outlaw

[fiery pendant]

It’s my only complaint atm with the specs current design

[keen belfry]

i have come more around to this outlaw just by accepting its piss, its very somewhat near kinda close ish to being good

[uncut ginkgo]

mastery needs to be changed

[keen belfry]

if they address charges, haste stuff/energy stuff, and something like BF/AR not ticking in true stealth (so u can ar and restealth to a new pack and have ar still) it would be a good spec

and our capstones need love

4 of them are actual nothing burgers

[inland meteor]

this will all get added next balance patch worry not

[uncut ginkgo]

even though fate is the higher of the 2 trees, I still feel tricks does better

[copper radish]

Are they doing 3 raids each season for this xpack or will the next season just have 1 raid

[vivid vessel]

hopefully only one

this 3 raid thing is ass

its just one raid but weird

how annoying !

[copper radish]

One raid time gated lol

[vivid vessel]

fr fr

[copper radish]

Yk what would be funny? If they go surprise here is season 4 and it’s just like shadowlands fated season

Now go re run the 9 raids 😂

[humble pulsar]

!addons

[desert tendon]

I thought it would be released throughout the season

Isnt it Just more travel between raids now if they release it all at once?

[copper radish]

Aren’t the first 2 out together then March a few weeks after?

[desert tendon]

How would I know

Last time i played gallywix hof wasnt even closed

[copper radish]

Just checked. First two march 17 this Tuesday then March is out on March 31

[mystic berry]

"Instead of having all the bosses at the same instance, we gonna take a couple of them and put them the fuck away from where you are"

Idk why

[light falcon]

Does anyone have a vod/video of a high end player doing a m0 or m+ on beta as outlaw?

The ones im finding are youtube i dont think the players are very informed

[hushed matrix]

why are they increasing the auto dmg on every meele?!

[desert tendon]

but so, next question, how will hof be done?

since we never had hof and multiple raids in a tier ever

[copper radish]

🤷‍♂️

One for each raid?

[glass mortar]

why wuld it not just be one for each raid

is there not a CE for each raid

[desert tendon]

idk you tell me

that s true about CE, i forgot it existed for a moment

[glass mortar]

censi the elitist frfr

[desert tendon]

so basically what they re doing is

A raid with Delayed content in it?

it s not like it's 3x8 raids

[copper radish]

Of the first two one is 6 bosses the other is 1. Then March is 2 bosses

[desert tendon]

Y'a 9 bosses aka a normal raid, between 7 and 10 is pretty much what they ve done for years

So it's indeed a raid with timegated bosses

intresting

[honest sparrow]

It could be pretty nice for lower wr guilds which can now still get a weekly raid vaults while not having to reclear if they want to extent for later bosses. Every one who wants can just go pug a few early bosses

[keen belfry]

are there going tobe 3 CEs this tier?

[vivid vessel]

sounds like a good argument to remove mythic lockout so its like hc ?

kekw

[honest sparrow]

Maybe its the same with charges instead of prep for adr. Instead of doing it right they choose a weird middle path

[vivid vessel]

:D

[frail veldt]

PLEASE

PLEASE

the mythic lockout system is so aids

[still matrix]

bro this trinket gives basically a perma 93 agi, only stacks up to 3x from what I can see?

isnt it kind of ass if its only 93 agi

why sims so high

[random stirrup]

would you rather have 90 mastery and 90-270 agi or 90 agi and a 100 crit proc that's sometimes active

[still matrix]

it doesnt go as high as 270 agi, 3 stacks is like 90 so 90 mastery + 90 agi

the rep trinket idek, it doesnt sim correctly apparently but the proc seems good

[random stirrup]

well, still overall just gives a lot of stat iirc

[still matrix]

ye maybe thats why sims so well

[random stirrup]

even if its mastery

[still matrix]

probz decent for outlaw if its

just perma up

[mystic berry]

We starve for reps here

[still matrix]

I didnt realise mastery isnt actually that bad

thought was dog doo doo

[keen belfry]

i vish there was a sick way to play aroound palmed bullets cuz

if u could choose and go into AR with 5 stacks of palmed bullets every time it feels quite sick

[mystic berry]

tracking palm dont work?

[keen belfry]

it do but its not like u can choose to go in at 5 without either not disaptching or not pressing ar

[glass mortar]

u could if u had 2 charges of ar

💅

anyway

(i dont think u would if u did anyway but you could )

[crisp elm]

as of rn fb>trickster ffor m0 ya?

[rustic slate]

you guys got some recommendations for combo bar addons?

[crisp elm]

wangbar

[mystic berry]

ye

[crisp elm]

tyty

[river wing]

it assumes you actually pick up the charges without fail, it's not an entirely passive trinket, you have to move into souls to pick them up

[copper radish]

I wonder what this channel would be like if that’s on the notes for the next tuning LMAO

[glass mortar]

same odds of us all secretly being millionaires

[copper radish]

Brb gonna buy a mega millions ticket

[glass mortar]

so we'd be sipping champaign and talking about the next outlaw rogue yaht trip

(zeross is the one bankrolling it)

😎

[copper radish]

In classic some dude in my guild was bragging about hitting it big on crypto and the next day he never logged in again

[glass mortar]

many such cases

[still matrix]

they seem pretty easy to do

it maxes at 3 stacks and lasts an entire minute

[still matrix]

trickster is better for 0s? i need to test

thought it was worse

[subtle void]

yo guys is there an addon for ToT to put the tank perma

[glass mortar]

that thing u responded to is saying fb is better

[dark ember]

Anecdotally I'm getting better performance from trickster, couldn't explain why

[glass mortar]

that is a greater then sign

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[glass mortar]

oh we dont have the tricks addon in this list

is it sketchty or feels like it would be a good add? @gaunt phoenix

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[crisp elm]

just make mouseover kb?

[glass mortar]

there u go

feels weird that its not in the big list tho

[still matrix]

oh yer lol

[keen belfry]

why make mousover when u can press one button while doing rotation!

[crisp elm]

same thing.. kinda

but ya prob better for addon lol

[tropic zephyr]

shiny bara

[waxen scarab]

is there a macro or addon for insta tricks on tank?

[light falcon]

yeaaah just tryna see the real gameplay

i cba anymore, im fine if im just doing moron keys if im having fun on the spec

[glass mortar]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[lime lake]

where

i need

[obsidian karma]

yo, my sims seem super wack, in-game im dealing much lower dmg without the crucible trinket even tho sims tell me to never use it how we feeling, should I replace any of these with the crucible?

[waxen scarab]

are we crafting something this week?

[lime lake]

that trinket doesnt function properly in rogue sims afaik

[obsidian karma]

so the trinket is actually good?

[lime lake]

seems decent

[glass mortar]

we have no clue how it is numerically but its felt good

[waxen scarab]

how to use this addon

[glass mortar]

no clue i just use the priest PI macro for mine

[subtle void]

thyanks guys for the reply huge

[twin steeple]

It has description..

[waxen scarab]

kl zg

[glass mortar]

i was gunna say this seems pretty straightforward

[twin steeple]

Macro:

/click TankMDButton1

[glass mortar]

did it not work?

[waxen scarab]

it did thx

[glass mortar]

👍

[crisp elm]

restless blades doesnt interact w prep right?

[glass mortar]

ye

[crisp elm]

sadge would be major if it did

[glass mortar]

it wouldnt really make sense

[crisp elm]

more uptime ar tho

[glass mortar]

the ability is supposed to be similar to a second charge of AR . Its just turbo clunky

its not supposed to significantly boost ur AR uptime

[crisp elm]

ye thats fair

[glass mortar]

if ur looking for changes that involve that ur gunna be sad for awhile

but ye it would be nice

[crisp elm]

convolute everthing

nah was just looking into st build and saw we ran it

lil tc question

any rules w it? assume get on cd as quick as possible?

[glass mortar]

well the optimal usage in a vacuum would be to use it as close to on cd as possible while using it as closely to an AR usage as possible to maximize the cdr it grants

idk what exact duration left on AR cd the apl is using tho

the FaQ rule is a little wishy washy

the most realistic usage if we actually go prep for a raid fight is to ensure you have AR on an important moment of the fight

meaning you probably arent even using it more then 1 time that fight

but barring that it would be nearly on cd yea

[crisp elm]

makes sense, tysm

[glass mortar]

thankfully even minmaxed in sims its value is not very high

i think it was ~3% or so

so not using it the minmax way (close to on cd) doesnt cost much

[merry elk]

Good evening I got a question. Atm didn't do my m0s for this week only preys, sitting at 238 ilvl decent gear, nothing amazing~18% haste.I simmed my character patchwerk, 5 min, single target and I do around 50.5k dps, as outlaw. As sub I do around 44,5k dps. I'm a pvper, i'm not rly good at this, trying to play pve with my friends this season. I also have to mention that i'm ALOT better at sub than at outlaw but i'm willing to learn it anew, especially if it's that much better. So... xd... outlaw or sub? How do they fair in m+ aswell? Thank you!

[vivid vessel]

no one knows !

[glass mortar]

we have no clue

tuning is kinda wack rn and actual tuning isnt happening until the 17th

so any answer we had right now likely wouldnt be accurate in a week when the real content comes out anyway

best we can give u is unless ur playing at the HoF level or pushing for title in m+, the one you like best will be viable for all the content you do... most likely

its possible one of the specs is tuned so bad ur trolling playing it (outlaw s3 lulw) but that doesnt happen all that often

[crisp elm]

whatever u like more, sub is a snoozefest but just my opinion

what're yall using for buffs, etc? arcui decent but becoming a pain testing around hero talents and changing buffs around

[random stirrup]

sims aren't the game, too early to say for certain what is best

[vivid vessel]

(sub)

[stuck magnet]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[fair topaz]

so i got sent this screenshot and was told outlaws st is good this season. is there a way to see how the missing specs are performing or is this everything known at the moment?

[vivid vessel]

just so you know

outlaw alwyas sims high

[toxic gate]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[still matrix]

legit outlaw always sims high st

[toxic gate]

there are macros worth using? just giving a little play to outlaw, seeing how it feels

[vivid vessel]

@ cursor grapple

thats about it

[toxic gate]

ok, so weird was leveling as sub and basically in a coma and then came to look at outlaw and felt alive again ... but also forgot how to press more than 2 buttons

[fair topaz]

so the other specs might be better than outlaw depending on encounter design etc?

[vivid vessel]

of course

[glass mortar]

zac remember s3 DF

when outlaw was the highest simmin spec in the game by a cute margin

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

what was the order of specs played in that raid again

[vivid vessel]

i member

[glass mortar]

was it sin > sub > law

[vivid vessel]

sub

[glass mortar]

or sub > sin > law

yea

[vivid vessel]

cause 3 last bosses were super good for sub

rest of the bosses assa i think

i think sub got buffed

early on

or smth

[glass mortar]

hopefully raid isnt too unfavorable for us

[mighty pivot]

you don't have to go that far back, tww s3 had outlaw simming toe to toe with bm

[vivid vessel]

habve you seen the game on steam

that let you do the raid

[glass mortar]

do u mean s2

or was bm bad s3

[vivid vessel]

s3?

no way lol

[glass mortar]

maybe i missed the meme

[mighty pivot]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW3_Raid.html

[glass mortar]

outlaw legit the worst spec of the decade in s3 tww so

oh so bm was meh

and law was meh in sims

ye sounds about right

[wide zinc]

hey, what M+ plater profiles are people using for midnight? Previously used VesperalTV with coloured bars, is this still the best or any better recommendations? (kick tracking/prio, etc?) - DPS/Tank player - Thanks!

[tulip crater]

Hi guys new here to the disc so sorry if it’s been asked already but is outlaw in a good spot for midnight?

[lime lake]

[glass mortar]

wont know until raid and real content comes out

and tuning happens

[vivid vessel]

i guess it somewhat ressemble vagly

[glass mortar]

toolkit wise it has the worst toolkit its had in legit 10 years so

[vivid vessel]

other than hunter

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

but hunter got buffed i thought no

[glass mortar]

damage wise who knows

[vivid vessel]

• they are always sandbagging

[tulip crater]

Oh okay yeah I was enjoying it playing it I was switching back and forth between outlaw and sub I kinda enjoyed outlaw a bit more but idk how they do against each other once geared

[glass mortar]

neither does anyone else so its just a wait and see angle

theres no secret method to knowing what spec will end up good unfortunatly

well i mean if ur gunna gamble and use historical precedent its not outlaw, but the future is unwritten!

and gambling is meant for outlaw players so

[vivid vessel]

low rezz rtb icon noob

[tulip crater]

This is true lol hahaha thanks man! And love the profile pic btw

[glass mortar]

ty

[vivid vessel]

np

[glass mortar]

zac my wow friends recently discovered my poor mans dinner habbits and they roasted me more then ur microwave pasta roasts

[fallow hinge]

explain these habits

[glass mortar]

well when im hungry and i havent shopped and cant order out for dinner (so basically all the time now a day) i just wanna make myself something quick and cheap and not awful for ur health

so several years ago i discovered peanut butter with honey on an eggo sandwich

and thats what im eating for dinner rn

😎

[vivid vessel]

not awful for ur health

[fallow hinge]

I don't like peanut butter OR honey so that doesn't sound appetising

but do you boo

[vivid vessel]

and its just eating stragiht sugar

[glass mortar]

what

[fallow hinge]

we all gotta sustenance

[glass mortar]

its like 15g of sugar from honey

PB has none

eggos have another 15g of carbs maybe

[jolly geyser]

dont like honey?

[fallow hinge]

some pb has tons

[glass mortar]

oh yea true

to be clear its extra chunky all natty pb

the ingrediants are salt and peanuts

not skippy or that nonsense

[fallow hinge]

I don't mind the taste of it in small quantities or as like an accent

but I don't like the viscosity of it and the taste gets overpowering

[jolly geyser]

[fallow hinge]

like I love honey glazed gammon as long as it's not too much honey

[jolly geyser]

ye I dont eat like a spoon of it or something

[fallow hinge]

but that's just because of how science works with sweet + salty

[glass mortar]

ye thats why PB+H is my go to

i do it on bread too but eggos last longer

and they fit on my cute teeny tiny side plates

[fallow hinge]

ur a cute teeny tiny side plate

[glass mortar]

no u

😠

[fallow hinge]

no u infinity

[glass mortar]

fuk

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/197556285267378177/1167626514012065873/caption-6-1.gif

[fallow hinge]

or, to say it with more pizzazz

♾️

[fallow hinge]

Honestly I've been hoping the weight of ME shall crush my sins

not really been working out so far

[glass mortar]

true true. let me know if it does, then let me know how to do it

[fallow hinge]

step 1: apply for weight loss treatment with the NHS

step 2: get told you're not overweight enough despite being clinically obese

step 3: gain more weight to become eligible for treatment?

step 4: MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

[glass mortar]

hmm have u tried replacing step 4 with: profit

maybe that will work

i think ur step 3 has too much thinking in it

[fallow hinge]

like, the nhs is trying to save money by not solving the issue that keeps bringing me back to them because I'm not yet a danger to stairs everywhere?

[glass mortar]

im surprised its so limited for u guys over there

[fallow hinge]

"yes, we'll save money on this treatment by spending 4x the amount over twice the period"

[amber forum]

Hello, I have a question about the BtE rule and its reset. Is it better to use it with more CP's or use it when you have more Zero In charges?

[glass mortar]

over here we already have hundreds of jank clinics that connect u with a doctor willing to write u a prescription for it regardless of ur condition popping up everywhere

[glass mortar]

you build to 6+ to cast BtE

doesnt matter if it came off cd or u got an ace proc

if ur not at 6+ you build

[fallow hinge]

Mounjaro is BMI 40+ with 2 comorbidity diagnoses like diabetes

clinically obese is what, 30+?

always big bte boom boom

[amber forum]

Okay, thanks! ❤️

[fallow hinge]

[digital gale]

hi guys, quick question: Still no viable HO build?

[mighty pivot]

HO needs some help yes

[fallow hinge]

like, professional help?

[mighty pivot]

preferably from a class dev with a pulse

[fallow hinge]

Realz ded?

[mighty pivot]

no realz gave up on outlaw

[fallow hinge]

understandable

[mighty pivot]

so we don't know who's in charge anymore. for all we know it could be popo's dakimakura making all the decisions

[wintry solar]

Makes sense, sub was his favorite spec

[fallow hinge]

that sentence sure did have words in

[wintry solar]

Don't mind him, he's just a fan of mine

[glass mortar]

i think popos dakimakura would make great decisions about outlaw 🥰

so it cant be that

[fallow hinge]

step 1: remove HO
step 2: replace all melee buttons with pistole

step 3: pew

[glass mortar]

kerchoo

[mighty pivot]

step 3: make PS hit random targets

[fallow hinge]

outlaw next 25yd spec

[glass mortar]

kspree was onto something

these ancient pirate style pistols were notoriously inaccurate at any serious range

every FtH shot now hits a random target

[mighty pivot]

I want an ability that puts you in sniper mode like those WQs

[glass mortar]

[wintry solar]

They should give us restless crew back so that the sub population dies and every raid and key HAS to have an outlaw and blizz can go "wow everyone loves outlaw for some reason"

[glass mortar]

BtE is an actual bullet that just hits the first target in a line

[mighty pivot]

TLT will have bullet drop

[glass mortar]

would line up with it being the only pistol attack we have with an actual projectile now

[fallow hinge]

backflip into the air, hover, click the targets you wanna lock on, press button again to execute the attack

[glass mortar]

for whatever reason

[wintry solar]

But will it have height over bore?

That's prolly after

[glass mortar]

oh its becuase they updated the animation isnt it

[mighty pivot]

sorry popo that was my limit when it comes to gun knowledge, my first gift as a toddler wasn't a glock19

[glass mortar]

i bet if they ever tried to do that to PS it would also get some projectiles

[wintry solar]

Smh

[fallow hinge]

just bring monster hunter lbg in and make that outlaw's new identity :3

[wintry solar]

The sights are higher than the barrel so you take that into account at certain distances

[glass mortar]

why dont they just put the sights at the same height as the barrel then?

[wintry solar]

Man I love fish sandwiches

[glass mortar]

smh i should make a gun

[wintry solar]

Dude

Wth

You're so right

[glass mortar]

right????

[mighty pivot]

but that's why sights are adjustable, no?

[lime lake]

the bullet travels in an arc, you adjust the sight so its dead on at one range and at others it'll be off

[wintry solar]

Not always

[fallow hinge]

outlaw minigame, gotta do one of those "land in the green" sliding gauge things to readjust your sight to enable criticals at range

[wintry solar]

and we call it...

ZERO IN

[buoyant ridge]

i have a question for y'all - RaidBots is still telling me that the Reshii Wraps are better than anything that's dropped so far (220 ilvl and up) - is that right or a bug? should I just take a higher ilvl? -- TIA

[lime lake]

cloak stronk

[fathom bramble]

I believe the wraps are still not nerfed yet so it should be accurate to keep wearing them if the sim says so

definitely keep some cloaks on standby though since it is expected that the wraps are nerfed at some point

[vivid vessel]

but more ilvl is more fun

so

[lime lake]

might be the most real thing ive ever seen zac say

[wintry solar]

I broke my shackles knowing it wasnt nerfed

[buoyant ridge]

that's exactly waht I'm doing ...storing a few cloak options expecting a nerf - that's what I was hoping was happening and that i wasn't just losing my marbles ......again

[vivid vessel]

i ditched the ugly cloak bro

im rocking good ilvl cloak

its pretty

[buoyant ridge]

lmfao - higher numbers are always better right? just like flamejobs make cars go faster lmfao

[vivid vessel]

how would i know its higher number if i dont sim tho

there is no real content

so no point simming

in my humble opinion

very humble

[glass mortar]

same zac

i ditched all my old ilvl stuff, new expac new gear hello?

solo said something like old rings are still better if they have high haste/good stats and yada yada but all i know is higher ilvl = bigger number

thats the way the game is supposed to work right

😠

[lime lake]

[glass mortar]

and 60 ilvls is an absurdly big number when the ilvl of the items is only like 240 so

it must be a biiiiiiig increase

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[slim hare]

ty still wa command x)

[glass mortar]

never 4get

until zacauras come out

then we can rename the command

[slim hare]

zacauras would be so chad

[quiet ore]

potentially better for damage, mind you - the secondary scaling on rings is... bad. The stamina scaling, though, is huge.

[glass mortar]

ye i know, that was kinda my point

i get that ilvl will not always be king

i think u did something wrong when 25% of the entire item level of the item

is not an upgrade tho

tis usually happens at the start of a squish and mostly fixes itself towards mid expac tho

[copper radish]

Just roll w the vibez

[quiet ore]

I thought I was crazy when I replaced my 167 crafted ring with a 233 crafted ring with the same stats and only got 15 more of each stat, but nearly double the stam. Like... wat.

[glass mortar]

mhm

so glad the scaling made it so this rune i spent 100k on to have for half a season gives 2 agi now

last expac the prior expacs rune was giving like 0.5% primaries or some meme but at least it was real

now its like 0.1% lul

[zinc briar]

why are we using kir?

[glass mortar]

cause its the best capstone

which is a very low bar right now to be clear

all our capstones r pretty weak

[zinc briar]

kir is 100% useless

[glass mortar]

wat

its an rng normalizer

it decreased your 1 buff uptime

thats how u can think about it

[slim hare]

so glad the rune from DF gives 6

seems appropriate

[zinc briar]

and loaded dice if we just roll one buff

dont understand the point

[slim hare]

the point is to have better than 1 buff

almost all the time

[glass mortar]

i dont understand the question

loaded dice and KiR both work to reduce 1 buff uptime drastically

[zinc briar]

but we get the red buff with loaded up sometimes

[glass mortar]

the red buff is good

[slim hare]

red is double

[glass mortar]

u dont want the purple

[slim hare]

not one

[stone frost]

Does "no AoE stop at all" mean we have uncapped aoe again?

[glass mortar]

no

[stone frost]

What's it mean sire, plz do tell

[glass mortar]

it means we have no aoe cc to interupt aoe packs

because blind no longer aoes

[stone frost]

Oh....sick

[glass mortar]

all our CC is single target only

yup pretty sick

😩

[stone frost]

Even less utility for M+/raids

[slim hare]

means damage is shit , utility is shitier

[zinc briar]

wait, purple is not the 2nd best?

hahahahaha

[glass mortar]

purple is 1 buff...

[stone frost]

Can't wait till outlaw gets nerfed next week for no reason

[slim hare]

purple is the worst one

yeah

[zinc briar]

lol im drunk

[slim hare]

nerf after seeing it rocks in heroic week ?

[zinc briar]

i have to read them

[glass mortar]

its funny u mention loaded because loaded dice is the strongest talent in the tree now

[slim hare]

never happend before

[glass mortar]

a fun fact solo found while doing the sims

but kir is not that impactful now yea, its not like TWW where u were focused on it and tracking ur CtO procs to try to get a nice long big buff, its more of an RNG reducer now

[stone frost]

Is there a consensus on which build is performing best in mythics so far? I feel like outlaw is okay but I almost never see other rogues so my only other example is a sin rogue shredding early on but that's unreliable

[gaunt phoenix]

technically the 1st point in fan the hammer is the strongest talent

[glass mortar]

ok well me when i lie i guess

[stone frost]

I'm assuming cuz the 20% applies to ANY stage of the rolls right?

[glass mortar]

that and 1 buff outlaw just does not work very well

[gaunt phoenix]

loaded / deeper / ruthlessness / flourish / 2nd point in fth is close 2nd

[glass mortar]

if u try to play with 1 buff for any significant amount of time u will drain all ur tea charges and cry after like 30 seconds

[stone frost]

1 buff feels just as bad as the previous version of 1 buff

[glass mortar]

mhm

[slim hare]

for current content i think sub is better just cause of damage profile. but for M+ i don't know what will be good balance will happen too

[stone frost]

It's insane how much we rely on tea

Do we need like 40% haste to not worry about energy lol

[cinder relic]

Cuz it gives us more buff uptime

[cinder relic]

You need like, 20% and haste is like, badluck protection

[zinc briar]

yeah seems that we do the same dmg with best and worst rolls

[stone frost]

I just got to 21% yday

[cinder relic]

You think we do the same DPS with 1 roll and 3 roll?

[zinc briar]

seem so

[stone frost]

I feel the power jump when I hit jackpot but compared to a lot of casters we're a joke

I immediately feel the impact of 2+ rolls personally plastikmaan

[gaunt phoenix]

2 roll is about 15% ahead of 1 roll

and 3 roll is 8% ahead of that

[slim hare]

we are not bursty

[stone frost]

Yeah we're all about consistency ironically as a gambling spec lol

[glass mortar]

i mean i dont feel that much of a difference between 2 buff and 4 buff if im being honest, new jackpot is definitly a pale comparison to old gameplay feel wise

but 1 buff and any other amount is night and day

[merry elk]

what specific fish. Hi, i'm new here 🙂

[stone frost]

The burst I have on my enh sham is INSANE so I def feel the diff

[glass mortar]

idk u play with 1 buff for like 30 seconds and the specs fallen apart and its gunna take 10 minutes for ur tea to recover

[zinc briar]

15% is not that much

[stone frost]

But after that burst window enh totemic feels pretty weak

[glass mortar]

15% is a ton

but im talking about gameplay feel as well

[wintry solar]

I forgot I said that

[zinc briar]

same with my mm hunter

i do 30 times more dmg than outlaw

[wintry solar]

I actually thought I delet4ed it ant not posted it

[zinc briar]

but out of cds is boring af

[gaunt phoenix]

15% is basically 2 legendary items from shadowlands

just unequip them for fun

[slim hare]

i play sub rn got a nice dagger so no point trying to play outlaw for now

[stone frost]

I wanna try sub n sin but I need more daggz

[slim hare]

and as sub you have that cool burst before stuff die

[cinder relic]

?

[merry elk]

it's v important because it's 02:48 where I am and about to make 1 sandwish real quick and I need to know info

[stone frost]

I heard sub is really solid in aoe but very weak in ST

[slim hare]

optimisation still being found

[stone frost]

But it also sounds way more boring/simple than it used to be

[slim hare]

but it doest seem like st is super strong yeah

[wintry solar]

halibut

[stone frost]

Same with outlaw honestly

[slim hare]

i find it capable enough

[wintry solar]

silly billy

[stone frost]

Unless we hit 3 buff or higher consistently, I don't see myself keeping up with S tier casters

[slim hare]

well on packs where they have cd your not supposed to keep up

[mystic berry]

well, they are s tier for a reason

[slim hare]

but when they dont your supposed to keep destroying while they do nothing

[mystic berry]

My experience aswell

Mage mogs my damage when it has arcane surge up

unholy when it can put the four knights on

and so on

but in downtime I generally top it off

it feels like shit to be the "off cd" top damage but it is what it is I guess

[stone frost]

That's good to hear

[cinder relic]

How is "15% not a lot of damage" but outlaw being like, 5% worse than sub is "unviable"

[stone frost]

My experience with mages has been a lil diff lol. They easily sustain 100k+ aoe and 80k+ ST

[glass mortar]

nobody in current gear is sustaining 80k st

[mystic berry]

they have been getting sassy in this second week I give you that

[glass mortar]

what ur probably experiencing is boss fights lasting 1 minute and zilch because we are doing m0

[mystic berry]

it has become a bit harder to top them off

[glass mortar]

so over half the fight is lust and a quarter of it is the CD specs major cds

[stone frost]

Maybe that's just the bosses with some aoe mb

I've noticed the pure ST ones it's around 40-45k

[glass mortar]

yea thats more reasonable

and i mean im doing 100k+ in aoe depending on my rng so

sounds about right

[stone frost]

Same if the tank groups properly lol

[glass mortar]

u shuldnt be expecting to ever compete with a cd spec during its cds, especially if a pull is past 8 targets

as outlaw as a general rule, regardless of tuning

[stone frost]

True true

[glass mortar]

the game wouldnt be balanced if u could

[stone frost]

That aoe cap is quite noticable

[glass mortar]

but i know what u mean it can feel bad

[stone frost]

A lot of my dps is lost tryina interrupt important casts cuz 90% of groups don't know interrupts even exist

[glass mortar]

especially when its multiple tank specs that are mogging u on big CD aoe pulls

[torpid fiber]

this is just kinda a practice thing ngl

you shouldn't really be losing dps to interrupt

[glass mortar]

yea thatll fade anyway

[stone frost]

Only when I have to leave the aoe pack

[cursive gyro]

I mark and focus mine. If someone clips me that's on them. Guess we all gonna die.

[stone frost]

Cuz almost NO one uses interrupts

[glass mortar]

i just use the kick pad macro im ngl

[torpid fiber]

casters being away from the pack is usually a tank issue rather than a dps issue

[stone frost]

What do you mean mark?

[glass mortar]

i havent worked on unitframes at all because i cba and the default ones are so ass for tracking kicks

[cursive gyro]

Lucky charms on my focus macro

[stone frost]

Huh? Lucky charms? lol

[cursive gyro]

[stone frost]

They're magically delicious?

I just manually click their asses 🤷‍♂️

[vivid vessel]

guys

how do you escape

dummy combat

the dummy is there

im litteraly 5 screens away

and im still in combat with the guy

[glass mortar]

vanish?

[lime lake]

bro is running from a dummy

smh

[glass mortar]

nooob

[vivid vessel]

you cant

its one of these tanks guys

idk

[mystic berry]

law so shit that it cant beat a dummy

[daring yoke]

Just kill the dummy

[vivid vessel]

bro this is crazy

bro eyeing me from across the map

[stone frost]

Log out or die to him if you somehow can't vanish? I dno lol

[stone frost]

What's the kick pad macro?

[merry elk]

tank the tanking dummy for 10 s xd

[glass mortar]

a fancy tab target kick macro

basically targets the closest casting mob and kicks it then goes back to ur target without ever swapping for ur ui

[mighty pivot]

did you try running to eversong instead of staying in silvermoon? The dummy always reset when I ran out of the city

[glass mortar]

because tabs behavior was changed a long time ago to focus on casting mobs if u can believe it

its pad because there is no way of telling if its gunna target the important cast or the random frostbolt on the guy right on top of the important cast

but it sure makes my overall kicks in dungeon metric look gr8

[lime lake]

bro is being ran out of the city by a dummy aintnoway

[stone frost]

Can you point me in the direction of this lovely beautiful fantastic remarkable macro?

[glass mortar]

ugh 1 second let me get off the couch and login

[stone frost]

I feel like tab targeting has gotten worse lately lol

[mighty pivot]

that dummy is devil incarnate

[glass mortar]

i dont use tab for my normal targeting

for this it works gr8 tho

[stone frost]

That sounds wonderful

[glass mortar]

also if a pack only has 1 caster u never need to target it since anytime u hit the macro while its casting itll kick it

i might make one of these for blind as well since its ST now

[frail veldt]

oh true

gouge also

[glass mortar]

mhm

[frail veldt]

yuge

will tab target a casting mob thats out of range

[stone frost]

We should maybe not advertise this anywhere 😳

[frail veldt]

or does it prio mobs in range

[glass mortar]

#showtooltip Kick
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast [harm] Kick
/targetlasttarget

[stone frost]

❤️ ty delve

[glass mortar]

i mean its just using the basic game functionaly

[stone frost]

It is it is

[glass mortar]

people just dont know that tab prioritizes casting mobs

( ididnt know this until last expac either)

[stone frost]

And I've had macros like this throughout all my years of playing rogue specifically

[frail veldt]

same

[stone frost]

That's honestly a fantastic change

That I had no clue about

[frail veldt]

its not a change haha

[stone frost]

Oh

[frail veldt]

p sure this has been around for like a while

[glass mortar]

yea it has

but we didnt know about it in here even so

[frail veldt]

it was just kinda gate kept

[glass mortar]

its not surprising so many dont

wouldnt surprise me if tab has worked like this since shadowlands

cant remember the last time the ydid some major tab coding changes behind the scenes that they wrote about in patch notes

[stone frost]

Well I haven't played a retail xpac for more than 2 weeks since BFA so this is new for me lol

[glass mortar]

i feel like it was around then tho

[frail veldt]

I mean tab might work like this in clasisc

for all we know

[stone frost]

Hey man I JUST found out after 20+yrs of wow that the direction you face when setting hearth matters

[glass mortar]

true i could actually test this on mop servers hold up

[frail veldt]

it does?

[glass mortar]

yup

[stone frost]

YEAH lol

[mighty pivot]

never too late to learn

[frail veldt]

well matters is maybe a strong term

[glass mortar]

learned that from reddit as well when midnight came out

[vivid vessel]

skycuck spells are unsecreted now right

[stone frost]

I always just faced INTO the building and turned around and never thought anything about it

[frail veldt]

I dont think I will use that information to change anything

cba

[glass mortar]

yea i like to look my npcs in the eyes when im talking to them

[lime lake]

Ive saved dozens of seconds of my life with that trick

[stone frost]

I immediately faced out and it's not not having to turn

[lime lake]

Dozens

[stone frost]

Saves that whopping 1 second of wasted time

[mighty pivot]

is that skyriding? then yes

[frail veldt]

and you waste them typing in here

tisk tisk

[glass mortar]

its not a waste if we get to talk to you mewo

[lime lake]

[glass mortar]

🥰

[frail veldt]

lolol

[vivid vessel]

yes

[frail veldt]

LOL

instantly edited

[stone frost]

Delve I'm guessing you use that kick macro as your main kick? Or do you use 2 kicks

2 diff kicks*

[glass mortar]

i have a normal mouseover/focus/kick macro

that ive always had

[frail veldt]

2

[glass mortar]

but i do use this more then almost anything now yea

[vivid vessel]

bro my cheap shot macro is huge !

[frail veldt]

or more yeah

[glass mortar]

its just so op

[vivid vessel]

almost max char

[frail veldt]

I have normal, focus, and then the tab kick

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

for padding kicks

or anytime a pack only has 1 caster

can just turn brain off i love it

[stone frost]

Jeeez

[frail veldt]

that looks like not only a cheap shot macro

[vivid vessel]

its gouge cheap

[frail veldt]

how do you gouge from subterfuge?

[vivid vessel]

what

[frail veldt]

does that macro allow you to gouge while you have bonus bar?

or does it just try to cheap

[glass mortar]

the craziest macro tech to ever exist is still that fucking black magic raszageth macro tho

that thing was unhinged

[vivid vessel]

no the point is to cheap in stealth and gouge out of stealth wdym

[frail veldt]

yeah isnt that a problem?

cheap has a cd now

guess we dont run subt now

but I have gouge in my stealth bar

[vivid vessel]

well we dont run subt

[frail veldt]

in case I want to gouge during subt

[vivid vessel]

so

ye bro

[frail veldt]

in case of stun dr

[vivid vessel]

might happen

[frail veldt]

its more of a pvp thing

[vivid vessel]

(never)

i dont pvp

[stone frost]

I'm guessing this is all pvp related

[vivid vessel]

we wont run subt in pve ever

so

[frail veldt]

for now

[vivid vessel]

i dont see why i would care

[mighty pivot]

fuck gouge

[frail veldt]

just wait til they giga buff ambush

[vivid vessel]

they deleted every stelth interaction bud

[frail veldt]

and were forced to play ho

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

you think thatll stop them

theyve done dumber things

lets be honest

[mighty pivot]

there is a 50% ambush buff coming in a week btw

[stone frost]

I tried out that ambush proc outlaw build before the prepatch and it seemed pretty fun 🤷

But I heard it was pretty damn complicated

Never got too into it

[vivid vessel]

i need one more bind bro

[frail veldt]

out of binds psh

fake news

[vivid vessel]

oh i guess outlaw doesnt have step anymore

[frail veldt]

we lost step start of tww right?

[vivid vessel]

ye

for some reason i still have a bind for it

that i never removed

[frail veldt]

weirdo

delete that shit

[vivid vessel]

i mean bro

it is what it is

perfect tho

[stone frost]

Keep it

[vivid vessel]

i needed a third kick bind

[stone frost]

It looks nice

I miss the days where we had a 3 sec cd sprint in wod

That seemed fair

[frail veldt]

do you not use an mmo mouse?

[stuck patrol]

You mean the one that had no cd, costed energy, and removed all roots and snares from you whenever you casted it? lmao

[frail veldt]

burst of speed

[vivid vessel]

hm

[stone frost]

Yes lmfao

[vivid vessel]

but then how do i use that on sub

when i have step on that button

this isnt good mewo

you are cooked

[stone frost]

I totally forgot it removed roots/snares that's INSANE

[frail veldt]

I use grapple bind

for step

[vivid vessel]

ah maybe i put prep there

[frail veldt]

on sub/assa

[vivid vessel]

ye but

i have like

4 step bind

[frail veldt]

I use mmo mouse for the rest of them

for focus step, arena 1,2,3 step

[vivid vessel]

i have step on target, step mouseover, step on friendly only, step on focus

[prisma lantern]

WoD was low-key goated in a lot of ways.

I know a lot of people disliked but like. Man. I loved WoD.

[frail veldt]

mmo mouse?

I feel like youre missing a lot of binds

[stuck patrol]

at least thats how it was, it was nerfed a nuumber of times afterwards bc it was OP, like making the energy cost like 60 and shit

but it was removed after lmao

[prisma lantern]

Soul capacitor was the coolest trinket they ever made.

[lime lake]

Burst of speed while running ashran avoiding any pvp and just pveing

[frail veldt]

whatd it do

[tawny dagger]

@vivid vessel how the fck do you step forward with an AZERTY keyboard

[frail veldt]

?

[vivid vessel]

i dont use an azerty keyboard

[frail veldt]

wasd

[vivid vessel]

simple enough cuh

[prisma lantern]

Soul Cap absorbed all your damage for 10s then at the end exploded for all of it at once with a damage amp.

[vivid vessel]

azerty is inferior

even if you are french

[frail veldt]

ooo thats fun

[vivid vessel]

i just cant do accents easely

[lime lake]

[vivid vessel]

who cares

[glass mortar]

it was very funny combod with the legendary ring

because the ring did a similar thing

[prisma lantern]

If you used with the Lego ring - soul Cap could steal everyone else's Lego ring damage. It was wonderful.

[glass mortar]

sub rogue getting a soul cap proc in the opener during the ring usage

[vivid vessel]

bro im ngl

[glass mortar]

u would do zero damage for 10 seconds

[vivid vessel]

i have so many more addons

[glass mortar]

while everyone bursted

[vivid vessel]

in midnight

[glass mortar]

then explode for 10% of the bosses hp

[frail veldt]

yeeeup

[vivid vessel]

i feel overwhelmed

[glass mortar]

and be at the top of the meters

[prisma lantern]

Also rogue was guaranteed a spot in raid because they still made mechanics where one or two players could cheese em.

[glass mortar]

???

guys... is our m+ guy washed?

he cant keep up with midnight.....

maybe come back in the morning zac

time for a midnight nap

[lime lake]

Its ok everyone gets old eventually

[vivid vessel]

bro

i have too many

idk what half of these are

this is a mess

[glass mortar]

its so over......

[prisma lantern]

Like 30-50% of the fights you'd be last on the meters in WoD because you just ran around doing mechanics.

Then the rest of the fights you were guaranteed first. JFC was legit awesome.

[frail veldt]

an addon to manage your addons

[vivid vessel]

ye i havce that

[frail veldt]

why details

[vivid vessel]

cause

you think imma use natty details

from dogzzard

[frail veldt]

I mean they just both suck now

whats the difference

[glass mortar]

details isnt ugly

[brave lagoon]

^

[glass mortar]

looks like it came from a game from the last 5 years

[frail veldt]

I mean spray paint on a pile of shit is still a pile of shit

[glass mortar]

instead of classic wow

[vivid vessel]

details isnt ugly and it still has more functionnalities

[glass mortar]

ok but if ur stuck with a pile of shit why not spray paint it

[vivid vessel]

aka i can open more than one window

and i can

idk

its not ugly

[glass mortar]

u wanna stare at a pile of shit thats brown all day

[vivid vessel]

btw

weran

did you know

the pangolin toy

has 10min cd

1h duration

[frail veldt]

thats true

[glass mortar]

wtf

[vivid vessel]

so you can be a pangolin 100% uptime

[glass mortar]

wtf????

[frail veldt]

its crazy to me how badly they delivered on the damage meter

[vivid vessel]

but you cant have the race changer 100% uptime

[glass mortar]

bro whyd u tell me that

[vivid vessel]

!

[frail veldt]

oooo like furbolg?

thats sick

does it break on damage/combat?

[vivid vessel]

no

[glass mortar]

u know i will lose my blizzard contacts if i dont go to my guy rn and tell him theres a toy with 100% uptime

[frail veldt]

SIIICK

[glass mortar]

24 hour cd inc

[frail veldt]

where to get

need it

[glass mortar]

i hope ur happy

[vivid vessel]

i wont tell you

[frail veldt]

nah they never fixed the furbolg one

ah nvm they def did

50% uptime

rip

fucking blizzard

ruins everything

[glass mortar]

maybe i can negotiate with them tho

they are reasonable

[frail veldt]

whos the fucking hall monitor who works there

[glass mortar]

would 18 hour cd be ok?

@vivid vessel

[frail veldt]

that just detects fun all day

[glass mortar]

im writing my dm rn

[vivid vessel]

no but can i have my race changer with 100% uptime

like

common

its 2026 bro

i would pay real money for that

i would legit pay 50 euro

for a toy

[frail veldt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCxavkuGx5U

[vivid vessel]

that is 100% uptime

[glass mortar]

maybe dont play an ugly race u dont like for disgusting broken utility racials then

[vivid vessel]

to swap race

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

outlaw without dwarfs in keys in 2026

[glass mortar]

bozo

[frail veldt]

gottttem

[vivid vessel]

squishiest mf in history

[frail veldt]

imagine needing dwarf to live

[glass mortar]

im playing worgen rn

[frail veldt]

just admit youre noob

[glass mortar]

my racial gives me giga dps AND defensives

wait the fatebound DR thingy doesnt scale with crit anymore

fuk

its ok move speed is a defensive

~blizzard probably

[frail veldt]

thats why they nerfed grapple

outlaw too tanky

[glass mortar]

cant believe i lived to see the day where u could mog two sets seperatly for in form and out of form tho

so now i have a sick helmet everytime im human and a nice eye patch when i worgen out

[stone frost]

The 1% crit? What racial?

[glass mortar]

the 1% crit ye

crits our best stat now brother

[vivid vessel]

i would mog you weran

[stone frost]

Ah yeah that's nice

[vivid vessel]

irl you dont stand a chance

im mogging your ass

[glass mortar]

fatebound also used to have a defensive node that technically scaled with crit

but thats gone so

[copper radish]

Mechagnome or nothing else

[glass mortar]

i lied again

[glass mortar]

promise?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[stone frost]

I've literally been sitting in silvermoon tryina make a mog look good with my worgen but 90% of the helms/boots are clipping or look wonky af

[vivid vessel]

you would get astro mogged

[glass mortar]

yea theres very few helms that work

but u can make two mog sets and set one to in form one to out now so

i just have helmet showing as human

[stone frost]

I've always hated the boots = anklets thing that troll/tauren/worgen etc have

[glass mortar]

mhm at least worgen feet dont make me wanna crash out tho

poor trolls

[stone frost]

Oh you can do that with the new mog system?

[glass mortar]

yup

its pretty sick

[stone frost]

Lmao you heard it here first Weran likes worgen feet

[glass mortar]

i dont hate them

which i guess is the same as liking

[stone frost]

Worgenmaxxing

[glass mortar]

sure weran likes worgen feet im sure this wont be screenshot

[stone frost]

LOL

[zinc briar]

fck i was playing without poisons

need my wa

to remember

[lime lake]

theres like 10 addons that do that by now

[past sky]

i didnt know you could mog both forms, thats cool

i never shift out anyway

because im always worgen hard

not hardly worgen

[lime lake]

[glass mortar]

ye its right here if u wanna try it out at anypoint

@stone frost

looks like u can do a bunch of neat stuff with it tbh

time for a swimsuit mog for everytime im swimming

😎

[past sky]

azeroth, the land of magic clothes

[vivid vessel]

im ngl

blizzard ruined details

[past sky]

step in water and your outfit changes

[vivid vessel]

the death log now

is turbo garbage

unplayable

you cant mouseover enemy damage taken while in combat

you cant see auras

you cant see any additional info on spells damage

just dps and damage

like how is this even acceptable

[stone frost]

Workin on my human set atm 😄

[zinc briar]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/nightveil

lul now i wont forget poisons

🙂

[past sky]

yeah i need that one too

i keep forgetting to renew flurry a lot too for some reason

the duration is shorter than in tww right?

or is it just me

[zinc briar]

because they need new players

game was so hard

[gaunt phoenix]

what is the deal with AI art and descriptions

[zinc briar]

now is damage and housing

simple game

[glass mortar]

it was infinite during stealth in TWW

so a bit longer id say

its duration barely even moved

[past sky]

ah thats prob what it was, didnt need to touch it as much

[glass mortar]

wait no it was infinite during AR and we had AR all the time w/e u know what i mean

[zinc briar]

for what we need invi now?

between pulls?

[glass mortar]

4fun

4 more movespeed between pulls if u took that talent

to cheap shot in the opener for some reason

thats about it

[zinc briar]

im gonna use ambush

to make something in inv

:d

[glass mortar]

ok

its bad

[zinc briar]

0 energy

hjahahahaha

[glass mortar]

but u do u

[cinder relic]

Its worse than SS

[zinc briar]

y i know

gj devs

[glass mortar]

technically speaking attacks from stealth cant be dodged or parried and if ur not behind a guy they could parry the first attack of the fight

[zinc briar]

makes sense not using the skill that u can use when inv

[glass mortar]

so still a dps gain

!

[zinc briar]

bf shouldnt break the inv

and ambush should cost less energy

[glass mortar]

thats actually a cute idea

make it so audacity procs reduce ambush cost by 50%

[torpid fiber]

can't have that, they want energy management to be important for outlaw 🙂

[lime lake]

ez make everything else cost more energy

[brave lagoon]

man these vile essence droprates are

[lime lake]

im not looking forward to that grind

but the mount is cool so i need it

[brave lagoon]

yeah the mount is lit

[mystic berry]

Okay

whoever told me to pick prep and kir together, I thank you, I think it was solo prob

[wintry solar]

np

[winter falcon]

New question. Just watched a video on this. Is there benefit to hold on to BTE in order to get the 6 bullets from the grave digger talent?

[formal thunder]

you can stack more than 6 bullets, so you won't lose out on any if you BTE just before reaching 6, so should probably not hold it, since you'll lose out on overall casts

think there's a gain in holding BTE if you have the 6 stacks ready and are about to AR if you're talented into super charger so you can send both the super charged combo points into full CP BTE immediately

[sterile wadi]

Is there any good content creators for outlaw?

[stone frost]

I'm kinda liking prep>kir is there anyone else who feels the same? But I am thinking of going back to kir since it benefits from restless blades

[frail veldt]

Was this a pvp video or something

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[winter falcon]

2:00 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsTUSmm2NQM

i could be misunderstanding

[frail veldt]

you arent misunderstanding, the person is just wrong

you cant really "waste" gravedigger stacks

hes also using a suboptimal m+ build

[rich moon]

I think you can, but it's because it has a maximum of stacks (I think 10), so dispatching on 10 stacks would "waste" them, right?

[frail veldt]

you cant get to that though

so lets say you bte at 5 stacks

you then would have to dispatch 5 times

to get to 10

in that time

you will almost certainly get bte back off cd