outlaw

[wintry solar]

(it is)

[cinder relic]

Even on good outlaw tiers it doesn't get played

Most prog rogue players just default to not prepping it

U have the specialists that play it when they can but most rogues aren't really practiced on it. It's like survival, or feral

[wintry solar]

Please consult the graph

Behold

The average PvEr mindset

[mystic berry]

hide that shit

Ele shaman on top

[wintry solar]

Ignore the specs

That's not important

[copper rover]

Am i wrong or are the dungeons not good for gearing outlaw because there are nearly no crit hast items and with the min hast you almost need it everywhere right?

[quaint mauve]

popo

do i get mexican food, chipotle, OR a pizza

[wintry solar]

Hmmmmm

Depends on the pizza tbh

[quaint mauve]

it’d be dominos

8.99 large pizza

[wintry solar]

Ooooooo

Pizza

I like Dominos

[cinder relic]

Yes but also no

Ilvl is still king so

[copper rover]

Yeah but im collecting mastery and slowly watching my haste dropping to 15%

If the energyproblem would be that bad it wouldnt matter but yeah that might be a wish and not more

[quaint mauve]

WAIT good choice

i have enough points for

a free pizza

[leaden sonnet]

People not ignoring the specs just makes the chart even better ngl

[wintry solar]

You're so right for that lol

[still matrix]

In aoe build what do we drop to take prep?

kir?

[gaunt phoenix]

2nd point in sumarilritlkly disptapcfher

[keen belfry]

well said

[gaunt phoenix]

i hate typing that name

[wintry solar]

I've been making a lot of good choices lately

Surely and I mean SURELY I can keep this up forever

[quaint mauve]

yo awang

[keen belfry]

yo

[quaint mauve]

how do you feel abt me diana abusing

[keen belfry]

cringe

[quaint mauve]

diana mid is like

true midlaner bro

[keen belfry]

last diana mid i played with was 1/4/3 in 37 minutes

[quaint mauve]

how

that champ farms solo kills

for free

[keen belfry]

griefer

yup cringe

[quaint mauve]

there’s a 21/4 game right below this too

i think in almost all these games

i dive every laner level 3

and kill

100 to 0

champs balanced

[undone notch]

Loaded into a zone and now my wangbar addon no work, pain

[keen belfry]

whats it say!

[celest cobalt]

wangbar is life. Thanks so much m8

Default rogue ui is 0/10

[mighty pivot]

funny how arms is back there again

[wintry solar]

Is it?

Idk, I've never met a smart warrior personally

[still matrix]

Is there an easy tier 6 delve for rogue to farm?

[frigid pelican]

So tried murder row and had a hard time with the last boss. What do you guys do?

[mighty pivot]

what did you struggle with?

[frigid pelican]

Like what our role should be in the fight. Stay on her? Move to adds?

Think our adds were to spread out so that didn’t help

[crimson scarab]

you should nuke the fiend add

and cleave the small ones

i believe

and dont take the portal until adds are down, otherwise they get a haste buff

[frigid pelican]

Thanks

[agile quiver]

is there one of those charts of where we can get gear for each slot this season?

[fleet mantle]

Is it common for outlaw lovers to just play outlaw and ignore the other specs because of the gearing and style differences regardless of balance ?

[agile quiver]

that's what I do

but I'm also not very good

[lime lake]

i dont think they care much about druid

[copper radish]

got myself to 20.04% haste gotta keep pushing lmao

[twin steeple]

Tank movement carries. Having big infernal miles away when the imps & gate spawn is golden. If so, you safely zugzug the smallies.

Also, stack imps circles. Go into 2 or 3stack with Feint up.

[cinder relic]

I used to be like this but I learned to enjoy all the specs for different reasons

[olive roost]

is it okay to use adrenaline rush if i have 3 combo points?

[vocal basalt]

Hey gang kinda new to outlaw. Is this a joke?

[glass mortar]

at our expense by the devs, yes

[vocal basalt]

that is comically low

[glass mortar]

someone will take a look at the number and realize its like an order of magnitude off at some point

probably not until next expac

but at some point

[frigid pelican]

Yeah the infernal was next to me the whole time. So much smh

[cinder relic]

You do flip a lot of coins but yeah, not the best

Rogues biggest weakness is rot damage, and between leeching poison, leech enchants, and small effects like this, it does stem the bleeding a bit

[keen belfry]

if its so bad u dont take it im not sure it helps with rot dmg

[glass mortar]

i think even if u had zero healer and guarenteed damage coming at u ud live longer taking the rNG dr talent

the heal one is a joke

its 0.1% hp per coin

[keen belfry]

XD

[glass mortar]

[cinder relic]

Oh is it a choice node

[glass mortar]

yea

[cinder relic]

[vocal basalt]

If we are generous...like .3% every second is a bit...

[glass mortar]

with the 3% dr

[cinder relic]

Ah

[glass mortar]

the rng "dodge" fatebound node from last expac

[cinder relic]

Yeah then it sucks

[glass mortar]

it used to be uhhh

rng leech based on coin stacks

this one, the heal

so about same power level ig

[keen belfry]

would adding a 0 make it better

[cinder relic]

I wonder how much it'd actually heal over an encounter

[keen belfry]

or is taht still too low

whats our hp pool rn

[glass mortar]

thankfully valeera has been the goat in delves but my god our sustain is nonexistant this expac

[cinder relic]

Like compared to leech and recouperator

[copper radish]

getting over 20% haste is feeling amazing

[vivid vessel]

i hav e 256k rn

[glass mortar]

ye 264k for me

[keen belfry]

banger

[glass mortar]

if it were 10X stronger it would be healing u for close to 1% hp per coin

would that be too strong

[vivid vessel]

no that would still be garbo

[keen belfry]

i have no idea the strength of passive healing of other specs

[copper radish]

295k

[keen belfry]

1% per finisher would be ok?

[glass mortar]

well last expac from just vanish alone we had ~1% hp/s on average

[vivid vessel]

think of it that way

at very best

we do 1 finisher every 2s

[glass mortar]

it was also most of our healing tho

[vivid vessel]

can even say we do 1 finisher every 1 s bro

thats still 1 min to heal your entire bar

[glass mortar]

yea now that i think about it if this talent was 10X the size it would still be less average healing then soothing darkness

[vivid vessel]

so its useless

[glass mortar]

crazy to have a talent off by this far

[vivid vessel]

and its like 4 times less

[glass mortar]

it is more trickle tho while soothing was hit or miss

it was only that effective at healing if u had constant rot or no healer

[vivid vessel]

shooting is a burst of heal so its more valuable anywya

[cinder relic]

Depends on the class. Stuff like DK, paladin, warrior is a lot, but hunter, rogue is ofc lower

And depending on how loosely you define passive healing

[frozen notch]

Just read through the FAQ and wanted to clarify something.

When bte resets, should we popping that off immediately for the damage buff? Or getting to 6 CP and popping off for the higher damage as well as the buff?

[cinder relic]

Like paladin has no passive healing, but wog is huge

[cursive gyro]

It's the druids job to heal me. Healing rot dmg isn't my problem. If I'm feeling generous I may even feint for them.

[gaunt phoenix]

you should build cps

[cinder relic]

Dh has huge passive healing, but no like, button to heal

Meanwhile warrior has decent passive healing, and then victory rush

[vivid vessel]

what ilvl are people rn

[cursive gyro]

238

[vivid vessel]

whatdehelly

[cinder relic]

278

[vivid vessel]

stfu guy

[exotic agate]

237

[cinder relic]

LOLOL

[vivid vessel]

bro is next expac already

[cursive gyro]

280 is this season. The ilvl inflation is gonna be huge.

[cinder relic]

Turbo boost

[vivid vessel]

hm

im only 237

i need to find more

im addicted

tho did ytou guys spend things

thats cheating if you did

[prisma lantern]

I mean the difference there is a single piece of gear dropping from m0.

RNG gonna RNG.

[glass mortar]

i got 4 sets of boots from the m0s i had time to do this week

anyone want some boots

[exotic agate]

only spended adventurer crests

[glass mortar]

lf good home

i dont think i even did a full world tour tho didnt really feel a reason to and i had to pug it all

i wish delves werent capped

[vivid vessel]

ye i only dropped 9 pieces from m0

[glass mortar]

u dont need to give me scaling rewards but u could at least let me unlock up to 11

😠

[exotic agate]

only got 4 pieces from m0

[vivid vessel]

skill issue

dobnt be noob

[exotic agate]

alt had the same fate

[glass mortar]

guys i... i dont think abundance is supposed to work like this?

i just went into my second one of the week and instantly looted full resources and had to just sit there depositing for like 1 minute

because there was so much on the ground

i got the achievement for looting 250k of this stuff on my second run

😰

[prisma lantern]

Happens. During Sanctum I killed Sylv 36 times across all 3 difficulties and never got even a normal dagger.

Better to have shit RNG during week 1 of preseason than during season. Imo.

[lime lake]

i dont think blizzard accounted for people doing it in raid groups lmao

its just nonstop events spawning

[glass mortar]

raid groups?

[lime lake]

ye

[glass mortar]

im in here solo brother

why even be in a raid group

[exotic agate]

abundance event seems have some weird scaling with many players. can do like millions in raid groups apparently

[glass mortar]

its all shared regardless

im just getting filled with slop other people killed

[lime lake]

well you can be there solo its fine

its just

that raid group is the reason there are perma events and shit on the ground

because there are 40 people doing it at once

[glass mortar]

yea there being so many people inside

i dont think this stuff is meant to be shared

or surely not all of it

lmao

[prisma lantern]

I mean it's fun when there's 40 people doing it. 😂

[ashen void]

if only there was a word we could use to describe such a high quantity

[lime lake]

unfortunately bountiful is already used for delves

so we're out of words

[glass mortar]

oh

its these treasure dunduns

each event completion is spawning them but then each one runs around and just drops like 3k resource for everyone hitting it

to instantly spawn even more

[lime lake]

yup

they're pretty abundant

[glass mortar]

ok well i got my 1m achievement

surely this is going to be rolled back

unless they wanted us to get silly numbers of this

[lime lake]

yeah i expected the 10m abundance achievement to be like an expansion long stretch goal

then i got it in 10 minutes

[crisp elm]

whats abundance even do?

[snow stratus]

fuu

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[prisma lantern]

Lag the server?

[crisp elm]

xd is bbit for profs only?

[prisma lantern]

That was what I came to the conclusion of. Might be wrong though and it rewards crafting stuff.

[keen belfry]

early xpac gearing is bis wow

ffirst purple set is legit the peak of wow

[prisma lantern]

I'll do it anyway because it's 5 minutes of dopamine. 😂

[stuck sparrow]

ok classic andy

/s

[keen belfry]

its legit the peak

im very excited to battle heroic week bosses with random ass gear

[scarlet drum]

Outlaw feels kinda poopy. I'm doing less than guardian druid tank damage...

Or nearly so.

[stuck sparrow]

You and most specs

[prisma lantern]

Worst part of wow is that last 5 week grind to replace that slightly sub bis piece with the actual bis.

[prisma lantern]

Including the druid DPS specs. 😂

[stuck sparrow]

Depends how much you care

about 0.1% dps gains

[cobalt token]

Is that the max rank of it?

Or is there a 100m

[cobalt token]

Pretty sure it's just cosmetics and professions

[keen belfry]

whys my default blizzard dmg meter throwing lua errors

[lime lake]

if there is its a hidden achievement

10m is the highest that shows

[cobalt token]

Plumber managed to explode dmg meter

Might be that

[keen belfry]

hmm its meekauras doing it i think

[cobalt token]

Idk all I know is I had plumber which completely destroyed the dmg meter

And threw errors every second

[stuck patrol]

Plumber hasn't caused me issues. Maybe there's a specific feature you have checked that I don't that is causing the issue

[next wedge]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[next wedge]

out of date

smh my head

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[untold wadi]

gg noob

jk moroes uk ily

[wintry solar]

I don't

He's on ignore

[fickle relic]

is ambush broken right now? it generates less combo points than sinister strike

feels like it just doesn't give combo points on opportunity proc

[fathom bramble]

it doesn't give them when you opp proc

[vivid vessel]

well if you arent talented into improved ambush it just gives 2 cp

if you arent talented into ho it doesnt proc double cp

[fathom bramble]

and that behavior is intended

[vivid vessel]

but are you sure you should be pressing ambush

unless you play hidden opp you shouldnt

[fickle relic]

yeah, i'm trying ho out

i thought it's main point should be to get full combo points on opportunity with ambush, but i guess there's no point in playing it at all

[fathom bramble]

that is correct

it is currently quite undertuned perhaps due to not having the time to properly rework it before midnight

[fickle relic]

will there be a big patch on season start? i'd like to hope for some changes

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel CAN U FIX m33kauiras

[vivid vessel]

whats wrong iwht it

[keen belfry]

its bricking dmg meter

[vivid vessel]

gl with that

[keen belfry]

fix it

[wooden pilot]

why you using blizzard damage meter

problem 1

[dark ember]

I want to make a cleave/M+ version of this, what talents get sacrificed for what?

[vivid vessel]

are you sure you dont wanna play loaded dice ?

you can do this

tho playing without loaded dice is gonna be painfull

with loaded it might look like this

but i mean at this point you are playing the normal trickster build almost which would be this one right

[dark ember]

no dice talents we have rejected dice

dice begone

[vivid vessel]

sure

but

you are still going to roll right

[dark ember]

ofc

[vivid vessel]

you are going to get a bit of cancer without loaded dice

[dark ember]

not that crazy

[vivid vessel]

perma one buff

[dark ember]

its okay I'm lucky

[vivid vessel]

okok

good luck then

[dark ember]

is Fast Action really that replaceable though?

[copper radish]

Yeah what Zac said good luck w that 😭

[vivid vessel]

well its not really a good talent

[wintry solar]

All capstone's SUCK

[vivid vessel]

its one of the first things you would replace

[wintry solar]

They are BAD

[copper radish]

Sleight + loaded dice with KIR is awesome in dungeons

[dark ember]

I appreciate the advice and will consider the words of the council - I am however doing this instead

[vivid vessel]

well good luck with energy i guess

its prolly gonna be a lil rough

[fickle relic]

you think there will ever be a glyph to bring back old killing spree?

[vivid vessel]

no

[fickle relic]

that's a shame

new killing spree has no soul, even tho the old one had many problems, i'd still be using it over the new one just because it's such a cool button to press

or rather was

[dark ember]

new killing spree is amazing in every way except the sound which is a wet fart

[fickle relic]

oh and it actually could disorientate enemies in pvp

[dark ember]

if I ever find out what it is I can replace it but its a bit of a mystery - none listed on wowhead. I think it actually is just a cannon sound looped

[fickle relic]

it's not as cool as teleporting around your enemy while simultaneously hitting them with cool effects and all

i'd gladly fall off the world every day of the week if they make a choice node for it

the only outlaw rogue using the cursed spell

[dark ember]

nah I'm a pirate outlaw not a ninja - the other 2 specs have a monopoly on that

[fickle relic]

oooh, if subtlety gets the old killing spree i might actually fall to the dark side

[vivid vessel]

there are reasons ks got reworked

its not coming back

[nova sinew]

Just remove ks outlaw isn’t ww or surv

Already have blade rush

[fickle relic]

the only issue i know it had is falling through the floor in some dungeons

maybe some people had nausea

am i missing something?

[vivid vessel]

if you were doing any hard content it was a self killing spell?

[fickle relic]

oh yeah, i actually completly forgot about it

[cinder relic]

LMAO

[lime lake]

Yeah its easy to forget about

[fickle relic]

it will forever be in my heart no matter what

they could've definetly fixed it somehow, i'm just sad they haven't

[cinder relic]

Well they did fix it

[vivid vessel]

i mean they didnt

its a whole new spell

[fickle relic]

they made a new spell

[main vessel]

hi yall i cant formulate my own opinions, how we feeling about outlaw spec

[vivid vessel]

thye also chose to keep some issues and downsides of the old spell for fun

[harsh forge]

is the tooltip for this bugged

[cinder relic]

I like it a lot

[harsh forge]

Or does the spell actually make it generate 18 combopoints and just wast all but 7

[fickle relic]

what are those issues, zac?

[next shuttle]

Hi, does getting a stack of Gravedigger refresh the duration of all stacks? Sometimes it feels like I'll be at 5 stacks with maybe 2 secs remaining (like between pulls), I get the sixth one, but then I send BTE and I don't get the reset. Feels like the 5 previous stacks ran out.

[harsh forge]

im assuming its just coded to generate 6xstack combo points

[harsh forge]

when you palm more bullets it resets cd

[vivid vessel]

too long of a lock gameplay wise for me like its a cast and i just wanna press buttons, you could say thats just a subjective tho but im playing a melee idk why im casting
you cant kick or cc during the cast time same as before so its cringe af

they did remove the part where you were killing yourself so there is that

but they made the damage rng targetting so its a giga troll spell to press now

i do like the new animation

but its too slow

and it lacks sounds

[fickle relic]

the animation looks like we're shooting shotguns instead of pistols

and it's damage is actually pretty bad

[harsh forge]

Survival has the shotgun spell btw

[buoyant stratus]

I wish it was like the murderrow boss ngl

[harsh forge]

^^^^

[buoyant stratus]

Just a big ass circle

Swirl storm

Type shit

[brisk snow]

This means that in a world in which we land at 5 cps but bte is off cd we send dispatch anyway?

[vivid vessel]

no you build up to bte

[fickle relic]

it'd look better, imo, if it looked more like bte shots

it's just a bad spell right now, don't wanna press it even on trickster. the visuals on the original were infinetely better

[brisk snow]

better to use opportunity or ss?

[cinder relic]

U do press it on trickster

[cinder relic]

See the generator rules right below

[fickle relic]

yeah, i go trickster in delves along with killing spree and it feels like its' only purpose is to apply fazed and give me 2 hidden blade strikes

one bte can literally do as much damage as whole killing spree

[cinder relic]

Yeah that is the reason u press it

It's like bladestorm for arms slayer

U just use it to activate synergies

The spell itself is not that strong

[fickle relic]

in the end of the day, i guess i just dislike the spell

i understand that there are synergies tied to it, but maybe making the spell itself stronger would be a better design. would be very helpful to have stun immunity in pvp for example

is there even a point to cast it with full combo points, maybe i'm doing it wrong, lol

[vivid vessel]

they borked the rework of the spell tho

it did damage in s3 tww after the rework

a lot of damage

issue is the damage is rng targetting

so in term of actual real useful damage

like prio damage in aoe

it was useless

idk why they did that tho

just stupid

but i guess instead of fixing that issue they just nerfed the spell into doing nothing

[vapid sundial]

The past 2 expacs

whoever is being put infront of rogue

needs to not be it

[fickle relic]

So they screwed it up in the end of the day. I have bad memory so i don't even remember how it did after the rework. But i remember that the old killing spree had 100% aoe damage with blade flurry enabled, similar to blade rush, i won't even be surprised if they just forgot to add it

[vivid vessel]

that was removed in tww

not sure why tho

[granite merlin]

Can someone post a pic of their hud I feel like I am trying to track waaaay to much

Like I feel like I am going overboard since I have timers and then on ready for everything

[vivid vessel]

you need to track adr/bf/loaded dice/rtb and fan the hammer as buffs

well as cds idk

you need to track everything

or wdym

[granite merlin]

I guess I just have a sh*t show going on right now lol. Trying to figure out a better way to set my icons

[cinder relic]

That is valid

[cinder relic]

If the spell is stronger at a baseline, it just means its "alwayus talented" rather than "talnted with the hero talent that buffs it"

I think it's fine for trickster to be "about KS" and fatebound to be about "not KS"

[vivid vessel]

i mean there is a middle ground

they made it so shit it does no damage

[cinder relic]

I agree

[fickle relic]

I breathe a lot of copium, but maybe there's a chance they make it into a pvp talent, since it was completly fine in pvp?

[cinder relic]

No because then trickster would need a rework

Or do you mean old KS

the answer is also no

The spell is gone

[wintry solar]

Gone gone

[frail veldt]

goner

[wintry solar]

Not still in the game but unavailable gone

[fickle relic]

You're killing me popo

[wintry solar]

But like

Gone squared

I'd have liked it as a pvp talent myself

[fickle relic]

The best thematic and visuals in the whole game imo

[frail veldt]

thats wild

[wintry solar]

No thats Lock with that demon portal

[frail veldt]

KS didnt haev a visual as the user

it was just screen shake

[granite merlin]

Ty I just need to widen my stuff a bunch

[frail veldt]

and from everyone elses perspective the visual was "bad internet connection"

[wintry solar]

Sure if you had weak eyes

[frail veldt]

it was fucking awful

prob one of the ugliest spells in the game

[vivid vessel]

[granite merlin]

lol

[frail veldt]

awwww did they hotfix the ring?

[fickle relic]

Well by visuals i meant the yellow tracks that follow the blades. I wish we could change their color btw

[frail veldt]

you sure you didnt have a wep enchant or something

[fickle relic]

Eh? There are same visuals while using sinister strike and ambush, maybe i phrased it wrong

[frail veldt]

the new one doesnt look too bad

its just not that fun to use

the new blade rush looks pretty cool

[fickle relic]

New sounds and better shooting effects would make it alot better

Yeah, blade rush looks very good now

I'd make the animation last a little bit longer, but that's just yapping

[wintry solar]

Looks bad, feels bad, is bad

[fickle relic]

It's raw, for sure

[wintry solar]

3 for 3

If raw means janky pos sure

[fickle relic]

No idea what that is /

They probably should rework their rework

[wintry solar]

Janky piece of shit lol

The animation I mean

[fickle relic]

Oh, completly agree 👍🏻

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

i found a new resaon to hate on blizzard cdm btw

[keen belfry]

y

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt remember your settings when you go on another rogue

:D

[keen belfry]

mmmmm

the profile thing?

can share

[vivid vessel]

ye sure

but i didnt need to share my weak aura

for it to work

opn every ropgue

cause you need to share that

then share the arcui thing

like

:D

[keen belfry]

oof

[random stirrup]

yes its like 4 imports

very fun

[vivid vessel]

:D

[keen belfry]

just use my setup

its easy

plug and play

[vivid vessel]

im glad i just use weak auras still for 90% of things

i have like

3 things that is not weak aura on my screen and its all borked

:D

[frail veldt]

how do I make valeera less useless

shes set to damage dealer

and she doesnt do shit

[crisp pawn]

whats the best dungeon spec right now? outlaw or sub

[vivid vessel]

well its m0

so its always outlaw

[thorny wedge]

is there a way to color your combo points bar so points 5/6/7 are a different color?

[wintry solar]

Wangbar does it

[thorny wedge]

thank you!

[vapid sundial]

ew

totemic

[wintry solar]

You're welcome

[vivid vessel]

np

[woven monolith]

I keep seeing people talking about Sims being in, but am unable to find them. Any sources?

[wintry solar]

They're equating housing to sims

They're somehow the same thing, don't ask questions.

[tiny maple]

Mandate of Secret Death curio really pumps her damage

I think on tier 7 delve boss she averaged around 30k dps with that curio as healer.

[thorny wedge]

this is exactly what I'm looking for, game changer!!

[wintry solar]

You darn tootin it is

[tiny onyx]

so does this trinket suck for us even with the 3 skill points into it?

i know it gets replaced, but even right now is it buns?

[ruby marten]

what add ons/ui?

[harsh ocean]

!addons

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[real mauve]

how can this be?

have we been lied to?

[keen belfry]

sims are never a true display of power

sub has simmed below outlaw a lot of times

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw should be better where burst doesnt matter

[real mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/why-cry-why-pepe-why-why-pepe-cry-pepe-pepe-cry-gif-5847161834541812219

[gaunt phoenix]

that trinket doesnt proc correctly for rogues in simc

[harsh ocean]

im using jundies frame sbut it looks like it's duplicating frames on top of one another. any idea why?

[granite merlin]

How is outlaw looking now in dungeons?

I haven’t been able to decide between outlaw or sub last season scarred me lol

[harsh ocean]

it plays way slower and smoother. feels fine but a little energy starved at times

[nova tapir]

howcome sometimes Loaded Dice talent doesnt always bring the level of RtB up?

[vapid sundial]

It doesnt increase currently active

only newly cast

[gaunt phoenix]

the lack of crit haste rings

is stinky

[frail veldt]

They know what they're doing

[vapid sundial]

the funnier thing is

this

wat dungeons are this season btw

[vapid sundial]

i guess you run

Occlusion of void?

atleast the raid has a crit haste neck

[fluid meadow]

nice fix

[grim spear]

Energy starvation feels a lot worse on the target dummy than it does in SimC. Is that normal?

This was already one of the smoother attempts. Most of the time my energy felt like it was stuck struggling under 50

but the simc energy curve looks like this

the only difference is that I cast two fewer br (in 5min), and the adr uptime is about the same.

That shouldn’t make such a big difference

[nova sinew]

is that a target dummy sim

[frail veldt]

What's your haste at?

Are you following all the little rules like dispatch at 5 for fatebound and SS at 1cp if you have stage 2+ and ps at 3 stacks

Could just be minor things adding up

[grim spear]

only 10% haste,
The thing is, simc is using the same stats as well

Patchwerk, 5 minutes, no buffs

[harsh forge]

gravedigger is just old Ace

[vague cape]

For a second I thought outlaws damage profile wasn’t dogwater

Energy tho

[mighty pivot]

how did the energy gain breakdown look in sim?

running no flickering steel with just 10% haste is a recipe for disaster

[river wing]

p sure occlusion set will be quite good (probably not BiS, but very good) for people who can't myth raid as it gives a decent amount of haste, and while Mastery on the Light ring is rather bad, the set bonus does pretty decent damage that should cover for it

[whole storm]

"SS at 1cp if you have stage 2+ and ps at 3 stacks", hi, can you please explain this? wdym by stage 2+?

[mighty pivot]

your rtb roll is double trouble or higher

#1174378766622015508 message

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[mystic berry]

Its giving me deathbed heart monitor vibes

[cinder summit]

1FUU

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cinder summit]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[shrewd breach]

whats a good delve to spam run to lvl to 8?

[slender creek]

grudge pit

[fallen zodiac]

what stats do you guys prio when playing both outlaw and sub?

haste > crit > mastery?

[formal temple]

I dont know much about anything, but i think 12% on Gravedigger procs is a little low compared to the proc on Sub... ii'm procing the Sub shit like every other time it feels like...

[gaunt phoenix]

That graph is an average over 50,000 pulls or whatever

so it's not going to look like a single iteration

if you only did 1 pull with 10% haste and no flickering steel, it might look like this

[prisma vessel]

is it weird that when i play trickster i do more DPS than fatebound? or are they close in terms of DPS?

like in practice, not sims

[gaunt phoenix]

they are close, if you are geared with haste

[prisma vessel]

ok good, so im not going nuts xD

i just got enough haste i guess, 20% good then xD

[glass mortar]

trickster wants more haste then fatebound i believe

if u actually want to gear for it

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster has more rng so it's harder to compare in practice

[prisma vessel]

true

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound has more energy and CPs which likely contributes to it averaging ahead

[mystic berry]

how tf you guys reaching 240, I squeezed everything but spending crests and got to 232

luck?

[prisma vessel]

yeah its luck

[glass mortar]

probably spending crests

[prisma vessel]

i hit 239

[mystic berry]

I also didnt craft

so there is that

[gaunt phoenix]

jewelry ilvl is a bit fake

unless I get occlusion of void, nothing beats 167 crafted from last tier

[misty bridge]

So do we still send coup asap? Or do we still build? Like coup ready but I only have 1-2 cps

[gaunt phoenix]

You should build

coup not strong enough to disrupt rotation nowadays

[polar kelp]

Did you do the rep grinds for the champion pieces?

[queen stream]

dumb thing to ask but what talent is it that makes it so that Between the eyes can reset i cant seem to spot it

nvm as i asked i found it

[fresh otter]

hows rogue / outlaw in midnight please? on a scale from 1-10

for mainly keys

lmao

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[crystal canopy]

performance? up in the air since blizzard has already confirmed that tuning is incoming

[glass mortar]

-1

numbers wait 3 weeks for real tuning

nothing is balanced and nobody knows rn

not even blozzard probably

[crystal canopy]

surely it will fall somewhere on the scale from 1-10 though

[glass mortar]

woulda been a 1 if we kept aoe blind

was a bug tho so now we dont even have any aoe stops

not a single one

-2 points for that

so -1/10 😠

realistically its hard for me to give it a grade, it offers absolutely nothing of value kit wise for dungeons other then its raw dps so its a wait for tuning angle

[mystic berry]

ya

[glass mortar]

ur toolkit has been demolished

[crystal canopy]

but you can vanish cheap shot, kidney shot something else and then blind a third target, you have an aoe stop!

[glass mortar]

xd

[mystic berry]

I really think this is what blizz thinks

judging by how atrocious our survivability is aswell

[glass mortar]

maybe we will all get caught by surprise and itll be a mega skip season and 3m shroud will be goated

and we just dont know it yet

[clever wasp]

Watch petko tier list for best information

[glass mortar]

otherwise rogue utility is looking pretty bin tier for m+ which it always was but somehow they decided to make it even worse

[misty anvil]

do mouseover macros not work with mouse buttons?

[glass mortar]

mouse button 4 and 5 the dedicated binds work weirdly with mouseover macros i believe

i discovered this many years ago and i dont think it has ever changed

[misty anvil]

fawk

ty

[glass mortar]

if it had been fixed in the last 2-3 expacs i wouldnt know tho cause i learned to not bind those buttons to macros so i havent tested it in a looooong time, might wanna check the wow forums as well

for more recent info

[meager lichen]

I started again a while ago, but in every m0 I feel like almost all classes are doing more damage 😄 I really try to time everything and match rota -_- idk maybe im shit but im not able to top one single m0 😄

[clever wasp]

U wont be top in m0s

Burst classes always win

[untold wadi]

flat specs always look bad in low keys

just the way she joes

[clever wasp]

ye, cant really be fixed

[grim spear]

It’s almost identical to the energy gain data I get in actual gameplay

[untold wadi]

idk if u need anything, but clique might fix those inconsistencies. Idk specifically, but i do love that addon, so maybe it can help

[grim spear]

The core issue is that my 5min target dummy test is about 10% off from the sim results, and I’m trying to figure out why.

[polar kelp]

You sure you don't have buffs or pots or something on the sim?

[gaunt phoenix]

hard to say. my last 10 minute dummy test was basically identical to sim

[atomic dirge]

What are the chances that the outlaw is the spec progress in raids?

[balmy topaz]

Low to mid

But then if you're not HoF I wouldn't worry about if you're spec is the "most optimal"

[fathom holly]

yep and also st feels very weak and energy starved

[strong cargo]

You can use the addon "clique" to bind mouseover spells on mouse buttons

[fathom holly]

you guys are too happy with the new outlaw let me tell you

[wintry solar]

Are you actually energy starved or just not used to low adr uptime?

[fathom holly]

actually starved in st

and i dont think im a bad outlaw player

[wintry solar]

Well you're not supposed to run out of energy in ST unless you mess up or don't have the haste

Or your rng is that bad

Which could happen

[fathom holly]

i am pretty low on haste dont have the exact number right now though

at what haste % can i actually play then?

[glass mortar]

doesnt take very bad rng to do it

but it does take some

or bad play

[wintry solar]

I'd say it stops around 19%

Solo says he stops feeling the starve at 18

[glass mortar]

no amount of haste will stop you having downtime with bad rng

it should only happen with bad rng at 20% ish haste tho

and u will notice the bad rng, like getting a 1 buff roll a few times in a row then pressing SS 5 times with no proc etc

[radiant wyvern]

it didn't feel that comfortable for me til I hit 25%

[wintry solar]

Guess it's feely craft then

[fathom holly]

idk if thats a correct design choice then

[wintry solar]

It's questionable yeah

[glass mortar]

it almost certainly isnt but blizzard is helpless at figuring out ways to make haste an ok stat for us without making it so it dumpsters ur gameplay to not have

[fathom holly]

and like always they will not change shit for outlaw

[glass mortar]

its awful design but at least we scale or something idk

[fallen zodiac]

Wouldn't it be nice to make RTB unusable if you presed KIR on jackpot?

[fathom holly]

i mean just dont press it

[glass mortar]

that... sounds unnecessary and funny

[fallen zodiac]

sometimes force of habit happens..and you press RTB and i replace it with one of a kind

and its

[atomic dirge]

Is it likely to be the sub?

[jolly geyser]

Always fun

[radiant wyvern]

never stop gambling, even when you're on top

[gaunt phoenix]

prog spec depends on boss, always

[mystic berry]

sub have a lot going for it, easy to learn and master, daggers, bursty etc

But it comes down to tuning

[gaunt phoenix]

in theory if burst doesnt matter and outlaw can have uptime then it should be favorable

[radiant wyvern]

the rp in den of nalorakk is so cruel on last boss, that mini boss into rp, and then final boss

like just fuck my uptime I guess man

[gaunt phoenix]

but there is always a prog boss that is walled by a burst/shield window or some such

in which outlaw is trolling

[long barn]

Solo, do we know if holding blade rush like a few seconds is worth getting better mob count or should we just send it due to energy

[fathom holly]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/thrall/Fakboyx this is my guy i am at work currently. is my haste the problem that it feels like sht to play?

[gaunt phoenix]

i believe you can send it, though if the difference is like 1 to 8 mobs then probably hold it

[glass mortar]

sf

[gaunt phoenix]

it shouldnt matter a whole lot overall

[gaunt phoenix]

16.6% haste is okay, not unplayable

maybe should pop some gold on a haste flask

[long barn]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fathom holly]

ill use old haste flask

[gaunt phoenix]

i did M0s with 17-19% and pretty much didnt starve for 95% of gameplay

[grim spear]

sure

nope

[fathom holly]

i am close to giving up solo man 😔

[jolly geyser]

Its over lad

[gusty pagoda]

They should just increase energy regen across all 3 specs tbh

[mystic berry]

Sub dont need it really

[fathom holly]

they should remove energy

[mystic berry]

But yeah

[fathom holly]

its outdated

[fluid iron]

[mystic berry]

Needing to dedicate 4 talent points to even play the class is abysmal

[gusty pagoda]

It doesn't feel that bad on sub cuz of all the shadow techniques cp

[gaunt phoenix]

i think feint energy should go

[gusty pagoda]

And vial maybe

[fathom holly]

its like why LoL is 100000x more popular than dota2, in LoL you can actually use your spells and play the game instead of running out of mana after 1 ability

[wintry solar]

[gusty pagoda]

Maybe remove it for spenders only or something

Cuz I don't see how removing it from builders could work

[jolly geyser]

Remove energy cost on ss, real

[gusty pagoda]

And give it 2 second cast time instead

[jolly geyser]

Visible strike

[gusty pagoda]

Tbh it shouldn't be called "sinister strike", it simply sounds too intimidating

[fathom holly]

based on the damage it does they should call it back scratch

[gusty pagoda]

Sensual strike

[gleaming reef]

Random prod from inconspicuous bulge in pants

Thats how harmful and damaging it is

[polar kelp]

All I want is tricks to do the pvp effect in PvE....increase another party members damage by 15% for a short time, like a suedo PI..

Maybe then, just maybe, would be get invited to keys

Or atleast considered

[glass mortar]

that would be so awful

[vivid vessel]

Guys. .

[glass mortar]

needing to macro to cast tricks on cd on an ally and not having it for threat drops to the tank so u cant even attack while mobs are being grouped

please no

that can stay in vanilla

[polar kelp]

Atleast we would get invited lol

Maybe

[glass mortar]

well i wouldnt get invited because i wouldnt be playing rogue in keys if that was our "utility"

everyone else is getting away with passive raid buffs or a 2m cd they put on someone else and we gotta macro to cast a buff on our allies every 30s of combat?

[gleaming reef]

Tricks Aggro To a dps

[glass mortar]

🤢

[gleaming reef]

Just to buff his damage?

[mystic berry]

Just give us a traditional raid buff, not a poison that most people are not even aware exists unless they played rogue once

lol

[glass mortar]

?

[unkempt dew]

Are we meta yet?

[tight kernel]

DId we get buffed yet

[dark ember]

Are we actually expecting class changes today? Thought it was on season start.

[balmy topaz]

17th

And not changes it's tuning just FYI

Petko's predictions have everyone thinking we're gonna get buffed

[mystic berry]

nah

the copium goes further back

since the beta

[dark ember]

I'm more happy with Outlaw than things that aren't outlaw. I'd settle for a number cope buff. I do expect something more drastic on Season 2 though.

A lot of weirdness and landmines in our kit. A lot of "this could have been an email" capstones. Thistle tea could just be a baseline energy buff and then give us something actually interesting in its place. Whole lotta stuff like that.

We make up for it because our core rotation is fast and fun while others are boring, but our talents feel like bandaids while others feel exciting options.

[mystic berry]

outlaw is the "atleast its fun" spec

Always

Which im ok with

[keen belfry]

tim if u sit back and look at our capstones they are even more heinous

the whole vanish row they forgot existed or left untouched to not even worry about
HO is the same way
killing spree
fast action is .7% dps increase

[dark ember]

I'll take fun over good any day ong. I played a "good" spec last expac and in one raid pull I got so bored I literally fell asleep.

Yeah exactly so many weird slap fixes on our tree. A 5 sec CD reduc isn't exciting.

Making Roll the Bones not suck isn't exciting.

[river wing]

legitimately playing outlaw because the pace is fun at least, I can't be arsed playing Assa or Sub this time around because I could settle for Assa 55 APM in TWW and good+proper like 70+ in AoE situations, but right now it's slow as molasses in all content

[keen belfry]

ive been saying we have gotten template specs as they ran out of time, maybe season 2 we will get good specs again

but for now outlaw is the best spec in the game and its a 5.15/10

[river wing]

a 5 second CD reduction on BtE is hilarious considering it's literally just "actually it's about a 1.5 second CD reduction with how fast we get BtE back"

[balmy topaz]

Fast action should not be a capstone

It's so bad

[keen belfry]

it just doesnt make sense wtih zero in

[river wing]

tbh after the TWW shitshow
I am no longer hopeful for seasonal changes, it's just gonna be the same shit where we have to wait for the expac for anything to happen

[river wing]

shhhhh
they can make it required pathing instead, don't let them hear you

[keen belfry]

yeah in 1am xpac we will get our midnight alpha feedback read

[balmy topaz]

How many seconds would they have to make fast action to actually make it worth while taking

[dark ember]

The goals of their slap fixes could be accomplished in more exciting ways.

Fast Action could be giving Eyes a charge. Any of the boring mandatory RTB buffs - a charge of RTB. Imagine.

[river wing]

and we'll have an iteration most classes were past at Dec 2025, yes

[river wing]

look they didn't even make Prep a +charge

where it would make 150% sense

[gaunt phoenix]

they have been very responsive to bugfixes which would normally take an xpac or longer

[keen belfry]

shoutout bug fixes tho no cap

[glass mortar]

which is why bte not impacting autos will surely be fixed soon

took them less then 2 weeks to fix us having 1 singular aoe stop

[rancid silo]

wat happen

[glass mortar]

they removed aoe blind

they removed aoe blind from the TOOLTIP on day 1 of midnight alpha, but the talent has made blind aoe throughout all of alpha and beta and onto live

so we figured it was a bad tooltip or something

[mystic berry]

I wonder if they consider this a nerf

[glass mortar]

nope just a bug, they removed aoe blind last week

🙂

[mystic berry]

Or if its whatever

[rancid silo]

[mystic berry]

part of the new fabled dungeon design

that conveniently didnt affect other classes

[near holly]

tauren stomp stocks up

[glass mortar]

i mean other specs definitly lost some cc, hunters lost like half their aoe stops

[nova sinew]

No aoe cc is really fun in murder row

[glass mortar]

whats crazy is just how many they had

and thinking rogues should be the only class in the game without a single one

[nova sinew]

When you have the mile long trail of imps spam casting you

Just be dk

Inb4 insane cope about st stops like dk isn’t better at that also

[mystic berry]

those imps adds are cancer

[fathom holly]

they spent too much ressources on housing

[mystic berry]

well. it is the flagship feature

[keen belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226346198198386689/1448201613167562803/cat_gif.gif

[mystic berry]

as much as it irks me

[nova sinew]

When you open the crafting order system they even put housing above weapons and armor it’s the first thing

[keen belfry]

cant believe the wow devs used mara from fellowship as their sub rogue template

smh

[nova sinew]

Believe they used Lenny from mice and men as their template

[keen belfry]

tend the rabbits eh georgie

[mystic berry]

they also stole maisara final boss from fellowship

[keen belfry]

that run back is called the fellowship boss amongst people i know

[mystic berry]

lol

running is from fellowship actually

[random cosmos]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[glass mortar]

if wow shamelessly stole fellowships mob interupt tracker system that would be pretty great

[west ridge]

you know which class has an aoe blind

dk

you know which class has a better cloak

dk

you know which class does more dam

dk

[indigo token]

did they give an explanation on why they changed blind

is it just the blanket cc changes

[glass mortar]

dont believe we ever got an explanation

i would imagine it was some blanket cc change that got done by a generic class dev that wasnt aware that rogue does not have a single aoe stop beside blind

[runic gulch]

well we had a tiny bit of utility and that is not allowed

[glass mortar]

that is the most positive outlook i have on that change

[runic gulch]

so measures had to be taken

[glass mortar]

🙂

[nova sinew]

Being being 30s aoe dr was interesting to me at least

[glass mortar]

it was actually an upside of all the changes we got honestly

to offset the loss of cheap shot from our kit (practically) and how limited our dungeon/aoe stops are

we had a very frequent one but that was all we had

[dark ember]

DKs will be nerfed, trust in the plan, Arthur. Outlaw going to Tahiti

[keen belfry]

@gaunt phoenix u think itll be crit haste

[glass mortar]

isnt that gunna give pvp gear

looks like a pvp questline to me

[patent gull]

Its hero gear so no

[keen belfry]

maybe but also mayhbe not

[glass mortar]

so it would be mega vers/minor of any other secondary

i mean 2 expacs ago conq gear was hero track

do we know what conq gear is this expac

[patent gull]

Its been champion since they have been using this gearing system

It would force pvp if they made it hero gear

[glass mortar]

well yes that is what that quest he is looking at is doing is it not

do pvp events for pve relevant gear

🤔

[patent gull]

1 item is different than a whole set

[glass mortar]

i guess

my guess would be if the item is coming from pvp it will have heavy versa on it tho

coming from a pvp questline that being

[patent gull]

I think its meant for pvers to try and pvp

[copper radish]

Wait is this quest live now???

[river wing]

I would also like to know

[keen belfry]

my guess is i haev no guess

its live

[copper radish]

Hopefully can pick the stats on the amulet

[keen belfry]

if not we say gg

[copper radish]

Would be kinda sick if it has the PvP ilvl boost too so I could use it in both pve and PvP

Bout to find out lol

[keen belfry]

26% haste nbd

in pvp ilvl tho sorry chat

[copper radish]

Same here w my full honor gear lol

Got myself to 20.65% haste in pve gear too

Starting to feel good on outlaw

[glass mortar]

wowhead didnt know so it must not have been fully playtesable on beta

be the playtesting u want to see in the world awanganganganga

[vivid vessel]

GUYS!

[gaunt phoenix]

Stop typing that

[vivid vessel]

Tell them to fix cp delay bug it is frying me bro

[gaunt phoenix]

one of these is not like the other

[vivid vessel]

It was warranted

[glass mortar]

guys....

zac keeps typing guys for no reason......

what to we do about it

i bet he even typed it on international womens day......

[keen belfry]

so it appears taht this is a questline

and u dont get a ring at the end of this one

[sinful dagger]

@copper radish blizzard confirmed outlaw tuning or what? 🤪

[glass mortar]

they havent confirmed anyones tuning

nobody will have any idea what tuning looks like until it comes out

[crystal canopy]

no they confirmed that there will be tuning

meaning that we can't really say if a spec is going to be good or not yet

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw -5%

[fluid meadow]

demo +10%

[copper radish]

They gave us tuning dates…. Prayers will be said

[fair iron]

did someone remember to post about the -10% aura that's been accidently left in for outlaw?

[vivid vessel]

solo

i completly destroy m0 as usual

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

based on history i think we are getting nerfed

as usual tho

all good

[copper radish]

Probably. Flurry still doing too much dmg 😭

[gaunt phoenix]

flurry 20%

[vivid vessel]

i mean

flurry isnt doing damage tho

[crystal canopy]

why don't you just sandbag the m0's then?

[vivid vessel]

its doing way less than in tww

im looking at details

its way lower

[glass mortar]

zac we did a few big pulls in the m0 i did with my guildies

[copper radish]

The last overall I have from a dungeon it did 45%

[glass mortar]

most of the pulls i was like mid 80-90ks honestly

then one pull i just did 160k

same buffs, same procs, one AR use on the pack

[vivid vessel]

it did 60/65% in tww and we did 0 aoe

[copper radish]

Then auto attacks, dispatch and bte rounded out the next closest to it

[vivid vessel]

as a reference

[glass mortar]

just all crit/bte stack and coin variance

no gameplay

[vivid vessel]

ye

idk

[hardy vault]

am i cheating?

[glass mortar]

doesnt even feel like ur popping off when ur popping off anymore

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

banned

[glass mortar]

like having 5/6 buff was so tangible before idk i guess its weird

[vivid vessel]

some things go over the cap

like quesat ones

[glass mortar]

my gameplay experience is almost completely seperate from my details print out after these dungeons

[copper radish]

What’s ur overall dps looking like at the end of dungeons

[glass mortar]

is what it felt like to me

[copper radish]

Sitting around 60-70k for me

[glass mortar]

i have no clue my details is in the most general default mode and its numbers only show current stuff, i never checked if it can see overall

i assume it can

[gaunt phoenix]

that aounds normal

[copper radish]

Getting over 20% haste felt really good

[gaunt phoenix]

my last overall was 61k

[glass mortar]

based on the aoe numbers i was getting vs ST in that range sounds appropriate

aoe pulls go anywhere from 80k-160k depending on pure rng nonsense that u dont even feel really

[vivid vessel]

i like how bad details is now

[glass mortar]

ST much lower

[gaunt phoenix]

my boss damage seems kinda dog ass

[vivid vessel]

you cant even mouseover enermy damage taken in combat

[copper radish]

Did a KIR jackpot big AoE pack on first pull of murder row and hit 150k lol

[vivid vessel]

death recap is absolute useless now

since blizzard is doing it

:D

[copper radish]

Survival hunt was smoking me in dungeon boss dmg lol

[vivid vessel]

ye ui do 0 st

idk

weird

but its m0

[glass mortar]

st feels bad

but also m0 is bad

yea

[vivid vessel]

also in st

sometimes at the end

you run out of everythign

and i cant press buttons

and you just do tank damage for 30s

[glass mortar]

like we had a 5 m boss fight on the last boss (one of our dps died early and we had no brez but also its m0)

[copper radish]

Maybe we will get ST buffs? But they’d probably nerf flurry and the net would be marginal 😂

[vivid vessel]

all good tho

[glass mortar]

and by the end of the 5 minutes i was no longer getting gapped by our warlock

was pretty close st

but if that boss fight had been 1m long

[vivid vessel]

there is no way they nerf bf

[glass mortar]

no shot in hell

[gaunt phoenix]

I absolutely see them aura buffing and nerfing blade flurry again

calling it

[copper radish]

Net effect -0- lol

[frail veldt]

So then sub would be meta lol

[balmy topaz]

Ye I do agree

[copper radish]

Maybe they can give us the aura buffs they took away after the bug fix lol

[vivid vessel]

well everytiume they nerf bf we get worse in keys

[mystic berry]

God I hope they nerf us, it would be hilarious

[vivid vessel]

doesnt matter if we sim the same in aoe

in the end

its still less aoe after everyone get tuned to do same st

30% bf is already abmyssal so

[frail veldt]

It's so bad

Has it ever been this low?

[vivid vessel]

what deleve can i do to get to 8 quick guys uwu

[vivid vessel]

dont think so

its been hovering around 50 forever no

[copper radish]

Pretty sure it’s always been 50% or so

[vivid vessel]

its never been as high as tww tho

and we did 0 aoe

so idk

[copper radish]

F it make flurry 100% but nerf it back to 1 additional target 😭

[grim spear]

pc

[copper radish]

What do we got 7 days till the first of two tunings?

[grim spear]

They don’t want to give up this gimmick, but they also can’t balance the numbers around it.

Honestly, they might as well just delete BF and give us some proper AoE builders and finishers instead.

[vivid vessel]

well they removed pc

idk what you mean

[grim spear]

we are pirates, so calling in battleship bombardment sounds perfectly reasonable

[copper radish]

F blizz…. This quest is four weeks long until you get the reward. Neck is haste/mastery and ring is verse/mastery

[hardy vault]

man fuck preys

i cba with this

[vivid vessel]

the trick is

you go to the prey quest and you just open traps