outlaw

[tiny onyx]

(2) Set: Blade Rush's damage is increased by 30% and its damage to your primary target is increased by an additional 15%.
(4) Set: Blade Rush's cooldown is reduced by 6 seconds and it increases your damage dealt by 5% for 8 seconds.

[frail veldt]

yeah its not that strong

[vapid sundial]

First raid tier set is always bad

[frail veldt]

well not all specs have bad tier right

[vapid sundial]

or not interesting

[frail veldt]

'

[vapid sundial]

depending how u want to clarify it

[frail veldt]

I mean

[tiny onyx]

Meanwhile:
Sub
(2) Set: Finishing moves deal 1.5% more damage per combo point spent.
(4) Set: Shadow Blades has 4 seconds increased duration and causes your attacks to deal an additional 6% damage as Shadow.
Ass
(2) Set: Garrote's damage is increased by 30% and it also applies your weapon poisons.
(4) Set: Garrote's Energy cost is reduced by 10. Mutilate, Ambush, and Fan of Knives deal 25% increased damage to targets affected by your weapon poisons.

[vapid sundial]

i mean

[frail veldt]

subs tier is like 3 times as powerful as ours

[vapid sundial]

those arent interesting

at all

[frail veldt]

were not talking about interesting haha

[wintry solar]

I was gonna say that but work happened

[vapid sundial]

they said

underwhelming

[frail veldt]

having a strong tier is kinda op for dodging tuning and being strong later on in this season

[vapid sundial]

which can mean not interesting

or not good

etc

[wintry solar]

I can't wait for next seasons tier when it's RtB centered

[frail veldt]

fair

I interpreted underwhelming as seeming weak

[vapid sundial]

ye

just wording

atleat we dont have an

[tiny onyx]

Why not both (:

[vapid sundial]

enhance tier again

when they get

30%

off 4pc

LOL

[frail veldt]

yeah a strong 4 pc is def a good omen haha

[vapid sundial]

have we ever had a 'strong'

as in

top 3

[tiny onyx]

now we just prayge that our March 17th balance is gunna go to the moon

[frail veldt]

I mean

df s3

was insane

[vapid sundial]

was it top 3

tho

[tiny onyx]

Outlaw always feels like the middle child

[frail veldt]

idk

[tiny onyx]

sometimes we get a treat for a bit and then it gets balanced or hotfixed

[frail veldt]

idk if hot take

but

this version of outlaw is still more compelling than playing HO

from DF->TWW

[tacit shuttle]

How much haste are we generally shooting for?

as much as we can get?

[frail veldt]

20%

[tiny onyx]

#outlaw-faq i believe 40% crit / 25% haste

[tacit shuttle]

I may have gone overboard in that case.

[junior folio]

spare a bit please

[untold wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1360076647990034624/1360088442016628776/choosing_beggar.gif

[gritty hamlet]

Why does outlaw feel so much squishier while levelling? Just less bursty?

[reef plinth]

Is cold blooded killer realy bad? Or is supercharge just significantly better?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's like 2% better or smth

[lapis beacon]

Using defensives?

[quaint mauve]

meanwhile

i have 12%

[reef plinth]

So i'm guessing if we want a raid spot we play subtlety?

[viral ruin]

I agree And yes i Am using deffensives

[keen belfry]

where do i go get a random 20 adventurer crests

normal rpey mhm

[quaint mauve]

idk man im playing outlaw

like a boss

[reef plinth]

I mean my guild doens't care, but I also find our tier set to not be that bad, with restless blades lowering blade rush, theoretically you could have a 5% dmg increase full uptime. which i guess still loses to subtlety's tier idk

[scarlet drum]

crit/haste neck or vers/mastery neck? Might be swapping to sub for different content.

[frail veldt]

A raid spot is def easier as sub than outlaw

I mean tuning could potentially change that

But I wouldn't hold my breath

[frail veldt]

Def not vers mast

P sure sub is haste > mastery >= crit right?

[ashen void]

#subtlety-faq message

[final pagoda]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

S1 ho was braindead

I agree

[frail veldt]

It was actually so mind numbing

I'll take some energy issues over ho builder spender rules

Anyways uncap bladeflurry

[balmy topaz]

This trinket seems to sim well no?

[vivid vessel]

you guys simming before week 1 ?

im just feeling it bro

i see haste i equip

[wintry solar]

Fr

No brainer rn

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[vivid vessel]

i like that the only thing fucked up in my ui is alwayus blizzard ass

@frail veldt @keen belfry

why am i forced to use cdm

[cobalt token]

im pretty sure you can disable it 😭

also why wouldnt you wanna use it

[vivid vessel]

its ass

every addon that modify it is bugged

and you cant use it without addons cause its trash

and there is no alternative

[noble moon]

better cooldown manager hasnt bugged for me

[astral granite]

Imagine playing without weakauras

[unkempt dew]

Imagine playing

[thin fiber]

Imagine

[unkempt dew]

Pfff imagine paying before playing without weakaura’s

[tulip walrus]

所以zac你的ui调试得怎么样了? I can't wait to steal it

So zac how is your UI debugging

[vivid vessel]

its alright

[tulip walrus]

Accidentally posted Chinese hahaha

[vivid vessel]

its like this rn

mostly the same as before

[tulip walrus]

I'll steal it and turn the skill into a row of 8

Exactly the same as before

[vivid vessel]

ye

can do

[tulip walrus]

I didn't go to the UI for buffing

[wintry leaf]

Why don't we take audacity anymore?

[wintry solar]

We don't take HO

Or Imp Ambush

Basically all the talents that make it good we don't take

[wintry leaf]

Does that slow the spec down?

[vivid vessel]

No

[wintry leaf]

Ok. Guess I need to respect. Ty

[left jay]

One thing I hate about Midnight Outlaw is how much lower mobility the optimal builds are :(

Wish they'd make Hit and Run baseline

[quiet ore]

Feels weird being squishier than a marksmanship hunter

[midnight ridge]

mail>leather

[wintry solar]

Chain*

[midnight ridge]

chains-> jail -> jailer return confirmed

as it was planned

[river wing]

hmmm
Reshii sims below Veteran cloaks, if barely
guess it's not staying till Hero track

[bleak rune]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wicked forge]

How

[safe bear]

When crafting a weapon, is there any difference between mace/sword/axe?

[balmy topaz]

Nope

[safe bear]

Do you know, by any chance, if I set loot pool to Outlaw, do both daggers and slow hitters drop?

Or its slow hitter only

[still matrix]

Do you think we'll fix this rep trinket in simc/raidbots or nah? ima keep it on anyway

[balmy topaz]

Just slows

You need to be assa or sub to loot daggers

[hasty warren]

no daggers

[gray mortar]

Been a while since Roguing, seems like all three specs enjoy haste now and its not doodoo to gear for outlaw?

[coral onyx]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[grim spear]

1% difference is pretty big for the oh

sad

[fading igloo]

Question, can Outlaws loot daggers while having the lootspec on Outlaw?

[vivid vessel]

no

[fading igloo]

Damn so I should prolly run on sub lootspec, since I crafted a sword to maybe find an OH dagger ya?

[polar kelp]

Just craft OH next week

[tame plinth]

Hey, this has surely been discussed, but is there a way to track Roll the Bones buff in the CDM ? I can see it in small here, but that's it..

It's surely a really dumb question, sorry

[fading igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[hearty stump]

the bars

should track rtb buffs

[tame plinth]

Alright, I think one of my addons made those bars disappear, I'll try and fix it, thanks !

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt have to be a bar

you can drag it up to the icon section

inside cdm options

[tame plinth]

Thanks again, it's fixed :)

[polar kelp]

Weird thing, anyone get "latch's crooked hook" trinket? I got it last night but couldn't macro it no matter what I did, which worries me. Normally I'd just do /use 13 and then /cast sinister strike. Or whatever so you don't have to think about it...but nothing works with that one

https://www.wowhead.com/item=250226/latchs-crooked-hook

[vapid sundial]

I should try and move away from elvui at this point since frames are basically dead

buteugh

[lethal oak]

Worked with BTE and Shadow blades for me

[polar kelp]

Did you use /use or /cast? I tried 13 and I tried the trinket name....maybe il try again tonight

[lethal oak]

I did /use 14

[hollow tartan]

Any shot that that Trickster is better? I know the sims are suggesting that Fatebound is in favor but switched between the two and still got 20k more dps in 5 target cleave with test dummies

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are geared with haste then they are pretty close

trickster just doesnt offer an actual advantage

you kind of have to use sims to evaluate 50,000 pulls instead of 1 dummy

[fervent garden]

Hey what ilev are we looking for M+, like 230? like to start.

[gaunt phoenix]

also playing perfectly

[lethal oak]

Will we play trickster when they buff KS by 200% and nerf BF by 12%?

[gaunt phoenix]

KS itself is perhaps a large part of what is holding trickster back sure

[tame plinth]

Idk if it would fix your issues or if it would please you, but there's a new UI Addon called EllesmereUI, still in Beta but for me it works well atm, I can give you my profile if you wanna try

[primal holly]

how do people think outlaw compare to sub in aoe or cleave fights?

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw should be favorable if burst doesnt matter. but tuning is up in the air

sub should be favorable for burst or funnel

[mystic berry]

I would happily play ks if it was buffed by 200%

[raven wyvern]

Anyone have a good Mythic spec?

[mystic berry]

How tf you guys hitting 40k on single dummies? I seem to maintain 31k when the rng is good to me

skill issue fr

[gaunt phoenix]

can run a target dummy sim

my average is not 40k but it is a possible result

so it would take some RNG to get there

over 5 minutes

[mystic berry]

Im glad to know I might not be a total shitter

thanks solo

[river wing]

+0 is perfectly doable in like 215-220, like no issues at all
I assume anything below +7 won't require more than 240

[mystic berry]

I cant prove it, nor can I reproduce it

But I swear to god my BTE shots just dont hit the target when I pull a mob from too far away with it

[west ridge]

wait a min

sub funnel is back?

[mystic berry]

I think their apex offers some funnel but idk

[gaunt phoenix]

surely more than outlaw

[slow sentinel]

If I'm at 5CP and BTE is ready, the optimal choice is to SS then BTE, is that right?

[vivid vessel]

funnel been gone from sub since sl really

even then

idk if its back tho havent really lookjed at midnight sub

its sin who has the funnel

[mystic berry]

5cp and bte means, press a builder, 6 charges PS or SS

then bte

[slow sentinel]

Thanks

[balmy topaz]

[clever wasp]

bad

[west ridge]

only to be outdpsed by a one button rotation dk

nice gear though

[balmy topaz]

true

[mystic berry]

I no longer can beat mages on most aoe pulls, feels bad

[leaden sonnet]

Nah sub doesnt really have any

[earnest matrix]

surely tuning will fix that

[leaden sonnet]

Unless you play deathstalker, but then youre giving up like 20% aoe damage

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm confusing funnel and prio?

does sub prio more than law?

[vivid vessel]

all of tww it did

but that might be over

[leaden sonnet]

Sub just did full ST in tww

Like the exact same, didnt outlaw do that too?

[vivid vessel]

yes but no

killing spree was rng damage targetting

and trickster + aoe build was legit - 20% st

[leaden sonnet]

Oh well yeah but before killing spree rework

[vivid vessel]

while you played raid build

[tropic zephyr]

In S1 yeah

[vivid vessel]

and fatebound had that anti funnel mechanic

well no

in s1 either

cause of fb

antifunneling

[leaden sonnet]

Either way sub is like ST - 10k while aoeing now

[west ridge]

funnel and prio are different things

[vivid vessel]

yes

[tropic zephyr]

We had the deplete energy+Prio button+fb

GS

[leaden sonnet]

Well assa is the only rogue spec that has funnel atm, since Deathstalker sub is unplayable

[mighty pivot]

sometimes energy is sooo bad 21% haste btw

[tropic zephyr]

DF S3 sin was fun, you could just make a guy disappear

[mystic berry]

Maybe it gets better at 25 haste

[west ridge]

tww sin had almost the perfect damage profiel for dungeons

if only it had a little bit more single target

and by a little i mean a lot

[tropic zephyr]

Poggies, 20% haste no buff

[vapid sundial]

Panda

20yd penalty

[keen belfry]

What specs have the good and which hav the bad dmg profiles this season

I didn’t look at much beta stuff

[mystic berry]

I can tell you about a certain rogue spec with undesirable damage profile

[vapid sundial]

I love my flat dmg profile

[tropic zephyr]

I haven't followed much but it feels like arcane has pretty damage profile

[vapid sundial]

So

[keen belfry]

Who padding and doing no prio

[vapid sundial]

Outlaw pad spec

[tropic zephyr]

Us

[vapid sundial]

[keen belfry]

And who’s blasting their target while doing aoe

Our prio isn’t as bad anymore I thought

[vapid sundial]

Idk ask Zac

[mystic berry]

The kings of pad damage

Sin is also quite fucked

Being a dot spec

[vapid sundial]

Yeah but who cares about sin

[mystic berry]

lol

[vapid sundial]

Freak spec

[tropic zephyr]

Sin slowest spec in the game, slowest channel of all specs

[mystic berry]

M+ is the land of burst specs

[keen belfry]

Sin got funnel

[vapid sundial]

Pretty unwelcoming too

From what I've seen

[tropic zephyr]

Kek idk if I ever posted there, probably a bit during DF S3

[balmy topaz]

Especially this tier

[vivid vessel]

what about raid

[balmy topaz]

There's what

5 damage amps

outlaw gonna suck on those

[vivid vessel]

[vapid sundial]

Every tier is a sub tier

You can't run from it

[west ridge]

dont worry thats when you do the little respec then port back in strat

[vivid vessel]

me when i have to respec on every dungeon every boss

oh well

[mystic berry]

at what point do we remember that we dont have a MH to play sub?

Oh wait sub can use slow 0ffhand

[vivid vessel]

no

[mystic berry]

Then yeah

we bricked

lol

[leaden sonnet]

You can if you like giving up 10% of your energy and combo points for fun

[mystic berry]

Which makes the entire philosophy of "well you can always play sub" diabolical

Blizzard pls

[vivid vessel]

no

you are just expected to craft dagger

and play sub

anywya

[gaunt phoenix]

it does look like there is the smallest gain by not casting killing spree during supercharger at all

[mystic berry]

Only 2 specs on rogue, sub and wrong

[safe bear]

Is it possible to change loot spec mid dungeon?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[safe bear]

So I can target both daggers and slow hitters in case outlaw goes meta?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, but for actual M+, your loot spec doesnt matter until the end

[leaden sonnet]

Well no, whatever loot spec you have whenever the dungeon is completed is what your chest contains

[safe bear]

I mean, for now with m0s

Since bosses drop the loot instead of a chest at the end

[leaden sonnet]

For m0s yes if theyre not from the exact same boss

[safe bear]

Amazing, thanks!

[vivid vessel]

GUYS

[gaunt phoenix]

girls

[vivid vessel]

bro pre season is so boring

[mystic berry]

@cinder relic

[balmy topaz]

0 to do

[dusk dirge]

weekend before lunch today

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

ye

black pants tho

no ?

[balmy topaz]

Better?

These toes bro

LIKE I CANT

[vivid vessel]

dance now

the panda dance is a banger

[balmy topaz]

The flame hands

go hard

[balmy topaz]

Also

Should I get the straw hat

cus panda

[vivid vessel]

ye

[balmy topaz]

Imagine spending reset day

Getting transmog

[jolly geyser]

why not

[west ridge]

what else you gonna do

preys?

wait a min

you are telling you are that geared from just one cycle of m0 @balmy topaz

[mystic berry]

Is there a good addon to customize buff bars?

Tried some but were kinda iffy

[untold wadi]

betterblizzframes has a filter

and obv more

like padding n stuff is nice for super compact

[balmy topaz]

2 cycles

Last week and this

and I still have 2 dungeons to do this week

[mystic berry]

ty mafic

[bitter karma]

man oh man this spec is hard to get used to lol

i leveled with sub and assa so i know these by heart is there any quick guide to get me quickstarted?

i sort of know the basics but i feel like im missing stuff

[dark ember]

What sound do we think the new Killing Spree uses?

Whatever it is, I can tell it's not unique but a slapped together placeholder probably triggering multiples of another pre-existing sound.

It's straight ass and I want to replace it and can with the OldGunSounds mod but only if I can find out what it is!

The animation is so fun but I cannot get over how low effort the sound is.

[gaunt phoenix]

probably one or more of these https://www.wowhead.com/sounds/name:Spree

[mystic berry]

I think of only one youtuber and one streamer that plays outlaw so guides coming from there are scarce

You will have to do with this discord and wowhead

[tropic zephyr]

Yeah #outlaw-faq has everything you need

[gaunt phoenix]

Unfortunately you do just kind of have to read the text guides and piece it together

dont know a video guide

[uneven copper]

Question for anyone using ArcUI - Tracking BTE. it seems to take a second or so for it to realise the CD has reset and it's now available for use. Anyone know why?

[unkempt dew]

They love mastery gear this season. All world event quests gives mastery gear

[frail veldt]

I use arc UI but mine doesn't do this

Maybe you have another addon interfering

[uneven copper]

Those are the only settings i've edited for it

What have you got?

[frail veldt]

I don't even touch those haha

[uneven copper]

Oh so your button just always displays?

[frail veldt]

Yeah

How else would I see it's cool down

You hide it when it's on CD????

[bitter karma]

ok yeah u were right this faq is hella useful

ty

[uneven copper]

Ah okay - i have it set to hide when on CD. You don't need to know how long BTE has on CD when it's dynamic based on CP spent and resets from the apex

Plus i still have action bars at the bottom, i use arcui for extra info / buff tracking

[gaunt phoenix]

whoever wrote the faq is very smart and handsome

[uneven copper]

I don't do the whole WA UI people do

[frail veldt]

Well it's informative so you know you have it ready next gcd

Hiding it while on CD is kinda wild ngl

[uneven copper]

Read my message lmao

[frail veldt]

I did

But yeah maybe there's a fade setting

[uneven copper]

Well then you read that i have BTE showing on action bars

[frail veldt]

That's causing it to take longer to hide then unhide

But im guessing that's definitely the root cause

[uneven copper]

But considering it procs the reset, i want arc to show me it in the center of my screen for a faster reaction

but arcui is delayed for some reason by 1-2 seconds

[frail veldt]

Must be the hiding feature

[uneven copper]

sometimes it's instant, most of the time it isn't

soi dk

[vapid spruce]

Fwiw im using arcui and don't have bte hidden and mine does the same thing

[frail veldt]

It does have a sound effect at least when it resets

[frail veldt]

Wdym if it's not hidden it can't do the same thing haha

[uneven copper]

yours is delayed too?

[vapid spruce]

Yes

I don't have any settings turned on either

[frail veldt]

What part is delayed for you

Does it report the wrong cooldown?

[twilit relic]

Is there an addon that lets me move the blizzard combo points anywhere and resize it and also have a numerical display of how many I have? Tried searching but can't find one that's updated for midnight

[frail veldt]

Edit mode expanded is what I use

[vapid spruce]

No its just like the ui pauses for a sec when I press it and it resets

I guess the cooldown manager pauses* better way of putting it

[frail veldt]

Y'all should try to record this happening

Can maybe then report it to the arcui discord

[vapid spruce]

Yea thats what I was gonna do, tbh I just assumed it was a blizzard thing until I was lurking in here and saw someone else had the problem

At this point if my ui lags I know it reset and just go with it

[errant field]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[uneven copper]

Does this let you have a separate number for your combo points? e.g. a 5 in my screen somewhere for 5 CPs?

[frail veldt]

Lolol yeah that's def an issue, is it up to date?

[frail veldt]

Nope it's just default cps

Just allows you to move it

[uneven copper]

ah okay np sadge

[vapid spruce]

If im being honest the last time I tested it was on sunday before I went out of town so im not sure if ive tested it on the most up to date version

[dull lintel]

I tried outlaw last night, but i have mastery as my highest stat since I have been mostly gearing as sub. Does your damage improve significantly if you have the proper stats like 0 mastery or am I playing wrong?

[frail veldt]

How high is your haste

[gaunt phoenix]

currently we are most influenced by haste

[dull lintel]

I am sitting at 505 haste or 15% and my mastery is 596 or 21%

[gaunt phoenix]

i lied

basically, i have 600 crit 600 haste 200 mastery

which are "normal" stats

and this is what happens if i flip them around

[mint ether]

a lot of stuff is doing this right now

dot applications are often delayed for many clases

I don't know if i'd describe BTE procs a delayed or laggy, but it does not feel as instantaneous with CDM as it does with WA

this might be a design intention, but gaining extra CPs with SS is clearly delayed now

[inland echo]

New to outlaw, if I am at 5cp do I want to SS for that extra cp or do I want to slam a spender in case I get a double SS hit?

[gaunt phoenix]

if BtE is available, you SS to 6-7

if not then you Dispatch at 5

as fatebound the finisher rule is different for bte/dispatch

[tulip pine]

Any add-ons on to track current active rtb buffs?

[cinder relic]

The base ui

[tulip pine]

Idk how to set up

Send halp

[cinder relic]

Cooldown manager

[tulip pine]

[keen belfry]

solo is the crucile updated in sims

[cinder relic]

What specifically do you need help with

[keen belfry]

the uh renown trinket

[tulip pine]

I want it to show me the current active buffs from rtb

[frail veldt]

what do you want it to show you?

oh

[cinder relic]

Drag RTB to a buff bar

and itll show

[frail veldt]

sorry I read dont

thats what it does by defualt

it changes the icon based on what buff it is

[tulip pine]

Hmmm..

maybe my UI is just fucked..

[copper radish]

Are you by chance using ellesemereUI’s cooldown manager? If u are it doesn’t show the buff you roll it’ll only show the RTB icon

[tulip pine]

im tryna lvl but its bothering tf outta me tht i dnt see my rtb buffs

[frail veldt]

you just drag it from not displayed into the tracked buffs section

the icon looks the same as loaded dice so make sure you have the righ tone

[gaunt phoenix]

i will fix it if you give me awangbarbar

[frail veldt]

you have it in bars

[keen belfry]

open the cdm thing

[frail veldt]

not in buff icons

its working but its just abar

[keen belfry]

shjould i post it

[tulip pine]

ooooohhhhhhhh

[frail veldt]

tracked buffs vs tracked bars

[tulip pine]

[frail veldt]

very dentge

[tulip pine]

is there a way where it can be simplified and tell me exactly what the buff is without having to mosueover to tooltip

like "+crit"

[frail veldt]

no

[tulip pine]

or "+leech" etc

[frail veldt]

blizz has hidden that info

you get the icon change

thats it

[tulip pine]

[keen swan]

Hi guys, didnt xp my outlaw yet (the only rogue spec i play), what is the current situation of the spec ?

[frail veldt]

also the buffs are entirely different now

[tulip pine]

i noticed

which is why i dont recognize any since Legion

[frail veldt]

the only one that impacts your rotation is being at 2 or higher

[tulip pine]

is it just 1 buff now?

[frail veldt]

changes your builder rules slightly if you care to do that optimization

only worth like 1%

[tulip pine]

theres no more like 3-5 buffs?

[frail veldt]

correct

its one buff with 4 stages

[keen belfry]

its MUCH more simplified now, once you get it youll get it forever

[frail veldt]

you could honestly ignore the stage entirely

I guess you need to watch it for when to roll/kir

but in terms of needing to watch it constantly its not nearly as bad

[tulip pine]

tryna figure out how to keep track of this for pvp

[frail veldt]

I do pvp

this is how I have my ui setup

the grey at the top right are my rtb buff and loaded dice buff

[tulip pine]

i wanna copy ur UI plz

[silver venture]

is it worth upgrading veteran stuff with crests now or do i just wait until season starts

[frail veldt]

you cant really share uis anymore

theres not a good way to do it afaik

[tulip pine]

theres no import/export code?

[frail veldt]

this is arcui

I can share my edit mode but I dont think that would share my arcui layout

[keen belfry]

@gaunt phoenix would you test unreleased awangbarbnar

[tulip pine]

well im downlaoding it rn

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[keen belfry]

solo is so scared of unreleased files

[frail veldt]

gona hack him

[keen belfry]

he was cared of wangbar too

[frail veldt]

wtf is awangbarbnar

[tulip pine]

IM IN

[keen belfry]

it just skins and removes the icon of cdm bars

[frail veldt]

what addon do yall use to do the profession treasure finding

heard theres a really easy one that just gives you arrow

[tulip pine]

so theres no way to copy ur ARCui settings from you?

[frail veldt]

not that I know of =/

[keen belfry]

its the orange bar mewo

[tulip pine]

[frail veldt]

oooooooooooo

I want that

[keen belfry]

mewo u cant recommended arcui to a guy struggling with base cdm

no cap

[frail veldt]

he already had it

[tulip pine]

plz help me

[keen belfry]

step 1:
delete arcui

[frail veldt]

rofl

[tulip pine]

[keen belfry]

just use wangbar and base cdm

[frail veldt]

guy uses base UI for the most part right?

[frail veldt]

he should just share his edit mode on the guide

ngl

[keen belfry]

do it

[frail veldt]

FINISH HIM

[tulip pine]

i did

[keen belfry]

i thiunk he does

[frail veldt]

oh

well then there you go

[tulip pine]

[copper radish]

ArcUI is garbage lmao

[frail veldt]

its not awful

once you learn the ui

[copper radish]

BetterCDM just ease of use. Dont need 5000 settings for the cdm lol

[frail veldt]

why is this recommended as bis in the wowhead guide?

wouldnt a haste proc be kinda shit for us

idgi

[keen belfry]

yeah no cap plug and play just do it bettercooldownmanager

[copper radish]

I want that for my Devourer lol

[frail veldt]

send it

[tulip pine]

[frail veldt]

none of these are gona magically work haha

will still have to do a lot of things to make your ui pretty

[copper radish]

Yeah still need to move around stuff in the cdm blizz options to get it to ur liking

The built in resource bar is nice too

[tulip pine]

[keen belfry]

take some time to learn ur addons cuh

[gaunt phoenix]

You dont need a cdm addon at all

[keen belfry]

i agree

listen to green name

[copper radish]

I didn’t really touch anything in those settings. Just setup the icons in the blizzard settings and you’re good

[gaunt phoenix]

you need these buffs and cooldowns

buffs at the top, cooldowns at the bottom, or whatever you want

a lot of people like blade flurry as a bar but you dont have to

[tulip pine]

how do i set rtb back to bar

i udnerstand the buffs now tht i re-read rtb

[gaunt phoenix]

in CDM settings you drag it to the bar section

[copper radish]

Looks like Cell has a beta version out for midnight 🔥

[tulip pine]

ty

[frail veldt]

vers 🙁

you will be missed

[keen belfry]

i feels it

raid and keys will be interesting

[gaunt phoenix]

what are your two rings?

[keen belfry]

this is with a haste flask and lvl 1 oils

[frail veldt]

geared chad

wang whats your overall like in dungeons

with all that bling

[keen belfry]

i actually hAve no idea

[gaunt phoenix]

lucky crit haste ring drop

[keen belfry]

no no thjats the mastery one

[gaunt phoenix]

oh

stinky

[keen belfry]

yeah

the nalorakk neck is nmice

[waxen scarab]

we dispatch at 5 cp?

[gaunt phoenix]

as fatebound yes

[waxen scarab]

interesting \

[copper radish]

How TF you get that lucky w all that haste lol

[gaunt phoenix]

well flask is like 200

[keen belfry]

yeah i flask

[ripe ibex]

hey

[keen belfry]

jason you @ me and said u did it a few days ago

did what man

[ripe ibex]

oh

yeah

[vapid sundial]

Your mom?

[keen belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/where-there's-a-will-there's-a-wang-ben-brad-gage-wong-fu-productions-asian-bachelorette-2-gif-3610278869484465864

[radiant wyvern]

u kno the champ renown neck is hast crit yeah?

[frail veldt]

oooo

gotta do that

[mighty pivot]

why not use tww gem? more stats and cheaper

[frail veldt]

wow is that real?

[mighty pivot]

it's 10/3 at rank3

[radiant wyvern]

war within drums and jumper cables still work too i think

[frail veldt]

OP

[keen belfry]

i have that one ye

but the one i equipped is more haste

[keen belfry]

fine.

goat.

[gaunt phoenix]

u should double check if the tww gems actually adjust your stats

[copper radish]

IK what I’m doing tonight. That’s from level 9 right

[radiant wyvern]

aye

[mighty pivot]

I checked and they did with the correct amounts

unlike the permarune which says 6 agi on the tooltip but is actually 2

[keen belfry]

fine nr ill do it nr

[radiant wyvern]

juiced

[keen belfry]

make u happy?

have u sent any veteran crests

[gaunt phoenix]

happi

[keen belfry]

i have 300 veteran crests

my weapon guys!

[fluid meadow]

what is the correct order between abilities at overall? seems bad to me

[radiant wyvern]

i didn't know the wang was so big

[keen belfry]

usually my BTE is 2/3

[gaunt phoenix]

for me it's like BtE >= Dispatch > BR > autos > the rest

[keen belfry]

if i just hit the dummies, 5 targets, its usually just liek this

BTE can randomly beat BR in good pulls

[gaunt phoenix]

ive never seen BR win overall

[keen belfry]

yeah never overall

oh i misread

[gaunt phoenix]

oh 5 target sustain

[keen belfry]

yeah

if its just aoe BR should be 2 usually, but BTE close i think? but dungeons have bosses and random low target pulls depending on tank

and with crit it rises more right?

[gaunt phoenix]

bte depends on crit ye

and if you are supercharging it

on purpose

[keen belfry]

like end of season 1 gear BTE might be 2 in aoe

[fluid meadow]

this was an mgt run, there are so much smallies

[keen belfry]

i play for da supercharger

i could be completely wrong but i dont think my dispatch was ever abnove my BTE end of dujngeons

i also run 1 dispatcher taeltn

[gaunt phoenix]

with 1 dispatcher yeah

2 dispatcher it should be >=

I cba with prep in m0s

[keen belfry]

how much value do u think deadly pursuit gives us solo

[gaunt phoenix]

nothing

[keen belfry]

i agree

[keen belfry]

if its really really sdmall ill just run stamina or something

[gaunt phoenix]

in dslice

it's active 5% of the time

and removing it does not change dps

but should see its uptime in log

[mighty pivot]

22.5% haste unbuffed almost getting there (energy will still suck )

[near holly]

there a difference in rank 1/2?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, it should be 0.75% -> 1.25%

but the tooltip of course doesnt tell you, cause why would it

u should probably enchant haste atm

[near holly]

eagle simmed higher and was cheaper.

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[near holly]

but ty! 🙂

[keen belfry]

Seems like should be more but the buff timer is short and most keys are perma combat

I do wanna see a log of a real key when they are out

[glass grail]

What is our breakpoint for haste atm? 25%? Or is it 30%?

[gaunt phoenix]

technically 25% but that's not really possible in preseason

can approach 20% with haste on everything

[radiant wyvern]

i was able to hit 27% with flask

[gaunt phoenix]

which is good enough

[near holly]

ya i hit over 25 with flask too.

[glass grail]

Sweet. Ty.

[gleaming reef]

25% with or without flask etc?

[gaunt phoenix]

with

[gleaming reef]

ok

once i hit 25 without flask i can use another flask?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[gleaming reef]

ok

[mighty pivot]

did you see that in the spell data dump? because on wowhead it shows both spell ids as 1%

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[mighty pivot]

well good thing blizzard is showing that in game

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[mighty pivot]

so wowhead rounds that I guess

[gaunt phoenix]

actually

there might be an integer restriction

and they forgor

lemme confirm something

or you can just buy 2 enchants and see if garrote crits the same

for science

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[gaunt phoenix]

should add unhalted frames / plater i suppose

[vivid vessel]

You tried running dungeon routes or

[gaunt phoenix]

not a "real" one

a fake one

[vivid vessel]

Yeye

That's fine

[gaunt phoenix]

but the Delay is arbitrary anyway

idk

[vivid vessel]

Oh you were talking about deadly

I thought prep

[gaunt phoenix]

oh ye

you said you skip deadly right

[vivid vessel]

Did you know I haven't specced into prep once yet

[gaunt phoenix]

for m0 i wouldnt use it either

[vivid vessel]

Ye imo it's useless

[gaunt phoenix]

i think i agree

[vivid vessel]

Tho I think it's probably better in keys than raid

I just think for the intended purpose

Like dimensisus

It's turbo useless

[keen belfry]

keys seem interesting for it, its uterrly terrible but it might have some value in keys? its how much cdr again

extra like what 12 seconds or sometihng

[edgy jetty]

@keen belfry wrong class

[keen belfry]

@edgy jetty so many keys this season

outlaw??

[edgy jetty]

nope

sub/sin only

[keen belfry]

yeah...

real rogue player right here guys

[edgy jetty]

👍

[waxen scarab]

do we rtb stage 2?

in non opener scenarios

[gaunt phoenix]

you mean KIR?

yes

[mystic berry]

its so so awkard to use

[keen belfry]

pulls arent long enough for ARs, it feels fine on b osses

2 ARs*

[mystic berry]

So what, we drop Sleight for kir and prep?

[gaunt phoenix]

No, you drop 1 point in summarily diaptchehd

for prep

i cannot type that word

my hands dont get it

[vivid vessel]

dispatcher

bro

[keen belfry]

what is trickster aoe opener

so weird

[vivid vessel]

idk

adr snd bf ks

bte bte bt ebte

[keen belfry]

can we ks before ar

[glass mortar]

Adr snd bf KS prep ks

[keen belfry]

i dont think im supercharging ks

[vivid vessel]

bf ks adr dispatch bte bte

idk

ye i guess

[keen belfry]

thats what i was doing

[vivid vessel]

its weird

[glass mortar]

Could supercharge two back to back

[vivid vessel]

why you playing trickster tho

just play the fun build

[keen belfry]

i actually did a naked rtb opener

thoughts?

[glass mortar]

Finally, latias 10s kspree is here

[vivid vessel]

disgusting

but also who cares about having rtb for ks right

[keen belfry]

it lets u get a free rtb fish

[vivid vessel]

like buff 1 and 2 do nothing for ks

[keen belfry]

ive only done it once and got a jackpot

so

[vivid vessel]

even buff 3 its just one finisha

[keen belfry]

must be tech

[vivid vessel]

ye i see

smart

[zinc briar]

Fun build of this outlaw? Whereeee

[keen belfry]

2 ace

[mystic berry]

no capstones

thats the fun build

[zinc briar]

We lost the apm, outlaw now is another boring class as other

Cluncky slow boring class

[gaunt phoenix]

if outlaw is slow and boring

you have 12% haste or you're playing it wrong

straight up

[zinc briar]

I have 11%

[gaunt phoenix]

okay

[zinc briar]

Haste will fix it? Mmm

[cinder relic]

I think complaining in discord might also fix it

[gaunt rover]

im at 20% and it still feels slow

[gaunt phoenix]

I did m0s with 17-19% haste and you dont energy starve but like 5% of the time

[gaunt rover]

im hoping those 5% are miracle

[radiant kelp]

does anyone know where the person or people that do changes on rogue especially outlaw live?

asking for a friend

[winter falcon]

I'm positive I'm not playing the spec optimally. Few questions though. 1. Is there any reason to stealth before an engagement? 2. Having a hard time staying alive in Prey's long enough to do enough damage to complete it

[gaunt phoenix]

stealth doesnt matter

[gaunt rover]

use evasion and cc

[copper radish]

HO?

[gaunt rover]

should be enough for prey

[zinc briar]

I Hope that we got some devs here reading us 😄

[gaunt rover]

HP pots also help

[vivid vessel]

?

[craggy barn]

zac is no ho

!

[copper radish]

Are you referring to HO as the fun build

[vivid vessel]

what

why would i bro

you trolling me or

[copper radish]

Because it’s fun?

[vivid vessel]

?

[mystic berry]

Tbfh its the only place we can doom

[cinder relic]

If complaining every day didn't work during beta it's not going to work now

U can fix the "energy issues" of outlaw right now by getting haste

[radiant kelp]

can we get honest opinion on outlaws state ?

[cinder relic]

U can say that's bad design, I could agree but like, you can fix it right now

[radiant kelp]

i dont know if its me but this feels so shit

[craggy barn]

outlaw without a good amount of haste feels bad

[blissful idol]

Haste fixed it for me

[radiant kelp]

and if im not mistaken were talking about 30% haste?

[vivid vessel]

i think its boring without ace, i think energy is low sometimes, i think its kinda empty there isnt much going on, otherwise its alright, im also effraid its gonna suck in keys forever cause we loss tankyness + aoe + utility so

[radiant kelp]

that is exactly what im on

it feels so empty

[craggy barn]

haste being a requirement kinda sucks (but like a lot of classes that like haste feel bad in s1 before getting gear)
the more aggregious thing is that we have a haste cap so we still lose out on lust, and any other haste buffs the game throws at us for fight design

[radiant kelp]

well my message got yoinked but imma say it again that outlaw feels like a more disabled version of warrior ( total brainless )

[craggy barn]

are u saying outlaw is brainless to play?

[radiant kelp]

no im not saying that

its just the feeling that it gives now

[cinder relic]

It's more involved than fury rn

Lol

[radiant kelp]

compare to what it used to be

[copper radish]

Would you like it if 2/2 gave us a full 7 CP

[craggy barn]

outlaw feels fine outside of major starvation moments and the normal uptime stuff

imo

slow grapple also sucks

er i guess normal grapple speed

[copper radish]

Somehow it’s still the fastest way to get around but yeah the slow retraction is hard getting used to

[vivid vessel]

yes but we prolly wouldnt be playing it, the 2nd point has 0 value compred to the first one

[craggy barn]

it just feels so sluggish

[vivid vessel]

it needs to be a one pointer

[craggy barn]

compared to what we had

[vivid vessel]

or increase proc chance per point

[craggy barn]

ace should be 1 so we can have a free talent point

[gaunt phoenix]

i've warmed up to ace idk

you just build

build good

[vivid vessel]

ye so its boring

and you waste cps

its awkard

[mystic berry]

Yeah but pew pew pew would feels amazing

Pew knife pew isnt the same

[craggy barn]

what if prep was anticipation and we could store combo points like sub

[gaunt phoenix]

i feel like chain ace would skyrocket our RNG even more

[vivid vessel]

we care about rng now

[gaunt phoenix]

i do

[keen belfry]

still think ace should just be guaranteed reset with diminsihign returns per ace cast

[vivid vessel]

well maybe they should have not made rtb even more rng then

and the bte thing

[random stirrup]

yeah but old rtb rng eww so gamba omg (ignore running 6buffs for all of tww2 for minutes straight)

[vivid vessel]

stacking to infinity

is cringe

we just got more invisible rng

i dont like

[keen belfry]

like i should look forward to pressiung BTE, increase its CD a bit but make it reset more

even if same bte casts

would be more fun

[vivid vessel]

if its garanted how is it fun

its fun cause its a proc bro

[craggy barn]

i just miss blasting open world content in the opener

[keen belfry]

the fun part is didd u rpess 4 in a row or 5

etc

[mystic berry]

Gun goes boom is the fun tbh

[vivid vessel]

im gonna prey for you

[keen belfry]

obvi ballpark numbers but it would be fun to me seeing BTE tick down in CD and think ok here comes bte chain

[craggy barn]

zac account sharing is illegal

[keen belfry]

im your prey hard target?

[craggy barn]

do not do awang's preys for him

[vivid vessel]

im just preying for him

thats all

he needs it

[craggy barn]

zac how many rogs u leveled

2?

[vivid vessel]

2

casual guild this tier

[craggy barn]

new guild or guild is just more casual now

[vivid vessel]

we lost 5 + players cause midnight is bad

[craggy barn]

ah

rip

[gaunt phoenix]

freedom

[craggy barn]

my guild expanded to 1.5 rosters 🙂

[vivid vessel]

so we had to go down from 7 days guild

to 3 days

mega casual

lfr enjoyers

[craggy barn]

u gotta lfr for tier set so u can catalyst earlier

so enjoy them!

[random stirrup]

wtf we're 3day....

[craggy barn]

not as casual as me

2 day

my guild so casual we prob arent running a rog anymore

[vivid vessel]

im used to raiding a lot now so

[craggy barn]

time to move on and find a new guild eh?

[vivid vessel]

we are the best french guild

[craggy barn]

ah

[vivid vessel]

or were

[craggy barn]

wait wtf guild are u again

[vivid vessel]

but it prolly will start again in s2

hopefully

thats the plan rn

[vivid vessel]

wave

[craggy barn]

ah

[vivid vessel]

we were 24 world last raid so it was kinda nice

i like killing raid quick

then you can m+

and you have gear

[craggy barn]

ya

im just hoping my guild gets faster so we have more break weeks

[keen belfry]

im 2 day guild

nbd

[vivid vessel]

i think

prey

is one of the worse content they ever released

its legit just a world quest

idk why they made a big deal out of it

[keen belfry]

its not made for ppl like u

its mid tho

u right

[craggy barn]

it just makes doing wqs slightly more interesting, if you arent hard farming just preys

nightmare preys might be better, but shits probably all gonna get outscaled anyways

op crest farm

15 vet crests for <5 minutes each

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel watch me play one rengfar game

now

im live

[random stirrup]

@mots @ mots self promotion!!!

[keen belfry]

tune in rleld

[random stirrup]

im at work

[untold yarrow]

damn

i checked sub faq because someone told me sub was now 2 buttons

💀

https://tenor.com/view/mane-im-dead-gif-17125533328470459107

[random stirrup]

yeah there are some little things but pretty much 2 buttons for the most part

[gaunt phoenix]

i am outlaw priority

is not exactly extensive either

[untold yarrow]

imagine going from dust to this in 1.5 xpac

lobotomy speedrun any %

[gaunt phoenix]

3 builders, 2 finishers, rtb adr bf br kir

[untold yarrow]

i mean outlaw at least has more buttons

[gaunt phoenix]

it does

[random stirrup]

this guy hasnt seen my 5 different dance macros

if you want buttons gotta make em

[untold yarrow]

what do you macro into dance

oh wait u mean /dance ?

idek anymore

[random stirrup]

for gcd efficiency there are times you may cast one of dance/evis dance/storm dance/sectec dance/bp

which each requires its own keybind. not that that is meaningfully different from being 2 buttons for the other 95% of the time

[untold yarrow]

that has to be turbo minimal optimisation

[random stirrup]

most of outlaw is historically small optimizations

[untold yarrow]

and bugs

[toxic gate]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[untold yarrow]

i dont think ive ever seen outlaw disc this quiet

especially into new expac

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[random stirrup]

all the available content is mega boring until the 24th

slay the spire much better

[gaunt phoenix]

limbus company has eaten 250 hours in 45 days

what a game !

[untold yarrow]

whats that

[random stirrup]

deckbuilder roguelike

just released the 2nd one last week

[untold yarrow]

whats a deckbuilder roguelike, I mean i know what a roguelike is but deckbuilder?

[random stirrup]

you start with cards and mana to play them, as you progress you add/remove cards from your deck to make a build, gain powerups etc.

[hearty stump]

any chance of us using killing spree this expac or is it doodoo now

[gaunt phoenix]

there is cause Trickster is close

[hearty stump]

well outside of any possible changes obviously

ok ok

[gaunt phoenix]

Trickster needs an ounce of tuning to pull ahead

[hearty stump]

that 5% hidden blade nerf from 2 months ago

[gaunt phoenix]

ye idk

sub nerf

[hearty stump]

they forgor outlaw existed again

simple mistake

killing spree just feels really good to press and therefore I like it

[lethal oak]

Im predicting only assa buffs and prolly another sub nerf you heard it here first

[hearty stump]

outlaw untouched for 6 months ago over/under

[untold yarrow]

fk ks

glad trickster is not ahead

never forgiven for the mental damage it was doing to me

[fiery pendant]

Why is KIR not just like a passive that like guarantees you can’t roll lower if you roll over a buff or something. The button feels so boring 💀

[gaunt phoenix]

it should bump your roll by 1

then you maybe feel something with it

[inland meteor]

id love that

[fiery pendant]

That’d work as well