outlaw

[vivid vessel]

buddy you are first time

[fathom bramble]

this is something that they actually had on the original legion launch and then decided to adjust

[vivid vessel]

you never played the spec in your life

just go back to drawing with your poop

[frail veldt]

oh wow

[fathom bramble]

I know it's obviously different devs, but it's just the same mistake a 2nd time

[frail veldt]

so shit dates back far

[vivid vessel]

its always like that bro

they keep making the same mistakes

[frail veldt]

"under new management"

[vivid vessel]

over and over

and over

like wtf

[fathom bramble]

saber slash(sinister strike) had this exact delay on the combo point and the opportunity

[vivid vessel]

cant they leave a note

to the new devs

[fathom bramble]

and now it is back for some reason, but only on the combo point

[vivid vessel]

fucking stick that shit on the computer

[frail veldt]

well at least we dont have a delay on the opp

it seems to proc instantly on the first ss

[vivid vessel]

great !

[fathom bramble]

which also means the fatebound +1 is instant

so when you gain 3 and opp you know it'll be 5

soon™

[frail veldt]

ez

[glass mortar]

all of this just reminds me of some legion interview

hmm was it legion or was it WoD

where the wowhead interviewer asked ion why poisons and bleeds didnt benifit from haste

and he was just like

"well they were like that when we got here, and we never changed it. so thats why"

"i dont actually know"

[next wedge]

why did htey remove our aoe stop

[frail veldt]

we were too op

had too much utility

blizz was tired of seeing a rogue in every m+ group in tww

[fathom bramble]

it being around was technically a bug

[next wedge]

all 2 things we could do

[fathom bramble]

but since it was bugged the entirety of testing no one got to test a no aoe-stop version of the class

[glass mortar]

every1 in here was coping that it wasnt a bug but reasonably so because it shouldnt have been a bug

[frail veldt]

it was either a tooltip bug or an ability bug

and tbh

blizz makes mistakes on both

like is adr haste tax a bug?

since its not in the tooltip?

[fathom bramble]

true

[glass mortar]

not when we got blue notes specifically telling us about it no

the AR tax that being

bug is generally something u dont think is intended by the devs but i get what u mean

[next wedge]

does anyone know what rwf is doing this tier?

[fathom bramble]

I remember when they removed the AR gcd reduc from the tooltip(legion beta) and people were panicking that AR was useless now

[random stirrup]

the one singular line in a bluepost from over an expansion ago at this point that is not mentioned anywhere in the game otherwise and defines outlaw stat prio

[fathom bramble]

but it was just a simplified tooltip for no reason and the GCD reduc has obviously stuck around to this day

[glass mortar]

in some form or the other...

[fathom bramble]

yeah...

[glass mortar]

will never let them normalize this disgusting haste tax design

joke to let it last beyond one expac even

[next wedge]

it's just so not transparent what so ever

[fathom bramble]

I also think that if something is going to be bugged all of testing and you never thought to nerf our utility during actual testing then maybe it should stay that way

[next wedge]

thers no way a casual player playing outlaw would ever know what AR does

[vivid vessel]

thats 440ms from ss cast to proc

already

[fathom bramble]

you would have to notice that it is making you faster and investigate the change in GCD using addons/console commands

then figure out what is causing it more specifically since it won't be a flat number unless you are at the haste cap

[vivid vessel]

its actually quite consistent to me

[fathom bramble]

like to pin down what is changing your gcd in a specific way without looking it up would be awful

[vivid vessel]

400ms or more

eh whtever man

shit game

[next wedge]

you would have to also be paying close enough attention to be like oh my gcd is faster

[vapid sundial]

yeah but its way slower than was

i didnt feel any delay with WA

[near holly]

Ya I hate this new delay on points also. Feels clunky.

[frail veldt]

I mean it feels the same shit as it did 2 days ago

[glass mortar]

i thot mewo was talking about within midnight

[frail veldt]

yeah

[glass mortar]

oh yea

[frail veldt]

I dont think it got worse in the last 24 hours

is what im saying

[vapid sundial]

Oh im saying

from last sexpac

i started playing yesterday

[glass mortar]

i mean it is waaaaaaaaaay worse then it was in tww, it didnt exist in tww u just got all the CP from the first SS hit

[vapid sundial]

it feels like shit

[fathom bramble]

between 7.1.5 and midnight pre-patch it was always instant

[vapid sundial]

this delay is gross

whoever wanted this needs to be fired

get them out

[vivid vessel]

this is such a shit expac

everything is bad

[fathom bramble]

unlucky

[vivid vessel]

they are just throwing up expacs

[frail veldt]

just react faster

[fathom bramble]

guess I never timed it actually it just didn't feel like 400ms

[vivid vessel]

every 3 months

[frail veldt]

easy

[vivid vessel]

cause it makes more money

and its all shit

gg

we got 1 dev doing class design

across 15 classes

[glass mortar]

dont worry we are due for some real iteration this expac surely zac

make sure ur keeping this all away somewhere

so we can dump it all onto a forum post with 50 pages blizzard will not read or respond to

[vivid vessel]

only thing they ever iterate is how to make outlaw damage profile worse

[fathom bramble]

well we are back to pre-crack damage profiles

can't get much worse than this

[vivid vessel]

bf is 30%

instead of

50% + pc

and we still have to take 2 talents to get aoe

in raid or m+

[fathom bramble]

I thought you meant dmage curve not cleave amount

but yeah our cleave is now terrible too

[vivid vessel]

i said damage profile

our damage profile stll got worse

[fathom bramble]

yeah I get you

when someone says damage profile I just think ST damage curve first

not aoe profile

[prisma heron]

Saw a euro put out a video that we’re #1 dmg rogue due our apex talents

[mystic berry]

The caps are what real rustles me

Shit ass capstones

[vivid vessel]

im thinking of everything

cause

[frail veldt]

tbh my biggest annoyance so far is bladeflurry uptime when not playing the aoe talents haha

[vivid vessel]

i remember when in sl or early df

you would have a aoe fight

[frail veldt]

non perma bladeflurry is such a shitty thing to have to play around

[vivid vessel]

or a cleave fight

and you would take outlaw cause it lost 0 to do aoe

and also was the only spec that could cleave

both are not true anymore

rest didnt change we still have no burst or exec or whatever the fuck

[fathom bramble]

yeah

and the nature of most aoe in raids is burst aoe

so if our general aoe isn't overpowered in some other way than a different class just does 300% of our add damage with a handful of gcds

[prisma heron]

Yeah but we pirate boys with pistol sfx. Pirates are the thugs of the sea 😎

[vivid vessel]

there was also a time the other 2 rogues could just not do aoe in keys by design so we were at an advantage for keys

now its the opposite

we are at a disadventage by design

cause we dont have funnel or uncapped aoe

cant even have keys anymore

[craggy barn]

yea but we like haste now so surely we get pi and benefit from lust

[mystic berry]

We pay the price for coolness

[frail veldt]

not pirates anymore 🙁

were just highwaymen

[fathom bramble]

it's actually funny that even below our haste cap haste isn't that much of an outlier for us

[craggy barn]

we pay the price for the sins of bfa

[frail veldt]

run of the mill lowlife criminals

[fathom bramble]

there are casters that get our pre-cap haste value all the way to like 100% haste

so you can lust+pi and just gain a shitload of value

[prisma heron]

Y’all killing my outlaw hype. I just started the expansion last night

[craggy barn]

play what u want king

[mystic berry]

Dw lads we getting blanket buffs in the 17th

[fathom bramble]

don't let our dooming doom you too much

[craggy barn]

we dooming about giga high end shit

[fathom bramble]

most of our issues only have a great effect near the top end, and realistically the spec is probably plenty viable and certainly more fun than other melee you could play

[craggy barn]

for most people this doesnt matter

annoyingly my rog is my least geared toon rn

[vivid vessel]

someone help me

[craggy barn]

im praying bear gets nuked

[vivid vessel]

i cant get in the tree

or whtaever

[craggy barn]

go in the water

[mystic berry]

You picked rogue king

By default you should be a doomer

[vivid vessel]

ah its behind waterfall

ok

ty

wtf

i hate leveling

too hard

[craggy barn]

zac what level

[vivid vessel]

im 85

[craggy barn]

oof

bruh world scaling fucked leveling so much

op at 80 garbage at 90

[cinder relic]

No

[craggy barn]

guy

[fathom bramble]

a trick to skip the last 2 awful levels is to do every delve once and hold the quests

[cinder relic]

Hi

[craggy barn]

did deadlock reset ranks

[fathom bramble]

then craft for XP and turn those in at like 88.25

[cinder relic]

No

[craggy barn]

they took my archon 5 away

[cinder relic]

They keep shuffling ppl's ranks tho

[craggy barn]

im obscuris now

sadge

oh yea we finally lost aoe blind. big rip to another one of our utilities

back to focus blind macro

[next wedge]

is aoe blind not in outlaw tree?

i thought i saw it in there

[craggy barn]

no

it was a class tree choice node in tww

[honest sparrow]

is rogue the only class now with no aoe stop or are there more with none?

[vivid vessel]

maybe hunter

[snow viper]

Intimidate is aoe

[vivid vessel]

we are the only one then

bnut we were already the worse utility spec in keys

so idk

it make sense i guess

aoe blind was just an accident

now you can truly be a passenger in keys

only thing you bvring is bad damage

and vibes

[random stirrup]

dw mage lost mass barrier

its very equal now

[wicked grove]

Anyone having any issues logging on?

[next wedge]

ah i thought this meant that blind would apply in 5 yds

but its just u can apply it from further away

[frail veldt]

dont they have trap too?

and they have an aoe knockup right?

[snow viper]

No that got removed

[frail veldt]

oh wow so hunter has no knock now?

[white quartz]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[frail veldt]

oh they still have this too

[prisma heron]

Maybe that’s the final push to change my undead rogue to high mountain

[glass mortar]

they have binding shot and weak aoe intimd

they lost like half their stops tho yea

crazy to think they used to have two aoe stop knocks plus binding plus intim

[vivid vessel]

i need an addon that destroy house items that gets into my bag

holy fuck

[glass mortar]

zac getting forced to hold onto FILTHY furniture he will never use while trying to reach the new endgame and finding how annoying it is to ditch them

just like me irl 3 weeks ago when i moved

[undone current]

[random stirrup]

if you try to learn them while flying it will dismount you

fair warning

[snow viper]

I don't think any specs are taking that tho, those points come at a damage loss last I knew

[nova sinew]

Surely blind is a powerful spell? We have 5 talents that have to do with it, after taking all of those blind must be insane util

[glass mortar]

you know thats pretty true

doesnt shiv also have 2 talents now. or 3? shiv with its utility talents must be POPPING off especially now that it isnt held hostage by sins design

[frail veldt]

oh yeah shiv is 8 yard range now!

i mean why wouldnt you bring a rogue

for that level of OP

[nova sinew]

So it’s only a little worse than the other soothes in the game after spending 2 points on it

[glass mortar]

ahahahaha who even thinks up stuff like this

i mean its all filler points i guess it doesnt matter

[vivid vessel]

bro

imagine

if we could just have had

that

on kick

like

wtf

[glass mortar]

its just hilarious our baseline utility is so garbage and then we have all these talents that barely touch the surface of them

[vivid vessel]

these devs are so cooked

[frail veldt]

cmon zac

8 yard kick

[vivid vessel]

who tf cares about a 8 yard soothe

[frail veldt]

thats fucking stupid

[vivid vessel]

give me that on kick

[frail veldt]

awful idea

[vivid vessel]

so im not handicapped?

[frail veldt]

it would clearly make rogue way too op

[glass mortar]

"oh man the rogues loved having extended melee range, surely they will love this 10 yard range shiv. and it even has a normal enrage dispel cd now? All it takes is two talent points for this amazing package"

there will be 1 npc that uses an important enrage only while doing a big aoe swirl nobody can stand in and that talent point will be relevant at least once this expac so blizzard can laugh at me

[nova sinew]

I’m glad they reworked affixes so now in a +10 rogue can fully ignore them

Heal absorb? Not my problem. Orbs need cc? Sorry bud

[remote pecan]

more like rogue gets fully ignored for group

[frail veldt]

Y'all are wrong, I was pumping in my m0s

[echo bloom]

oh damn, is outlaw cooked?

[frail veldt]

Outlaws op

[vapid sundial]

yknow

its funny mewo

cuz thats what blizz looks at

m0 and heroic

xdddd

[sterile obsidian]

Is there a tricks macro that will always focuses the tank in my group?

[echo bloom]

Theres a addon

[echo bloom]

Here

[frail veldt]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[strange kelp]

Mewo not sandbagging hard enough

[echo bloom]

we not using 1hr trick anymore?

😮

[glass mortar]

well u dont play trickster so

thats a bit tough to use

[echo bloom]

well, it is what it is

[rocky stratus]

i have a stupid question, when the guides says we need 25% haste, it is base haste or with all the talents included, like alacrity?

[remote pecan]

its with everything included but extra haste isnt gna hurt at the minute

[rocky stratus]

ah ok, thx a lot

[frail veldt]

no its not with alacrity included

it is your buffed out of combat haste

so that would be including flasks/weapon oils

but not including combat buffs

oh sorry alacrity is no longer a combat buff

strike that

but yeah its essentially your pre pull haste

[craggy barn]

yall think the play is to just macro mandate into adren

while we dont have 25 haste

[frail veldt]

is mandate an on use haste trinket or something?

[frail veldt]

I think haste value isnt just gcd but also energy

oh

how often do we use adr rn?

like every 45s?

seems like a long time to wait

[craggy barn]

shrug

shit only puts me at 24 haste rn

maybe u press it 5 secs before u press ar since its 20 vs ar's 15

if low energy pepw

lets min max this trinket fr

[scarlet drum]

Did anyone craft a sword yet?

Thinking of pulling the trigger on it.

[mystic berry]

do it

[cobalt token]

btw why dont we ambush start of a pull

like is there any negative to it

[vivid vessel]

ye ambush is a bad button

it doesnt give fth

on average it wont really be more cp either cause ss proc etc

[cobalt token]

ah

gotta love sinister strike opening from stealth 😭

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z88bYzszG3k @frail veldt @keen belfry

im actually quite impressed by his addon

i have rarely seen an addon so clean

the ux is very good

you know

its also quite impressive how he did all that while blizzard was making their thing with a whole team for like 2 years

[frail veldt]

the editing in this is so ridiculous lol

[vivid vessel]

i wont use it cause its like a bit too simple for me but

[frail veldt]

wow the cdm he has is definitely a lot better

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

blizz fucking sucks jfc

[vivid vessel]

i think its one of the cleanest addon ux i have ever seen

[frail veldt]

I dont think he made this on his own though did he?

[vivid vessel]

the way to edit the stuffs is kinda crazyu good

[frail veldt]

I thought he has like some contribution

[vivid vessel]

he did ye

he said so

he said he deved him himself but had a lot of testers

[frail veldt]

yeah that helps a lot

costs money though right?

[vivid vessel]

but ye idk

im impressed

no

[frail veldt]

OH WHAT

[vivid vessel]

its free

[craggy barn]

bro

[cobalt token]

vid says free

😭

[craggy barn]

bonds can set it up

[frail veldt]

so do we all just delete everything?

[craggy barn]

HUGE

[vivid vessel]

i mean idk

[craggy barn]

if bond can do it, so can u

[vivid vessel]

i think its really good ux wise

i have rarely seen something so good

it kinda reminds me of platynator but better

i wont use it cause i have weak aura but

im just impressed

[craggy barn]

bro he rotated the keybinds 45 degrees

!

[frail veldt]

yeah id have to test it out myself to see how I get lost in the settings

but it looks pretty clean

[vivid vessel]

its the kind of things that should be baseline in the game

[frail veldt]

I wonder how it plays with other addons

[vivid vessel]

every part is standalone

so if you want to use plater you can just not install the plate thing

[frail veldt]

have you tested it out yet?

[vivid vessel]

nah

[frail veldt]

ill try it out

[vivid vessel]

but he started stream when he posted the vid

and he is going over the addon basically

so im just watching the vod in x2

and ye

im impressed

[frail veldt]

im watching rn

it looks like hes using default still

oh hes doing like a comparison I think

[vivid vessel]

ye no clue what he is doing rn

im just watching the vod

its like 40 min

inn 2x

[frail veldt]

ah hes showing a feature that allows you to like not fuck up your baseline

so the transition is easy

thats cool

@foggy dune does blizz expose supercharger info to cp api?

[craggy barn]

yes

[vivid vessel]

wangbooty

[vivid vessel]

prolly ye

[harsh quartz]

what are you doing for your first crafted peice?

[craggy barn]

u can check for supercharged combo points

very simply

[vivid vessel]

my weak aura still works @frail veldt

[frail veldt]

ah kk

just curious

[vivid vessel]

its not secret all these things

cps i mean

[craggy barn]

yuh

are u just raw dogging weak auras or did u actually go and fix shit

[frail veldt]

theres a fork

[craggy barn]

hmm should i use thtat fork instead of all this shit then

[cold tide]

Does anyone have the old virgin sub rogue vs Chad outlaw rogue paint meme? This is important.

[vivid vessel]

idk

i think its for people thjat like going deep into things

and want very specific things

and want to invest the time into it

to do it themselves

[craggy barn]

if i can go back to using my old weak auras then theres like 0 reason for me to use arcui and whatnot

[vivid vessel]

i dont think most people should use weak aura now

cause like

you cant really download any weak aura

and some stuffs dont work

[vivid vessel]

cant do buffs

[craggy barn]

ah

[vivid vessel]

also you need to update stuffs

its not perfect

[coarse parcel]

just curious, what bind do you use to focus/clearfocus ?

[craggy barn]

mouse4

[inland acorn]

@vivid vessel aren't those WAs scuffed ? When I tried it in-game with forked WAs, it was doing some weird stuff

Like putting timer on every ability on GCD

[craggy barn]

my mouse4 is near my middle mouse tho

[vivid vessel]

you need to update some things as i said

i cleaned my weak aura pack and got this as a first pass

[inland acorn]

that's nice

[vivid vessel]

unfortunatly i cant get ride of the gcd swipe

[inland acorn]

mine was doing weird shit

[vivid vessel]

and i cant have a real cd text

its like

3min

you know

[inland acorn]

like showing KiR cd in +300seconds at the start

[vivid vessel]

not 2:30

[inland acorn]

[leaden hazel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

but other than that

also these are prolly fixable thigns

if the fork author wanna fix it

or i might look into it if i care enough

[inland acorn]

are you using msuf for frames ?

[coarse parcel]

you focus & unfocus on the same macro ?

trying to find a way to do it

[craggy barn]

i dont need to unfocus

[inland acorn]

why do you need unfocus

[coarse parcel]

yeah I dont know I would need to unfocus

[craggy barn]

if i did have to unfocus for whatever reason id just do shift m4

[coarse parcel]

I have brain issue its late

[keen belfry]

does it beat awang

[vivid vessel]

:D

kinda ye

[vivid vessel]

uuf

[inland acorn]

[coarse parcel]

uuf kinda goated

[vivid vessel]

tho you cant add borders on uff

[inland acorn]

I'm gonna wait for the day you share your profiles and WAs and type shit

[vivid vessel]

so i add them with weak auras

[coarse parcel]

??

[vivid vessel]

like the sahdow border i use

[inland acorn]

ye ik what you mean

that was annoying me in uuf

[coarse parcel]

oh

[vivid vessel]

i just made a quick thing that will scale my border to the frame

[inland acorn]

so i switched to msuf

[vivid vessel]

so i just anchor to each frame

and its done

[inland acorn]

I actually quite like it

[vivid vessel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[vivid vessel]

ah ye

msuf

i rmemeber

[keen belfry]

should i try the thing

the elelelems.re??

[inland acorn]

it's a virus

It will make you play holy pala

[keen belfry]

what about wangbar? or wangcdmbar?

[vivid vessel]

trash i heard

[inland acorn]

Wish it could also do party frames

[vivid vessel]

@upper surge

send guide

im almost level 90 i need informations and i lost guide

help me

[craggy barn]

download the addon

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt

kinda goated this one

talent reminder in specific keys

i was doing that manually with weak auras

[keen belfry]

has some good stuff

[vivid vessel]

was kinda annoying

[keen belfry]

i dont like its cdm

i swear blizz cdm is actually better than the addons out

ive come full circle

[vivid vessel]

what

[inland acorn]

[vivid vessel]

you are cooked bro

[keen belfry]

well i mean i still have to download the centered addon

and i wish i could have 2 rows

you just need a gcd addon, centered addon, then wang addon. this is better than elle cdm

[vivid vessel]

ok you have 2 bars bro

and its ugly

[keen belfry]

if its not your weakaura thing its all ugly

no cap

[vivid vessel]

and you still needed an addon to fix your bars even

[coarse parcel]

@vivid vessel when you swap from outlaw to any other spec, does your player & target frame stick to cdm width ?

[vivid vessel]

no

well i dont use cdm

so no

[keen belfry]

i think the only thing thats 100% good is your m33kaura thing

the othersa re jhust choosing lesser evil

[frail veldt]

A UI made by someone who actually plays the game

[keen belfry]

like elles ui doesnt even have shared media

cant use d1

[upper surge]

theres an addon too

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOOOL

[vivid vessel]

ye bro im not installing an addon

nice try tho

[frail veldt]

Bro that's the most fried thing you've ever said

[vivid vessel]

bro wanna steal all my golds

oh its a checklist

[keen belfry]

they are basically the same, are they not?

[vivid vessel]

i wanted to read the doc but i guess this is the same shit

[keen belfry]

theres trade off of cringe breaking shit with stuff liek arcui vs more functionality

its the same

[frail veldt]

Not even close

Blizz cdm is missing tons of functionality

[keen belfry]

u dont even play the game cuh

[frail veldt]

You can't have more than two bars

You can't do dynamic positioning

You can't track racials or trinkets

It's literally not finished

[keen belfry]

in a vaccuum, sure these addons have more "functionality" but they just break

ive tried and used so many

[frail veldt]

I can't do my UI with the baseline cdm

It's literally not possible

To position it

[vivid vessel]

i cant do my ui with baseline cdm

its litteraly not possible

to position it

scale it

[frail veldt]

Rofl

[keen belfry]

i cant do my UI with all the addons out, wahts your point

[vivid vessel]

have multiple bars

have it not ugly

[frail veldt]

You for sure could

[vivid vessel]

i can do mine tho

so

skill issue

[frail veldt]

Tell me what the base cdm does that the add-ons don't

[keen belfry]

u use weakauras zac

[keen belfry]

it doesnt break

[vivid vessel]

yep

[keen belfry]

i dont think mewo is reading

[vivid vessel]

owned?

[keen belfry]

i feel like guyu rn

mewo actually doesnt read

[frail veldt]

Yeah I'm not asking about stability I'm asking functionality

You said you couldn't do your UI with the add-ons

What can't you do

[keen belfry]

well if youre going to ignore half my argument yes mewo you win

good winning im glad u won this one

[frail veldt]

I'm asking what can't you do

[keen belfry]

whatever weakauaras could do that these cant

are u saying that addons can do what weakauras did haha

[frail veldt]

I thought you were saying base cdm can do things add-ons can't

[vivid vessel]

what if you just use weak uaras tho

[keen belfry]

please read mewo please

mewo has to start reading

[frail veldt]

That part I agree with lol

The other thing you said didn't make sense

In the context of me comparing base ui to add-ons

[keen belfry]

it made sense in the arguemnt i was typing

i think you forgot to read it

[keen belfry]

i might

[frail veldt]

Base UI being better than the add-ons out then saying you're gonna use wa

Bruh

[vivid vessel]

dont listen to wang

[keen belfry]

because they arent the same haha

[vivid vessel]

he is wanging rn

he is saying base ui is better

but he had to learn how to code lua

and make addons

just to see his combot points

what a loser

[keen belfry]

have u seen mewos ui

we shouldnt listen to mewos opinon here

[vivid vessel]

(could have just used weak aura noob)

[west ridge]

holy shit guys when did he base ui is better

lololol

[keen belfry]

he like shis addons that allow him to create fart on his screen

[west ridge]

stop putting words in his mouth

[keen belfry]

they dont read nairda

[vivid vessel]

well you are putting his cock in your mouth tho

noob

[proven ocean]

Zac doesnt know how to read

[keen belfry]

but yes keep going nairda im almost there

[west ridge]

jealous?

[frail veldt]

okay new worst reader found

[frail veldt]

its nairda

[vivid vessel]

i am

[proven ocean]

The better u are at outlaw the worse u are at reading

[vivid vessel]

a bit

share with us cuh

[west ridge]

spec is cooked anyways

miss df outlaw

[frail veldt]

my ui is great

[keen belfry]

nairda dont listen to them

they are farting their pants rn

[proven ocean]

Gnawa

[frail veldt]

my new ui is still WIP ofc cuz this whole thing is a mess

[proven ocean]

When will u stop being noob

NA curse?

[keen belfry]

this season zeross

[frail veldt]

ALSO

[keen belfry]

thats why u just use base cdm

[west ridge]

thats clearly fake news

[proven ocean]

I refuse to believe gnawa

[frail veldt]

im higher level than zac p sure

[proven ocean]

To be the best u gotta think better than everyone else

[frail veldt]

I mean I agree im not full committing to anything yet

but im also DEF not full committing to fucking BASE ui

[proven ocean]

Till they steal ur tech and u invent new stuff all over

[frail veldt]

cant even center the bars

0/10

[keen belfry]

thats why u get

[frail veldt]

cant track racials

[keen belfry]

centered addon

[frail veldt]

oh whats that?

[vivid vessel]

one bar max

gg

[frail veldt]

an addon?

to fix the base ui?

crazy

who would have thought of that

[keen belfry]

was clearly talking about ui overhaull addons

[frail veldt]

uses addon to fix base ui

[vivid vessel]

bro

[keen belfry]

its better

[frail veldt]

you should feel like guy with takes like that

[keen belfry]

trust

[vivid vessel]

is there anyone that wanna join us

to bully wang

[proven ocean]

Zac

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

[frail veldt]

zeross help us

[keen belfry]

like ur guys overhaul UI that gives me so much function is telling me to apply these poisons

[proven ocean]

Blizz cdm is better i tried it (i didnt login for 6 months)

@keen belfry ?

[keen belfry]

so much functionm gained

[proven ocean]

Gnawa

[keen belfry]

good cook zeross

[frail veldt]

I dont use an overhaul ui

[proven ocean]

How u say base ui better

?

Zac

[uncut umbra]

hows outlaw turning out so far lads

[vivid vessel]

my wa is better its telling me to apply the right poisons

[proven ocean]

I think gnawa looks at his ui sideways

[keen belfry]

zac is m33k easy to setup

[frail veldt]

middle of the pack dps wise, playstyle is slower but still fast relative to the rest of the specs, low utility and some pretty bad defense pruning compared to tww

[vivid vessel]

its an addon

[frail veldt]

some people still enjoying it

[vivid vessel]

but zip

not curseforge

so its for very advanced users

[proven ocean]

Gnawa

[keen belfry]

oh u just paste in addons

[proven ocean]

U wanna stay a noob forever or

Listen to zac if u wanna be good

I stopped playing wow cant teach u stuff

[uncut umbra]

leaning outlaw but since ive been out of the loop i wanted to make sure its not super underpreforming compared to the other rogue specs

[frail veldt]

very advanced

be careful

you might delete system32

or get a virus

[proven ocean]

Me and zac think the same way of the game

If ur ignorant on his opinions i respect it but

Thats the reason why rio green

No offense

[frail veldt]

yeah unless youre in a HoF guild or pushing very high m+ it shouldnt matter

its not bad enough to make you miserable

and usually performs better in lower content compared to high end

[west ridge]

why

[keen belfry]

wait im confused with m33k the file structure is weird

[frail veldt]

WAs

[vivid vessel]

was outlaw good during ptr s3 tww

[proven ocean]

osrs is more friendly time management wise

[proven ocean]

Idk what happened in s3

Ah

Zac..

[vivid vessel]

ye

zeross

[proven ocean]

We dont talk about the past ok..

[vivid vessel]

okok

sure

[proven ocean]

okok

[normal forge]

supercharger or cold blood? what u guys running?

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt he was a ux dev

elle

thats why

i was wondering

[frail veldt]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

that makes so much more sense

[vivid vessel]

cause the ux is some of the cleanest i ever sen

[proven ocean]

Zac

[frail veldt]

SC

there are builds in #outlaw-faq

[proven ocean]

I think this might be time for u to buy this mouse maybe

New crazy mouse

[vivid vessel]

show me

[proven ocean]

Actually revolutionary

Sec

[normal forge]

i know, but builds are not like the law

[vivid vessel]

oh the logitech one ?

[frail veldt]

yeah you can use coldblood if you want

most people here are following the faq builds

[proven ocean]

https://www.logitechg.com/en-ae/shop/p/pro-x2-superstrike-mouse

Ye

[frail veldt]

cuz the talents are passives anyway

[proven ocean]

-30 ms on clicks

[frail veldt]

so its not like they impact gameplay

[proven ocean]

Easily

[vivid vessel]

ye i heard of it

[proven ocean]

And uhh

Its like

No button

[vivid vessel]

but i mean

[proven ocean]

Its like u push it down if it makes sense, i never tried it

But ngl zac

[vivid vessel]

you know i cant change mouse

im too used to mine

[proven ocean]

That feature is useless for wow

[frail veldt]

probably useful for league

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

But its insane for osrs

Game im playing rn

[vivid vessel]

i mean its prolly insane for league

[proven ocean]

cant wait to try it out

[vivid vessel]

you just get faster movements so

[proven ocean]

Ye

Ppl using it in cs2 tournaments already

Where mouse clicks matter the most

Soldout everywhere idk

I wonder if logitech patented it

Or if they even can idk

Oh ye it is patented

Wtf

[frail veldt]

eh

they can try

china will just make it

they dont operate within our patent laws

so its irrelevant

[vivid vessel]

i mean

how can you patent something like that tho

isnt it just the same thing as what they did on keyboards before

[coarse parcel]

stole everything from zague

[vivid vessel]

instead of being a analog click

its just a light thing

you cant patent something like that no

[vivid vessel]

ugly !

[keen belfry]

zac link ur cp

bar

[vivid vessel]

ye

better say bar brudhy

[keen belfry]

did

where is your wago

[vivid vessel]

https://wago.io/cXPWgTiJ9 i mean

[uncut umbra]

fbi hes right here

[vivid vessel]

i didnt even update it i think

[frail veldt]

yeah exactly

same reason you couldnt patent hall effect keyboard switches

[keen belfry]

its as beautiful as the day i first saw it

[proven ocean]

Just their customization and specific features it has

[keen belfry]

almost as good as wangbar

[frail veldt]

its like how wooting has so many competitors now

[proven ocean]

Not the whole no click mouse thing that cant be patented

[vivid vessel]

i mean wang

can you even tell its midnight

instead of tww

[keen belfry]

XD

[frail veldt]

literally no

[keen belfry]

lmao

[vivid vessel]

i mean im mostly 1:1

other than buffs

[keen belfry]

blizzard is so cooked

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry ignore me walking over every ward

[uncut umbra]

what addons for something like this

[quaint mauve]

i feel so bad for this raka bro

[frail veldt]

WA

[keen belfry]

dea drka

[craggy barn]

i gained so many frames from eui

[proven ocean]

He will still say base ui is better

[vivid vessel]

wtf is eui

[frail veldt]

im excited to set it up

[proven ocean]

💀

[vivid vessel]

ah

[frail veldt]

elles ui

[vivid vessel]

elesmer

[uncut umbra]

WA?

[frail veldt]

weakauras

[quaint mauve]

also xerath jg

[coarse parcel]

I can tel

[quaint mauve]

L O L

[uncut umbra]

i am so out of the loop i thought they were cutting wa's mb

[frail veldt]

kind of

[vivid vessel]

no you cant bud

[frail veldt]

they just made them more exclusive

and harder to use

so that only certain people get their functionality

[coarse parcel]

border were more blurry

[vivid vessel]

oh well

thats just me

i chose to reduce it a bit

cause im on 1440p monitor now

i can kinda just

[coarse parcel]

rich man

[proven ocean]

Nah

[keen belfry]

am i really gonna go open my old wago an import these things

[vivid vessel]

make everything a bit smaller

[proven ocean]

Blurry is 1080p

[frail veldt]

moving up in the world

[proven ocean]

Why do u want to make it worse now

[frail veldt]

I dont think itll work

[proven ocean]

1080p is automatically blurry

[coarse parcel]

wut

[frail veldt]

kinda have to rebuild it

[proven ocean]

1440p becomes unsharp no blurry

4k is sharp no blurry

[coarse parcel]

1080 is peak

[keen belfry]

it kinda did

[coarse parcel]

for gamin

[proven ocean]

That response i can tell u never played wow on 4k

[vivid vessel]

some stuffs might not work until you update tho

[frail veldt]

mine was throwing CRAZY errors

like LUA spam af

[coarse parcel]

nice blurry here

[vivid vessel]

and you need to test in rookery

in mythic

and in combat

[frail veldt]

lol why rookery?

[vivid vessel]

against dummy or smth

well in a dungeon

[coarse parcel]

I never indeed, im poor..

[frail veldt]

ah

[vivid vessel]

rookery is a good dungeon to test stuffs

you have mobs directly down

[frail veldt]

cuz its close?

[vivid vessel]

with casters

[frail veldt]

ye

[vivid vessel]

and yes

its close

in capital

or well

in old capital i guess

[proven ocean]

Incase u didnt know all 1080p monitors have some sort of blurry effect on them because the pixels are so low

Its like

Not wearing glasses

[frail veldt]

@keen belfry zac shared his WIP package earlier might be easier if you start from his and then customize

[proven ocean]

Then u go to 4k

And ur like wtf

[keen belfry]

wym, should i just remake it? i think i could make it pretty quick

[vivid vessel]

hm

no

[keen belfry]

i could make the exact pack in 20 minutes

[vivid vessel]

i can tell you what need to change

and you update

its easier

[keen belfry]

i did the same for all my specs

what is the general thing that changed

[proven ocean]

1080p isnt as bad as someone who “needs” to wear glasses but its close enough

[vivid vessel]

like you need to remove the %p text and use blizzard text instead

[proven ocean]

Zac

[frail veldt]

are triggers fixed in the m33k fork?

[vivid vessel]

and to desaturate cooldonws you need this

[vivid vessel]

yes

[proven ocean]

Im thinking of buying 9950x3d cpu instead of 9800x3d

[frail veldt]

aaaah nice

[proven ocean]

Now that me no wow

Thoughts

?

[vivid vessel]

and buffs wont work obviously

[frail veldt]

bro you play osrs

[vivid vessel]

is it even better

[frail veldt]

toaster game

[vivid vessel]

like isnt it something like its only better for mutli thread

[keen belfry]

my bf bar is deasuarating on go

[frail veldt]

yeah p sure

[vivid vessel]

and not actual gaming

[vivid vessel]

thats a buff bud

[proven ocean]

Ye around same except 9950x3d allows u to stream and open stuff more without lagging as much

[vivid vessel]

i told you buffs wont work

[keen belfry]

no i mean

its beahving proper

[vivid vessel]

are you testing in a mythic dungeon in combat

[vivid vessel]

you need to do that

[keen belfry]

oh

combat yes

[vivid vessel]

no you arent

[keen belfry]

okay that makes sense

[frail veldt]

wait why

[vivid vessel]

i know you arent

[frail veldt]

it wont work on a target dummy?

[proven ocean]

9800x3d is way better in wow cuz 9800 is good for bad engine games

[vivid vessel]

no

[frail veldt]

??????

thats kinda dumb no?

[vivid vessel]

secrets are not fully active just in combat

idk

i guess

[frail veldt]

HAHAHAHA

thats fucking insane

[vivid vessel]

i kinda stopped following

[frail veldt]

why would blizz do that

[vivid vessel]

cause it was messy

[frail veldt]

why in the fuck

jfc

[vivid vessel]

secrets are fully on in keys tho

[quaint mauve]

this was her experience for like 5 fights in a row

[vivid vessel]

or in m0 in combat

i think

[keen belfry]

yes most addon issues i ran into started as sosn as u enter combat

[vivid vessel]

so just test there

dummy in a key

[frail veldt]

thats just so fucking stupid

how is that real

[keen belfry]

any time id try to use some string my addon would bfail in combat

[proven ocean]

Thats why midnight will have an all time low of wow players

Too many restrictions isn’t something people will enjoy

[keen belfry]

im still very curious as to how this seaosn is receieved

i could see US the tryhard players hate it

but playerbase love it

[proven ocean]

It will show in season 2

[frail veldt]

I think thats already whats happening yeah

[keen belfry]

but also could see so many other outcomes

[frail veldt]

very casual people are having a great time

[proven ocean]

Season 1 is always hype

So

[keen belfry]

yes i agree but what if we just love it too

i literally have no clue

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry also 2 things i cant match from bnefore, cds texts are using default blizzard so its like "3min" instead of 2:40 which annoys me

[frail veldt]

yeah its possible

[vivid vessel]

and also the gcd swipe is always shown

but im assuming this can be fixed

[proven ocean]

Once season 2 hits and if dungeon pools are bad

[frail veldt]

but Im not sure this season like really offers anything that the previous xpac didnt

[proven ocean]

Its omega gg

[frail veldt]

its mostly negatives

[keen belfry]

the gcd swipe would be easy fix i bet

[vivid vessel]

ye

[keen belfry]

gcd swipe needs fix

too much movement

[vivid vessel]

i think its just something that guy that updated the addon didnt think about

but idk

i might contact him

if he doesnt update

[keen belfry]

when does it become exact? under a minute?

[vivid vessel]

or just do it myself

[vivid vessel]

idk

2min no ?

ye

under 2

exactly

shows 3min otherwise

[keen belfry]

zac there is an addon that just disables the gcd swipe in default cdm, i wonder if taht could just be replicated

[vivid vessel]

nah i think

[keen belfry]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/hidegcdsweep

[vivid vessel]

its just when the addon create icons

it needs an option

and thats it

its prolly one line of code to fix

i will ask the guy or just do it myself if

ye

[keen belfry]

like zac, does BTE needs thi many triggers anymore?

i legit might just make a new pack

[vivid vessel]

i mea n

auras wont work

so

[frail veldt]

the specs also different enough that youre gona be changing a lot of things anyway

so like what functionality do you still have can you do things like glow your PS icon when its at max stacks of opp?

or is that kinda logic still broken in WA

[cobalt token]

Anyone made a addon that yells at you when ar is up

[vivid vessel]

no

[keen belfry]

i would guess u cant but maybe this addon has smart trigger

ok zac answer

[vivid vessel]

i told you auras

are not accessible

[craggy barn]

ok theres some stuff id use from eui, but thats just adding another addon ontop of the things im already using

[frail veldt]

ah

[craggy barn]

lol

[vivid vessel]

stop asking about auras

noob