outlaw

[keen belfry]

is that wangbar

[fathom bramble]

yes

[keen belfry]

good

gods is it ugly but looks efficient

we need someone to step up and making a blizzard bar editior addon

[fossil lintel]

Like a bullet container theory

[keen belfry]

default cdm too ugly

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah the base bars are kinda fugly

[keen belfry]

WangCDMbar

[fathom bramble]

well people have always told me my ui was ugly

this was just meant to look like my old WAs

so it should still be ugly

[gaunt phoenix]

what nameplates are those?

[fathom bramble]

default something

[gaunt phoenix]

oh, wait maybe i like default

[keen belfry]

default nameplates are fine now

fine is still mid but they are fine

[gaunt phoenix]

i just cant always tell what im targeting

Needs to omega stand out

[keen belfry]

manaforge omega stand out

[stiff hawk]

Same

Finding your Target in a big pull with Standard Nameplates is like a Find a Waldo comic

https://tenor.com/view/find-groudon-groudon-pokemon-gif-21796526

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

[untold wadi]

just waiting for an enemy grid like raid frames

switched to wow cuz my aim is shit in shooters, still held back by those genes tryna click on the right mob

[fathom bramble]

rapidly tab/shift-tab until you have the correct target 👌

[stiff hawk]

How do i know that i ahve right target when i cant see it !?

Eye + Skill Issue i guess

[fathom bramble]

check if you can use melee skills

if you can hit them then it's the right target

[stiff hawk]

So true

Its funny that the Trinket from Nexus-King still kinda slabs hard

even in M0

[wintry solar]

You fools

While yall were talking to girls, I was studying the blade

[wintry solar]

I've been doing this for years

Peasant

[errant field]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wintry solar]

[jolly geyser]

[agile orchid]

thank God they nerfed rogue's utility

they were singlehandedly carrying m+

[wintry solar]

Well, I was.

For reasons stated earlier

[keen belfry]

@gaunt phoenix wangcdm???

i mean

wangcdmbar

[river wing]

ngl even Platynator plates are kind of like that
I miss Plater's colours

[tight kernel]

Bro you having fun as outlaw?

[keen belfry]

its alright ish

its like a 5/10

but every other spec is like a 3/10 atm

[untold wadi]

yo that means were A tier on a curve

finally we win the tierlist

[keen belfry]

wangcdmbar working rn

thoughts???

saw that @untold wadi

[silk dirge]

we want to SnD in opener for ST now right? so we dont consume supercharger on BtE incase we get reset?

thats what my sim was doing

[keen belfry]

i think they are neutral

[silk dirge]

dispatch feels so much nicer to push than snd lmao

[keen belfry]

yeah i agree so i just dispatch

[shy meteor]

Is this Wangbar +cdm or is wangcdmbar an stand alone addon?

[silver venture]

wait do we have to press SnD manually now?

[quaint mauve]

only like

pre key

ig

i just diospatch in opener

[silver venture]

ah aight ye

[keen belfry]

Whole screenshot is wangbar, cdm and a bar addon in making. Super simple addon

[tight rose]

wish we add the bar addon

[foggy halo]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[stoic wagon]

Hi, do we have a tier list of current m0 trinkets for outlaw by any chance ?

[inland acorn]

Wowhead guide has m+ trinkets, which does include some of current m0 dungeons, but tl;dr if I remember correctly windrunner spire has like 2-3 good trinkets and caverns has like 1

If in doubt, sim

[wicked forge]

Is outlaw worst spec out of three right now?

[waxen scarab]

Complete opposite

[neon rapids]

is there a blade flurry targets around you addon or smt?

[hasty warren]

nope

[noble moon]

ah good im just ass then

[sullen surge]

man i´ve been playing some dungeons and i am missing the gameplay of keeping up AR

[stoic wagon]

True

I feel like I really don’t use ar much

[sullen surge]

just a free full combo point builder

i liked how degenerate outlaw felt in tww

would be cool if pistol shot extended AR or something like that

that would be cool

it would still have the same feel of keeping it up but it would remove vanish from rotation, which is what they wanted no?

[plucky wasp]

but then again uptime would be mandatory and adrenaline rush wouldnt feel impactful. Having adrenaline rush up with at least 2 matches rtb and then doing blade rush with 20% dmg amp from menacing rush talent feels good

in general bladerush doing heavy dmg in dungeons feels great

[sullen surge]

yeah i like blade rush

but i liked that gameplay better tho, if you dropped AR it would suck tbh

[waxen scarab]

How does blade rush work now do we press on cd in aoe situation or when we get a certain buff?

[hasty warren]

on cd

[wintry solar]

You're on cd

[hasty warren]

you're poopoo

oh i forget

Hi pirates

[prisma vessel]

is offhand dagger still a thing?

for a dps increase

[river wing]

should be a slight bonus yeh

[prisma vessel]

coool

ty

[grim spear]

not cool at all.

when you replace your early crafted main, you can’t use it in the off

a complete waste

being the only spec among the three that uses different weapons is stupid enough

and now the main hand and off hand being not interchangeable

[hasty warren]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[honest lotus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[unborn moon]

I feel like opening to a pack is a bit awkward for good resource management. I want to adrenaline rush into rtb, but always second guess how to exit stealth. Blade Furry off the rip and waste CPs? send BtE? Dispatch for Snd?

[lilac sage]

I Just started playing wow again its been since lich king but I feel like im doing something wrong I am always last on dmg meter and its like half or more of what other dps roles do I have tree set right and rotation somewhat down what am I missing?
For reference I did myth0 last night I did 17 mil vs 65 and 89mil for other 2 dps roles

[gaunt phoenix]

if you dont already have snd, then technically AR + SND just before the pull begins is what you should do

and open with bf

[gaunt phoenix]

without logs, can't really guess

with a difference that extreme could be anything

such as not tracking or maintaining blade flurry, cause that's the only way we do aoe at all

or just general gameplay stuff like not being fast enough to react on the gcd

could be mechanics and stuff are happening and you're constantly dipping out of range or focusing on something else

[lilac sage]

I thought maybe because my stats im 23 crit 12 haste 14 mast 12 vers ?

[gaunt phoenix]

you need haste, but that's not giving you 70 million dmg

everybody was weird gear right now

stats should be the last thing you blame i think

[lilac sage]

Ok

Well I guess I'll ill continue working on rotation just wanted to check cus i have 228 ilvl and figured i was messing up big somewhere considering the difference

Ty for the input

[gaunt phoenix]

it is common to record your gameplay with warcraftlogs.com

[sullen walrus]

we need to craft dagger or sword?

[gaunt phoenix]

otherwise i have no way of knowing what you are doing

[sullen walrus]

solo

or just hold sparks?

[gaunt phoenix]

your rotation could be wrong sure, but also to lose by that much you prolly aren't getting full uptime as melee

if you are sold on outlaw then you craft sword

[glass mortar]

if you craft a weapon for outlaw it would need to be a slow mher

^

[gaunt phoenix]

but then you lose the option to craft dagger for sin/sub

[rich moon]

WE ARE GOOD!?!?!? That explains my dungeon experience so far, then again the new DH has crazy dps

[rich moon]

Like a man!

or woman, it really depends

[outer meteor]

Quick question, i gave up on playing outlaw a couple seasons back because of how punishing it felt to play with higher latencies, with the rework is it any better?

[polar kelp]

Eh, they have huge burst every 2-3 pulls but then are flat outside of that I'm seeing. I haven't lost to one overall yet

Apparently it's not much fun either

[glass mortar]

its alot slower then it was in TWW/DF so it is def less punishing for higher latency

[rich moon]

Hey Solo, since you're here, what's the BTE bug someone mentioned yesterday?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's fixed

[outer meteor]

The apm wasnt really the issue, it was mostly reacting to procs and whatnot

[gaunt phoenix]

bte had a chance to consume supercharger twice

[glass mortar]

well the apm was largely because you had a 0.8s gcd permanently

[rich moon]

you know? I love that we're flat damage, what's even a cd?

[glass mortar]

now you have a 1.0s gcd with a 0.8s gcd for ~1/3rd of the rotation

during that window you still need to react decently fast

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is still reactionary and not scripted at all

[glass mortar]

much less so then crackshot tho

[rich moon]

SO I WAS NOT CRAZY

[polar kelp]

When people ask about my cds, I just mention cloak+vanish+evasion lol. Those are my big CDs

[rich moon]

I knew at times both my blue combo points disappeared at the same time

[outer meteor]

Maybe its time to run it back then

Cus i remember enjoying it quite a lot

[rich moon]

yeah, my cds are defensive

[gaunt phoenix]

blade flurry the best cd, it does so much dmg

[rich moon]

"blow cds guys", "casts KIR with one of a kind just to flex"

[polar kelp]

But we can also start weaving in feint again once enough haste is reached so....don't even need them yet really lol

[rich moon]

50% on my dps on dungeons, broken af clearly

[copper radish]

Time for a blizzard nerf hammer

[polar kelp]

Honestly this is the best outlaw has ever been, strictly because we can mog our stupid dagger offhand to be something cool now

[rich moon]

*reduced to 5 targets again

speaking of one of a kind, should I roll double trouble without loaded dice?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[polar kelp]

Only if it's expired, you even KiR it

2+ is a win, get rid of 1

[rich moon]

I say this as one of the few that sincerely liked the Upper handed iteration of outlaw, it feels so much better now not having to depend on stealth

Got it, so I roll only if it's expiring or one of a kind

if I got loaded dice I do reroll double trouble, right?

[polar kelp]

So I was excited about being able to use vanish to dodge mechanics again.....but so far almost every targeted big ability in these dungeons cannot be dodged by vanish lol, I've been trying

[polar kelp]

Ya

[rich moon]

big dino in blinding valley can be dodged by vanish, although you won't clear plants

[gaunt phoenix]

eh, only if loaded dice is about to expire/be recasted

[scarlet drum]

So the aoe was a bug?

[gaunt phoenix]

just flatly rerolling any double trouble with loaded dice active just seems to increase your range of RNG with no actual dps difference

which is bad

[rich moon]

yes, it was supposed to be removed on prepatch with the updates to the tree

and they removed it form the tooltip of the talent but the effect was still there... until they hotfixed it

[river wing]

actually
do remind me
is there another DPS who has no AoE hard CC? I think DH lost theirs at Midnight

[rich moon]

which is sad

[rich moon]

mage I think

[river wing]

mage has gravity lapse and DB (well, OR, but the point stands)

[glass mortar]

dh definitly still has theirs

chaos nova right in the class tree

[river wing]

oh ok

[glass mortar]

pretty sure rogue is the only class in the game without one

[rich moon]

priest?

[glass mortar]

fear

[river wing]

mental scream

[rich moon]

true

[river wing]

or w/e it's called

it's not very convenient sure, but it's there

[rich moon]

is gorefiend grasp in general dk tree?

[glass mortar]

grasp is gone isnt it

[river wing]

grasp is gone yeh

[hasty warren]

bdk only

[rich moon]

Got a feeling Blood still has it, I think I saw it on my dk

[river wing]

but DK has their blizzard thingy

that is basically a blind

mass disorient

[rich moon]

oh right, in a cone

[hasty warren]

the mass blind cone y

[river wing]

yeah so kinda shitty but still, there

[hasty warren]

good stop

low cd

[rich moon]

yeah, I give up, can't think of a class without aoe cc

except us

[river wing]

well you can now :)

[hasty warren]

we have aoe blind

[river wing]

not anymore

[hasty warren]

y do

[rich moon]

not anymore we don't

[hasty warren]

it's baseline aoe now bit the tooltip saids it's mono

[glass mortar]

no its gone

its been fixed for 2 days now?

[low glade]

sub still has dance, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap

i guess it's balanced

[river wing]

p sure cheap shot is now on CD

[hasty warren]

huh

[river wing]

isn't it?

[low glade]

nah

[glass mortar]

it was bugfixed 2 nights ago

[hasty warren]

realy ?

[glass mortar]

🙂

yes

rogue has no aoe stops, which makes sense when u consider it also has little if any dungeon utility and is still considered by many to be the cc class in pvp

[river wing]

u lied to me brudda
it is on a 12 sec CD, you can talent in Sub to have 1 more free CS before it uses up the charge

[hasty warren]

glad i'm not maining this shit anymore

[glass mortar]

[rich moon]

the things we pay for having shroud, and evne shroud is not that useful anymore

[hasty warren]

just make rogue good to play pls

[rich moon]

I mean, it feels good to play atm

[glass mortar]

cant remember the last time i pressed shroud in relevant content

[hasty warren]

in a group I mean

[glass mortar]

wouldnt call it serious utility since BfA tbh that was the last time i recall, altho it was in one mdi in df iirc

[river wing]

TWW S3 legit had maybe one skip that nobody used anyway

[rich moon]

yeah

[sullen walrus]

guys, which weapon u crafted? sword/axe/fist?

[hasty warren]

there is no reason to play with a rogue

exept dps

[rich moon]

honestly, we're still paying for that mdi bfa season 4 team that used three outlaw rogues

[sullen walrus]

ROGUE IS FOR MEN!!!!

[river wing]

tbh there's no real difference

just not a dagger

[hasty warren]

we're pirates so sword

[sullen walrus]

and whiich embelishment?

[river wing]

void was recommended IIRC

[rich moon]

aye

[hasty warren]

I think it's in the fas

faq

[river wing]

they legit started to change the dungeon design around that case
more truesight, more required count

[rich moon]

if you want to craft fist weapon go play monk >:v

[rich moon]

and nerfed blade flurry

They made an example out of us

(yes, I know they capped 90% of aoe on S1 shadowlands but quickly reverted most of them)

[low glade]

https://x.com/skillcapped/status/1973429438240149998

Skill Capped (@skillcapped)

Cheap Shot now has a 12 second cooldown.

X · Oct 1, 2025, 4:46 PM

you're right

damn

i apologize for misinforming you

[river wing]

meanwhile this exists :)

[hasty warren]

cheap shot is wait better to us now imo without the sub window

[rich moon]

I agree with that, it feels better when you're not losing a bte chance for using cc

opportunity cost is lower now

[fickle relic]

why is fatebound better than trickster all of a sudden?

[low glade]

number bigger

that's literally it

big number = good

[fickle relic]

but what changed?

[low glade]

rogue feels like such a chud class rn ngl

[glass mortar]

it was always better in midnight

trickster was only a thing for prepatch

the extra talents were better for it

[low glade]

i will be playing dk going forward

it was a pleasure

[hasty warren]

fb buff and ks was nerfed, also triks changes don't catch fb ones

[fickle relic]

oh i can already imagine how in a month they'll destroy fatebound again and trickster will be better in all forms of content

[river wing]

for better or for worse, I am stuck with this class
and Arms War but that has its own problems rn

[low glade]

"own problems"

arms is down horrendous

might be one of the worst specs in the game atm

[hasty warren]

arms is still a spec ?

thought it's a meme

[river wing]

yes but it's called legs now because you'd better run from any encounter

[low glade]

uhdk is actually so fun

plus riders is good

they're eating great

[hasty warren]

furry looks ok now

[river wing]

personally I hate anything that has pets or summons integral to gameplay
so with WoW's obsession with such things, my potential class list is already cut in half

[hardy vault]

that means no hunter, warlock, and uhdk right?

or am i mising anything

[hasty warren]

mage too

priest

[hardy vault]

doesnt mindbender just spawn passively when you press cd

[hasty warren]

hmm maybe

havent read the changes

but it's still a summon

[junior folio]

No windwalker either

[river wing]

no hunter
no warlock
no DK in general because they all summon ghouls anyway
previously no WW monk but apparently they deleted the zoo from their kit

[junior folio]

Depends if you play conduit right

[river wing]

ye

[hasty warren]

aug summon dragons

[river wing]

can't recall if Druid still summons treants post-Midnight

[hasty warren]

y

[junior folio]

Feral is top dawg

[rich moon]

damn, you're a lover of classes blizzard ahtes

[river wing]

yeah, unfortunately

[hasty warren]

sham have elems

[rich moon]

cat*

[hasty warren]

and ancestors

[river wing]

(legit praying for FFXIV to unfuck itself, I loved like a third of the jobs and it had the only summon I like, your edgy shadow self)

WoW-wise, it's almost entirely Warr and Rogue for me lmao

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[dreamy pecan]

Bro, what's going on with this AH filter?!

[hasty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1422618498991132914/image-7.gif

[hasty warren]

little indie familial company

[dreamy pecan]

pls understand

[rich moon]

we were bottom of the barrel so long people still think that way?

[tropic zephyr]

Green opinion

[hasty warren]

junk

[pastel cedar]

Junk

[thin fiber]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[fickle relic]

is trickster worth it for aoe at least?

[timid portal]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt phoenix]

Fatebound is still ahead

[fickle relic]

that's insane

[pastel cedar]

Outlaw better ST than sub?

[mystic berry]

Trickster loses just by having ks be mandatory

[pastel cedar]

Oh boy we eating good

[mystic berry]

Sub falls off a cliff after the first two minutes

So all it takes is time I guess

[pastel cedar]

I think every boss this tier has some short of adds or cleave

Not sure if any are pure ST

[craggy quiver]

Turned my rogue back into a panda

[mystic berry]

Windrunner last boss?

[pastel cedar]

Talking about raid

[mystic berry]

There are some

oh

Yeah

[viral ruin]

!UI

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[gleaming reef]

As :fatebound: Fatebound, with stage 2+ :rtb_doubletrouble: RTB and 3 stacks of :ps: Opportunity, try not to use PS at 1 CP, just press SS instead.
This sounds like a lot but it really isn't. Basically, if you are at 1 CP and press PS, then you will get to 5 CPs every time. Being at 5 CPs is a bit inefficient as it is the lowest CPs where you should finish with Dispatch. Being at 5 CPs is unavoidable at times, but this rule attempts to get you to 6-7 CPs more often and sometimes dodges the awkward 5 CPs.
If you press SS at 1 CP and NOT :ps: Pistol shot, you will most likely get to 6 CPs and then have a better finisher with the same amount of builders used to get there, OR you get to 3 CPs and then you use :ps: Pistol Shot to get to 7 CPs without overcapping anything. It takes some getting used to but there is a noticeable gain here, you will end up at 5 CPs less often. You still don't want to overcap :ps: Opportunity so the rule is only active at 3 stacks.
Expected gain: ~1%

can i clarify this optimization thingie?

What's the diff between SS + Pistol then dispatch vs Pistol then SS then dispatch?

basically it's as good as saying don't finish at 5 cp for dispatch

[upper hawk]

it's saying try to avoid it if you can without wasting opportunity stacks

[gleaming reef]

don't understand. may as well say don't finish at 5 right?

[upper hawk]

if you pistol at 1, you get to 5 and you dispatch. so it's nto pistol + ss then dispatch

[keen belfry]

Pistol shot then SS can waste a lot of combo points

[gleaming reef]

1+4 = 5

with 1 ss

i could overcap?

[keen belfry]

What if it procs

[buoyant stratus]

Ss can give 4 cp if it procs while stage 2 rtb is active

[gleaming reef]

ah

so at 1 if I proc a 4, I can finish at 5?

[upper hawk]

but if you ss at 1 even though you have opportunity, you either get to 3 which is perfect for that opportunity. or you get to 6 and now you have 6 opportunity but a chance ot get 2cp after a 6pt dispatch

[buoyant stratus]

Yes

[gleaming reef]

I see!

okok got it

what if at 3 stacks, 1 cp, I hit SS, I get 4 or 5cp and 6 stacks of opportunity?

do I still pistol shot

before I dispatch?

[hasty warren]

un can ps

[upper hawk]

yo uwon't get that

[keen belfry]

If at 1 and you press SS and it procs you end up at 6 and finisher

[upper hawk]

this rule is only if you have 2nd level roll the bone

so extra cp

[gleaming reef]

1 cp + 1 ss = 6 cp?

[upper hawk]

yes

[keen belfry]

Mhm

[gleaming reef]

okie dokes

i get it now

[upper hawk]

if it procs an dyou're playing fatebound and you have level 2+ rtb

[gleaming reef]

so basically at 1cp if i pistol shot, I loss that "chance"

[upper hawk]

yep

[gleaming reef]

got it

now I understand

thanks man!

[upper hawk]

1cp pistol shot guarantees the annoying 5cp level and a weaker dispatch that can only return 1 cp

[gleaming reef]

yeah I see how it could compound

just ss at 1 cp

b4 deciding to pistol shot

basically that's it

but if at 3stacks

if i'm at 1cp and 6 stacks, i just pistol shot and dispatch at 5

[upper hawk]

yeah, at 6 stacks, you don't want to munch an opportunity proc

that's worse than having to do a 5cp dispatch

[gleaming reef]

roger that

[gloomy ginkgo]

Hey guys im a 628 rogue got there with sub. When i test outlaw (what i wanted to play) it feels absolutly terrible compared to s2 (skipped s3). Is that normal maybe cause of low stats or something? I got

24% crit 11% haste

[keen belfry]

its haste

[cinder relic]

The spec is also just very different now

Even ignoring haste

[keen belfry]

you need to be 20% ish, and 25% is preferred number where haste sucks after

[gloomy ginkgo]

228 i ment ofc

[keen belfry]

well yes but 11% haste u dont function for emore than 2 minutes

@gloomy ginkgo u are basically fucked until more haste, luckily other rogue specs like haste now too

[gloomy ginkgo]

Kinda felt inlove with outlaw in s2 but now its.... yeah

Sub feels good enough for now i guess 😛

[keen belfry]

hey welcome to tehc amapinions club!

new outlaw is OK its like a 5.1/10

but thats high for midnight specs

[random stirrup]

tehc amapinions

[keen belfry]

Welcome Ryldd 🍾

ryldd

wangcdmbar is good

[random stirrup]

a new addon for the list?

i might be too deep into arcui already

[keen belfry]

arcui was too much

this is all u need

wangbar
wangcdmbar
default cdm
cdm centered
no gcd swipe

[full dawn]

lookin absolutely swell my man

[tropic zephyr]

That's p good

What do you use for unit frames? Cause I was thinking of going Better CDM as I understand it has unit frame support too

[keen belfry]

unhalted

[tropic zephyr]

Idk about it but I'll check it out

[keen belfry]

i think unhalted is done by the guy who does better cdm

[silver venture]

What would u guys go for as first crafted

[cinder relic]

A weapon

A dagger if Ur committing to sub/sin or a sword/axe/mace whatever if Ur going to play outlaw

Make sure it's an agi weapon tho not int

[silver venture]

Sword it is ty

[sullen walrus]

guys, u crafted weapon or just hold sparks for start of the season?

[gaunt phoenix]

crafting right now is better for day 1 season but you will have to recraft it later

which is just gold

[tight rose]

Whats the texture on the bars?

[keen belfry]

d1

[full dawn]

make a second rogue and craft 1 of each LOL

[sullen walrus]

which embleshment?

embelishment*

[vivid vessel]

5 addons ?

I only use one noob

[upper hawk]

i use 3 noobs

[keen belfry]

yeah but a noob

ura a nobo?

[frail veldt]

whats the threshold for not using prep if adr is coming up "shortly"

like 30s?

[keen belfry]

probs longer

[gaunt phoenix]

Hunt or void is the same shit

[frail veldt]

dayum really?

I guess it makes sense

cuz preps not on cdr

[keen belfry]

isnt 30s like 4 finsihers

[frail veldt]

maybe with stage 3

[gaunt phoenix]

30-60 seems to sim the same

[frail veldt]

fasho fasho

[keen belfry]

60seconds is fine??

tf

[gaunt phoenix]

if you wont lose a cast

[frail veldt]

a cast of prep?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yep

[frail veldt]

makes sense

[keen belfry]

are we talking 30 real seconds

or outlaw seconds

[frail veldt]

wait does this apply to dslice sim too?

how "long" is the dslice sim?

[sullen walrus]

solo, but reagents for craft we can buy 3 stars? or need highest quality?

[frail veldt]

depends on the crafter

have to ask them

usually early season is 3 star everything p much

[sullen walrus]

wtf with price difference

[vivid vessel]

always been that way

[frail veldt]

wow quest writers gettin spicy

[hasty warren]

early crafting is realy expensive

[frail veldt]

@desert tendon

[hasty warren]

you mean copilote

[cinder relic]

I mean U can just wait to craft

its just m0s again next week

No rush to craft, prices will go down

[desert tendon]

hello

[frail veldt]

did you write that quest

[desert tendon]

what is that mewo

i cant tell

[frail veldt]

quest text

[desert tendon]

NDA

[hasty warren]

omg censi

[desert tendon]

i wanted to be rogue dev but i ended up being quest writter smh

[frail veldt]

yall running valeera healer I assume?

[vivid vessel]

bro this bitch perma break my stealth

i swear she is worse than brann

[frail veldt]

@gaunt phoenix for the 1cp SS rule is it a loss to follow it when you dont have stage 2+? Like could I just always play that way or should I be sending PS at 1cp when Im at stage 1

[scarlet drum]

I thought it was the eyeballs breaking my stealth all the time. Is it Valeera herself?

[vivid vessel]

idk she attack random people to me

[rancid silo]

she def broken

she tries to like feign death but the mobs still attach to her

[frail veldt]

yeah she cant vanish

which is hilarious

[glass mortar]

what would the value of playing this way at tier 1 of the buff even be

i dont think it increases ur efficiency at all

[frail veldt]

having to think less

im not wondering if theres value

i wondering if theres harm

[vivid vessel]

having to think less?

with this iteration of outlaw

im almost playing without cps rn to have something to think about

[frail veldt]

yeah im embracing the motif of midnight

[pure folio]

isnt the whole point of it to avoid using finishers at low cp

u wouldnt have the ss cp bonus

meaning youd still be low cp finishers

[frail veldt]

well if youre at 1 cp with stage 1 and you ss you either go to 2cp or to 3cp

if you go to 3cp then you can ps to get to 7

[pure folio]

hm its a good question ngl

i would figure u want to avoid ss at tier 1 as much as u can

[frail veldt]

and if you go to 2 then you can ss again and be at 3 or 4

3 is another good ps condition

[glass mortar]

u still get the bonus from fatebound

[frail veldt]

4 you either ss and STILL dont proc

and youre at 5

[glass mortar]

u go to 5 cp even at stage 1

[frail veldt]

but thats rare 3 no procs in a row

[glass mortar]

with an SS proc dont u

[frail veldt]

oooooooooh yeah

aite my maths wrong then

[glass mortar]

so regardless of if u PS or SS, you are dispatching at 5 with 1 buff

alot

[frail veldt]

so ss is either 1 or 3cp?

[frail veldt]

so then it might be neutral

thats the main thing im wondering

[glass mortar]

might lead to u casting more 5 CP dispatches tho idk

ive just been PSing

[pure folio]

^

thats how ive been doing it

[glass mortar]

if u cast too many SS while at 1 buff u run out of energy and never recover until the last titan

[gaunt phoenix]

you would have to send ps at 4cp a bit, but it's fine

[pure folio]

yea u are in energy poverty

[glass mortar]

i try to avoid pressing that button as much as possible if i dont have 2+ buffs

[frail veldt]

ah yeah true

cuz proc would be to max stacks and 4cp

so wasting 1 cp

[pure folio]

so true

[frail veldt]

aite ill just do the rule only when stage 2

[pure folio]

also i had a question bc i usually avoid on use trinkets, do we just use it with adr

or on cd

[glass mortar]

who knows but previously we've used generally on cd because you dont know when AR is going to be available or line up with an on use

with prep things get a little more nuanced then that perhaps

[gaunt phoenix]

usually trinkets are not strong enough to deliberately hold for AR every time

[glass mortar]

but that will probably depend on fight specific timers

[gaunt phoenix]

but there is a bit of leeway

[pure folio]

yea felt like my 90s trinket wasnt coming up before i got adr again

[keen belfry]

with prep + lust opener is there anyway we run an on use?

[glass mortar]

maybe if theres some janky 4m cd 30s long on use

having back to back AR doesnt exactly lend itself to on use trinkets

most arent even outlasting 1 ar right

[keen belfry]

and a crit on use seems weird in my head

[gaunt phoenix]

the best on-use, i believe, is this ranger insignia which is just damage

[pure folio]

thats the one that scales off crit right

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

guys

genuine question

how do you guys get trough like

8h of leveling

[fervent garden]

i thought i was gonna enjoy some of the leveling

i have not

[hasty locust]

https://youtu.be/MIsxXgsw06I?is=6YtEZxELr9JLfGd5

[pure folio]

do it late at night to develop into a state of lunacy and convince yourself how much you love leveling

[glass mortar]

i liked the story on my initial playthrough

[vivid vessel]

what storyu

tehre is a storyu ?

[glass mortar]

i havent gotten my second toon to 90 yet tho alt experience felt much worse so far

[vivid vessel]

i have just been clicking on stuffs

and killing things

this is my gameplay

[glass mortar]

well if ur gunna ignore the other half of the game that the questing is designed for then yea suffewr

[vivid vessel]

i have a arrow in the middle of my screen

[glass mortar]

u deserve to

[vivid vessel]

and i just follow it

[pure folio]

Change of scenery tends to help though, dont have to always do the most efficient thing

[glass mortar]

enjoy ur unpaid 24 hours of labor leveling 5 rogues

[fervent garden]

i thnk im gonna do every delve on t3 that i havent done yet. i think i have like 8 to do. maybe get some exp quick that way

[glass mortar]

😠

[vivid vessel]

fortunally my guild is taking it chill this tier

so only 2

for next tiers

[fluid iron]

do it with 4 other people and just banter the entire night

[vivid vessel]

i will just pay boots

boosts

i might actually pay boosts for my second rogue

if i find that

[glass mortar]

boosts r only gunna be to 80 bozo until later in the expac

[frail veldt]

I feel like theres some awkward moments with the new rtb + kir. Like if I natty roll a 3 buff and I have KiR ready but adr is coming up in like 10-20 seconds. If I KiR that 3 buff then my LD is going to drop or im going to have to LD roll over a 3 buff at like 15 seconds remaining

[glass mortar]

oh u mean actual leveling boosts

[vivid vessel]

ye bro for sure

[glass mortar]

im sure someone will find a good area soon

[frail veldt]

do I just waste my LD? or do I delay my adr? or like what

[vivid vessel]

first time or what

[glass mortar]

i thought u meant blizzard boosts

from the store

not having people power level u ingame

[random stirrup]

last i checked it was 1m and they make you play the dungeons

scam central

[glass mortar]

i feel any method rn is gunna be scammy because theres just no efficient way to do it

[frail veldt]

like 5 sessions while watching a show on the other screen haha

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

even dungeon spam didnt feel much better then dungeons + questing on my alt

[vivid vessel]

i mean i did that

[glass mortar]

unfort

[vivid vessel]

but i litteraly finished

breaking bad

now idk what to do

[frail veldt]

in 8 hours?

I dont think that maths

[vivid vessel]

no but

[frail veldt]

have you finished knight of the seven kingdoms?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[frail veldt]

I stopped watching pluribus

[random stirrup]

we rewatched arrested development

[frail veldt]

it got boring to me

[vivid vessel]

i mean pluribus is good

[frail veldt]

oooo arrested development

[random stirrup]

good times

[frail veldt]

thats a great one

[vivid vessel]

but that was 4 weeks ago

[fervent garden]

pluribus gets better buts its still boring

[gaunt phoenix]

for now you just let LD go

[frail veldt]

could rewatch something like the first 4 seasons of community

[keen belfry]

21% haste with a flask

nbd

[vivid vessel]

whats that

[frail veldt]

kk thats kinda what I was figuring

[glass mortar]

i started the chair company the other day

[vivid vessel]

i have one question

[frail veldt]

im assuming theres some threshold of LD rolling over a 3 buff

[vivid vessel]

is it like a

tv show

[random stirrup]

best comedy show ever

[glass mortar]

and im still finishing up dandadan

[frail veldt]

like 5-10 seconds

[vivid vessel]

or a real show

[frail veldt]

instead of losing it

[vivid vessel]

i hate tv shows

[sweet tartan]

Sorry for the off topic question but: Does anyone know how to either move or remove this icon. It's for important debuffs. I think it's part of the base game but may be part of bigwigs. Either way I can't for the life of me find where to change it in either edit mode or the bigwig options.

[vivid vessel]

what i mean by tv shows is a show where every episode is its own story

you know

[frail veldt]

probably edit mode

[vivid vessel]

like when you watch something like breaking bad its jsut a long movie

[frail veldt]

oh its on the nameplate

[vivid vessel]

and then you have like

all the cops tv shows and shit

where its one episode one crime

etc

you get me

[random stirrup]

arrested development is very solidly a comedy and not serious, but it does have overarching plotlines

[vivid vessel]

like the flash and shit

[random stirrup]

every episode is not an isolated story

[pure folio]

You can get ADR back up depending on when you KiRd the buff, so its like ur not really wasting a LD from what i tested

[vivid vessel]

i hate these things

[sweet tartan]

Nah it just looks that way. And if its in edit mode I cant find it

[vivid vessel]

ok but it kinda is ?

right

[frail veldt]

thtas called an anthology

[upper hawk]

NCISVUPD Cincinnati

[vivid vessel]

like i can tell from the cover it looks like something like that

[frail veldt]

something like "love death and robots"

or black mirror

[vivid vessel]

nah

thats totally different

i mean something like a crime show

or the flash

or supergirl or whatever

these kind of tv shows

where every episode

[frail veldt]

like scrubs?

[vivid vessel]

is a mini story

[frail veldt]

or house

[random stirrup]

i know what u mean

[frail veldt]

go watch house

[jolly geyser]

house? but not really

[random stirrup]

arrested development is not like that

[frail veldt]

10/10 show

[vivid vessel]

like supernatural

[frail veldt]

arrested development is almost like that

its like halfway

[vivid vessel]

all these shows

[frail veldt]

kinda like parks and rec

[vivid vessel]

you get me

[frail veldt]

or the office

yes I get you

theyre called sitcoms

haha

[glass mortar]

u mean like a sitcom

[frail veldt]

kinda

[vivid vessel]

maybe

idk

[frail veldt]

like friends

[glass mortar]

oh god finally someone said it

[frail veldt]

theyre great shows for the background

[vivid vessel]

but no

[frail veldt]

cuz theres not really an overarching story

[glass mortar]

like every episode generally is a self contained story but there are plot threads that "advance" over the series

generally very slowly

[vivid vessel]

flash isnt a sitcom no ?

[frail veldt]

I mean it kinda is

[vivid vessel]

isnt a sitcom a comedy

[random stirrup]

yes sitcom is wrong term i think

[frail veldt]

yes technically

situational comedy I think its short for?

like curb your enthusiasm

or always sunny

[vivid vessel]

ok well tghats not what im talking about tho

but to me

[frail veldt]

so then like house

[vivid vessel]

its a tv show

like

actual tv show

for tv

[frail veldt]

or "the pitt"

or bones

or fringe

[vivid vessel]

its meant for people that dont actually watch every episode

[random stirrup]

it's generally called a procedural i think

[vivid vessel]

they get home from work late

[frail veldt]

yes

bones

[vivid vessel]

and watch every other day

[frail veldt]

fringe

the pitt

ER

[vivid vessel]

and they can follow

so its a TV SHOW

and then there is real shows

[frail veldt]

yes I am giving you some

[vivid vessel]

like game of thrones and shit

that arent made for tv

so idk

thats it for me

a tv show

thats the name

[glass mortar]

thats weird cause i definitly watched all of GoT on my TV, as it came out live, on the TV, with everybody else watching it on the tv

[random stirrup]

arrested development has a far more continuous narrative and long-form buildup/payoffs than a procedural

though I do like procedurals

[frail veldt]

got is def an overarching story kinda show

so @vivid vessel like law and order?

[vivid vessel]

what

is that even possible

im talking about live tv

channels

[frail veldt]

I think theyre called procedural

[glass mortar]

yes

[frail veldt]

oh

[glass mortar]

GoT came out

[frail veldt]

you want LIVE tv

[glass mortar]

live on TV channels

[frail veldt]

like cops

[glass mortar]

back in the day

[frail veldt]

or like my strange addiction?

or dirty jobs

[vivid vessel]

i mean got was too big probably so maybe bad example

[glass mortar]

u know TV existed before streaming services right

[vivid vessel]

but you definitly get me weran

[glass mortar]

i get the idea ur saying yea

[frail veldt]

have you watched "dirty jobs"

[vivid vessel]

there are shows that are meant for tv watching

[glass mortar]

i dont know the specific term or if there even is one

[vivid vessel]

and there are shows that are meant for binge watching

im a binge watcher

[glass mortar]

i know romcoms tend to use the type of story ur talking about

[vivid vessel]

i hate tv shows

[glass mortar]

almost all of them

[frail veldt]

episodic television is what google is telling me

what about deadliest catch

[jolly geyser]

also funny these days movies gotta explain what is happening again and again cause people cant follow

[glass mortar]

TiL rick and morty is considered a sitcom

[frail veldt]

you could binge cops until this expac is over

theres so many episodes

[glass mortar]

i guess it makes sense

[vivid vessel]

The name of this thing tells me it's exactly what I don't wanna watch no?

[frail veldt]

wdym

do you want a story or not

[vivid vessel]

You can't tell me a show called cops isn't a show about cops where every episode is a single crime

[frail veldt]

or do you want random live episodes that have no overall plot

[vivid vessel]

No I told you I hate tv shows

I want real series

[frail veldt]

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[vivid vessel]

For streaming

[frail veldt]

I thought you were saying the opposite

so you want like breaking bad?

[vivid vessel]

Bro mewo you just aren't reading me

Yes ?

[glass mortar]

he wants the GoTs and the breaking bads

[frail veldt]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[jolly geyser]

better call saul then

[vivid vessel]

Is this guy trolling me

[frail veldt]

I thought you were totally saying you wanted the binge shows that you can not pay attention to

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

altered carbon is kinda decent

[glass mortar]

get ragebaited by mewo zac

classic zac behavior

[jolly geyser]

if you just watched BB

[frail veldt]

its entertaining enough

you might like it

[glass mortar]

watch fallout if u like the flavor

[vivid vessel]

I think I watched that

[frail veldt]

gives similar scifi vibes to silo in a way

[vivid vessel]

I don't remember

[glass mortar]

im doing the chair company rn seems interesting

[frail veldt]

chair company lost me

[glass mortar]

altered carbon, at least s1 i liked as well

[vivid vessel]

True I need to watch s2

[frail veldt]

I liked s1 the most

[jolly geyser]

Fargo is good

[frail veldt]

it def went a bit downhill

ooo yeah fargo

[glass mortar]

im 3 episodes into fallout its good

[hollow temple]

Havent played a while. Now that we dont have Class WAs anymore what do we use as an alternative?

[glass mortar]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[glass mortar]

whatever u can scrabble together

[hollow temple]

uff

[vivid vessel]

Can't wait to share my UI

[jolly geyser]

also people have profiles you can try

[vivid vessel]

I'm level 85

[undone notch]

AoE blind got patched pain

[vivid vessel]

Ye rogue had too much utility

[undone notch]

BTW are we back on supercharger for Midnight?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[undone notch]

Yoooo

[hollow temple]

any profiles for MSUF?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

gotta make your own shit now

also unhalted unit frames is good

[hasty warren]

it's realy similar to sfu if u were using it

[hollow temple]

i used Quazii a while

after giving up ElvUI long ago

and then went back to default UI in TWW

[prisma heron]

Yeah I downloaded the addons on the pin message snd my UI was a mess lol

[keen belfry]

just download bettercooldownmanager

if you want the most plug and play

[gaunt phoenix]

wang

[frail veldt]

wang

[gaunt phoenix]

where is wangbar2

[frail veldt]

I want wang everything

[pure folio]

missed opportunity to promote wangbar

[frail veldt]

wangcdm

wanguf

[pure folio]

wangauras

[frail veldt]

WANGAURAS

[keen belfry]

wangcdmbar will come out soon ish

needs to be most plug and play

[glass mortar]

omniwang

[keen belfry]

/wangcdm

[glass mortar]

bigwigs

big

nvm

[soft abyss]

bigwang

[glass mortar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/srt2ykhe7i

@vivid vessel ????

what the helly

did u code this expac

[desert tendon]

I Just came back

And read

"Game of throne was not made for TV"

[vivid vessel]

just read more to understand

and yes it wasnt

actual tv shows are made so that you can miss episodes

and it doesnt matter

[frail veldt]

eh kinda

there were some dramas on tv that you couoldnt miss episodes

like "heroes"

that would be a tragic missed episode

[desert tendon]

Missing an ep of desesperate housewives

[glass mortar]

theres always been a mix of both

so i dont agree rlly at all with using "tv shows" as a classification for what zac was trying to say

but i get what he was trying to say

[vivid vessel]

ok but i agree with myself ?

so

what you gonna do about it bud

[glass mortar]

keep recommending u shit u wont enjoy because ur methodology for labeling these things is silly

uwu

[keen belfry]

thoughts???

ignoring m real code work (job) to make a wow addon

when will u guys pay me

[vivid vessel]

missing borders bro

[keen belfry]

is taht easy to add

[vivid vessel]

fuck if i know

[keen belfry]

cause i would like to do that

[frail veldt]

but youre on the clock so youre kinda getting paid to make a wow addon rn

[glass mortar]

getting paid to improve his UI for all our benifits

thats our wang

🫡

[frail veldt]

in wang we trust

[vivid vessel]

!wang

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[desert tendon]

I ll never pay you nor install wangbar

[vivid vessel]

bro im going crazy or

[frail veldt]

yes

[vivid vessel]

i swear cps are so slow

[desert tendon]

I m gatekeeping u

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

[frail veldt]

they are

I think theyre bugged

esp the 2nd hit of ss

[fathom bramble]

2nd hit of ss is bugged yeah

Or they want it to be delayed for some reason and did this with intent ?

[vivid vessel]

i mean

there is no way

its legit

500ms late

or smth

idk

its

too slow

way too slow

[fathom bramble]

The delay is somewhat inconsistent and can be effected by lag

I don’t think it is typically 500ms

Or did it get worse this morning

I haven’t logged in

[vivid vessel]

idk

[frail veldt]

it feels the same

[cinder relic]

Same

[frail veldt]

yep

[vivid vessel]

its absolutely disgusting tho ?

[frail veldt]

I mean ive always played with blizz default cps

which have an animation anyway

so its not remarkably worse than that

but its pretty noticeable

[vivid vessel]

idk i cant playu with this shit

im ngl

why did they have to break that

after 10 years fo the game

who tf kind of dev

get paid

to break the game

every patch

[frail veldt]

hahahahaha

[glass mortar]

what if

the CP delay scales with haste

🤔

try getting better gear or

[fathom bramble]

idk I'm more confused than anything else

why would they even touch sinister strike in a way that could do this by accident

and why would they ever do it on purpose

I don't think it's unplayable though since you still know when SS is a double hit immediately

it's just a bit janky for no reason

[vivid vessel]

i cant have a sound

on that tho

its unplayable

cancer in my asshole

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel is drop shadow a shared media thing? i know it just existed in WAs

[vivid vessel]

idk

[keen belfry]

why

[frail veldt]

it could be like an animation thing I wonder

or like some internal tick rate of procs

idk

its def bizarre

feels like something unlikely to get fixed anytime soon haha

[fathom bramble]

well they changed it from granting all combo points upfront to tying it to the actual hit of SS

[glass mortar]

idk the mistake of rogues having a singular aoe stop got fixed week 1 of this expac

[fathom bramble]

and the 2nd hit of SS has variance in when it is actually applied by the game

[glass mortar]

surely they could fix something like this in a reasonable time frame

[frail veldt]

or did the second hit used to be faster?

[fathom bramble]

which of course delays the 2nd combo points some variable amount

[vivid vessel]

bro

they just make the game worse on purpose

[fathom bramble]

the 2nd hit is approximately the same speed it has always been

[frail veldt]

iiiinteresting

[vivid vessel]

i cant prove why yet

but they do

[fathom bramble]

this is what made deal fate annoying for us since the 2nd hit could give a combo point on hit

[vivid vessel]

there is something behind it

[frail veldt]

I see

[fathom bramble]

or seal fate

[frail veldt]

yeah wonder why they changed it

[fathom bramble]

whatever it was when it was in the neutral tree

[vivid vessel]

cause they are clueless bro

[frail veldt]

so then this might actually be on purpose

[vivid vessel]

we get a new dev

every week

that wanna redo everything

[frail veldt]

and they just dont care that it tilts zac

[vivid vessel]

from the ground up

cause he think

he is smarter

[frail veldt]

or even better, they like that it tilts zac

[vivid vessel]

than the older devs