250 weapons now, can flex on those m0 dungeons

prisma bramble
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I have one question I need someone claryfing? A bit niche
Is it acceptable to use Opportunity at 6 stacks if you are at 4-5cp?

sterile wadi
prisma bramble
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And if Gravedigger is at ~4 stacks, should you hold off Between the Eyes until 6+ stacks?

normal forge
glass mortar
jolly geyser
glass mortar
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i say that second part because at 5CP you should be finishing with dispatch as fatebound, you'd only build at 5 if you were going to cast BtE or kspree

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but yes at 4 you would PS

prisma bramble
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Thanks for clarifying, I must've lost alot of DPS because i was holding it

cinder relic
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Damn they are adding bonus rolls back

vivid vessel
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cto?

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banger

prisma bramble
cinder relic
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Yeah

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Go down the the void forge section

mighty pivot
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Decimus will offer Nebulous Voidcores to the player in exchange for a choice of valuable resources including gold, Voidlight Marl, and Veteran Dawncrests.

vivid vessel
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gold?

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i can just buy all the gear

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or

prisma bramble
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Gamer move

glass mortar
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holy fuk

cinder relic
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That's how bonus rolls worked before

glass mortar
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dont mind me making a new outfit for every rotational ability

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and adding it to macros with them

cinder relic
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You bought 2-3 a week?

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And it was either with gold or order resources

cinder relic
glass mortar
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!!!

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guy knows

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cant wait for there to be another underwater boss so my guildies can all see my beach mog

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😎

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this is such a funny addition

normal forge
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so wait, so this Ascendant Voidcores will put a myth gear in max myth track without spending crests? is that it?

vivid vessel
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@mighty pivot i capped my crests

keen belfry
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id ont learn anything from reading

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can dratnos or zorthas make a video

jolly geyser
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wait 1h

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or 2

keen belfry
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no

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now

gaunt phoenix
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oh shit bonus rolls lol

mighty pivot
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Two Situations have been added: Weather and Time of Day.
finally we can have tmogs for rainy days

vivid vessel
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i didnt even know it rained in wow

glass mortar
jolly geyser
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should rain more

glass mortar
normal forge
jolly geyser
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zul aman in rain and at night would be neat

glass mortar
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they let you turbo boost trinkets and weapons

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so after you fully upgrade their track

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u can upgrade them past that

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i dont see anywhere it implies they let you skip the track

normal forge
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ok, got it

glass mortar
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this is basically built in turbo boost but its only for weapons and trinkets

normal forge
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what is current highest myth track ilvl?

glass mortar
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and then a bonus roll system that lets u target specific items in a roundabout way

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interesting stuffs for sure

shadow trellis
glass mortar
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only weapons and trinkets

normal forge
shadow trellis
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Thank youu

keen belfry
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if this means we skip turbo boost

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im so down

jolly geyser
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seems good

cinder relic
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M+ers getting deterministic mythic track loot HOLY

vivid vessel
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how

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or you mean you would take a m+ hc track piece and upgrade it with that thingy

glass mortar
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no

vivid vessel
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but wouldnt htat be a waste cause you can upgrade mythic pieces to mythic ++

glass mortar
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the bonus rolls

random stirrup
glass mortar
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u can use them in m+

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yea its not super fast

vivid vessel
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but that wouldnt be mythic track tho no?

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it would be hero

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so its useless

random stirrup
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like in the example they show it could take up to a month to get them all on myth track

vivid vessel
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you would never use it on m+ loot no ?

random stirrup
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it's a diff currency

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the voidcore things drop from content, looks like you buy 2 of the myth track item buying things a week

vivid vessel
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i think i missed something

random stirrup
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you spend 1 on a bonus loot roll to get 1 item on myth from that dungeon's loot pool, can keep running it as long as you have currency to get a unique different item

glass mortar
vivid vessel
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where does it say you can upgrade things to mythic

glass mortar
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its mythic track

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if u get it from m10+

vivid vessel
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i see

random stirrup
vivid vessel
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so you can roll in raid or roll in keys

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and in keys it transform it to mythic loot

glass mortar
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raid rolls take 2

vivid vessel
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right

glass mortar
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key rolls take 1

vivid vessel
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i understood correctly tho or ?

glass mortar
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ye

vivid vessel
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ok

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i see

glass mortar
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idk about transform

vivid vessel
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i mean im never rolling in m+

random stirrup
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the gamba is insane though

glass mortar
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its extra loot

vivid vessel
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thats so troll

glass mortar
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it doesnt replace ur loot

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its just extra stuff

jolly geyser
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did it say how to get bonus rolls

vivid vessel
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i see

random stirrup
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you could lowroll like 7 times and it take a month to get the trinket you want

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crazy no?

vivid vessel
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ye

random stirrup
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or get it first try

vivid vessel
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im never rolling in m+

shadow trellis
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Is this seperate from vault? You could potentially get two mythic track m+ items a week?

vivid vessel
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its so stupid

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rolling in raid is so op

glass mortar
vivid vessel
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you asre full gear in one week

random stirrup
vivid vessel
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comparatively

jolly geyser
glass mortar
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sure

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i mean you'd probably want a very specific item from m+ and it would need to be very good to use these as a pure minmaxer in m+

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its nice to have the option tho

jolly geyser
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the gold boss attacks

glass mortar
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and its nice for the more casual players doing m+ to just get extra loot

vivid vessel
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i feel like you are kinda trolling if you use this in keys but

glass mortar
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back in the day if u got bonus rolls and didnt raid u could use them on... world bosses and nothing else

vivid vessel
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only me CAUGHT

glass mortar
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not everyone plays the game the same as u

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in fact 99.9% of them dont

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maybe everything isnt designed for bozos like u who wont even read the notes

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😠

random stirrup
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the raid ones do seem better just because you can farm the pieces u dont want from raid eventually

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and then you can guarantee roll

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key will always be gamba max unless you spend 8 tokens or whatever

vivid vessel
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but

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also

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you could just waste the things so hard no ?

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like

glass mortar
vivid vessel
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say i roll on a boss and then i drop the piece later

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like everytime you roll on a boss the next roll has more value

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cause you reduce the pool

random stirrup
vivid vessel
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but then you kinda cuck yourself if you get it another way

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and you wasted your rolls now

random stirrup
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it removes it from the pool

glass mortar
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what

glass mortar
random stirrup
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oh that

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i just mean you lootcouncil request the shit pieces you don't need in farm

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and then your roll can eventually be guaranteed

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unlike keys you can't get those items on myth track except from vault

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raid you can accumulate them passively

keen belfry
random stirrup
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yes

keen belfry
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not terrible gamba then

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ive been asking for deterministic ways to get loot by middle of season for awhile

random stirrup
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i mean look at this bro, you only get 2 tries a week omegalul

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glass mortar
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i misread the entire sentence because no comma i think

keen belfry
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thats basically what this is right?

random stirrup
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you could miss for an entire month

glass mortar
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i thought u meant u could farm the items you dont want from raid like, the dungeon items

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mbmb

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it seems like a cute thing to try anyway

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will definitly take some tinkering

keen belfry
gaunt phoenix
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back in my day bonus rolls could get you nothing the entire tier

keen belfry
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or did i mis sthat

random stirrup
pastel cedar
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Bring back corruptions

vivid vessel
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i think the vendor was a better solution

glass mortar
vivid vessel
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what im thinking rn is

glass mortar
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the kids r so spoiled now a day

pastel cedar
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Let me P2w this shit

vivid vessel
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say i need an item from boss A and an item from boss B

keen belfry
vivid vessel
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i spend a few weeks rolling on boss A but i eventually end up getting my item in vauylt anyway

upper hawk
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you need an item from boss A and an item from boss B

vivid vessel
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i wasted all the things on boss A and now i gotta do it again on boss B

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to deplete the loot pool again

random stirrup
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yes

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well i think it would be dumb to use your rolls unless it was near guaranteed to get what u want from raid was my point

glass mortar
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i imagine if theres bosses with items u giga want that ud spend dinar on you would have the items way earlier with this system then dinar tho

vivid vessel
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at least with vendor you just directly spend in an item whenever you have the currency

glass mortar
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dinar usually dont kick in until towards the end of the season no?

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unless its a fake season

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u have this from week 1

vivid vessel
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idk

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maybe

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maybe not

upper hawk
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this starts in week 1?

vivid vessel
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i mean its 12.0.5

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so

jolly geyser
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what currency does the bonus roll need? Im blind

upper hawk
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it's not a boost thing at the end?

vivid vessel
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its not from the start :D

glass mortar
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week 1 12.0.5 sorry

cinder relic
pastel cedar
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Dinar is usually something they do in the last season to hold us over until next expac

glass mortar
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i assume it will just be on entry into future raid tiers

keen belfry
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really all i care about is:
as we are approaching max ilvl i have felt like i should have a way to have my bis items on bis track. this seems to accomplish that which i love, idc if id ont get my bis item in the first month or 2. but eventually i will get it

glass mortar
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if its halfway thru each season again then yea its worse then dinar prob

vivid vessel
random stirrup
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like if a boss has 5 items, wait until you get 3-4 pieces from lootcouncil/dead vaults and then spend a token

glass mortar
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for the pure raiders

pastel cedar
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Did they do the turbo every season?

vivid vessel
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from s2 ye

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s1 i dont remember

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what happened in s1

random stirrup
vivid vessel
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i think we had dinars but no turbo boost or smth

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idk

random stirrup
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its just a bit gamba if you're looking for specific things

vivid vessel
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i think dinars are just better

pastel cedar
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So you spend bonus rolls and get nothing

vivid vessel
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with this you have a lot of ways to just waste the things the whole tier

pastel cedar
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Sounds fun I like torture

vivid vessel
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while with dinars you spend them into actual items

cinder relic
stoic topaz
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Do we have any idea what our best embellishments will end up being?

random stirrup
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also rip sending your key alt into a single 6/8M alt run and dinaring all the good stuff

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gonna need multiple runs sadge

cinder relic
pastel cedar
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Also peep the ptr notes for class changes and ctrl + F rogue

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0/0

keen belfry
vivid vessel
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you dont even know if you get this earlier tho

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and again i think it can be very frustrating

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cause you are kinda just buying an item piece by piece over a few weeks right

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but then if you get the item in vault

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you wasted the pieces

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you get me

keen belfry
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yes but like

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thats suffering from success at that point

vivid vessel
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no ?

random stirrup
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you maybe want to save them if you want raid items from a couple bosses

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like save up 6 and go spend on 3 diff bosses once you've gotten some items from the pool out of the way

keen belfry
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wait does LOOTING the item remove it from the pool?

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like unrelated to rolling on it?

random stirrup
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hmm i assumed so

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i guess it isnt clear

vivid vessel
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awang, i need 2 items right, one from boss A one from boss B, i will take a few weeks depleting loot pool from boss A but then i end up getting it in vault, i now need to deplete loot pool from boss B
before i would have spent a few week holding onto my currency till i have enough to buy either boss A or boss B item, if i get boss A item from vault during that it didnt matter i would buy the other item then

vivid vessel
random stirrup
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like how do you interpret this "After receiving an item in this way, it is removed from that loot pool until all eligible items have been obtained on a per-difficulty basis. For example, receiving the Ranger-Captain’s Iridescent Insignia trinket from the Crown of the Cosmos encounter in the Voidspire on Normal difficulty will not remove it from consideration on Heroic or Mythic difficulty. "

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it says "IN THIS WAY"

vivid vessel
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yes so rolling ?

random stirrup
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for the first one, but isn't specific for the second sentence

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why would it give you something you already have

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seems like it would feel real bad

vivid vessel
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i mean

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wow works like that so

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i dont see why not

nova sinew
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rip raid buyers ig

random stirrup
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real

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ye my sales gold just went down the drain

nova sinew
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no more one and done dinar sales

random stirrup
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or we gonna rinse them for all they're worth as they miss bonus roll 4 times in a row omegalul

nova sinew
vivid vessel
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since only one guy gets all the loot

random stirrup
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idk it would check ur inventory/bank like it does for ilvl achievement

vivid vessel
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ok but this happens at roll time

random stirrup
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sadge wait you're right

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gg

glass mortar
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i think it probably only removes from the pool if it is rolled by the thing

vivid vessel
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so what you would hold it till you get traded the gear idk

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it wont work that way

keen belfry
glass mortar
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this system already seems too strong compared to systems blizzard has given us

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like this is just on its face

vivid vessel
glass mortar
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a guarenteed mythic ilvl item, from any boss in the game

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every week

vivid vessel
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with vendor its not rng

glass mortar
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old bonus rolls were a chance

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hell this could be 2 items

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if this is available in the early season

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ur probably not even targeting specific items with it

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just slots

random stirrup
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it is 2 items from keys

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always

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does seem strong

vivid vessel
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when is .0.5 patches tho

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usually ?

glass mortar
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idk if there is any usual time period

keen belfry
glass mortar
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could be shortly after race

keen belfry
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right?

glass mortar
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could be halfway thru the season

vivid vessel
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no?

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only if you get good rng

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if you get bad rng you wasted all your dinars

random stirrup
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idk but my main was full gear after 1 dinar in tww3

vivid vessel
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they were useless

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thats my point

keen belfry
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if its slower than dinar system theni agree its bad

random stirrup
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so maybe idc about it

vivid vessel
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awang

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how is my explanation not clear

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you have a chance to waste all your dinars

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all

keen belfry
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bro u were tubro bis week 2 last season

vivid vessel
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if you just loot the item you were trying to fish for in vault or whtever

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thats not my point

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idc

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i always will have more gear than you

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its not even relevant for me

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im biss week 1

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every season

glass mortar
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the system that is meant to be a semi BLP to let you get ur bis items gets largely wasted if you just received ur bis item in vault?

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say it aint so

vivid vessel
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compared to vendor

glass mortar
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i think u thought dinar and this is meant for stuff blizzard doesnt mean it for

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idk

vivid vessel
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that we had all of tww

keen belfry
vivid vessel
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this is gonna feel very bad if you spend your entire tier just wasting your coins into things that you get in vault instead of buying with dinar like you did in tww

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idk

glass mortar
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the point of "if you just loot the item you wanted it makes this bad" applies to every loot system and crafted gear and everything in the game

keen belfry
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wherte before u didnt

glass mortar
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idk if i accept it as a criticism of this system

vivid vessel
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its one a week

keen belfry
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it seems lioke we will have fuck ton of rolls

glass mortar
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I had 1 dinar i never used in s3

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cause i had all my items

vivid vessel
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you need to deplete 4 per boss

glass mortar
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what an awful system

keen belfry
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yeah i wasted dinars too

glass mortar
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like i get the criticism

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ur just mad at how loot works in wow tho or, i dont think thats really a criticism of this system

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every blp/backup loot system theyve ever made

vivid vessel
glass mortar
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gets made irrelevant if u get ur item in the vault

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i mean u dont need to

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u could hold them until the last month of the raid season if u wanted to

vivid vessel
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i think dinar systems are just better

glass mortar
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like dinars

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to know if u needed to buy the item

vivid vessel
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what

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no

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thats not my point

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lol

glass mortar
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then just go and kill the boss 4 times in a row and spend all ur rolls to guarentee the itme

vivid vessel
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ah true i guess

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well

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you prolly cant do that

glass mortar
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assuming it works like old bonus rolls

vivid vessel
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you need to kill the boss

glass mortar
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they didnt care if u were locked

vivid vessel
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and roll

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opnce

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each time

glass mortar
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but yea mythic lockout

vivid vessel
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no ?

glass mortar
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wont work for raid

vivid vessel
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ok so

glass mortar
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but thats a mythic lockout problem!!!!

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we already hate that dont we

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old rolls didnt care if u werent loot elligible for a boss (u had already looted that week) u could rekill to spam just the roll iirc

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but thats obviously irrelevant for mythic raid

random stirrup
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ye I was also thinking to wait and spam roll it in one week but mythic lockout xd

vivid vessel
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ye so my point is that you are likely of wasting 4 weeks rolling on a boss but getting it in vault

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while with dinars you just buy item so you never waste currency

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it doesnt feel bad

random stirrup
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i think weran is right though that's it more a lockout problem

vivid vessel
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i mean what

random stirrup
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because you can just pool currency and spam tf out of it in keys

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once you have enough to guarantee

vivid vessel
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i guess

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but

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i mean

keen belfry
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i just see it as chance i get good gear earlier than nromal idk

random stirrup
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and spending a month to do so isn't even crazy when dinars took 3 weeks to get

keen belfry
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unless we dont have enough and legit waste them and miss bis gear cause of it, i dont see zacs point

random stirrup
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and you could highroll it on first currency and then its like u had a one week dinar

vivid vessel
random stirrup
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which you can still replicate in keys

vivid vessel
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there you maybe just waste your currency for 3 weeks

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ok

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i only spend it in keys

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you are right

glass mortar
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this is of course assuming u r trying to use this system just to get ur bis items faster

vivid vessel
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(9 weeks for 1 keys)

glass mortar
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and not using it to just massively increase how quickly u gear up

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2 guarenteed myth track dungeo item drops from ur choice of bosses in m+

random stirrup
glass mortar
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or 1 myth raid item guarenteed in addition to ur normal loot

random stirrup
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4-5

glass mortar
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from the moment this system turns on

vivid vessel
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thats the only way iut make sense

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you go on a boss you looted nothing

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and roll

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and just gear up

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and you use loot council

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aah

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i see

keen belfry
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am i crazy or are we just disregarding thta every roll increases the chance u get the item

jolly geyser
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They should only allow bonus rolls if you have finished Midnight loremaster

glass mortar
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like i feel like this probably is meant to hit in middle of the season

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cause otherwise... it seems pretty op for gearing no?

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even if its not getting u the perfect item

vivid vessel
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this is just op for actual loot council guilds actually

glass mortar
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yea

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every1 rolls then u can minmax loot even harder

random stirrup
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if you are rerolling a key guy you just pool like 8 currency for the dungeon where ur bis trinket drops or whatever and then go spam 8 +10s and get 8 myth track pieces + bis trinket omegalul

glass mortar
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based on waht their bonus rolls got

vivid vessel
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you just ask everyone to loot on the bosses they miss pieces and then you gear everyone up with loot council

west ridge
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@vivid vessel did you find a replacement for health bar above char and out of melee range weakauras?

formal pawn
vivid vessel
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health bar idk

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i didnt care much about that weak aura

vivid vessel
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for actual guilds

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like high end raiding guilds

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that reclear

random stirrup
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i dont think its gonna start week 1 tho

keen belfry
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is it good for my shit guild zac

glass mortar
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yea the more i read it its just too much loot

random stirrup
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surely it only starts once done prog

vivid vessel
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can actually abuse it to gear up everyone super fast

glass mortar
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it probably kicks on a bit into the season

keen belfry
glass mortar
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for blizzard*

vivid vessel
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but bad

glass mortar
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its too much loot for blizzard

vivid vessel
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?

glass mortar
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they arent this nice

random stirrup
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imo

jolly geyser
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bonus rolls dont always give gear, 2x gold inc

glass mortar
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these ones do

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it says on the post

random stirrup
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unless ur on a fresh key character but then ur still getting griefed by not being able to dinar all ur raid gear after 1 alt run

jolly geyser
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oh, I should read

glass mortar
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u spend it and u receive an item, not a chance at it

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man imagine if we'd gotten the original bonus roll system back

jolly geyser
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thats nice

glass mortar
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zac would be crashing out

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frfr

keen belfry
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the timing/amount completely changes these rolls for me, cause if we get them late they are piss. but if we get them early they are bis

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nop inbtween

rancid silo
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They will 100% be late

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lmao

jolly geyser
random stirrup
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if you want to gear an alt 5 weeks after .5 to do some late push stuff you can just get 10 pieces of myth track gear from +10s and be full geared in one week

keen belfry
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cause ithink rolling a bis trinket early in the season would be so fun

random stirrup
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that part will be crazy

glass mortar
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ya

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for alt catchup in m+

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it seems pretty good

keen belfry
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i mean alt lketchup is sick

glass mortar
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but we will see

random stirrup
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the limit increases by 2 a week

keen belfry
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or can u explain why its op for alts i guess