whatever outlaws identity is it feels like a more stripped down version than we had before
#outlaw
frail veldt
wintry phoenix
I'm not a huge fan of outlaw's current theme either, but it's undeniable the theme is reasonably well defined
past falcon
lord of the rings online brother
pure folio
awang, does ur addon fix the cp delay
keen belfry
ofc riddict plays lotr online
frail veldt
yeah wtf is up with the cp delay of the default cps
past falcon
LMFAO
keen belfry
awang, does ur addon fix the cp delay
i think so
glass mortar
its not like they added identity in midnight
Wdym we got cowboy shit added in
past falcon
their studio was 30 mins from where i grew up ok
glass mortar
With no explanation
frail veldt
Wdym we got cowboy shit added in
did they actually add stuff?
keen belfry
riddict when picking a game:
ill pick a shit game lets do lotr online
frail veldt
we got prep
glass mortar
Bte now spawns a tumbleweed
wintry solar
tumbleweed
glass mortar
Have u not noticed
past falcon
riddict when picking a game:
ill pick a shit game lets do lotr online
i also played dungeons and dragons online.
frail veldt
I wish I could see it lol
wintry solar
tumbleweed + gravedigger is carrying the cowboy theme
glass mortar
Eeeeeer my.... highwayman? Lore
cinder relic
whatever outlaws identity is it feels like a more stripped down version than we ...
Outlaws identity before was stealth 
wintry solar
boooooo
cinder relic
I'm not a huge fan of outlaw's current theme either, but it's undeniable the the...
Extremely reasonable
wintry solar
stealth boooooo
cinder relic
outlaw was way more gunslinger in tww tho
For sure
keen belfry
sounds like we have a identity crisis
cinder relic
No?
glass mortar
What is the decently well designed theme tho I guess it doesn't play out for me
keen belfry
becoming less gunslinger and less stealth and more duelist
frail veldt
Trying to find my tumbleweed amongst the meteors raining from the sky and the giant holy lights coming off the paladin
glass mortar
How are we more about gambling then we were before
Or do we just have less gunplay
And some random new cowboy stuff
keen belfry
less BTE more dispatch
cinder relic
Do u guys think being less of a fantasy means it's "an identity crisis"
frail veldt
I guess we probably do use our gun less on average yeah
cinder relic
Like
The entire start to this convo was "rogue should be a bard because rogue identity is terrible"
keen belfry
i just feel like a wow spec when i play
past falcon
Trying to find my tumbleweed amongst the meteors raining from the sky and the gi...
i leveled a dk for the first time this weekend, that tumbleweed is a goner
keen belfry
compared to most other specs
frail veldt
i leveled a dk for the first time this weekend, that tumbleweed is a goner
Yeah other specs laughing at what our fantasy visuals are
keen belfry
we just fart out swords and pistol shots
cinder relic
On one hand, outlaw before was more gun, but outlaw before was also more stealth
wintry solar
I think the stealth was just a red herring
cinder relic
Neither of this means the class has no identity
keen belfry
i just never understood the stealth thing
likke man we prewssed one button to shoot more guns
frail veldt
I wonder where the "outlaw isn't stealth" thing came from
keen belfry
thats not stealth
frail veldt
I thought stealth was like the rogue thing
cinder relic
I wonder where the "outlaw isn't stealth" thing came from
There's a difference in "outlaw isn't stealth" and "stealth shouldn't be the centralizing force of the rotation"
frail veldt
For all 3
glass mortar
Combat was always the rogue spec most focused on the non stealth abilities
keen belfry
like imagine ur a sniper cuz u wear camo but u just spray ur shotgun everywhere
u arent a sniper
frail veldt
There's a difference in "outlaw isn't stealth" and "stealth shouldn't be the cen...
Well now it's "outlaw never stealths" so
glass mortar
It was a through line from that all the way back in vanilla even
frail veldt
We swung way past the mark though
past falcon
listen edward kenway in the hit game assassins creed black flag had stealth interactions its fine
frail veldt
We're almost not even a rogue
keen belfry
im going to name my next cat ezio auditore
frail veldt
Poisons are mostly irrelevant for us and stealth is irrelevant for us
wintry solar
listen edward kenway in the hit game assassins creed black flag had stealth inte...
and jack sparrow was stealthy for a few minutes so its also fine
cinder relic
We swung way past the mark though
Sure, that's a totally fine opinion to have
But this is very far from "rogue should become a bard because it has no identity"
Rogue has an identity
keen belfry
bard is op in league of legends so we should becoime bard imo
cinder relic
It's fairly well defined between the specs. Are there areas of improvement? Yeah ofc, but the themes of each spec are very much defined
wintry solar
bard would be a priest anyway
frail veldt
Rogue has an identity
past falcon
awang guess what else i played
wintry phoenix
Combat has always been the dextrous melee fighter who uses dirty tricks, they simply added guns and gambling on top when it was renamed to outlaw
keen belfry
wintry phoenix
frail veldt
But I think the rogue specs don't have that strong of identities
cinder relic
Combat has always been the dextrous melee fighter who uses dirty tricks, they si...
Exactly
pure folio
It is just strange to me how this spec went from completely reliant on stealth, to u can take it off your bars and you would lose next to nothing
frail veldt
Outlaw is like the LaCroix of class fantasy
past falcon
smite :3
keen belfry
u wouldnt
cinder relic
It is just strange to me how this spec went from completely reliant on stealth, ...
It's what happens in live service games
The exact inverse happened too right
keen belfry
smite :3
you cant make this shit up
do you just play the lesser version of popular games
cinder relic
The spec went from a spec that presses vanish on cd for a small bonus, to a spec entirely centralized around vanish and shadow dance
buoyant stratus
Me when i boot up smite with the boys and miss all my skillshots on hel!!!
wintry phoenix
But I think the rogue specs don't have that strong of identities
Assa: Poison master
Outlaw: Pirate swashbuckler
Subtlety: Shadow ninja
It's not that bad, could be worse
buoyant stratus
I love 3d mobas with squishy short range casters!!!
past falcon
you cant make this shit up
keen belfry
buoyant stratus
Sheee hes on tech
keen belfry
cinder relic
We used to play guan Yu support in scrims
cinder relic
And it caught on, while everybody was convinced he was bottom 3 in the game
buoyant stratus
I played a lot of hel and the vampirsm assassin i cant remember the name to save my life
frail veldt
Assa: Poison master
Outlaw: Pirate swashbuckler
Subtlety: Shadow ninja
It's not...
that identity doesnt exist for outlaw
they literally removed it
thast what were talking about haha
pure folio
Yea for sure, just i feel like a yellow warrior this season more than the rest. we dont play ks as fb and press nowhere near the same amount of btes. i liked the pew pews ;-;
severe charm
if outlaw was a swashbuckler it would be a tank
keen belfry
we are a yellow warrior
buoyant stratus
Ah kali ye
keen belfry
or warrior is a brown rogue
wintry phoenix
How does it not though, there's still a lot of pirate flavour
keen belfry
hence
frail veldt
Ur just being obtuse atp
we have less fantasy than we had in the past 4 xpacs cuz they only removed stuff
they pruned our fantasy
cinder relic
What does that have to do with anything I just said
severe charm
i feel like i'm not asking for much, when i ask for pickpocket to be relevant lol
cinder relic
i feel like i'm not asking for much, when i ask for pickpocket to be relevant lo...
It was last expansion?
frail veldt
im explaining how im not being obtuse and that our fantasy has been diminished this xpac
past falcon
I played a lot of hel and the vampirsm assassin i cant remember the name to save...
thanatos?
frail veldt
from a point of not having a strong fantasy in the firs tplace
severe charm
It was last expansion?
and now its not, again...
past falcon
ohhh queen
cinder relic
and now its not, again...
Firstly you are aware that it took like, a week or two to figure out that shit existed right
severe charm
Firstly you are aware that it took like, a week or two to figure out that shit e...
what the wax?
cinder relic
Yes
frail veldt
But yeah it could just be the intention for outlaw to not be very flashy and kind of have a more open and less defined identity
severe charm
Yes
so why can't we have another wax type thing to pickpocket, just take pickpocket away at this point, if all it gets is a couple silver
small kettle
Hey, i haven't seen what happened with the addons, can we still make visual icon based on conditions ?
cinder relic
so why can't we have another wax type thing to pickpocket, just take pickpocket ...
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT EXISTS YET!
It took a week or two to figure it out!!!
buoyant stratus
so why can't we have another wax type thing to pickpocket, just take pickpocket ...
Bro doesnt know about the wyrm dust enchants he can pick pocket off the wyrms atop harandir 🤣 (source i made it the fuck up)
untold wadi
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT EXISTS YET!
tell me the new wax now
wintry phoenix
If I wanted to play an outlaw night elf and cosplay a warden I can't because I have to take a gun out of my ass to shoot people down
untold wadi
or else
severe charm
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT EXISTS YET!
i've pickpocketed like everything, and almost all the mobs don't have pockets...
severe charm
true
frail veldt
If I wanted to play an outlaw night elf and cosplay a warden I can't because I h...
warden also doesnt dual weild afaik
wintry solar
And you've been playing?
keen belfry
lifestime supply of shit
past falcon
And you've been playing?
not in years, all my old chars got sidebarred when they merged servers iirc
wintry phoenix
warden also doesnt dual weild afaik
I think it depends on the warden in question, the ones that wield a glaive similar to Maiev's indeed don't
wintry phoenix
(Though Maiev herself is a "Rogue" in Hearthstone)
lime lake
Wardens are just rogues with a bit of magic anyway
wintry phoenix
Armoured rogues, but yes
lime lake
Nah theyre wearing a cosmetic set over their leather
fossil lintel
That's a fury warrior
random stirrup
and now its not, again...
I have good news for you, old wax is still relevant and works
So you can go pickpocket there!
ashen void
cinder relic
balmy topaz
Bit of a better one
balmy topaz
Ye imma get rid of that
frail veldt
Okay UI actually looking decent now
lot of coins youre trackin there
wooden pilot
Bit of a better one
how’d you do the BF tracker bar?
frail veldt
Although I can't track Supercharge <:NOOOO:1151933869491232948>
oh does wangbar not color cps from SC?
balmy topaz
oh does wangbar not color cps from SC?
This isn't awang bar
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
frail veldt
how are you tracking PS?
balmy topaz
frail veldt
aaah nice
balmy topaz
But I want the shotgun sound so
daring vessel
hello, does anyone know a good way of tracking the roll the bones 1-4, since blizzards one tracking system cant see it?
slow sentinel
hello, does anyone know a good way of tracking the roll the bones 1-4, since bli...
I added it to my "tracked buffs" with the built in CD manager
daring vessel
you can??
balmy topaz
Ye
slow sentinel
slow sentinel
Does anyone have a good way to track if poison isn't applied? I used to have a WA that would show up in the middle of my screen if they fell off.
balmy topaz
Does anyone have a good way to track if poison isn't applied? I used to have a W...
There is an addon
jolly geyser
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
- WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
- Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
balmy topaz
There you go
slow sentinel
Ty ty
undone notch
frail veldt
https://wago.io/p/zac_
yeah last update here was oct 2025
oh wait
I think blizz has built in sound on aura proc
but it only works for going form 0-3 stacks of Opp
not 3->6
iirc
ups
frail veldt
zac did
strong halo
you have to pay for rested Xp guides? xD
balmy topaz
yup
strong halo
makes sense why all the streamers were using it lol
random stirrup
it got leaked and spread pretty far
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> can I have ps sound proc wa?
No
frail veldt
damn
strong halo
Thats wild 35$ for an addon that used to be free basically
vivid vessel
you have to pay for rested Xp guides? xD
Idk depends who you ask
Like if you force me
Not like I would do it willingly
But if I'm forced right
Addon could end up in your dms
You never know
strong halo
im twisting your arm right now cant u feel it?
vivid vessel
ye
fossil lintel
That was a very french response
strong halo
they get around it by selling the "profile" to their addon
untold wadi
they get around it by selling the "profile" to their addon
i don't even get this, the tos also says u can't sell "addons" to ur addon
its not grey area
fathom bramble
People sure are abusing it like it is a grey area
fossil lintel
Harldan and his follow the arrow add-on was clutch on ea launch
vivid vessel
i don't even get this, the tos also says u can't sell "addons" to ur addon
its cause its not an addon to an addon
its a profile
strong halo
hey i dont make the addons, im a big hater too
fathom bramble
If blizz doesn’t stop them then it might as well be
fossil lintel
Also his 8 hour long analysis of the sunwell intro helped me be ahead of the pack
untold wadi
Harldan and his follow the arrow add-on was clutch on ea launch
harldan put me from 5-6 characters all the way to the character cap in mop remix
with his priest twink thing
leveled alts in like 40 mins
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> can I have ps sound proc wa?
https://wago.io/2O3DcTQjK i did it a long time ago
i havent looked at it again
prolly will change
frail veldt
ty ty fam
vivid vessel
i cnt
balmy topaz
WHY
gloomy chasm
Is Adrenaline Rush breaking Stealth for anyone else? It didn't do that in TWW. Did it change and I missed it?
fathom bramble
it does that while you are fatebound from the Tails coin that it fires
untold wadi
click floor/untarget anything before clicking AR in stealth
gloomy chasm
ah, makes sense, thanks. I will do that.
magic steppe
hello ,does anyone know if haranir any good dps wise ?
upper hawk
yeah, haranir demo lock
leaden sonnet
Their racial is half of dwarfs + an active spell
And historically those active spells are horrendous
So probably not
lime lake
normally i'd argue that their transmog options make them significantly better than dwarf
but with the amount of horrendous clipping they have
maybe not
fathom bramble
they also have 1% damage against abberations, beasts, and elementals so they are good sometimes
lime lake
most void things are aberrations and the lightbloom stuff are all elementals
so definitely not bad
fathom bramble
a good deal of the time you will just be half as good as tauren
fathom bramble
pandaren
outer brook
is the new xpac worth playing?
snow viper
serene urchin
anyone else digging the underhanded scoundrel strike animation
feel like im stickin em real good
gaunt phoenix
is the new xpac worth playing?
shrug
the zones were good at least
outlaw still fun (to me)
frail veldt
I do like the zones so far
gaunt phoenix
the UI situation is tolerable enough
outer brook
shrug
im honestly finding it hard to grind out a character to even get to the new xpac, just feels like the same shit on repeat for me at this point
gaunt phoenix
it's still ion's wow
cinder relic
im honestly finding it hard to grind out a character to even get to the new xpac...
That is world of warcraft
gaunt phoenix
The direction of the game hasnt radically shifted since Legion
frail veldt
im honestly finding it hard to grind out a character to even get to the new xpac...
yeah this xpac feels particularly hard because the specs didnt receive as much "exciting" stuff as they have in the past
most specs lost stuff so its not as motiviating as before to like get to try out the new things
vivid vessel
you mean every spec in the game got a downgrade
- your ui got destroyued
ye kinda hard
frail veldt
yeah
Im not like excited to get to max and get to mess with the new talents and experiment with the rotation and discover new tech etc etc
Im enjoying the zones and story though that part is def still good
but the endgame doesnt feel like it has anything special waiting for me
oblique trench
!tricks
ornate heathBOT
fossil lintel
something is off with adventurer crests
Seasonal cap was 100 last week, 200 this week, i spent my 100 last week and now i have 195
for some reason it allowed me to get the entire cap again?
frail veldt
Seasonal cap was 100 last week, 200 this week, i spent my 100 last week and now ...
you have 195 currently?
can you send pics?
fossil lintel
frail veldt
oh weird
fossil lintel
this is my monk, i upgraded my weapon
frail veldt
sounds like they coded it wrong
try spending 5
and see if it goes down
like do a little upgrade and see what happens
fossil lintel
I'm not at cap yet
fossil lintel
and last week I did spent all and did not get anything back
frail veldt
so if it does then you know its bugged
fossil lintel
why would it not lower the number?
frail veldt
its not supposed to
cuz its a seasonal cap
it should track what you have gathered
not your current amount
so if you were to spend 5 it should say 190 crests in your currency but seasonal max should still say 195
fossil lintel
season's maximum is 200, I'm at 195
frail veldt
yes but if you spend 5 crests you should STILL be at 195 for the season tracker
fossil lintel
I haven't capped it this week yet
frail veldt
im aware
fossil lintel
Oh I see
yeah, i think the season tracker works
because once i reached 100 last week and spent, i didn't get any back
doing more content
frail veldt
but you spent 100 last week right?
fossil lintel
yes
frail veldt
and you now have 195
fossil lintel
upgrading that weapon
frail veldt
so youve gathered 295 total
fossil lintel
exactly
fossil lintel
well it works within the week but not the entire season
frail veldt
season tracker is broken
its not tracking the full season
enjoy it while it lasts ig
fossil lintel
maybe that was the plan? increase the cap but let you get the entire cap every week?
when the upgrades costed a lot more
frail veldt
that would be silly
I think thats kinda against the point of a seasonal cap
which is to not overreward people who play a lot
fossil lintel
being done in 3 months was silly as well
frail veldt
and not require weekly work/chores
being done in 3 months is only true for people who play a ton
which is exactly the point
fossil lintel
No no, previous cap would have you be done with upgrade in like 3 months
if you capped every week
or rather, the previous costs
frail veldt
are you saying it should be longer or shorter
fossil lintel
I'm saying it should be shorter
frail veldt
well the thing is that would just increase the disparity between people who play a lot and people who play less
the point is to slow down the players who play the most
so they dont get huge ilvl advantages
thats the entire purpose of the system
gaunt phoenix
my world lag is quite miserable
frail veldt
damn really?
fossil lintel
same
frail veldt
mines been okay but maybe my server is less popular
oh im also on warmode
maybe thats less laggy
gaunt phoenix
voidstorm?
frail veldt
sargeras
gaunt phoenix
oh i mean the voidstorm is a zone
gaunt phoenix
gaunt phoenix
yeah the huge entangled growths making the zone is cool
zinc briar
Guys i need a class with high apm, i want to smash buttons
What should i play as alter?
zinc briar
Mmmm and melee?
eternal hound
Does anyone have a hook cursor macro
frail veldt
Mmmm and melee?
the highest apm melee are not going to be that different from eachother anymore
so fury/enhance/outlaw
leaden sonnet
Assassination is a great high apm spec
frail veldt
all pretty on par
leaden sonnet
frail veldt
outlaw is still very gcd locked
zinc briar
Mage fire is the highest?
frail veldt
once you have the haste
its just that we lost a lot of adr uptime(which reduced gcd) and lost some off gcd buttons
thats where most of our apm decrease came from
gaunt phoenix
You know the other specs dont have haste either
frail veldt
Mage fire is the highest?
fire mage seems to be the highest by a huge margin
zinc briar
Outlaw is fun when bte recover your cp and u can pium pium
Its boring not recovering bte cd when u inv
zinc briar
fire mage seems to be the highest by a huge margin
And the second?
gaunt phoenix
is most likely outlaw
frail veldt
yeah but if outlaw feels slow to you then you have no other options
there isnt anything as fast as old outlaw in the game anymore for melee specs
frail veldt
havent tried yet
desert tendon
@balmy topaz
balmy topaz
For opp procs
frail veldt
will update when I do
balmy topaz
<@168852450835562496>
balmy topaz
havent tried yet
I've tried no sound
frail veldt
hmmm
desert tendon
Wdym lunch
untold wadi
Does anyone have a hook cursor macro
/use [@cursor]Grappling Hook
frail veldt
Wdym lunch
gotta fuel up to keep the hands big
eternal hound
`/use [@cursor]Grappling Hook`
thanks
frail veldt
I would love to see zacs comments on tickets at work
frail veldt
looooooooooooool
balmy topaz
why would it not work
Are there any other ones you're messing around with?
harsh mural
just logged into my outlaw-have only ever played crackshot in df and tww
wtf happened why do i have 0 energy all the time
vivid vessel
Are there any other ones you're messing around with?
idk
i have a few things
will share soon
cinder relic
wtf happened why do i have 0 energy all the time
Low haste, no apex
harsh mural
as someone who has only played crackshot and underhanded upper hand etc, is this version fun?
lowkey questing was so snooze
wintry solar
Yeah I'm having fun
harsh mural
i think im playing it super poorly and wrong. logged in and had no idea of the changes and got hella confused instantly
harsh mural
it feels like blade flurry is falling off all the time
compared to what i remember (havent played outlaw in like 7 months tho)
also my ui is just kinda cooked now . super cool addon changes wahoo
wintry solar
It is, it's usually available again before it drops though
cinder relic
When Ur hopping pack to pack its gonna fall off
vivid vessel
what ?
frank finch
somehting is making by buffs not showup anymore
hollow creek
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
- WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
- Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
vivid vessel
@frail veldt @balmy topaz
gaunt phoenix
is the bar blade flurry?
frail veldt
<@151872253229924352> <@168852450835562496>
I want it all
glass mortar
they are like 2-3 cm too thick still i think cuh
need to squish it a bit more
looking gr8 otherwise tho
🥰
as always with zac ui
balmy topaz
<@151872253229924352> <@168852450835562496>
Show KS cast
fallow canopy
is it just me. or is outlaw extremely squishi?
glass mortar
we are squishier then we were
also just weaker, crackshot was very powerful for the type of content u have to do right now
short bursty encounters with quest mobs or low hp dungeon mobs
cinder relic
is it just me. or is outlaw extremely squishi?
Use kidney and evasion
Kidney is very op
gaunt phoenix
from like level 88 onward you are kinda squish
glass mortar
use aoe blind more, especially if u pull like 3-4 mobs without evasion up
fallow canopy
i fight like wo mobs at the same time i feel like im playing classic again with the damage im takin lol
glass mortar
u will just get autod to death
frank finch
Kidney is very op
so is cheap shot
fallow canopy
yea im start using my CC
glass mortar
ur built in sustain from vanish is gone
all ur actual self healing aside that was pretty weak
theyve never bothered to improve it
vivid vessel
is the bar blade flurry?
ye
glass mortar
this is also the content where feint is at its least effective since all the damage intake is just npcs auto attacking u to death
keen belfry
zacs ui is so dogshit
frail veldt
@vivid vessel is the PS sound effect like 400ms late for you as well?
I see it well before I hear it
soft abyss
awang does your bar have different thresholds for different specs? I remember you said something like that but couldn't find it
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> is the PS sound effect like 400ms late for you as well?
yes
no choice
its based on cp gained
and the cp is delayed
frail veldt
its based on cp gained
aaaaaaaaah
vivid vessel
:D
gaunt phoenix
ah
glass mortar
why is PS CP still delayed if PS doesnt have a travel time zac...
fathom bramble
why is the ss CP randomly delayed again after being fixed 10 years ago
some things we may never know
frail veldt
why is PS CP still delayed if PS doesnt have a travel time zac...
its from the second ss hit
wdym
oh you mean ps cp gain nvm
thought you meant the proc sound effect
fathom bramble
at least SS gives the opp stacks instantly
so you kind of know it's going to hit twice
frail veldt
anyone else have issues with the stealth buff cdm icon not working
mine just does nothing
frail veldt
lol
glass mortar
......
i landed on the tippy top of some random void mountain to tab out
tab back in and my prey target has ambushed me
ok w/e i dismount and fight him off, he teleports away
the mf left me permanently in combat with vanish on cd
well played blizzard
frail veldt
get preyed on
glass mortar
he was definitly preying on me tonight
vivid vessel
nice ui bro
balmy topaz
nice ui bro
wtf I didn't get this
lime lake
L
gaunt phoenix
i got eaten by a rando bird while afk
glass mortar
it has good taste what can u say
proven torrent
is it normal to see a sub burst around 200k in dung when i try to keep only 60k ? 
gaunt phoenix
we are pure sustain
proven torrent
it's little bit overpowered
balmy topaz
I mean it's just damage profile
proven torrent
when we can only stab around 60-70k
proven torrent
I mean each extension the same pattern in my head, i like Sub and outlaw what should i play, i see a sub make a big burst i want it and when i play sub i want to play outlaw
So the only thing that tips the balance is the most efficient in raid/mm+
but i guess i need to wait the big balance patch scheduled for March 17
proven torrent
balmy topaz
I don't think we will see much on the 17th
normal forge
i did a HC dg and did good dmg against lock n fury, but they were very close to me, i was topping
balmy topaz
The 17th balance tuining will be like the 911 for specs "arms warrior" doing negative dmg and need tuning up to compete and same for things like demo lock tuning down
wicked forge
Which dps broken rn?
balmy topaz
Which dps broken rn?
Demo lock and dk
wicked forge
Guess devs dont play rogue 
normal forge
what does c5% means?
keen belfry
c5%
balmy topaz
Around 5%
normal forge
k
balmy topaz
circa 5%
cinder relic
Guess devs dont play rogue <a:wesmart:585733831215153163>
what
normal forge
do we even care for going stealth anymore?
cinder relic
Not really
fathom bramble
no
normal forge
only thing would be using ambush, but we dont
we move faster in stealth, but i dont think there is anything else besides that to make us need to go stealth in between pulls
keen belfry
do we even care for going stealth anymore?
i do
soft abyss
@keen belfry did you implement different thresholds in your add-on? Based on spec?
fallow canopy
anyone know which of the three specs right now has the most survivablity?
lime lake
probably sub
fallow canopy
im doing hard prey hunts and taking increased damage isnt good for me lol
fallow canopy
yea its frustrating lol
frail veldt
its what blizzard wants for the spec I guess
keen belfry
<@177964030474977281> did you implement different thresholds in your add-on? Bas...
i think that was in form the start
normal forge
how is sub more tanky than us?
soft abyss
Yes but yesterday couldn't find it maybe I didn't search correctly. I LL check again ty
fallow canopy
i thought assassin might be tankier cause of all the sustain damage
lime lake
how is sub more tanky than us?
they can actually take some of the defensive talents in their spec tree
10% dr in dance and healing on finishing moves
fallow canopy
speaking of sub.
i tried to do some of those pvp quests in voidstorm
got dualed by sub rogue and lagit got two shotted
lime lake
and can play deathstalker for the better defensive talent if they really want to
fallow canopy
like it happened so fast i actually didnt understand what happened
balmy topaz
I done it as outlaw
and I swear I was healing them bro
My damage in pvp is cheeks I swear
fallow canopy
yea i tried outlaw in pvp it feels cheeks
normal forge
so much dmg u felt like healing them, lol, i liked that
fallow canopy
on the bright side though
at least in PVE they feel really good
aside from the part of being paper
prisma lantern
got dualed by sub rogue and lagit got two shotted
Sub feels illegal & degenerate in PvP right now.
I legit killed a shadow priest by accident with residual damage from Nimble while I was trying to kill the warlock standing beside him.
keen belfry
whys it called gravedigger
fallow canopy
i would play sub tbh jsut for the damage but im having WAY fmore fuyn with outlaw.
frail veldt
how is sub more tanky than us?
everything they have
that we dont
lol
they have more passive damage reduction
they have access to hero talent damage reduction on cloak and evasion
they have passive healing via vanish/dance
vivid vessel
they still will have vers
they have a talent that gives them a 20% shield
or 10%
i dont remmeber
that also heals
and its kinda mega op
in keys
vivid vessel
vers bad icky
ok i didnt know
glass mortar
@frail veldt fighting in silvermoon for like 10m with no prey proc the entire time
pull an elite boss, of course the miniboss spawns ok w/e
frail veldt
<@151872253229924352> fighting in silvermoon for like 10m with no prey proc the ...
idk what that even means ngl
Im not sure ive engaged with the prey thing yet
glass mortar
when ur using prey and actively fighting ur guy usually spawns like every ~5m
fathom bramble
I like it how being on a hunt just means attacking rares gets me killed
glass mortar
i was due for a boss spawn
glass mortar
I like it how being on a hunt just means attacking rares gets me killed
RIGHT
its gotta be on purpose
anyway i beat him and the elite at the same time w/e
frail veldt
chad
fathom bramble
best you can do is change back to singletarget blind
glass mortar
blinded them to delay for vial
fathom bramble
and fight them one at a time
green dune
so does outlaw dam kind of suck atm
glass mortar
but i wasnt aware of his game
frail veldt
best you can do is change back to singletarget blind
yeah ive been playing this for leveling
very useful
vivid vessel
this might be the worst talent gating in the entire game
devs are first time bro
glass mortar
frail veldt
so does outlaw dam kind of suck atm
its middle of the pack but can feel pretty bad with low haste values
random stirrup
devs are first time bro
hollow creek
is outlaw gonna be valid in m+ or raid ? honestly
frail veldt
valid is not a quantifiable definition
frail veldt
there will be people who play outlaw and get m+ title
frail veldt
there will be some people who play outlaw in HoF guilds
random stirrup
you can't take fast shroud or the 8% healing node on sub either
devs kinda trolling
why are these things set up this way
frail veldt
so they arent just auto baseline idk
I dont think devs have made up their mind on how talents should feel
random stirrup
seen many notes for many classes where they acknowledge choosing between damage and utility will always feel bad
vivid vessel
we got
the intern
bro
we got 0 changes
since week 1
alpha
i do not believe
we have a real dev
behind the keyboard
fallow canopy
man im geared up for outlaw
but i guess i can just use sub in the open world till outlaw gets some kinda buff
prisma lantern
Outlaw is objectively fine. More than fine. Arguably better in a lot of end game content than Sub.
Sub in open world content has always been goated with on demand damage.
fathom bramble
is there a spec where that is actually true ?
haughty wigeon
no
lime lake
but i guess i can just use sub in the open world till outlaw gets some kinda buf...
if you're absolutely desperate for additional survivability, this drops from rares in voidstorm
fallow canopy
might need to grab that. also i love getting versiility on eveyr piece of gear
gaunt phoenix
Wangbar has 2 thousand downloads
fathom bramble
only 2 thousand despite being better than every other resource tracker
we need more wang promotion
random stirrup
i show off my wang to anyone who will pay attention
misty bridge
What is the recommended order of void research for the trinket, Frequency/duration/intensity? or does it really matter?
rocky kiln
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
- WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
- Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
dense bridge
why come we take shiv
rocky kiln
why is wangbar better than sensei
dense bridge
is there a spec where that is actually true ?
some arms builds only take 3/4 of their apex talents
leaden sonnet
why come we take shiv
If you want to remove an enrage buff sometime
untold wadi
random stirrup
dense bridge
clean it up jannies
untold wadi
free?!
jolly geyser
real!
frail veldt
@cinder relic
vivid vessel
bro pinged guy
frail veldt
cant he ban
vivid vessel
@patent lion
vivid vessel
cant he ban
ok but he might be the least reactive person ever to pings
cinder relic
?
frail veldt
ban above
cinder relic
!ban @potent quail
cinder relic
We fuckin with the M0 fit
frail veldt
are those daggers or swords?
cinder relic
swords
frail veldt
sick
cinder relic
vivid vessel
guy first on the scene
gg
cinder relic
Soul touched blade
vivid vessel
I was making food
noob
limpid isle
We fuckin with the M0 fit
clean mog G. 
keen belfry
cookie\
cinder relic
clean mog G. <:pepe_chad:1022918986737926225>
tyty
keen belfry
@vivid vessel yo cuh
hd icons
do they have devourer stuff
u should know
dont say idk cuh
keen belfry
ok i should get again ugh
vivid vessel
but then i have a script to put a skin on them
keen belfry
ofc u do
neon rapids
is there a blade flurry range indicator of how many targets in range in midnight?
mystic berry
Been doing well on m0 but damn my energy just fucks off from time to time
plain stirrup
yea i hope it gets better as we get more haste
any idea how to play deadly pursuit if it pops mid fight?
frail veldt
is it possible to have a target/focus castbar like we could before with a WA?
vivid vessel
prolly but
gaunt phoenix
any idea how to play deadly pursuit if it pops mid fight?
it doesnt change rotation
vivid vessel
use the ones from your unit frames addons
frail veldt
I dont currently use a unit frame addon
frail veldt
so I guess I need to
vivid vessel
any weak aura that worked before wont
i think the weak aura fork i gave you
has enough stuffs updated to work around these kind of secrets
but idk
prolly just use a unit frmae addon
like a normal person
frail veldt
I dont even use a fork I just fixed it manually lol
frail veldt
oh theres an actual fork
vivid vessel
use the fork
frail veldt
that has updates??
frail veldt
oh shit
vivid vessel
<@151872253229924352> <@168852450835562496>
this is all weak aura mewo
other than the buffs
frail veldt
yeah I figured
vivid vessel
cause you cant track buffs other than on cdm
frail veldt
just didnt know if you had done a bunch of updates manually or not
frail veldt
yeah makes sense
vivid vessel
i did have to update some weak aura stuffs and figure some things out
but other than that
im using mostly weka auras there
summer nimbus
i might be braindamaged for asking this but we dont ar after prep when the ar duration is still active right
frail veldt
correct
frail veldt
i did have to update some weak aura stuffs and figure some things out
yeah I figure just for main stuff itll be useful
ill follow the project see what its supporting
im sure itll improve too
summer nimbus
bro i feel so lost without weakauras
frail veldt
Sick ty
Yeah I'd rather just stick with weak aura system cuz it's easier to go between characters with like a baseline setup
frail veldt
I just miss dynamic groups and anchors and stuff
summer nimbus
what are u guys talking about regarding weak auras is there some workaround
frail veldt
not in like a way that gets passed addon limitations
more so in a way that if youre already familiar with how was work its useful to have it as a tool for making stuff
keen belfry
im unsure if my blind is aoe anymore
keen belfry
yeahhh
glass mortar
oh god it isnt
glass mortar
only class in the game with zero aoe stops
gaunt phoenix
why would you ever take it over gouge
it becomes the same cd as gouge
so then why would you take gouge
frail veldt
it becomes the same cd as gouge
yeah but then you dont have gouge
gaunt phoenix
cause gouge isnt free
gaunt phoenix
huge
frail veldt
no with gouge u have both
yeah thats what im sayin
gaunt phoenix
i dont want to repost the builds
vivid vessel
anyway
rogue is
going from the worse utility spec in the game
to
the worse utility spec in the game
glass mortar
u literally have nothing for dungeons anymore
glass mortar
pretty funny
frail veldt
wait is rogue the only class that doesnt have an aoe cc?
frail veldt
Unless you count blind
bro we just lost that
glass mortar
blind isnt aoe anymore
glass mortar
thank god we mamaged to get this hotfixed on a tuesday
vapid sundial
Every rogue change upsets me More
glass mortar
just trying to find any scrap of uniqueness from the thrashing they gave this class
thought we had actually gained a tiny bit of something with a low cd aoe stop
our only aoe stop
cc class btw
vivid vessel
wait is rogue the only class that doesnt have an aoe cc?
its also one of the only spec without a raid buffs for keys
haughty moat
yeah that was a really important fix
vivid vessel
or straight up any utility for your grp
or well yourself i guess
the only other class without a raid buff for keys would be paladin
frail veldt
you also have lay on hands
vivid vessel
paladin compensate
frail veldt
and bop
frail veldt
utility rofl yeah
vivid vessel
im just talking raid buff
frail veldt
dispel disease
glass mortar
they have better atro and brez
frail veldt
I consider brez a pseudo raid buff tbh
vivid vessel
we are also squishy now !
:D
what could go wrong guys
oh and bf cleave for 30%
good expac incoming
dw about it guys
tuning will save us this time
right
:D
peak dock
We should shutdown outlaw until we get buffs.
Are we that bad? 👀
vivid vessel
i mean rogue has never been this bad lol idk how people ccan be hyped by this class
the class get worse every expac lol
actual true btw
cinder relic
Cuz its fun :D