outlaw

[tropic zephyr]

Alt anything is cursed++

Only shift and Ctrl allowed

[balmy topaz]

Alt + = for AR

[tropic zephyr]

Alt + R?

[mighty pivot]

alt q q

[balmy topaz]

[vivid vessel]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[honest sparrow]

not able to click shift with my palm

[balmy topaz]

Having kick on Footpeddle would go hard

[unkempt dew]

I have a mouse with 12 buttons

[mighty pivot]

using kinect to kick

[wintry solar]

If I say goodnight will you be nice

[mighty pivot]

I am always nice

but it's morning there, wdym goodnight

[wintry solar]

I work nightshift

Goodnight Ninjarobot

Beep boop HIYAH!

[trim tiger]

How's outlaw looking lads ?

[wintry solar]

Fun

[mighty pivot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/RespectiveCollective-this-is-me-goobert-sunkittencats-fxO93AL8yXdFcNQwWM

[fresh acorn]

Maybe I am bad but during my m0s I was getting gapped (by frost mages). Am I bad or is this just preseason hoopla?

[celest cobalt]

Bad

[honest lotus]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel are you using WA for BTE reset sound still?

[surreal latch]

in the faq, do they mean to use SS at 1 CP ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

i never used one myself

its still possible to do tho

but i would need to redo it

cuase need to use diff events now

[placid ocean]

Question, why did prep get taken away from sub and given to outlaw

[vivid vessel]

no clue we dont like it either

[balmy topaz]

it's not a nice button to press

[mighty pivot]

prep hasn't been part of sub for a decade

it's not really "taken away"

[vivid vessel]

prep is awkward af on outlaw

[balmy topaz]

Give AR 2 stacks

[mighty pivot]

reworked in 12.1 along with KS surely

[balmy topaz]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

But it's just gain 10% haste

perma

[mighty pivot]

don't give them ideas

delete

[balmy topaz]

There you go

I hoenstly have no clue what they could put there

Took them long enough

to get rid of riposte

[mighty pivot]

honestly they should just delete prep and fast action, and move the nodes one row up and add something else

[balmy topaz]

Yeah

Also like

Dragon bone dice should just be baseline no?

Just feel like it's such a filler talent

[mighty pivot]

60% of the tree is filler

[balmy topaz]

Yeah

[mighty pivot]

dragon boner dice as a prereq of kir is ok imo, it makes sense

[balmy topaz]

Ace also shoud jsut be a 1 point node

[light falcon]

has anyone streamed a recent beta m+ or m0 on outlaw? i havent seem someoe good play after the changes from last xpac

[balmy topaz]

Naa zac has been bored of it

I haven't streamed any

[light falcon]

yeah i checked and didnt see any

figured it was so horrible it wasnt worth playing

[balmy topaz]

It depends who you talk to but

If you liked BtE gameplay loop

It's joever

[light falcon]

I liked no cds

like old shadow priest

[balmy topaz]

I mean we are more cd's than before since ADR isn't perma and in ST we take Prep

[light falcon]

sigh

[subtle void]

yo guys !

quick question with mm+ talents do you have the feeling you doing low dmg in mono compare to others class ?

[balmy topaz]

I was doing similar damage to others, have you got a log?

[subtle void]

i have this only

whne i sim i do 51 k

[balmy topaz]

46k is low especially with monk buff druid buff and windfury

[subtle void]

yeah ur right

[balmy topaz]

It's hard to give feedback when all you have is that screenshot

I'd reccomend looking at #outlaw-faq and taking 30 mins to read through it all

[subtle void]

yeah il ltry to show u logs asap

[balmy topaz]

I sim 51k as well

[subtle void]

i did for sure

[full dawn]

How much was tank pulling? My dungeon damage depends fully on that

Or was that single target?

Oh, mono. How long fight?

So many things

[frail veldt]

Looooool I fucking knew it

Stage 2 the goat

[subtle void]

yeah i know i just talked about mono on a boss

[copper radish]

And that’s why we KIR it 😭

[frail veldt]

How much crit is stage 4?

[astral warren]

15%

[frail veldt]

I'm surprised it's worth so much damage

[gaunt phoenix]

15% crit is approx 15% dps

[zealous sand]

hey guys. now that mastery is main hand triggering the effect, there is no benefit to dagger offhand anymore right? apart from having a weapon you can use for other specs correct?

[buoyant stratus]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[honest sparrow]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[buoyant stratus]

Hope that helps

[zealous sand]

thanks, sorry

thats cool, that gives me a weapon for my other specs too:) thanks! sorry for asking something obvious lol

[buoyant stratus]

Btw solo question, i was just perusing the faq to see whats up and i noticed you have flickering steel and find and opening talented over versa and 2x summarily for the ST build. Is this just old news or is this optimal for ST when the other setup is better in aoe ?

[rotund zodiac]

if I'm at 5cps but bte is off CD, do I SS to 6-7 cps and send bte?

or do I dispatch and try again til I have 6-7 cps

[cinder relic]

Ss

[rotund zodiac]

omg ty Guy

[mystic berry]

When will we get to know the changes on the 17th?

I need to know if I doom

[cinder relic]

Idk

[mighty pivot]

just pre-doom to be on the safe side

[cinder relic]

I feel like too many people in here are working themselves up to be extremely disappointed by a patch they are expecting too much from

[nova knot]

Damn I had a lot of fun lvling my outlaw. Might swap to main it!

[cinder relic]

I feel like unless outlaw gets a 35% aura buff, people are going to be raging for weeks about it

[lilac rose]

hello guys, sorry for asking im sure this gets asked alot, i haven't hopped on midnight yet and i'd like to get in the groove for either sub or outlaw i like outlaw alot but i'm not sure how good it is rn?

[cinder relic]

Rn it's pretty solid but it's m0s

[quiet ore]

Tbf, most beta tc also assumes tier, which people on live don't have yet. If you feel just a little under-resourced rn, all you may be missing is tier, not a big balance change

[vivid vessel]

why does it feel like i have 5k ms in voidstorm

is it cause there is the event thingy in tht zone

[gaunt phoenix]

Flickering Steel is better while we have low haste

Find an Opening is slightly better than a 2nd point in Dispatched, in ST

In AoE, because we have to take Dancing Steel + Grand Melee, Find an Opening (and Heavy Hitter) happens to be the best 2 talents to remove

[vivid vessel]

its uplayble

[mystic berry]

Doom it is then

[fossil lintel]

It's over

[mighty pivot]

that and the pvp zone of it probably

[quiet ore]

Do we have a candidate best non-apex talent build?

[mystic berry]

So over

With 0 chances of "we are back"

[lilac rose]

sad to hear this, sub rogue looks like retri pala.

[fossil lintel]

Should be renamed to overlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

I guess? In ST you can just... take everything that's not HO and KS, there's no decision

[cinder relic]

Why not just not be a vibe assassin instead

[fossil lintel]

I come here for the dooming vibes

[gaunt phoenix]

in aoe you probably move apex into find an opening +prep

[keen belfry]

lets no fllower dungeoinn buffs!

[vivid vessel]

billie eillish is back !

[gaunt phoenix]

removing apex is Not Great

[quiet ore]

It's closer than no stealth was in s3, I'll take it

[fossil lintel]

That's just like, your opinion man

[thick vigil]

[mighty pivot]

solo I want a no opportunity build

[keen belfry]

wu ready?

[fossil lintel]

What day do they usually drop the patch notes for the 17th tuning? This Friday?

[frail veldt]

would it be that early?

I figure Monday

[honest lotus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[copper radish]

What if you went HO

[west ridge]

yes

[fossil lintel]

I'm pretty sure they tend to drop the preview before the weekend, although they often add new changes after class discords are disabled

[frail veldt]

LOL

makes sense

[still matrix]

so bored with no content gonna yolo craft boots

Crests*

[frail veldt]

and that will cure your boredom?

[still matrix]

probz for like

5mins yer

little dopamine

[frail veldt]

definitely worth it

[west ridge]

havent actually seen sims

are rogue specs undertuned rn?

[frail veldt]

why not yolo craft wep

[still matrix]

Basically is boots or ring

I already crafted a wep

[frail veldt]

isnt it definitely weapon?

oh

[still matrix]

this is 2nd vet crest craft init

[cinder relic]

No and sims don't really tell u that exactly

[frail veldt]

idk im not even bothering gearing yet im just leveling more chars haha

before they hotfix it

[still matrix]

i leveld more chars

even though after next week ill have no time but to raid log and keys anyway

so was no point even leveling em

[fossil lintel]

My outlaw sims the same in st as my frost mage, but takes 5 times the effort

[still matrix]

But myth boots in my raid will be less contested than rings so was thinking craft da ring and get boots free

[west ridge]

wait so why are people dooming

actually nvm

[still matrix]

people like to doom

[west ridge]

i know why

[fossil lintel]

This is outlaw discord? Dooming is our natural state, except for guy

[frail veldt]

well theres some reasonable dooming and some sky is falling dooming

[civic bay]

Which specs want to drop combat before engaging next pack

[fossil lintel]

It's like a ritual, we come and here and doom until guy comes in and calls us idiots

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw doesnt care about stealth

[vivid vessel]

sub

[civic bay]

Does assa still?

[vivid vessel]

when talented into first dance

[still matrix]

Let adrenalin rush pause in stealth

[gaunt phoenix]

if anything it wants to chain instead of delay

[lilac lion]

Better nerf warri

[still matrix]

Arms better get nerfed on 17th

so i know the world is right

[lilac lion]

Yes

[balmy topaz]

@keen belfry I managed to sort out my CP bar btw so tyty

[vivid vessel]

np

[balmy topaz]

wtf

[civic bay]

We have decided that monk tank is currently the best tank and seeing more representation than we are comfortable with. Therefore we will be nerfing warrior to keep physical comps in line

[gaunt phoenix]

spiky panda

[vivid vessel]

why you so fat bro

[balmy topaz]

BRO

[still matrix]

whats the orange bar?

[gaunt phoenix]

bf

[balmy topaz]

I need a mog

[lilac lion]

Can i Play Sub and Outlaw with the same stats?

[balmy topaz]

Yeah blade flurry

[gaunt phoenix]

no

maybe

[strange kelp]

I mean both want high haste

Just then crit vrs mast

[lilac lion]

I mean the guide says Sub Haste->Mastery=Krit

[gaunt phoenix]

just swap rings and neck

[lilac lion]

So when i play Haste Crit so i can play Both?

[gaunt phoenix]

to some mastery shit

[strange kelp]

You just pick one, gear for it, and either get off pieces or just accept a dps drop

[frail veldt]

yeah you could probably pull it off with minimal damage loss

biggest issue will be weapon early on

sub really wants a dagger offhand

so your crafted mainhand for outlaw is essentially useless for sub

[strange kelp]

You could prob craft dagger

And just get mh for outlaw from m0

[lilac lion]

Okay i got a dagger from M0

And crafted a dagger 🤣

[cinder relic]

People are very theatrical in here

[lilac lion]

Thats why i ask if is possible to play both with same stats

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel

Gimme panda mog plz

[vivid vessel]

outlaw bf went from 50% + pc to 30% which doesnt help much with viability both in raid and keys, we lost aoe blind so we are even more useless than before in keys, and we lost all tankyness, we didnt gain any positives that would help our viability in exchange

i dont think thats doom tho

thats just

what happened

tho we can transmog daggers to swords now

which i quite like

[vivid vessel]

wood cutter man green or red shirt

and black pant

thats it

clean mog

[frail veldt]

but but my strawman, it only works if I label you as a doomer

[rancid silo]

Is there an updated list of One button rotation dps losses

[balmy topaz]

What weapons

[vivid vessel]

i mean anyone can say im wrong and im just a doomer :D

im just citing facts tho

just changes that happened

:D

[frail veldt]

yeah theyll still do it haha

they dont like facts

[cosmic shuttle]

I like playing with Killing Spree but pressing it feels like I do less damage than I would just with the normal skills, is it supposed to be like this? Just don't use Killing Spree?

[cinder relic]

There's a large difference between "the spec lost some stuff" and then mulling over it for 12 hours a day for weeks on end

[vivid vessel]

no one is dooming tho

also its not some stfufs

but ok

[gaunt phoenix]

Fatebound does not use killing spree, Trickster is forced to use killing spree because it gives unseen blades

the recommended build is fatebound so we don't use ks

[frail veldt]

you can still def play trickster in keys

if you like KS a lot

its only a few percent behind right?

[gaunt phoenix]

when you are geared

[vivid vessel]

but its less fun

[cosmic shuttle]

I see, I will check out the other possible ways then, thanks 😄

[vivid vessel]

the builder rules are boring !

[rancid silo]

FB is better than Trickster? I thought the BF talent alone would make trickster much better

I enjoy trickster

even if is not optimal actually

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, fatebound also has a BF talent, their bf damage is not too dissimilar

Why did i type "not too dissimilar" instead of just "similar"

[rancid silo]

[frail veldt]

makes you sound smorter

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound also gives more energy and cps which should reduce your RNG considerably

[west ridge]

well when you put it like that

[rancid silo]

I saw FB spends on 5

I did not know that

[frail veldt]

sometimes

only for dispatch

[still matrix]

Think conquest trinket will be worth farming week 1 if you get dog trinkets?

[rancid silo]

yea not with BTE

[gaunt phoenix]

dispatch at 5, dont bte at 5

[rancid silo]

I feel like that entirely depends on what youre trying to do

[still matrix]

Raid/Keys lol

[frail veldt]

if you have friends who pvp I think its worth it

its very quick to get

[still matrix]

I guess just if you get nothing in raid and m0 usually the badge is good

[rancid silo]

Ik you mean raid and keys but like, are you trying to be the best or just want ilvls.

[frail veldt]

alacrity trinket is usually quite strong

[still matrix]

yer

haste + main stat proc

[mystic berry]

I dont trust people that like any of the caps

I tolerate KiR and thats it

[frail veldt]

proud of you

[fossil lintel]

Come to the prep side

It's great

[still matrix]

I feel like"be the best or want ilvls" im just doing it for dps lol whichever is better not either of those lol it's usually easy to get so a decent early pickup

[mystic berry]

I dislike prep even more lol

[still matrix]

there is also usually a neck thats like haste//vers or crit/vers

[fossil lintel]

Have you actually used it in a dungeon though? Makes rng smooth as hell

[still matrix]

prep i thought was basically single target only and you just send it after we use adr?

and dont even think about it outside of that?

[frail veldt]

not quite

its more nuanced in st than it is in m+

since in st you have to consider fight length

since its a 4 miin non cdr ability

you can move it around freely as long as you arent sacrificing a usage

so it can be useful for certain windows

in m+ you pretty much use it after adr once bte and br are on cd ideally

but it helps a lot in reducing the long drawn out badluck moments

[gaunt phoenix]

relative math moment

[lime lake]

[mighty pivot]

very educational

[rancid silo]

Is ther a list for all classes or would i have to go into sims and do it all myself

Also 28% seems like alot but when I think about it... Is that actually even a lot

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm not aware of a list for all classes

there is some manual work e.g. we assume the player can press KIR at 2 (this is not part of assisted rotation)

[fossil lintel]

There is someone who has an all class list behind a paywall, but last I heard they didn't have the outlaw and sin numbers

[frail veldt]

LOL

[rancid silo]

paywalling OBR sims is insane

[still matrix]

i havent been running it in m+ was just usaing the linked build pmuch

but i get that on boss length

[still matrix]

not as much as i thought tbh

7.2%

[gaunt phoenix]

I believe some specs are much closer

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel Do we like?

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

ye alotugh i just used a plain pants

and no chest

just raw dogging the shirt

[balmy topaz]

Got you

Also need a good wep

[gaunt phoenix]

Fish

[balmy topaz]

Bro you said the fish is cheap

it's like 400k

[lime lake]

just go to a server where its cheap

[mystic berry]

I will test it, but I hate how its on gcd

[keen belfry]

remember s1 enhance

@vivid vessel

most fun spec

[still matrix]

I dont actually see a way to craft with veteran crests

Just hero/myth and spark

[gaunt phoenix]

it's the blue items

like this

[still matrix]

ohhh ok was trying to purple item

although it says 233 not 246

Guessing it's this

[strange kelp]

233 is the starting ilvl

[still matrix]

Ok

[gaunt phoenix]

change the minimum crafting quality to gold star

[still matrix]

ok i seee tyty

costs 80*

jheeesh, time to pray spam

[high obsidian]

What's the name of the delve and story us rogues should be looking for? Wasn't there an easy one that we could do in like 5 minutes

[fossil lintel]

It's in atal aman

I think it's ritual interrupted the story

[balmy topaz]

I ain’t crafting till end of reset next week

Then craft vet gear for HC week

Tbh I might even wait

Until my m0 world tour in hc week

Does the crest change in m0 HC week I presume so

[copper radish]

I think so

[wide flare]

are we using ambush or still not at all?

[gaunt phoenix]

No ambush

[astral granite]

Hi guys. How is outlaw doing in midnight so far?

Fun / numbers wise

[celest cobalt]

Scroll up imo

But fine

[gaunt phoenix]

depends who you ask, some would say outlaw is boring now, others not

Numbers are fine but m0 numbers dont mean nothing

[hasty warren]

outlaw boring

[mystic berry]

I like it, but I was an enh main before midnight

lol

[vapid sundial]

To not pick Outlaw is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do.

To not pick Outlaw is objectively right. There are no situations other than randoming in which a person is not able to not pick Outlaw. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to pick Outlaw.
Therefore Outlaw presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it. No one will punish you for picking Outlaw, no one will fine you or kill you for picking Outlaw. You gain nothing by not picking Outlaw.

You must not pick Outlaw out of the goodness of your own heart. You must not pick Outlaw because it is correct

I love litmus tests

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is still outlaw, sustain damage without burst

when burst doesnt matter it might look favorable

[charred fox]

Im new to retail (classic Andy)
So far outlaw feels fun to play

[astral granite]

Are there any outlaw streamers left?

[gaunt phoenix]

jpc

[gaunt phoenix]

welcome

[charred fox]

Ty ty !

[vivid vessel]

GUYS

[trim harbor]

guy

[quiet ore]

There are so many burst windows in midnight dungeons - I've been wondering what kind of pooling/delaying we can get away with to optimize for them

[vivid vessel]

[astral granite]

Oh jpc is back, nice

[dark ember]

My review as a professional that has been playing Outlaw for fifteen seconds.

Midnight Outlaw is currently the most fun version of it full stop. RTB less painful, you get to do the shooting of the guns, blade flurry is a mostly painless aoe to activate.

Still has some flaws however in the core design that I suspect we won't see addressed until another expansion iteration.

This is the best version of RTB and it still feels more like a chore rather than a fun thing to do. I think we should just kill it entirely tbh. Restless blades, too. Frankly I believe the core rotation is fun but we need to lay to rest this dream of restless blades when all it ultimately does is punish us for downtime. Kill off these Ambush hopes entirely and focus on "What if a rogue didn't have to go invisible."

[gaunt phoenix]

nothing really anything other than making a call to delay AR for a second

[copper radish]

I hear Zac likes outlaw

[dark ember]

Also it's Outlaw so the numbers are gonna be bad. But I expect a cope buff on season start as a treat to get more than twenty people into the spec.

[quiet ore]

Surely we could, say, defer btte for a bit and bank extra bullets for gravedigger

[gaunt phoenix]

Removing rtb and restless blades is basically renaming the spec to something else at that point

[dark ember]

Yes

[copper radish]

If they took cdr off outlaw I would find it hard to play

[astral granite]

So, basically, the main outlaw issues related to downtime are still present or.. even worse, right?

What did change about BF?

[quiet ore]

We have a talent to mitigate short downtimes a bit now

[dark ember]

I mean there's Deadly Pursuit

[copper radish]

It was base 50% or so and now it’s 25% lmao

[vivid vessel]

i mean it does nothing for the actual downtime that hurts outlaw

and i doubt it will do anything for short downtime that happen frequently cause it will trigger randomly before that

and even if it triggers when you want it does nothing

talent is placebo

[astral granite]

Oh wow that looks strong on paper

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw suffers from downtime cuz it is not a burst spec, every global matters

while other specs can dick around being cds

there is not an easy fix to this other than turning outlaw into a burst spec, which sure, but then it's not outlaw

[vivid vessel]

really?

[astral granite]

So AOE is bad now? or ST really good? Or neither lol

[vivid vessel]

i mean its not

[astral granite]

Its still capped?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[copper radish]

I mean flurry still doing 30% + of your overall I guess it’s good idk

[dark ember]

RTB is also just not good fantasy either. Weird gamey ability from a flavor perspective.

Yarre matey, I'm a fierce pirate, lemme just shit out 6 comically large foam dice out me arse

Never got it.

[cinder relic]

Its also restless blades

Not just not having burst

[vivid vessel]

wdym 30%

[short heath]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[vivid vessel]

in tww it did like 60% of your overall

about that

[copper radish]

Overall dmg in dungeons

[quiet ore]

Ime, AoE keeps up with other dps in normal pulls rn, but in ST it's harder to match other specs without sticking to a boss like glue and actually trolling mechanics

[vivid vessel]

ye well i hope it does more than 30% :D

[gaunt phoenix]

sure, "every global matters" covered that in my thoughts

[vivid vessel]

i havent looked at numbers

[buoyant stratus]

Make deadly pursuit increase the damage of something so dicking around isnt punishing imo

[vivid vessel]

or add a charge to adr thboughts ..

[buoyant stratus]

Best i can do is 4 min prep no restless

[vivid vessel]

what de helly

[buoyant stratus]

Google en passant

[dark ember]

Your good time being dependent on RTB favorability is complete ass.

Two of a kind, one of a kind, two of a kind, one of a kind, one of a kind, jackpot for 6 seconds before intermission, one of a kind

[vivid vessel]

with loaded dice

and kir

you dont really stay on one of a kind

[lime lake]

Wtf did you just call me

[buoyant stratus]

Sleight of hand believer here

[buoyant stratus]

Holy hell

[vivid vessel]

tho it depends on your uptime ;D

[dark ember]

I liked when we had the choice to super-upgrade slice and dice and could let RTB go

Bring that back please. Maybe make it the left side tree where the ambush talents that nobody uses are

What if

Roll the Bones had charges

[quiet ore]

Those ambush talents are beloved for many seasons, they've just been finally down-tuned to not be best

[dark ember]

What if there was a talent where you now had a 50/50 chance to get one of a kind or jackpot

Call it All In

[copper radish]

Anyone make an addon to track rolls so I can see my jackpot % chance

[vivid vessel]

cant do that

[gaunt phoenix]

You cant

[dark ember]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[maiden valley]

how bad is it to go trickster currently? i really enjoy now having to use tricks all the time

[copper radish]

Damn that sucks lmao. Had 4 jackpot rolls the other day in a row was living the high life

[lime lake]

My nickname in Bible study

[dark ember]

All the pros will tell you don't do this but it's been ight tbh. Seems cool if you like Killing Spree

[gaunt phoenix]

when you are geared with haste, trickster is within 5%, but you do have a wider RNG variance, and worse priority dmg

[maiden valley]

ye killing spree is dope

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not terrible but it just offers no advantage other than tricks

[maiden valley]

got a dungeon talent build for it?

[dark ember]

My vibe is I don't like Killing Spree = Fate, I do like Killing Spree = Trick

[wintry phoenix]

Even on AoE?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[copper radish]

Fatebound superiority for season one

[trim tiger]

is there a pin for talents ?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's in faq

[dark ember]

Also Trick seems like a PvP hopeful since the 5% less damage taken?

[mighty pivot]

make blinding powder convert blind to aoe again

[gaunt phoenix]

#outlaw-faq

[trim tiger]

tyty

[copper radish]

Prob not w the amount KS gets CCd by people

[dark ember]

Tru

[copper radish]

Press KS and someone gets an alert and it’s over lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

trying to burst down a target but KS cleaves other people randomly

[astral granite]

Did they touch restless?

[gaunt phoenix]

[quiet ore]

It's unfortunate because trickster feels ok to play, with KS channel time smoothing energy a bit like in days of yore (until you're fantastically unlucky), it just lacks the raw efficiency fb has with energy and cp bonuses

[dark ember]

What do we expect to happen on season patch notes?

5% buff?

[gaunt phoenix]

I think trickster should have a talent that makes KS deal full aoe, and maybe channel faster or something

[dark ember]

Fate more energy efficient?

[gaunt phoenix]

and then trickster has an actual advantage somewhere

Fatebound has extra energy, opportunity proc chance, and CPs from sinister strike

[quiet ore]

FB has bonuses that grant energy refund on conflip (finisher) and extra CP on oppo

[dark ember]

Yeah every extra comb is energy saved

Dam

[quiet ore]

I have NO IDEA why they removed the 100% cleave from KS when they made it a finisher. Really killed the niche it was trying to carve out as an AoE burst.

[glass mortar]

honestly its not so bad anymore

u forgot that kspree also doesnt rlly do damage

[gaunt phoenix]

also just make fazed debuff chain to 8 targets

[glass mortar]

if they press a big button to counter kspree frankly u got lucky

[gaunt phoenix]

so you dont lose 8% dmg by target swapping

on it

[quiet ore]

It's like 2% more if you sim in front of targets instead of behind to maximize fazed utility

[mystic berry]

hear me out, 2 min cd adr

or 2 charges like solo said

[quiet ore]

Why tho

[glass mortar]

2 charge, 2m would be not the direction they want to go

since that would just be flat buffing AR uptime quite a bit

[gaunt phoenix]

i think charges would be really interesting cause we still have loaded dice

[glass mortar]

less awkward then how prep works as well

but ye would make loaded dice more interesting too

[frail veldt]

Yeah we'd get into some wild corner cases

Could be cool

I don't think we need 2 min

[mystic berry]

Any way we go, I think buffing adr is a good answer

Without overhauling the spec

[gaunt phoenix]

wonder if we would straight up hold AR for stage 3 and aggressively roll for it

[glass mortar]

well i wouldnt mind the buffing its power (make it give haste baseline or remove the AR tax)

they chose to make it such low uptime tho so i assume they dont wanna buff its duration... soon anyway

[quiet ore]

Stage 3 is just 30% more cdr right

[vivid vessel]

until we get new dev next season

or expac

and he has another idea

[glass mortar]

sure

any real dev iteration

would be nice

[vivid vessel]

reminder that most changes we got with outlaw rework in df s3 were feedback on things we thought didnt work with outlaw

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

and then it all got removed with midnight

cause idk

[gaunt phoenix]

it is, but we can only get so many globals during it

[vivid vessel]

we like removing good work

[astral granite]

Is realz gone?

[vivid vessel]

certainly

[gaunt phoenix]

ofc stage 4 is too rare to hold AR for it, but maybe stage 3 is plausible

[mighty pivot]

Sugar Rush: AR only activates for 6s after pressing bte

[quiet ore]

I mean, if that was plausible with just an adr charge, it'd make sense to, today, shift lower value resource gen globals a few seconds to align after a reroll to attempt to exploit a potential higher stage, no?

Like, hold your gravedigger btte for an extra build->dispatch set if it lets you reroll first or something

Since then you might luck out and get to send your extra finishers with stage 3+

[gaunt phoenix]

I could see it

[random stirrup]

he reacted with an upside down smiley face to a post about fixing coup gcd a couple weeks ago!

[gaunt phoenix]

But bte doesnt have charges

[vivid vessel]

ye for sub

i know he has been in sub chat multiple time

and i know he was asked about outlaw stuffs in sub chat

and he said he didnt know

so

now maybe im wrong ?

but lets be honest

when was the last time i was wrong eh

[quiet ore]

It doesn't need to if you're banking 6 bullets - it's resetting anyway, and you have ~30s you can push that reset around in

[gaunt phoenix]

I just asked him about sleight of hand and he has no idea what it's doing

[vivid vessel]

right

[mystic berry]

lol

what are the roll weights anyway?

[gaunt phoenix]

He's free from outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

55%, 30%, 10%, 5%

Or so we think

[vivid vessel]

in reality its just 50/50

as everything

[vapid sundial]

Give us realz bakc

Maybe outlaw will be real again

[glass mortar]

if u held those bullets for 30 seconds ud likely have wasted ~2 natural BtE casts due to BtE cdr tho, its still pretty inefficient even if gravedigger gives a single reset

[copper radish]

Seeing as I got 4 jackpots in a row yesterday I’d say 100% chance for 4 roll

[vivid vessel]

solo do i replace my back cuh

[glass mortar]

i think for this level of optimization to be net positive u need to have charges

[vivid vessel]

[chrome zinc]

If I have 2 daggers at 237 and a sword at 224, why isn’t it letting me upgrade the sword for free up to 237?

[gaunt phoenix]

Cause game sucks

[vivid vessel]

are the daggers the same

or can you equip both of them

at the same time

[quiet ore]

Right, but if you only need to hold for maybe 3s, even if it allows for more, it could be worth

[chrome zinc]

Can equip both

[vivid vessel]

lie !

[glass mortar]

sure my main point being gravedigger does not work as a psuedo charge

[vivid vessel]

relog cuh

[glass mortar]

u will still give up some amount of bte casts if ur ever doing that

same as ar

[chrome zinc]

I’ll try it and if it still doesn’t work, I’ll bug report

[glass mortar]

which is why its probably not a gain

[vivid vessel]

not intel ?

[mystic berry]

50% chance of shit

[vivid vessel]

needs to be agi

cant be intel

[quiet ore]

Depends on the relative value of potentially extra cdr from a stage 3 buff vs just getting the cdr sooner

[gaunt phoenix]

for me like some rando cloak+boots started to sim better

[vivid vessel]

ok im doing it

i like big ilvl

its more fun

[gaunt phoenix]

yuh

[glass mortar]

yea of course, my main point was just that gravedigger is very poor at emulating "charges" on an ability so i doubt it would be a gain now even if it was a gain if u added charges

u could tune it so it was a gain even without charges but outlaw just rarely ends up like that

wanting to hold abilities for literally any amount of time

[gaunt phoenix]

Well we already hold bte for supercharger

[quiet ore]

I feel like trying to slightly shift resources to after a roll also benefits a miss roll, since then you also get to the next reroll faster

[gaunt phoenix]

can happen

I need to see if ks should not be supercharged

[glass mortar]

if we had AR charges ud never need to hold BtE for supercharger and lose out on casts of it

js

💅

[quiet ore]

BTE is just easy to move by a few seconds in its current iteration since it just resets its own CD so often that its own cd matters less, imo

[glass mortar]

every cast you missed out on it was a chance at multiple resets tho

[keen belfry]

4 lvl 90s

[glass mortar]

which further increases the cost of losing whole uses as well

which pushes back against the value it gains from gravedigger giving freebies

idk its kinda a wash feels like to me

[keen belfry]

feels good going into AR with 2 supercharged BTEs with 50% reset or whatever the math is

had multiple moments where i press bte 3 times in a row with 2 ace

crackshot 1/5th is back baby

[quiet ore]

That sounds right - 10cps effectively at 5% each

[kind kite]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glass mortar]

50% chance at the full reset and guarenteed 2 cp back from ruthlessness

with 2 point ace its also a guarenteed recast of BtE when it triggers

🥹

[quiet ore]

I've had moments where my btte stacks climb to double digits and I start panicking because I know I'm pumping but I have nothing special to do to take advantage of this huge boon

[glass mortar]

the only time

[vivid vessel]

on my other rogue it was a main hand im like almost certain

can you make it change back

i tried changing loot spec it still show dagger

maybe i need to logut idk

[glass mortar]

it feels weird

like on another spec this would be a window ur designed to play around

but tracking this buff as outlaw is just 4 the memes

[wide arch]

I had mine say a dagger last week, and when i completed it it turned into a sword

[glass mortar]

"oh im randomly doing like 70% more damage on all abilities because of BtE stacks and coins right now" time for some more SS 😎

[vivid vessel]

maybe it just change on loot spec then i guess idk

[quiet ore]

Yeah... I should probably just drop btte buff and coin buffs from my buff bar tbh, they don't play into any logic rn

[glass mortar]

i like seeing the number go high

[keen belfry]

oh shit the math is also guaranteed +2cp from ruthelsss/essnes?

[glass mortar]

its funny

but yea its like, welp theres no value to tracking these and i feel like i wanna make value some way

should be isnt it 20% per cp

so at 5 its guarenteed 1 refund

[gaunt phoenix]

should bte not buffing autos be considered a bug? it says all damage, like fatebound, not ability damage

[glass mortar]

at 10 should be guarenteed 2

[keen belfry]

coin buff no doubt, i sometimes like to see if BTE buff is up/how many

[keen belfry]

is it not???

[vivid vessel]

sure

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

but like

who cares right

[glass mortar]

well autos are our haste/lust scaling now so

[keen belfry]

id say thats 100% a bugf based off how its written

[glass mortar]

wtf

let us scale blizzard

add autos to bte buff hello

????

add trinkets too btw

[keen belfry]

i mean id say bte not buffing autos are a decent dmg loss right?

[glass mortar]

i wanna hold my 3 minute on use damage amp for the 1 time i get 8 bte stacks in a fight

then do double damage with it

[quiet ore]

Fun fact: coins have an AA buff component. They remembered on that one.

[glass mortar]

yea i mean

how do i say this nicely without seeming toxic

it feels like eyes were barely put on outlaw this design cycle

other then do the bare minimum u can to get it in compliance with the grand simplification

so all the little stuff that makes stuff feel like it was designed with the spec in mind kinda misses

im sure itll get added to bte at some point theres no real reason to not have it on

[quiet ore]

Eh, it's an eminently playable design that still sits at a slightly higher complexity bar that most other specs - it just also still has most of its old foibles and quirks

[glass mortar]

its just like them forgetting to buff autos/nerf autos when they do template changes every other expac

ok but its like 95% the same spec it was from 4 years ago just with a bunch of the new design ripped out and some leftovers from the new kit

thats what i mean

it is definitly functional

alot of the new stuff doesnt feel like it exactly meshes with outlaw

and stuff like BtE buff not impacting autos etc

[keen belfry]

its still the only post covid feeling spec ive leveled so far

most specs ive played feel 2012 esque

liek somebody that i used to knmow is blasting the whole time

[glass mortar]

how has the baseline wow UI that shows PS proc not been updated for FtH after

is this our third expac of having FtH

it is right

[quiet ore]

Me, levelling a demo lock: "wait. There's only one real spender?"

[keen belfry]

i really want a sound proc on fth

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm used to it

[keen belfry]

some of these specs are crazy man

devdh is actually

a fart of a spec

really cool goal, but the way you accomplish it is straight outta 2008 housing collapse timeline

i do HOPE that this pruning is going to be just creating template specs taht get filled out

i dont like template specs being the xpac feature tho

[glass mortar]

they werent, housing was the xpac feature

they didnt announce the spec lobotomization or the UI war until after preorder had been out for a few months

[keen belfry]

housing was the prepatch feature

[glass mortar]

housing was also the expac feature bozo didnt u watch the ion video

the final boss of the expac is actually just a guy breaking into ur house

u better hope ur guildies r out here gathering the best cosmetics

if he doesnt like ur furniture he enrages

[keen belfry]

ion being positive about someth9iing, call him cation

any stem joke enjoyers

[quiet ore]

It can't be because I can only catch tww fish off the coast of my beach house. Checkmate.

[glass mortar]

ok but will they do a housing boss

we've gotten meme bosses of the casual features of each expac so far

[gaunt phoenix]

nice hero talent

[quiet ore]

There is one already and it's pink trees

[glass mortar]

wheres the boss where the group needs to assemble a reasonable property to defend from npcs in like a 5 minute window

TRUE

[strange kelp]

Does he just leave if you have no house?

[glass mortar]

tfw the cash shop furniture is a dps boost vs the housing boss

[mighty pivot]

somehow fatebound has returned

[glass mortar]

no you get to sit on a bench on ur property and watch ur guild try to 19 man it because u baited them into inviting u despite not taking part in this expansions feature????

huge "i never spent my dragonriding talents" on tindral energy

[indigo token]

why is hidden opportunity still in our talent tree as a capstone man

[glass mortar]

😠

[cinder relic]

I mean I know I'm an optimistic person when it comes to blizz, but like, I feel it's impossible to go further for every spec. And every expansion they do add new bells and whistles.

Say what you want about hero talents, but that did add a lot to a handful of specs

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean, HO is a hotfix away from being good

[strange kelp]

Damn right!

[cinder relic]

I think it's valid to say many classes are too simple rn but a lot of stuff will come back in time

It's the same as stat squishes, it's inevitable

[quiet ore]

Imma be honest, from a "I play the game at max level" perspective, hero trees make very little sense. Basically no builds to be made within them. One big choice node with 100 lines of text inside it.

[cinder relic]

Cuz it's not that bad

A small buff and or a tier set would make it viable

[glass mortar]

i think they just ran out of time to replace it

time and/or effort

feels weird to go 95% of the way to removing stealth from the spec entirely as a dps boost

then just leave HO in

[strange kelp]

They def over pruned, like you look at MM and it's just "cast aimed shot" in essence

[quiet ore]

Naw, they only replaced the talents that were categorically unusably bad - HO was well liked for a long time

[gaunt phoenix]

well, it's a branch from the covenant tree right

[glass mortar]

it was?

[gaunt phoenix]

but covenants and conduits were way better i think

[glass mortar]

HO was only here for like 6 months before crackshot/uhuh tho

[cinder relic]

And it was still liked?what

[glass mortar]

sure

but stealth wasnt

[indigo token]

at a glance, only DBD has something to do with ambush, nothing else in our spec tree synergizes with it

[glass mortar]

and it was always tied to stealth more then any other outlaw build

it had more aggresive vanish rules then kir before crackshot even

[cinder relic]

Audacity

[indigo token]

oh

i missed that

[glass mortar]

at this point, why not just make audacity turn SS into something else and remove ambush entirely from outlaws kit

its just this last tiny tie in like haha if u take this vanish might be a 0.7% dps boost

[cinder relic]

Why not just make ho slightly better?

[glass mortar]

because i thought the point was everyone hated stealth in outlaws kit so much we had to remove the stealth stuff

i want the stealth stuff gone if vanish is gunna be off RB, i dont ever even want the implication its a dps gain to press idk

and it would barely even impact HOs gameplay to remove it being ambush

[gaunt phoenix]

tbf, an ambush every 2 minutes compared to the current SS is probably straight up 0% dps

[glass mortar]

i guess i dont see why even have it be tied to ambush/a stealth spell when its already designed to replace SS as a button when it procs

[vivid vessel]

NO

[glass mortar]

and clearly only be pressed on proc

[mighty pivot]

make without a trace also add vanish back on rb

[glass mortar]

it should be a new spell

[cinder relic]

Why does ambush necessarily have to be a stealth button

[glass mortar]

and therefore a new animation

oh it doesnt need to be they could remove that also

i mean im a greedy fuk who wants new animations

[cinder relic]

Multiple specs have a like, focus on "enhanced buttons"

[glass mortar]

but if they just made ambush not a spell usable from stealth thatd fix it

[cinder relic]

Like warrior has recklessness gives you better bloodthirst and better raging blow

[glass mortar]

i just dont want there to ever be any silly "0.5% dps" to use vanish on cd rules for us

[cinder relic]

That could be ambush for the spec, if it got like, a buff and a tier set

What if we got a tier set like, every ambush cast reduces the cdr of ar by 10 seconds

Or smthing like that

[gaunt phoenix]

They could make the proc Audacity better than stealth ambush, like make it cheaper or stronger

then stealth still doesnt matter

[cinder relic]

Woah suddenly ho and audacity look more appealing

[glass mortar]

none of my complaints have been about the numerical tuning of HO

[cinder relic]

I think it's too often conflated that "this talent isn't strong" and "it needs to be reworked to be strong"

Especially when out capstones aren't exactly like, centralizing power wise atm

[glass mortar]

thatd also work, reduce ambushes base power and make audacity make it do double damage or something

[gaunt phoenix]

yuh

Or HO (the talent) only works with audacity active

then stealth ambush would really suck ass

[quiet ore]

Yeah, no oppo no reason to press

See: shiv

[mighty pivot]

what is the point of making stealth ambush suck ass? to make subterfuge unappealing?

[gaunt phoenix]

To talent HO without inviting Vanish back into the rotation

[mighty pivot]

it's a 2min button anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

well sure

it might already not matter

[radiant wyvern]

does the voidlight bindings set bonus sim properly on raidbots

[glass mortar]

i doubt it would be enough to make subterfuge considerable, but that depends on how bad supercharger is

[radiant wyvern]

or is it just actual ass

[quiet ore]

I do miss having a root break every 20s or so

Can we get cc break on grapple or something

[cinder relic]

But yeah I think the nice thing about ho as a talent is that it can enable synergy with a tier set, if they decide to lean into it

[gaunt phoenix]

i can at least see the code where it is written, though who's to say it if actually works

[frail veldt]

were down bad in pvp thats for sure

[gaunt phoenix]

it does have this

[radiant wyvern]

hm

so it's not verified at all

ty solo

[frail veldt]

tbh at that point it shouldnt even be called ambush

it would just be a damage/cp buff to your next SS

which could be cool

[cinder relic]

It being a different spell gives it a different animation which looks cooler

And just feels cooler

[frail veldt]

yeah some type of slash similar to coup de gras or something

just a lil spice

ambush is so played out

[glass mortar]

it should be a new (modern) spell with a new (modern) animation

keeping it as ambush as in excuse to not make their artists make us more nice stuff

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a bit different than SS in that ambush is frontloaded CPs that doesnt need a proc

[glass mortar]

think about it mewo what if u procced HO and ur next SS launched like 5 tumbleweeds at the target

[frail veldt]

yeah I think the buff could grant this somehow

[quiet ore]

U proc gravedigger and you hear "it's high noon" as you fan the hammer

[untold wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/middle-of-nowhere-lost-desert-tumbleweed-windy-gif-12085917

triple outlaw keys

[frail veldt]

lolol

[fluid meadow]

what is this maokai ulti

[frail veldt]

this is patrick

[gusty pagoda]

Been trying out outlaw while leveling my rogue and it feels pretty slow and energy starved in ST to me. Does this get better at max lvl with better gear and haste?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

as you approach 20% haste (really 25% but thats not possible atm) you dont really get starved if you are playing well

The last apex talent helps with energy too

[dark ember]

It has problems but it doesn't feel unbearable to me at 90 even now.

Slows down a bit when you lose your Tea charges but that takes me like 2+ minutes of sustained ST fighting

[gusty pagoda]

love to hear it, I can imagine it feels pretty fun at that point

[astral granite]

@gaunt phoenix does this outlaw reming you of shadowlands one?

Remind*

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes, it's kind of like season 4 blunderbuss

but shadowlands kyrian with marked for death was a lot more fun

To me

[polar kelp]

Never thought I'd say it...but I miss killing spree

We can't complain about much anymore

[astral granite]

Is Ks gone?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's reworked and also not very good

[polar kelp]

Well it's changed but we don't play trickster at all anyway

[frail veldt]

For now

[glass mortar]

for the whole expac i pray

we will def get some tier set for trickster at some point tho

[frail veldt]

One tuning pass will fix that 😉

[glass mortar]

[polar kelp]

True, season 2 tier set is gonna be killing spree related, calling it now

[quiet ore]

Master Assassin+Killing Spree - the only time outlaw has ever had AoE burst

[astral granite]

Good times

[polar kelp]

I just miss the mandatory press on cooldown 10% chance to kill yourself move lol

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw design absolutely peaked in shadowlands

[glass mortar]

[frail veldt]

Didn't we have some cannon barrage ability at some point

[glass mortar]

legion

[astral granite]

I miss sbs tbh

[glass mortar]

idt it was played but that was a long time ago

[gaunt phoenix]

though I also really liked season 1 dragonflight using vanish and dance as a fallback when procs run out

[quiet ore]

It does gut me that they tried to give us sepsis instead of ER or SBS in the df rework

[gaunt phoenix]

true lmao

[polar kelp]

Anyone else miss the "good roll!", "bad roll!" Great roll!"

[keen belfry]

I think season 2 was so fun in fights where KS wasn’t a threat to kill

Of tww

[astral granite]

Thats mistler weakaura right?

[glass mortar]

if we hadnt had kspree s2 woulda been a banger

[polar kelp]

Ya

[glass mortar]

any gameplay outside pvp involving that spell was not fun to me tho

[quiet ore]

Tbf, with ER in the base tree replaced with supercharger, we could get ER back one day as a 'law talent

[astral granite]

I kept reworking it until TWW lol

[keen belfry]

Like PSF was so fun season 2 most things were just press KS on cd

[glass mortar]

sepsis never stood a chance i woulda rather played it then ghostly in DF tbh

it even procced ambush which now had multiple ties in to laws kit back then

very pretty animation

the beta versions datamining had it with RB!!! what could have been 😠

[cinder relic]

Shadowlands, DF s1 and then now are my favs

[gaunt phoenix]

Huge

[cinder relic]

I really like current outlaw tbqh

Bfa was also very good

Mainly because of breath of the dying

Very fun essence

[gaunt phoenix]

bfa the dark ages

almost a decade ago

where does time go

[short heath]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[mystic berry]

what the fuck

[west ridge]

dont you mean blood of the enemy?

[west ridge]

plz stahp

[tacit shuttle]

Yeah chaps I just had bte proc 9 times in a row

[vapid sundial]

They gave the other 2 specs a unique cov power and tried to give us that nonsense that sin also had..

actual insanity how blatant their hate was

[crisp elm]

is there any alternative to KiR or that like the only build rn?

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-family-guy-peter-griffin-insane-crazy-gif-21485232

[cinder relic]

Kir really isn't a build it's just a button

[vapid sundial]

I am. Going to. Find it

One. Sec

[crisp elm]

well last ssn was kir/ho, so was just wondering if same thing this ssn, or if thats gone

but u right, it is a button not build lol

[vapid sundial]

Botd on nzoth

Meanwhile rf

[jovial shard]

this might be a dumb question, but why after using a finisher do I sometimes go to 2 combos instead of just 1 (that I would expect from Ruthlessness)

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/bobarens-flour-sope-soap-defeated-by-scran-gif-21834899

[glass mortar]

HO is undertuned and KiR isnt rlly impactful enough to be called kir build anymore i feel like

the overhead of the actual button itself is pretty mild now

u r practically casting it on cd most of the time

[cinder relic]

Those were the days

[crisp elm]

ya looks like a decent bit has changed since i last played it, will have to do some reading, ty guys

[vapid sundial]

Divers folly + rf

Outlaw pad days

Throw in torment too

(real ones used the shell)

[cinder relic]

Ruthlessness goes over 100%

So at 7 cp you have a 100% chance for 1cp and a 40% chance for 2

[cinder relic]

In previous tiers it was very much a build

They felt very different

But now, not so much

Kir is just "more rtb" no nonsense

But also, there aren't alternatives atm

[untold wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-on-a-car-driving-like-a-car-gif-14596658005480447394

[icy shale]

is outlaw about to be the go to rogue spec?

[vapid sundial]

No one knows til heroic week

Don't craft until heroic week tuning.

[keen belfry]

Maybe

[icy shale]

ughhhhh lol i do not wanna play outlaw haha but if its guna be the best i suppose i gotta learn it,

[balmy topaz]

Awang did you see my finished UI?

[cinder relic]

It's outlaw or sub

Or sin post buff lmao

[loud quail]

Hey guys, do you know any macro that I can use so trick of the trade is applied on the tank without having to make a focus target ?

[balmy topaz]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[balmy topaz]

There @loud quail

[keen belfry]

theres onmly a few outcomes qazzi.

either it starts out OP and gets nerfed
or it starts our OP and doesnt get nerfed
or it starts out mid and gets buffed
or it starts out mid and gets nerfed
or it starts out mid and doesnt get changes
or it starts out bad and gets buffed
or it starts out bad and gets no changes
or it starts out bad and gets nerfed

there ya go qazzi

[loud quail]

Meh, really need to download an addon just for that ?

[keen belfry]

show

[glass mortar]

theres no baseline blizzard functionality to do tricks stuff so

u can either make 1-2 macros or dl the addon

[glass mortar]

i just made the priest PI macro for tricks and ive been using that since the tricks addon wasnt up when i made it

[keen belfry]

goood

this how all mine look atm

[loud quail]

I see, this is weird cause i remembered doing macros for arena that would target specifically my team mate

[balmy topaz]

oooo niceeee

[keen belfry]

buffs arent always showing

[glass mortar]

sure because ur party members are in the same slots in arena

[cinder relic]

So true

[balmy topaz]

What's the crosshair you have?

[pastel pendant]

i need it

[balmy topaz]

Like what addon

[glass mortar]

or if they arent healers will usually request group change until they are

tanks are not always in the same slot, especially if u want ur macro to work across raids and parties

[keen belfry]

its um

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

wildtools omrsoewmotniug

[untold wadi]

https://legacy.curseforge.com/wow/addons/mutesoundfile

then u will need leatrix sounds to find soundids

[keen belfry]

is this the real zach?>

[untold wadi]

i cant remember what else i use for soundids

[keen belfry]

is zach back

[untold wadi]

u might have a better time manually editing ur config file btw

depends how much stuff

leatrix sounds lets u also preview every sfx/vo in game as well

doesnt have regex search iirc tho

[mighty pivot]

you can just find the soundID through wowhead

[untold wadi]

yea

[mighty pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=453010/fatebound-coin#sounds

[untold wadi]

p sure i found it easier to preview sfx in game, havent added to my list in ages

[mighty pivot]

might need all the sound ids from the playlists though (that was the case with muting cold blood)

[untold wadi]

yea there are tons of dupes as well

[charred fox]

Yall think outlaw will be viable in raids or should I pick up an off-spec ?

[craggy barn]

define what you mean by viable

[charred fox]

Usable for heroic / mythic prog
Or will I try to join a guild and they will say “play assassin/sub or kick rocks”

[cinder relic]

Will it be viable? Almost certainly

Will it be the best? Nobody knows

[keen belfry]

if u join a casual CE guild and they make uj play certain specs u can leave that guild

[craggy barn]

u are unlikely to be unable to kill a mythic boss with someone running an outlaw

[glass mortar]

for that metric its been viable basically every season so it will certainly be viable

whether or not guilds u try to join yell at u to play something else just depends on tuning

[charred fox]

Ty all 🫡

New to the retail meta
Used to be told IEA or leave 🙃

[keen belfry]

i eat ass

[patent mirage]

outlaw is fun

[lethal oak]

[pastel pendant]

i just need to mute the coin sounds

[charred fox]

Yall play with game sound ?

[ancient cobalt]

yeah i cant play with music

i have to hear my swords clang

[wintry solar]

I have to hear music and sounds

Much more dramatic that way

[charred fox]

^ now you’re onto something here

[mighty pivot]

poopoo listens to country music and has the cows in the background while playing

[obsidian light]

I have a specific question on Slice and Dice, should I be pressing it mid pulls? I understand AR->Slice but does it get applied anywhere automatically?

[mighty pivot]

yes dispatch gives you 3s of snd per combo point (cut to the chase passive in your spellbook)

[wintry solar]

I listen to everything but rap

[mighty pivot]

kpop?

[obsidian light]

nice that answers it, i was searching on the talent tree forgot to check the spellbook thanks

[mighty pivot]

you are taking a suspiciously long time to answer popo

[wintry solar]

I've never heard a single song of that genre but I listen to BSB so maybe

[charred fox]

Kpop slaps sometimes

Pink pony club is my GoTo for “last pull best pull”

[crisp elm]

is there roll rules in faq? outlaw feeling awesome tbh

[mighty pivot]

outlaw's back, alright

(it's not)

[untold yarrow]

ngl but outlaw feels kinda good in m0s

except energy

[mystic berry]

I gotta say though, people are betting on sub rn, that sky high initial contact burst is popping some eyes

[crisp elm]

just wanna know if theres any point to stop rolling, ex. 3 buff/4buff do you just let it run out. or say 4 buff w kir, just wait til it expires?

[crisp elm]

so only rerolling 1, anything 2+ you hold?

[mystic berry]

yes

[crisp elm]

sick ttty!

[mystic berry]

1 is terrible, so bad you dont risk getting it

[quaint mauve]

what should i get for lunch

you only roll 2 with loaded dice

[crisp elm]

2 as in "too"? or

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/bE6dR.gif

[quaint mauve]

2 buffs

or level 2

[crisp elm]

aahh

got it

ty

[untold yarrow]

why does opener say to roll before ADR instead of adr and roll?

[mystic berry]

it doesnt

loaded dice lasts 45 seconds

you hold it

[cinder relic]

People are betting on sub because it's a dagger rogue spec and people always default daggers to being better

[mystic berry]

tru

[cinder relic]

Outlaw has been good on tiers before. Burst is ofc a boon but there are tiers where it doesn't matter much