outlaw

[frail veldt]

well the turn is relevant if the mob is facing the path you want to take

[vivid vessel]

but thats frankly irrelevatn

[frail veldt]

like you wouldnt just turn them in place right

[nova sinew]

and MS has a 6s or so cd

[vivid vessel]

eh

[frail veldt]

or if you turned them the wrong way

that could fuck you

[vivid vessel]

no but just pressing distract on the mobs is enough for like 90% of cases really

[frail veldt]

yeah I see

[vivid vessel]

like you mostly just need to reduce their awarness

[buoyant stratus]

Holy ur yellow

[frail veldt]

I didnt know it reduced the red circle part

[vivid vessel]

well

its the important part

[nova sinew]

mustard just like u

[vivid vessel]

thats why distract shroud is op

and let you go trough basically anything

you remember the drakes in that dungeon in df

the dungoen in the cave thing

[frail veldt]

I hate when I shroud and people treat it like invis pot and walk directly through mobs

[buoyant stratus]

Hall of infusion

[vivid vessel]

te

ye

[nova sinew]

this happens like most the time i try to use shroud lol

[vivid vessel]

halls

[nova sinew]

or they turn on burning rush

[vivid vessel]

you know you had the drakes

[nova sinew]

or blink

[vivid vessel]

that you would mind soothe

but people didnt jknow you could do the same skip with shroud

you could even skip the last drake with shroud distract

tho it was very hard

[frail veldt]

I was thinking BRH

the stairs part

[vivid vessel]

and you couldnt even do that last drake skip with shoothe i think

[nova sinew]

shroud being on the player and able to break vs MS being on the mob that you can spam cast makes it so much easier to use

[vivid vessel]

idk brh it was just op cause with soothe you would do the cages

[buoyant stratus]

Most played last drake iirc

[livid pewter]

are we already crafting anything? like weapon maybe?

[frail veldt]

blackrook hold

not brh

other brh

[vivid vessel]

ah

[frail veldt]

lol

[nova sinew]

that is also fade being op

[vivid vessel]

i dont remember the skips there

[nova sinew]

to be fair

[vivid vessel]

ye maybe

[nova sinew]

could you stealth the boxes in OFG

[vivid vessel]

idk i played all s3 without priest so i dont remember

[frail veldt]

fade is insane when stacked with sooth yeah

[nova sinew]

i know you could do the same fade + ms trick

i never tried distracting

[vivid vessel]

ok so

i need someone

to explain to me

why is it that everytime i try to sap a guy

the valeera attack it

[frail veldt]

valeera is SO BROKEN

[vivid vessel]

this bithc is useless no

[nova sinew]

valeera just pulls shit randomly when im in stealth

[frail veldt]

she randomly runs at mobs im not even in combat with

[prisma vessel]

only good thing about Valeera is she has "good" healing.

kinda.

[nova sinew]

valeera is good at looking nice that is kinda it

[buoyant stratus]

For a rogue shes not very sneaky

[vivid vessel]

ahg

ok

so

funny thing is

i have a ping on my sap

@ player assist that i use when in comabt to ping me right

and valeera react to pings

and will attack mobs

when you ping

did you guys know

[prisma vessel]

if she does, thats pretty crazy.

[vivid vessel]

ok but why would she attack mob when i ping i need help on myself

maybe she should heal me instead

[lime lake]

maybe you should stop being a needy bitch and let valeera do what she wants

[desert tendon]

i would never heal zac

[echo bloom]

!talents

do we have something? XD

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[untold wadi]

!wangbar

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[untold wadi]

yes we have wangbra

[cinder relic]

I feel like I've had no issue with valeera

[crimson spade]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[river wing]

ok I have a question
who tf thought it was reasonable to make a mastery that makes extra offhand strikes, but then made Fatal Flourish energy ticks normalized
like wouldn't it actually incentivize to build for mastery more if it could actually feed you energy?

[gaunt phoenix]

fatal flourish is normalized to offhand melee swings, but it is not normalized to main gauche

so, if you could proc mastery more often, it is more energy

but, the mastery stat is just increasing the damage ratio, which is fine imo

we already have haste to influence energy

[river wing]

hmmm

oh right, Mastery doesn't actually increase proc chance for main gauche

(not anymore)

[formal thunder]

did it ever incease proc chance in recent time?

[untold yarrow]

is there a good way to do tricks as non trickster?

since we dont have the was anymore

[river wing]

idk about recent, I just remember it being that way in like, Cata
only picking up Outlaw this expac

[gaunt phoenix]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[north osprey]

Is there sth similiar for shroud by chance?

[leaden sonnet]

Shroud is not targetted, why would you need like that

[cinder relic]

If mastery increased the proc rate, we'd be complaining about having 2 different breakpoints

[north osprey]

More like the shroud announcer we used to have I mean

[leaden sonnet]

Fairly sure thats no longer possible

[fierce crow]

My rogue was my og main in vanilla-legion. I want to go back to him. What's good leveling spec?

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

[wicked forge]

None

[frail veldt]

Weak auras?

[tropic zephyr]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[frail veldt]

Is it time that I go back?

[keen belfry]

just the bar and mana bar

[frail veldt]

I'm not happy with like any addon rn

[fierce crow]

True that's why I abandoned him

[frail veldt]

EllesUI setup is super easy but it's missing a lot of functionality

Arcui has all the functionality I need but awful setup

[gaunt phoenix]

my m33kaura and wangbar have the same CP delay, am I crazy?

[frail veldt]

Are they not supposed to?

[wicked forge]

Why did Blizzard ban the use of weakauras if their script is dull and ugly, when modders had practically improved the game?

[wicked forge]

Btw using assa rn feels okay, you can go sub tho

[keen belfry]

its just the game noi

[wicked forge]

Btw rogues yap but in + they always top 2 dmg 😮‍💨

[cinder relic]

Sub or outlaw

[cinder relic]

Rogue is good rn

Nobody believe me

Too much negativity

[keen belfry]

they are same speed

[gaunt phoenix]

I thought wa could bypass the SS delay or smth

[wicked forge]

Yes, in previous expansions same yap but I think we are always fine

[cinder relic]

Correct

[untold wadi]

same yap cuz u dont get into keys

[wicked forge]

Thats a rogue issue, people see yellow? Nop

[nova sinew]

rogue is so far behind every other class for util lets just be real for a sec

yeah its prob fine in raid but

it brings very little

[wicked forge]

Idk, maybe a rework but cant think how

[nova sinew]

an aoe cc maybe?

is a good start

i was thinking aoe blackjack was going to be interesting

[wicked forge]

Flamestrike rogue before gta 6

[untold wadi]

so how is rogue fine

to me thats not fine if ur spec is straight up undesirable

[fossil lintel]

@proven ocean you playing again?

[proven ocean]

who tf is that

also you'll never find me advertising m0 boost

i made 1-3m gp per dungeon

[gaunt phoenix]

zero

[proven ocean]

800k world tour? not worth my time cuh

zero

oh wrong emote

[lime lake]

he couldnt stay away

[craggy barn]

they just got rid of our only aoe cc pepw

[nova sinew]

theyre giving us something better the 17th

alas 24s aoe cc is too strong

[craggy barn]

nah they "nerfed" dungeon pack design that requires aoe cc, so they got rid of ours. surely aoe cc isnt op anymore

[nova sinew]

nevermind priest having a 30s aoe cc that repeats itself automatically

[craggy barn]

aoe blind wouldve been too strong in pvp thats why they got rid of it

[nova sinew]

the only time i felt aoe blind was too powerful was when i got mind controlled on nexus king 🥶

[craggy barn]

we had aoe cc for one expac and apparently its too good and dungeons dont need aoe cc anymore so they got rid of it.

surely they did the same for other classes

surely removing aoe cc means we are survivable in aoe situations in world content too

[nova sinew]

hunter mage and maybe other classes were pruned in this area as well

yet they still have aoe cc, just not as much

doing m0s it is extremely apparent which dungeons were seasonal and which werent

murder rows last area is basically a mile long of caster packs

how are you supposed to do that without silence/dk?

maybe shroud will be useful

[craggy barn]

surely

umfort, blizz cant have shroud be useful

[crisp elm]

!races

[frail veldt]

anyone got a good better blizz plates profile they could share?

[harsh quartz]

first craft?

just curious what others did

[frail veldt]

I think a lot of people are waiting

[harsh quartz]

until raid week?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are sold on outlaw, you craft mainhand

but you will have to recraft it after the season

if you craft right now, you have a good weapon on day 1 raid prog

instead of having to bust your ass trying to get a weapon before raid or w.e

[winter cave]

being sold on outlaw ain't hard, it's selling it to the team that sucks ass 😂

[upper surge]

feel bad for outlaw because sin/sub can just craft a dagger now if they want i think

but from what I remember outlaw doesnt dagger MH right?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah need sword/fist/axe/mace

[upper surge]

rip

[stoic wagon]

why does the reputation trinket is less good than random 237 expedition trinket?

[gaunt phoenix]

It doesn't work for rogue in simc

[stoic wagon]

thank you

[gaunt phoenix]

i'd have to look into it... it's reading these proc flags

in theory, none of these should apply to rogue...

[glass mortar]

does PS not count as yellow ranged

funny stuff, it is just a simc bug tho right, i see myself with that trinket buff all the time

[gaunt phoenix]

no, it is melee

[glass mortar]

so i think its def functioning in the actual game

[gaunt phoenix]

perhaps it is proccing off a heal that is not implemented in simc

shrug

[glass mortar]

mmm maybe how odd

yea something def procs it for us its proccing on dummies for me anyway

im too lazy to take off all my healing talents and leech

[nova sinew]

The proc doesn’t seem super strong but maybe I’m missing something

[gaunt phoenix]

No, it's just a rando crit trinket

but, an accurate comparison would be nice

[arctic quartz]

do scoundrel strikes do anything or is it just damage?

[nova sinew]

Just the amount of stat is low compared to other trinkets

The troll drum trinket is more stat at the same duration (diff proc rate?) and you choose the stat

I’m guessing the void storm trinket is tuned around the console thing

[gaunt phoenix]

it's just damage, and potential mastery proc

[echo bloom]

Why is not on the center :(((((((((

[copper radish]

any1 else go with the devouring banding embelish looks nifty

[bronze wadi]

Blizz just teasing the new rogue rework that gives us another combo point

This whole re work has been bait

[still matrix]

@gaunt phoenix if im full dogging outlaw do I just craft mainland with hunt/void then off piece with a lining? With just veteran crests so that i guess can save spark incase embellishments get fked around? Or craft an offhand dagger idk i feel like all veteran crest crafted gear gonna get replaced in normal raid and hc raid anyway or some shit

[glass mortar]

might not be an oh second craft

oh is generally pretty low prio

but if u know ur gunna go outlaw ur unlikely to go wrong with a mh

[copper radish]

On wowhead the order they had was MH wep then boots then ring

[still matrix]

Boots interesting ok

[glass mortar]

itll be a ring or off piece of gear for second imbell prob yea idk exactly what slot doesnt have good haste/crit in it

[still matrix]

Arent raid trinkets gigga good or some.shit

[glass mortar]

but itll probably be that

[still matrix]

I think also haste crit boots there are ill check

[vapid sundial]

is there an addon for auto tricks

since it was a wa

[jolly geyser]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[thorny zinc]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[river wing]

smoke bomb would be good, like not even for DR or anything, just make stuff HAVE TO enter a 10m ring to start hitting things inside, on maybe a 1 min CD for 8 seconds - enough to make most "archer" pulls much smoother
and bring back AoE Blind bruh

[vivid vessel]

the game needs more ways to displace mobs in keys

like grip

[sullen nimbus]

You might be missing that it has like 80%+ uptime

[vivid vessel]

its miserable to have casters stay afk 40 yards away unmovable

[sullen nimbus]

COEE is 4rppm and procs are 20 seconds each

(If you upgrade it at the console)

[nova sinew]

is that the upgraded version

[sullen nimbus]

Yeah

[nova sinew]

do we know if it works in the raid which is technically in the voidstorm

[sullen nimbus]

I know the upgrades work in every dungeon

Idk why it wouldn’t work in the raid

[nova sinew]

that is interesting

[sullen nimbus]

It is pretty good

Not op anymore

But pretty good

[nova sinew]

i thought i read some flavortext about it not working outside of voidstorm

[sullen nimbus]

That’s the other voidlust buff

The actual zone one

[nova sinew]

it proccing every 20s makes sense because sometimes it felt like it was synced to dance

[sullen nimbus]

I’ve seen logs with it at 80-90% uptime tho

[still matrix]

Right now my sdims have the mastery beam of light from the sky trinket being the best one for me when i have a lot of trinks atm lol

didn't think mastery was great for us

[nova sinew]

@sullen nimbus by the way i hope they tear the limbs off your class on the 17th <3

[sullen nimbus]

There are too many casuals posting on Reddit about how awesome the unholy rework is for blizz to nuke it 😉

[nova sinew]

they love evil ret paladin

[sullen nimbus]

Gods favorite class

[still matrix]

trinket
I think it must like the mastery trinket most just because it has like 4 more agi main stat idk:

[placid ocean]

does outlaw want daggers in their off-hand?

[sturdy crow]

Is this wrong, it doesn't dispatch on opener in the sim?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's fine

in simc, i just made it AR SND before the pull, because it's technically better in aoe, and its the same on ST

so i didnt make a point to distinguish

[sturdy crow]

well it feeeeels wrong so if it's not much different I'll stick to bte

[vivid vessel]

then you dont get slice and dice

which is not good

[gaunt phoenix]

You need to get slice and dice one way or another

so you either dispatch, or AR SND prepull

[sturdy crow]

I see, ty

[still matrix]

is that to use prep as fast as possible or something?

[haughty wigeon]

probably

who knows

prep is ass

only solo knows

[gaunt phoenix]

no, it's just 2 different ways to get slice

In aoe, if you were to dispatch, you still need to blade flurry and blade rush first

so you kinda delay SND for a few globals

When you could have had it immediately

[vivid vessel]

i mean

you would never dispatch without bf up tho

so its either press snd or just bf at max cp

solo are yopu full gear yet

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[mighty pivot]

zac are you 90 yet you noob

[vivid vessel]

yes and zacrebleu aswell

[mighty pivot]

3 more to go

[vivid vessel]

no

i told you

not htis tier

we are chilling

only 2 chars

[mighty pivot]

doesn't it make sense to level them now that there is nothing else to do?

even if it's for s2

[vivid vessel]

no

i will pay

:D

[mighty pivot]

aren't you unemployed

[vivid vessel]

so what

leveling chars is cancer ass

anything that isnt m+ or raid

i dont wanna do it

[mighty pivot]

I bet you were pro at pet battles and now you're mad they took them out

[vapid sundial]

questing sucks

frfr

[river wing]

also
been doing M0
and uhhh
I was barely above the tank for the entire dungeon (multiple dungeon runs). But other DPS were below the tank, and things died very quickly overall. What the hell.

[vivid vessel]

i mean its m0

cd specs cant evne press cd on trash

[river wing]

the tank was Brew, if that matters

[polar kelp]

Really? I'm pulling 90-120k on aoe pulls....no way a tank is doing that? Most I've seen is druids and pallys at 60k in aoe

[river wing]

p sure we both were pulling around 100k on AoE

[still matrix]

guardian druid is getting touched deep on the 17th

[river wing]

maybe more, I think some times I saw 115-120k on my end and that was keeping me ahead

basically, I am sure the DPS were doing fine and I wasn't too bad because everything died really quickly
but the tank was just insane

[wooden pilot]

@vivid vessel how are you skinning your buffs? wa + arcui?

[vivid vessel]

just arcui

its buggy and shit tho

i hate it

im still hoping blizzrd let players buffs be secrets like cds are

cause the way addons do it rn

by accessing the cdm

and moving the cdm icons around

its so bad

its so buggy

i hate it

!

[wooden pilot]

arcui makes me mad

[vivid vessel]

ye

[wooden pilot]

can't use it

[vivid vessel]

i ahte that addon

but no choice rn

[wooden pilot]

garbage ux

[vivid vessel]

i know right

[wooden pilot]

installed it spent 5 mins and uninstalled it

[fossil lintel]

it's hilarious how little frost needs to work for it's damage

[vivid vessel]

unfortunatly its the only way to moves buffs around

[fossil lintel]

you spam ice lance 80% of the time and it easily does a ton

[autumn orbit]

Not all addons do this anymore. Qui community and tavern ui no longer skin the default CDM (unless you want qui to skin the default CDM cuz it still can). They create their own viewers.

They still have their own bugs, but there are better ways to display custom CDM.

[vivid vessel]

you cant create your own viewer for buffs tho

unless i missed something

but i dont think i did

[autumn orbit]

so looking at QUI's code, what it actually does is interesting.
It essentially hides the blizzard CDM, observes the spell IDs that are in it and then renders what it needs to in its own container instead of just styling the blizzard container.
So they essentially own everything that's in their frame and can render it however they want, and they use this technique for every part of the CDM

[copper radish]

Hard mode prey is so easy for the veteran gear it gives lol

[vivid vessel]

i mean veteran gear is useless week 1 tho ?

[copper radish]

True

[vivid vessel]

is this shit just bugged

[glass mortar]

make sure u stay in the zone

if u go even a little out when a part of the assault completes

u wont get prog

i had to do it twice

[vivid vessel]

dude i did it like 3 times idk

shit is ass

[glass mortar]

maybe stop afking the whole event idk

bozo

game recognizes a bozo when it sees 1

[grim spear]

Is there any reason to track gravedigger?

[glass mortar]

i mean knowing ahead of time it will refund ace means u dont need to react to it

thats less fun tho imo

it does simplify the gameplay a bit more if u track it but its w/e either way

[grim spear]

[vapid sundial]

Just had a use for this

ty

[river wing]

come to think of it
isn't Ace kind of at odds with Gravedigger? like you want to be chaining as many BtEs as you can, but that means that a lucky Ace streak delays Gravedigger's bullet acquisition

[keen belfry]

yes but no cuz like oh no ur getting ace procs noooo

but i also wish bte could stack gravedigger

that would be fun

[gaunt phoenix]

Wish Ace or Gravedigger caused your next BtE to benefit from Zero In without consuming it

[cinder relic]

ITs very true

[river wing]

well yeah that'd be the easiest fix

[keen belfry]

i wish ace was more cool

its best part is its energy gain

[river wing]

huh? energy gain?

you mean from extra free CP that mean you don't have to SS?

[keen belfry]

it doesnt cost energy

the apex bte

[river wing]

oh you mean Gravedigger

well yeah it's just a free BtE every once in a while
not terrible but also not very exciting

[copper radish]

Would have been cool if every gravedigger triggered after the first full 7cp would all give the same 7cp 😭

[river wing]

it...already does because you are guaranteed a CP from Ruthlessness and 6 CP from Grave proc
do you mean Ace?

[copper radish]

Yeah but if it were only after gravedigger woulda been cool to chain it lol

[peak dock]

May i ask, are we a shit spec in pve?

[river wing]

tbh I wish Ace 2 wasn't as bad

[river wing]

feels fine to me ngl

not busted but not bad either

[peak dock]

Bec the pinned msg says "for those who are still with us"

[river wing]

some people quit Outlaw over MN changes, that's all

[peak dock]

[river wing]

since the gameplay flow changed a fair bit

[peak dock]

Pussies

[river wing]

eh, people like what they like
previous 'law was really damn fast and frantic and some liked it for that

[peak dock]

But daggers means small pps

Swords means big pps

[river wing]

what about 2h swords then

[formal knot]

overcompensating

[river wing]

wouldn't that mean that daggers don't have anything to prove?

[buoyant stratus]

Looted a sword on my split rogue

Gg the game has made its choice

Sailing the high seas its a pirates life for me

[vapid sundial]

To not pick Outlaw is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do.

To not pick Outlaw is objectively right. There are no situations other than randoming in which a person is not able to not pick Outlaw. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to pick Outlaw.
Therefore Outlaw presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it. No one will punish you for picking Outlaw, no one will fine you or kill you for picking Outlaw. You gain nothing by not picking Outlaw.

You must not pick Outlaw out of the goodness of your own heart. You must not pick Outlaw because it is correct

[supple hemlock]

Is there something somewhere that explains the different levels of roll the bones and what those spells are called?

[wintry solar]

Outlaw is a litmus test for how cool someone is

There are no consequences for either action

[supple hemlock]

Seriously though. Why can’t I find the levels of rtb and their associated spells? Like anywhere.

Didn’t see it on wowhead.

[wintry solar]

It's on the spell tooltip

[rotund zodiac]

[supple hemlock]

The only spell I’ve seen in game that match’s a level is Jackpot (level 4) @wintry solar

Found this on blizzard forums.

[wintry solar]

Is that not what the tooltip says?

[supple hemlock]

So pretty much always refill One of a Kind otherwise keep

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[supple hemlock]

The tooltip doesn’t name the spells…that show up in game

[wintry solar]

It tells you the rank and what they do though

[dark ember]

Okay I just got back into Outlaw and can say that this is probably the best version of RTB, and also now that we know that this is the best its gonna get; it still really needs to die holee. It's just so weird having most of your output be determined by how favorable or not favorable this rng is. KIR is not fun it's a weird cope abiltiy that prevents us from getting punished

[wintry solar]

Unless the changed it from prepatch

[supple hemlock]

1 set in games says “one of a kind” not mentioned in the tooltip

I mean I can infer. Which I did. Just surprised it’s not more clearly explained in the guides, etc.

[dark ember]

I'm extremely torn between how this is the most fun rotation and the most fun class fantasy in the game, and how my meter performance seems to completely live or die on RTB favorability.

Doesn't feel great having to spend 3 talents on "What if RTB didn't suck?" mandatory stuff.

[wintry solar]

Isn't only one mandatory?

I don't think dragon bone dice is a lock in

[wintry solar]

Oh you're saying the tooltip of the buff itself doesn't say it?

IDK why they call them sets

[supple hemlock]

Yeah. The spell that shows up counting down in the new UI doesn’t match the tool tip. It references one, twice or double, triple and jackpot but I wasn’t sure 100% those were 1,2,3,4 sets specifically. It’s just weird.

I know foreverguy is on it usually just seemed weird to be omitted.

[wintry solar]

I actually love how feast or famine spender RtB was

[wintry solar]

At least the game tells us somewhere what the buffs are, unlike before.

Only way to find out they existed was to press the button

Or go to wowhead

@mighty pivot I miss wow so much

And the suspiciously high jackpot uptime

[teal river]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[jovial shard]

Two questions I am still not sure on after reading the guides + FAQ are:

1. If I am at 5 combos and BTE is ready, do i just send a sinister to get to 6+? The FAQ emphasizes not sending BTE at 5 but wasnt sure if overcapping was an issue or not
2. Do I wait to use my prepped AR until the original AR buff is done, or just as use it ASAP to get combos again once Blade Rush, BTE and AR are on CD?

[wintry solar]

@cinder relic how much haste would we need to drop tea+vigor

[craggy barn]

i assume like 50

lol

[gaunt phoenix]

1. you build at 5
2. you wait for AR to expire

[wintry solar]

Damn

[craggy barn]

even during prepatch 30 wasnt enough

[wintry solar]

Damn

x2

[craggy barn]

i think i hit 40 and it still was a bit energy starved at times

not super frequent, but a whole removal of those 2 energy talents seems like 50+

[wintry solar]

I'll just give up and quit thinking about it

Sigh....

[vapid sundial]

Yeah its not happening

if we take vigor no amount of haste will make up for it

:^)

[wintry solar]

I'll just gamble on a new pvp talent to shorten the utility gap between sub and outlaw

[frail veldt]

Don't hold your breath

The pvp talent would have to give us cdr on like fucking blind or something

We're a meme compared to sub in pvp

[wintry solar]

Oh I'm not

I already accepted it

[fossil lintel]

Ryu give zomb his discord account back

[whole storm]

guys is KS worth it, i only use or lets say a find suitable time to use it after i consume KIR, AR, BR,AND AR is done. and sometimes i feel i dont need it

[gaunt phoenix]

nope, the recommended builds do not use KS

cuz we are Fatebound

if we were Trickster, we would have to use KS, cause it is required by its talents

but right now fatebound is a bit better

[whole storm]

and in fatebound (FB) what do we use instead of KS? preperation ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes, or a 2nd point in summarily dispatched

The #outlaw-faq has our builds

[whole storm]

well that's tempting to play FB

[dark ember]

Trying out a build I call No Dice. None of the four dice talents. None of em. Relishing in the delight of unbother whenever I roll one of a kind.

And the sickening joy of getting Jackpot without chance boosters anyway

[hardy thicket]

Has anyone bothered to sim the difference between stage 1 and 4?

[wintry solar]

Reading that made my left shoulder hurt

[grim spear]

preparation really feels strange, especially since the ability even has a GCD

Wouldn’t it be better to simply give adr an extra charge.

[hoary junco]

the rogue devs don't like stuff that make sense, so no.

[lethal elk]

how is outlaw performing atm?

M+ mobs are pretty dense, and the target limit kinda hurts imo

I feel like button smashing all the way, only to find my dmg is below sub lol 😂

[mighty pivot]

if it makes you feel any better, it still doesn't tell the full story for rtb2. It is vague about how much the cp generation increase is, for which abilities, and completely skips that rtb2 increases the damage of those abilities too

[balmy topaz]

100% it would but

Blizzard devs have lag so

I expect this in 12.1

Or 13.0

[whole storm]

i play both, started this expan with Subt then now outlaw, iam doing more than subt. yes the burst of subt might seems big but its not as sustainable as outlaw, and remember when m+ starts, mobs will take more time to die

[frail veldt]

I'm curious what each stage bump is worth

I really feel like 1 to 2 is the biggest but maybe it's just feels

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry

[vapid sundial]

I should stop being lazy and climb

[quaint mauve]

me too man

i need to stop playing new accs and play my acc with shit mmr

-22 +18

[vapid sundial]

I've played like 30 games

[quaint mauve]

with 60% wr btw

[vapid sundial]

Just wait for riot to fix it

Surely

[quaint mauve]

then i can play on an alt thats same elo and get +30 -10

like

im cursed

[vapid sundial]

Last season I had a 58% and

I was

+20 - 23

Like what

[quaint mauve]

anyways watch me take down this rat lb

[vapid sundial]

Killed my motivation so fast

Bro she just let's you auto her

What am I watching

[quaint mauve]

xd

[vapid sundial]

LOL

[quaint mauve]

and didnt even dodge my q

with w

[vapid sundial]

Nah that gave me cancer

[quaint mauve]

and then guess what she types

just guess

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-on-cancer-dies-of-cringe-dies-of-cancer-cancer-lasnamäe-gif-23040869

Op champ

[quaint mauve]

"wtf is diana man"

[vapid sundial]

Seems right

Me when I do a long engage as a poke mage assassin

https://tenor.com/view/cat-write-scribble-sketch-draw-gif-17181052902092737226

I had smurfs but I can't use em now

Was letting eu friend used to play na

[quaint mauve]

ive been having a blast on diana now

[vapid sundial]

Now they're theirs

Since I'm not risking it

[quaint mauve]

shes actually so fun

and im glad that i now know i can play her in my actual elo

[vapid sundial]

What elo do u play in
Em?

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[dull geyser]

hey guys just checking in. are we taking about rouge at all or still just some bs 🙏🏽

haha

[vapid sundial]

Outlaw chat is on topic, sometimes

It's too much effort for solo to enforce it

[lofty sand]

Lp gains are so ass in a 15 winstreak i got 1 less lp after every 4th win

Went from +28 to +23

Joke season

[vapid sundial]

'it's working as normal'

[lofty sand]

They probably did something behind the scenes to not have 2400lp challs

But if fcked up every elo

So

It*

[vapid sundial]

They said it's normalize in a month or so iirc

[lofty sand]

Surely

[vapid sundial]

He tried for a bit

And gave up

No one listened

Been lawless for too long

[quaint mauve]

ye im emerald on main

this acc is emerald mmr

[vapid sundial]

I need to push back to Dia then actually make the big grind to masters

[hardy thicket]

Stop polluting this shit with League

#off-topic

[viral ruin]

Its one of the seasons when they fuk up the LP gain and instead of hard reset MT+ elo they act like everything is under control

Oh sorry

[mighty pivot]

iirc when solo simmed them (I don't think that post is still available because it it was in the beta channel) it was like:
rtb1 -> rtb2 ~= +16-18%
rtb2 -> rtb3 ~= +8%
rtb3 -> rtb4 ~= +15%
these were with dragon boner dice talented

[hardy thicket]

wtf really

[vapid sundial]

No

[hardy thicket]

I mean I guess that makes sense due to them being stages/levels rather than different buffs

but ugh

[hardy thicket]

[viral ruin]

Ive expect more dps increase from rtb2 to rtb3

[mighty pivot]

I don't think the increases are that surprising, although going from rtb1 -> rtb2 does "feel" like it is more since having low cp generation sucks

[hardy thicket]

Yeah just accustomed to old RtB where it usually wasn't as big of a difference as it would seem (not counting rolling like 6 buffs vs 2 but just in between the different buffs)

[mighty pivot]

there has been some tuning since then so the values might be somewhat different (e.g., the AR amp talent going from 15->20% might give rtb3 some more oomph)

[waxen scarab]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hardy thicket]

But it makes sense since its additive now so its more like comparing 2 buffs vs 4 buffs vs 6 buffs in the old rtb im assuming

[quick blaze]

Hey does any1 have a good resource bar addon

i'm on sensei resource bar and it feels like its a full gcd behind

[untold wadi]

!wangbar

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[untold wadi]

@quick blaze

[quick blaze]

sick ty ❤️

[mighty pivot]

rtb1->rtb2 +17%, rtb2->rtb3 +10%, rtb3->rtb4 +13.5% (https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nQ7Qq7L2zxUFFAqvDmFpwF)

[hardy thicket]

😮

[patent mirage]

king fu panda

it is the way

[crimson scarab]

Hey is it only me or Blind is no longer AOE????

[mighty pivot]

only you!

(check pins)

[crimson scarab]

Bruh

What’s the point of making Blind ST only

[mighty pivot]

rogue devs work in mysterious ways

[crimson scarab]

That’s awful for m+

Such an unnecessary nerf lol

[balmy topaz]

Chef

[hasty warren]

ugly panda

[balmy topaz]

Bro wtf

[untold wadi]

that beard is fly as hell bro

mutton chops + sensei combo

[tropic zephyr]

Screen captured

Noob

I think it's win + alt + s, or win + shift+s to not have the screen capture text

[untold wadi]

WinShiftS ya

snippingtool.exe still the goat (windows 10 exclusive)

[mighty pivot]

either win+shift+s, or use the generated screenshot file in the ./Screenshots folder (it does not have the overlayed text)

but the first is just faster

[balmy topaz]

What in the twister

https://tenor.com/view/maga-twister-trump-twister-contortionist-twister-political-twister-gif-16238152

[lunar harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/omerrv-snip-snipping-supertool-gif-19434006

gotchu pall

*pal

[balmy topaz]

[jolly geyser]

Pally

[balmy topaz]

pally wally

[echo bloom]

Fellas, theres no way/addon to move the Spell Alert right? 🙁 at least didn't found anything on google

[pastel pendant]

I CANT STAND FATEBOUND

THE COINS I CANT STAND THE SOUND

ITS JUST SILLY

RANDO COINS DROPPING AROUND YOU

WHY

THE SOUND ANNOYS THE FCK OUTTA ME TOO

NO

[jolly geyser]

Turn off sound effects then

[echo bloom]

What about the BTE animation, GOAT

the tumbleweed XD

[crude flower]

The fucking tumbleweed

It’s so bad it loops around to being the best haha

[echo bloom]

bro, i thought it was a trinket

[crude flower]

Like you could be in space, or at the bottom of the ocean
And that thing still finds a way to arrive on time

[echo bloom]

So we are not a pirate anymore, we are cowboys now

[crude flower]

Cowboy pirates?

[echo bloom]

I just want to move the Fan the Hammer proc and my Ui gonna be gg

[pastel pendant]

Idc bout the weed tbh but the fuckign coins man wtf

I can’t stand that

Those motherfcking coins dropping around u making that annoying ass sound

Why blizzard why

Can’t we have a cool hero tree

FUKING COINS BLIZZARD? Really? Bravo thank you

Can we just play shitster

I can stand shitbound

[untold wadi]

addon called mutesoundfile

ive got like 500 line config w all the random screeching n shit from dragonflight

random mounts like that peacock mount

stuff like that

super useful

[wintry solar]

I can't even hear the coin tbh

Especially after I turn Muse all the way up

Specifically Stockholm Syndrom

[potent ore]

there is an addon the removes the sound of cold blood, maybe we can ask the author to make similar to fatebound haha

[vernal pendant]

hello guys, i watched a video about class/spec tierlists yesterday and apparently outlaw (and the other specs) are very bad now. is that true, or is it at least still fun and "hard" to play rogue?

i couldnt try it myself because of college

[pastel quail]

Are we taking killing spree in m+ ?

[clever wasp]

No, look at wowhead

[pastel quail]

Yea I saw wow head but the builds kinda shit in m+

[mighty pivot]

zach6967 is back

[clever wasp]

No, it owns

[pastel quail]

It definitely does not

[clever wasp]

skill issue

[pastel quail]

Not really a skill issue just a class issue atm

Sub alone is doing 2-3x more dmg on aoe pulls but hey that’s a skill issue 💀

[clever wasp]

it is actually if thats the case

[fluid meadow]

r u surprised about outlaw dmg or what? it's the same since years compared to others in aoe

[pastel quail]

I’m suprised we ain’t taking killing spree

[clever wasp]

it does less dmg thats why we dont take it

[pastel quail]

And thats what’s surprising

[clever wasp]

nah it stinks

[pastel quail]

Considering it was taken in previous seasons idk about that

[clever wasp]

yeah well we got a rework 💀

[pastel quail]

Also surprising

[quaint mauve]

we only take it for trickster

rn fb is better than trickster so we don’t take it

[mighty pivot]

its scaling has gone from 450% AP in 11.2 to 280% AP

[trail galleon]

!ilvl

whats command for ilvl spreadsheet/tracks

!track

[polar kelp]

Lol no it isn't, they have CDs for 1 pack and none for the next 1-2. We are still ahead overall. Also it's M0, packs die in 8 seconds so obviously burst classes will do more ..burst....

[quaint mauve]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quaint mauve]

this one?

oh wait

[mighty pivot]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[quaint mauve]

wait no

i want plane react too

[mighty pivot]

too bad bozo

[mystic berry]

I did like, 3 world tours on outlaw to help friends, one of the things I noticed is that my damage is shit on quick packs and I top it on long pulls

[pastel quail]

2 cast of shadow dance

[mystic berry]

Thankfully, longer pulls is the rule in keys

[polar kelp]

What's your overall roughly on outlaw on these M0?

And is sub higher?

[pastel quail]

I’m getting 38-40k at 230 ilvl depending

[clever wasp]

Its crazy to think a burst class wins over a sustain class in m0

[polar kelp]

Oh. Ok yea might be a skill issue then unfort

[clever wasp]

Thats low 🥀

[polar kelp]

I'm at 50-60 overall at 235

Depending key

[clever wasp]

ye I was around 60 aswell

Did same overalls as my sub

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw in M0 should be doing alright

[lethal oak]

[pastel quail]

If I get a jackpot I can hit 50-60 depending but on sub with 204 daggers I can hit 100 unoptimized

Well slightly optimized

[clever wasp]

send some logs

[polar kelp]

You don't hit 100 overall lol

[clever wasp]

ye u dont

[lethal oak]

[pastel quail]

U can’t log a m0

I tried

[lethal oak]

LOL

[clever wasp]

Also if u hit 100k overall with 204 dagger u should apply to echo because u might be the best sub in the world

[vivid vessel]

you can log anything you want

[pastel quail]

I tried it wouldn’t let but could def be a log skill issue

[mighty pivot]

how did you try? if your addon or what you use cannot handle m0 you can always just /combatlog

[gaunt phoenix]

Not sure an M0 log will capture it as a dungeon

[pastel quail]

Well if you go on wow logs and try and look at it it just back you out

I’m telling try and log a m0

[clever wasp]

How do u look at logs on wowhead

[west ridge]

my dude you can log yourself hitting target dummimes

[soft abyss]

Are you maybe looking at current segment and not overall? So you open SB on a pack and you do like 100?

[clever wasp]

U can log whatever u want whenever u deal any dmg

[balmy topaz]

I think there is an automatic setting applied to logs where it will only log keys

so you might wanna check that

You can literally log target dummies

[pastel quail]

I might have that on idk but I tried to log some m0s and it wouldn’t let me

[gaunt phoenix]

You can log M0, but i'm not sure it will capture it as a 20 minute instance or whatever, it will just be 87 individual pulls

[clever wasp]

Thats fine, we are trying to see what he is doing wrong on outlaw

Dont need a whole key overall for that

[pastel quail]

If I’m playing outlaw wrong I would love to know how to fix it but I feel like I got a good grasp on it so not sure how our dmg on outlaw is 10-20 dif

[mighty pivot]

correct it will show like so: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tMxAXDz1nqW7BGTw

[clever wasp]

go attack target dummies and log it for 3 min

30-40k overall in dungeons is very low

[pastel quail]

Unfortunately I’m not at my pc atm

[clever wasp]

🥀

[balmy topaz]

Can you get vet crests from m0s even if you're locked?

You can right

[vivid vessel]

you cant loot no ?

[balmy topaz]

Ye but

[vivid vessel]

like not even gold i mean

[balmy topaz]

you can get crests I think

[gaunt phoenix]

I dont think so

[vivid vessel]

or

[balmy topaz]

Well that sucks

[fluid meadow]

do prey for crests

[vivid vessel]

lariat guy said

you do hard prey

for crests

[balmy topaz]

I have 1 left

[fluid meadow]

u can spam random hardmode

where u get crests

[balmy topaz]

Hardmode/

As in

prey?

[mystic berry]

random have no cap

[clever wasp]

Random hm preys give 15

[fluid meadow]

yeah next to the table npc gives random starting quest u can chose the diff

[clever wasp]

And u can run them forever

[mystic berry]

talk to astalor instead of the table

[balmy topaz]

Ahh

got you

tyty

Will just cap out now then

[pastel quail]

I can walk you through my opener and rotation tho I will ar roll the bones/ keep it rolling then dispatch for slice and then between then eyes then blade furry then blade rush and then just dispatch between they eyes and pistol shot for combo points till I can blade furry and blade rush

[gaunt phoenix]

You should blade flurry and blade rush before your first finisher in combat

[pastel quail]

Before slice and dice is up?

[clever wasp]

Slice is whatever burger

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, or you AR + SND right before the pull

you need blade flurry active to deal AOE at all, pretty much nothing has priority over that

and then if you send finishers before blade rush, you lose cooldown reduction on blade rush

[pastel quail]

Oic

[gaunt phoenix]

Another thing you might be doing is that you should never send BtE at 5cps

[pastel quail]

I send bte at full only

[gaunt phoenix]

with our finisher rule, you dispatch at 5cps, but not BtE, you only BtE at 6-7

That's not good either

dispatch 5-7, bte 6-7

[clever wasp]

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-the-cat-67-67-meme-gif-790679381357533721

[pastel quail]

Yea i dispatch at 5 but bte ill ss for 7

[balmy topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[mighty pivot]

i beg of you blizzard remove one of the stratagem talents

[vivid vessel]

SAME

remove 2 even

thoughts

[clever wasp]

remove everything but give us more hook nodes

[mighty pivot]

sounds dumb

[vivid vessel]

you

[balmy topaz]

Remove the one on outlaw

tree

[vivid vessel]

yes

[mighty pivot]

replace it with uhuh

[balmy topaz]

We've done more work than the devs in 2 mins

[clever wasp]

Remove outlaw and give us combat

[vivid vessel]

WHATEDEHELLYLLL

[balmy topaz]

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-gif-25928729

[loud blaze]

Right now what haste % could I realistically get to? I'm hoving around 15%

[balmy topaz]

You could get 25%

[vivid vessel]

no way

[balmy topaz]

Ye

If you were like

omega lucky

and have haste flask

[vivid vessel]

no way !

[balmy topaz]

and wep oils

[vivid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-memes-pregnant-gif-26528786

[clever wasp]

Im at 21

[balmy topaz]

Yes way!

[loud blaze]

Haha, that's why I said "realistically" 😅

[vivid vessel]

with flask right

[balmy topaz]

I have 21% atm with flask

[mighty pivot]

you can get over 20 with just gear

[balmy topaz]

Loktark has 20% with just gear

[clever wasp]

Dont think so actually

[vivid vessel]

ye but you guys are degen

[mighty pivot]

I have 20% with several no haste pieces

[clever wasp]

I have haste on every slot

[balmy topaz]

Says you

[vivid vessel]

buddy

i barely played

i cant stand

wow

when its not raid or m+

[clever wasp]

so sit

[vivid vessel]

shit game

[clever wasp]

[loud blaze]

So I'm hearing that it's a struggle just to get 20% so I shouldn't stress getting there before the season starts?

[mighty pivot]

I could have around 130 extra haste if every piece had it, that would've been... around ~23% haste just from gear

[vivid vessel]

WTF

i mean my gaer is dog poop tho i guess

who cares

i will have twice your gear week 1 ninja

[mighty pivot]

brother I got like 1 piece from m0 actually demonic runs

[vivid vessel]

same

[mighty pivot]

our vdh got 8-9 drops

[brisk spear]

Where the rep gear tho

[vivid vessel]

soon bro

dw about it

[vivid vessel]

well i got 9

[clever wasp]

Im full 240+

[vivid vessel]

but i got traded

[vivid vessel]

im working on it

but rep grind bro

so boring

who tf rep grind

loser activity

[mighty pivot]

my shitter alts have higher ilvl than my rogue

[brisk spear]

Just do side quests when leveling alts

[vivid vessel]

ye bro im gonna do that

NO

[mighty pivot]

zac is a housing main now

[clever wasp]

not homeless anymore #blessed

[unkempt dew]

@vivid vessel when will you be streaming?

[vivid vessel]

idk maybe next week m0 for fun

but soon

raid start

and m+

its next next week right

[mighty pivot]

25/3

[vivid vessel]

what

is it not the 17

[mighty pivot]

that's heroic week

[vivid vessel]

ah ye

daily m0

shitter content

fine

i will stream daily m0

into raid

[fluid meadow]

need time to do the 5k quest before anything starts, it's okay

[copper radish]

Is M0 only dropping veteran gear right now or champ track?

[vivid vessel]

!ilvl

!upgrade

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[clever wasp]

24 vetty

[vivid vessel]

why does this say 246 champ

!!!

what de helly yyy

[clever wasp]

??

It is

[vivid vessel]

hm?

you just said 240 vet

its vet no ?

240

[copper radish]

Didn’t they adjust M0 drops till march 17?

[vivid vessel]

really

why

[wintry solar]

because youre a noob

[clever wasp]

240 drops in m0 and its vetty

[wintry solar]

a nooby booby

[copper radish]

Cause blizz is no fun league

[vivid vessel]

GUYS

stop !

[wintry solar]

no

[vivid vessel]

ok

[wintry solar]

go!

[copper radish]

Time to work on reps fk M0 lmao

[vivid vessel]

poopy man do you have rogue max level

[wintry solar]

ye

[vivid vessel]

show me

[copper radish]

Hard mode prey gives vet gear too 🤷‍♂️

[vivid vessel]

show me the poop

[clever wasp]

Only the first 2

[vivid vessel]

how hard di dyou grind

[wintry solar]

ewwwieeeeeee

[vivid vessel]

SHOW ME

[wintry solar]

not hard, I leveled casually in 3 days

[copper radish]

I got a wep I’m winning life lol

[clever wasp]

I got 2 daggers too 😭

I already had 1 tho

[copper radish]

Plus crafted wep 259 GG

[clever wasp]

Im waiting on craft because idk what im gonna play yet

🥀

[vivid vessel]

sub

like every tier

[clever wasp]

Probably but u never know

[copper radish]

Till it gets nerfed week 1 or 2 😭

[fathom holly]

guys honestly what do you think about outlaw right now?

[copper radish]

Fun as hell

[fathom holly]

i love the class and spec, but it feels so bad currently

energy issues, no ping ping ping sound for bte

[clever wasp]

I used to dislike outlaw but im loving it

[copper radish]

Energy isn’t too bad once we get more haste it’ll be amazing

[fathom holly]

what makes you like it currently?

[gaunt phoenix]

energy really hasnt been that bad with like 18% haste at least

[copper radish]

Can’t get myself past 20% haste right now stuck in the 19s 😭

[clever wasp]

Less rng (yes still rng) and rotation is really fun

[copper radish]

Dispatch is back big time

Big big dispatch damage

[vivid vessel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-kitty-bleh-vPzbDN4rBxuvtpSpzF

dispatch !!

[clever wasp]

Also roll isnt aids anymore which was a mega big thing i hated

[fathom holly]

i dislike that ar runs out

do i race change him?

[mighty pivot]

bf running your energy out is even more dislikeable

[clever wasp]

Yes who the fuck plays goblin

[fathom holly]

bro do you know how sneaky they are in stealth??

[clever wasp]

Tip toe yeah but ugly asf also big nose

[copper radish]

1,1,2 rinse repeat sprinkle in some 3 for BTE and that’s outlaw in a nutshell 😭

[clever wasp]

Do NOT forget about the glock

[copper radish]

Some 4 for pistols and GG

[clever wasp]

[wintry solar]

2

We reload them now

Mhm

[clever wasp]

We are like csgo now, reload glock and bte with R

[tropic zephyr]

If you don't have BtE on R you're an impostor

[balmy topaz]

It's on 5

[mighty pivot]

R is for Roll

[balmy topaz]

R is pistol shot

[mighty pivot]

there is no R in there!!

[tropic zephyr]

I like to have r and f on short CDs

[balmy topaz]

Pirates have guns and they go ARRRRR

[fathom holly]

BTE on E

[balmy topaz]

E is a movement key wtf

[tropic zephyr]

Yes

[fathom holly]

naaah i dont strafe

[tropic zephyr]

E is sprint

[balmy topaz]

I have W bound to grapple

[tropic zephyr]

Based

[fathom holly]

whats your guys roll the bones

roll the boners

[balmy topaz]

Move with double click down

[balmy topaz]

D

[tropic zephyr]

f

[wintry solar]

6

[vivid vessel]

i play no roll law

[mighty pivot]

any click-to-move users?

[wintry solar]

You would

[balmy topaz]

Based

[wintry solar]

Me me me!!!

[mighty pivot]

you sound like the person who would click to move tbh

[vivid vessel]

you know thats something i love about league

i think click to move is super cool

[tropic zephyr]

Ok guys what's your most cursed bind

[mighty pivot]

zac do you have flash on D or F?

[vivid vessel]

mouse buttons

i have attack move on f

[honest sparrow]

I dont have cursed binds.
But i use ctrl and alt + x as keybinds but because i have really small hands i press them not with my fingers but with kinda the palm of my hand

[tropic zephyr]

I think my most cursed bind is Shift S to BF, I often use this bind for "aoe around my guy"

[fathom holly]

my most cursed bind is 6

its only sprint tho

[tropic zephyr]

4 is cursed, 5 is madman, 6 is suicide

[mighty pivot]

it's only cursed if you use it often tbh. I have shroud on 7 but that's a meme button nowadays