outlaw

[vivid vessel]

dont do the quest

[copper radish]

Aren’t we still the only class with a major AoE ability that is capped? Everyone else rocking uncapped w diminished past 5 or 8….

[vivid vessel]

yes of course

[hardy vault]

wait the prey world quest area and just open traps there?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[copper radish]

This neck/ring also has the PvP ilvl bump on it tho that’s 🔥

[vivid vessel]

open traps and click on the red bubble thing that drops

and you will just end up spawning the guy

in like

5min

[rare aspen]

Dont even need to open them, run into them if cba to fight fly off land on the next

[vivid vessel]

dont you need to click on the red balls?

[hardy vault]

[vivid vessel]

and kill the dudes that spawn sometimes

[upper hawk]

click red balls

[patent mirage]

you can get some more prey progress with the riposte thing

aka sometimes when they run away , they leave a red trail

[rare aspen]

yeah. Red balls i dont bother killing half the time on new 90s

[patent mirage]

which you can follow

also , they need to bump deadly pursuit a bit

to make it more likeable

[copper radish]

Prey gives vet on first 2 each week right? Can get some more gear from it hopefully lol

[gaunt phoenix]

Im not sure i notice deadly pursuit at all, i couldnt tell you if it even works

[hardy vault]

btw funny grappling hook clip

[patent mirage]

i tried to track the proc but it never shows up

[bright ferry]

Hey pirates, getting back on Outlaw, having some troubles with the M+ opener without AR+SnD under the bubble.

Let's say I haven't prep my SnD under the bubble and I'm about to face a pack of mobs.
Should I AR+SnD then reach for BtE or should I use dispatch to generate SnD then reach BtE?

TYIA

[gaunt phoenix]

AR SND right before pull

open with blade flurry BR BTE

[vivid vessel]

fuck you buddy

landing on a trap with mount

crashed my game

[rare aspen]

Never happened to me

[bright ferry]

Thanks!

[glass mortar]

i think its actually fairly noticable in the open world

its part of the reason BF isnt perma on CD every single time u mount up to fly to the next patch of 3 mobs for a world quest

😴

could be better tho

[frail veldt]

lol truuuu

I leveled with it the whole time

and didnt even realize it was there once

[vivid vessel]

i dont play with it

[frail veldt]

its effect is so miniscule

[vivid vessel]

i thought everyone knew it was useless

back in beta

[glass mortar]

seems ok for world content stuff

[vivid vessel]

we talekd about it

[glass mortar]

just because BF is so annoying

certainly seems pretty nonexistant in dungeons ive done

[frail veldt]

my bf still wasnt 100% uptime if I wasnt running long bf

you just dont get enough cdr

[glass mortar]

what in dungeons?

or u mean in the open world

[frail veldt]

open world

[glass mortar]

yea it wont be 100% uptime

it would be even lower without this tho

[frail veldt]

if I pull a pack I can barely keep bf 100% uptime

[glass mortar]

everytime u proc it is like a full reset on BF as ur traveling between stuff

make its a little less annoying wqing

it should just proc everytime we leave combat cmm

huge mega dungeon buff for guys like me

zero buff for zac

👏

[frail veldt]

deadly pursuit is 15s of cdr right?

I mean thats not very much

helps for bladeflurry

but thats insanely weak

[fossil lintel]

Beats 0s of CDR though

[glass mortar]

most talents that are only even noticable in open world where ur killing 3 guys in 5s then mounting to fly for 5s again are probably insanely weak

[patent mirage]

simming deadly pursuit the gain was like 10 dmg , you dont even notice it

[frail veldt]

negligible lol

[glass mortar]

it shouldnt even be a gain in sims, why would it be

[frail veldt]

cuz our energy

[glass mortar]

i mean in dslice i guess it will trigger

[frail veldt]

sometimes runs out

[glass mortar]

but the amount it triggers on ST is almost nonexistant

[frail veldt]

for trickster it procs while youre just doing the rotation

even in ST

[glass mortar]

like even when it does trigger its gone instantly

[fossil lintel]

I have noticed it in dungeons both for bf and during boss rp

[patent mirage]

what if it was like a flat sec reduction on all you abilities

[frail veldt]

cuz it only cancels when you spend cps

so all you have to do is not spend cps for 9s

[hardy vault]

okay the trap tech is good

[frail veldt]

and youll proc and get a full value from it mid combat

[hardy vault]

ty guys

[frail veldt]

which ngl is not that farfetched

[hardy vault]

sadly got neck from my 2nd hard prey

[vivid vessel]

@rare aspen are you sure flying trough them works

it doesnt seem to for me

• you done see the animation on the icon

while when i deactivate the trap

i see the animation

[fickle relic]

what can you say about my meme ambush build?

• cool cold blood effect on my right hand

[glass mortar]

what do u want us to say

if u want to play the worse build thats always allowed

[fickle relic]

it doesn't feel bad at all

[glass mortar]

im not sure what the meme part is this just looks like ST HO build with cold blooded for some reason

[fickle relic]

dispatch is somehow my top 1 dps now

[glass mortar]

its just numerically a bit worse then the alternatives

but its not like theres any awful talents in it

true meme would at least take kspree + prep

[fickle relic]

i thought ho is garbage

ok then

[glass mortar]

its worse then non HO in every content

but like, its not 10% behind or anything

[frail veldt]

that says more about your feeling abilities lol

[glass mortar]

actually i have no clue how far it is behind other then knowing it is solidly enough behind that solo doesnt recommend it anywhere

but still has its build listed

that puts it in the 5-10% bracket in my eyes

[frail veldt]

8% I think

[fickle relic]

dps isn't bad too

[glass mortar]

u could always sim urself in both builds and see

🤷

irrelevant

it would be 8% higher if u were the right build playing the same way

[frail veldt]

8% is a pretty big loss

[glass mortar]

so if dps feels good to u now just imagine how it would feel if it was 8% higher

and if u dont care about that more power to u

[fickle relic]

that's why it's a meme build i suppose

[glass mortar]

yea i guess usually when i see people post meme builds its full shitpost

but ur 99% of the way to a normal ST HO build there so

[frail veldt]

I feel like meme builds usually have more ridiculous stuff like no Opportunity talents

[glass mortar]

^

[frail veldt]

this is just a bad build

haha

[gaunt phoenix]

No dice

[frail veldt]

gotta lean in more

[glass mortar]

like taking ho/fatebound with no audacity +kspre or something

[frail veldt]

yeah no dice

[glass mortar]

no dice talents

[gaunt phoenix]

remove loaded dice

[glass mortar]

we can go memer

[frail veldt]

no roll no pistols

GO MEMER

[gaunt phoenix]

The strongest talent in the tree

[glass mortar]

capstones suck anyway right what if we took 15% movespeed

[frail veldt]

then take subterfuge

[glass mortar]

it is an HO build

!!

[frail veldt]

OH SHIT

[keen belfry]

solo said he did 61k in his last dungeon right?

[frail veldt]

hes cooking

[glass mortar]

remove tea go subterfuge

[frail veldt]

MOBILITY BUILD

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes i did

Thoughts

[frail veldt]

nice thats what my bear tank does

[keen belfry]

i did 62k

[gaunt phoenix]

Wtf

[keen belfry]

i lost to tank on ST boss

thopughts?

[glass mortar]

those r my thots

was it a bear with a big thonker

ive heard bears are a little overwhelming rn

ive only played with a pala and veng dh tank

pala was also pumping tho he was doing 120-150k dps on the pulls he had wingso n

i thought he was our other dps until halfway thru the dungeon i realized he was the tank LMAO

[fickle relic]

was he a fresh one?

[keen belfry]

it was 0

tf??

[fickle relic]

is that good st dps?

[keen belfry]

seems fine cuh in minute long fights ur dps may vary a bit!

[glass mortar]

variance is just wacky ive def done that low but also more normally 40k+ i feel like

on the ST bosses if fought

theres hella variance in a 1-1.5m fight tho so better to compare dungeon overalls prob

[frail veldt]

yeah theyre def getting nerfed

[fickle relic]

i got my fun with ho, i guess i'm going back to normal now

[glass mortar]

u can keep playing it who knows what tuning will cause and also theres no serious content to push rn

[keen belfry]

i kinda wanna craft a 250 sword for fun

[glass mortar]

they rnt gunna know ur doing 8% less dps then ur best build

play whats fun

[fickle relic]

i mean they're both fun, i just like pressing ambush. well everything is good to press when it's not sinister strike

[glass mortar]

its so funny cold blooded killer still kept the blue hands

i wish supercharger had an animation

[warped hemlock]

are we gonna use dagger offhand?

[glass mortar]

ye

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[warped hemlock]

ty

[copper radish]

F a demo lock

[frail veldt]

whys your bte so low

[glass mortar]

his overall is fine

[copper radish]

RNG

[glass mortar]

its just random man

[frail veldt]

rip

[vivid vessel]

what do you do when you did all your hard preys

[glass mortar]

i dont think u can even tell from damage breakdown anymore

[vivid vessel]

and you arent capped

[frail veldt]

thats fucking awful ngl

[glass mortar]

capped on what

[vivid vessel]

in vet

thingy

[copper radish]

Was getting no ace procs 😭

[frail veldt]

hate that

[mystic berry]

random preys

[vivid vessel]

larias tells me im supposed to be capped in vet

[copper radish]

Only time BTE reset was gravedigger

[vivid vessel]

like normal preys

what is a random prey

[mystic berry]

Random hard preys, talk to astalor

[glass mortar]

i mean even when u look when bte is ur top source, melee, dispatch, MG are all like 1% margins behind or ahead of it

[vivid vessel]

aah

[glass mortar]

its all so tight that pure variance can change it up imo

[vivid vessel]

i didnt know that was a thign

[glass mortar]

lil annoying

[frail veldt]

yeah true, 1% is a lot though when its only doing 8%

[rare aspen]

I land on the trap see if the blob spawns or an enemy. Blob i pick up enemy i fly to the next

[copper radish]

Seems like BTE, Dispatch, Auto, and Blade rush all gonna be within the same

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel is your WA bnreaking dmg meter yet

[vivid vessel]

NO

[keen belfry]

how

[vivid vessel]

idk but i use details

[keen belfry]

maybe thats why

[vivid vessel]

do you have old weak auras

awang

[copper radish]

I had to go back to Details cause blizz dmg meter was shitting out bugsack errors and wasn’t even updating lmao

[keen belfry]

maybe my enhance pack broke it

[vivid vessel]

or did you wipe everything

[keen belfry]

my enhance pack has a maelstrom bar

that has aura buffs in iti think

but

if i only use the rogue pack it breaks it sitll

[stoic wagon]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/outlaw/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

is the renown trinket really that bad for outlaw?

[glass mortar]

it does not function at all in sims

the proc do not proc

[gaunt phoenix]

No, it doesnt proc correctly for rogues in sim

[glass mortar]

(for us)

[stoic wagon]

where would you place it personally then?

[keen belfry]

hmm @vivid vessel using details it doesnst break

[glass mortar]

i cant find rppm data on the proc on wowhead and we cant sim it so honestly who tf knows

im using it cause its high ilvl and i see its proc up constantly so it seems like its working for us ingame even if not in sims

[gaunt phoenix]

it's 4 rppm

[jolly geyser]

Replacing it in 1week + prolly anyway

[glass mortar]

ye

4 rppm.... 10s duration? so itll munch some procs probably but it should be closish to 50% uptime

that seems decent just looking at its budget

quickmaf

[grim spear]

Does this CD not have any spark?

[vivid vessel]

bro what is this fuckass quest

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

[glass mortar]

AHAHAAHAH

i love that one

[fluid meadow]

next level thing?que in battlenet

[vivid vessel]

bro its too hard

[jolly geyser]

Nice lil quest

collected the damn moths today, Dustlord title here

[glass mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-fortnite-dance-fortnite-memes-tangled-up-fortnite-tangled-up-gif-2993328747139041552

[mighty pivot]

the best part for this quest is that if you do it as a druid you can fly more or less normally

surely that's intentional

[untold yarrow]

are they changing outlaw next patch?

i mean reset

[hardy vault]

no tuning until 17th

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw +10%
blade flurry 25%

[vivid vessel]

bf + 25 ?

yes

[mighty pivot]

+25 base damage maybe

[stoic wagon]

bf uncapped

[flat pebble]

dream

[hasty warren]

no bf

[flat pebble]

and if we hit 2 times max roll the bones buff, we have 1% per combopoint to instant kill mobs, and bosses ( including raid bosses )

[keen belfry]

how do u cap veteran crests

[craggy barn]

random hunts

[keen belfry]

mike hunts

[mighty pivot]

best friend of mike litoris

[keen belfry]

what if i put pistol shot on cd bar

[frail veldt]

thats what I do

it shows it just like the buff p much

stacks and stuff

just doesnt show buff duration

[mental harness]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[buoyant stratus]

Skill issue

[craggy quiver]

15% aura buff

[copper radish]

Yes

10% aura buff and +25% to flurry? I’d take it

[mystic berry]

10% flurry with uncapped damage

No other changes

Also bf cost 10 more energy

[keen belfry]

kinda like having two generators right next to eachother eh

[frail veldt]

ye

noice

[keen belfry]

i do wish pistol should would grey out when no proc

[frail veldt]

you got dem high res icons

that would be nice

[mystic berry]

can you share your ui bro?

[keen belfry]

its mostly base cdm

[frail veldt]

share ui lol in midnight lol

[vivid vessel]

UGLY

[keen belfry]

you when u look into mirror 😄

[vivid vessel]

you icons are not even rectangular bro

what a loser

[keen belfry]

😄

[frail veldt]

why is everything so short

[keen belfry]

yours are too short

just like u irl

[frail veldt]

its like youre looking through a telescope at the icons

[vivid vessel]

its optimal for space allocation

[frail veldt]

the fuck is that

[wooden pilot]

vanish just there for vibes

[vivid vessel]

indeed

[mystic berry]

its like that greeting card scene in american psycho

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

[frail veldt]

bro your charges are hanging off the fucking icons

what are you even doing

clean yo shit up

[keen belfry]

zacs ui has to use arcui for buffs so therefore

its ass

[copper radish]

Arc UI is lmao

[vivid vessel]

well thats intended tho

but ye idk

i think its fine

its intended bud

[copper radish]

When are u selling us this

[vivid vessel]

soon

[gusty pagoda]

How do u track defensives? Just action bars?

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel this is all uj need i got u man

[frail veldt]

theyre on his nameplates

[vivid vessel]

hahaha

so ugly bro

[still matrix]

Does this look correct for outlaw?

[vivid vessel]

bro the fact you arent even skinning your icons

[frail veldt]

its missing fatebound

[still matrix]

yer i see

Just trickster

[keen belfry]

no cap how do u add border

[gusty pagoda]

How do u put stuff on your nameplate, does it need elvui?

[fickle relic]

is it worth dropping menacing rush for loaded dice + sleight of hand combo?

[frail veldt]

weak auras

[gaunt phoenix]

our tier set is 4-4.5% yes

[gusty pagoda]

But

They dead no?

[frail veldt]

you can try it and sim yourself

[vivid vessel]

maybe this is nice

[gaunt phoenix]

what are you looking at? the recommended builds use all 3 of those talents

[keen belfry]

ZAC

HOW DO U ADD BORDER

TO ICONS

[frail veldt]

are you using wa?

[keen belfry]

no]

[vivid vessel]

idk bro im using weak aura

[fickle relic]

still my "meme" build, just looking how to make it better without dropping ho

[vivid vessel]

why you asking me

[gusty pagoda]

Wait are wa's back

[frail veldt]

never left

theyre just weaker now

[gaunt phoenix]

strictly speaking sleight of hand should not be better than menacing rush

[frail veldt]

weaker auras

[gusty pagoda]

Ah wtf i just deleted the addon

[frail veldt]

the addon doesnt work

you need a fork

[gusty pagoda]

[gaunt phoenix]

it's called m33kauras

[vivid vessel]

i dont think its for normal users

i think if you find it yourself you can use it

otherwise you will prolly not even be able to use it

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not on curseforge, it's on github, it's a fork of weakauras that can still do some stuff

[random stirrup]

its mostly just old warcraftrecorder functionality from what i can tell

and warcraftrecorder is the goat

hope archon doesnt blow it up

[gusty pagoda]

Does blizz allow that?

[frail veldt]

why not use nvidia shadowplay?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, it can only do what blizzard allows

[vivid vessel]

thats not the interesting part lol

its the fact its merged with logs

[frail veldt]

what blizz allows is what blizz provides in their api

[vivid vessel]

so you can go to deaths etc

[frail veldt]

aaaaaaaaaaaaah

thats cool

[vivid vessel]

or casts

or things

[frail veldt]

v nice

wonder how lightweight it is

[fickle relic]

sorry for asking here, but how do i change my talents on simming site?

[random stirrup]

its integrated with combat logs and auto splits the vods, can click to specific wipes and provides deaths/wipe%/kill/killtimer

plus the new stuff zac mentioned

[gaunt phoenix]

the reason weakauras disappeared is because the weakaura author decided to discontinue it instead of remaking the entire thing it to be compatible with blizzard stuff, which you know, is fair

so someone else is kinda doing it

[gusty pagoda]

So they can potentially create a new addon in the future?

[frail veldt]

well someone is already doing it

but yeah it might come back to curseforge eventually

[vivid vessel]

also because most things cant be done

you cant do buffs

and you cant do conditions

basically

[gaunt phoenix]

ye i know

[vivid vessel]

conditions being a big part of the addon

[dark ember]

WA isn't kind of dead it's completely dead. Begin the grieving process.

It gets into technical lingo but basically Ion's vision for Midnight has made things like WA impossible going forward.

It's not a "maybe they'll figure it out" thing it's just a plain design goal that things like WA being impossible from a technical level.

[frail veldt]

umm

[vivid vessel]

umm

[frail veldt]

I mean it still has some value

which is why people use it

the fork that is

its definitely not completely dead

[dark ember]

??? There's a midnight fork???

[frail veldt]

my boy

you sounded so confident

[dark ember]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

I call Nuh Uh on that

[frail veldt]

go read up dog

m33kauras

[dark ember]

🔍

[vivid vessel]

my ui without weak aura

my ui with weak aura

[gleaming grove]

If I have a 250 mainhand sword from prey, would it be okay to craft a dagger offhand as my first craft?
-# (with the chance that I might play the other 2 specs troughout the seasion anyways)
Or should I just craft a one-hand sword and have 2 relatively high ilevel onehanders?

[gaunt phoenix]

i would still craft a mythic mainhand

unless you forsee getting one

You dont have to craft right now

[gleaming grove]

thats also true

[fluid meadow]

okay so how do u avoid lowilvl players later on keys, possible to check them somehow with addon without inspecting them? or just compare their hp?

[vivid vessel]

did they changed these kind of achiev

used to be avg ilvl

[frail veldt]

was it?

[dark ember]

Huge discovery, thank you cowboy rogue discord. Will look into this......

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

thought it was always that way

[vivid vessel]

this

[dark ember]

Gonna take credit for it when I tell my guild hope that's okay

[vivid vessel]

it was avg ilvl

so you could cheese it

[frail veldt]

it literally says at least

[vivid vessel]

ye but it wasnt

[frail veldt]

ah

[vivid vessel]

thats just the text

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not a magic secret to doing what old weakauras could do

[lone crow]

[vivid vessel]

now it checks every slot

[gleaming grove]

Suffered trough a Murder Row m0 with a 198 DDH in the team last boss wasn't fun without a 3rd dps.
Definitely check gear and HP.

[vivid vessel]

jealous?

stay mad noob

[lone crow]

gonna report u for cheating

enjoy perma noob

but how

[vivid vessel]

no !

https://github.com/m33shoq/M33kAuras/releases

[lone crow]

wtf

[celest cobalt]

When do m+ go live?

[gaunt phoenix]

17th

NA

[celest cobalt]

Ok, thanks

[fair topaz]

isn't 17th stillt m0 but normal + hc raid opens?

[vivid vessel]

yes

m+ is the week after

[gaunt phoenix]

oh

i lied

[vivid vessel]

its m0 daily

the 17

[gaunt phoenix]

boring

[celest cobalt]

Rip thats what I was afraid of

2 more weeks of this boring shit

[glass mortar]

ok but when delve open

thats all that rlly matters

[formal knot]

17th is the day to get delve hall of fame

GO GO GO

[mighty pivot]

that's a different kind of achievement buddy, superior/epic for each expansion have always been per slot

[vivid vessel]

ok buddy

i didnt knmow

fuck you !

[gaunt phoenix]

ye buddy

[dark ember]

I was worried about the 15% chance of a tornado in my area, but then I remembered that upgraded Jackpot is probably 15%, and I never get that so I'll be fine.

[mighty pivot]

which talent gives tornado

[dark ember]

Rust Belt

[mighty pivot]

my condolences

beans

[jolly geyser]

🫘

[craggy barn]

who else still wearing dimmy ring

[glass mortar]

i got rid of all my old expac gear

its a new expac get with the times bozos

old content should be BANNED

[mighty pivot]

except old gems because those are still good

[gaunt phoenix]

i still use old crafted ring

There is nothing

[glass mortar]

im not using any gems rn

i guess necks come with a socket tho

i should go put one in it

im sure they will buff the amounts of secondaries from midnight gems to make us want to use them tho

definitly not just filter out TWW gems to not work in level 90 gear

[river wing]

this is a different achievement bruv
you still get the avg ilvl ones as feats of strength, this one is for the whole expac, same as it ever was (I think they had this back in WotLk even)

also lmao how good old gems are, they are 1 secondary behind best blue Midnight gems which is nothing

like you lose 6 stat total max, in a game where they're measured in hundreds

[jovial sedge]

is there a reason to not already craft a main hand? waiting for heroic loot? but why tho

[vivid vessel]

guys ..

[river wing]

the only real reason is "what if they nerf outlaw into the dirt and I'll have to swap"

[river wing]

holy shit knifango

[fluid meadow]

yeah, can't use wep enchants but gems are so overtuned rn, interesting

[cinder relic]

Unless u just want to play outlaw, sin could get an 80% buff on buff patch yk

Then it's like, play sin or die atp

Might as well just wait

[analog radish]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[next wedge]

god i always forget poisons

my WA always told me to do them and im a fraud without them

[frail veldt]

theres an addon for that

[vivid vessel]

wa?

[frail veldt]

can wa do that even?

is a buff

[vivid vessel]

ye but

they unsecreted

all the raid buffs

and shit

[frail veldt]

oh out of combat

nice

well there ya go then

[vivid vessel]

well not just out of combat

its just not secret

these things

[frail veldt]

interesting

[mystic berry]

Something about, what if you drop a weapon on your first kill

Also, no reason to do so exactly now

M0 is all there is to do that requires gear

crafting right now is pure anxiety

[frail veldt]

does the raid come out next week?

[vivid vessel]

no

yes

which next week

also its hc

hc the 17th

[craggy barn]

dw outlaw will get 100% dmg aura buff

[humble hatch]

Does running out of energy all the time in dungeons get better with haste? If so how much haste is needed, im currently at 14% with 235 ilvl

[patent mirage]

i believe they could bump up the gain from ff

[glass mortar]

20% ish, maybe up or down a bit

[frail veldt]

25% ideally but s1 youll only be able to get up to 20ish

[glass mortar]

i believe its in the guides

and yes it gets better

[frail veldt]

it improves but energy is still an issue

[glass mortar]

u can always run out of energy with a bit of bad luck tho

[frail veldt]

a lot of it comes down to not making any rotational mistakes too

[vital orbit]

yo quick question, a lot of people are using the sensei resource bars right? Is there a way to let a bar show the blade flurry duration?

[glass mortar]

and i find im usually out of tea charges/struggling to maintain anything by the time we reach the last 20% of a dungeon

[frail veldt]

since we are very on the edge of energy stability, if you are making rotational mistakes it can compound to running out of energy

[mystic berry]

Atleast its a great way to know if you are fucking up your rotation

[fickle relic]

how far is flames of the sin'dorei enchant below the recommended ones?

[gaunt phoenix]

idk about 14% but with like 18% you really should only starve on energy like 5% of the time

I did m0 with 17-19% and could count on 1 hand where i stalled to nothing

[humble hatch]

Seems fair, just making sure its not me buthering the rotation completely, as im trying to be effective with adren and such

[frail veldt]

its probably a little of both

[humble hatch]

Most likely ._.

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm pretty sure outlaw is harder than people think it is

[gaunt phoenix]

probably under 1%

[glass mortar]

only times it feels hard is when im trying to figure out how to react to an SS during AR and the second hit proc isnt showing up for a 400 ms delay

[glass mortar]

maybe thats why they changed it

[fickle relic]

oh, i just was about to try to sim it myself, thanks

[quiet ore]

I did m0s at 11% haste - it sucks sometimes, but, like, not all the time.

[frail veldt]

yeah esp in aoe I havent had energy issues

[craggy barn]

outlaw has a pretty fundamentally different play style compared to like most every class, so its likely to be more difficult getting into esp coming from other specs

[gaunt phoenix]

i often wonder if people are seeing the supercharged cps and sending a finisher at 2

[frail veldt]

Ive def seen people ask that question

which means theres probably a lot of people doing it and not asking

[glass mortar]

i feel like its a little misleading it even lights up those CP anymore

[gaunt phoenix]

though i wonder how big of a deal that even is lol

[glass mortar]

should just have a normal buff indicator

or something

[craggy barn]

u tc solo go check

[quiet ore]

Still counts as 5 for gravedigger/coins, right

[gaunt phoenix]

it should

[craggy barn]

i would not be surprised if people sent at 1 and 2 during super charger bc of how old ER worked

[gaunt phoenix]

unless game bugged

but if they finish at blue 1cp then no coin

[quiet ore]

I miss my WA that redid the supercharger UI to put 2-3 extra CP at the end of the bar instead of highlighting the first two for some reason

Ah well

[frail veldt]

I think people need to probably conceptualize it as a damage buff to their next finisher

and not relate it to CPs at all

seems to confuse the hell out of players haha

[craggy barn]

it defaults showing on cp like old er

[frail veldt]

yeah I know its kinda problematic

[craggy barn]

so its just fucked if u dknt know how it works

[vivid vessel]

i mean only if you played old er

[glass mortar]

at the minimum if they made it light up the last combo points

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess since adrenaline rush fills your CPs, it's not possible to mess up the 2nd cp

[glass mortar]

even if u tried to play around it the old way it wouldnt mess you up too much

should probably just be a normal buff with 2 stacks at this point tho

[quiet ore]

And after sending an effective 10cp btte, you'll always start with 2cp from ruthlessness

[frail veldt]

well it still says it adds cps

so its not necessarily unintuitive to think that it should be treated as if its that cp level

for finisher rules and such

[vivid vessel]

i mean

not really

it says it act as if it spent more

[craggy barn]

yea but thinking people read

[vivid vessel]

also the old one did say you needed to consume the points

[frail veldt]

faq says finish at 5, SC says adds 3 cp. If im at 2 cp with sc then I should probably finish

[vivid vessel]

this one doesnt

[frail veldt]

thats not a bad train of thought

[craggy barn]

theres enough room to misconstrue what the blue cp means to do

and it doesnt properly reflect how sc actually works

[vivid vessel]

yes but blizzard is lazy so

[quiet ore]

But for real, I did one m0 with 11% haste on trickster, and that was a mistake. Trickster just bottoms out more often - KS felt like it helped, but it was in a "I need KS soon to pool to save me" territory way more often than with FB

[frail veldt]

the lows on trickster are BRUTAL

[gaunt phoenix]

oof

[vivid vessel]

trickster also doesnt have funny cps rules

so its broing

[grim spear]

finally figured out what I was doing wrong

[quiet ore]

Trickster probably should have rules designed to extend flawless form now that it's not async, but, like, effort

[grim spear]

Now I can consistently perform a bit above the sim results.

[frail veldt]

isnt it 100% uptime

[quiet ore]

Not....quite...

Not right now anyway

You can get poor aa reset rng and lose your 5-stack

[gaunt phoenix]

what happened

[glass mortar]

how are u gunna play around extending the windows tho

[grim spear]

not blade rush on cd

[glass mortar]

just.... not press builders?

dont all our builders spend it now?

[quiet ore]

Send KS at lower CP if it would save the buff

[glass mortar]

i guess

thats like, a 1-2 gcd difference in duration everytime kspree comes around

could be possible with how low value a spell it is to begin with

[quiet ore]

In reality you can also drop is because coup only gives 5x flawless if the target is already fazed

[glass mortar]

yup

[quiet ore]

So if your main target dies, get rekt

Buff is dropping

[glass mortar]

im sorry did you want blizzard to not dick you for target swapping?

[grim spear]

I misunderstood the meaning of energy.base_time_to_max > 2, so I ended up pressing BR only when my energy was already very low.

[glass mortar]

they removed most of the dicking

all thats left is tricksters

[gaunt phoenix]

no it shouldnt require fazed

that was changed

[keen belfry]

solo you mentioned something about how sitting on bf cd is never worth it in aoe, does that mnean u send BF at 5+ cp when gonna BTE?

[random stirrup]

the tooltip was changed

[quiet ore]

Did they change it back? Because it sure seems like I only get 5 sometimes

[random stirrup]

the functionality was not

[gaunt phoenix]

[keen belfry]

basically you ignore combo points when pressing bf?

[glass mortar]

i thot on beta it still required the target be fazed

culd be bug tho

[vivid vessel]

what

these fuckass

useless

im not playing trickster

[random stirrup]

its ok tho they fixed aoe blind to work like the tooltip

[vivid vessel]

cringe af

[glass mortar]

they been fixing bugs like crazy cuh surely they fix this next week reset

[quiet ore]

I mean, we lost our AoE stop because they forgot to update a tooltip and then thought it was an implementation bug later so

[vivid vessel]

we are keeping the cp delay for 3 expac

[glass mortar]

that is not how i read that

i read that as "they removed our aoe stop but forgot implementing its removal" and then bugfixed it

the bug was that blind was aoe

idk y ud think otherwise there is nowhere in the game that implies blind can aoe other then that talents tooltip and it making blind aoe was specifically removed from the tooltip

[random stirrup]

it's the same situation in that a tooltip was changed but they didn't implement the change in game, just so happens that one was a positive mistake and one was a negative one

[glass mortar]

sure yea it is the same situation i agree

meaning they will definitly fix this one

next reset

100p

[vivid vessel]

def

[glass mortar]

wheres vai

[vivid vessel]

they will also fix the cp delay

[glass mortar]

99.9% chance

[vivid vessel]

[random stirrup]

listen it was absolutely mandatory that rogue, king of m+ utility, lost aoe blind

[glass mortar]

ok 98.9% chance ill be reasonable

[random stirrup]

extremely high prio fix

[glass mortar]

my best wishes for whatever dev made the blind design choice is please never design for my class again thanks

[plush grove]

I feel like outlaw is pretty well tuned

[random stirrup]

now we can take gouge and rejoice

[quiet ore]

You can take away AoE blind if you want, but give me back AoE kidney then please thanks - having zero AoE cc has to be unacceptable at this point

[gaunt phoenix]

i would still bf at 5cps

but i feel like being at 5cps with bf ready basically doesnt happen

[glass mortar]

yup for sure

[quiet ore]

Literally going to have to race change dracthyr

[random stirrup]

aoe stops are for more downtrodden, utility lacking classes to have. like mage or dk

[glass mortar]

its crazy playing these dungeons and immediatly i was like haha well look at all these casters i pulled and i cant do sheeeeeeeet gl everyone else

not even being able to contribute meaningfully is so lame

[keen belfry]

what about after apex and ur at 6? would u rather bte or bf for the dmg?

id guess the points are better

[gaunt phoenix]

at 6?

you finish?

or

[glass mortar]

awang.....

[random stirrup]

the amount of times i blinded only to remember was quite high actually

[vivid vessel]

well you see rogue utility in tww was too op

[glass mortar]

finish at 6+ awang........

[vivid vessel]

can ask any high key pushed

they will tell youi

[glass mortar]

6 is 6+.......

[vivid vessel]

rogue was the msot desirable class

[keen belfry]

• the guy who said wed never save bte for AR

[vital orbit]

On the trickster opener, why do I have to open with dispatch after AR instead of BTE? new to this

[glass mortar]

no i said id never

and i dont

😠

and u cant make me

[quiet ore]

To collect your slice and dice buff

[keen belfry]

u just mentioned the whole bf cdr thing is value cuz it does more dmg sinc eour bf does less

[gaunt phoenix]

you need to get slice and dice

SND is casted by dispatch

you can either do that or just AR + SND directly before the pull

[keen belfry]

so i was curious if it completely ignored finisher rules

[vital orbit]

thank you

[gaunt phoenix]

but if you AR SND you need to untarget the mob or it flips a coin at them and pulls

on trash who cares but in raid prolly dont do that

[quiet ore]

I still instinctively slam my blind bind only to blind just the one guy I'm on and not the 3 other casters. It's a vibe.

[random stirrup]

it was also never the guy casting too

good times

[quiet ore]

Gotta go back to the olden-times mouseover blind macro to ranged stop high prio stuff I guess

[gaunt phoenix]

tbf using bf at 6 doesnt seem to move dps anyway

cause nothing matters i guess

[keen belfry]

yeah so probs worth it in big pulls?

[vivid vessel]

well cause it doesnt hapopen no?

you get your cds back after a finisher

like 90% of the time

we build in 1 gcd

when are you ever caught with bf ready but its not after a finisher

[gaunt phoenix]

i was about to say apex but that puts you at 7cp

[keen belfry]

it happens with stuff like AR too

[quiet ore]

Ace proc?

1pt ace

[keen belfry]

its not often but enough for me to notice it

[vivid vessel]

i mean whatever you are at 3 cps with ace anywya

[gaunt phoenix]

ace is still "after a finisher"

[vivid vessel]

sure but then you are low cp you can press bf

its not like you were max cp there

[keen belfry]

i could totally see on a pull likke algethar first pull BF on cd > finisher rules

right?

[vivid vessel]

i cant

because this doesnt happen like that ?

idk

[quiet ore]

BF is hard capped, no?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[keen belfry]

i thought its rpess wasnt

the press

[quiet ore]

And blade rush, the uncapped one, ain't a builder

[glass mortar]

BR isnt

[quiet ore]

You can press that whenever

[gaunt phoenix]

being at 5-6cp with bf ready as the next action happens once every 10 minutes it seems

[glass mortar]

LMAO

[vivid vessel]

holy shmokerino

[glass mortar]

yea that sounds about right

[keen belfry]

why did i think that BF press was uncapped

[vivid vessel]

idk

noob

[glass mortar]

cause it has a sick sound effect and it feels uncapped in our hearts

🥹

[gaunt phoenix]

it is good damage either way

[glass mortar]

nvm

[subtle void]

yo guys i was thinking about something is using pistol shot when u to far away from the boss cause an abilty to dodge or idk worth it or no ?

[glass mortar]

i cant keep doing this to myself

[vapid sundial]

Just make bf a toggle

[glass mortar]

every day realizing almost any outlaw spell would be improved by just giving it two charges

and would make the spec more pleasant to play as well

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are full on energy you can pistol shot, otherwise just pool energy for when you get back in melee

[vapid sundial]

Me channeling ks twice in a row and doing absolutely nothing

[glass mortar]

u wouldnt need to tho thats y charges so amazing

[subtle void]

okok ty

[glass mortar]

anytime kspree came up at a bad time when u didnt wanna cast that spell? long as ur not overcapping charges ur good

i wouldnt fight for kspree 2 charges but it would still be a minor improvement

[vapid sundial]

I still wouldn't. Play

[glass mortar]

u could even play around keeping fazed up

[vapid sundial]

I will not play outlaw when it uses ks

Terrible spell

[glass mortar]

true

the goblin in me prays they keep trickster undertuned because i dont wanna give up quad grapple again nor play kspree ever again

not until they give it a real rework instead of a half baked, feedback ignoring one

[quiet ore]

Current ks isn't terrible - no camera or movement jank. Castable while moving. Only complaint is the rng targeting, but that's kinda whatever most of the time

[lilac lion]

hey i look for an Addon that Remindes me of ADR if is off cooldown? is there any?

[vapid sundial]

Having a cast on outlaw reels terrible.

I hate it

[glass mortar]

its a 3 second cast bar in the middle of my outlaw rogue, it feels like its doing no damage, its animation is jank, for some reason it slows you and it reduces ur prio damage

[vapid sundial]

I hated when we had to use gt and that one nuke trinket from 10.1

[glass mortar]

its the worst spell we have other then old kspree and i would love to just be rid of it

[vapid sundial]

The only reason I liked GT is bc I had the funny weak aura when my teammate died

[glass mortar]

some dev took a challenge of "how can i make kspree awful while not making it murder you"

[vapid sundial]

I'm not sure what the obsession with KS is Tbh

They tried in 9.0

[glass mortar]

i mean its a very old spell

some would call it iconic

[vapid sundial]

Then saw we all hated it

[glass mortar]

no icon of mine but im sure some people like it

[vapid sundial]

They tried in 10.0

We hated it..

Then they tried again, guess what!

[glass mortar]

u know they didnt try very hard uve gotta give it to them

we got a new spell, and then they did exactly what they told us theyd do before we even got it (probably increase the cd), and then

they buffed it and nerfed it 15 times and no other changes at all

good iteration guys

[vapid sundial]

Literally the reason I liked ks in 9.0 was because of prideful

[glass mortar]

we are doing the thing

[vapid sundial]

I would use it during the orbs on me

And try to hit my group

"I'm going bowling"

[quiet ore]

You didn't use KS for knock back immunity during DF?

[glass mortar]

kinda crazy the kspree we are using right now is the exact same version we had night 2 of the promised kspree rework and the only thing thats changed about it is the base damage no? @vivid vessel

didnt even get minor iteration in 12.0

[vivid vessel]

is it

crazy

[glass mortar]

i think that means its just locked in forawhile

[vivid vessel]

everything they have released the past expac since tww

has been

no iteration

i mean even in df

[gaunt phoenix]

they already lost the code for that ks

[vivid vessel]

they just throw stuffs

and whatever

good luck

[vapid sundial]

I think

The devs forget outlaw exists

Unless it somehow does top dmg (Especially during heroic week)

Then they have to nerf us

[glass mortar]

crackshot got 1 lick of iteration

changing over from dance was good

wish i coulda seen what they cooked with a little more effort

[craggy barn]

idk we got an ion shoutout months ago

[river wing]

yeah, as a "problem"

[vapid sundial]

That guy nerfs raids based on his guilds prog

I don't want to hear his opinions

[muted crest]

damage profile seems like last season? aoe kinda decent st shit?

[mighty pivot]

KS isn't even good to regain energy tbh because it stops your autos and flourish is so much energy

[glass mortar]

never really got that 1

wouldnt u want devs to be nerfing bosses based on their experience playing at a more casual pace then the hardcore gamers

for mythic anyway

directly playing the boss fight with 19 other gamers and experiencing it seems like a decent way to make end of season nerfs no?

[vapid sundial]

I would rather them do more than consistently nerf based on where his guild struggles

[glass mortar]

they definitly do way more then that tho?

i thought ions guild was pretty slow to prog generally

[quiet ore]

I'm pretty sure numbers buffs and nerfs aren't "experience based" but rather fall out from aggregate data at this point...

[glass mortar]

they nerf fights way before he gets to them

and then sometimes after as well

[vapid sundial]

But they've also nerfed based on his guild multiple times

Is what I'm saying

[glass mortar]

sure

is there any boss fight that was too redic to do until he got to it? i guess ive always got the energy the ion guildnerfs were like... late season helping some final guilds get over the CE finish line type nerfs

not the basic tuning we get after the race/mid season

[vapid sundial]

There's just been multiple instances of his guild struggling to even get by something, so they nerf it, then his guild insta kills

[craggy barn]

do u want devs to play the game and see places to be tuned or just wholesale data and discord opinions

[cinder relic]

I don't think using his guild as a benchmark for "when a boss needs nerfs" is that unreasonable

[vapid sundial]

don't think the majority of devs even play

I know GMs definitely don't

[craggy barn]

so whats wrong with ion playing and seeing places that need to be tuned directly

[balmy topaz]

What’s the best way to m0 just each dungeon individually like can you even sim the 4 that aren’t in season?

[glass mortar]

i get the feeling that its like "oh wow they wait to get to this boss and then if its too hard they nerf just so ion can KILL it"

but like... people often complain the devs dont even play the game/classes

i feel like having an actual dev mythic raiding at a less then bleeding edge level, then nerfing the bosses based on their prog halfway thru the season

is not an unreasonable metric to use

[craggy barn]

like if ion can telhen kill it, other people can then kill it, i dont see an issue here

[patent mirage]

people are over reacting

[cinder relic]

That's like the most negative way to spin it yeah

[patent mirage]

damned if you , damned if you dont

[glass mortar]

well idk what to say

i guess i should say its a fine metric

[cinder relic]

I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be "by the time ions guild gets to it and is struggling, maybe it needs a Nerf"

[glass mortar]

like its not the best i could imagine, i dont really get all the memes people make out of it tho

[vapid sundial]

I think the problem is we have to wait until his guild gets to it

Is what I'm saying

[patent mirage]

we even got the crowd about housing

[vivid vessel]

you guys saw that game

[craggy barn]

what rank is his guild

[vivid vessel]

you can do wow raid

[patent mirage]

"we loose content because of housing "

[vivid vessel]

in this

its kinda cool

[vapid sundial]

I mean housing eats Dev time and budget so it's probably true

[glass mortar]

if he was like a HoF level person I could see this being annoying but I feel like his guild is more in the semi casual mythic range???

[rotund haven]

Are yall sending “ace” procs ay any CP or do we want to build up back to 6+ CP before using the proc?

[vapid sundial]

Paid hours are paid hours

[patent mirage]

nop

[glass mortar]

maybe thats old info tho

[glass mortar]

build, you send at 6+

always

[vapid sundial]

What do you mean "no"

[rotund haven]

Figured so, ty

[keen belfry]

mhm but what if they are completely different devs

[patent mirage]

thats now how it works bro

[keen belfry]

thoughts?

[vapid sundial]

Yeah but budget is budget

[keen belfry]

yeah but what if they are on diifferent budgets

[glass mortar]

it would only eat dev time budget if u had the same devs working on both housing and raid fight design

which could happen, and we have no way of knowing if it does

[vapid sundial]

Why are you being dense

[glass mortar]

but its not an absolute truth

[keen belfry]

acting like you know is worse than being dense imo

[patent mirage]

they got different teams doing things

[keen belfry]

yeah

[vapid sundial]

There's a very real chance housing budget could have come from somewhere else

Being on a different team doesn't matter

Resources are still split and allocated

[patent mirage]

it does

[keen belfry]

yes but what if ur wrong ryker

[prisma lantern]

I thought the housing budget came from tree micro transactions.

[glass mortar]

they probably got the whole art team working on housing so im not worried

[vapid sundial]

But what if I'm not

[glass mortar]

based on how clearly not a single artist looked at any of the new UI stuff they made

[patent mirage]

if

[glass mortar]

[vapid sundial]

I mean I'm pretty sure I'm not knowing how budgets work

[keen belfry]

thats my pooint

u dont know and i dont

[vapid sundial]

I very much doubt they gave a chunk out of thin air towards housing

Rather than cutting some corners

[river wing]

tbh it's aggravating that KS isn't like Warrior Bladestorm (which keeps doing autos and allows you to Pummel/Storm Bolt through it)

[river wing]

I figure the actual gameplay designers are likely very much not busy with housing

[zinc briar]

Which will be the best rogue spec for raid??

[river wing]

because there's like
almost zero systems there and nothing much left to do

[vapid sundial]

Did you even read or are you Just yapping

"Nothing left to do"

[river wing]

check back on 17th or whenever

[vapid sundial]

Yeah okay

Balance is piss poor, ui is terrible

[river wing]

balance for housing???

[patent mirage]

oh no

its happening again

[vapid sundial]

Go read what was actually said

If you people don't understand budgets and how a new team could take away resources from another I can't help you

You're just doomed

[patent mirage]

no bro

[river wing]

IDK if Blizz do budgeting per feature team tbh

[patent mirage]

you are just dooming out of nowhere now

[cinder relic]

Outlaw or sub unless big sin buffs

[vapid sundial]

?

I'm dooming bc outlaw is shit

What do u mean

[cinder relic]

Outlaw felt good in keys idk

Er m0s

[craggy barn]

thinking outlaw will be better if they budget into balancing pepw

[vivid vessel]

cant remember the last time outlaw wasnt the best spec in m0s

[cinder relic]

Idt balance feels any better or worse than usual

[vapid sundial]

Well thats a separate issue in of itself

[vapid sundial]

Guardian druid?

[cinder relic]

I don't think housing is why demo or mage are overtuned

[zinc briar]

Yeah, and the beta god

[cinder relic]

I don't know how to say this without coming off as rude, but like, is this your first expac

[vapid sundial]

Idk I've never gone into an expac and had a tank actually doing more dmg than dps

[vivid vessel]

did you guys unlock the pangolin thing tho

[prisma lantern]

I would love to be a fly on the wall in those balance discussions.

Like someone went into a meeting in beta and said "we need to nerf Arms." And then everyone else looked at their case and agreed.

[vapid sundial]

All the way from bfa

[cinder relic]

Every expac launch is a bit unbalanced. Theyll fix it

[prisma lantern]

I want to know what that case was. 😂

[zinc briar]

Then when game is live and full gear, worst dps and 0 aoe in big pulls

[cinder relic]

Guardian is ofc the outlier rn but a lot of tanks rn do a lot of fucking damage

[patent mirage]

some people fall too much in the outrage trap

[vapid sundial]

Or they'll make the best class even better like s1 tww

[cinder relic]

Like our group had been with a dk and paladin and both were also dealing unreal amounts of aoe damage

[river wing]

like I know how some gamedevs do their budgeting and it's basically more of an area of focus, rather than feature as such
so housing is likely just another area for the next patch or w/e, which is expected to eat X work hours from certain development teams, most likely the 3d art team with minimal GD involvement (like maybe pricing and recipes for craftables, I guess, but I'm not sure if they have the same GDs doing crafting and classes)

[zinc briar]

Yes, like last exp raiding in mythic with outlaw. Worst dps of every boss

[cinder relic]

I don't think housing is why guardian druid is overtuned

[zinc briar]

"launch"

[cinder relic]

Yeah ig man

[muted crest]

i want to disable housing hate to deal with housing items fuq u blzz

[thorny zinc]

just be better than the people ur raiding with and then ur spec looks good

[vapid sundial]

You can't seriously expect me to trust blizzard balance team

[river wing]

real
that's how I played Rogue for the last expac

[cinder relic]

I'm not telling you to

I'm saying the current balance doesn't feel abnormal

[river wing]

I only had to beat like three people in the entire raid to look good, the rest were hopelessly behind

[cinder relic]

The balance feels about how it always does

Which is: far from perfect

[zinc briar]

I was the worst dps of the guild doing 99 in dimensius reclear

[vapid sundial]

Feels worse than usual to me.

Bear is just crazy

[cinder relic]

I'll bet you 5 dollars it gets nerfed

[fathom bramble]

normally we would have had a 1st pass tuning pass by now

[cinder relic]

A crisp bill

[thorny zinc]

I mean like dim legit was anti outlaw boss even if we were the best tuned spec

[fathom bramble]

but on this particular cycle blizzard announced no tuning until the 17th so

it's no surprise that the normally chaotic launch tuning is around for a couple extra weeks

[vapid sundial]

Figuring out how to heroic week nerf outlaw

[craggy barn]

heroic week outlaw nerfs is a tradition for expac start

[vapid sundial]

Anyway, my whole point is, given how incompetent blizzard is a lot of the time, it wouldn't surprise me if the way they do budgeting is also incompetent, cannibalism if you will.

[zinc briar]

They have to focus on housing

The real high end now

[fathom bramble]

pretty sure all housing did was consume the pet battle team

it's not like they are making new things for housing for the most part

[vapid sundial]

So cannibalism

[patent mirage]

you know what

[fathom bramble]

it's just game assets moved to a different system that the player can use

[patent mirage]

im going to put this guy on ignore no point talking

[vapid sundial]

Go ahead

No one cares

[patent mirage]

"reeeee"

[fathom bramble]

sort of

it's probably more like the team in charge of casual focused content

[craggy barn]

A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY BEING A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY who woulda thought

[fathom bramble]

is moving to a different casual content

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-blocked-superiority-complex-thanos-gif-22859838

[patent mirage]

a company has greed

no it cant be

shocking

mcdonalds was your friend all along

[craggy barn]

blizzard is big enough to have a fuck ton of red tape that fucks over things

[vapid sundial]

Is blizzard even public

[craggy barn]

acti-bliz-king is yes

[fathom bramble]

also the people that should be doing balancing require a massively different skill set from porting an asset to the housing catalogue lol